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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading The Bengals Booth Podcast.

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Speaker 2: The Gimmages one more last chance addition, as the Bengals

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Speaker 2: Saturday night. Coming up, I'll talk to Boomer about Burrow.

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Speaker 2: and it's one of the things I discussed with my

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Speaker 2: first guest on this episode. With all of this Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow MVP talk, it is the perfect time to catch

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Speaker 2: up with the bengals last most Valuable Player, Boomer Assiasin Boomer,

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Speaker 2: your MVP season was your fifth year in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: This is Joe Burrow's fifth year in the NFL. What

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Speaker 2: do you find remarkable about what he's been doing this year?

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Speaker 3: Seems like he's been around a hell of a lot

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Speaker 3: longer than five years.

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Speaker 4: I can tell you that.

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Speaker 3: He's already jem packed in an entire career into those

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Speaker 3: five years. You know, I think his growth, his leadership.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's kind of an odd duck a little bit,

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Speaker 3: which I like, he's his own person, But you know,

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Speaker 3: you can't deny the historical things that he is doing

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Speaker 3: doing something only Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers have done,

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Speaker 3: and that's forty five hundred yards forty touchdowns in less

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Speaker 3: than ten interceptions in a season, and I would say

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Speaker 3: to you, in a normal season, that would be the

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Speaker 3: runaway MVP numbers, and nobody would have a problem voting

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Speaker 3: for them. Unfortunately for them, because they're not in the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: because they're not winning their division, because they have to

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Speaker 3: hang on here at the end, he's probably going to

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Speaker 3: get less votes because of that. I think there will

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Speaker 3: be some people that do vote for him. I no

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Speaker 3: longer have a vote, by the way, I gave that

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Speaker 3: up this year. I would say that Lamar Jackson and

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen right now have to be one A and

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Speaker 3: week of the season, maybe Lamar there was something even

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Speaker 3: more historical and throws for over four thousand or uns

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Speaker 1: I'm a broadcaster.

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Speaker 2: I've got a healthy ego, like a lot of people

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Speaker 2: or where. I say, you know what, I'm good, but

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Speaker 2: I'm not that good.

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Speaker 1: You had a phenomenal fourteen year NFL career.

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Speaker 2: But is there anything about Joe where you say, man,

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Speaker 2: I could have never done that or I didn't have that.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, first of all, they play in a

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Speaker 3: to be cerebraled, you got to be a leader, you

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I wish that Joe had a top ten defense,

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Speaker 3: thing that's remarkable to me is this run that Joe

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Speaker 3: can see on this Hard Knocks AFC North how in

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Speaker 3: control of the team is, how he is the leader,

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Speaker 3: how everybody loves poking fun at him. He pokes fun

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Speaker 3: great things that I see. And those are the things,

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Speaker 3: by the way, Dan, that I expected five years ago

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Speaker 3: I can imagine that Mike Brown and everybody in Bengaledon

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Speaker 2: Boomer, you were never shy about expressing your opinion in

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Speaker 1: Do you like that when you hear.

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Speaker 3: It, I just be careful about it. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: they need help, and they need help on defense in

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Speaker 3: the offseason. Regardless of what happens this year, maybe somehow

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Speaker 3: But this offseason, when I look at it, it's not

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Speaker 3: I just I hope for him that the team becomes

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Speaker 2: Does that make you reluctant to extend both wide receivers.

