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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody is Gabe Henderson here and welcome to episode

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Speaker 2: two seventy eight of the Minnesota Vikings Podcast, resented by Pepsi.

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Speaker 2: Our guest today needs no introduction, as Voice of the Vikings,

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Speaker 2: Paul Allen, will join us to discuss the current state

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Speaker 2: of the team in Purple, as well as much more.

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Speaker 2: As you all know, when Pa gets on the mic,

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Speaker 2: the conversation is never like, so let's jump right in

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Speaker 2: to today's show.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Voice to the Vikings, Paul Allen to the Minnesota

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Speaker 2: Vikings Podcast and Pa, Jay Tatum and Eric David Center here,

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Speaker 2: and thank you for joining us, especially right after your

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Speaker 2: show nine to noon on KFA. While I was listening

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Speaker 2: to your your Vikes biked segment with Nordo on on

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Speaker 2: Noon Today, something in me told me to check your

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Speaker 2: bio on KFAN and and when I clicked on your

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Speaker 2: name and I looked at your bio, it said Paul

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Speaker 2: Allen brings the Energy nine to Noon on KFA in

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Speaker 2: voice of the Vikings. And funny enough, he's the head

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Speaker 2: cheerleader too. Explain that, Pa.

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Speaker 4: Well, first and foremost, if there was a picture, it

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Speaker 4: probably would be yours, truly with one or two chins,

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Speaker 4: not three, two eyebrows not one, and black hair not

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Speaker 4: white hair, so that that could have been in play.

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Speaker 4: But when it comes to like a cheerleader, it's okay.

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Speaker 4: So I do play by play for a National Football

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Speaker 4: League team and a radio show, but I don't claim

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Speaker 4: to be a journalist. And you know, even like if I,

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Speaker 4: if I or we know, you know, we we will

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Speaker 4: all of us will become privy to information into games

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Speaker 4: like inactives and things like that. Well, I'm not going

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Speaker 4: to go on Twitter and go breaking so and so

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Speaker 4: it's not playing. So it's I guess it's it's more

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Speaker 4: it's more of a palm and a pawn or a

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Speaker 4: cheerleader than a journalist.

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Speaker 3: That's what I would assume it means.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I thought it was unique. I think it best

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Speaker 2: describes you. But I was, like, everyone knows who Paul

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Speaker 2: Allen is, so let's let's just start this thing off,

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Speaker 3: So what do you got against male cheerleaders?

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Speaker 2: I have nothing against mal cheerleaders.

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Speaker 3: Why would you go down that road?

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Speaker 2: Because I just wanted to make sure you know the

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Speaker 4: Well, there, you know, while you are our statistician for

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Speaker 4: the Vikings Radio network for road games, uh, there are

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Speaker 4: myriad times you've been the lead cheerleader in the box

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Speaker 3: You know, so not necessarily me all the time. You know,

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Speaker 3: I just follow your lead. I guess you do.

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Speaker 1: You enjoy that part of the job, like being able

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Speaker 4: Yes, And it's that's just that's an excellent question because

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Speaker 4: at this whole Kitlyn Clark thing, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 4: But you got those within that covenant in essence cutting

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Speaker 3: Vikings games, or are doing nine to noon.

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Speaker 4: A KFA n when when Minnesota Vikings football is good,

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Speaker 4: and I guess that would lead to more of a

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Speaker 3: You know, Pa, how is it like.

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Speaker 4: Well that I mean that comes back to trust, and

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Speaker 4: So therefore I'm going to be me. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: So, speaking on the grant scale things, what do you

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Speaker 4: Well, when when they get to training camp and you

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Speaker 4: you know, we we we can we can watch Dallas

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Speaker 4: that look great when they don't have helmets on, or

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Speaker 4: they have to push through things. That's what I've just

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Speaker 6: That's such a good point. And you've got Mini camp.

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Speaker 1: I know you were out here kind of making some

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Speaker 6: Is there one.

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Speaker 3: Right no pet McCarthy JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 3: You know that's not for public consumption. I just know

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Speaker 4: Now that doesn't necessarily mean he'll succeed at a high

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of people that kind of feel like

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Speaker 5: do those joint practices. Is there something that you felt,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and it's a slow burn. Now.

