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Speaker 1: The Volume, Hi everybody.

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Speaker 2: It's either the Sunday Night podcast, which you can catch

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Speaker 2: on the Volume YouTube channel, or the Monday Morning podcast,

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Speaker 2: either one. This is actually one of my favorite times

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Speaker 2: of the year because after the NBA Championship is rendered,

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Speaker 2: there's the NBA Draft, then you have NBA free agency,

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Speaker 2: and then you eventually move into the NFL camps. But

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Speaker 2: it's one of the rare sort of eight week moments.

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Speaker 2: I think I only have one, maybe two now it's

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Speaker 2: probably one. This is it. I get about three weeks

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Speaker 2: after the Super Bowl where I don't have to on

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Speaker 2: a nightly basis sit and watch sports. I get about

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Speaker 2: eight weeks now where I'll watch I watched the Mets

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Speaker 2: meltdown against the Phillies yesterday, a complete meltdown with a

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Speaker 2: Show Walter is apparently now no longer a genius. He's

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Speaker 2: in trouble. But I get about eight weeks where I

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Speaker 2: don't have to, you know, race home at night and

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Speaker 2: sit in front of a TV, so I kind of

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Speaker 2: bounce around and watch a lot of different stuff. I

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Speaker 2: can watch the United States men's national team against Jamaica.

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Speaker 2: I can watch a baseball game, the Mets bullpen melting down.

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Speaker 2: There's a little bit of a freedom that I can

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Speaker 2: kind of watch what I want to watch. There's not

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Speaker 2: a lot of things that are major topics right now

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Speaker 2: as we await a couple of NBA potential trades to happen.

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Speaker 2: I also like this time of the year because I

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Speaker 2: start reading Phil Steele, my college football books, my NFL books,

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Speaker 2: and I get ready for the season. I do have

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a gym on the Green Bay Packers.

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Speaker 2: So through the years, I've had, you know, multiple people

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Speaker 2: I know Jeff Saturday, well, Mercedes Lewis, I know Aaron Jones.

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Speaker 2: But there's four or five other Packers, some the team,

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Speaker 2: some not that I have not brought on my show,

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Speaker 2: but I have an ability to get a hold of

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Speaker 2: them through people. And so I had an interesting discussion

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Speaker 2: yesterday yesterday being Saturday, because I'm taping this on Sunday

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Speaker 2: with a I won't tell you if it's a former

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Speaker 2: Packer or a current Packer, but it's somebody on the

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Speaker 2: offensive side of the ball, you know. And I just

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Speaker 2: asked the question. I said, Hey, what do you expect

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Speaker 2: from Jordan Love. The organization went heavy into offense this draft.

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Speaker 2: They went and got a couple of tight ends, one

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Speaker 2: I really like Musgrave out of Oregon State, and then

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Speaker 2: I think three different wide receivers and a running back.

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Speaker 2: So the organization, which is always really first round once

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Speaker 2: again was an and outside linebacker from Iowa. But they

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Speaker 2: really loaded up on young offensive people, and I think

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Speaker 2: when you consider Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs from last

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Speaker 2: year wide receivers along with this draft class, you know,

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Speaker 2: the feeling in Green Bay is We're going to grow

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Speaker 2: with Jordan Love here. He's going to have people of

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Speaker 2: his age that he can sort of grow with. The

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Speaker 2: question becomes how patient will they be? So somebody that

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Speaker 2: is connected to the Packers, I won't say if they're

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Speaker 2: a current or a former packer. I asked about Jordan

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Speaker 2: Love and his takeaway is in three years, I've yet

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Speaker 2: to see a wow moment. There are no wow moments.

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Speaker 2: So doesn't mean he's a bust, doesn't mean it won't work.

