WEBVTT - I Like You Maximumly with AJ McLean

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<v Speaker 1>Hell I Suck At Dating with Denglert and Jared Haven

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<v Speaker 1>and I heard radio podcast What is Up, Sucky Daters.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to an all new episode of Help I Suck

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<v Speaker 1>At Dating. I don't know if you guys believe this

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<v Speaker 1>or not, but we are only three weeks away from

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand one. That is absolutely mind blowing to me. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Jared and myself and we have a very special

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<v Speaker 1>episode for you guys today. We have a j McClean

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<v Speaker 1>of the Backstreet Boys is gonna be joining us today.

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<v Speaker 1>Cheryl Burke Dancing with the Stars is gonna be joining

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<v Speaker 1>us today. They have their own podcast, well podcast podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a podcast, it's podcasts pretty much. And Rene Alizondo

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<v Speaker 1>Alizondo are gonna be joining us is today as well.

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<v Speaker 1>They're the host of Pretty Messed Up. We're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>to them a little bit later, but before we do that,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to talk to Jared because Jared, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like we haven't really had a chance to talk lately.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always been co host guests, so we've never really

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<v Speaker 1>had the you know, the one on one interaction that

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<v Speaker 1>I really strive for a weekend and week out. Where

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<v Speaker 1>are you in the world right now. I'm in Santa Monica. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're back in l A, are you? So? How's

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<v Speaker 1>the house? Have you seen it? Have you been to

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<v Speaker 1>the land? Are you guys building? Well? I know you

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<v Speaker 1>guys just bought a brand new house, right it is

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<v Speaker 1>a brand new it's currently being built. The house. Kaylin's

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<v Speaker 1>grandparents lived close by. They walked over and took a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of it. It's you know, it's framed out. That's

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<v Speaker 1>about as far as they've gotten. Still about four or

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<v Speaker 1>five months away from being finished. But have you guys

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<v Speaker 1>seen it in person? We have seen it in person. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny actually because I just started talking about this

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<v Speaker 1>and Caitlin looks over at me and she's she like grimaces,

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<v Speaker 1>and she says, you told them that we're buying a

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<v Speaker 1>house because I guess, like, like I said, we're still

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<v Speaker 1>early stages and so you know, we haven't obviously officially

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<v Speaker 1>gotten the keys yet, so we don't want to jakes anything.

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<v Speaker 1>But um, you're just putting it out into the universe,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all. Yeah, Well, it's gonna be embarrassing, like for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason, we don't get qualified for our mortgage alone.

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<v Speaker 1>But will make great content. So either way, we're good

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<v Speaker 1>on this podcast. Yeah, we're turning out content. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>that's the most important thing. If we turned out enough

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<v Speaker 1>content on this podcast, maybe we'll be able to afford

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<v Speaker 1>a house eventually, you know. Yeah in l A. That

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<v Speaker 1>is right right, right right, which would be great. So

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<v Speaker 1>so that's where we're at. Uh, we're hopefully I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I like did a good job of explaining

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<v Speaker 1>this last time, but so we're buying a house in

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<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas, near Caitlin's grandparents center and uncle, um, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's in a little suburb we both really like and

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<v Speaker 1>it's close to her family. But then we're also going

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<v Speaker 1>to be signing a lease here in Los Angeles to

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<v Speaker 1>rent a house because we want to be in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 1>but we also want to have the option to be

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<v Speaker 1>in Las Vegas close to her family. So we're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of gonna be back and forth. Um, But obviously l

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<v Speaker 1>A is just too expensive, so we're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>buy in l A. So that's kind of where we're at. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're telling us, you're telling me last week that you

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<v Speaker 1>guys are buying a house and leasing a place in

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<v Speaker 1>l A. Makes me so much more comfortable with the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of purchasing a home in Rhode Island and still

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<v Speaker 1>renting a place in l A. Yeah, that was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of our dream scenario for the next couple of years,

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<v Speaker 1>where we could be bi coastal. I mean, we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>if we can actually do it or not. And for

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<v Speaker 1>the longest time, I was like, there's no way we're

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<v Speaker 1>not doing that. We're not spending the money, We're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do it. Well, I don't know much about the

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<v Speaker 1>Rhode Island real estate market, but I eventually it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>smilar to the Vegas real estate market, where a lot

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<v Speaker 1>goes a long way. Uh, it does, and it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Rhode Island surprisingly is it's certainly not like expensively expensive,

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<v Speaker 1>like if you're going to Boston or Los Angeles, New York.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's it's it flies off like the housing market.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure this is countrywide is crazy right now,

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<v Speaker 1>like nothing is on Zillo for more than twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 1>It's insane. But but you, like you said, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>like you guys, buying a house and renting for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's just because we're not alone makes me feel

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<v Speaker 1>super more comfortable being like, Okay, maybe we can purchase

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<v Speaker 1>a home within the next year, so and still rent

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<v Speaker 1>our place in l A for the next two years. Right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't Actually sisters still live with you guys in

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<v Speaker 1>l A. Or no, is that over? No? No, no, no no.

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<v Speaker 1>She's been down here for odd nine ten months now.

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<v Speaker 1>She lives with her boyfriend down here in Rhode Island

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<v Speaker 1>in Virginia, Virginia, right right, right, I guess I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say it's it's it would have been kind of

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<v Speaker 1>nice to have her paying helping pay rent because then

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of obviously a le based a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>the cost. Yeah. Now she lived with us for free

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time, right family, you know, freeloaders. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>it's crazy. So so in l A. Um, that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of one thing that we're doing is one of my

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<v Speaker 1>really good friends who Kylin is fond of, is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be signing a lease with us in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 1>So it'll be nice to like we don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>shoulder the whole burden of an entire rental agreement. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then obviously we can help start paying our more

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<v Speaker 1>because there and the house that we're hoping to get

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<v Speaker 1>here in l A. Is pretty big. It's like a

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<v Speaker 1>big four bedroom in Venice. So it's like enough space

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<v Speaker 1>for us all to kind of, you know, not being

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<v Speaker 1>each other's faces all day long, but still affordable enough

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<v Speaker 1>for it to make sense for us. Yeah, you need

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<v Speaker 1>your own room. That's what I've discovered. I remember a

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<v Speaker 1>buddy of mine who has been married for quit some time,

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<v Speaker 1>when Ashley and I first got together and engaged, He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you, just at one point, wherever you guys go,

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<v Speaker 1>just make sure you have your own room. What does

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<v Speaker 1>that mean? Like, what do you put an office that's

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<v Speaker 1>just to yourself? Like whatever? It is just a room

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<v Speaker 1>that you're able to go in and just be surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>by whatever you like. For me, that's Tom Brady posters, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Superman posters, anything Boston sports related. And it really has

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<v Speaker 1>made all the difference because Lauren lived with us in

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<v Speaker 1>our apartment for a couple of years in l A.

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<v Speaker 1>And when she moved out, her room became like an

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<v Speaker 1>office slash man cave, and it's freaking awesome. Man. It

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<v Speaker 1>makes like it's a It makes for a healthier relationship

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<v Speaker 1>between Ashley and I because like when she's watching whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>she wants to watch in the living room, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>can go to my room and just like play a

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<v Speaker 1>video game and and do whatever the hell I want

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Telling you, man, that's the key to make sure. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>wherever you guys go, you just are able to have

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<v Speaker 1>your own room. Well, so the house that we have

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<v Speaker 1>perspectively bought is a three bed, two bath, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we have the master bedroom, and and we assumed one

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<v Speaker 1>bedroom would be hers and the other bedroom would be mine.