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Speaker 4: Now that Niners joint that we had, you know, it

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Speaker 2: Thud tackling is basically where the defense squirts up the

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Speaker 1: Weeks, I hear you saying Justin Jefferson full name, You've

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Speaker 6: Now, I know you know that was a funny joke,

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Speaker 1: Now I'm wondering have you been mulling this over because recently.

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Speaker 4: Recently giving me anxiety unbelievable because I've actually thought of

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, sorry to bring up a sour subject, but

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Speaker 6: I'd rather be called JETS. So I think you got

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I saw that I have all I have

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Speaker 3: So I saw that, let's just put it this way.

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Speaker 4: now we got the Jets terrorism. You're right, so that

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Speaker 6: Five or do you come right out of the gate

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's you're just really.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't that doesn't ring pa like just sitting sitting

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Speaker 1: To hear I hear you on Quarterback, I hear you

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Speaker 3: No, but you're right, Yeah, you're right. Okay, you win again.

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Speaker 4: I'm just telling you, I have no idea what I'm

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Speaker 4: and he's loose things like that, Well, this one isn't

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Speaker 3: I mean, okay, what I'm gonna do? Maybe you guys

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Speaker 6: Well, you've got some time to think about.

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Speaker 2: It, hopefully a year to think about it. Hey, that's

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Speaker 3: Great, what about McCarthy. Uh, that's the problem. Here's the thing.

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Speaker 5: So if you got j J JJ JJ squared, it's

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Speaker 4: I've had ten people say that to me. It's hard

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Speaker 1: I picture Pa and Home looking in the mathroom mirror

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Speaker 4: I've learned from Gabe, you know, because Gabe will look

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Speaker 3: So I don't know what to do.

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Speaker 4: If somebody comes up with one or two A plus ideas,

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Speaker 6: Can they text it into your text line?

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Speaker 3: Is that how it?

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Speaker 6: Or DM you like, how do you want to get it?

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Speaker 2: Bran?

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Speaker 3: No, No, I never looked at that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say, just probably go to Everett now

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Speaker 4: I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that had a goat dangerous.

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Speaker 4: That was a great question, though, Tatum, because you when

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Speaker 3: To do it? I just it's perplexing.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, I feel like some of your best ideas,

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Speaker 1: I feel like for many people when they're just not

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Speaker 6: So best of luck.

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Speaker 1: Maybe trying to like zen out, maybe you can do

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Speaker 6: You never know.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's beautiful.

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Speaker 4: I didn't write that down, like you know, I didn't

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Speaker 3: I mean, it could be.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not as bad as JJ to TJ

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Speaker 4: the example that I'll use occasionally is like look at

439
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Speaker 4: last year. Okay, So Dobbs comes in with the energy

440
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 4: trip against Atlanta, the s was found second half of

441
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 4: the Saints game, the embarrassment began against the Bears, and

442
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 4: then Justin Jefferson ended up in the hospital in Las Vegas.

443
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 4: So that trick played itself out. Jaren Hall tough for

444
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Speaker 4: me to say. He wasn't ready when he looked pretty

445
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Speaker 4: sharp in that Falcons game, then he got knocked out. Okay,

446
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 4: but that was that. But the O'Connell offense just didn't

447
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 4: look like twenty twenty two or what we know it

448
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 4: can look like until Mullins got in. Now we're not

449
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Speaker 4: winning the games with Mullins because the turnovers at the end.

450
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Speaker 4: But I mean, we're running up and down the field

451
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Speaker 4: with a passing game that is onto Kevin O'Connell and

452
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 4: the Minnesota Vikings offense, so we know what it looks

453
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Speaker 4: like when it's run the right way. I just have

454
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Speaker 4: a strong belief Arnold is going to run it the

455
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Speaker 4: right way, which means if we don't turn it over

456
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Speaker 4: with all the foolish fumbles like last year or interceptions

457
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Speaker 4: at the worst time of the game, then the team's

458
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 4: gonna win a bunch of games again and the offense

459
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Speaker 4: passing game specifically is going to look like what we expect.

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Speaker 5: So question for you then, kind of besides quarterback, what

461
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Speaker 5: position group do you think is going to have the

462
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Speaker 5: biggest battle at training camp?

