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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a butch podcast. We come to

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Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. This week it's Masters week, and we

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Speaker 1: had him on last year, and I think we're going

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Speaker 1: to make it an annual event. Butch Arm and my

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Speaker 1: dad getting his takes on the twenty twenty three Masters,

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Speaker 1: and then tomorrow a bonus episode where we put out

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Speaker 1: questions the other day kind of an ass book section.

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Speaker 1: But m wanted to get kind of his ideas, kind

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Speaker 1: of his thoughts on the twenty twenty three Masters, you know,

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Speaker 1: a little bit about the golf course, kind of his

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Speaker 1: thoughts on that, the favorites, and I think it's always

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Speaker 1: good to get kind of Butche's kind of take. He's

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Speaker 1: going to be doing TV for Sky this year. But

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Speaker 1: I mean he's been a huge part of Augusta, you know,

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Speaker 1: as a broadcaster, he's worked with players that have won there,

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Speaker 1: and then obviously having a father that has won there

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Speaker 1: in the forties. It's it's kind of in my dad's

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Speaker 1: DNA Augusta National and it's a special place for him.

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Speaker 1: So let's sit back and enjoy listening to his thoughts

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Speaker 1: on the upcoming twenty twenty three Masters. All right, Dad,

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Speaker 1: So we did this last year. I think we're gonna

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Speaker 1: make this a annual event for Augusta. What is it

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Speaker 1: about Augusta, Dad that is so I guess special? That

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Speaker 1: makes it so much different? Is it because it's the

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Speaker 1: first major championship of the year, the fact that they

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Speaker 1: go there every time, But it just seems like, unlike

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Speaker 1: any other major, the buzz around going to august every

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Speaker 1: year is completely different than the rest of them. Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, it is the first one of the year.

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Speaker 1: It's always been an Augusta National, the most iconic place

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Speaker 1: for a major championship because we've all seen it for

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Speaker 1: all these years on TV. And it's also a very

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Speaker 1: small field. I think only eighty nine players this year.

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Speaker 1: So those guys cherish that invitation when they get one

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Speaker 1: because it's some place they want to be. They want

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Speaker 1: to be there this time of year. And then the

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Speaker 1: golf course, you know, the golf course is iconic, it's beautiful,

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Speaker 1: it changes every year. It lends itself to heroics on

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Speaker 1: the back nine. You know the old adage that the

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Speaker 1: Master's done to start until the back nine on Sunday, Well,

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Speaker 1: that's that's true. You know, we think about all the

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Speaker 1: great things we've seen to happen in the disasters we've

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Speaker 1: seen happen. We've seen all of that, and you tie

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Speaker 1: all that into one thing and it's just the Masters.

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Speaker 1: And besides that, it's the finest run event in the world,

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Speaker 1: not just a sporting event. There's no event in the

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Speaker 1: world run. It is properly as first class and as

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Speaker 1: good as August is. You would think that with the

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Speaker 1: fact that it's at the same golf course every year,

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Speaker 1: the fact that you know where everything, even if you've

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Speaker 1: never been there, you've you can have watched it so

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Speaker 1: many times, you would think that it would I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying would be an easy place to add to win,

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Speaker 1: but it's definitely a place that I think you can

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Speaker 1: become incredibly knew you're win. Would you agree, absolutely? Fuzzies

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Speaker 1: Ella was really, in modern times, the only first time

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Speaker 1: But you know there's something about the place is they

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Speaker 1: change something every year. You'll see the part three courses

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Speaker 1: completely different. Now they've redone the whole thing. They change

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Speaker 1: certain spots on the greens. Thirteenth tea is a new tea.

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Speaker 1: They moved it back almost forty yards. Jack Nichols has

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Speaker 1: the four Majors to win, the reason being number one,

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Speaker 1: they invite all the former champions. They invite a lot

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Speaker 1: of the amateur winners, so you know that eliminates about

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Speaker 1: it's the first Masters, but it was the easiest one

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Speaker 1: Having said that, the cream changes arrives to the top,

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Speaker 1: Harold Barner said they were up there. Recently said there's

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Speaker 1: changes have been at thirteen. What did you notice, I mean,

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Speaker 1: And that was the whole idea that they wanted to

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Speaker 1: don't have to go at every one of these flags.