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<v Speaker 1>So TBD. But I agree with that. And it's funny

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<v Speaker 1>because I remember going to your apartment for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw, like obviously everything is like is decorated seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>by Ashley, and then you go into the man cave

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<v Speaker 1>room and it still is very well decorated. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to point out, Uh, it's not like because like when

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<v Speaker 1>I think man cave or like when I think about

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<v Speaker 1>when I was decorating my rooms, it was like a

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<v Speaker 1>college dorm room, you know, like you have like just

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<v Speaker 1>posters on the wall that aren't framed or anything. But

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<v Speaker 1>your man cave actually is like it's like an upgraded

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<v Speaker 1>version of all of the things that we did when

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<v Speaker 1>we're in college. You know what I mean, well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to say that Ashley didn't have a hand

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<v Speaker 1>in that, right. Well, I wanted to decorate it exactly

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<v Speaker 1>how I wanted it to be. She you know, x

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<v Speaker 1>that out and that was impossible. So it was like

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<v Speaker 1>a compromise. I'd say seventy was was first. She just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted it to be you know, pristine. Um, but we'll see,

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<v Speaker 1>we shall see. I remember when you came over. That

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<v Speaker 1>was the time I kicked dressing Madden. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>good night I was. I was so confident to I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I've never lost a game of Madden into

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<v Speaker 1>my life. And then I get roasted about like thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five against you. I played well that day of my friend. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So I did want to talk about Christmas gifts because

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<v Speaker 1>it's the holiday season. Obviously, I'm assuming you're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>something for Kaylin for Christmas, and I was thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm gonna get for ash and I was looking

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<v Speaker 1>it up online and I came across this article. It's

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<v Speaker 1>on a website called Money, Money under thirty. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what that is, but the point is it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good article and it's called Love and Money Get gift giving. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>this Christmas. Uh, and pretty much it's the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>like changing your whole uh, changing like the perspective of

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas gift giving. Like she she makes the argument that, like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't just get something for the fact of getting something,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Like my parents did that all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love my parents and I would never change that.

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<v Speaker 1>But like the amount of times they've gotten me button

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<v Speaker 1>down shirts or jackets that I legitimately have never worn

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<v Speaker 1>in my life. Like there is this green and black

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<v Speaker 1>plaid shirt that I always have in my closet and

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<v Speaker 1>my parents got it for me like seven years ago

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<v Speaker 1>for Christmas from Express that I've never worn, and I

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<v Speaker 1>tell myself every year I'm going to wear it. But

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<v Speaker 1>then I look at it and I'm like, I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to do it. I don't want to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this article says, you know, everybody has different

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<v Speaker 1>love languages, and so I'm trying to change the way

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<v Speaker 1>I give gifts. So instead of you know, being like,

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<v Speaker 1>well what should I get Ashley, you know, something practical,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think of gifts in a way of

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<v Speaker 1>giving them an experience. So, for example, for our anniversary

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<v Speaker 1>this year, instead of getting ash you know a gift that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like a toaster, that would be a horrible gift.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what I'm going at with this one.

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<v Speaker 1>I got her a weekend getaway at Monarch, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a resort in southern California, and I figured I put

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<v Speaker 1>my money to good use there to create an experience,

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<v Speaker 1>like a romantic getaway. So my what I'm saying is, Dean,

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<v Speaker 1>have you thought about what you're gonna get for Kalin

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<v Speaker 1>and are you thinking you might get her more of

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<v Speaker 1>an experience. Are you that type of gift giver or

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<v Speaker 1>you more of like a practical gift giver. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a question. Was that it was that a sponsored plug

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<v Speaker 1>for Monarch Resorts in southern California. It was not. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I I got I got it as an actual gift.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they were very you know, I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>say I didn't reach out to them, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>very kind in certain aspects. But no, that was not

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<v Speaker 1>a plug. Look, I respect the hustle on or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh No, I agree with that because I'm the same

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<v Speaker 1>way too. It's and I always kind of tell her

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<v Speaker 1>when she's always like, what do you want me to

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<v Speaker 1>get you for Christmas, I'm like, listen, if I want

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<v Speaker 1>to if I want something, I'm gonna go out and

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<v Speaker 1>get it myself. Like there's nothing that you can get

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<v Speaker 1>me that I don't already have, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Because if I want it bad enough, I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>get it essentially, uh, And so I fully agree with that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know, I don't necessarily need something that's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna uh sit around and collect dust for the next

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<v Speaker 1>seven years. All the brown and green button up that

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<v Speaker 1>your parents got all those years ago. I really hope

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<v Speaker 1>my parents told listen to this podcast, really, son of

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<v Speaker 1>a bitch, even more than one, he never wore that shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>You should walk like next once once you can like

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<v Speaker 1>go to an event again, you should like walk a

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<v Speaker 1>red carpet in the event and like send it to them.

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<v Speaker 1>It'd be funny anyways. Um, I definitely think that the

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<v Speaker 1>experience is a better gift than like a product in

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<v Speaker 1>a sense. It's like, I don't know, it's I think

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<v Speaker 1>it also shows more thought. Yeah. And the nice thing

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<v Speaker 1>about that too is like I remember when I was

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, uh, Like my mom would always get presents

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<v Speaker 1>for like the kids, or for my dad or something

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<v Speaker 1>but she would, like she would always get them a movie, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>like she would get my brother a movie, right, my

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<v Speaker 1>brother loves getting movies and watching movies, but she would

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<v Speaker 1>always get him a movie that she wanted to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>So then like they would all want like he gets

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<v Speaker 1>the satisfaction of getting a gift, but then she gets

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<v Speaker 1>to watch the movie that she wants to watch, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. The nice thing about a situation

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<v Speaker 1>like this is if you know, you get Ashley a

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<v Speaker 1>vacation to monarch, you get to go on that vacation

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<v Speaker 1>to monarch with her, so like you kind of got

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<v Speaker 1>to reap the benefits of the gift as well. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't the worst gift for me either, Right, It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a win win in a sense, So

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely agree with that. Like for our anniversary, I

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<v Speaker 1>got Kalen a trip to Japan, which hopefully is going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen in our lifetime at this rate. Who the

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<v Speaker 1>hell knows. Um Oh, I'm sorry it was for her birthday,

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<v Speaker 1>she corrected me. I sell you, I'm waited for that

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<v Speaker 1>because I saw you look it off to the side.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I'm pretty sure she's correcting him. Right now.

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<v Speaker 1>She literally just poked in for for one second and said,

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<v Speaker 1>it was my birthday. Uh, and I can fully agree

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<v Speaker 1>with that. Like I, you know, I want to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to Japan. She wants to go to Japan, and

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<v Speaker 1>we want to go together, and said the perfect way

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<v Speaker 1>to get a gift for that would be just to

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<v Speaker 1>get a gift for her to go with us. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. That was the worst day of saying that,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know what I mean, I agree with what

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying. Long story short, so I know, last last

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas actually got me a gift to Disney World because

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<v Speaker 1>I really wanted. They were opening up a new Star

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<v Speaker 1>Wars land with a great ride called the Rise of

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<v Speaker 1>Rise of the Resistance, and I could not wait to

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<v Speaker 1>go on this thing, and it was opening up in February.

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<v Speaker 1>So she planned a trip like at the end of February,

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<v Speaker 1>but we ended up canceling the trip because that's when

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<v Speaker 1>COVID started rising. We thought, well, welldre's wait and see

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<v Speaker 1>how this plays out. And then of course, obviously in

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of March everything should have gone. I know, right, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a question regarding the gift. The experiential gift

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<v Speaker 1>giving that you were talking about, do you think I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously it's changed a little bit during COVID, but what

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<v Speaker 1>are some other COVID friendly gifts, maybe like more experiential

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<v Speaker 1>gifts that you would recommend for people that are um listening. Well, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's tough right now because nobody knows what

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<v Speaker 1>the future holds. I mean, the vaccine is might be

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<v Speaker 1>getting approved as we speak. Uh, so we're all assuming

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<v Speaker 1>that normalcy will be returned, probably in the summer. So maybe, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know kind of like, uh, this is gonna sound stupid,

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<v Speaker 1>but like a gift card to kayak or maybe like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, plan the trip for September October. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, by plane tickets, so on and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to do an experience, I'm just all

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<v Speaker 1>four experiences. Unfortunately, you can't buy concert tickets right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to be a big concert ticket giver because

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was a great experience. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>you get to enjoy something music together. It's an experience

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<v Speaker 1>that you get to bond over, whether it be your

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<v Speaker 1>friends or significant other. It doesn't doesn't have to be

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<v Speaker 1>somebody that you're in a relationship with. Can be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>other family members, friends, co workers whoever. Maybe don't get

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<v Speaker 1>concert taking of coworkers because that's a little bit expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think you just I think it's so much

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<v Speaker 1>more fun trying to think of what a fun gift

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<v Speaker 1>could be instead of going through Amazon and being like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what I gotta get them something, so let me just

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<v Speaker 1>scroll through here. So instead of taking ten minutes scrolling

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<v Speaker 1>through Amazon trying to find a random product to buy someone,

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<v Speaker 1>take that ten minutes and think about, well, what is

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<v Speaker 1>this person, Like, what could I get for them? What's

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<v Speaker 1>what's creative? You know what? What would they have fun with?