463
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm the guard. Situation is very intriguing to me. Now,

464
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Speaker 4: West Phillips, the offensive coordinator, you know, last time he spoke,

465
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Speaker 4: came out and basically said, Blake Brandell, who's big you

466
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Speaker 4: know he's a big man, so Blake has pretty much

467
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Speaker 4: earned the left guard spot. Well you got to add

468
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Speaker 4: Ingram into his third year at the right guard spot,

469
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Speaker 4: all right, so we're cool, right, But then they get

470
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Speaker 4: Dalton Reisner. Now the if the reports are accurate about

471
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Speaker 4: the bottom line, then they got Dalton for a very

472
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Speaker 4: fair deal. But you see Dalton, his pass protection is

473
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Speaker 4: high end, and this is a passing team, So where

474
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Speaker 4: do you put him? Does that mean that he and

475
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Speaker 4: Ingram are really really going to battle it out? And

476
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Speaker 4: so does that mean Reisner plays right guard for the

477
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Speaker 4: first time in his NFL career or do you move Brandell?

478
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Speaker 4: So that's that's that's competitive and compelling to me, and Ingram,

479
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 4: by the way, can win it. But then you get

480
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Speaker 4: to defensively. From the coaches and a couple of the

481
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 4: offensive players with whom I spoke about Flores defense, they

482
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 4: all said the same thing. Fast and young, super athletic,

483
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Speaker 4: super fast and youthful in a lot of areas well.

484
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Speaker 4: That excites me because you're raising gifted, talented players and

485
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Speaker 4: if it hits or when it hits, it's going to

486
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Speaker 4: be good. And just like seeing how the whole defensive

487
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Speaker 4: situation morphs.

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Speaker 2: I'm speaking of defense. I want to stay on that forefront,

489
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Speaker 2: right And we've brought this up the past few shows

490
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 2: while everyone is rightfully so talking about the quarterback position

491
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Speaker 2: and this offense for this Minnesota Vikings team, Like not

492
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Speaker 2: many people are talking about Brian Flores in year number two.

493
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Speaker 2: When you look at the run defense and how it

494
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Speaker 2: improved last year, how do you see that continuing to

495
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Speaker 2: trend upward in twenty two five under bflow.

496
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that angle and it's underplayed and I'm

497
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 4: kind of keeping it in my back pocket for training

498
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Speaker 4: camp in the exclusive Vikings Radio Network perch overlooking five

499
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 4: perfectly manicured practice fields, including the Mike Hughes Memorial Field

500
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 4: and off that is, there were a handful of players

501
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Speaker 4: last year who had the best seasons of their career

502
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 4: now and it's really really interesting to look at, like

503
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 4: when it changed and then when it started to get

504
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 4: a little rough near the end of the year because

505
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 4: we had injuries and players probably playing hundreds of reps

506
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 4: more than they should have played. But like first game

507
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 4: of the year, Mike Evans running all over the field,

508
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 4: can't find him. Second game, you got Devonte Smith over

509
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Speaker 4: the top for sixty and change. Murphy and Flores on

510
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Speaker 4: the sideline. You were next to me when I caught

511
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Speaker 4: this with my binoculars, Flores tapping his chest, going my bad,

512
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Speaker 4: all right, And I subsequently have talked to Brian about

513
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 4: that on the radio, where there was just a breakdown

514
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Speaker 4: in communication because the defense was so new. Game Keenan

515
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 4: Allen goes for a career high and gets us with

516
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Speaker 4: a touchdown pass. He throws a pass the receiver to

517
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Speaker 4: Mike Williams. Well, that was it. Okay, it's they all

518
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 4: got it after that, And then from like week four,

519
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 4: for a long time, the defense bailed out the offense.

520
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Speaker 3: A million times.

521
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Speaker 4: I mean, you're at lambeau Field, you fumble and you

522
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 4: got to stop them, and they get backed up. You're

523
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 4: you're in Atlanta and they fumble and then they back

524
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Speaker 4: up and settle for a field goal. So when that

525
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 4: defense started hitting week four, it was top ten in

526
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Speaker 4: the NFL just overall. So now, which players are going

527
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Speaker 4: to jump up and have even better seasons now that

528
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 4: they know it inside and out, and who are going

529
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Speaker 4: to be the who's going to be part of the

530
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Speaker 4: new group to have the best seasons of their careers

531
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Speaker 4: because the opportunity is there in this floor as defense,