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Speaker 1: Give us some holes dead. Obviously, everybody knows the iconic

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Speaker 1: you look at John Romm, They're the three best players

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Speaker 1: in the world. I'm gonna go out on a limb

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Speaker 1: right now. I think Rory mcclroy is gonna win the

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Speaker 1: Masters this year. He's my pick. I'm gonna I will

435
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Speaker 1: say it. I'll say when I'm on Sky during the week.

436
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Speaker 1: I actually think he has playing as good as he's

437
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Speaker 1: ever played. With a new Scottie Cameron putter that he

438
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Speaker 1: switched to. He putted beautifully into match play. He's the

439
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Speaker 1: best driver in the game when his game is there,

440
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Speaker 1: and I think his game is coming together, and I

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Speaker 1: really think this is going to be his week. Now.

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Speaker 1: Having said that, those three top guys had just dominated

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Speaker 1: golf unbelievable, and John ram I mean, he may be

444
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Speaker 1: the best player in the world. Who knows. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's been unbelievable. Scottish Cheffler. Eighteen months ago, a lot

446
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Speaker 1: of people didn't know who he was. Now he's defending

447
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Speaker 1: Master Champion, he's won four or five times. He's just

448
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Speaker 1: run off. He's the number one player in the world.

449
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Speaker 1: It's impressive. His coach Randy Smith, who's a good friend

450
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Speaker 1: of mine. I commend Randy tremendously for the work he's

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Speaker 1: done with Scottish Cheffler. It's unbelievable. But I think this

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Speaker 1: is Rory's year. I really do. I know I'm going

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Speaker 1: out on the limb. No, I will not take Rory

454
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Speaker 1: and give you the field. That's not going to happen.

455
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Speaker 1: I just feel it's his time. I mean, you're not really,

456
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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, going out on the limb. You're

457
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Speaker 1: kicking Rory mac Roy to win around the ghost. I mean,

458
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's as much of a layup as it is. Dad.

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Speaker 1: What does he have to do to win that he

460
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Speaker 1: hasn't done before? Control his mind, control his mind, stay

461
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Speaker 1: in the moment, don't get ahead, don't get behind. The

462
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Speaker 1: two best players again that we've ever had Jack Nicholas

463
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Speaker 1: and tiger woods. The last shot never happened. As soon

464
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Speaker 1: as they've hit it good or bad, it's gone. They

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Speaker 1: move on to the next one. If Rory can control

466
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Speaker 1: his mind and drive the ball the way you and

467
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Speaker 1: I know he can drive, he's one of the guys

468
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Speaker 1: that can make this golf course look easier. And with

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Speaker 1: some of these new teas, the fact that his natural

470
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Speaker 1: shot is a draw and not a fade, that's going

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Speaker 1: to help him. Normally, I wouldn't say that because faders

472
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Speaker 1: have won the Masters a lot, but now as some

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Speaker 1: of these new teas, thirteen especially, you've got to take

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Speaker 1: it right to laft Or. And like you said a

475
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Speaker 1: few months ago, when DJ needs to hit a drying

476
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Speaker 1: and hit a driver, he hits the three wood because

477
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Speaker 1: he can draw it better. So Roy's just Rory. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've been saying this a long time. How has he

479
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Speaker 1: not won the Master him? And he's had his chances

480
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Speaker 1: and he's blown him. You remember a few years ago

481
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Speaker 1: he was leading, all of a sudden the tent total

482
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Speaker 1: jumped up and grabbed him and he went sideways like

483
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Speaker 1: Greg did and that way back and when he lost

484
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Speaker 1: his you know, but it's it's just it's the Masters,

485
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Speaker 1: it's the first major and the other thing that people

486
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Speaker 1: don't talk about. It's probably the greatest fraternity in golf

487
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Speaker 1: to be in that locker room upstairs, in the real cuphouse,

488
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Speaker 1: the main cuphouse, because everybody else is in another building

489
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Speaker 1: down to the left, and everybody wants to be in

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Speaker 1: that locker room. They all want that green jacket, and

491
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Speaker 1: we're about to find out who's going to get it. Well.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I think that Rory, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you just couldn't believe in twenty fourteen if somebody told

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Speaker 1: you in twenty twenty three, Roy McElroy and Brooks Keptko

495
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Speaker 1: would have the same amount of majors, because in fourteen

496
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Speaker 1: Brooks had none and Rory was winning him all the time.