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Speaker 3: I don't see how you can. Your quarterback's making fifty

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Speaker 3: five million dollars a year, Jamar Chase will be the

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Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson, and he deserves to. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: I see a lot of stuff on X and I

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Speaker 3: because you know, they want T Higgins or Jamar Chase

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Speaker 3: t Higgins deserves to be paid. I think he's a

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Speaker 3: probably thirty to maybe thirty one hundred and twenty million

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Speaker 3: And quite frankly, if if you're a part of the NFLPA,

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Speaker 3: which they all are, their job is to eclipse the

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Speaker 3: guy that's in front of them when they are worthy

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Speaker 3: of it. And that's exactly what Jamar Chase's situation is

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Speaker 3: right now. So ninety million dollars to a quarterback wide

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Speaker 2: Let's specifically talk about Jamar. He hasn't even turned twenty

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Speaker 3: His length, first and foremost combined with his speed, so

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Speaker 3: the closest guy I had was Eddie Brown. Eddie Brown

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Speaker 3: had an innate ability to understand where he was on

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Speaker 3: there was always the thought that he was going to

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Speaker 3: intangible things that you know. You don't know until you

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Speaker 3: you know what kind of player they are are. You know,

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Speaker 3: Chris and Tim McGee, Chris Comsworth and Tim McGee, they

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Speaker 3: But Jamar is a freak athlete and he's got enormous hands,

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Speaker 3: so he very rarely ever drops the ball. That's why

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Speaker 3: when he drops the ball, you're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: I can't believe he just dropped the ball. So and

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Speaker 3: the combination and you know, the collection of playmakers that

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Speaker 4: I mean, Paul.

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Speaker 3: Brown Stadium, all the orange and black the way it looks,

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Speaker 3: to watch it up close and personal. It's just a

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Speaker 3: shame that I don't I just unfortunately, I don't think

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Speaker 2: Man, Well, let's talk about the first thing they need

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Speaker 2: to do, and that is beat Pittsburgh on Saturday night.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers won the first meeting forty four to thirty eight.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals haven't lost the game since. What do they

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Speaker 3: So Joe's throwing fourteen interceptions against this defense. They were

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Speaker 3: a pain in the ass when I played. They're a

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Speaker 3: to be a pain in the ass that Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 3: But the last couple of times he's throwing for over

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't know a lot of people who have

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Speaker 1: The film is Second Win.

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Speaker 2: Over the years, I have frequently referred to this week's

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Speaker 5: Well, I think we have a chance to get in

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus has you.

437
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Speaker 2: Graded as the fourth best pass protecting center in the NFL.

438
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Speaker 2: Do you feel this is as well as you played?

439
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Speaker 6: I think we've had, you know, a lot of good games.

440
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Speaker 6: I think we have a solid unit up front. Thanks

441
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Speaker 6: Joe for the shout out, But you know, the ultimate

442
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Speaker 6: stat that matters is are what are you doing to

443
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Speaker 6: help the team win? And we've strung four in a row.

444
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Speaker 6: Let's make it a fifth and make it interesting on

445
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Speaker 6: Sunday for everybody.

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Speaker 2: I want to mention something else that Dan Pitcher said recently.

447
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Speaker 2: He was talking about Joe Burrow's ability to draw teams

448
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Speaker 2: off side with the cadence this year, and Dan said,

449
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Speaker 2: it's Joe and Ted Karras who have worked on that

450
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Speaker 2: a lot. Explain your role in getting teams to jump.

451
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Speaker 6: Well, there's a lot of posturing, I guess of you know,

452
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Speaker 6: making real calls and making it se micro about to

453
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Speaker 6: run a real play. And then there's certain mechanisms that

454
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Speaker 6: if they jump on snapping and certain that they jump

455
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Speaker 6: that we're just touching them. So we got to be

456
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Speaker 6: locked in on that and deliver a good ball and

457
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Speaker 6: then block the play. I think that's what a lot

458
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Speaker 6: of guys, you know, it's a big emphasis here is

459
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Speaker 6: once the ball stats, we're live, so we got to

460
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Speaker 6: go so we don't get unobated to the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen, you played with an MVP Tom Brady.

462
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Speaker 2: How does Joe Burrow in twenty twenty four compare to

463
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Speaker 2: that MVP season.

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Speaker 5: In twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think the biggest I mean, they're throwing

466
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Speaker 6: a lot of a lot of good balls, throwing a

467
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Speaker 6: lot of touchdowns, obviously the best player on their respective teams.