532
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 4: because it comes at you and does things in such

533
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Speaker 4: obscure ways. It leads to players like Josh Mittellis going

534
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Speaker 4: from good to amazing at times. So that the second

535
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Speaker 4: year for those who were here last year, So for

536
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Speaker 4: Harrison Smith, who's already good, Cam bind them, Josh Mattellis,

537
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 4: Harrison Phillips, Jonathan Bullard, some of the backups a Caleb Evans,

538
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 4: Makai Blackman, Andrew Booth Junior, so on and so on

539
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 4: and so on, Jay Ward. The expectation is for them

540
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 4: to absolutely take off to compliment Dallas Turner, who has

541
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 4: a different type of pedigree compared to some of these

542
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 4: other players, and he might be defensive Rookie of the year.

543
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 4: Grenard's knew, So how long will it take he and

544
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 4: Cashman and Van Ginkel and some others to figure out

545
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 4: how Flores wants it run. If it's like Jordan hicks

546
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 4: En or Harrison Smith last year, well then they'll get

547
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 4: a game one. And if they get a game one

548
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Speaker 4: with those who played in this complicated defense last year,

549
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 4: look out.

550
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Speaker 3: I mean, it might be really good.

551
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Speaker 1: Obviously, there are a lot of unknowns when the Vikings

552
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: made the front office and the head coaching switch heading

553
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Speaker 1: into that twenty twenty two season, Now that we understand

554
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Speaker 1: who they are for the most part, we know the

555
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: coaching staff, we understand their philosophies. We've seen them, you know,

556
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: for two seasons. Now is the anticipation for you with

557
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: the amount of youth and young players and players we

558
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: don't really know and the unprovenness of them, does that

559
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: how does that compare to the unknown of the coaching staff?

560
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: Like where do you find the most questions as far

561
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: as like new coaching staff versus like brand new players.

562
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 4: That's a great question because it's incumbent upon the coaches

563
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 4: to put the players in positions where they can thrive,

564
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 4: not force things on them because I've waited thirty years

565
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 4: to run this offense or this defense, and damn it,

566
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 4: I'm not going to change. Well, the culture can be

567
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 4: such an overused word in sports, so much so that

568
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 4: it becomes trite. That's not the case with the Minnesota Vikings,

569
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Speaker 4: and people can believe it or not. But I mean,

570
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 4: you know, I've been around Winter Park, I've been around

571
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: Twin Cities Orthopedics Performance Center, I've been through a lot

572
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 4: of regimes, and when I say the spirit that has

573
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 4: returned to this building and returned to this team in

574
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, it's palpable. I mean, they're just a

575
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 4: lot of things that go into it. But there are

576
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 4: things that involve vulnerability where you know, when I talk

577
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 4: to people privately behind the scenes about you know, like

578
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 4: say three losses in a row, you don't get a

579
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Speaker 4: lot of well, how am I supposed to do it

580
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 4: with this which sucks? How am I supposed to get

581
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 4: there with this guy who sucks? That's not the case. Instead,

582
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 4: it's okay, there's a little bit of a problem here,

583
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 4: but let's raise him, let's teach him, let's figure this

584
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 4: out collaboratively, as opposed to condemning somebody. I love that,

585
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 4: And you know, it's there's an answer to a question

586
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 4: as of right now that has been a hot question

587
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 4: since Quasiadopha Mensa took over, and it's how about Quasi?

588
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, how fast is Quasi and that staff

589
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 4: playing right now? With all due respect, the twenty twenty

590
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 4: two draft might be an utter failure. It just might be.

591
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 4: But then you look at twenty twenty three. All right,

592
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 4: we got Addison, you got Ivan Pace Junior, and some

593
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 4: things that look like it got better. Well then now

594
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 4: this year, you got a bunch of good free agents.

595
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 4: You're maneuvering in the draft to get the quarterback of

596
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 4: the future and maybe the defensive rookie of the year.

597
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 4: You're farther under the cap than I can remember. And

598
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 4: I've done this a long time, and your team's gotten younger.

599
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 4: So you know, one thing that was greatly shortchanged with

600
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 4: the quasiadopha mensa higher, which is one of the more

601
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 4: antithetical general manager hires in the history of the NFL,

602
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 4: is that he was charged with helping this team find

603
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 4: requisite salary cap money to stay competitive there and to

604
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 4: get the team younger. And maybe Eric Hendricks has fallen

605
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 4: off in his career is going to be over soon.

