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Speaker 1: But o jo the ball game. For a moment, we
Speaker 1: felt like the Dolphins could pull the upset. But two
Speaker 1: very very critical mistakes, Ojo, the Dolphins are not ozering.
Speaker 1: Three Buffalo Bills run their perfect keep their record perfect
Speaker 1: thanks to a three and oh oh Joe I tweeted this,
Speaker 1: I don't know why I d line would try to
Speaker 1: block the punt, o Jo. You had just scored offensively,
Speaker 1: you had just stopped them three and out defensively, You're
Speaker 1: about to get the football back. Why and two? I
Speaker 1: don't know what tools, but go ahead take it away?
Speaker 1: O Yo, what what would you see?
Speaker 2: Listen?
Speaker 3: We went out down.
Speaker 4: We played a good a good first half. We played
Speaker 4: a very good first half. We played competitive football as
Speaker 4: opposed to everybody else. You know, Oh, we playing the
Speaker 4: Buffalo Bills. The Buffalo Bills, they finna run us out
Speaker 4: of the stadium. We can rempeded. We played good football
Speaker 4: on both sides of the ball. No turnovers, uh no
Speaker 4: turnovers in the first half?
Speaker 1: True? Correct? Yes? None? None? Good good, good half were.
Speaker 4: Still in the game all the time, Execute and play
Speaker 4: good defense.
Speaker 3: No mistakes when you know you have a team that's
Speaker 3: better than you.
Speaker 4: You're already owing to When you know you have a
Speaker 4: team that's better than you.
Speaker 3: You can't have any mental mistakes. Brooks, you got to
Speaker 3: see on your chest.
Speaker 2: It was third down.
Speaker 3: You drop Josh Allen, You tackle Josh all the way.
Speaker 1: Down to the floor.
Speaker 3: What we doing? You gave him another set of downs
Speaker 3: and another off.
Speaker 1: Of the series.
Speaker 4: Yep, Siegler de tackle. You kill a center of the guard,
Speaker 4: whoever was a dude on the outside, get with a
Speaker 4: free run. Ain't blocking the punt. I appreciate your effort.
Speaker 4: I appreciate your effort, but trying. Come on, you know
Speaker 4: you ain't finna gift to that.
Speaker 1: Know you ain't for the block, not not in that spot.
Speaker 3: Come on, what you're doing like?
Speaker 4: Come on nine tour the splits, the condensed, the splitsor
Speaker 4: already condensed. Your eyes tell you everything. That linebacker, the linebacker,
Speaker 4: everybody know. They teach you in pee wee when you hike,
Speaker 4: when you're getting the ball, keep your eyes up fields
Speaker 4: for the linebacker.
Speaker 1: Don't know where you're going.
Speaker 3: Wherever you look, that's what they gonna.
Speaker 1: Go to the going that way.
Speaker 3: All you had to do was hold hold your eyelines straight,
Speaker 3: just for.
Speaker 1: A little bit. Then you know where you're going.
Speaker 4: Come on, man too, you know, baby, you know better
Speaker 4: than that. Like you look like we were just close,
Speaker 4: were just close.
Speaker 3: Like come on man, listen.
Speaker 4: Outside of us losing, we played well outside of those
Speaker 4: three bone head mistakes.
Speaker 3: I mean, you mean, come on, man, we got to
Speaker 3: do better. I mean, hey, ree, Tyreek, I know you're.
Speaker 4: Gonna see this hole tight boy, hold tighty, gonna get better.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you. I remember I had days like this.
Speaker 3: I had days like this. It's gonna be okay. Wadle
Speaker 3: hold tight a chen boy.
Speaker 4: You ran your ass off the night boy. You hit me,
Speaker 4: you ran your ass off the night boy. I mean
Speaker 4: the whole game. I don't know if that, I don't
Speaker 4: know if this was the game play with Mike McDaniels.
Speaker 4: They they had and then split the whole damn game.
Speaker 4: Damn there the whole game, bump and running day up
Speaker 4: in their face. I was hoping at some point because
Speaker 4: the running game was was pretty decent, it was pretty good.
Speaker 4: I thought they were gonna drop a safety and leave
Speaker 4: one on one out there. They kept they kept two
Speaker 4: safely up there high with the press running fifty five
Speaker 4: running cover of.
Speaker 1: Tool from press. Why would I Why would I not
Speaker 1: run fifty five against tour? Where are you going?
Speaker 2: You're right, You're right.
Speaker 1: I mean you bet. I bet you wanna run that.
Speaker 1: I bet you won't run that against Lamar Jackson. You
Speaker 1: will run that cover against Josh Josh Allen. You can't
Speaker 1: joint jayde Daniels. Who can't because.
Speaker 4: When your back turn, he gonna come right out of
Speaker 4: the back door, and before you gonna be twenty yards
Speaker 4: down the.
Speaker 1: Field, he touching on your back turn around. I'm here,
Speaker 1: Oh Joe. All the things you spoke about, those are
Speaker 1: the mistakes that you make when you're oweing through oh
Speaker 1: and two, about to be oh and three. You make
Speaker 1: bonehead and mistakes like that. You can't get out of
Speaker 1: your own way. As you mentioned, they played an they
Speaker 1: played a perfect game. They got behind, came back. Okay,
Speaker 1: we got a ball game. We had, didn't get blown
Speaker 1: out in the first half. We gave ourselves a chance
Speaker 1: in the second half. And like I said, I don't
Speaker 1: know why a silo we try to block that punt.
Speaker 1: Not in that spot, O Joe. You had just going
Speaker 1: to touchdown, You had just gone down the field. You
Speaker 1: take buffalo and you make them go three and out
Speaker 1: and you try to block the punt. What I'm behind, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know who the special team coach is. You should
Speaker 3: have told them, don't even try to block it.
Speaker 1: Well, they had defense state. They had defense state because
Speaker 1: that's the only reason he's on the field. So they
Speaker 1: were like, so, you know, just to make sure they
Speaker 1: don't they don't do anything tricky. I'm gonna keep my
Speaker 1: defense out there, bring one returnal back, somebody go off,
Speaker 1: but I got defensive state. Okay, don't work. Don't even
Speaker 1: worry about it, because the worst thing can happen. You
Speaker 1: run into the guy and you well, they call the
Speaker 1: roughness because he didn't give him a chance to land.
Speaker 1: And really they tried to protect the punter and kicker
Speaker 1: from doing stuff like uh, trying to protect him when
Speaker 1: they're up in the air like that, Ojo. But in
Speaker 1: that situation, the worst thing that can happen happen. But
Speaker 1: when you're owing, when you're owing to, those are things
Speaker 1: because you gotta think, O Joe, how do we get
Speaker 1: to be oing to? Because it's not like they don't
Speaker 1: meet it's not like they don't have talent. You can
Speaker 1: make dumb plays at the most inopportunity of times, and
Speaker 1: it puts you in a buying to a like Ojo said,
Speaker 1: all you go, you know where you want to go
Speaker 1: with the ball. All you got to do is just
Speaker 1: once you do this where you think the linebacker going.
Speaker 4: Yes, along along with the safety, anything anything at that
Speaker 4: second level. Wherever your eyes is, whichever way your helmet
Speaker 4: is facing, that is the way the safety is drifting. Yes,
Speaker 4: if you know it's a short throw. If you know
Speaker 4: the spits already condensed, that means the linebacker ain't got that.
Speaker 2: Much that far to gold.
Speaker 4: No, he already everybody already tight line straight. Then when
Speaker 4: you're ready to throw, I'm looking at the target you
Speaker 4: go through. That that you go through that is repetitive
Speaker 4: weekend and week out, weekend and week out.
Speaker 1: Like you know that.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm not a quarterback, hum, but I just
Speaker 4: I just know as a quarterback, you want to protect
Speaker 4: your receiver. How do you protect your receiver by holding
Speaker 4: your eye line? So not a bank bank blade?
Speaker 1: Right? How did Hansel and Gretel get back home? They
Speaker 1: left bread crumbs? You want that, you want that safety,
Speaker 1: that linebacker to follow you leeve drop them bread crumbs,
Speaker 1: which is your eyes he going what you spoke, what
Speaker 1: you try to do, O yoe, is that if you
Speaker 1: wanted to flow one where you look that way, but
Speaker 1: then you throw the opposite way because he's gonna go
Speaker 1: where you're you're gonna go. Because normally it's now unless
Speaker 1: you Matthew Stafford, you're throwing no look passes and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. And now that's that's a whole different story, Ojo.