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<v Speaker 1>That would be my advice. I have a question for you.

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<v Speaker 1>So Kalin has been talking a lot about getting this

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<v Speaker 1>new blender that she just she like just raves about

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<v Speaker 1>it all the time. Every time she uses our blender,

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, oh, this blender sucks. I want a new one.

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<v Speaker 1>And she always like shows me this very specif pick one,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel like she's like throwing subtle hints at me, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is a blender I want it's five just

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, and she like hasn't purchased it for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason. And I think that The reason she keeps

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<v Speaker 1>telling me about the blenders because she wants me to

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<v Speaker 1>get it for her for Christmas. But I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know a blender for Christmas? Like how it

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<v Speaker 1>just seems so impersonal, you know. I would say, don't

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<v Speaker 1>just get the blender. Get the blender because it's a

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<v Speaker 1>thoughtful gift. Because what else do I have to get?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe oh you know what, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>spending money on a blender, then instead of spending money

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<v Speaker 1>on another gift, why don't you get, like her, a

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<v Speaker 1>gift of like writer or a note. Sometimes I write

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley poems all the time. I write her rhyming poems, childish.

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<v Speaker 1>Will you give us an example? Um? Yeah, I guess. Um, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have any in front of me. But like

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<v Speaker 1>I remember one line was like, um, like my heart

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<v Speaker 1>is a lock and you have the key. Uh like

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<v Speaker 1>something like uh forever in the future, it's just you

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<v Speaker 1>and me, something like that. I know, very cute, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm quite endearing. Um, So do that, like, spend two

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<v Speaker 1>dollars on a card, get some crayons or markers, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you like, maybe some paint. She really want to go

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<v Speaker 1>over board and like get her like a really cute

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<v Speaker 1>see card along with the blenders. So the blender is

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<v Speaker 1>a practical gift that you're spending money on that she wants.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's also thoughtful because you remember that she wants it,

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<v Speaker 1>even though she probably reminds you daily. And then you

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<v Speaker 1>get like something very personal that's very cheap. But fuflet okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let me let me just continue to pilot the questions here.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say I get her five blender and she only

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<v Speaker 1>comes back with like a fifty dollar you know, pair

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<v Speaker 1>of shorts that I say I wanted. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that there should be an imbalance on Christmas gifts? Or

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<v Speaker 1>do you think you should set a limit on spending

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<v Speaker 1>before you go into the holidays, Like, hey, no more

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<v Speaker 1>than hundred dollars per person? Uh, what do you and

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley do? And what do you recommend we don't do

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<v Speaker 1>a cap I feel like it's just kind of known that, like, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>don't spend more than like two on me. Um. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's anything wrong with talking to your

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<v Speaker 1>significant other and saying, listen, I want to get you something,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully you want to get me something to Let's just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, let's not be stupid here, like, don't spend

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<v Speaker 1>more than like a hundred fifty bucks. Like I'll spend

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred fifty, you spend a hundred fifty, we'll call

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<v Speaker 1>it a day. I don't think that's really outrageous to ask.

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<v Speaker 1>What about? Do you think that's weird? Mark's coming on?

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go the husband's well, look, I've got some

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<v Speaker 1>experience in this area, Dean. That is best case scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>What you're describing is if you completely overwhelm her with

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing gift and she gets you something that's fine

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<v Speaker 1>shorts you asked for. That is a way tell me

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<v Speaker 1>what I can ride that for as long as you

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<v Speaker 1>want to. He has the upper hand, So coming come April,

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<v Speaker 1>I can say, hey, remember that Christmas President I got you.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that we're talking too saying lourda over her. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying through it in her face. I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 1>you can rest easy, you can sit back in the

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<v Speaker 1>easy chair and knowing that you did goodness, and she

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<v Speaker 1>can brag to her friends like it's all upside. That's

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<v Speaker 1>that's a fair point. I will say. The nice thing

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<v Speaker 1>about my situation is, let's say she underperforms on Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>and I just blow it out of the water. She's

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<v Speaker 1>got four months to plan for my birthday, which is

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<v Speaker 1>in April, and then I would you know, if if

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<v Speaker 1>she feels like she underperformed her mark situation here, then

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<v Speaker 1>she's gonna go all out for the birthday. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like investing. I guess four months on the line,

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<v Speaker 1>I get I respected, I respected. That makes a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of sense. And plus you get to like use it

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<v Speaker 1>when you're in a fight. I was gonna say, like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't throw it in her face, but like, next time

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<v Speaker 1>you guys fight, you can be like, oh, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>remember those shorts you got me for Christmas and this

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<v Speaker 1>five dollar piece jewelry I got you blend shorts and

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<v Speaker 1>the blender. Yeah listen, the blender is a good gift.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a big smoothie guy, so I would love a blender.

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<v Speaker 1>Why not? Um? All right, Well that's enough for Christmas gifts,

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<v Speaker 1>So hope, I would love to know what you guys

0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.400
<v Speaker 1>out there Suck Army is gonna get. Uh. I would

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<v Speaker 1>love some ideas for Christmas. So if you guys want

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<v Speaker 1>to d M S email us comment under one of

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<v Speaker 1>our pictures let us know where you're getting your significant

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<v Speaker 1>other for Christmas, because I'm always open to the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of uh, I just like to know. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>know what people are getting because it gives me ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, So this is really just for me selfishly,

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<v Speaker 1>let me know what I should get Ashley. But coming up,

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<v Speaker 1>we have the host of the podcast I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>podcast Pretty Messed Up, A J. Cheryl and Renee coming

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<v Speaker 1>up next. Before we talk to them, let's take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick break. Hey, welcome back to help I suck at dating.

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<v Speaker 1>We have some very special guest on the podcast right now.

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<v Speaker 1>You know them. They are the host of the I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio podcast Pretty Messed Up. It is A J. McClean,

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<v Speaker 1>Cheryl Burke in Renee Elizondo. How are you I Love

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<v Speaker 1>your guys title of your podcast? Yes, true? Do you guys? Really?

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<v Speaker 1>You guys suck at dating? Oh my gosh, are you kidding?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, we made a whole career out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But ask my wife. My wife will definitely say I

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<v Speaker 1>suck at dating. But whoever says that they're good at it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like, oh, yeah, there's no such thing. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>our podcast has something in common with your podcast kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like the self deprecation because you guys just called

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<v Speaker 1>pretty messed up, right, Yes, absolutely so, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the same, you know, within the same realm at least

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<v Speaker 1>isn't really self deprecating. It's actually just facts. Yeah, totally. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's that side too. Well, I want to know what

0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:02.080
<v Speaker 1>you eyes think it means to be pretty messed up.

