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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff Works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with

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<v Speaker 1>How Stuff Works, and I heart radio and I love

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<v Speaker 1>all things tech. And in our last episode, I traced

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<v Speaker 1>how A o L became a dominant player in the

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<v Speaker 1>dial up online service provider business, leading to the incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>ambitious merger with Time Warner to form a o L.

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<v Speaker 1>Time Warner and I talked about how the dot com

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<v Speaker 1>crash and the rise of broadband dealt a double whammy

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<v Speaker 1>of a blow to the brand new company, making the

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<v Speaker 1>merger look like it was premature and wildly too expensive

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<v Speaker 1>of a move for both companies, and I ended mentioning

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<v Speaker 1>that Steve Case, the last remaining founder of A o L,

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<v Speaker 1>stepped down from the board of directors in two thousand five.

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<v Speaker 1>But not every ing was dark and dismal for A

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<v Speaker 1>o L. In two thousand five, the company was being

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<v Speaker 1>eyed with interest by some other big names in the

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<v Speaker 1>text sphere. There were stories that both Microsoft and Google

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<v Speaker 1>were looking at A o L as a possible acquisition

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<v Speaker 1>if they could convince the merged company to break up. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>A O L had repositioned itself with a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a renaissance. At the end of two thousand four, many

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<v Speaker 1>people were still using lots of A O L's services,

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<v Speaker 1>including A O L Instant Messenger and map Quest, which

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<v Speaker 1>the company owned. The A O L dot Com website

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<v Speaker 1>offered up the content that previously only A O L

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<v Speaker 1>subscribers had been able to access, and it was all free. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was his ads supported, but you get

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. However, al L was still making some

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<v Speaker 1>really big business moves while things were looking uncertain, and

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<v Speaker 1>that just made people kind of wonder what was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand four, the company had agreed to acquire

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<v Speaker 1>a startup called Advertising dot Com, Inc. And I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sure you can guess what business that company was in

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<v Speaker 1>the division We get a rebranding in two thousand thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>as A O L Networks, partly to send the message

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<v Speaker 1>that services could span across different types of screens, not

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<v Speaker 1>just computers, but televisions and phones and other devices. But

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<v Speaker 1>executives over at the time Warner side of this company

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<v Speaker 1>weren't really head over heels in love with A O L.

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<v Speaker 1>Before the merger, A O l's value was estimated to

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<v Speaker 1>be somewhere in the two billion dollar range. Yikes. After

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<v Speaker 1>the dot com crash, however, that value dropped to five

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<v Speaker 1>billion according to some accounts, although honestly most accounts say

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<v Speaker 1>the value was closer to twenty billion. But whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>five or twenty, both of which are enormous numbers, get

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<v Speaker 1>don't get me wrong. Billion is a lot. That's such

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<v Speaker 1>a huge drop from two hundred billion. By two thousand five,

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<v Speaker 1>the number, according to some sources, had climbed a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>It was moving in the right direction, but still a

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<v Speaker 1>fraction of what A O L had been prior to

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<v Speaker 1>the merger. At the time of the merger, AOL had

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<v Speaker 1>the higher market capitalization between the two companies, but Time

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<v Speaker 1>Warner was making way more revenue. So you can look

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<v Speaker 1>at this as indicative of the whole dot com problem.

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<v Speaker 1>In the first place, you had these internet based companies

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<v Speaker 1>that were valued much, much greater than what they could

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<v Speaker 1>actually pay off in the They their value was greater

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<v Speaker 1>than their worth, and that was really the issue that

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<v Speaker 1>led to the dot com bubble bursting in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>The culture clash never settled down between the two companies.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't able to find a good equilibrium. The AOL

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<v Speaker 1>executives felt their traditional media counterparts just didn't get how

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<v Speaker 1>business on the inner that worked. They were probably right,

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<v Speaker 1>but the Time Warner executives saw A O L as

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<v Speaker 1>wasteful and filled to the brim with hubris. A company

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<v Speaker 1>just was convinced that the way it did things was

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<v Speaker 1>the right way, and that it was building a business

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<v Speaker 1>on a product that was clearly on the way out,

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<v Speaker 1>that being dial up service, and the Time Warner executives

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<v Speaker 1>were kind of right. No one was wholly in the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong here, other than the fact that this partnership was

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<v Speaker 1>wholly in the wrong. In fact, by two thousand three,

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<v Speaker 1>just a few years after this merger, A O L.