Speaker 1: But in this situation, it was really two plays that
Speaker 1: really undid what the Dolphins had done to Night because
Speaker 1: I thought they played really really well to it. Didn't
Speaker 1: have big numbers, they did, like I said, they did
Speaker 1: a great job of getting the ball out of to
Speaker 1: his hands. They didn't want a chance anything with that
Speaker 1: pass rush Russ I think Russo uh and Bosa they
Speaker 1: didn't want Fanessa uh. They didn't want to They didn't
Speaker 1: want to take any chances, O Joe. So let's say
Speaker 1: three yards here, swing past their five seven yards. We're
Speaker 1: not holding this ball right because the last thing we
Speaker 1: want to do is get trapped because normally, O yo,
Speaker 1: what happens when Tua gets sacked, he doesn't have much
Speaker 1: grip strength. The ball comes out.
Speaker 4: And a lot of people, a lot of people laughing
Speaker 4: to listen. It was a great game plan, a great
Speaker 4: game plan. Mike McDaniel had a great game plan, knowing
Speaker 4: how good that front foward is, knowing you have to
Speaker 4: deal with Bosa. Okay, you know what, I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: put Tour in the vulnerable position. We're gonna condence the splits.
Speaker 3: The whole goddamn game.
Speaker 4: They was two three yards inside the number, the whole game,
Speaker 4: the whole game, why quick game, get it out, boom,
Speaker 4: if they come, if they cut the receivers, get it
Speaker 4: to the get it to the back out of the backfield.
Speaker 4: That's why everybody called him checked down to a check
Speaker 4: down to her, No, he's doing exactly what he's supposed
Speaker 4: to do, which is why he was so efficient without
Speaker 4: having any turnovers until it came later in the game.
Speaker 4: And the running game was one of the reasons why
Speaker 4: we had success and being able to score twenty one
Speaker 4: points and we just at the end of the game,
Speaker 4: I mean, you can't make those mistakes as the team
Speaker 4: that's owing to everything has to be perfect. You want
Speaker 4: to be as perfect as possible as possible, and.
Speaker 2: It's just I understand. Look at you would try your effort.
Speaker 2: It was the effort play. I'm trying to make a
Speaker 2: play for my team.
Speaker 4: But you got to know and understand the situation and
Speaker 4: have situational awareness. You're not gonna you're a dtacle from
Speaker 4: Young Bull.
Speaker 3: You two hundred three hundred pounds.
Speaker 2: You're not finna get that to block that.
Speaker 3: But I appreciate the effort.
Speaker 2: Who we got. I think we got the Jets next
Speaker 2: right at home.
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, I'm going I get I'm listen, I'm going
Speaker 4: I'm going on the limb right now.
Speaker 3: We gonna win this game because.
Speaker 4: I'm finna be like I'm finna be like Gilly. I'm
Speaker 4: coming out goddamn tunnel with the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: You hear me.
Speaker 4: I'm finna be the hype man this game. That's enough
Speaker 4: of this ship. That's nothing that I'm not dealing with
Speaker 4: this no more. I'm coming out the tunnel with the Dolphins.
Speaker 4: I don't care what Mike McDaniel say, I don't care
Speaker 4: what Stephen Ross say.
Speaker 3: They need they need me for team role, they need me.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna hype their ass up. I'm gonna give them
Speaker 4: the pep talk. Before we play the goddamn Jets.
Speaker 1: Ship before the game, reports surface about players being late
Speaker 1: the meetings. Having this lininary issues had long been an
Speaker 1: issue under Mike McDaniels. Tartanus was an issue throughout last season.
Speaker 1: One current Dolphin player said he believed some captains the
Speaker 1: past season took advantage of their role. Ramsey and wide
Speaker 1: receiver Tyreek Hill, who were two of the eight players
Speaker 1: voted captains in twenty twenty four, were among the repeat
Speaker 1: offenders who received numerous fines. Throughout the season, players were
Speaker 1: often late to practice and meetings, and with multiple team
Speaker 1: sources suggested it reflected in lack of respect for Josh
Speaker 1: for Mike McDaniel, who was hesitant to publicly admodised players
Speaker 1: outside of posting fines. However, one Dolphins player who played
Speaker 1: for McDaniel and Miami said that behavior was exclusive to
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty fourth season and the issue of the roles.
Speaker 1: When the team stopped winning games, Ramsey's behavior became a
Speaker 1: drain on the team morale, according to multiple sources, including
Speaker 1: current and former players, who said this action vary from
Speaker 1: being late the team actually to outright leaving practice. Player
Speaker 1: driven leadership has always been emphasized under McDaniel. His style
Speaker 1: is one of the current players described it is laid
Speaker 1: back without with being hands off. Former Dolphins players who
Speaker 1: played for McDaniel said the coach was always open and
Speaker 1: vulnerable with his players, which he thinks players miscing strewed
Speaker 1: as being soft.
Speaker 4: And winning cures everything. Uh, I hate, I hate, I
Speaker 4: hate when stuff like this happens. When you have a
Speaker 4: you have a players coach that's a little bit leaning,
Speaker 4: and he allows you to get away with stuff, and
Speaker 4: all players aren't aren't treated equal.
Speaker 3: Oh you know that all aren't treated equal.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: I understand some some people obviously having that c on
Speaker 4: their chest who you are, notoriety being a veteran, But
Speaker 4: there's certain things that you just can't do because when
Speaker 4: they see one person do it, then everybody else tries
Speaker 4: to do it. But everybody else know they can't get
Speaker 4: away with it based on who they are. Now now
Speaker 4: that everybody's losing. Now that we're losing, now everybody talking.
Speaker 4: When you're winning, it's quiet as a mouse. Ain't nobody
Speaker 4: saying nothing. Ain't nobody saying nothing?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: Stuff is leaking out players that play for Mike McDaniel
Speaker 4: when you get a player's coach, a coach that's vulnerable,
Speaker 4: a coach that's fun, that's entertaining, that's you know, very like,
Speaker 4: very very loose, like a I'm trying to think, who
Speaker 4: can I compare like like a Sean McVay. I'm not
Speaker 4: saying coaching style. I'm not saying coach style. I'm just
Speaker 4: saying one that.
Speaker 3: You can relate to. He ain't Tom Coughlin, He ain't
Speaker 3: Bill Parcells, if you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So he's a little bit more lenient. And you know,
Speaker 4: I guess you had some players that took advantage of that.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that the fact that players are
Speaker 4: taking advantage of.
Speaker 3: That why we're losing. But some of those mistakes that's
Speaker 3: going on on the field, it's a part of discipline though.
Speaker 4: That's a part of discipline. And when it comes to discipline,
Speaker 4: that also reflects the coaching. So when there's certain things
Speaker 4: you allow, like coming late and being tardy, it leaks
Speaker 4: onto the fucking field.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And that's what we're seeing.
Speaker 1: They lack leadership, see man, see, losing reveals character. You
Speaker 1: see when I told you when we first first started
Speaker 1: talking to Mike Shannon had told me something. Everybody, oh shouting,
Speaker 1: shut up, you don't know what you're talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you never accept anything in a win. You witn't in
Speaker 1: a loss. I promise you. Playing fourteen years old, Yoe,
Speaker 1: you played eleven plus.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: They did this when they was winning. They did the
Speaker 1: exact same thing. You never tolerated on a win. What
Speaker 1: you're witn't in a loss. If it was okay when
Speaker 1: you was winning, why isn't it okay when you because
Speaker 1: you allowed them to establish the coaches kind of coaches
Speaker 1: kind of like give you instructions of how we the players,
Speaker 1: decide what to build. See, when you got a strong foundation,
Speaker 1: nothing will ever crumble. Your foundation wasn't strong. Your foundational
Speaker 1: pieces was not strong right in their lives. You start
Speaker 1: the splinter instead of I don't know the matter of
Speaker 1: fact that they said, current and former players are talking.
Speaker 1: It just tells you to the egregiousness of it, tell
Speaker 1: you you the greciousness of it. You know you hear things, Oh, Choe,
Speaker 1: I ain't no report, I ain't breaking that they gonna
Speaker 1: get mad. How you know, yat, how you know you
Speaker 1: not there? Now they talking? Now, this is what we
Speaker 1: know Chad based on this over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: When y'all say sources don't know what they talk about,
Speaker 1: y'all know they've donet done their homework. Somebody in that
Speaker 1: organization's talking. And it ain't just higher ups if players,
Speaker 1: they're talking. And this is what happens when you put
Speaker 1: the wrong people in place. This is what you get.
Speaker 1: Remember I told you Oho, I've always tried it. When
Speaker 1: I played, I always tried to do the right thing
Speaker 1: because people to watching. They were watching because they're looking, say, man, man,
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I get me a bout year eight
Speaker 1: nine and I get some and I played really well.
