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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Ken. You all right, welcome to the Wired Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by on X. Thanks for tuning in,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you being here today. In the show, We've got

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Speaker 1: Lake Pickle talking Southern turkey hunting. And Lake is a

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Speaker 1: Mississippi native. He's a member of the Premost Video team.

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Speaker 1: You might have seen them on their TV show, on

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Speaker 1: their web series, on their YouTube videos. He's also the

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Speaker 1: host of their Speak the Language podcast over their Premost too.

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Speaker 1: He's a serious turkey hunter and he's mentored under some

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Speaker 1: of the very best turkey hunters in the country, folks

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Speaker 1: such as the one and only Will Premost. So he's

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Speaker 1: got a tremendous amount of experience to share and today

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go rapid fire with him to discuss, you know,

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Speaker 1: things like what's unique out turkey hunting in the South,

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Speaker 1: how to find and call and decoy highly pressured turkeys,

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Speaker 1: something that's applicable in many parts of the country. We

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Speaker 1: talked through tips for getting quiet birds to gobble, what

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Speaker 1: to do if you spook a gobbler, how to break,

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Speaker 1: a hung up bird, and a whole lot more. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It was a fun talk we go, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: thirty forty minutes, just jam packed with turkey tips and knowledge.

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Speaker 1: So if you are excited to get out turkey hunting,

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Speaker 1: you gotta listen to this one a step because it

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Speaker 1: will help, no doubt about it. So that's the plan.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into it, though, I just want to

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Speaker 1: give you one more heads up. If you've been enjoying

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Speaker 1: these bonus turkey hunting episodes, I'd like to encourage you

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Speaker 1: dot com and check out the dozens of new turkey

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Speaker 1: hunting articles that we've been publishing over there. I've been

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Speaker 1: working hard writing new things. Spencer's been writing new things,

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson has been writing new articles. All sorts of

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Speaker 1: people on the team and other folks out there are

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Speaker 1: sharing their turkey hunting insights with really great articles. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna see topics such as, oh gosh um, how to

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Speaker 1: how to hunt roosted towns, how to stock turkeys, how

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Speaker 1: to uh deal with turkeys that they aren't talking, how

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Speaker 1: to make your decoys more realistic, a whole slet of

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Speaker 1: different things, dozens and dozens of new articles. If you

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Speaker 1: want to learn more after listening to this, that's how

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Speaker 1: to do it, heading over to the meat eater dot com.

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Speaker 1: There's also a lot of great turkey recipes because I'm

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Speaker 1: counting on all of you filling those turkey tags, so

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Speaker 1: you're gonna need to eat them too. We can help

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Speaker 1: you on that front as well. So that's all from

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Speaker 1: me without further ado, let's get to some turkey talk

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Speaker 1: with Lake Pickle. Alright with me on the line now

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Speaker 1: is Lake Pickle Lake, Thanks for doing this. How are you, man?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Thank you for having me on its owner. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I uh, I'm stoked that we can chat turkeys right

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Speaker 1: now because a lot of people are stuck inside or

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Speaker 1: stuck at home and not able to go do some

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Speaker 1: fun things. But but turkey hunting is one of those

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Speaker 1: options that most of us have to go out and

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Speaker 1: enjoy ourselves right now. So this is a this is

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Speaker 1: a great thing to be talking about. Absolutely, it's it's

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite things to talk about, regardless of

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Speaker 1: the time of year, what's going on. But yeah, with

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Speaker 1: stuck inside. It's it's people are more appreciative of turkey

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Speaker 1: my head I was kind of complaining to myself that

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Speaker 1: I I can't go hunt anywhere else. I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: so I basically, you know, could end my turkey season

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Speaker 1: And usually in a lot of other years, I would

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Speaker 1: take them out, call for um, you know, just do

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Speaker 1: that with as many buddies as you can to kind

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Speaker 1: doing that. I don't know. So it's such a strange time, man, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I understand exactly. So I'm particularly excited to kind of

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Speaker 1: seen you've killed turkeys already this year in Alabama, Mississippi,

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Speaker 1: In And what are are you hunting many other states

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Speaker 1: Corona thing, like we touched on earlier. Um, and that's honestly,

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Speaker 1: I've hunted. I've got to hunt more in my home

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Speaker 1: state of Mississippi this year than I have in years,

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Speaker 1: just because we're usually traveling so much. We may get

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Speaker 1: three bird limit? Yeah, at least you've got some some opportunities.