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<v Speaker 1>Time Warner began to drop the A O L part

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<v Speaker 1>from its name came to just call itself Time Warner again.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep in mind, all L was the company that technically

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<v Speaker 1>made the acquisition. It's technically the company that bought Time Warner,

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<v Speaker 1>but now the collective entity was casually ignoring the online

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<v Speaker 1>part of its identity. In two thousand five, A O

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<v Speaker 1>L and tell A Pictures Productions, a division from Warner Brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>would create TMZ and If you're not aware of what

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<v Speaker 1>that is, consider yourself fortunate. It's a tabloid news website

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<v Speaker 1>that's mainly focused on following celebrities around and publishing everything

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<v Speaker 1>it can about those celebrities. It has been one of

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<v Speaker 1>the more successful properties to come out of the A

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<v Speaker 1>O L and Time Warner days. So I'm pretty snarky

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<v Speaker 1>about the whole thing. I don't really like TMZ and

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<v Speaker 1>the way they do business. However, I cannot deny that

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<v Speaker 1>it's been a money maker. It has been very successful,

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<v Speaker 1>whether I like it or not. So I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they they're the ones who became really rich on it,

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<v Speaker 1>So what do I know. In two thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 1>America Online officially changed its name to A O L.

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<v Speaker 1>CEO John Miller said that the reason for this change

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<v Speaker 1>was that getting America Online would That had been the

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<v Speaker 1>old mission of the company, to get America online, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's why it called itself America Online. But he said,

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<v Speaker 1>the company did that. We've done that already. We achieved

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<v Speaker 1>our goal. So this new name indicates the quote expanded

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<v Speaker 1>mission to make everyone's online experience better end quote. A

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<v Speaker 1>O L had also changed in another way. It changed

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<v Speaker 1>from A corporation into a limited liability company. Now they

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<v Speaker 1>get into the differences between an LLC and a corporation

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States is more than a little beyond

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<v Speaker 1>the scope of tech stuff, but it mostly has to

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<v Speaker 1>do with how profits and losses are handled, and it

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<v Speaker 1>also has to do a lot with how a company

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<v Speaker 1>is taxed. So we're not gonna dive into all that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure most of you don't really care, and honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>it gets pretty dull pretty fast. But the following year,

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<v Speaker 1>AOL made another big change. It moved its headquarters, which

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<v Speaker 1>had been in Dulles, Virginia ever since the founding of

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<v Speaker 1>the company. Now it was going to move to New

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<v Speaker 1>York City. It also laid off about two thousand employees,

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<v Speaker 1>or about of its entire workforce. This move was largely

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<v Speaker 1>to refocus a o L on its advertising business as

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<v Speaker 1>the dial up side continued to dwindle, though it was

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<v Speaker 1>still generating revenue at that point. This was two thousand seven,

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<v Speaker 1>and and just for reference, two thousand seven was also

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<v Speaker 1>when Apple introduced the iPhone. So the iPhone comes out,

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<v Speaker 1>people are still using dial up modems enough for a

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<v Speaker 1>o L's division to be profitable that's not the last

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<v Speaker 1>time we'll talk about dial up though. Anyway. A o

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<v Speaker 1>l's new headquarters were closer to Time Warner's HQ, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was also much closer to the advertising world in general.

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<v Speaker 1>The advertising world in the United States is almost entirely

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<v Speaker 1>based out of New York City, so this was putting

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<v Speaker 1>a o L close to where the advertising businesses thrived.

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<v Speaker 1>AOL also would change CEO s Jonathan Miller, who had

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<v Speaker 1>been leading the company up to that point, was replaced

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<v Speaker 1>by a guy named Randy Falco. A o L made

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<v Speaker 1>some acquisitions, many of which did not turn out so well. So.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, in two thousand eight, a o L acquired

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<v Speaker 1>a social networking site called Bibo. It's not that well

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<v Speaker 1>known in the United States, but it was the second

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<v Speaker 1>largest social network in the UK after Facebook. Back in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight. Bibo could boast twenty two million

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<v Speaker 1>unique visitors and they spent an average time of forty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes a day on the service, which sounds like a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty attractive bargain. You can go to an advertiser and say,

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<v Speaker 1>I can guarantee you that millions of people are going

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<v Speaker 1>to look at this for forty minutes every day, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be able to sell a lot of ads.

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<v Speaker 1>So A O L would spend eight hundred fifty million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in cash on this acquisition. So how did it

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<v Speaker 1>turn out? Not great at all? Now, you could argue

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<v Speaker 1>that Bibo was on the same path of decline that

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<v Speaker 1>A O L was as a As broadband was becoming

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<v Speaker 1>more popular, A Well's dial up was dwindling. Well, Bibo

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<v Speaker 1>was seeing its number of users dwindle. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>them were going to other social networking sites like Facebook.