Speaker 1: That is what you want, Ojo. You want your best
Speaker 1: players to be professional. Now, A pro and a professional
Speaker 1: of two different things. A professional is the task is
Speaker 1: the job that you have. A pro is how you
Speaker 1: do said job the two different things. I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised at all. I'm not
Speaker 1: surprised you're not surprised by the names that were mentioned.
Speaker 1: I just I just hated that it's the names that mentioned.
Speaker 1: I really do. I hate it. I hated that the
Speaker 1: names that are mentioned because Jalen Ramseys had had a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame career. Yeah, ty reeky got a Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame career. Not a good look on neither one
Speaker 1: of them. Why, o Jo, That's what I don't get, Oyo.
Speaker 1: When when was this a guy could just leave practice?
Speaker 1: If this was being reported? Ojo is true? I got you,
Speaker 1: Oh Jo? Did you ever have that a guy just
Speaker 1: left practice? Just leave? I'm talking, oyo, Just le not injured,
Speaker 1: just lee a I'm man, forget this, I'm a bout
Speaker 1: of here or a guy. I mean, I've heard the guy.
Speaker 1: Just leave it. Man, they get fair to get mad,
Speaker 1: as frustrated, and they leave, just lead the building. When
Speaker 1: did that, oh Joe, did that take place? When you playing?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 1: Must the case?
Speaker 3: When was that?
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 4: You got to understand we had a different We had
Speaker 4: a different setup. Will Winnie Ellison, Willie Anderson, you know,
Speaker 4: big big, big Bobby. They not they Andrew Whitworth walking
Speaker 4: out of who practice? Brian Stimmins, the Kyo Spikes walking
Speaker 4: out of what practice?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 4: Dudes with Man, I'm saying me in general, unh as
Speaker 4: as great as I was during that time, they would have.
Speaker 2: Yoked me up, you know, I'm being honest, I believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if that's what should happen, Big.
Speaker 3: Willie, Man, please, man, man, it would have yoked me up.
Speaker 2: Man, Who the fuck you think you is?
Speaker 3: No, Now, we don't do that. It's already bad enough.
Speaker 3: We don't need you to be no distraction. Now what
Speaker 3: you doing to feel?
Speaker 2: That's one thing?
Speaker 3: You're doing your job, but off of it at practice?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I wan't no problem. I want no problem.
Speaker 1: Oh no, let me let me tell you what I
Speaker 1: think happened. They think Brian floor Is was too far
Speaker 1: this way, and so what do you do instead of
Speaker 1: hiding somebody in the middle, you go too far that way.
Speaker 1: Look how much face is up in there, o Joe.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of room for players to maneuver up
Speaker 1: and there.
Speaker 2: I got a question for you.
Speaker 4: Yes, you think players forget Jaylen Ramsey in tyree, You
Speaker 4: think players would have showed up late and walked out
Speaker 4: of practice with Brian Floyd as the head.
Speaker 2: The god damn Bright got.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not a fool.
Speaker 4: A fool that is different kinds of coaches, different kinds
Speaker 4: of mentalities, certain coaches.
Speaker 3: Hell, he don't have to say nothing, it just it's
Speaker 3: just it just they not to play with him like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, what we do?
Speaker 2: What? What? What? What's what's the answer. What's the answer.
Speaker 2: Give me your honest opinion, Give me.
Speaker 1: What do the Dolphin need to do? What do we
Speaker 1: need to do? The clean the house? They clean the house.
Speaker 1: They're going to cleanse so down, down, down clean who
Speaker 1: they're gonna clean house? You think so Tyreek's gone after
Speaker 1: this season? If not, better trade that line. They've already
Speaker 1: got rid of Jayalen Rams. Yes, they're changing the culture.
Speaker 1: Am I gonna be shocked? I'm surprised Mike McDaniel is
Speaker 1: still there because when you say you finding players, obviously
Speaker 1: that has to come out of payroll. Obviously you have
Speaker 1: to write it up what they're being fined for? Why
Speaker 1: why are you taking money from them? The general manager
Speaker 1: sees that.
Speaker 2: So you got to understand the situation that we.
Speaker 4: Dolphins fans myself, people have have been fanned for this organization,
Speaker 4: me since nineteen seventy eight. If you say we're cleaning house,
Speaker 4: we're basically hitting the reset button and before we get
Speaker 4: a competitive team will be a very long time from that,
Speaker 4: because you know how long it takes to rebuild yourself.
Speaker 2: Back up to being a winning organization.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't. You can't win with you can't win
Speaker 1: with leaders like that. Though, You can't can't win with
Speaker 1: leaders like that. I mean, I wish I could, you know,
Speaker 1: dress it up for your nice chat, but you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't. You have to have an extreme If those guys,
Speaker 1: if those guys are your leaders, I'm talking about your
Speaker 1: main leaders. You think Tyreek did this with add to
Speaker 1: read mm hmm, Ram didn't do this with with mcvaye either.
Speaker 2: Different culture, different coaches.
Speaker 1: But what but why, oh Choe, don't you want to win?
Speaker 1: You can see what I say. God, I see now.
Speaker 1: I tell you, guys, guys say they want to win,
Speaker 1: but do they really want to win? Are they doing
Speaker 1: the thing? Because it's just what you do? Oh Joe,
Speaker 1: you win Monday through Fry. You just played the game
Speaker 1: on Sunday. You win the game on Monday through Friday.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I don't get it.
Speaker 4: I don't And I can't remember when these issues were arising.
Speaker 4: When these issues were happened, they actually were winning. That's
Speaker 4: when the issues occur. When you are winning and you
Speaker 4: understand what you get on Sunday, then the coach of
Speaker 4: the Little Boy Leon with some of the stuff away.
Speaker 4: We had the same issue in Pittsburgh. You alreaty know
Speaker 4: what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: We didn't get to see that part until it came
Speaker 3: to a head where enough was enough.
Speaker 1: Production in tolerance. Yeah, as long as production is here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: tolerance can be here. Tolerance would never outweigh production. When
Speaker 1: Tyree was getting nineteen hundred yards, you didn't hear a
Speaker 1: thing you say, how as production was as Tlerance was
Speaker 1: up there too, he had nine hundred last year production drop,
Speaker 1: tylers was still up here.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, right.
Speaker 4: We we we got to get We gotta get me
Speaker 4: on and a in a in a rightful situation so
Speaker 4: that he can flourish.
Speaker 1: O jo. He came from a structured o cho. If
Speaker 1: you normally when you come from a structured environment, if
Speaker 1: you go look at somebody in the military more times
Speaker 1: than not, not always, what are they always on time?
Speaker 2: Yeah, very very disciplined the go look at.
Speaker 1: And the way they keep their homes very tiny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So no matter, even when they leave the military, they
Speaker 1: kind of still gravitate towards.
Speaker 2: That very old CD in a general and just in
Speaker 2: the way they live.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so it's surprising to me. No, it's not,
Speaker 1: it's not, it's not. It's not surprising to me. Players
Speaker 1: say they want to win, but they actually think just
Speaker 1: winning the game is winning. You win in practice, you
Speaker 1: win in meetings, you meet in the training room, you
Speaker 1: win in the meeting rooms.
Speaker 6: That's when you win. They just looking at winning on Sunday.
Speaker 6: That's not that's not the only way you win. You
Speaker 6: win Monday through Friday. That's when you win. I just
Speaker 6: don't get it.
Speaker 1: I don't and I'm never gonna You're not gonna make
Speaker 1: me understand, because, like I said, I mean, what what
Speaker 1: do you got to do? Oh Joe, how are you late?
Speaker 1: I can see if you leave it one somebody that
Speaker 1: got two jobs, oh yoe, and they run they hey,
Speaker 1: they got off the other, one job late getting to
Speaker 1: the other. I get it. I don't know another player
Speaker 1: that has another job. He got one job making thirty million,
Speaker 1: one guy making twenty two to twenty three million, and
Speaker 1: you late.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, I've been late before. It wasn't. It wasn't
Speaker 2: a continuous occurrence though.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, oh your week.
Speaker 2: I can tell you when it was.
Speaker 4: It was a goddamn December and I opened the door
Speaker 4: and the snow everywhere. It took me for ever to
Speaker 4: get out the goddamn parking lot.
Speaker 1: I get it. I look everybody. I think it's better
Speaker 1: to me. I shouldn't say everybody, But most players have
Speaker 1: been late at least once.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But I.
Speaker 1: Don't think what they're talking about is a a once
Speaker 1: occurrence reoccurring. Yes, yes, oh jo, like I said one time, Hey,
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna happen. But see that's why. That's how
Speaker 1: Mike was overweight. Mike gonna hit you for fifty dollars
Speaker 1: a pound. It's just what it is. You late to
Speaker 1: the meetings. Hey, you can pay the normal fine, or
Speaker 1: you can pay it in cash in front of the
Speaker 1: team charts is yours? Now tell you Mike gonna get
Speaker 1: rid of you.