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Speaker 2: But generally, if you look at the great quarterbacks over

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Speaker 2: the last twenty five years, there's a wow somewhere. It's

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Speaker 2: arm it's movement, it's pre snap. Now, some of you

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Speaker 2: would say, did Eli Manning have a lot of wow?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: Eli Manning's two biggest throws in the Super Bowl, Mario

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Speaker 2: manningham into a small bread box and David Tyree were

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Speaker 2: both wow moments when he escaped pressure. Remember that got

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Speaker 2: free through it downfield. So Eli Manning had plenty of

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl. But it was an interesting comment. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: necessarily criticizing him, but he said, you know, I don't

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Speaker 2: see the wow stuff, and generally now Brock Purdy may

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Speaker 2: not give you wow stuff. Brock Purty was the last

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Speaker 2: guy drafted in the seventh round for the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 2: The Packers moved up for Jordan Love. If you move

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Speaker 2: up for Jordan Love, there's gotta be some wow. Right.

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Speaker 2: That's what a first round picks about. I don't care

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Speaker 2: The difference between a first and a fifth round guy

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Speaker 2: They do something that's consistently high end or spectacular. So

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Speaker 2: it was just an interesting comment from that person that

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Speaker 2: here's where I'll say about Jordan Love. We really don't know.

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Speaker 2: I have been, like all of you, if you're a

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Speaker 2: to the GM, David Baktiari other teammates. There's been a

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Speaker 2: That leads me to believe that they're going really, really slow,

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Speaker 2: and they have concerns. You know, I've said this. When

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Speaker 2: Aaron left, My takeaway was, all right, young quarterback, he's

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Speaker 2: going to work with these young guys. We don't know anything.

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Speaker 2: I also think that if something had been spectacular, the

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Speaker 2: video would get out. And I remember Patrick Mahomes first

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Speaker 2: year in Kansas City, his first camp. He made many

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Speaker 2: spectacular plays, but there was one play in particular when

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Speaker 2: he threw its side arm into the end zone beat coverage,

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Speaker 2: and that video leaked out. And that video leaked out

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Speaker 2: because somebody within the Chiefs wanted that video out. They

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Speaker 2: wanted the fans to understand this is what we have here.

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Speaker 2: I remember Peter Schrager coming to me multiple sources. Schreger

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Speaker 2: kind of pessimistic on Jordan Law with all the cynicism

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Speaker 2: if there was a great moment, we'd see it, you'd

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Speaker 2: hear about it. Because we all know Aaron leaves Jordan

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Speaker 2: Love's team, there's going to be some backlash, right, There's

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Speaker 2: going to be some pushback. There's loyalties in that locker room.

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Speaker 2: Now to Aaron Rodgers. You know, I've said this for years.

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Speaker 2: Stuff leaks out when somebody wants it out, right, When

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Speaker 2: nothing gets out, the organization doesn't want it out. Remember

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Speaker 2: when Tua was getting a lot of pushback. Was it

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Speaker 2: a year or two years ago? And suddenly there was

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Speaker 2: these pieces of video out of the Dolphins camp with

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Speaker 2: perfectly thrown Tua bombs down the field that got out

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Speaker 2: because somebody wanted it out. Four years ago, when the

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Speaker 2: on Gettleman and the Giants. It was a reach then,

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Speaker 2: it's a reach now you started getting in camp, these

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Speaker 2: swear I saw six pieces of video. The ball never

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Speaker 2: to His video got out because they wanted it out.

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Speaker 2: When Trey Lance was struggling with accuracy in practice, it

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Speaker 2: never got out. And so I don't care if it's

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Speaker 2: a grainy piece of film. In three years, nothing makes

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Speaker 2: me pretty pessimistic. Good news. It's a wonky division. NFC's

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Speaker 2: never been weaker in the last twenty years that I

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Speaker 2: Bucks Charlotte myself included. Derek Carr is the best quarterback,

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Speaker 2: and so most of us. When you look at their

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Speaker 2: they'll just be in a matter of attrition. They'll just

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Speaker 2: win more games based on a better quarterback and better

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Speaker 2: defensive personnel. But their coach has a thirty five percent

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Speaker 2: winning percentage in his second job in the NFL Raiders Saints.

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Speaker 2: So if that's your favorite, good luck. It's quarterback coach league.

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Speaker 2: This coach wins thirty five percent of his games, So

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Speaker 2: we'll see. But I'm just watching all these bat signals.