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<v Speaker 1>A O L was not able to capitalize on Bibo

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<v Speaker 1>like executives had hoped, So just two years after buying

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<v Speaker 1>the company, A o L would sell it to a

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<v Speaker 1>digital media investor group called Criterion Capital Partners, and the

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<v Speaker 1>price was much lower than the eight hundred fifty million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars that A o L had paid for it. They

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<v Speaker 1>sold it for ten million. Three years after that, the

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<v Speaker 1>original founders of Bibo were able to buy back their

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<v Speaker 1>company from this investor group for just one million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>So they sold it for a D fifty million and

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<v Speaker 1>then they bought it back for one million. Now that's

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<v Speaker 1>all a bit outside the scope of A O L.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought it was an interesting little tidbit, so

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<v Speaker 1>I decided to include. Plus it's another way to illustrate

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<v Speaker 1>how A o L was still making some pretty questionable choices.

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<v Speaker 1>That the merger with Time Warner wasn't an outlier. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it was an outlier in the sense of how

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<v Speaker 1>big it was. A hundred sixty billion dollars is an

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<v Speaker 1>enormous outlier, but not an outlier in the sense of

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<v Speaker 1>making some rash decisions that ultimately didn't pay off. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that's also not to say that every purchase A o

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<v Speaker 1>L made was inherently bad. A o L bought lots

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<v Speaker 1>of companies, dozens of them. In fact, companies like Weblogs Inc.

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<v Speaker 1>That owns popular sites like Engadget and the former Joystick.

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<v Speaker 1>There was Game Daily that A o L purchased True Vio.

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<v Speaker 1>All of those made products or services that faced the public.

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<v Speaker 1>A well also bought companies like e Voice, Info Interactive,

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<v Speaker 1>and ad Tech. Those were more business oriented ventures, so

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily things that you and I would encounter, but

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<v Speaker 1>other enterprises would. And A o L was never afraid

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<v Speaker 1>of buying other companies in an effort to remain relevant

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<v Speaker 1>or regain relevance, depending upon your point of view, but

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<v Speaker 1>things between A O L and Time Warner would get

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<v Speaker 1>less stable by the year. The cultures of the two

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<v Speaker 1>companies still had not found a good meeting point. In

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<v Speaker 1>March two thousand nine, the company replaced CEO Randy Falco.

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<v Speaker 1>The new leader for the A O L branch would

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<v Speaker 1>be Tim Armstrong. Armstrong was coming from Google, where he

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<v Speaker 1>had helped build the company's advertising division into a juggernaut.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, various industry journals reported that Armstrong had

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<v Speaker 1>had aspirations of being a CEO of a company, He

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<v Speaker 1>just hadn't quite settled on which company he wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>go for. According to add Age, his name was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the ones that Yahoo was considering when it was

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<v Speaker 1>searching for a replacement for their CEO and founder Jerry Yang.

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<v Speaker 1>But A O L would end up being his destination.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was just the beginning for the big events

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<v Speaker 1>of two thousand nine. I'll explain more in just a second,

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<v Speaker 1>but first let's take a quick break to thank our sponsor.

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<v Speaker 1>In May two thousand nine, just two months after Tim

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong took the helm of A O L. The tumultuous

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<v Speaker 1>pairing of A O L and Time Warner began the

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<v Speaker 1>slow march to divorce. Time Warner said it would spin

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<v Speaker 1>off A O L as an independent company later that year.

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<v Speaker 1>In December of two thousand nine, A O L shares

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<v Speaker 1>would begin trading on the floor of the New York

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<v Speaker 1>Stock Exchange. Time Warner executives said the reason for the

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<v Speaker 1>split was that A O L was more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>grow as a separate company than as part of Time Warner,

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<v Speaker 1>and that A O L attracted different investors than Time

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<v Speaker 1>Warner did. Time Warner would become a more lean and

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<v Speaker 1>straightforward company as well, according to the wisdom of the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was largely true. Time Warner, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll again have to do a full episode about

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<v Speaker 1>this whole thing at some point. They would later spend

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<v Speaker 1>off Time Incorporated in two thousand fourteen, and in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand eighteen, A T and T would move to acquire

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<v Speaker 1>Time Warner, which is now called Warner Media LLC. By

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<v Speaker 1>the time this episode airs, that should be finalized. But

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm recording this, there's currently an appeal out on

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<v Speaker 1>an earlier court ruling that permitted the mergers. So you

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<v Speaker 1>had one court say yeah, that mergers fine, and A T.