Speaker 2: Hey, you can't win.
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't win because you say you're you're
Speaker 1: fostering a culture that as the old guys start to
Speaker 1: move away, this is what you're gonna be left with.
Speaker 1: And so that's why what did they always say, Oh Joe,
Speaker 1: you try to get the bad apple out, because the
Speaker 1: bad apple will for all the rest of the apples.
Speaker 2: But listen, sometimes your bad apple is also sometimes your
Speaker 2: best player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there lies the problem I say.
Speaker 2: I said sometimes, yes, and.
Speaker 1: There lies the problem. Why why let me ask your question,
Speaker 1: why did the Patriots win so much? Who is the
Speaker 1: hardest worker?
Speaker 2: Twelve?
Speaker 1: You see? You see the foundation that he laid. I
Speaker 1: guarantee you it's the same way in Kansas City. You
Speaker 1: go when you get your best players and they're the
Speaker 1: hardest workers. You Michael Jordan's, Kobe Bryant, your your Josh
Speaker 1: ap Llands, your Patrick Mahomes, your Peyton Manning's, your Tom Brady's.
Speaker 1: It's easy to follow those guys. Yeah, but you got
Speaker 1: to have a strong That guy gotta be strong, and
Speaker 1: guys don't want to let guys like that down.
Speaker 2: Damn man bad.
Speaker 1: We knew it was bad. Oh yo, we knew it
Speaker 1: was bad.
Speaker 2: We knew it was bad.
Speaker 1: But what.
Speaker 2: H huh?
Speaker 1: I think we knew?
Speaker 2: I knew it was bad.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying the way we played the night, the fight,
Speaker 4: that we showed, the resilience that we showed that, you know,
Speaker 4: the whole world they doubting us. Oh, y'all don't have
Speaker 4: y'all don't stand a chance. Y'all won't get run out
Speaker 4: of the stadium, Buffalo from the beat.
Speaker 1: Y'all headed.
Speaker 4: No, we played good competitive football with three mistakes, with
Speaker 4: three mistakes, and I hate to blame.
Speaker 2: It, but that cost us a chance to tie the game.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, it cost us it.
Speaker 2: Just damn man. I still got a tour of Jersey
Speaker 2: on though.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I see. Oh, y'all, We're gonna move along.
Speaker 1: Former Raiders head coach Antonio Pierce said it thanks. It's
Speaker 1: foolish to believe Tom Brady won't use his access as
Speaker 1: a broadcaster to help the team. Pierce said, this is
Speaker 1: unprecedented that we're seeing. I think it would be uncomfortable
Speaker 1: if it was the other way around, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, because you're not dealing with just the normal person.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is elite of the elite, one of the
Speaker 1: greatest quarterbacks, one of the greatest players in this game.
Speaker 1: It's hard for him to watch a few things on
Speaker 1: Friday's practice or hear things in production meeting and be like, hmm,
Speaker 1: and I have tied bitts. You'd be foolish enough to
Speaker 1: think that he's not gonna share those with the Raiders
Speaker 1: because we had those conversations about certain things.
Speaker 3: Those conversations don't matter.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: Tom Brady's the seven time Super Bowl winning quarterback, six
Speaker 4: with the Patriot and one with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 4: Him going to another seam practice and sharing with the
Speaker 4: staff for the Raiders ain't helping it, because it means nothing.
Speaker 4: Once you touch the field and you have to execute,
Speaker 4: you have to execute. It comes down in exit nose.
Speaker 4: Mari Ormano, winning your individual matchup, having a conversation about
Speaker 4: what I saw don't mean nothing.
Speaker 3: Matter of fact.
Speaker 4: Small example, we watched Canelo spar one of Canelo's spar
Speaker 4: partners with Diran boots in this and then when it
Speaker 4: was time to fight another switch hitter and Bud Crawford,
Speaker 4: did it matter?
Speaker 3: It didn't matter.
Speaker 1: No, But what if they got in tail? What if
Speaker 1: that got intail of what Bud was actually doing.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm giving you a look on what you're gonna
Speaker 2: see Sunday.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I don't want no look. I want
Speaker 1: to look from what you're telling me. Giron boots in
Speaker 1: It is not is not Bud Crawford. So let me
Speaker 1: ask you, So let me ask you a.
Speaker 3: Perfect I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 4: Jern Bue sentence is not buck offer, Tom Brady and
Speaker 4: gen know Smith Tom Brady.
Speaker 3: No, what you're telling, whatever your information you give is.
Speaker 2: Not gonna work.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question. So if b
Speaker 1: mac so if if if if buzz trainer? What a
Speaker 1: teal cout down loads trainer. Okay, this is our strategy.
Speaker 1: That's not gonna help either.
Speaker 4: Hum absolutely now, because they're getting the record, no matter
Speaker 4: what I tell you, still got to execute the fight.
Speaker 1: Stop it, stop it, stop it. You know that's not
Speaker 1: the case. Absolutely absolutely not.
Speaker 4: Wait listen to me real quick. Listen to me real quick.
Speaker 4: You planting the denmer Broncos, right, yes, you plaimed the
Speaker 4: demmer Broncos. Yes, just say they got your playbook and
Speaker 4: you don't know it. They got your playbook and Johnny
Speaker 4: Way called the plane the huddle, and you get to
Speaker 4: the line you worried about them knowing.
Speaker 1: What the play is. That actually happened on what you're
Speaker 1: gonna get up. No matter what I ain't he I
Speaker 1: ain't got to tell you no speculation. It happened. The
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans had our playbook.
Speaker 3: Did you get open that game.
Speaker 1: Hey, we made what we won? Oh Joe, I made
Speaker 1: one play. Jamal Lewis rushed for a touchdown. The defense
Speaker 1: took the game over. We couldn't do nothing offensively. They checked.
Speaker 1: They had a check for everything that we did, every
Speaker 1: formation we got in. They had the perfect call. The
Speaker 1: only play that we made was the formation they had
Speaker 1: never seen before, where we ran switch routes. I ran up,
Speaker 1: I was I was lining up in the slot and
Speaker 1: we crossed. I went up the rail and outside, got
Speaker 1: went up, went up there on the scene. I caught
Speaker 1: the go ball.
Speaker 3: They passed it off.
Speaker 1: Nope, they blew it and they stayed both of them
Speaker 1: stayed inside and let me go round the rail, stop free.
Speaker 1: I get it down to the one. Jamal run the
Speaker 1: ball in. We ain't do nothing after that because they
Speaker 1: had the playbook.
Speaker 4: Hey, listen, you cut from a different claw. We think
Speaker 4: the same, we play the same, we talk the same.
Speaker 4: So the fact that you're not agreeing with me on
Speaker 4: this now, I do wouldn't care what they know. I
Speaker 4: don't care what plays you know. I don't care what
Speaker 4: Tom Brady tell anybody when I line.
Speaker 3: Up on that field.
Speaker 2: You for get this fucking work.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: You fin get this work? My bad, My bad, my bad.
Speaker 1: It's work.
Speaker 2: That don't mean nothing.
Speaker 4: That ain't no competitive advantage because you still got window
Speaker 4: whistle blow. You still got to go out there and
Speaker 4: execute the exit.
Speaker 1: And o's Oh Joe, if I know where you're going,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be there before you get there. Should me?
Speaker 1: Come on? You come on. That's that's why, that's why
Speaker 1: you don't pin your location. That's why you don't tell anybody.
Speaker 1: You don't want nobody to get to drop on you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just, I just I'm just just a thought.
Speaker 4: I mean, just a thought as a player. I bet
Speaker 4: I bet you asked some of the young players right now. Hey,
Speaker 4: Tom Brady is having a conversation, and they think it's
Speaker 4: a competitive advantage him being in the booth. I guarantee
Speaker 4: you all the players right now, man, we don't care
Speaker 4: nothing about that.
Speaker 1: If that was an issue, why why why did the
Speaker 1: NFL not let him do it last year? If it
Speaker 1: wasn't an issue or they thought it was an issue,
Speaker 1: I don't listen, you know they you said it wasn't
Speaker 1: an issue. Why would know. I'm saying it.
Speaker 4: The powers that be that that the powers that be
Speaker 4: that like to control everything, everything that goes on, like
Speaker 4: player socks.
Speaker 1: What you wear.
Speaker 2: Of course they didn't want to do it.
Speaker 1: He doing it this year. Why well, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, because you know, you know how they are,
Speaker 3: You know how they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can always disagree.
Speaker 4: With They micro manage every little thing, every little thing.
Speaker 4: It's a competitive it.