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Speaker 1: is just dealing with hunting pressure. Yeah, So how do

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Speaker 1: ground that looked like, you know, the talladegas raceway in

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Speaker 1: lot of things. There's a lot of booger bears out

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Speaker 1: You know, I realized bugger bear is probably a funny term.

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Speaker 1: differently once you're out there? Though, So when you did

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Speaker 1: any differently knowing that these turkeys have been buggered by

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Speaker 1: to believe that the turkey was roosted where I was

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00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 1: headed to find it. I'd like i'd heard him gobbling

426
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: there when I was scouting, but that wasn't on the limb.

427
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 1: He was already on the ground, and I'd heard a

428
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: turkey roost there in the past where I thought he was,

429
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: and so I just went with, he's gonna be right there.

430
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 1: And and Jordan's even said to me when we were

431
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 1: walking in, he was like, there's a chance he's roosted

432
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 1: on the edge of this cutover. I was like, no, man, no,

433
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 1: he might be, but he's I bet he's on that

434
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 1: ridge and he was not. So when you go making

435
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,360
Speaker 1: asumpthing like that and getting impulsive, that's when you make

436
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 1: mistakes and you know, look really dumb like I did

437
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 1: and blow a turkey off the limb. Uh. So, what

438
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 1: are what are some of the other mistakes that you've

439
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: either done yourself or seen from your buddies or folks

440
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 1: you're hunting with that have helped you learn something, you know,

441
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 1: that kind of illuminated some aha moment. Any others that

442
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 1: stand out to you this year, past years that might

443
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 1: be helpful. Yeah? Absolutely, um and I'm like I said,

444
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 1: I can pull a lot from from this year. Um so. Uh.

445
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: It was that yesterday afternoon we uh Jordan's myself. We

446
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: I filmed Jimmy Jimmy Primo shoot one kind of place

447
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 1: that we had permission to hunt on in the north

448
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: part of the state, and that turkey. Um. We we

449
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: knew there was turkeys in the area. We had not

450
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: heard any goblin hardly at all. We've been hunting there

451
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 1: for three days. Solid had had heard hardly any gobbles

452
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: except for on the roost. But we knew they were there,

453
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: and so the plan was we were just gonna set

454
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: up on edges Field and uh, you can call every

455
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: once in a while. And so we ended up striking

456
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 1: a turkey. It's probably about three thirty in the afternoon.

457
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: And this turkey was once he struck, he was he

458
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 1: was as you know, as hot as you could want

459
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 1: a turkey to be. I mean, you could have yelped

460
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: to him probably a hundred times when he would have gobbled.

461
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 1: But Jordan's and this is as far as calling, it's

462
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: so easy. Who overcall in those situations? Um, Jordan's I

463
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 1: think yep. Well, the first time we heard him, he

464
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: was maybe three hundred yards away, and I think Jordan

465
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: called a total of three times. He the first time

466
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: he struck him, he yelped and cut the turkey gobbled.

467
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 1: He waited a few minutes, he yelped again, turkey gobl

468
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: He was closer, uh, and then he said, all right,

469
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm waiting and he literally he pulled out his phone.

470
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: It was like four no, no, no, because it was

471
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: four it was four or twenty one pm, and he said,

472
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: if he hasn't gobbled again by four thirty, I'll call again.

473
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: I think it was like four twenty seven. The turkey

474
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: gobbles again on his own and he's a hundred and

475
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 1: fifty yards closer, and we're like, okay, he's coming. So

476
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: in contrast, I've seen several hunts like that, the turkey

477
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: starts gobbling, the hunter just starts pouring it to him,

478
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 1: just on the turkey's gobling his goblins goblin. And then

479
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: you're in the same situation that you are when the

480
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: turkeys on the limb and you're roosting. The turkey's off

481
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: there where he's at that afternoon, and you're steady calling

482
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: to him, and he's going, okay, i'll gobble. I'm right

483
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: here where he at. And then oftentimes he never shows up.