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<v Speaker 1>And T and Time Warner were ready to make it

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<v Speaker 1>a real deal, but then you had an appeal go out,

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<v Speaker 1>and that appeal is still being decided as of the

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<v Speaker 1>time I'm recording this episode. Between the announcement and the

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<v Speaker 1>actual spinoff date, A O L would acquire another company

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<v Speaker 1>called Patch Media, and Patch Media oversaw community news websites

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<v Speaker 1>so reach local community news. It was also a company

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<v Speaker 1>that was co founded by Tim Armstrong, the leader of

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<v Speaker 1>A O L. A L would end up investing another

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<v Speaker 1>fifty million dollars in Patch in but in the company

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<v Speaker 1>announced it would be reducing the number of Patch sites

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<v Speaker 1>from nine hundred to six hundred, and also the company

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<v Speaker 1>would be laying off staff at all levels of the organization.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong also famously publicly fired Patches creative director over a

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<v Speaker 1>conference call on which all Patch employees were participating. Armstrong

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<v Speaker 1>would later apologize for this breach in etiquette. A O

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<v Speaker 1>L would spend off Patch and sell off its ownership.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand fourteen, in A O L purchased tech Crunch,

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<v Speaker 1>a tech news site that was founded back in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand five. Tech Crunch is still part of the overall

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<v Speaker 1>company that we'll get into how that company has changed

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<v Speaker 1>in just a little bit. Also in a o L

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<v Speaker 1>bought a young web hosting service called about dot me,

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<v Speaker 1>which had launched in October two thousand nine, so it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't even a full year old when a o L

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<v Speaker 1>bought it. About dot Me is meant as a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of centralized personal web page, and it's meant to coordinate

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<v Speaker 1>all the various online points of contact a person might

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<v Speaker 1>have in one place. So there are various social media accounts,

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<v Speaker 1>email addresses, websites, all that kind of stuff. And that way,

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<v Speaker 1>if you went to about dot me and you searched

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<v Speaker 1>for me, presumably you would find links to all the

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<v Speaker 1>different ways that I have an online presence, and I

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<v Speaker 1>can cultivate that, I can decide which ones they share

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<v Speaker 1>and which ones they don't, and like Bibo, this acquisition

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<v Speaker 1>ended up not being a great fit. Tony Conrad, who

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the co founders of about dot me,

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<v Speaker 1>was able to buy back majority ownership of the site

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<v Speaker 1>from A o L in two thousand thirteen, and it

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<v Speaker 1>had been two years and a month since a o

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<v Speaker 1>L had bought the company. The detail else of the

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<v Speaker 1>two business transactions how much A o L paid for

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<v Speaker 1>it and how much Conrad had to pay to get

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<v Speaker 1>it back were never made public, but Conrad did tell

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<v Speaker 1>The New York Times that he paid a fraction of

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<v Speaker 1>what A O L had paid for the company back in.

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<v Speaker 1>So once again, a O L buys a company and

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<v Speaker 1>then sells it off at a fraction of what it

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<v Speaker 1>paid for it once it realizes this wasn't a good

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<v Speaker 1>fit after all. It seems to be a pretty common theme.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand eleven, A O L made another big

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<v Speaker 1>media acquisition when it bought The Huffington Post for about

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred fifteen million dollars. Arianna Huffington's, the founder of

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<v Speaker 1>the Huffington's Post, was named a O L Content Chief,

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<v Speaker 1>and she held that position until two thousand sixteen, when

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<v Speaker 1>she would step down from A O L to concentrate

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<v Speaker 1>on a new startup called Thrive Global. The Huffington's Post

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<v Speaker 1>acquisition was in February two thousand eleven. In April two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand eleven, A O L would cut nine hundred staff

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<v Speaker 1>from The Huffington's Post. Now that included two hundred jobs

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States and seven hundred jobs in India.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Armstrong told reporters that the company's goal was to

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<v Speaker 1>move toward having s of a o L staff working

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<v Speaker 1>in editorial or other content divisions like tech Crunch. The

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<v Speaker 1>Huffington Post is still part of the overall company. Armstrong

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<v Speaker 1>was guiding a o L to focus more on creating

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<v Speaker 1>content and then advertising against that content, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>working as recently as Internet subscriptions made up of a

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<v Speaker 1>o L's revenue, but with Armstrong's changes, that was shifting

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<v Speaker 1>more toward revenue from advertising, which is good because again

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<v Speaker 1>the dial up service was not going to increase year

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<v Speaker 1>over year. In two thousand thirteen, the company posted its

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<v Speaker 1>first revenue gains year over year since two thousand five,

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<v Speaker 1>them in the company was finally growing again from revenue.