Speaker 3: It ain't ship got to get there in line up.
Speaker 2: You do.
Speaker 4: If Tom Brady and I Brady was actually playing in
Speaker 4: the game at quarterback for the Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: Raiders, now we got a problem. Now we've got a problem.
Speaker 1: Belichick ain't play no games, but he showed it. Call
Speaker 1: a lot of great defenses, and similar knew where everything
Speaker 1: was gonna be.
Speaker 2: I mean, he had a lot of great players to
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: He had the play. It doesn't matter the players. You
Speaker 1: told it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You told me, it doesn't matter. You see what they
Speaker 1: did against You see what they did against Seattle. They
Speaker 1: knew if they brought a certain defensive package in what
Speaker 1: would Seattle do break a certain offensive package in they
Speaker 1: brought a five to three in mm hmm. They said, well,
Speaker 1: Seattle's gonna throw the football. I just think, look, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be fifty to fifty. There's gonna be people that
Speaker 1: feel strongly like you do. There's gonna be people that
Speaker 1: is on my side feel strongly like I do. I'm
Speaker 1: surprised that they relented, because if that's true, what information
Speaker 1: can he get from a practice that he needs to
Speaker 1: help call in the game. You say, he watched tape
Speaker 1: all week, So what does Friday practice do for him?
Speaker 1: He watched it on tape, So why does he need
Speaker 1: Why does he need to be in production meetings? Yeah?
Speaker 2: We we and I mean to me, making too much
Speaker 2: of it, making too much of.
Speaker 1: It enough people, I think enough. I think enough people
Speaker 1: on both sides have strong opinions both ways. That's why
Speaker 1: if it was if it was like you see how
Speaker 1: close they came for the tuck rule, getting the tuck
Speaker 1: rule out, because you got people strong on both sides,
Speaker 1: it's fine.
Speaker 5: Nine.
Speaker 1: Now that's a competitive advantage, so forth and so on,
Speaker 1: because I remember, you couldn't push the guy, you couldn't
Speaker 1: aid the runner, you couldn't push him and help him
Speaker 1: gain yards. Now you can, But I just think the
Speaker 1: thing is is that Tom, it is definitely a situation
Speaker 1: where the NFL is gonna gonna gonna look back into it.
Speaker 1: All right, O Joe, we got a very very special
Speaker 1: guest joining us. This guy has done something that very
Speaker 1: few track and field men in the track and field
Speaker 1: game has ever done. He's he's one of the few
Speaker 1: men that has run sub forty four in the four
Speaker 1: hundred meters run, sub nineteen eight in the two hundred
Speaker 1: meters run, sub nine eight oh in the one hundred meters.
Speaker 1: He's a world champion in one hundred meters. He's an
Speaker 1: Olympic silver medalist in the one hundred meters, and I
Speaker 1: think he won either on the World relay team. Harry Is.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Fred curly, Fred, what's going on? Thank
Speaker 1: you're mute? Fred? Can you hear me? Yeah? We got
Speaker 1: what's going on?
Speaker 2: Chilling, chilling, chilling, can't complain.
Speaker 1: Let's start with this. You watched Seid today forty seven
Speaker 1: seventy eight two women. I mean, think about it. You
Speaker 1: had to go to get on. Basically, to get on,
Speaker 1: you got to run one of the ten or eleven
Speaker 1: fastest times ever for a woman, just to get on
Speaker 1: the podium. How impressive what you saw Seed do? Basically,
Speaker 1: she said, this year, I've done with the herd the
Speaker 1: I'm not doing the hurdles. I'm focusing on the four
Speaker 1: flat with and her sole purpose is to take that
Speaker 1: world record down many thought was untouchable. How impressive? How
Speaker 1: impressed are you with what she's doing for you? I
Speaker 1: think it's crazy.
Speaker 5: It's something that have not done and been done in
Speaker 5: thirty nine years and have somebody great at her to
Speaker 5: accomplish that is amazing.
Speaker 2: And I feel like she still can go faster. She's
Speaker 2: just still young and just to open.
Speaker 5: Four her baby's four hundred hurdles, but it's no telling
Speaker 5: what she can do in the open four. I feel
Speaker 5: like she can go even below what she did. I
Speaker 5: feel like she's still young at it. Her body's still young.
Speaker 5: I feel like she can do some still can do
Speaker 5: some amazing stuff in that open four hundred meters.
Speaker 1: You believe she can go sub forty seventy five.
Speaker 2: I feel like she can go faster than that.
Speaker 5: I feel like, yo, it's Sydney were talking about Yes, yo,
Speaker 5: So she got she got talent that I don't think
Speaker 5: no woman on this earth have got or no woman
Speaker 5: had discovered yet. I feel like she's she's amazing. So
Speaker 5: so every time she touches track, it always have been
Speaker 5: a world record. And her young days, so I feel
Speaker 5: like the sky's the limit and I feel like she
Speaker 5: still got she still got a lot more in the tank.
Speaker 2: I feel like that forty seven where she ran was
Speaker 2: a chill mode.
Speaker 1: Really m when you look at it, Fred, I think
Speaker 1: a part of it because they're talking now that maybe
Speaker 1: and Bobby, Bobby Kursey, he coached flow Joe Gail Devers
Speaker 1: Gail Divers are the two time Olympic hundred meter champ.
Speaker 1: We know what flowed Joeys. We don't need to say anything.
Speaker 1: Valerie Briscoe at the time she married Hooks and now
Speaker 1: she's Vattery brisco hook He was the first to do
Speaker 1: the double the four two in eighty four in La,
Speaker 1: last time the Olympics were in La. Guess what in
Speaker 1: twenty eight Olympics gonna be in La. Could you see
Speaker 1: Bobby Kursey going to the Olympic Committee and says, look,
Speaker 1: we want to do something unprecedented. I feel like that
Speaker 1: they could do unprecedented? Is the four to four?
Speaker 5: I feel like she always can't do anything, but hey,
Speaker 5: if the time frame presentable, I feel like any and
Speaker 5: no telling what the if the committee can do for
Speaker 5: any of us?
Speaker 1: Right right? You watched? I mean I don't know how
Speaker 1: much of the are you watching the World the World Championship.
Speaker 1: I watched you two university or twelve university. I get
Speaker 1: all the news when everything come on them channels. I'm
Speaker 1: not watched it live. How how surprised are you with
Speaker 1: the way Obliquesaville has run this year, ended up winning
Speaker 1: the World Championship one hundred meters. He caught Kashane. Kashane
Speaker 1: always gets a great start. I was surprised, how so
Speaker 1: how Easiville made it look. Noah got the bronze, But
Speaker 1: Noah didn't have a whole lot of races. Handicap what
Speaker 1: you saw and what you think happened. I don't think
Speaker 1: I saw. Was so much surprised about the race.
Speaker 5: He been showing it since I race him in Jamaica,
Speaker 5: Like it's all about peaking at the right moment. A
Speaker 5: lot of at leasts a lot of athletes have not
Speaker 5: raced in September. They in their cities and August each year,
Speaker 5: so every time you in your season early, you don't
Speaker 5: get that extra boots.
Speaker 2: And what I saw in the one hundred meters, I
Speaker 2: feel like he was always cable of doing it.
Speaker 5: He's just in up shorthanded, and this year he showed
Speaker 5: what it was. And for Noah, I feel like I
Speaker 5: don't think he was so much concentrated on one hundred
Speaker 5: this year. I think he was so much concentrated on
Speaker 5: the two hundred. He lost the two hundred last year,
Speaker 5: and I feel like he wanted his revenge the two
Speaker 5: hundred his baby. I feel like he want the two
Speaker 5: hundred more than a hundred. Yeah, I think so too,
Speaker 5: to be a four time.
Speaker 1: I mean he's already three peter, so now he wants
Speaker 1: the four something that no man on the track has
Speaker 1: ever done. Well you say, I think you said it
Speaker 1: is done for U two hundred he got dq'ed and
Speaker 1: I think he got de qedd and uh and that
Speaker 1: was just what that was just one hundred. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about you. Yes, sir, you had a
Speaker 1: worry about violation that you was possibly contesting. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you're still going.
Speaker 5: To still I'm still contesting. I ain't getting no wrong,
Speaker 5: So my people are still fighting for all that.
Speaker 1: Okay, but they said, you're the first, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: track and field athlete to be a part of the
Speaker 1: enhanced games. Yes, and enhance me break a world record
Speaker 1: with the enhancing I mean, obviously you're on the protocol
Speaker 1: if you're trying to fight to say, well, you know what,
Speaker 1: I did nothing wrong, just was just to worry about.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry I didn't give you say. I
Speaker 1: was in Miami and I was supposed to be in
Speaker 1: La Or I was in the Bahamas and I was
Speaker 1: supposed to be over here.