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Speaker 2: The Buffalo Bills on Friday released a BAT signal that

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Speaker 2: to know this is the GM and more notably Sean McDermott,

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Speaker 2: the head coach's team. So you're not happy, you're noisy,

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Speaker 2: you're grumbling. Just a heads up. We know you signed

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Speaker 2: through Sean McDermott. There's a reason that extension was signed

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Speaker 2: and it was made public the BAT signals. So watch

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Speaker 2: the signals. The news that gets out, the news you

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Speaker 2: think should get out that doesn't get out. Those will

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Speaker 2: head into Labor Day weekend and practice ends. Exhibition games

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Speaker 2: the Suns have decided DeAndre Ayton we're going to keep

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Speaker 2: him at My takeaway first is that Vogel's always been known.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Vogel made Roy Hibbert into a nuisance against

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Speaker 2: my takeaway is we'll see the best DeAndre Ayton of

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Speaker 2: his career with Vogel. What I do worry about Jason.

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Speaker 2: This is a player now that will get fewer offensive

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Speaker 2: good basketball team. If you told me that four best

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Speaker 2: he for lack of a better word, he's pouted before.

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Speaker 2: If he doesn't get looks.

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Speaker 3: I think at all likelihood they tried to trade him.

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Speaker 3: I do think his value is extraordinarily low. I mean,

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Speaker 3: centers in general, they're like the running backs of the NBA,

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Speaker 3: a star. And there was, you know, obviously some suspicion

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Speaker 2: title wins. But the non Steff moments, I mean, those

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Speaker 2: are just that's the difference between a W and an

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Speaker 2: L in a road game or a playoff game. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's the difference.

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Speaker 3: Autely, it absolutely is. I mean, like a lot of

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Speaker 3: times we try to simplify for the I don't know,

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Speaker 3: for the theatrics of it all, we try to simplify

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Speaker 3: basketball down to like a matchup of superstars, but it

435
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Speaker 3: really is a team sport. I mean, Nicole Yoak is

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Speaker 3: just one without a backup star because the team is

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Speaker 3: so sound down the roster, right, I mean, here's where

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Speaker 3: I have an issue with it. You need size and

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Speaker 3: athleticism on the front line. You and I agree on that.

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Speaker 3: Because of their cap situation, they don't really have the

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Speaker 3: means with which to sign anybody for anything more than

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Speaker 3: a veteran minimum contract for the rest of the postseason

443
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Speaker 3: so or for the rest of the off season, so

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Speaker 3: they're not really going to be able to get that guy.

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Speaker 3: So in my opinion, the best way to have done

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Speaker 3: that would have been to try to use Pool's contract

447
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Speaker 3: the way the Lakers use Westbrook's contract as a vehicle

448
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Speaker 3: with which to bring back multiple players. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 3: So like obviously, like yeah, Like you don't get D'Angelo Russell,

450
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Speaker 3: Jared Vanderbilt, and Malik Beasley in the offseason market because

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Speaker 3: they just cost too much. But if you have a

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Speaker 3: giant contract and teams are moving these mid level contracts around,

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Speaker 3: it's a vehicle to bring back multiple players. They used

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Speaker 3: Jordan Poole to bring back one player, so they did

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Speaker 3: address a need. They addressed their high pick and roll

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Speaker 3: need that they have in the late postseason, which, by

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Speaker 3: the way, it's just literally the way basketball works. Teams

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Speaker 3: scout too much, so all your sets stop working, they

459
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Speaker 3: start switching things more frequently. You need guys that can

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Speaker 3: work out of pick and roll in ISO in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Chris Paul addresses that helps you when stuffs off the floor.