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<v Speaker 1>The company continued its course by acquiring a video ad

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<v Speaker 1>company called adapt dot tv for four hundred five million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>It actually was able to pull market share away from

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<v Speaker 1>Google this way, and in a o L would post

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<v Speaker 1>a one six million dollar profit. Also in al began

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<v Speaker 1>to face pressure from investors to make another really big move.

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<v Speaker 1>The pressure came from an American hedge fund called Starboard Value.

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<v Speaker 1>The organization owns shares and numerous companies, including A two

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<v Speaker 1>point four percent ownership of a O L. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was using its stake to influence how those companies are run,

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<v Speaker 1>which is something shareholders do all the time. You can

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<v Speaker 1>vote because of your shares, although the amount of influence

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<v Speaker 1>you can exert is based on how many shares you hold.

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<v Speaker 1>If you hold one share and a company has millions

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<v Speaker 1>of shares out in the market, your vote probably isn't

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<v Speaker 1>going to make a whole lot of difference. Starboard is

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes called an activist investor because it takes such an

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<v Speaker 1>active role in steering the course of the companies that

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<v Speaker 1>it invests. In The specific direction that the investors wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to push A O L toward was in a merger

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<v Speaker 1>with Yahoo. Starboard was similarly putting pressure on Yahoo because

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<v Speaker 1>it had steak in Yahoo as well. Spoiler alert, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, those two companies AOL and Yahoo would eventually

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<v Speaker 1>be brought together, but not through this method. At the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong would refer to the proposed merger as quote a

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<v Speaker 1>dead notion end quote. And then we get to and

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<v Speaker 1>another really big change for A O L. Armstrong had

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<v Speaker 1>been leading the company since two thousand nine. His leadership

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<v Speaker 1>was marked by both success in the form of guiding

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<v Speaker 1>a o L too year over year revenue gains and

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<v Speaker 1>some failures like the mess with Patch, but overall a

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<v Speaker 1>O L was in much better shape as a standalone

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<v Speaker 1>company adapting to the realities of a broadband connected Internet

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<v Speaker 1>than it had been when it was under the umbrella

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<v Speaker 1>of Time Warner. In two thousand fifteen, another company would

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<v Speaker 1>step up to change things, and that company was Verizon.

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<v Speaker 1>Verizon is a telecommunications conglomerate that traces its history back

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<v Speaker 1>to A T and T. In the eighties, the United

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<v Speaker 1>States Justice Department ordered A T and T to break

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<v Speaker 1>up the system of companies that had been under the

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<v Speaker 1>Bell system. It's named after the Bell Telephone Company, and

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately it's named after Alexander Graham Bell. A T and

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<v Speaker 1>T was originally one of the companies under the American

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<v Speaker 1>Bell Telephone Company, but then A T and T would

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<v Speaker 1>go on to acquire the assets of its parent company

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<v Speaker 1>and become the new parent company back in eight By

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen eighties, the U. S Government had determined that

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<v Speaker 1>the Bell system was a monopoly and ordered A T

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<v Speaker 1>and T to break up the system so that there

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<v Speaker 1>would be multiple competing companies operating the telephone service Bell

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<v Speaker 1>Atlantic was one of the is that was broken up

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<v Speaker 1>in this process. Bell Atlantic itself consists of four smaller

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<v Speaker 1>telephone companies, or it did at the time, and eventually

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<v Speaker 1>Bell Atlantic would become Verizon in two thousand. That was

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<v Speaker 1>when Bell Atlantic merged with another telecommunications company called GTE Corporation,

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<v Speaker 1>and thus Verizon was born. Verizon acquired A o L

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<v Speaker 1>for four point four billion dollars in cash, a huge

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<v Speaker 1>amount of money, but a pittance compared to the hundred

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<v Speaker 1>sixty billion dollar deal that had taken place between A

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<v Speaker 1>O L and Time Warner. Analysts said that Verizon's motivation

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<v Speaker 1>was likely fueled by a slowing mobile market. At the

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<v Speaker 1>time of the acquisition, Verizon was sitting at number fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>on the Fortune five D list. Today it's down to sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Still still not bad, but success depended heavily on growing

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<v Speaker 1>the mobile market, and as more people by mobile phones,

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<v Speaker 1>the demand was was decreasing, right there fewer people who

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a mobile phone. Grabbing a O L, which

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<v Speaker 1>was making real progress in online advertising must have looked

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<v Speaker 1>like a pretty sweet deal. But we've seen that before

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<v Speaker 1>in this series, haven't we. Where companies have thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just get this other company that's already got its

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<v Speaker 1>hand in in this industry, and then we can just profit.