Speaker 5: Why would you? Why would you take this there? Why
Speaker 5: would you do the enhanced game? Come test me? You
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. Come test me. I'm not tripping.
Speaker 5: You can come to my house at any second, any minute,
Speaker 5: in any hour. Come test me. I'm not worried about,
Speaker 5: no mistesting on nothing. Come test me. I've been clean
Speaker 5: my whole entire career. You come test me. Only thing
Speaker 5: by signing up to this game, make money, protect my future.
Speaker 5: Equity is everything. Ownership is everything for me. And they
Speaker 5: did the exactly job I got ownership, and a lot
Speaker 5: of track athletes when they get done with this sport,
Speaker 5: they don't got nothing to go home to. I've been
Speaker 5: to two Olympic Games and ben World champions right, so
Speaker 5: it's for me. My understanding is I got family to see, right,
Speaker 5: I'm going home. You know what I'm saying. Guess what
Speaker 5: if I go call somebody asks us to tell me
Speaker 5: give you two hundred k, go get a job. I
Speaker 5: ain't never had no job, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: The only thing I know is my feats run, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So nobody gonna tell me how
Speaker 5: to make money and protect my family, my blood line
Speaker 5: depending on me. I'm the first one make it out.
Speaker 5: And my whole job is continue to if I make
Speaker 5: a hundred million dollars, I'm gonna continue to make a
Speaker 5: hundred million dollars each and every year.
Speaker 2: So my whole job is protect my blood line.
Speaker 1: So explain to me. Tell me this free So tell
Speaker 1: me how to wearabouts? Do you okay, so you give
Speaker 1: them locations of where you're gonna be they call you,
Speaker 1: or do you put something in Right at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the year, it says, okay, this is why I
Speaker 1: have a residency here in Texas, I have a residency
Speaker 1: in Florida, and I have X, Y, and Z. So
Speaker 1: how do the whereabouts? How does this work?
Speaker 5: So whereabouts is basically we fill it out each quarter.
Speaker 5: They got to know all your location. They gotta know
Speaker 5: if I'm here where, They got to know everywhere. So
Speaker 5: this is basically every quarter you fill out where you're
Speaker 5: gonna be. But the problem with that, you never know
Speaker 5: where you're going to be. Okay, life is life. So
Speaker 5: it's just like you just gotta give them an hour.
Speaker 5: They come after hours, sometimes they come when they want to,
Speaker 5: simple as that. So basically for me, it just feel
Speaker 5: like I'm in prison. My dad been in jail, my
Speaker 5: dad and my dad being in prison, he's still on parole.
Speaker 5: He don't got to do half of the ship I'm
Speaker 5: doing to maintain a paycheck.
Speaker 1: M hmm.
Speaker 4: Hey yeah, hey, Fred, that's basically that's the same thing
Speaker 4: with us in the off season. It don't matter where
Speaker 4: you are, They'll always have where you're at. Yes, man,
Speaker 4: I don't I don't like that.
Speaker 2: It don't matter. We a Fred.
Speaker 4: I remember one one off season, it might have been
Speaker 4: after that two thousand and five, two thousand and sixth season.
Speaker 3: It didn't matter where I was, Yo.
Speaker 5: But you know the problem with the problem with football
Speaker 5: in track, y'all still maintain yall contract.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, we don't no no oh.
Speaker 5: So in other words, you yo, once you get on defended,
Speaker 5: you get you get no money like U s a
Speaker 5: t of us spend my medical stuff. So what what
Speaker 5: what's somebody like me to like, I'm got gona get
Speaker 5: money regardless, you know what I'm saying. We don't get
Speaker 5: nothing like track track and feel not paying me sponsorship,
Speaker 5: pay me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So any of your endorsements, I don't got no endorsements.
Speaker 2: To what people talking about is make money at all
Speaker 2: costs and protect my kids.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: So I don't care what. I don't care what nobody say.
Speaker 5: They're not feeding none of them. They're not even feeding me.
Speaker 2: M hm.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. You said you want
Speaker 1: a chance to push your limits, so you say they
Speaker 1: can come test you. Now you know if you take
Speaker 1: part of this thread, you're probably gonna get a lifetime band. Yo. Yo.
Speaker 2: Guess hey, guess what it's doing happening?
Speaker 5: Gonna do what you gotta do hey, just like they
Speaker 5: got people, I got people, and I'm blessed and I'm
Speaker 5: highly favored of the man above.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: Do you do you think if you were to go
Speaker 1: go ahead and take this process, how do you think
Speaker 1: Fred Curley is gonna be remembered? Because, like I said, Fred,
Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot of men. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: an NCAA champ. You went to the four hundred. I'm
Speaker 1: still in two hunks.
Speaker 5: I'm still in the testing pul Okay, I'm still in
Speaker 5: in the regular governmental testing for Okay.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question. Do they do blood?
Speaker 1: They do blood and your.
Speaker 2: They do both. I got I just got a pissed
Speaker 2: test today. I'm not tripping. Yeah, you're gonna be good.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be good. You're gonna be good. You see
Speaker 2: the problem?
Speaker 5: I feel like the problem is they're scared to pay
Speaker 5: the athletes, you know what I'm saying, So they they
Speaker 5: can't control us when you're trying to make other form
Speaker 5: of income, you know what I'm saying. So if they
Speaker 5: can't control what you got in your pocket, how it
Speaker 5: telling that you got the coaches and stuff making more
Speaker 5: than the athletes.
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 5: You got agent making more than the athletes. You got
Speaker 5: president making more than the athletes.
Speaker 1: Hm.
Speaker 5: They protecting the athletes. You got athletest that can't get sponsorship.
Speaker 5: You got athletes that working the job to maintain their livelihood.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So at the end of the day, it's protecting myself
Speaker 5: because they don't care about me. It don't matter how
Speaker 5: much money I make with endorsements that stuff in right,
Speaker 5: and without adorsement, we're not surviving, right, So let me.
Speaker 1: So, what's what's a what's routine paid for a Diamond league?
Speaker 1: They say, well, Fred, we want you to come contest
Speaker 1: the one hundred meters?
Speaker 2: What what?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What does the Fred curly get?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What is the guy? Obviously you saying both with a
Speaker 1: special circumstances.
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like every year been different.
Speaker 5: Everything been like I can't tell you on a day
Speaker 5: to day or it's whatever the meat got or whatever
Speaker 5: the meet I think is the main event of that championship.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I can't like every every meet is not
Speaker 2: the same. The only thing.
Speaker 1: It might be the one hundred, it might be the hurdles,
Speaker 1: it the two hundred, it might be the four hundred.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm an American, so American live different for Europeans. Okay,
Speaker 5: like we gotta lift. You know what I'm saying, Nobody
Speaker 5: coming to Nobody coming to my rescue and ask me
Speaker 5: if I got this or got that? Like nobody care
Speaker 5: like they people gonna live on their regular life. If
Speaker 5: I go, go dead broke right now. If if I go,
Speaker 5: oh no, I don't got it. So it's protect my future,
Speaker 5: protect my kids. You know what I'm saying. My legacy,
Speaker 5: my legacy. I did everything in this sport. I'm still
Speaker 5: doing everything in this sport.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. You're stilling. You say
Speaker 1: you're still in You're still in the testing pool. So
Speaker 1: now you didn't go to the World, so are you
Speaker 1: still training? So what so what what is it now?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What do you do now? Because basically I don't know
Speaker 1: if there's anything after the World, and so the season
Speaker 1: basically over. Are you getting ready for next? You're gonna
Speaker 1: do the world? The world?
Speaker 5: So I'm I'm not I'm suspended right now, previews suspended,
Speaker 5: so they I'm still texting. Ok yeah, so I'm not
Speaker 5: basically banned as yet, but they suspended me for competition.
Speaker 1: Okay, So right.
Speaker 5: My lawyer's fighting fighting that, so right now, I forever retraining.
Speaker 5: So you just never stopped doing what you do just
Speaker 5: because of this. You never know, you always got to
Speaker 5: be prepared for what's coming.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, why did you I mean,
Speaker 1: you're great four hundred, You're great, you were a great
Speaker 1: You're gonna pay to be one of the greatest four
Speaker 1: hundred meters? What made what made you decide to go
Speaker 1: to the what made you decide to drop down to
Speaker 1: do the one hundred?
Speaker 2: See, like the.
Speaker 5: Twenty nineteen actually changed everything. My coach left me in
Speaker 5: twenty nineteen to go get a degree overseas. Twenty twenty,
Speaker 5: I was aut of coach twenty twenty one. I was
Speaker 5: allowed to coach until like a couple of and that's
Speaker 5: when I moved to Miami and start training with coach Joey.