484
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: He just stands right Darren, God was waiting on you

485
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: to come to him. And so, um, mistakes overcalling can

486
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: can definitely be one of those. Is probably one of

487
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: the most common ones. Uh. And then other than that

488
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: is probably just getting too aggressive. We know turkeys can

489
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 1: see very very well and they can hear very very well,

490
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: but we let that seem to slip our mind thatt

491
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: at convenient times and you end up trying to get

492
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 1: too close and you bump them. That's that's a very

493
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: common one. Um. Yeah, there's there's a million ways to

494
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 1: mess up a turkey hunt. Yeah, I guess that's why

495
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: it keeps us coming back, right, It's not. It's always

496
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: a new puzzle to try to figure out each day. Yeah,

497
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: what about something you mentioned that Jordan did and and

498
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: maybe you already answered the question because you described how

499
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: he did this, but I'm curious if you ever think

500
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: about it differently. It's that that question of Okay, I

501
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: realized I shouldn't call too much, but how do I

502
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: then choose one I should? So he said, Okay, it's

503
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: it's whatever time twenty one on, I'll call again. So

504
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: he said, okay, nine minutes. But how do you think

505
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: through when the right time is to do it? Are

506
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: there any I'm just kind of curious about your thought

507
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: process there. How you make sure that you have some

508
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: kind of guidance. Yeah, it's man, Honestly, it's just sitting

509
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: down to turkeys and working in turkeys, just the reption, repetition,

510
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: and you kind of I know this may sound kind

511
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: of vague, but you kind of just get a feel

512
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: for it. Um Whereas like especially like the turkey that

513
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: was struck yesterday afternoon, Oftentimes, if you strike a turkey

514
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: like that and then he starts answering like he did

515
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: and then gobbles on his own. Chances are you don't

516
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: have to call at him anymore, you know. And then

517
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: especially I think I heard an old timer say at

518
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: one time, he said, never yet up to a turkey

519
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: that's walking to you, you know, like Collins Collins, for

520
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: the sake of letting you know I'm here. And then

521
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: you're hoping that you can pique his interest enough that

522
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: he'll that he'll come, you know, because like the common

523
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: saying is true, the way supposed to go in the

524
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: natural world is he gobbles and the hen comes to him.

525
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: So um, like if it what will cause it? Taking

526
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: a turkey's temperature, Like if I have to pull a

527
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: gobble out of a turkey. And what I mean by

528
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: that is like if I yelp and nothing, you know,

529
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: if I say, if yelp nothing, if I yelp and

530
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: then cluck nothing, And maybe if I yelp and cut

531
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: and still nothing, And then if I just cut really

532
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: aggressively and he gobbles, then he's probably not all that

533
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: fired up. So I'm you know, I'm either gonna slow

534
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: play him or or it just depends on the turkey.

535
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: If he's answering everything, and he's steadily closing distance, then

536
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: I'll set the call down. But if he's just answering

537
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: every once in a while, then I'll call a few times,

538
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: let him answer. Then i'll give him five ten minutes,

539
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: and then I'll call again and see where he's at.

540
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's just a matter of you're not in

541
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: a place that he wants to be, and you have

542
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: to get up and move. Sometimes that moves only a

543
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: hundred yards, but it's enough for him to go, oh,

544
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: that hands over there, you know I wanted to go

545
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: there anyway, and then it works. Um. But really it's

546
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: just a matter of repetition and sitting down to turkeys

547
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: and you just kind of get a feel for what

548
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: they want to do and what they want to hear

549
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: and when they want to hear it. And I'm no,

550
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: I'm no expert at it. Like I said, I'm I'm

551
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: I'm The success that I have comes from several a

552
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: lot more error than success. That's that's the recipe I

553
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: think for any eventual success is just screwing up enough

554
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: and learning as you go. Turkey hunting is a is

555
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: a win, some lose. Most kind of sport, yes, that's

556
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: that's the truth. So what about what about the scenarios

557
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: outlined there where you take a turkey's temperature and he's

558
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: not coming in. He'll answer every once in a while,

559
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: but he's out there. He's hung up. He is making

560
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: his presence known, but he just won't close the distance.