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<v Speaker 1>But first, seeing Cheryl how you brought it up, I

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<v Speaker 1>have to ask each one of you, do you guys

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<v Speaker 1>suck at dating? Well? Yeah, fair question, a j what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think you think? Uh? Yeah, well because I

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I really picked some winners back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm being very sarcastic when I say that, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because you because you always kind of get

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<v Speaker 1>get what you put out. And you know, I back

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<v Speaker 1>when I was in my party days, I was definitely

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<v Speaker 1>wrangling some real, real winners. And it was not pretty.

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<v Speaker 1>It always ended poorly and quickly. It it was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>messed up. Until I met my wife in two thousand nine,

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<v Speaker 1>and like that literally was like, oh wow, holy crap,

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is different, Like she's not like any of

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<v Speaker 1>these other wackos that I dated before. She's actually grounded

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<v Speaker 1>and she's so sincere and she's sweet, and I ended

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<v Speaker 1>up marrying her. So there you go. You know you're

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<v Speaker 1>a lucky man. And Renee, what about you? You think

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<v Speaker 1>you sucked at dating? Suck at dating? I did. I'm married,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm married now, but I I sucked so badly. I

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<v Speaker 1>never I've never asked someone out on a date. And

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<v Speaker 1>and here's the weird part. I've been married twice and

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<v Speaker 1>I've never proposed what how did you get married? Some

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<v Speaker 1>information here? How do how do we not talk about

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<v Speaker 1>this on our podcast? I know it's kind of nuts

0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:30.520
<v Speaker 1>and and Britt, my wife, would probably hate that I

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<v Speaker 1>said this. Uh my first marriage, you guys know, was

0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:38.439
<v Speaker 1>with Janet. She said to me we should get married

0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:43.359
<v Speaker 1>and I said okay. And then with Britt it was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the same thing. She's like, hey, don't you

0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:53.080
<v Speaker 1>think we should get married? O? Super sucky. So so

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<v Speaker 1>they've been totally you you. I mean you had a

0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:57.800
<v Speaker 1>cop out, you copped out a little like you. Definitely

0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.760
<v Speaker 1>they made they made easy for you. I was so insecure,

0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:05.440
<v Speaker 1>I was so afraid of rejection that literally waited till

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<v Speaker 1>someone hit me over the head with a two by four.

0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.639
<v Speaker 1>Even the drugs and alcohol didn't help you. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of like to be off on my own

0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:21.520
<v Speaker 1>when I was drinking and drugging. Yeah. I have a question. So,

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<v Speaker 1>if you never asked other than to marry you, how

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<v Speaker 1>did the first dates then come about? If you didn't

0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:29.639
<v Speaker 1>ask them on the first dates either? Okay, so do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to go on a date the first the

0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:37.920
<v Speaker 1>first wife I we were talking on the phone constantly,

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<v Speaker 1>and then my friends were all saying, hey, she uh,

0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I think she likes you, And I'm like, no, wait,

0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:47.800
<v Speaker 1>what would she want to do with a dancer? That

0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:49.840
<v Speaker 1>was my whole thing. But I was like, but I'm

0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.479
<v Speaker 1>happy to talk to her. I felt she was just

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<v Speaker 1>lonely on the road, blah blah blah. And then one

0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:57.760
<v Speaker 1>one night she called. It was like she was in

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<v Speaker 1>Europe and it was like four in the morning, and

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<v Speaker 1>and um, she she said, I think I'm falling in

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<v Speaker 1>love with you. And then there was a lot of silence,

0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:11.640
<v Speaker 1>and then and then I said I think I am too,

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<v Speaker 1>And then there was longer silence, and I panicked. I

0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:18.720
<v Speaker 1>swear to God, true story. I panicked, and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I used to, but I don't anymore. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>and what did you get married? Like what did she saying?

0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:37.959
<v Speaker 1>She started laughing right and she was what what is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you or are you not? And I was like

0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:44.760
<v Speaker 1>are you and She's like yeah, she said, I already

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<v Speaker 1>told you. And I said it was like okay, me too,

0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:54.480
<v Speaker 1>and then we So there wasn't a dating I guess

0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:57.040
<v Speaker 1>there was a dating process. She came back from Europe

0:23:57.200 --> 0:24:00.959
<v Speaker 1>and we just started like hanging out every day and

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<v Speaker 1>then we moved in together. Then she said we should

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<v Speaker 1>get married, and I was like, right on, it was

0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:09.879
<v Speaker 1>really it was really hard for her though, too, you

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<v Speaker 1>know that. Yeah, that's when I said to my wife too,

0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:14.840
<v Speaker 1>I said, I was the first one that said I

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<v Speaker 1>love you. But I said, I think I'm falling in

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<v Speaker 1>love with you, even though I was in love with her.

0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:21.719
<v Speaker 1>And now listen, I'm an idiot. What can I say?

0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:23.760
<v Speaker 1>It was just more of like a security blanket in

0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:26.320
<v Speaker 1>case she said, oh, I'm kind of feeling the same way.

0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I could be like, well, I didn't say I was

0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:31.159
<v Speaker 1>in love with you. I said over with you. That

0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:33.919
<v Speaker 1>makes sexier than a man, just like owning up to it,

0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:37.240
<v Speaker 1>and just oh I was I was the shame when

0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:40.199
<v Speaker 1>because my my wife. I definitely a J. You were

0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:44.159
<v Speaker 1>definitely My wife does like special fakes makeup and beauty,

0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:46.320
<v Speaker 1>makeup and hair, and she was working on one of

0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:49.600
<v Speaker 1>our video shoots and she knew the guy that ran

0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 1>the catering company and she goes, yeah, so you know,

0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:55.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm actually dating one of the guys in the group.

0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:57.560
<v Speaker 1>And when I heard that, I freaked out. I'm like, yeah,

0:24:57.600 --> 0:24:59.920
<v Speaker 1>well when you know, we're not really but we're not really,

0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:03.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, like I didn't I didn't like the sound

0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:06.680
<v Speaker 1>of like boyfriend girlfriend, Like I didn't want that committed

0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:10.440
<v Speaker 1>like you. And then well because I was a freaking

0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:14.120
<v Speaker 1>insecure hot mess. So I think that's men in general.

0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 1>They don't like to tends like it's just like, Okay,

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:20.680
<v Speaker 1>there's a reason there's two guys hosting a podcast called

0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:24.560
<v Speaker 1>Help Not to Mind You. I can talk about this

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:26.360
<v Speaker 1>all day. This is great. I'll be honest. I don't

0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:27.919
<v Speaker 1>think i've ever I've never felt more seen on this

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:30.479
<v Speaker 1>podcast than just hearing both A J and Renee stories

0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:32.720
<v Speaker 1>right there. I feel like I feel like we've got,

0:25:32.840 --> 0:25:37.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, a big family going now. It's great. Yeah, yeah,

0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:41.159
<v Speaker 1>what you said about the sort of leaving yourself and

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:45.280
<v Speaker 1>now right. It comes from insecurity, where it's like I think,

0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:48.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm find that way if it falls flat, you're you're

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:51.560
<v Speaker 1>out right, You're like you girls do the same thing.

0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:54.360
<v Speaker 1>It's just different. You have to have a safety net.

0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 1>You just you just have to just for your own

0:25:57.040 --> 0:26:01.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, insecurity, life is life is too short. My wife, Britt,

0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:04.359
<v Speaker 1>who I've been married to, happily married. I'm so in

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:08.040
<v Speaker 1>love with her. I was on the slow boat. I

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:11.880
<v Speaker 1>was because I had been married befo on the slow

0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 1>boat I've been married before, and I was gun shy,

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:18.440
<v Speaker 1>and we were on a trip one day. We never

0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:21.280
<v Speaker 1>said I love you right, and then she and then

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:24.560
<v Speaker 1>she says on the plane, she goes, I just need

0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 1>to tell you something. I said, what time? She said,

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:34.199
<v Speaker 1>I like you maximumly? And then and then I go,

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:38.680
<v Speaker 1>I never heard of that. That was That was her

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 1>giving herself a now right. She said I like you maximumly.