Speaker 5: And I was still doing four hundred training. For the
Speaker 5: four hundred training, you gotta have somebody there just just
Speaker 5: to push you. The four hundred just started getting born.
Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden, I'm just like, let
Speaker 5: me just try this. My ankle got rolled and stuff,
Speaker 5: and then I was running on the hurt leg and
Speaker 5: that's when God bless me, I said, I don't know
Speaker 5: what's next. And then that's when the hundred just came.
Speaker 5: I ran a hundred at a meat I mean attract
Speaker 5: me in Florida, and that's when the repetitions started becoming easy.
Speaker 2: And that's when I dropped my first nine and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to the Olympics.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm running the one hundred at the Olympics this year, right,
Speaker 5: And a lot of people questioned me around me, even
Speaker 5: my coach questioned me at the time. But at the
Speaker 5: end of the day, I'm always gonna believe in myself,
Speaker 5: my self ability. I won't get into something if I
Speaker 5: know I'm not gonna be good at it.
Speaker 1: Because it's rare. Now. We see people do the four
Speaker 1: drop down to the tube because of the strength training,
Speaker 1: so you're really good. We see people do the two
Speaker 1: drop down to the hundred. I think, what was the
Speaker 1: guy he went to LSU Zavier he won the four
Speaker 1: hundred hundreds and the man yeah, man, he won the
Speaker 1: four and the one and the sec at LSU and
Speaker 1: so he's having a problem. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: I've ever seen anybody do what you've done, But it's
Speaker 1: the times that's most impressive, to go slub forty four,
Speaker 1: to go sub nineteen eight, to go slub nine to eight.
Speaker 1: But for me, do you know anybody else that's ever
Speaker 1: done that? Yeah? I do, besides yourself.
Speaker 5: Now, I don't know nobody. But for me, it's just
Speaker 5: like it's all about people tell me I can't. I
Speaker 5: hate the world I can't. That will make me want
Speaker 5: to do it even more. Oh, you can't do this,
Speaker 5: you can't do that. Oh Like I heard that plenty
Speaker 5: of time when I'm younger. So that's why I'm gonna
Speaker 5: go do it. And every time somebody say I can't,
Speaker 5: I've been successful and hey, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: So I can't complain about what God gave me in
Speaker 5: my heart to do.
Speaker 2: He pushed me to greater things.
Speaker 5: So when somebody said I can't, that's when I'm gonna
Speaker 5: do it, just like I wi mosso on o chosinko
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 4: Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on, Hey, hey, you
Speaker 4: know why you ran forty four right?
Speaker 1: But you chasing it now?
Speaker 2: Asking who he trained with, yo, that was yo. He
Speaker 2: came to the track like one or two Tom.
Speaker 3: Who he flew flew by.
Speaker 1: You know what, after you.
Speaker 2: Started, he started training for boxing because I beat him.
Speaker 4: So bad, he flew by and he was like, I
Speaker 4: didn't know you was that fast to beat this old
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I'm like that.
Speaker 1: So if this, if this band is lifted, I don't
Speaker 1: think there's anything next year but the USA, and then
Speaker 1: there's the World in the twenty seven and then you
Speaker 1: got the Olympics in twenty eight.
Speaker 5: So what what is your immediate plans. I'm still running.
Speaker 5: I'm still running to get I got a salary. Okay yo,
Speaker 5: I got a salary, I got equity in the company.
Speaker 5: So I'm still running and still run freely. You know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, You can't. People can't to dam be
Speaker 5: of my success. Like like I said, I ain't really
Speaker 5: missed no test. All the mistests I miss I would
Speaker 5: attract me mm hmm Okay, So I'm not caring about
Speaker 5: nothing what people say. But people got to go into
Speaker 5: the details and stuff. See, they not popping people on drugs.
Speaker 5: They popping people will whereabouts. Yeah, so they're not really
Speaker 5: doing their job. And guess what, I got drug tests
Speaker 5: the next day after the mistest. I'm not caring about
Speaker 5: no mistests. I know what's really going down, and.
Speaker 2: We explained to them too, just because I'm a mayor.
Speaker 1: Just because I go ahead, go ahead, sorry to cut
Speaker 1: you off.
Speaker 2: Just because like like I have, I had a rough
Speaker 2: year and I can't complain, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's just like just gotta do better. Is it
Speaker 1: a situation? They don't give your heads up, They just
Speaker 1: need you, so they call you, say an hour.
Speaker 2: It's no cause, Yeah, there's no cast, none of that.
Speaker 3: They gotta they gotta see at.
Speaker 2: Least it's none of that. It's none of that.
Speaker 5: That's not fair that it's none of that. So the
Speaker 5: problem of tracking feel like you're not making no money.
Speaker 5: That's how they make their money. That's why USC dropped them.
Speaker 5: Yeah the drug test, Yeah yeah, out of test, So
Speaker 5: they're not really doing their due diligence and stuff. With
Speaker 5: everything you I heard you keep saying American's Americans.
Speaker 1: Do you feel that this system is set up to
Speaker 1: catch Americans while other countries possibly because everybody don't test
Speaker 1: like that like the American.
Speaker 2: Right now, I feel like we live in a time where.
Speaker 5: That Peter of late the old g's and stuff back
Speaker 5: in the day, fucked it up for sorry for customs,
Speaker 5: but they messed it up for us.
Speaker 2: Okay, how so you are't know just the old g
Speaker 2: messed it up for us, Like.
Speaker 5: Okay, so I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't
Speaker 5: care about getting tested. You can test me every day,
Speaker 5: every minute of the hour. So it's just like OG
Speaker 5: messed it up for us.
Speaker 1: So in other words, is like those guys were like, well,
Speaker 1: I wasn't there and I'm sorry. And so that's why
Speaker 1: they put the whereabout claws in because when they wanted
Speaker 1: to test, guys said, well, I was over here, I
Speaker 1: was over there. So now they make y'all every quarter.
Speaker 1: So every three months, you guys gotta feel like, well,
Speaker 1: i'm gonna be in Miami, I'm gonna be in l A,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in Texas, I'm gonna be in Georgia.
Speaker 2: You know, well, give them every address.
Speaker 5: If I go out to eat, I gotta put that
Speaker 5: address in, Like right now, I gotta put this address
Speaker 5: every minute they can show up.
Speaker 1: Now they do it too much now, y'all.
Speaker 5: Yo, it's like we in prison, like you got every hour,
Speaker 5: every everywhere you go. You gotta do training block. You
Speaker 5: gotta give them an hour if you leave the house
Speaker 5: to go down the street. Hey, they gotta know everything.
Speaker 5: And that's what people don't realize. Like I don't ca yo,
Speaker 5: you can come and test me anytime, But like filling
Speaker 5: this stuff out every minute, every second is just like
Speaker 5: bro y'are doing too much that in vey.
Speaker 2: Of privacy and stuff too. When we go overseas, we
Speaker 2: gotta fill out every minute, every second everywhere. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, everywhere you go.
Speaker 1: If I go to a.
Speaker 2: Funeral right now, they gotta know where I'm at at
Speaker 2: the funeral.
Speaker 5: People popping people popping up at restaurants to test us,
Speaker 5: people popping up at airport to test us.
Speaker 2: Damn. Yeah, It's basically like we in a plantation.
Speaker 5: Wow, and the outside world don't know what's actually going
Speaker 5: on because you got people that actually own the stuff
Speaker 5: but never getting caught because they're getting paid off. You
Speaker 5: got active cases right now in track and field that
Speaker 5: Usider and Water is not doing nothing about.
Speaker 2: Because they're getting paid off.
Speaker 1: Damn. That's a pretty strong accusation, Fred, there's no as
Speaker 1: the facts is the facts, simple as that, and they
Speaker 1: know it.
Speaker 5: They got cases going on right now. You can come
Speaker 5: and test me any day of the week, and I'm
Speaker 5: not tripping.
Speaker 2: I can show you my my my yo. We get
Speaker 2: every time we do drug tests. Stuff come to my phone.
Speaker 5: Negative negative, negative negative. I'm not tripping. Have you thought
Speaker 5: about transitioning to the football. You won't get it tested
Speaker 5: as much.
Speaker 2: No baseball, it's guaranteed money.
Speaker 1: Fred, you ain't played basketball in twenty years. You ain't
Speaker 1: f hit no people, I've been playing. Yo, I don't
Speaker 1: got the You don't yo. I can play. What's you
Speaker 1: gonna Fred? What position you're gonna play? Fred? Center field?
Speaker 1: You know they hit they hitting center field?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know my speed, I know how to catch.
Speaker 5: You can Hey, I know you hear somewhere in this
Speaker 5: town where I'm at. You can come check me out.