561
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: You described one, uh possible option, which is to get

562
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: up and move. Can you can you walking through either

563
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: some more detail on that or anything else you'll do

564
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: to try to break a hung up bird? Sure? Um,

565
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: so several times, like I can think of a hunt

566
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 1: we were on and we were just we struck this turkey.

567
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: And when when we struck him, we first heard him gobble.

568
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: We were standing in a small food plot and the

569
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: food plot kind of fell off into a bottom, this

570
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: big pretty hard woods and uh, the turkey the bottom

571
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: kind of pilled off and then there was a ridge. Um,

572
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: and the ridge that was you know, ran close to

573
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: this food plot we were in, but it didn't connect

574
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: to it, you know, So the turkey just wasn't gonna easily,

575
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: you know, walk the ridge that he was on and

576
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: then pop out in the food plot. He would have

577
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: to walk at amount of ways and bail off get

578
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: into the bottom then walk out into the food plot,

579
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: and he came. You know, he walked down the ridge

580
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: a certain amount of ways, but it became very obvious

581
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: he would answer us, but he was like, I'm not

582
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: leaving this ridge. You know, that's just where he wanted

583
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: to be. And you'll you'll find that, you know, especially um,

584
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: if a turkey is in a spot like it's a

585
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: big pretty spot, he might be in there just strutting

586
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: and drumming and and gobling and doing his thing, and

587
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: he's just kind of a lot of times we just

588
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: say he's in his happy place, you know, he's not.

589
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: He's where he wants to be. That's probably where he

590
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: goes to goblin, drum and attract hands and then he

591
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: goes from there. So what my move there would be is,

592
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm gonna give that food plot a

593
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: few minutes to see if he will break and come.

594
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: But after a while I'm gonna find a way to

595
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: slip off into that bottom and try to get on

596
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: the same ridge with him, you know, because the I've

597
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: found the most success that I have and calling in

598
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: turkeys is if I put myself in a position where

599
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: he does not mind going, or if he's somewhere that

600
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: he already wants to be. The calling job gets a

601
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: lot easier if if you're somewhere that he already wants

602
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense, uh anything,

603
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: And this is I don't know, this is pretty common sense,

604
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: I guess. But when it comes to sneak it in

605
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: on turkeys, right, making those moves so many times, that's

606
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: when a hunt gets blown, Right, it's when he decided

607
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: to make a move in those damn eyes they have,

608
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: they pick you off. Anything you've had, anything you've learned

609
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: about sneaking in change positions successfully? Yeah, absolutely, uh. And

610
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: again it comes from trial and error, because I have

611
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: spooked a pile of them in my younger days. Um So,

612
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: for instance, like the the scenario was talking about there,

613
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: the food plot at the bottom and the ridge. Uh,

614
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: you know, especially if it's you know, an earlier season,

615
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: which that one I'm talking about, particularly, it was still

616
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: fairly early in the season, so the woods are way open.

617
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: So the easiest and the quickest way to walk is

618
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: just bail off that food plot, getting the bottom and

619
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: walk to that turkey. But you know, obviously, right, if

620
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: that happens from walking through a wide open bottom and

621
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: he's the top of the ridge looking down, He's gonna

622
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: see me, and then you're gonna sit there going quite

623
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: he quit goblin. Well he saw me, you know. So

624
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: I'll oftentimes I've found, unless you're hunting somewhere that has

625
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: a lot of topography, um, which this place, you know,

626
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: it really didn't. I mean like you had that ridge,

627
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: but that to get to that turkey, um that you

628
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: have to Oftentimes you have to take either the more

629
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: difficult ways or the longer ways to get yourself in

630
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: a better position. Um Like oftentimes we'll back straight out,

631
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, or I'm I'm I say not. Oftentimes in

632
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: that situation you back straight out, you kind of get

633
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: on the same You get where that ridge is and

634
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: you getta get on the side of it, and then

635
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: you just try to put as much cover between you

636
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: and him and just kind of slow intentional moves, you know, uh,

637
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: where you're not just walking in the wide open I've

638
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: found that not even just having them see you, but

639
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: walking really loud, you know, crunching leaves and sticks draws

640
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: as much at because they got really good ears too.