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Speaker 3: But it just I think it severely hampered them in

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Speaker 3: their ability to address the front court need, which comes

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Speaker 3: to an interesting follow up like does this end with

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Speaker 3: Clayton and getting traded? Does this end with a different,

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Speaker 3: larger salary bringing back a different piece. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if you noticed, but Rashaun Holmes got traded recently, and

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Speaker 3: now all of a sudden, the Sacramento Kings have like

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Speaker 3: thirty five million dollars in cap space. You know who

470
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Speaker 3: they'd love to have, mister Draymond Green MN, and all

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Speaker 3: it takes is blackluster. Now, I think Golden State's going

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Speaker 3: to get a deal done, and I hope so because

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Speaker 3: I think the Warriors are more entertaining with Draymond. But

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Speaker 3: like they're going to have to, they may end up

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Speaker 3: having to give up one of their core pieces to

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Speaker 3: address the rest of their needs, because, as you know,

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Speaker 3: as someone who covered the Lakers pretty closely the last

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Speaker 3: couple of years, the whole vetteran minimum contract thing is

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Speaker 3: tends to be pretty underwhelming.

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Speaker 2: Right, So let's I want to talk about the Celtics

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Speaker 2: and Porzingis. So I had said this last week. I

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Speaker 2: think it makes them. They tend to get bunched up

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Speaker 2: offensively late in games, and because Marcus Smart was never

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Speaker 2: a true facilitator, They're always good enough on the defensive end,

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Speaker 2: they just get clogged up. And Marcus Smart's a very alpha,

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Speaker 2: very strong personality. Jalen Brown again feels like he's more

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Speaker 2: aggressive than Tatum. One of them leaves, so that battle

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Speaker 2: I don't think will be as bad porzingis is. He's

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Speaker 2: not a great locker room guy. He's certainly not a leader. Right,

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Speaker 2: so now the team feels like it's more tatums And

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Speaker 2: it's not a knock on Marcus Smart, but he was

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Speaker 2: kind of considered the soul of it. You know, he

493
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Speaker 2: was going into his tenth year, he was older, he's

494
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Speaker 2: hyper aggressive, he's at times their best defensive player, so

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Speaker 2: they move off him, which I never had a problem

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Speaker 2: with because he wasn't a true facilitator. Porzingis not a

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Speaker 2: great pick and roll defender, not a great locker room guy.

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Speaker 2: Gets hurt. But I do think when they get clogged up,

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Speaker 2: we're dropping the ball. Big fella, go get a basket.

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Speaker 2: Marcus Smart was really hot and cold, so that part

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Speaker 2: I think they're better offensively. But I think one of

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Speaker 2: the other moves was because everybody loved Marcus Smart. It

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Speaker 2: feels like to me one of the moves was to

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Speaker 2: create more clarity personality wise that Jason, this is your team.

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Speaker 2: We're getting rid of the decade long. That's what it

506
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Speaker 2: felt like to me. It's like, we're probably not going

507
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Speaker 2: to be as good defensively will be better offensively, but

508
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Speaker 2: there'll be more clarity on whose team it is. Does

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Speaker 2: that sound crazy?

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Speaker 3: I think you're hitting a nail on the head. I

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Speaker 3: said this after the finals. But like, one of the

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Speaker 3: biggest lessons I learned this year. Do you remember after

513
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Speaker 3: the Celtics loss last year, We're like, oh, they need

514
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Speaker 3: another card, they need another card, And so they did

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Speaker 3: and they went and got probably the best card you

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Speaker 3: could have gotten the last offseason. But then ye, but

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Speaker 3: the under the conundrum is is that at the end

518
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Speaker 3: of the game, it's still in Tatum's hands. Like, so

519
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,239
Speaker 3: the lesson, the big lesson I learned is top end

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Speaker 3: ball handling still matters way more than down the roster

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Speaker 3: ball handling. And that's how teams like you know, Denver

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Speaker 3: and Miami win even though they don't have the level

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Speaker 3: of ball handling down the roster, their best guy is

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Speaker 3: just so damn good that it's hard to out execute

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Speaker 3: him down the stretch of a big time playoff game.

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Speaker 3: So like taking Marcus mallertt out of the equation, kind

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Speaker 3: of relieving that ball handling logjam leans more into Jason Tatum.

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Speaker 3: And we said this after the Celtics series. But I

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Speaker 3: really do think the Celtics' best pathway forward to reaching

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Speaker 3: back to contender status is, Yeah, they got to defend better,

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Speaker 3: they got to re embrace their defensive identity. But Jason

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Speaker 3: Tatum just has to continue to improve as a shot creator. Now.