Speaker 5: Hold on, you can hit the ball. Yes, I can
Speaker 5: hit the ball.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not in Miami. I'm talking to Uncle Was say,
Speaker 2: let go to the bat caage this weekend. Are you
Speaker 2: gonna be here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know I was.
Speaker 3: I was a five too, like you know, they were.
Speaker 4: Trying to know you're good at everything. No, I promise,
Speaker 4: I promise. You know the mall that try to draft
Speaker 4: me in ninety seven out.
Speaker 5: Of highspital y'all, Florida, Ya, Florida guys, y'all gotta stop,
Speaker 5: not for real.
Speaker 3: That's like when I beat you when we was out
Speaker 3: that training.
Speaker 1: Like you, I know, I know one of the greatest
Speaker 1: runners in the American here.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: You ain't let this man come off the street and
Speaker 1: beat you.
Speaker 2: Fred Yo, you talk about to hey, he thinks he
Speaker 2: good at everything.
Speaker 1: You see what he thought?
Speaker 2: You were about to get a soccer ticket to look
Speaker 2: at him?
Speaker 1: You think you're good at every? Damn man.
Speaker 2: Be honest right here now. I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't beat you when we ran two fifties.
Speaker 2: I ain't never done on two fifteen training in years.
Speaker 2: So what you talking about?
Speaker 1: What we were doing that day?
Speaker 2: How were we doing? I think what one fifty we
Speaker 2: were doing something?
Speaker 1: I ran it with you. I don't know what were doing.
Speaker 1: I blew bio mans. I know that.
Speaker 2: I just want to know what we're doing. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Hey, we came up this weekend.
Speaker 4: Oh hey, I got my camera ready, Well, bring your
Speaker 4: camera out. I've been training. I don't you've been training?
Speaker 1: Hey? You just I train every day? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you probably be like your glasses wip sided when
Speaker 2: I get done with you.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, you can't keep that same energy. Matter of fact,
Speaker 3: I feel so good.
Speaker 1: I give you five meters. Huh.
Speaker 2: If you I'm doing, I give you ninety nine meters
Speaker 2: when we go one hundred meters?
Speaker 1: What what you're running on your You wanted to be
Speaker 1: a forty you want forty sixty one hundred, two hundred,
Speaker 1: four hundred. You know what.
Speaker 2: I don't want to handicap him.
Speaker 3: I want to give him a chance to actually try
Speaker 3: to catch up.
Speaker 2: So I'm we'll go. We'll go eighty meters.
Speaker 1: Eighty meters? How much?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first for the first the first sixty you've done.
Speaker 2: You ain't no chance. The first thing ain't be t oh.
Speaker 4: Hey that's my dog. Ca't b t o that's my dog.
Speaker 4: But listen, I'm a different horse. I'm a different thoroughbred.
Speaker 4: I mean the fact I beat you.
Speaker 3: You are a world class athlete, you're a world class sprinter,
Speaker 3: and I smoked you. And I'm just being honest in
Speaker 3: front of the people. The world needs to know.
Speaker 2: The world need to know that you're the biggest cap
Speaker 2: in the history of sports.
Speaker 3: I ain't even got no I got a cap right here.
Speaker 2: That's about it.
Speaker 1: Fred, We're gonna get you out of here. This one handicap,
Speaker 1: the two hundred fours you got, hey, you gotta uh.
Speaker 1: Noah the Jamaican ran really good today. He broke it down,
Speaker 1: but he looked really good. And then you got Obviotionally,
Speaker 1: you got Tobogo, you got Kenned be narried. How you
Speaker 1: see the podium?
Speaker 2: Hm?
Speaker 5: Hm the podium. I feel like Noah's gonna take it.
Speaker 5: Tobogo second and Jamaican third. Wow wow, because but I believe,
Speaker 5: but I believe somebody is injured.
Speaker 2: And three of them so I don't know. They three
Speaker 2: of them look injured.
Speaker 1: But you never know.
Speaker 3: So you could tell, you could tell the injured by
Speaker 3: just by watching.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm an athlete. I'm I'm like a track athlete,
Speaker 5: so you can tell. You can tell people uh forcing
Speaker 5: their runs and stuff too. So so those are four
Speaker 5: people gonna be on the podium regardless, but you never know, right,
Speaker 5: So you think, you think, and you think, no, it's
Speaker 5: gonna no, It's gonna take it because I feel like
Speaker 5: he got something to prove because of what happened last year.
Speaker 1: But you never know.
Speaker 2: Tobogo sneaky motive.
Speaker 1: Man nor came out with the short today. I don't
Speaker 1: think I've ever seen no running shorts.
Speaker 2: Now, no one would be running the shorts. But I
Speaker 2: feel like he got something to prove.
Speaker 5: So I feel like I feel like we're gonna see
Speaker 5: some some nasty stuff in Tokyo in a couple of hours.
Speaker 1: Wow. So you think you think he's still seething from
Speaker 1: losing that two hundred in the Olympics getting the bronze
Speaker 1: because he really wants to go. I mean the gold medal.
Speaker 1: I think the gold, but like you said, the two
Speaker 1: hundred of his baby, and he has yet to get
Speaker 1: the metal. He's stand on the top of the podium
Speaker 1: at the Olympics, and so he's like coming back, Look here, Tobo.
Speaker 2: He got he's got something to proof, like he got
Speaker 2: something to proof and definitely and the deuce.
Speaker 5: I feel like he got something to prove, and I
Speaker 5: feel like he gonna show the world with Noah's all
Speaker 5: we've been knowing. So I feel like he got something
Speaker 5: to proving it too. But Tobogo always sneaky. He probably
Speaker 5: he probably faking like he got injured and just show up.
Speaker 1: What what kind of time you think you're looking at?
Speaker 2: What? What?
Speaker 1: What is he going? If I mean the nineteen th
Speaker 1: he ran nineteen fifty one, which was the World League.
Speaker 1: I feel like they're going.
Speaker 2: I feel like they're gonna be between nineteen three and
Speaker 2: nineteen seven.
Speaker 1: Wo wow.
Speaker 2: I feel like you're gonna be something fast.
Speaker 1: Wow wow.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be something fast, and I won't be surprised
Speaker 5: nineteen two, But I feel like nineteen three to nineteen
Speaker 5: seven that is gonna be the winning times.
Speaker 1: You think they're in that kind of condition.
Speaker 5: I feel like, hey, that's his last race of the year.
Speaker 5: He did what he gotta do, and they did some
Speaker 5: of them, probably draw some of the races. I feel
Speaker 5: like history always be determined when championship come. The real
Speaker 5: dog come at championship and no approval over the years,
Speaker 5: they always show up, So he probably gonna show up.
Speaker 1: How do you like the women? Jerika Jackson looked good.
Speaker 1: She ran twenty twenty one, ninety nine, You got MJ.
Speaker 1: Melissa Jefferson would feel like gonna I feel like Melissa
Speaker 1: gonna win the two hundred. Hey hey she said some people.
Speaker 5: Up this year, Yeah, so did Like I can't like
Speaker 5: my one is like, that's her, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: The other two Sarika probably be on the podium, and
Speaker 5: the third don't. I don't know about the third because
Speaker 5: it's all over the place. Because you know, we got
Speaker 5: some faces that fighting just to run some of them
Speaker 5: times in the semi final.
Speaker 1: Right, all right, Fred, thanks for joining us tonight. We
Speaker 1: wish you the best of luck and your appeal of
Speaker 1: the suspension. Whatever your endeavors are, we wish you the
Speaker 1: best of luck. Man, stay healthy and come back and
Speaker 1: join us soon. Yes, sir, appreciate it. Appreciate you, bros. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Fred Curly joins us tonight. He's a he's a very
Speaker 1: unique athlete, O Joe. As I said before, to run
Speaker 1: sub forty four, to run sub nineteen eight, to run
Speaker 1: some nine to eight, he's special. He's special. And to
Speaker 1: drop down from the four all the way down to
Speaker 1: the hundred, like I said, we've seen him drop down
Speaker 1: from forty two. We've seen guys go to go to
Speaker 1: two to one, but we've seen guys do four eight,
Speaker 1: but we've never seen I mean to do this and
Speaker 1: do it at this level. That's that's one thing with you.
Speaker 1: I mean doing it, it's one thing. Doing it at
Speaker 1: that level is something entirely different. So hopefully everything works
Speaker 1: out for him and he'll be back running soon. I
Speaker 1: didn't know all the things what he's seeing. You know
Speaker 1: about all the showing up and the testing and not
Speaker 1: making anything, not making any money, I didn't know anything
Speaker 1: about that. But I'm glad we were able to get
Speaker 1: this thing done