0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:48.640
<v Speaker 1>And I said that sounds like love, right, and heard

0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:51.159
<v Speaker 1>that yeah, And I said that sounds like love and

0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:55.680
<v Speaker 1>she goes, yeah, it is. And I said, and I said,

0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:59.159
<v Speaker 1>I love you too. I think we got home. We

0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:02.000
<v Speaker 1>got home and I kept I thought, okay, this is

0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:03.639
<v Speaker 1>the way we talked now. So I would say I

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 1>love you, she wouldn't say it back, and then I'd

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:09.880
<v Speaker 1>say I love you, and then she wouldn't say it back.

0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:12.320
<v Speaker 1>And then I was like, wait, you're the one that

0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:16.400
<v Speaker 1>started this whole thing exactly. No, I wanted to hear

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 1>it once. You don't need to say it all the time.

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what, that's amazing. So a j I had.

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:30.919
<v Speaker 1>I had a question for you because you were just

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 1>recently obviously you danced with Cheryl and Dancing with the Stars,

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:36.439
<v Speaker 1>which Nive Schulman was on, and I heard that you

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 1>have a crazy catfish story. Can you tell it? Tell

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:44.000
<v Speaker 1>us about it? Uh? Yeah. So the Loman short of

0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:46.680
<v Speaker 1>it is, so back when my Space was a thing

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:49.879
<v Speaker 1>um which you know, for anyone out there that doesn't

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 1>know what my Space was supposed to be for, it

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 1>was a platform for new music and new artists to

0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 1>be heard. That's what it started as, and then it

0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 1>became basically her um. So uh yeah, for me, So

0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 1>I was I was single and I met this girl

0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 1>on my Space who actually the way we started talking,

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 1>she was talking magic about what I do for a living,

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:19.000
<v Speaker 1>and I was kind of offended and then she was joking,

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:23.240
<v Speaker 1>and so cut to we were talking every day and

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:26.639
<v Speaker 1>then we exchanged. We're talking on the phone, and I

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 1>keep trying to finally meet this person, and every single

0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 1>time it came to us meeting, something came up. Every

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 1>time to the point where she had to have emergency surgery,

0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 1>so she had to fly to another state to have

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 1>surgery or this, that and the other. I drove one night,

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:51.480
<v Speaker 1>left my dogs with just one bowl of food, grove

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 1>to Palm Springs because she was gonna be there at

0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 1>some type of hospital for something. I show up, she

0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:03.120
<v Speaker 1>got transferred. Um, and all the while Renee is like

0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:05.440
<v Speaker 1>him and I are already friends, and he's watching this

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 1>downward spiral that's happening with me. Then I asked her

0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:10.880
<v Speaker 1>to send me a video so I could see what

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:14.440
<v Speaker 1>she looks like. She sends me a video of another

0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:17.960
<v Speaker 1>girl who's paid she stole from. Then when I actually

0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>see what the girls supposed, he looks like she looks

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 1>like she's like twelve or thirteen, which freaked me that

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 1>f out. So this dude, this went on for almost

0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:31.800
<v Speaker 1>two years. There was never a point in your head

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:34.720
<v Speaker 1>where you were like, I'm a backstreet boy. Okay, what

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:40.240
<v Speaker 1>am I doing? So and then so so finally at

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 1>the precipice, I finally gave up. I started dating somebody else,

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 1>and I get a phone call from her brother saying

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:49.920
<v Speaker 1>that she had passed away, and I was like devastating

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:53.080
<v Speaker 1>because I'm like, I never met this person. Whatever. Whatever.

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Then she calls me a month later saying she was

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 1>she was. She was trying to hide from her ex boyfriend,

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 1>who was like partics, so she had to fake her

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 1>own depth. And I was like, yes, you can't blame

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:12.760
<v Speaker 1>anybody by yourself now. To give it a little contact.

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:16.560
<v Speaker 1>A j was living with me at the time, temporarily.

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:19.200
<v Speaker 1>He said he if he could kick He said if

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 1>he could kick it with me for two weeks and

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:24.080
<v Speaker 1>like a year later, I'm like, hey, dude, are you

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 1>gonna find the house? But he was. He had stopped

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 1>drinking and using drugs. We were we were just golfing

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 1>every day and everything, and what happens people in early sobriety,

0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:42.720
<v Speaker 1>it's what we call trading drugs. So he started getting

0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 1>his fix from this girl, this this intrigue. So he

0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 1>went as hard into that mystery as he did when

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 1>he was you know, drinking and drugging. So that's a

0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:01.480
<v Speaker 1>little context. That's that gives you an out a day

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the stars. Back then you could have been so so

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:09.200
<v Speaker 1>you never had the chance to actually meet her in person.

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:12.959
<v Speaker 1>Then if she even was a real person that, I

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:17.920
<v Speaker 1>have no idea she really is. She sent the picture

0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 1>she was like and I said, dude, year old, god,

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like a horror movie. So it was the

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 1>hat bigger than her. No, it was I just I

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 1>just have to know what was it that had you

0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 1>so enamored, like out of the gates, like, why were

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 1>you so invested in this person? Okay, well, ticket, I

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 1>had just gone through a really bad breakup and I

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 1>was like just not even thinking about dating. And the

0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 1>girl who I thought I was talking to was absolutely beautiful.

0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:58.680
<v Speaker 1>She had a lot of similarities with me. She was

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:01.960
<v Speaker 1>a musician, and I was just like really enamored with her.

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 1>So when I was in Nashville with the boys recording,

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:08.080
<v Speaker 1>I was telling all the all the you know boys

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 1>about this and they're like, dude, something seems off man,

0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 1>And so I that was my first time when I said, okay,

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>send me a video and she wouldn't do it. And

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 1>then all of a sudden, I get a message from

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the real girl whose picture she stole, and she goes,

0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, but you're talking to someone that's not me,

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 1>and I said, okay, prove it. So she made me

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 1>a freaking video and sent it to me the person

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 1>I thought I was talking to, and her voice was

0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:36.800
<v Speaker 1>different and all this stuff, and she's like bad. She goes,

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 1>somebody stole my identity and I feel bad for you.

0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 1>She goes, I'm actually engaged. I'm really happy, but I'm sorry,

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 1>and I do hope that you get this whole thing

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:48.560
<v Speaker 1>sorted out. And I was just crushed. And then then

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 1>it became like a Michigan to find out who the

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 1>hell this person is? Uhh yeah, such an addict? Oh yeah,

0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 1>who doing this to me? This person is go for it, Jared.

0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, Cheryl, I wanted to ask you,

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:11.600
<v Speaker 1>obviously about the podcast Pretty Messed Up. Um, So I

0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 1>want to know how you Renee and a J came

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:16.960
<v Speaker 1>together and decided, hey, we want to do this podcast.

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 1>We want to call it Pretty Messed Up. We are

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 1>just vulnerable and open up about everything in our lives.

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:23.880
<v Speaker 1>And Cheryl, you're married. You're married to Matthew Lawrence and

0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 1>as a huge Boy Meets World fan Ashley get out

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:29.880
<v Speaker 1>of here? Are you kidding me? I was at Uh,

0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:34.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm dropping d Dan, I'm dropping Monarch again. I was

0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 1>at Monarch a few weeks ago. It was my wife

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 1>and I as anniversary and I saw Ben Savage there

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>and very much that's awesome. So I saw Ben Savage

0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and I was like internally freaking out, and I called

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, listen, Ben Savage down here. I

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 1>have to go say hi. So he was so nice

0:33:51.880 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 1>when we said high. But anyway, long story short, she

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:57.120
<v Speaker 1>always says, uh, if anybody on the show, I'm most

0:33:57.120 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 1>like Jack Hunter. So uh, that's totally it makes me.