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Speaker 3: Krisaps Porzingis is a really interesting player because he almost

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Speaker 3: always picks and pops to the three point line in

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Speaker 3: ball screens, which is actually super useful in the NBA.

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Speaker 3: That's why Victor wembin Yama is such as an exciting prospect.

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Speaker 3: When you pick and pop, it pulls the screen defender

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Speaker 3: away from the basket like because he has to close

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Speaker 3: out to the top of the key, which opens up

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Speaker 3: all kinds of driving wings and then when they switch.

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Speaker 3: Risps Porzingis has actually turned himself into a very effective

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Speaker 3: post up player. He was actually one of the top

543
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Speaker 3: five post up players in the league this year. He

544
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Speaker 3: particularly was great at beating switches, so when they would

545
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Speaker 3: get a smaller defender on him, He's actually deceptively physical

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Speaker 3: for being such a thin guy. He's pretty physical and

547
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Speaker 3: he gets a guy pinned on his backside and while

548
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 3: they're trying to reach around, he just quick, pivots to

549
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Speaker 3: the basket and finishes. So he's going to be a

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Speaker 3: guy that can help beat switching teams with by dump

551
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: because Jason Tatum just a band in his post game

552
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Speaker 3: this year for whatever reason, and I hope he gets

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Speaker 3: it back. But they really became a very one dimensional

554
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Speaker 3: team this year. There's a lot of dribble, like fifteen

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Speaker 3: dribbles at the top of the key, somebody trying to

556
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Speaker 3: make a shot. So it gives some more dimension to

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Speaker 3: their offense. But most importantly, it combines Warford and Robert

558
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Speaker 3: Williams and their strengths into one useful player. So you know,

559
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Speaker 3: Robert Williams is this big vertical threat who's a rim protector.

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Speaker 3: Chriss Porzingis can do that, but Robert Williams is very

561
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Speaker 3: limited offensively, and so al Horford. They were much better

562
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Speaker 3: offensively because they could play five out because Wharford could

563
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Speaker 3: shoot at space the floor better. Porzingis gives you the

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Speaker 3: best of both worlds and gives you the depth if

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Speaker 3: you run into an NBA Finals series against Denver to

566
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Speaker 3: have three bigs to throw out Nicole Jokic. So I

567
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Speaker 3: actually really liked this deal.

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Speaker 2: So I was talking to a scout in the NBA

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Speaker 2: who have known for a while, said what did you

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Speaker 2: make in the draft? And he said, listen, the three

571
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Speaker 2: best players went in the top three, regardless of order.

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Speaker 2: He said, Scoot Wemby are going to be sensationally talented.

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Speaker 2: Miller is a good fit for Charlotte. He's real. He

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Speaker 2: liked him a lot. He's like, he's really really good.

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Speaker 2: That's who I would have taken second. The league's getting bigger,

576
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Speaker 2: but the Lakers draft. Let's talk about the kid that

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Speaker 2: goes in the first round. Jalen hood Scaffino, who's a

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Speaker 2: one and donner. So that's a good sign. Average almost

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Speaker 2: fourteen game is a one and donner. In college, most

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Speaker 2: of your most talented college kids stay for a year.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a tarmac. College basketball now is a tarmac.

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Speaker 2: You're just waiting for the next flight. So he's long,

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Speaker 2: doesn't have a jump shot yet, But I never worry

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Speaker 2: too much about that. It's the one thing even even

585
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Speaker 2: decent shooters who become like shooting guards. Nobody. Booker wasn't

586
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Speaker 2: that good of a shooter at Kentucky. I'm sorry, folks,

587
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: he wasn't like Jamal Murray. It develops over time. He's

588
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Speaker 2: his wingspans like six ' ten, He's long, angular, clever,

589
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Speaker 2: He'll be a score or I looked at him, and

590
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: I looked at all his highlights, and you know, whenever

591
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Speaker 2: a kid goes one and done, the fans are like,

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Speaker 2: Ay's over right and he should have stayed in school.