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Speaker 5: I think the biggest difference, you know, it would be

469
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Speaker 5: that we were.

470
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Speaker 6: Fourteen to two and we're eight and eight right now.

471
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Speaker 6: So you know, I think that kind of holds Joe

472
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Speaker 6: back from getting the MVP. But you know, I think

473
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Speaker 6: he should win it. I understand why he might not,

474
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Speaker 6: because usually you know that goes to someone who's a

475
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Speaker 6: higher seed. But if you're really looking at who's the

476
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Speaker 6: most valuable for their team, I think there's no doubt

477
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Speaker 6: it's Joe Burrow.

478
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Speaker 2: You're gonna be trying to block a future Hall of

479
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Speaker 2: Famer on Saturday night in Cam Hayward. What qualities does

480
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Speaker 2: he have that other great interior guys in the NFL don't.

481
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Speaker 6: He's stronger. He's one of the strongest guys you'll ever

482
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Speaker 6: match up with. I have a ton of respect for

483
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Speaker 6: Cam Hayward. You're fourteen putting together some of the film

484
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Speaker 6: that he has, the effort that he plays with.

485
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Speaker 5: I mean that whole front seven can't say.

486
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Speaker 6: Enough good about him. You know, we're going into Pittsburgh

487
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Speaker 6: in a night game. It's gonna be a battle.

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Speaker 2: From a communic cation standpoint, How hard is a primetime

489
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Speaker 2: road game in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 5: It's hard, i'd put it. I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I'm not gonna rank it, but it's it's hard up there.

492
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Speaker 6: You know one of my it's one of my favorite stadiums, Hinesfield.

493
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Speaker 6: I don't know it's akature now, but you know one

494
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Speaker 6: of my favorite stadiums. You know, with all the history

495
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Speaker 6: of the NFL that's been there, I wish to catch

496
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Speaker 6: a bottle is still there. But I think Renegade's also

497
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Speaker 6: an awesome tradition, So we need to go up and

498
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Speaker 6: get a win. Hopefully we're up when Renegade place.

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Speaker 2: A couple more questions for Ted Karras. At one of

500
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Speaker 2: our radio shows recently, a guy was wearing the Christmas

501
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Speaker 2: edition of the Sincy Hat, the green hat with the

502
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Speaker 2: Santa cap over the first sea. I was very jealous.

503
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Speaker 2: Who comes up with this stuff? Who is the designer

504
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Speaker 2: of the Sincy hat gear?

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Speaker 6: I came up with that one. There's one right behind you,

506
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Speaker 6: right there. But Imperial has a great art department, so

507
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Speaker 6: we kind of just tell them my ideas and then

508
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Speaker 6: they put it into practice.

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Speaker 5: I didn't draw it or anything. I just requested a

510
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Speaker 5: Santa hat over the sea.

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Speaker 1: You nailed it.

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Speaker 2: What are some of the things that the Sinsi Hat

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Speaker 2: Foundation has in store for twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 6: Well, we have a big, uh big project coming in Harrison,

515
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Speaker 6: Ohio for building with adults with intellectual disabilities.

516
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Speaker 5: We do the scholarships that you.

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Speaker 6: See we have, We're gonna have a lot of things.

518
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Speaker 6: It's gonna be kind of the year of the non hat.

519
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Speaker 6: So we're gonna come out with all sorts of new

520
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Speaker 6: cool gear and golf stuff and all that sort, and really,

521
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Speaker 6: you know, gonna fulfill our mission of housing these people

522
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Speaker 6: with intellectual disabilities. So we got a big twenty twenty

523
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Speaker 6: five ahead.

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Speaker 2: Final question, I appreciate your time. What are you going

525
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Speaker 2: to do with a samurai sort?

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna get a customed glass box and put it

527
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Speaker 5: on the wall. Everyone keeps asking me to pull it out.

528
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Speaker 5: I don't want to pull it out. It's serious. Oh

529
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Speaker 5: he'll chop your arm off.