0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 1>I see it. Well, I'm not looks not he's much

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 1>better looking than me. But hair losing this time to

0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:11.560
<v Speaker 1>gush as for himself. You know, obviously I needed to

0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 1>take a moment for myself. But but Cheryl wanted to,

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 1>like I said, wanted to talk about why you guys

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 1>came together because all three of you were married. So

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:22.839
<v Speaker 1>what made you say, hey, let's do this podcast called

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:27.200
<v Speaker 1>pretty messed Up and be super vulnerable and just open up. Well,

0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:29.839
<v Speaker 1>I think that's just my personality in general. Right. Um,

0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't really sugarcoat much. Um. What you see is

0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 1>what you get to a fault, and also you know,

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:37.880
<v Speaker 1>in a good way, I guess, um. But you know,

0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 1>originally before I even met A. J. And Renee, we

0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 1>were all going to do our own podcast. I was

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 1>going to do mine, and I believe A J and

0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Renee they were going to do there. And Amy Sugarman,

0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, the producer from my Heart. She's a great

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 1>castide director, and she got us three together and we

0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:58.280
<v Speaker 1>basically met via zoom in March back when the pandemic

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:01.239
<v Speaker 1>just hit, and we basically I think it was like

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:02.920
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a chemistry test now that I

0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:06.719
<v Speaker 1>think about that, and we passed the test. And then

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 1>he told me he was doing Dancing with the Stars,

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:10.960
<v Speaker 1>So we would have basically have done this podcast with

0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:13.160
<v Speaker 1>or without Dancing with the Stars. Um. He told me

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 1>he was doing it, and I was like, well, yeah, no,

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:18.359
<v Speaker 1>you can request your pro dancer if you'd like. I've

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:20.680
<v Speaker 1>been on the show for twenty three seasons, um, and

0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 1>I kind of think I know how it works, right

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:28.239
<v Speaker 1>and twice right, yeah, back in nineteen sixty five. Has

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:34.360
<v Speaker 1>been a while, but yeah, yeah, totally. I'm not seventy,

0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm sixty two. Um, you look great for your age.

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:42.000
<v Speaker 1>It's the Asian and me thank you. But yeah, so

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 1>it just worked out where a j I basically low

0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:48.920
<v Speaker 1>down low threatened him to call Dina Kats and was like,

0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I want dance to Cheryl and then

0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:55.000
<v Speaker 1>cut two. We're still here to this day. Yeah, it

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 1>was a match made in heaven. To be honest, I mean,

0:35:57.120 --> 0:36:00.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, I mean I've I've been friends with

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Renee for the better part of twenty years, and you know,

0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:07.400
<v Speaker 1>I I had I had known who Cheryl is. Obviously

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 1>everyone you know, well, yeah, but hey, I've got I've

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 1>got my TMC stories. But um, you know I I

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 1>was really just kind of taken back by her story

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:20.880
<v Speaker 1>as well. And then since we started doing Dads with

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 1>the Stars, we've learned so much. And then on top

0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:26.520
<v Speaker 1>of that, doing the podcast, it's like we we've all

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:29.399
<v Speaker 1>three learned so much about each other and been able

0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 1>to be so exposed and so vulnerable and share our experience,

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 1>strength and hope, whether it's talking about mental health, recovery

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:40.000
<v Speaker 1>or just life on life's terms. You know, take your

0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:43.880
<v Speaker 1>celebrity hat off for five seconds and just be people

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:46.239
<v Speaker 1>like we're all people, were all equal, We're all we

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:48.680
<v Speaker 1>just have different you know, jobs, but we're all the

0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:51.640
<v Speaker 1>same people. So it's a it's a great show, and

0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:56.400
<v Speaker 1>we trust me. We have a blast in the show. Yeah,

0:36:56.440 --> 0:37:00.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean we we've had some moments. I mean definitely,

0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:02.600
<v Speaker 1>I just I just I don't know what happened to

0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:04.760
<v Speaker 1>me a couple of days ago, but Renee still teaches

0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:07.600
<v Speaker 1>me about it. We were cutting to a break and

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 1>it's like my my brain wanted to say something, but

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:13.799
<v Speaker 1>my mouth didn't keep going. So I basically said, Okay,

0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:15.400
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna cut to a commercial and we'll see you

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 1>guys in a minute. I'm like, what's like, what happen?

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I feel that that that part of the chemistry. First

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:30.040
<v Speaker 1>of all, backing up was that, uh yes, Amy, when

0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:33.440
<v Speaker 1>she when we talked a J and I talked with Amy,

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 1>she just said, Man, I have someone that would fit

0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:39.359
<v Speaker 1>right in with you guys. You guys rib each other

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:42.239
<v Speaker 1>all the time. She can give it out, she can

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 1>take it. We should meet and like you said, we

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 1>had we had several calls zoom calls to and and

0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:52.200
<v Speaker 1>everybody felt awesome. We got off the phone after meeting Cheryl,

0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:56.120
<v Speaker 1>We're like, oh, she's amazing, She's perfect, right, And I

0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:58.959
<v Speaker 1>think that on our end, on a J s in mind,

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 1>some of the chemistry kind of like you guys, is

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:05.680
<v Speaker 1>that I can rib him because I've known him for

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:09.000
<v Speaker 1>so long and and but it's always kind hearted. Like

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 1>the other day, a J when we had a zoom

0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:14.760
<v Speaker 1>call with a company. It was a business call and

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:17.479
<v Speaker 1>I knew some people and they so we all met

0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:24.400
<v Speaker 1>and they pair up celebrities with brands, right, And then

0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:27.799
<v Speaker 1>after the whole thing, Uh, I said, would you guys

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:32.200
<v Speaker 1>say that you're like pairing cool celebrities with brands? What

0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:34.839
<v Speaker 1>what do you want with a J? And then they

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:38.080
<v Speaker 1>all started laughing, you know, because I was ribbing him,

0:38:38.120 --> 0:38:40.080
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. And Agent said, he's the

0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:42.399
<v Speaker 1>only one they could do that. But now I think

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 1>it's Cheryl too, because Cheryl, like God, no filter at all, man,

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:53.279
<v Speaker 1>which is great because I I have diarrhea of the

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 1>mouth constantly, and thank god you can take it because

0:38:58.040 --> 0:38:59.720
<v Speaker 1>I can't say. I can't say that about all twenty

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:03.920
<v Speaker 1>three my partners that I've had, right, I'm sure that's

0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:07.920
<v Speaker 1>and that's when I stopped talking. Now, Well, I think

0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:09.880
<v Speaker 1>all of us were waiting with bated breath, is like,

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 1>is she gonna drop a name. I've gotten myself into

0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:17.000
<v Speaker 1>so much trouble before on my podcast that I won't mention.

0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I've been listening to your podcast. I gotta agree with

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:22.919
<v Speaker 1>you guys. You guys have great chemistry. It's a it's

0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:25.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun to listen to. I really suggest

0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:27.600
<v Speaker 1>everybody listening to the podcast right now go check out

0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Pretty Messed Up. It's super fun and a j You

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:31.800
<v Speaker 1>actually said something in the podcast that I had a

0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:34.680
<v Speaker 1>bone to pick, because you said your favorite Christmas movie

0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:38.880
<v Speaker 1>is Nightmare Before Christmas, And I'd argue, that's a Halloween movie. Yeah,

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:41.839
<v Speaker 1>everybody says that, Well that's like, look, you know how

0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 1>many people how many people say die Hard is not

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:50.440
<v Speaker 1>a Christmas movie? Well, movie, you don't listen to this movie?