641
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: So and another another thing that helps a lot. I've

642
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: seen a lot of steaks, and it's like they have

643
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: locked in their mind the last time I heard him,

644
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: God was here, and so you just think he's still

645
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: right there in that exact same spot when he I mean,

646
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: he could be close. And so a lot of times

647
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: what we'll do is either we won't necessarily yelp to him,

648
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: Uh we will if we have to, but if he can,

649
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: if he's fired up enough where he'll answer a crow

650
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 1: or even an owl, hoot, because that that's a lot

651
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: of folks think you can only al hoot and get

652
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: him to gobble in the morning, allow hoot all throughout

653
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: the day and still and still have success with it.

654
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: And they're not thinking it's a turkey. They're just gobbling

655
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: that out. So if you can keep that turkey gobbling

656
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: and keep a reference to him, then you can go

657
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: all right, I can get you know, this thicket right

658
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: here between me and him, and I can gain another

659
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: hundred yards and keep that, you know, keep that blocking

660
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: me so I know he won't see me. That kind

661
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: of just kind of taking your time. How frequently do

662
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: you think you can do that without some kind of

663
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: risk of maybe there's not a risk. But how frequently

664
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: will you do that owl hoot to try to check location?

665
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: Is that every five minutes? Is that every hundred yards?

666
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: Is it? I don't know. How do you think about

667
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: those checkens? Yeah, that that's a good question because you

668
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: definitely don't want to just be like or you know,

669
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: I mean, uh so every five minutes, it's is probably fine. Um.

670
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: And because like you can't overdo it. I mean, at

671
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: some point you have to think the turkey's going why

672
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: is that al hooting so much flying towards me? You know?

673
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, and sometimes if you get lucky

674
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: and he's just gobbling on his own, but those are

675
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 1: you know, near and far between. But yeah, probably if

676
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: you're doing it every five minutes, you're fine. Um. And

677
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about like getting just crazy with your

678
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: alcohol either, just a you know a lot of times

679
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: you'll hear an al just let out a singular note.

680
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: Just that's usually what we go with first. Um. And

681
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: if we do that, you know, if we get him

682
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: to answer us twice and he's in the same spot

683
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: every time, then you know, well you you try to

684
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: you use it, uh, I guess that you're on discretion,

685
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, because you, like you said, you're not trying

686
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: to overdo it, but just enough that you can kind

687
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: of keep him pegged and still keep moving. So every

688
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: five minutes is probably fairly safe to say. Yeah, I

689
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: heard you talk to I think it was Jordan's once

690
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: about how every hunter, for most hunters have got that

691
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: one call that when nothing else is working, that will

692
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: draw to gobble. There's something there seems to be those

693
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: those certain box calls or certain different things that when

694
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: you really got to get one when they're not shocked,

695
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: goblin too, the owl, whatever it is you're saying, all

696
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: right and put on a pull at old Trustee and

697
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: then do X Y and Z on it and damn it,

698
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 1: that's gonna get us a gobble. What is that for you?

699
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: Or have you seen anything that commonly is okay when

700
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: you really need one, try this? Yeah. Um, So oftentimes

701
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: when you like you have, like we a lot of

702
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: times we call him a gobble puller. You know that.

703
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: I mean that because well you hear it down here

704
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: a lot again redneck terminology. But then you said, man,

705
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: that that calls a gobble puller, And uh, often times

706
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: it's a box call and it's not not only a

707
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: box call, but it's got a it's a box call

708
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: that's got a real, real sharp high front end and

709
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: then it falls off really hard on the back end,

710
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: just a real sharp yelp. Just yea. And um, what's

711
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: been doing it for us is, Uh, there's a it's

712
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: called the Tall Timber Gabriel. And it's no surprise why

713
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: that call works so well. It's like a it's a

714
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: like a Will Primo's design to the core, like you

715
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: think he he kept that call of secret for a

716
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: few years and was working on it and got it

717
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: the way that he liked it. Um, but that call

718
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: and it sounds a lot like the Premo has had

719
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: a box call a couple of years ago. It's called