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Speaker 1: It seems like at times he's put himself behind the

498
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Speaker 1: eight ball and not gotten off to a good start.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of had that first round where he's overpower

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Speaker 1: and then he has to press You and I both

501
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Speaker 1: know that. Augusta and the way they set the golf

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Speaker 1: course up, it is a hard golf course to go

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Speaker 1: out and press on. A lot of people don't know

504
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Speaker 1: Dad how they set the golf course up. I know you,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know you have so many friends that

506
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Speaker 1: are part of that. Talk a little bit about how

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Speaker 1: they set it up and how they want it to

508
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: be set up Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Well, they

509
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Speaker 1: can kind of control the flow of the tournament. They

510
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Speaker 1: have subair systems in the green. We're gonna have rain

511
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Speaker 1: this week for the Masters, and but they can suck

512
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Speaker 1: that water right out of the greens overnight. You'll hear

513
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Speaker 1: those those subair things going when you walk around. They

514
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Speaker 1: can create a golf course that will either let you

515
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Speaker 1: have a chance to shoot real low or give you

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Speaker 1: a chance not to shoot solo. They like the error

517
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Speaker 1: in the middle, unlike the USGA, who will tell you

518
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Speaker 1: they want part to be the barometer and see who

519
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Speaker 1: can do it. August is not that they like to

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00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: set it up where it's exciting, but fair as fair

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Speaker 1: as it can be on some of those screens, because

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Speaker 1: there's not a lot of flat spots and that's what

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Speaker 1: you need, and so that that part of it plays

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Speaker 1: into it. But I think it's always exciting. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it goes back to what we said it

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Speaker 1: is the first major of the year. It's always in

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Speaker 1: the same place. Can you imagine if the Open Championship,

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Speaker 1: which I love, has always played at Saint Andrew's that

529
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Speaker 1: would be amazing. Now, then the courses are great, don't

530
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Speaker 1: don't get to be wrong, and it's not going to happen.

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Speaker 1: But if it was just always at Saint Andrews, it

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Speaker 1: would be cash it would be even better. Do you

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Speaker 1: think they have similar to the USA? The USGA loves

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Speaker 1: it when nobody's under par and everybody's over par. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that the Paris would be at Augusta dott

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Speaker 1: have an idea of a score that they have in

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Speaker 1: mind that they want. Yeah. I think they look at

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Speaker 1: what the weather conditions are going to be, what the

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Speaker 1: conditions of course are going to be. Actually win plays

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Speaker 1: a huge part at this golf course. They look at

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Speaker 1: that in advance. They have done all their homer They

542
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Speaker 1: have had every shot charted that's ever been hit there

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00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: in the last twenty five thirty yards on every every hole,

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Speaker 1: every fair way. They know exactly where the balls go,

545
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Speaker 1: they know how everything acts on the greens, and they

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Speaker 1: have total control of that because of the fact it's

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Speaker 1: always played there. And I don't think they set it

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Speaker 1: up like the USGA. They don't have a problem with

549
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Speaker 1: guys shooting under par. They just want to set it

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Speaker 1: up where it's fair. It's difficult, but it gives you

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Speaker 1: a chance if you can control your ball and if

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Speaker 1: you can put to have a chance to make birdies

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Speaker 1: and eagles. Yeah. And I think that if you look

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Speaker 1: at the players that have won there before, talk to

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Speaker 1: me about the rolled out of the caddies at Augusta,

556
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Speaker 1: because I think if you look at you know, I

557
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Speaker 1: mean the partnership of Tiger and Stevie, you know fill

558
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Speaker 1: and Bones, you know Nicholas and all his great caddies.

559
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Speaker 1: But even Adam Scott talks, you know, he's been talking

560
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Speaker 1: a lot, you know, leading up to this about when

561
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: he won there where Stevie Williams called him off and said, no, no.