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Speaker 2: Make sure that that thing can't be open. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: will that best of a lot. I appreciate your time.

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Speaker 5: Thanks man.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers are two and a half point favorites, and

534
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Speaker 2: we'll have to keep our fingers crossed on some Bengals

535
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Speaker 2: injuries as Chase Brown, T Higgins, a Marius Drew, Sample

536
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Speaker 2: and Cam Taylor Britt are all listed as questionable, although

537
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Speaker 2: I would expect most of those guys to play. Pittsburgh's

538
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Speaker 2: best cover corner, Joey Porter, will be back after missing

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Speaker 2: last week's game with a knee injury. For more on

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Speaker 2: the Steelers. The radio voice Rob King joined Dave Lapham

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Speaker 2: and me for this week's Know the Faux segment. Rob

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the stakes for the Steelers. It sounds

543
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Speaker 2: like Mike Tomlin has pretty much squelched any thought that

544
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Speaker 2: the Steelers are going to be resting key players on

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Speaker 2: Saturday Night.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't expect him to do that, especially in light

548
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Speaker 7: of how the team's played over the last three games.

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Speaker 7: You know, they just did not put their best foot forward.

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Speaker 7: I don't think anybody wants to go into the playoffs.

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Speaker 7: You know, if you don't put your best foot forward

552
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Speaker 7: against Cincinnati, it's going to be hard to beat Joe

553
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Speaker 7: Burrow and company, even with everybody healthy and everybody going.

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Speaker 4: You don't want to enter the playoffs on a four

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Speaker 4: game losing streak. So I think you want to go in.

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Speaker 7: You want to play good football and you know, hopefully

557
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Speaker 7: win the game and hopefully get that feeling back that

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Speaker 7: you had when you were ten and three and not

559
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Speaker 7: the feeling that you've gotten the last three games and

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Speaker 7: you've dropped the ten and six.

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Speaker 8: The thing that is unbelievable jumped out at me and

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Speaker 8: hit me right in the face. Again, I remember when

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Speaker 8: the first game looking at the scoring by quarter and

564
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Speaker 8: Pittsburgh had only given up sixteen points at that point

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Speaker 8: in the season. Well, here it is a month later.

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Speaker 8: The don't give up twenty nine one point eight points

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Speaker 8: per game in the third quarter, one hundred and two

568
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Speaker 8: in the first quarter, eighty one in the second quarter,

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Speaker 8: one hundred and sixteen in the fourth quarter, and only

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Speaker 8: twenty nine in the third quarter. It's such a huge disparity.

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Speaker 8: What is it just coincidental or is there anything to it?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think there's a couple of things.

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Speaker 7: I mean, certainly the Steelers, you know, they always, like

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Speaker 7: you almost always liked to defer, and so that means

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Speaker 7: they're getting the ball to begin the third quarter. I

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Speaker 7: think there's probably a little something in that. I I

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Speaker 7: don't know Dave specifically how many times they've been on

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Speaker 7: defense and beginning the third quarter, how many times they've

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Speaker 7: been on offense. Right, I think when you talk about

580
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Speaker 7: the team, you know what they want to do. They

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Speaker 7: want to run the football. Generally, you begin to.

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Speaker 4: See that take shape in the third and fourth quarter.

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Speaker 7: You know a lot of times fans will wonder, hey,

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Speaker 7: why are you running the ball? And you know, those

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Speaker 7: are body blows, to use a boxing analogy, you know,

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Speaker 7: those are things that wear down your opponent and are

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Speaker 7: more effective as you move on in the game. So

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Speaker 7: I think that those are those are some of the reasons.

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Speaker 7: And I think you know, a good coaching staff making

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Speaker 7: halftime adjustment. So I think those three things are probably

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Speaker 7: the leading factors as to why that's the case.

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Speaker 2: We are chatting with the voice of the Steelers, Rob

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Speaker 2: King after Pittsburgh's most recent loss to Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: Rob.