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<v Speaker 1>So what actually happened, Well, I'll tell you, but first

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<v Speaker 1>let's take another quick break to thank our sponsor. Tim

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong stayed in the driver's seat at A O L.

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<v Speaker 1>Upon the Verizon acquisition. The company continued to focus on

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<v Speaker 1>ad revenues, and it also launched a news service called One.

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<v Speaker 1>One represented a unification of a O L's various ad products,

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<v Speaker 1>including the ones the company had acquired by buying other companies,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of making a central, one stop shop for advertisers.

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<v Speaker 1>According to a tech Crunch p on the product, the

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<v Speaker 1>idea was that advertisers could use that tool to optimize

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<v Speaker 1>campaigns across all of a O L's capabilities, which would

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<v Speaker 1>include television, video, web based ads. So you would come

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<v Speaker 1>up to A O L and say, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>run an advertising campaign about this product. Here's my budget.

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<v Speaker 1>How can we make the best use of this so

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<v Speaker 1>that we reached the most people. While searching for stories

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<v Speaker 1>about A O l that were centered around this particular

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<v Speaker 1>time of its history, one thing that jumped out at

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<v Speaker 1>me was how many media outlets posted surprise takes on

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that in two thousand fifteen, a o L

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<v Speaker 1>still had two point one million customers using dial up service.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, i'd said back in two thousand seven that

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<v Speaker 1>was still having you know, millions of people. Two thousand fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>still two point one million people using dial up. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the surprise that the media reacted with strikes me as

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<v Speaker 1>a little elitist. Actually, it strikes me as a lot elitist,

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<v Speaker 1>because it can be very easy for people like me,

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<v Speaker 1>someone who lives in a large city, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>a decent sized city, to forget that broadband penetration isn't

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<v Speaker 1>uniform throughout the United States. There's still some areas that

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<v Speaker 1>have very limited broadband support. And then not everyone is

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<v Speaker 1>using the internet to watch episodes of Stranger Things or

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<v Speaker 1>download the latest Red Dead Redemption game. Some people, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they're older, and maybe they have less experience with technology.

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<v Speaker 1>A o L represents something they're comfortable using, they know

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<v Speaker 1>how it works. They're not ready to move over to

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<v Speaker 1>something else. So it's no surprise that there's still customers there. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that there are two million, Maybe that's surprising, but that

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<v Speaker 1>was the case at least in two thousand fifteen. The

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<v Speaker 1>last time I saw a report on this was dated

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand seventeen and the number had not changed. It's

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<v Speaker 1>still it's still said two point one million subscribers. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that those two thousand seventeen reports

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<v Speaker 1>were based on the exact same information that just hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>been updated. In two thousand sixteen, Verizon announced that it

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<v Speaker 1>intended to acquire Yahoo, more specifically Yahoo's Internet assets, because

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<v Speaker 1>the company is another big, big company, and some of

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<v Speaker 1>Yahoo was tied up in investments with Ali Baba. That

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<v Speaker 1>part of Yahoo would be renamed out Baba, so that

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<v Speaker 1>part would not be picked up by Verizon. Verizon would

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<v Speaker 1>just pick up the Internet part of Yah Who's business.

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<v Speaker 1>So now that desire to bring a O L and

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<v Speaker 1>Yahoo together could finally come true. It wasn't through a

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<v Speaker 1>merger directly between AOL and Yahoo. It was from a

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<v Speaker 1>third company buying both of those properties. Now, the deal

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<v Speaker 1>was for four point four eight billion dollars to buy Yahoo.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not a smooth process. Yeah Who was a

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<v Speaker 1>troubled company. It had been struggling to remain relevant over

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<v Speaker 1>the past several years, and just months after Verizon and

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<v Speaker 1>Yahoo had announced this upcoming deal, this this planned acquisition,

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<v Speaker 1>Yahoo revealed that it had been the target of hackers

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<v Speaker 1>and that a serious data breach, I'm talking one of

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest data breaches of all time had taken place,

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<v Speaker 1>affecting potentially five hundred million people half a billion people.