606
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 4: Balling Kendricks and Dalvin Cook and Adam Thielen and players

607
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 4: like that, cousins and saying you know that.

608
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 3: We're going to move on.

609
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 4: That ain't easy, and with that change comes risk, and

610
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 4: it's just it took a little while to kind of

611
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 4: see what he sees, but I can see it now

612
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 4: and I really really like it. Plus the overused culture

613
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 4: word is not overused at Twin Cities Orthopedics Performance Center.

614
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 4: That locker room's inviting, that locker room is loving. There

615
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 4: are players who are sad after losses, but they're not

616
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 4: condemned or torn down. So all of that matters in

617
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 4: the main frame of what your question was. And I

618
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 4: just love it, quite honestly. I love it one thing too.

619
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Speaker 4: With Kevin, it just feels like here during the kind

620
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Speaker 4: of back end of the offseason period, he's very much,

621
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Speaker 4: very vocal about the fact that you know, he's raising

622
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 4: expectations versus trying to you know, chase what happened two

623
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 4: years ago with twelve wins, versus last season with you know,

624
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 4: seven wins and trying to kind of figure out who

625
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 4: we were as an identity. Like, he's raising expectations for

626
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 4: this upcoming season. And then everyone's kind of pointing to

627
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 4: the fact that it feels like the front end of

628
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 4: the season's kind of a running the gauntlet, you know,

629
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Speaker 4: what can they do in order to try to make

630
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 4: sure that they have a fast start, in order to

631
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 4: make sure that they're competitive against some of those tough

632
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 4: matchups there in the first six.

633
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Speaker 3: Weeks, Well, the off.

634
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Speaker 4: What I said about Flora's defense, it's expected now those

635
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: who played in it last year, you know the tricks, okay,

636
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 4: because games one, two, and three, it's just abundantly clear

637
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 4: to me. There were more players on the defense still

638
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 4: trying to figure it out than those who had it

639
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 4: figured out, well, at least half the defense. Even more

640
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 4: they should know, so they should know what's coming in

641
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 4: all circumstances because they've been through it. And this Flora's

642
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 4: defense is dramatically different. Every coach and everybody are run

643
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 4: into in the NFL says the same thing.

644
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 3: It's just different. It's hard to learn. It's effective, but

645
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: it's hard to learn.

646
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 4: So I just with Jefferson Addison Hawkinson when he's back

647
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 4: at darisaw in this particular year, but he's already good

648
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 4: and play action off Aaron Jones. It's I mean, unless

649
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 4: Sam Darnald completely fails and there's so much there should

650
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 4: be a lot of pressure on Sam. I mean, the

651
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 4: way I look at it is, you know, Sam was

652
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 4: drafted third, didn't work with the Jets. With the Panthers,

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Speaker 4: it was okay, but didn't work well. Now he was

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Speaker 4: just a backup in a system. That's very similar to

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Speaker 4: the Minnesota Vikings. So the pressure's on Sam Donald because

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Speaker 4: the skill is around you as a starter in a

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Speaker 4: way it never has been in your career. So if

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Speaker 4: you're bally hoot or highly talented like you were out

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Speaker 4: of USC, they make it happen because it's the system

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Speaker 4: is good. It's proven with the Rams, the Niners and

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Speaker 4: here that this system and this passing game works. So

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Speaker 4: the defense comes out fast and the offense just does

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Speaker 4: what Kevin wants it to do, and they're gonna win

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Speaker 4: a bunch of games.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the ultimate goal is winning games here, like

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Speaker 2: you started off with. When we're winning, when this Vikings

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Speaker 2: team is winning, it makes everyone's jobs better. And just

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Speaker 2: sitting in between you and Bursach every Sunday, I know

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Speaker 2: that filling firsthand from when it's a winning environment in

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Speaker 2: that booth versus a game that we don't want to

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Speaker 2: be a part of. So appreciate you making this podcast

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Speaker 2: to win today and looking forward to talking to you soon.

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Speaker 3: You guys are awesome. I have wonderful summers.

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Speaker 4: Thanks very much for asking me and Eric, Jay Tatum, Gabe.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you guys.

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