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Speaker 2: We all saw some comments coming out of the locker

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Speaker 2: room the kind of suggested that maybe ten guys are

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Speaker 2: on one page and and one guy wasn't. Can you

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Speaker 2: shed some light on what's going on there with the defense?

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Speaker 7: You know, it's a great question, Dan, because you know

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Speaker 7: a lot of times you'll hear that as an explanation,

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Speaker 7: and it's a different person every time, right, you know, like, well,

602
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Speaker 7: ten of us did their job and one didn't, and

603
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Speaker 7: if we could just all get on the same page.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't it's usually not a finger pointed at one guy.

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Speaker 7: I feel like, I don't know whether this is different

606
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Speaker 7: or not. It feels like maybe some guys in the

607
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Speaker 7: secondary are maybe trying to do more than they should,

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Speaker 7: or maybe there's some communication issues. Mike Tommlin was asked

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Speaker 7: about that, and he said, look over the last three weeks,

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Speaker 7: you know, and you know, he didn't use this as

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Speaker 7: an excuse because it can't be a total excuse. But again,

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Speaker 7: if you're looking for a partial reason, you know, for

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Speaker 7: a couple of weeks you're without Deshaun Elliotto has been

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Speaker 7: a terrific player and kind of really captains what happens

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Speaker 7: in the secondary. He was out for two or three games.

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Speaker 7: Dante Jackson, one of your starting corners, is out for

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Speaker 7: two or three games. And then Joey Porter Junior, the

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Speaker 7: starting corner, missed this last game after the other two

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Speaker 7: guys came back. So how much of it is just

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Speaker 7: communication out there? I think that could be part of it.

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Speaker 7: Are guys trying to do too much, you know, quote

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Speaker 7: unquote hero ball, trying to be the guy that makes

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Speaker 7: the play.

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Speaker 4: I mean, on the one hand, you want guys that

625
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Speaker 4: want to make the play. On the other hand, you

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Speaker 4: have to do that within the structure of what you're

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Speaker 4: doing as a team.

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Speaker 7: Because you know, Kansas City found that and they're so

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Speaker 7: good man, they're so good it has is Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 7: You make that one mistake, Mahomes or Burrow's gonna find it.

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Speaker 7: You cannot live that way when you're going against elite quarterbacks.

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Speaker 8: So the old turnover scenario, it's important in football robs,

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Speaker 8: you know, at any level. Obviously in Pittsburgh, I remember

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Speaker 8: in the first game. Going into the game, Pittsburgh was

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Speaker 8: plus thirteen. They went plus two and Cincinnati against Cincinnati,

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Speaker 8: so they were plus fifteen. Here it is a month later,

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Speaker 8: there's still plus fifteen. So they've been even on the

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Speaker 8: turnover ratio in their stretch where they struggled the Bengals

639
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Speaker 8: just the opposite. They were minus one going to the game.

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Speaker 8: Now they're minus three after the Pittsburgh game, and here

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Speaker 8: they are plus four, So they're plus seven in the

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Speaker 8: turnover ratio since that Pittsburgh game. I mean, turnovers are

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Speaker 8: always a big deal. Do you think it's that simple.

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Speaker 7: I think it's a big part of it, Dave, I

645
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Speaker 7: really do you know. And there were four footballs on

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Speaker 7: the ground, three of them in Baltimore and one at

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Speaker 7: the beginning of the game in Kansas City, any of

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Speaker 7: which could have turned the momentum. Now I don't think

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Speaker 7: you can exclusively say that. You know, as a as

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Speaker 7: a fan, as a broadcaster, I'd have felt more comfortable

651
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Speaker 7: in Philadelphia, for example, if you made a stop, you

652
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 7: know what I mean. So they're they're marching in late

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Speaker 7: in the third quarter, down a touchdown, and they pitched

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Speaker 7: to Naji Harris, who never never fumbles, took his.