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:54.879
<v Speaker 1>Why completely? Why the whole thing happens on Christmas? It's

0:39:54.880 --> 0:40:00.399
<v Speaker 1>a Christmas movie like this though, I mean, y okay,

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:02.959
<v Speaker 1>well not like that exactly, but see, I would agree

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:06.680
<v Speaker 1>hearts Christmas movie. H I say, Batman returns to a

0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:15.279
<v Speaker 1>Christmas movie that's a radio but obviously really passionate about it,

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:20.440
<v Speaker 1>but it's in the title Nightmare before Christmas, I know,

0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:24.359
<v Speaker 1>following half Christmas. All right, we'll go fifty fifty. We'll

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 1>agree to disagree on that one. Holly, it's Holly miss

0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:33.120
<v Speaker 1>There you go, it's Holly Cheryl A j Rene. I

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:35.160
<v Speaker 1>can't thank you guys enough for joining us and help

0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:37.560
<v Speaker 1>us second dating again. Everybody out there, go listen to

0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Pretty Missed Up. It's an iHeart Radio podcast just like

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:42.360
<v Speaker 1>we are. But you can get it on the iHeart

0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Radio app. You can get it on Apple Podcast wherever

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:46.200
<v Speaker 1>you listen to your podcast. Make sure you go check

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 1>it out right now. Everyone, thanks again. You're like flowing

0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 1>I how to do that. Dean taught me everything he knows. Okay,

0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 1>we're just like you were, wrapping it like that. You

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:02.000
<v Speaker 1>gotta we gotta work on our out. Chris Harrison taught

0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:03.360
<v Speaker 1>me a thing or two while we were filming. I

0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:06.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know I appreciated Chris. Chris is one of my

0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:08.719
<v Speaker 1>best budds. I still keep trying to get him on

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 1>the golf course and we've yet to make it happen.

0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we keep trying to get him on Dancing

0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:14.920
<v Speaker 1>with the Stars and we have yet to happen. You

0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:17.600
<v Speaker 1>think it's the same family, right, you know it's funny.

0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Before we go, you guys were talking again on the

0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:24.680
<v Speaker 1>podcast about the power of Bachelor Nation with but not bachelors.

0:41:24.960 --> 0:41:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Why did the bachelors can't Why can't you guys dance? Well,

0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:31.920
<v Speaker 1>you guys had Nick on he can't dance? Hey, we Hey,

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:36.560
<v Speaker 1>Nick was able to keep up with kidding, Nick can dance. Listen,

0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:38.920
<v Speaker 1>you need a bachelor to win, like, but the bastelt

0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Mad's already come in with dance experience coming. You have

0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:43.799
<v Speaker 1>no idea how jealous I was when I was watching

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:45.759
<v Speaker 1>next season you guys showed up. I was like, that

0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:51.040
<v Speaker 1>son of them is getting the back. That's awesome. But hey, dude,

0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:53.160
<v Speaker 1>you tell your wife that I said hi, by the way,

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:55.759
<v Speaker 1>and because I know she's a big fan and she's

0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:58.799
<v Speaker 1>the sweetest, And I'm also going to be sending her

0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 1>some of our polish, my nail polish. I haven't even

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:05.760
<v Speaker 1>gotten it. I haven't got you. Tell her I'm sending

0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:07.759
<v Speaker 1>some of her way, I will. She would love that,

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:10.960
<v Speaker 1>and she's a huge fan. We're both big fans, like

0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:13.240
<v Speaker 1>you bringing us up on stage that one time in Vegas,

0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:17.160
<v Speaker 1>honestly one of the best moments of both our lives.

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:19.160
<v Speaker 1>And I can't tell you how much we appreciate that

0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:22.480
<v Speaker 1>because it was of course, man anytime, any alright, cool? Well,

0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:27.960
<v Speaker 1>next time you guys are torn, just bring all right

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 1>cool guys. Well, thank you so much, Cheryl h you

0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:44.400
<v Speaker 1>guys are the best. Thank you guys. All right, welcome

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:47.879
<v Speaker 1>back to help I chuck at dating. What a great

0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:50.400
<v Speaker 1>episode today has been. I mean, to have a Backstreet

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Boy on is like the coolest thing ever. Well, and

0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:57.000
<v Speaker 1>to have Cheryl and Rene onto, they were both fantastic.

0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:00.759
<v Speaker 1>They're the best. Cheryl super Yeah, I've been watching. I

0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:02.799
<v Speaker 1>watched Answer the Stars quite a bit, and so having

0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:05.839
<v Speaker 1>Cheryl is really cool and Renee seem super super nice.

0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 1>So everybody, once again, make sure you guys check out

0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:11.760
<v Speaker 1>their podcast Pretty Messed Up, which is the most relatable

0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:16.200
<v Speaker 1>title other than help us like a dating obvious Jared,

0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:19.279
<v Speaker 1>what do you prefer? And sink Backstreet Boys? Backstreet Boys

0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:22.759
<v Speaker 1>and I love instincts, but I'm a Backstreet boy all

0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:26.759
<v Speaker 1>the way. Dancing with the Stars or American Idol, uh,

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Dancing with the Stars. I never really got into American Idol,

0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:31.360
<v Speaker 1>even though we had David Cook sing at the wedding

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:33.839
<v Speaker 1>other than David Cook, and I never really got into

0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:37.600
<v Speaker 1>American Idol, so he's David cooking Stars. David Cook's the guy.

0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:43.000
<v Speaker 1>He sings, um like you gotta people a lot on

0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 1>da no, no, no no, that would be light on.

0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:53.400
<v Speaker 1>And then he sings the time of my life or uh,

0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:59.400
<v Speaker 1>the time of my lad and yo, when all do

0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:03.920
<v Speaker 1>you last? That time of my life? This I don't

0:44:03.920 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 1>know if copyright will let me play it, but yeah,

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I just don't play it. It's okay, we get it,

0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:11.640
<v Speaker 1>we got it. But yeah, anyway, he won American Idol.

0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 1>That's how Ashley became such a big fan of them.

0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:16.840
<v Speaker 1>I have not known that. I'll be honest, I've never

0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:19.239
<v Speaker 1>really watched American Idol. I've never really watched Dancing with

0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:22.640
<v Speaker 1>the Stars. I've never really listened to the Backstreet Boys.

0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Although I will never listen to the Backstreet Boys. I

0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:30.640
<v Speaker 1>recognized their greatness as creators, as musicians, as artists. I

0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 1>recognize A. J's greatness, Cheryl's and Renet's um and you

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:37.960
<v Speaker 1>could just tell. I don't know. I feel like they

0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 1>probably have a bunch of really interesting stories. It's funny

0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:42.160
<v Speaker 1>it's funny because we're like zooming with them, so we

0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:44.359
<v Speaker 1>can kind of like see the video, and every time

0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:47.000
<v Speaker 1>someone starts sharing a story, you could tell like someone's

0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:49.000
<v Speaker 1>like chumping at the bit to like chime in, because

0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:52.040
<v Speaker 1>not that they're like intentionally one upping each other, but

0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:53.480
<v Speaker 1>you just know that they have got like a like

0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:56.200
<v Speaker 1>a vault of stories that are all just super interesting

0:44:56.239 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 1>that need to be shared at all times. Of course,

0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:01.759
<v Speaker 1>it's that's why we listen to podcasts, right. I mean,

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:03.880
<v Speaker 1>whenever I listened to a podcast and somebody's telling a

0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:06.520
<v Speaker 1>story that I can relate to, I find myself talking

0:45:06.840 --> 0:45:09.520
<v Speaker 1>to myself in the car and be like, oh my god,

0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 1>that's so funny. That reminds me of like this time,

0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:13.400
<v Speaker 1>and then like my thoughts just get the best of me.