720
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: the Heartbreaker and that was one of the most popular

721
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: calls that that they had at the time. It was

722
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: way before I worked here, and uh, it was kind

723
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: of The Tall Timber Gabriel is kind of based off

724
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: that call. But it's got like these Will wanted to

725
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: have thumb grews. We could cut on it easier. And

726
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: often times when it's worked for us this spring and

727
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: springs in the past, as you'll get that that box

728
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: call and you'll yelp on it really hard. His four

729
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: notes just out and then cut on it. So it's

730
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, yeah, gotta and that we'll pull a

731
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,479
Speaker 1: gobble out of a turkey on in the most dire

732
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: of situations. It's it's mind blowing, like I've I've seen

733
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: it in certain situations, like it'll be up in the morning,

734
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: nothing's really gobbling. You're like, all right, where do we

735
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: go from here? Maybe let's try to strike one. Someone

736
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: will yelp with their mouth call and nothing. Someone will

737
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: yelp with their slate call and nothing. And then Jordan

738
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: will pull out that tall timber Yeah, yeah, yeah, gott

739
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 1: dot ball and you're like, where has that turkey been?

740
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's just I don't know what it is.

741
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: Just something about that frequency makes some gobble. Yeah, just

742
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: getting a little nasty with it. Sometimes just gets yeah. Yeah.

743
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: The first turkey I killed this spring, we had heard

744
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: him gobble. We made a move towards him. Um, I

745
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: al hooted nothing. I mean, and again, this is up

746
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: in the day. This is probably don't I know it

747
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: was later than eight am. I al hoo did nothing.

748
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: Wait a little bit, I got out my slate, I

749
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: yelped nothing. I cut and yelped on my slate nothing in.

750
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: Jordan said, you want to hit him with the top timber.

751
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: I said, yes, so I take the camera pointed him.

752
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: He pulls out that box call, yelps off nothing. Then

753
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: he does the hard yelp and cut got got cotton

754
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: turkey gobbles. I was like, thank you for doing that. Yeah.

755
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: Speaking of speaking of using Jordan's box call, I've also

756
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: seen you guys do some calling in tandem working off.

757
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: Can you can you talk a little bit about what

758
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,479
Speaker 1: you're thinking about when you're doing that kind of thing

759
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: or some something I've done the past. I know a

760
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: lot of guys do it too. Is sometimes you'll have

761
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: a buddy to do the walk away and call while

762
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: leaving some up front. Are there any other ways that

763
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: you kind of tag team turkeys and that kind of

764
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: fashion or can you describe more detail behind you do that?

765
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: The probably the one of the most lethal ways that

766
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing. And honestly, I don't get to

767
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: use this tactic very much just because when you're filming

768
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: and stuff, it doesn't it doesn't work that well because

769
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: you can get yourself in a sential ation really quick

770
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh crap, everybody sit down, and when

771
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: you're dealing with camera equipment and just sometimes it was

772
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: fast set ups just don't work to your advantage. But um, yeah,

773
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: Jordan and I are not with me and George because

774
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: we hunt together a lot. We'll yell back and forth

775
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: to each other. And again it's kind of that same

776
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: situation I was talking about with Wilber where you're trying

777
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: to paint a picture. Well, I mean if the turkey

778
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: gets kind of excited and there's one hen, well, all

779
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you start cutting back and forth at

780
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: each other like it's two hens kind of arguing or

781
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: they're excited, then that can make that turkey very excited

782
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: because he's going, oh goodness, there's two of them over there.

783
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: And so I've had that work and break a turkey

784
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: that was hung up several times. But one of my

785
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: favorite things to do when you're kind of calling in tandem,

786
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: um and I was able to do it this year

787
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: in Alabama. I was down there just fun hunting. We

788
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: weren't filming or anything, um is we will walk to

789
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: the turkey. And again, this is in Thicker Woods Foliage

790
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: had some topography We're not just walking through wide open

791
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: flat timber, you know. Um, but we were moving towards

792
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: the turkey, and we were calling at him as we

793
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: were moving. And what just to kind of frame that

794
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: up to be more specific, kind of tell what I'm seeing,

795
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, is so there was me, uh,

796
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: and then there's the other guy that was calling, probably

797
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: walking twenty yards ahead of me, and we're just kind

798
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: of sound. We were trying to just sound like two

799
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: hens walk into the woods moving to these goblin turkeys.