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Speaker 4: Eye off the pitch. You lose the ball deep in

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Speaker 4: Philadelphia territory.

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Speaker 7: You lose a chance to tie. And I understand you

658
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Speaker 7: had five to three and outs to begin the game.

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Speaker 7: You talk about body blows, right, that was they run

660
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Speaker 7: the receiving end of those body blows. The defenses exhausted.

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Speaker 7: It goes out there. But boy, you know, make one stop,

662
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Speaker 7: get one more opportunity for your offense, and they just

663
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Speaker 7: couldn't do it. So and then you know Baltimore is

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Speaker 7: very similar. It's a seven to seven game. Russell Wilson

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Speaker 7: is trying.

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Speaker 4: To make a play. He gets it, you know, a twenty.

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Speaker 7: Yard scramble, gets inside the five fumbles the ball. Very

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Speaker 7: uncharacteristic of him. Baltimore recovers. Prior to that, there's been

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Speaker 7: two footballs on the ground in Steelers territory right in

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Speaker 7: the cusp of field goal range, so good field position.

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Speaker 4: If you recover the fumbles.

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Speaker 7: The Steelers don't recover those fumbles, then there's a special

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Speaker 7: teams play that gives you the ball deep in Kansas

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Speaker 7: City territory. You don't recover that fumble. So a little

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Speaker 7: bit of it has been some bad luck. On the

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Speaker 7: other hand, I think if you so, if you want

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Speaker 7: to look at it as a glass half full, you say, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 7: they just haven't gotten any breaks in the turnover department.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know, if there's four footballs on the

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Speaker 7: ground and you recover two of them, do you win

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Speaker 7: one of those games?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I don't know the answer to that, but I think

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Speaker 7: you know, you would have also liked to have seen that.

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Speaker 7: You know, if you want to go glass half empty,

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Speaker 7: you didn't like to have seen the team rise up

687
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Speaker 7: and make a stop here or there. Understandable why you didn't,

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00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 7: you know, as you you know, look game by game.

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Speaker 4: Why those things didn't happen.

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Speaker 7: But as a whole, if you step back, it would

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Speaker 7: have been more encouraging for fans. I think if somewhere

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Speaker 7: along the stretch of those three games, you would have

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Speaker 7: done something to stem the tide of momentum.

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Speaker 1: Rob, here's my final question. During this three game losing streak.

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Speaker 2: They've lost at Philly, at Baltimore home to the fifteen

696
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Speaker 2: and one Chiefs. No shame there, right, but the margins

697
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: have been fourteen, seventeen, and nineteen.

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00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: Is that a big concern?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 7: I think it all wraps up to this conversation Dan,

701
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Speaker 7: and I think it's it's what makes Saturday's game, I

702
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 7: think really important for the Steelers.

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Speaker 4: So again, if.

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Speaker 7: You're in Philadelphia, you get off to that sluggish start.

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00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 7: You know, Dave talked about the third quarter points. Now

706
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 7: maybe you take that drive in and you tie the game.

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Speaker 7: Maybe there's forty five seconds left in the third quarter.

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Speaker 7: Now your defense has gotten a break, right because you've

709
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 7: run five more plays to get it into the end zone.

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Speaker 4: Is that fourth quarter different? I don't know. If Russell

711
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Speaker 4: Wilson goes in.

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Speaker 7: For a touchdown and you go up fourteen to seven,

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Speaker 7: is that a different outcome?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: In Kansas City, against Kansas City, you had a touchdown

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Speaker 7: call back on a rather dubious holding call that gives

717
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Speaker 7: you the lead.

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Speaker 4: In that game.

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Speaker 7: You go into the halftime, probably with the lead in

720
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Speaker 7: that game instead of a deficit, so things unraveled. Then

721
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Speaker 7: you can't do that against good teams. So that's again

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Speaker 7: part of what you know, what we've been talking about

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Speaker 7: with Dave asked about. That's part of the explanation of

724
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Speaker 7: what's been going on. Quality opponents, mistakes that you can't make.