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<v Speaker 1>The deal somehow stayed in place even in the wake

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<v Speaker 1>of that announcement. It did get marked down because originally

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<v Speaker 1>the deal was for four point eight billion dollars. They

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<v Speaker 1>marked off about three fifty million dollars off of it

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<v Speaker 1>upon the completion of the deal. A year later, Marissa Meyer,

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<v Speaker 1>who was the CEO of Yahoo she had come over

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<v Speaker 1>from Google, resigned. Tim Armstrong would head up this combined

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<v Speaker 1>company of A O L and Yahoo. Tim Armstrong would

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<v Speaker 1>head up the combined company of A O L and Yahoo,

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<v Speaker 1>and that combined company got a new name. It was

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<v Speaker 1>called and still is both O A T. H, a

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<v Speaker 1>name that a lot of people met with Ye Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>The deal would also mean layoffs, frequently that does happen

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<v Speaker 1>with mergers. The Washington Post reported that two thousand former

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<v Speaker 1>Yahoo or A O L employees would lose their jobs

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<v Speaker 1>as these two businesses merged, and the various departments were reorganized,

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<v Speaker 1>and while the Yahoo acquisition was slowly developing, before it

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<v Speaker 1>had become finalized, a o L was still buying stuff

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<v Speaker 1>in the company purchased a content company called Riot r

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<v Speaker 1>y O T. That's a company that makes specialty films

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<v Speaker 1>and documentaries for formats like VR or three D sixty

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<v Speaker 1>degree film, and Tim Armstrong would hire a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>k Guru gol Roppin as the chief operating officer of

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<v Speaker 1>OATH He had been a global managing director with Ali Baba,

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:09.639
<v Speaker 1>and while Armstrong didn't know it, he had also just

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 1>hired his own replacement. According to various news stories, Armstrong

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<v Speaker 1>had wanted to convince Verizon to spin off OATH as

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<v Speaker 1>its own independent company, sort of the same way that

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<v Speaker 1>Time Warner had spun off A o L a decade earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Armstrong would be heading up a really big content

0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 1>and advertising company with powerful assets, free to pursue its

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:40.840
<v Speaker 1>own businesses, not tied down to Verizon. But Verizon's leadership

0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 1>never really saw eye to eye on that vision. Lowell McAdams,

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<v Speaker 1>who was the CEO of Verizon, announced in June of

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<v Speaker 1>that he was going to step down. He led the

0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 1>company precisely for seven years. He stepped down on his

0:28:56.360 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>seventh anniversary of taking the CEO position over at Verizon,

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<v Speaker 1>so he steps down. His replacement was the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>had been the ct O of Verizon, Hans Vestberg. Hans

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Vestberg had previously been the CEO of Ericsson. Well after

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 1>the transition, Vestberg decides to reorganize Oath, and Armstrong saw

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 1>much of his responsibilities stripped away and handed over to

0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Go Roppin. And so in September two eighteen, Armstrong announces

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 1>he's resigning from Oath and Go Robin then took the

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 1>helm of Oath. He becomes the new CEO of the company.

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Thus Armstrong had hired his own replacement. Now the day

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<v Speaker 1>that I record this, which is in December two eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Oath is in the news again. Verizon filed papers with

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<v Speaker 1>the Security Exchange Commission the SEC. Two. This is something

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<v Speaker 1>that all publicly traded companies have to do. They have

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<v Speaker 1>to file paperwork with the SEC to let them know

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:03.760
<v Speaker 1>about things like how much money they make. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>transparency thing. So in this filing, the Verizon has written

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<v Speaker 1>off four point six billion dollars pre tax, and that

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 1>right off is the result of Verizon buying Yahoo and

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 1>A A O L. And then realizing that apparently these

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 1>companies are actually worth less than what Verizon had paid

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 1>for them. Essentially, they overpaid for those companies and they

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>need to write off four point six billion dollars because

0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 1>of the the shortfall here. So once again we get

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:42.760
<v Speaker 1>this very familiar story. One it seems like history really

0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:46.680
<v Speaker 1>is repeating itself. Vesperg doesn't seem terribly interested in the

0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 1>media side of Verizon's business, and by that I mean Oath,

0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 1>So right now it looks a little grim in the

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:57.680
<v Speaker 1>short term for people who work at Oath. Verizon is

0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:01.360
<v Speaker 1>offering up a voluntary separation pro Graham. That's a nice

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 1>way of saying, we need we need some of you

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:06.480
<v Speaker 1>guys to leave. We need a lot of you guys

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 1>to leave, and we're offering up a package. If you

0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:12.920
<v Speaker 1>take this package, you're gonna get some compensation, You're gonna

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 1>get some severance pay uh, And we don't have to

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 1>have the pain of going through a list and deciding

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 1>who we're going to lay off. So this is to

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 1>try and take as many of those people out of

0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:27.920
<v Speaker 1>the decision making process of who do lay off as possible.