800
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: And why I think that works so well is again

801
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: that's is that's how how that's supposed to play out

802
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: in nature. That you the turkey gobbles and the hen

803
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: goes to him. So as we're walking towards him, you know,

804
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: I would cluck and yell and then he would answer me,

805
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: I mean just now, And then twenty yards ahead, he'd

806
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: yelped back at me, and turkeys would gobble. And then

807
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: we as we got closer, we got a little bit

808
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: more excited. I would yelp harder, and he would yelp,

809
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: y'all harder at me. The turkeys are goblin more. And

810
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: then finally, one time, um, I yelped and cut and

811
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: he yelped back at me and the turkey's gobble and

812
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: they're a hundred yards away. We were like, crap, gotta

813
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 1: sit down. We sat down and then probably, I mean honestly,

814
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: probably less than ten minutes later the turkeys were dead.

815
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: But that is a lethal, lethal method when it's used correctly,

816
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: because again it's it's it's all about adding realism. And

817
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: when that gobler, goblin turkey is hearing these hands make

818
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: his way to him, he's thinking, all is right in

819
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: the world, you know, So that's that can work very well. Yeah.

820
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: I like that. I like this overall theme of of

821
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: painting that picture and how you can do that with

822
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: the calls, how you can do that with your movement

823
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: um and I think you can probably do that in

824
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: a literal sense, in the sort of way with decoys,

825
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: which we haven't really talked at all about. Can you

826
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: can you tell me just a little bit about what

827
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 1: you do to take those decoys to the next level,

828
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: Like we know the standard put a couple of decoys

829
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: out and you know, we don't need to talk about

830
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: the basics, but how do you paint that most realistic

831
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: picture with their decoys? Are there any little tricks that

832
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: you've learned to just to ramp it up a little

833
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: bit or add some realism or anything like that. Sure. Um,

834
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: So if you're hunting in an open setting, um, and

835
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: you know a lot of times I'll use jake decoy

836
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: a lot. Um. I'll often use a Jake decoy more

837
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 1: than I would even a strutter. Um. And as far

838
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: as like adding realism and and getting you know, a

839
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: long beard a gobbler to close if you will put

840
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: like we have that um um um gob stopper Jack

841
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: how I'm how am I forgetting the name so gob

842
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: stopper Jake. But it's just a half struck Jake decoy right, um.

843
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: And we take a hin and kind of put her

844
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: in a breeder position down on the ground and put

845
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: him where he's standing over her. You want to talk

846
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: about a turkey, you know, turning inside out to get

847
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: over to you that that works? Which again that's no,

848
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: that's no big secret. Um. As far as like, uh,

849
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: what we'll do is I've talked, you know about using

850
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: decoys in the timber. Sometimes I do. Sometimes I don't. Um.

851
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 1: One thing that I will do if I am hunting

852
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: the timber, I will say I hardly ever use a

853
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: gobbler decoy. When I say at gobbler decoy, I mean

854
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: of of any degree of jake construt or anything. If

855
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: I'm using the decoy up in the timber, it's usually

856
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: just alone. Hen and uh, what I'll do oftentimes as

857
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: far as just the standard like put it out in

858
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: front of you and hope the turkey comes up to

859
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: it where it's twenty yards away. Is um just a

860
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: trick I guess is if you're if you're caught up

861
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: in a setup that's kind of open, you know, where

862
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: you're like, I have to sit here, but I'm not

863
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: so sure about it because I feel kind of exposed.