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Speaker 7: But then again, you still have to look at the

726
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Speaker 7: scoreboard and say, just what you said, Dan, those have

727
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Speaker 7: been big figures that you wound up losing by. So

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Speaker 7: to me, this is a Cincinnati team that's beginning to

729
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 7: resemble the team everybody thought they could be going into

730
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Speaker 7: the end of the season, which is a legitimate playoff content,

731
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Speaker 7: maybe more than that. So I think, you know, to

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Speaker 7: quell the nerves a little bit, this feels like an

733
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Speaker 7: important game. Hey, let's get out there and play a good,

734
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Speaker 7: solid football game and get.

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Speaker 4: Ourselves ready for the playoffs.

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Speaker 7: So you know, I hope I've answered your question, but

737
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 7: that again, to me, that's why Saturday.

738
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Speaker 4: Nights game is important because of what you just mentioned.

739
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Speaker 8: Final question. And certainly do appreciate your carving the time

740
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 8: you always do. Rob, You're outstanding. Terol Austin the excellent

741
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Speaker 8: defensive coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Jamar Chase has had cornerbacks,

742
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Speaker 8: outstanding cornerbacks the last couple of weeks, you know, shadowing

743
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 8: him some. Joey Porter Junior. I know he's a little

744
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 8: beaten up. I'm sure he'll make the dance in this one.

745
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 8: It's so important. But people were like, Okay, it'll be

746
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 8: Joey Porter Junior shadowing Jamar Chase. Well, in the last game,

747
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 8: Joey Porter Junior shadow t Higgins and then Ta committed

748
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 8: resources to Jamar Chase, you know, doubling him in different

749
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 8: ways and all that sort of thing. So he has

750
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 8: had him trail Jamarrow. Now he's had him trail Higgins.

751
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 8: Any feel for he might do or will he come

752
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 8: up with something totally different?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question, Dave.

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Speaker 7: You know, I think that you know, if you looked

755
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 7: at it on paper, So I think that the Stevens

756
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 7: coach matchups a lot, you know, and they and they

757
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 7: gain coach a lot. So what do you need what

758
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 7: is required to win this game? As opposed to saying, oh,

759
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 7: this is what we do and so this is our

760
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 7: style of football and we're blindly going to do this.

761
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Speaker 7: I think there's some adjustability that's commendable within the coaching staff.

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Speaker 7: And I think that if you look at you know,

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Speaker 7: T Higgins is a big man Chase, isn't I had

764
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Speaker 7: Jamar Chase. I love, I mean, I love watching the

765
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 7: guy plays unbelievable. T Higgins is a huge, physical guy.

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Speaker 7: Joey Porter is by far the bigger of the two

767
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 7: corners that they have that they're starting, and so that

768
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 7: makes sense to have because you to have your bigger

769
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 7: guy on the bigger guy, they can both kill you.

770
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's an interesting question. I was

771
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 4: asked on a.

772
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 7: Pittsburgh show, you know yesterday, you know, T Higgins, I

773
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 7: guess said something like, Hey, if this is my last

774
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 7: game in Cincinnati, you know, someone's probably gonna pay him

775
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 7: like a one.

776
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 4: I think it's an intriguing question. Is he a one?

777
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 7: Do you have two ones there? Well, if you have

778
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 7: two ones, you know, then you've got to go match up.

779
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 7: You know, Joey Porter Junior has shadowed number one receivers

780
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 7: throughout the course of the season. But I think that

781
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 7: the view is that Cincinnati's got two number ones, Let's

782
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 7: match up the best way physically, that we can with

783
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 7: those guys and hope we can do. Listen, I think

784
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 7: Steelers fans would sign up for what happened in Cincinnati

785
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 7: for those guys with their receiving yards. Very respectable days,

786
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 7: but it wasn't two hundred and fifty yards and three

787
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 7: touchdowns we've seen from both of these guys.

788
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