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 1>But if they don't meet the goal for the number

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 1>of people who depart, they will start laying off employees.

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 1>The estimate right now is that the company expects to

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 1>shed ten thousand, four hundred employees total. This is all

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 1>a Verizon, not necessarily just from Oath. By June two

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:52.480
<v Speaker 1>thousand nineteen. As for OATH specifically and that filing, Verizon

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 1>said that the company quote has experienced increased competitive and

0:31:57.240 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 1>market pressures throughout two thousand eighteen that have resulted in

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 1>lower than expected revenues and earnings. These pressures are expected

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>to continue and have resulted in a loss of market

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 1>positioning to our competitors in the digital advertising business end quote.

0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 1>So in other words, what it's sort of saying is, Hey,

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 1>those guys who are in charge earlier, you know, not us,

0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 1>but those other guys who used to lead the company.

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 1>They thought we were going to do way better than

0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>what we actually are doing right now. But they weren't

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:33.040
<v Speaker 1>able to anticipate the market conditions or how well our

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>competitors were going to do. But we, you know, the

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 1>new guys who are in charge now we have to

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:41.800
<v Speaker 1>deal with the mess that they left, and we also

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 1>understand it's going to be really tough over the next

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 1>few years. That's essentially what their filing says. And it's

0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>a warning this that says, don't expect us to turn

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 1>this around overnight. So what is going to happen next

0:32:56.200 --> 0:33:00.600
<v Speaker 1>for oaths, or specifically to a o L. That's something

0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 1>of an open question as I record this episode, and

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 1>maybe by the time you hear it it will have

0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 1>been answered it. Maybe that Verizon will decide to spin

0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:13.280
<v Speaker 1>off the company after all, because Vestberg doesn't really seem

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>all that interested in developing a media company. It's not

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:22.480
<v Speaker 1>likely to go away because the company still does generate revenue.

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:26.000
<v Speaker 1>It's not like it's hemorrhaging money left and right. It's

0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 1>just not the transformative property that Verizon was hoping it

0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:32.400
<v Speaker 1>would be when it made the acquisition, which again, I

0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:35.920
<v Speaker 1>think you could argue convincingly would be the full history

0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 1>of a o L. Baron's, by the way, has an

0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:42.280
<v Speaker 1>article that cites Wells Fargo analyst Jennifer Fritzscha and she

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:46.040
<v Speaker 1>wrote that quote, the hype of OATH has been over

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 1>for some time. While we believed in the white board

0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>concept of OATH offering a new digital advertiser of choice,

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 1>beyond Google and Facebook. We think this has been an

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<v Speaker 1>uphell fight for Verizon without a significant amount of gale

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:04.959
<v Speaker 1>and content ownership end quote. And that's the story of

0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 1>a o L so far, from a startup in the

0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:11.279
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighties that provided a bulletin board like service to

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Commodore sixty four users all the way up to a

0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>cog in an enormous multibillion dollar global corporate machine that's

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 1>giving off a little smoke at the moment. The upcoming

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 1>departures and layoffs will likely mean things will continue to

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:30.759
<v Speaker 1>change for folks over at a o L. But hopefully

0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:33.800
<v Speaker 1>those who are working in the content side will continue

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:37.799
<v Speaker 1>to have gainful employment. As someone who creates stuff for

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 1>the internet, podcasts, the occasional article. I feel a lot

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:45.359
<v Speaker 1>of empathy for people who work at other companies that

0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:48.040
<v Speaker 1>go through these big changes. I've gone through changes like

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 1>that multiple times myself. I've been very fortunate so far,

0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:55.160
<v Speaker 1>but you can't take that for granted. Those things can

0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 1>really shake things up, and it's it's a huge impact

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:02.600
<v Speaker 1>on the lives of old people. So I hope it

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:06.239
<v Speaker 1>turns out for the best for everybody concern. That is

0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:08.919
<v Speaker 1>the conclusion of the a o L story so far,

0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:13.840
<v Speaker 1>America Online probably has several years left in its history.

0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:15.719
<v Speaker 1>I sure hope it does. I hope it doesn't just

0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:18.360
<v Speaker 1>go away, so I'll probably have to do an update

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 1>a follow up episode at some point in the future.

0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 1>But this was a really fascinating story to look into,

0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:30.880
<v Speaker 1>very complicated from a business perspective, but interesting and and

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:35.920
<v Speaker 1>connected to so many other companies, whether directly through mergers

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 1>and acquisitions or through competition. If you guys have any

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