864
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: Is you can take that decoy and still put it

865
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: to where you know, if the turkey comes to it,

866
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: he's You're it's in a position where you can very

867
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: easily shoot at it. But I won't put it directly

868
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: in line with myself, you know what I'm saying. So

869
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: the turkey, if he's looking at the decoy from the

870
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: way that I think he's gonna approach, he's not. He's

871
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: not able to look right over the decoy and see

872
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: me sitting there. Maybe I may be put it off

873
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: to the left a little bit or off to the right,

874
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: just to where if he comes in and he's focused

875
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: on that decoy, he's also his his line of view

876
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: that he's focused on will not include you know, the

877
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: big green gorilla sitting by the tree. That's a good

878
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: that's a good point. That's a good point. Do you

879
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: add any movement. I know some guys will have a

880
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: fan with them. I think I've heard you mentioned using

881
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: this in the past. Will have a fan, will hold

882
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: up every once in a while. Do you do that

883
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: or anything like it? Yes, rarely in the woods, rarely

884
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: in the woods. Um and in open settings absolutely, I've again,

885
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: I know there's some guys that think, you know, fan

886
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: of turkeys is you know or is a sinful way

887
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: to kill a turkey? You know, whatever, I do it, uh,

888
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: I have no problem with doing it. Uh So we

889
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: have used it in the woods before, like if you know,

890
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: sometimes long beer, he'll get to eighty yards or so

891
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: and he just kind of won't close. We'll try to

892
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: stick the fan up and just show it to him.

893
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: We've had that work before, and we've had it. We've

894
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: had it work. We've had it where they don't like

895
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: it and turn going to leave. And then we've had

896
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: them where they definitely see the fan and just doesn't

897
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: change their demeanor at all. Um. As far as a

898
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: fan working, I've seen strutter decoys and fan in turkeys

899
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: work a whole lot better in an open type setting

900
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: like out in the field or a food plot or

901
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: a power line. Um. But yeah, I sometimes we'll have

902
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: like just a hen out the same kind of thing.

903
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: He can see the hen, but he's way across the

904
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: field or way down the power line or whatever. And

905
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: then you show him that fan several times. That can

906
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: be enough to break them and make them come in awesome. Well,

907
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: I will tell you something like you have officially gotten

908
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: me very excited for tomorrow morning because it is opening

909
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: date tomorrow morning for me in Michigan. And and like

910
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: I mentioned, I'm not gonna shoot one. I'm just gonna

911
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: go out there and try to play with them, I guess.

912
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna get out there nonetheless and uh and

913
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: have some fun with it. So thank you for doing this.

914
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: And I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it very much. Yeah,

915
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: me too. We're where can people see what you guys

916
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: are up to? I know, you've got videos, podcasts, everything.

917
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: Where can people follow on that content? Yeah, so obviously

918
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: we have we have Instagram, uh, Premos Hunting on Instagram.

919
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: I have my personal page, which I'm pretty easy to find,

920
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: just because you know, late Pickle is not the most

921
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: common of names. And thank my thank my parents for

922
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: that one. But um, and then so we have our

923
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. But then the coolest thing that we have

924
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: right going going on right now our Premos is we

925
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: have a new web series. You know, for the longest

926
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: time it was you know, the Primos Truth DVDs and

927
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: we still have the show on Outdoor channel, but we

928
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: have a uh web series that we're updating every week

929
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 1: that can be found on premos dot com. And it's

930
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: like like the turkey that Jordan's shot this morning will

931
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: most likely be uploaded for free for everyone to watch

932
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: it premo dot com next Tuesday, I think, but if

933
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: it's not yet, so we we're uploading new hunts on

934
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: there every Tuesday and Thursday. It's good stuff. I've I've

935
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 1: been checking it out and you guys doing a great job,

936
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: so I appreciate it up and good luck with the

937
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: rest of Turkey Hunts. Thank you man. I appreciate that.

938
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: Thank you for let me come on. I'm a huge

939
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: fan of Wired to Hunt. You do a good job.

940
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. Let's stay in touch. Yeah, man,

941
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: absolutely all right, and that is a rap. Thank you

942
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: all for tuning in. I hope you enjoyed this one.

943
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: If you're like me, I'm fired up already to go.

944
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: Like I just said, I'm ready to get out there

945
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: and do some turkey hunting. So best of luck on

946
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: your upcutting hunts. I hope you have a great time

947
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: out there, be safe, be well. I'm I'm hoping for

948
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: all the best for all of you. I hope you're healthy,

949
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: hope your family is healthy, and that you're getting through

950
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: these tough times. So until next time, we will talk

951
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: to you soon and stay Wired to Hunt.