562
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Speaker 1: The role of the caddy there because the winds can

563
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: swirl around, it is kind of a a tournament where

564
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: that relationship I think is really important. Oh, there's no

565
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: doubt about it. And it's a trust factor. It's a

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Speaker 1: trust factor and the player and the caddies. There's a

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Speaker 1: few guys going in there this year with new caddies,

568
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: and that's going to be interesting to see how that

569
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Speaker 1: plays out. You know, that's going to be interesting to

570
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: see what happens there. Most of the guys that are

571
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Speaker 1: in contention have played a lot of Masters. Like I said,

572
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Speaker 1: there's only been one first time winner since the first

573
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Speaker 1: one started, obviously, and that was Fuzzy many many years ago.

574
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Speaker 1: So it's hard to be a first time winner there.

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Speaker 1: And you've got to have a caddy that really understands

576
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: the nuances of the golf course, the places where you

577
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: can hit at the places you can't hit it. Caddies

578
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: play a huge part every week, a gigantic part at

579
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Speaker 1: the Masters. You said they've completely redesigned the Part three

580
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: tournament for people that have never been to Augusta. I

581
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: mean not. Part three is as cool as as it comes.

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Speaker 1: I mean it is such a cool, cool part of

583
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Speaker 1: the golf course, but also a huge part of the tradition.

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Speaker 1: Your dad made back to back holer ones sure did,

585
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: yeah about in the sixties. Yeah, and which holes? I

586
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: told them me as the dad, You're the only guy

587
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Speaker 1: I know you played a nine hole course. You made

588
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: two aces, and you didn't win the tournament. I said,

589
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Speaker 1: I'm sure that you know what's going to well, you know,

590
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: you know what he said to me. So what do

591
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: you shoot that day? Oh yeah, that's right. You're not

592
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: in the Masters to get it. But the new Part

593
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: three design is spectacular. They've changed The last three holes

594
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: are pretty much the same, but they've changed all the

595
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: others and there's big mounding around it. You can stand

596
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: on every tea and every green and see just about

597
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: every hole on the course. So spectacular For the spectators,

598
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: it's just another thing that they do there that's just

599
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: separate than others, and this makes them special. Um, Live

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00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: guys playing at Augusta. I mean it's going to be

601
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Speaker 1: the first major, you know since Live had their first season,

602
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: all that bullshit and drama. Where do you think, where

603
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: do you think we're gonna get me all that? I

604
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: don't think there's going to be any drama at all.

605
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: I think the Live players, I think there's eighteen of

606
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: them playing, their six former champions playing there. I think

607
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: out of respect to the Masters and what it is,

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna here see the guys handle it

609
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: very well. And I wouldn't surprise me that every time

610
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Speaker 1: in a press conference some of them ask them about

611
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: to live. Their aunts would be you know, I'm here

612
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: to playing the Masters. Let's talk about that. At least

613
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Speaker 1: that's the way I hope it is. Now. What you

614
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, you hear all this animosity that these players

615
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: they hate each other and stuff. Well, where you live

616
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: down there? There must be thirty something tour pros live

617
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: down there, and a bunch of them are on live

618
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: and they all play with these guys when they're home.

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Speaker 1: So there isn't The press wants to make this out

620
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: more than anyone, And I think between Greg and Monahan,

621
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Speaker 1: they've kind of thrown fuel on the fire too. I

622
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: think the guys just want to play off, and I

623
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Speaker 1: think you're going to see that at Augusta. So that

624
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: was part one of kind of Augusta Masters preview show.

625
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: Kind of got some good stuff there from Butch about

626
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: his thoughts on what he kind of who the favorites are,

627
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: a little bit about the golf course. He's obviously played

628
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: the golf course recently, so who better to talk about

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Speaker 1: the changes. He's actually seen them firsthand, but always fascinating

630
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Speaker 1: to kind of get his take. Tomorrow, it will be

631
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Speaker 1: a kind of ask Butch where he answers your questions.

632
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: You're not gonna want to miss that as well, So

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Speaker 1: two episodes this week, a little preview show today and

634
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Speaker 1: then a little butch answers your questions tomorrow. So make

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Speaker 1: sure you join us again tomorrow, Son of a which

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Speaker 1: comes to you every Wednesday. We'll see everyone tomorrow.