0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:16.680
<v Speaker 1>So that's exactly what's happening with them, except except there

0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:19.480
<v Speaker 1>they've been celebrities for the past, you know, two decades,

0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:22.880
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure that they've got a way more interesting

0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:25.120
<v Speaker 1>stories in lives than we've ever had. But hey, you know,

0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:27.839
<v Speaker 1>we're not here to compare apples oranges. Would you call

0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:31.439
<v Speaker 1>you would you call yourself a celebrity? Absolutely not? Would

0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:34.320
<v Speaker 1>you No? But when you think about it, we have

0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:40.560
<v Speaker 1>we have had a certain sliver of celebrity nous. I mean,

0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean looks weird to think about. If you asked

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:45.239
<v Speaker 1>any of my friends from high school that I'm sure

0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:47.400
<v Speaker 1>that they would say yes. I I think just because

0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:50.000
<v Speaker 1>you come from a small town Colorado or Rhode Island

0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:52.919
<v Speaker 1>and then one of your friends, even if like you're

0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:55.000
<v Speaker 1>just like a contestant on the prices, right, you know,

0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:57.040
<v Speaker 1>I still think that some people would consider that. But

0:45:58.120 --> 0:46:00.360
<v Speaker 1>I do think that there are like glimpses into it

0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:02.399
<v Speaker 1>at certain points where you're like, oh, this is really nice,

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:06.800
<v Speaker 1>but it's not. It's not like no, of course I

0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 1>would never but sometimes I don't know if I would

0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:11.040
<v Speaker 1>say I take it for granted because I never take

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:13.239
<v Speaker 1>it for granted. But I think I just forget like

0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:15.920
<v Speaker 1>even bro, I mean like I'm on your Instagram right now,

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<v Speaker 1>when you put something out there, one point three million

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<v Speaker 1>people are going to see that. Isn't that? Like? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you ever forget that? Sometimes? Are you ever? It's I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, it's kind of jarring sometimes when I like

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<v Speaker 1>step back, feet up and really think about like, holy,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a like I even think about my Instagram story.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if I get a certain amount of views

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, oh, that that story didn't do well

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<v Speaker 1>even though it got like thousands of views. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just many story of your stories get listen. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to get too personal on this podcast. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to talk about my relationship. Come on, just

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<v Speaker 1>tellton family, childhood. But you're talking about Instagram stories. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a little it's crossing the line. Let me take let

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<v Speaker 1>me take a stab at it. I'm going to guess

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<v Speaker 1>you get between a hundred thousand and a hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>forty thousand views per story, no more, no less. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not I try. I try to post as much engaging

0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:14.239
<v Speaker 1>and interesting stuff as possible, but sometimes it just doesn't stick.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Mostly when I talks about Ashley wearing some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of obscure mask or doing some sort of weird

0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:23.840
<v Speaker 1>beauty regiment, those do really well. Yeah, it's it's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny because I hate that we it's I hate

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<v Speaker 1>that it's such a big part of our lives. But

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<v Speaker 1>obviously we're Indib'm incredibly gree Florida. I know you are

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Um, but it's just like in a weird way,

0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:37.840
<v Speaker 1>like it's it's a big part of our lives because

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<v Speaker 1>that's how we make money, that's how we connect with people.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess like we kind of have no choice

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<v Speaker 1>but for it to be a big part of our lives,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. But I agree, like, I'll be very excited

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<v Speaker 1>for the day where I don't have to rely on it,

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<v Speaker 1>even though I'm like with you, I will never take

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<v Speaker 1>for granted what it has done. I mean, because of Instagram,

0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:57.359
<v Speaker 1>because of the following that we've been able to gather,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've been I went to this a freaking Star

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<v Speaker 1>Wars Rise of Skywalker premiere, you know, like I went

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<v Speaker 1>to the Batman Superman movie premiere. I remember in my

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<v Speaker 1>house in two thousand six watching a live stream of

0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:14.040
<v Speaker 1>the Superman Returns premiere, uh, which was in l A

0:48:14.160 --> 0:48:17.759
<v Speaker 1>at the time. And the idea that like one day

0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:21.600
<v Speaker 1>I would be going to a Superman and Batman premiere

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<v Speaker 1>is just freaking insane. And it's all because of social media,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and what uh And and Ashley says, and

0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:34.120
<v Speaker 1>my wife, yeah, I know, you're the she takes credit

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:35.440
<v Speaker 1>for everything. You see. What I can deal with on

0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:38.480
<v Speaker 1>a daily basis over here, I'm sorry, man, I can

0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:42.520
<v Speaker 1>never be an individual. She's always just looming. I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so grateful for the freaking platform. I got a

0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:47.560
<v Speaker 1>tattoo of it forever inked onto my leg. So with

0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:50.040
<v Speaker 1>the blue check mark, let's not forget that. Well, the

0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:51.920
<v Speaker 1>checkmark is black on the leg, but there is a

0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:54.520
<v Speaker 1>check mark. Yep, yep, yep. But like you said, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean because of because of Instagram, I can buy a house.

0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:00.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, because of Instagram, I'm able to travel around

0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:01.719
<v Speaker 1>the world and live in a van, and because of

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Instagram able to like. Yeah, it's just crazy how social

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<v Speaker 1>media has change everything, even for people with you know

0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:10.040
<v Speaker 1>who have you know who don't have a huge following. Like,

0:49:10.160 --> 0:49:13.000
<v Speaker 1>social media is just such a massive part of our lives.

0:49:13.040 --> 0:49:14.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, think of how many people just post on

0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:17.120
<v Speaker 1>TikTok trying to get a video to go viral. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know if the good outweighs the

0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:22.400
<v Speaker 1>bad with social media and dating. I think it's you know,

0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:24.760
<v Speaker 1>with page the other day, I think, you know, dudes

0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:27.080
<v Speaker 1>in the d M, like you can kind of catch

0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:29.880
<v Speaker 1>people who cheat a lot easier now because instead of

0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:32.920
<v Speaker 1>cheating in person, hiding it they're like exposed their d

0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:36.480
<v Speaker 1>m s because they just text girls. But I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much pressure with it as well. It's funny

0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:41.000
<v Speaker 1>like it kind of like it kind of like carries

0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:43.680
<v Speaker 1>a status symbol with it too. I remember, uh, like

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<v Speaker 1>when I first moved to l A, I was dating

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<v Speaker 1>this girl who had like twenty four thousand followers on

0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Instagram and I had like, you know, seven or eight

0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:53.320
<v Speaker 1>hundred followers, And for some reason, I was like, I

0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:55.440
<v Speaker 1>was I thought that because she had so many followers,

0:49:55.520 --> 0:49:58.600
<v Speaker 1>she was like way more alluring than she was, you know,

0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:01.000
<v Speaker 1>just because of a little can number on a stupid,

0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:05.840
<v Speaker 1>meaningless app like it just like she became more enticing

0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:07.480
<v Speaker 1>in a sense because of it, you know. And it's

0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:09.560
<v Speaker 1>just so silly and so stupid, but it is what

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<v Speaker 1>it is. I don't know, yeah, it is what it is,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend. Very interesting. Well, everybody out there, thank you

0:50:16.640 --> 0:50:18.839
<v Speaker 1>again for listening to a brand new episode of help

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<v Speaker 1>by Second Dating. Obviously a very very special thank you

0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:25.160
<v Speaker 1>to the three host of the wonderful I Heart Radio

0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:28.520
<v Speaker 1>podcast Pretty Messed Up a J, Cheryl and Rene. Again.

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<v Speaker 1>Make sure you go check out their podcast. I've listened

0:50:30.800 --> 0:50:33.160
<v Speaker 1>to it. For the past couple of weeks. It's super fun.

0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:36.439
<v Speaker 1>They got great chemistry. I can't recommend it enough. Thank

0:50:36.520 --> 0:50:40.239
<v Speaker 1>you Dean for just being for being you man than

0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:44.920
<v Speaker 1>you tell Calin. Thank you for correcting you when you

0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:48.360
<v Speaker 1>were messing up things earlier. Uh again, let us know

0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:51.200
<v Speaker 1>email us. Uh. Not only with your dating stories, but

0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:53.839
<v Speaker 1>what are you getting your significant other for Christmas? Are

0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:56.080
<v Speaker 1>you getting them nothing for Christmas? Are you going to

0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:59.200
<v Speaker 1>get them a more adventurous gift? Are you're gonna get

0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:03.480
<v Speaker 1>them something practical that they need? Uh? Like I said,

0:51:03.520 --> 0:51:05.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for ideas of what to get Ashley. So

0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:07.839
<v Speaker 1>give me your ideas so I can steal them. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And make sure you tune in next week where hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>we all suck just a little bit less. Follow help

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