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Speaker 2: My takeaway is if he could become by the end

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Speaker 2: of a season a top seven rotational player with Ruey

595
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Speaker 2: and Austin and Ad and Lebron just rotational, that would

596
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Speaker 2: feel like an enormous win to me? Is that is

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Speaker 2: that reasonable?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: The thing with Jalen is he has a very specific

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Speaker 3: skill set that is impactful with what the Lakers do.

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Speaker 3: So you said he can't shoot, It's absolutely true. In

602
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 3: catch and shoot situations. He was awful as a catch

603
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Speaker 3: and shoot player, and obviously that's gonna hurt him in

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Speaker 3: off ball situations, which is probably why he won't close

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00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: games for the Lakers, which is not what they're expecting

606
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Speaker 3: from a from a draft pick, but what the Lakers

607
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 3: do a ton of because Lebron James and Anthony Davis

608
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Speaker 3: have declined so much as as shot creators, they use

609
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: him as screeners a ton now, like you literally saw

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Speaker 3: that in Game four against the Warriors. It was Fannie

611
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: Walker running pick and rolls with Lebron James as a screener,

612
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 3: you know, like that kind of thing. So like Lonnie

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Speaker 3: Walker is probably going to be gone. Dennis Schroeder was

614
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Speaker 3: not a veteran minimum contract player, so he's probably gonna

615
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 3: get signed. So you've got Austin Reason, D'Angel Russell. But

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Speaker 3: at this point, you really are most likely going to

617
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Speaker 3: end up with nobody at that guard slot coming off

618
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: the bench yet, unless they end up hitting a home

619
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Speaker 3: run in free agency. So Jalen hu Chafino, as bad

620
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Speaker 3: as he is as a as a catch and shoot player,

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Speaker 3: he actually shot forty percent on pull up jump shots

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Speaker 3: this year, so he can hit shots in pick and

623
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Speaker 3: roll as he gets downhill into that mid range area.

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Speaker 3: He also is limited as a passer to the weak side,

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00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: like making cross court passes to shooters, but he's very

626
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Speaker 3: good at making passes to the role man you guys

627
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: might know Trace Jackson Davis, who ended up going to

628
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: the Warriors at the end of the second round. He

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Speaker 3: was a really good big man that was one of

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Speaker 3: Jalen's teammates and he was awesome at feeding him in

631
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Speaker 3: pick and roll constantly in just like the little passes

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00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: over the top and pocket passes. That's a great fit

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Speaker 3: with Anthony Davis and Lebron So I think the thought

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00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: pro says there for the Lakers was we're looking for

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Speaker 3: a backup guard. And for as high as he was picked,

636
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Speaker 3: and with his physical tools, you get the nail on head.

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Speaker 3: He's like six nine wingspan, six to ten wingspan. Without shoes,

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Speaker 3: he's like six four in a quarter so he's like

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Speaker 3: six ' five and some change. He weighs almost two

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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty pounds, so he's really big. That means

641
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: he's going to be able to defend up a position

642
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 3: and things like that. Not a fantastic athlete, but that's

643
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 3: kind of the trade off there they're going for. They're

644
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: not looking for upside from that pick. They're looking for

645
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: immediate productivity at the NBA level. I will say, though, Colin,

646
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: I really liked the kid that got in the second round,

647
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: this Max Lewis kid. So you played a Pepperdine freaky athlete,

648
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: just a knockdown shooter, just like an absolute knockdown shooter.

649
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: The player he reminds me the most of you remember

650
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: Trey Murphy from New Orleans, that wing that can just

651
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: shoot the out of the basketball, Like that's that's literally

652
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: the kind of upside that I see from Maxwell Lewis,

653
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: and so between him and Max Christy, the other wing

654
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: they got last year who's already bulked up and can

655
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 3: shoot really well too. Like the Lakers scouting department might

656
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: be the best in the league, and they have so

657
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: many hits between Austin Reeves and Alex Caruso and Kyle Kuzma,

658
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 3: Josh Hart, you go further back, like this is what

659
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 3: an asset to a front office to where even if

660
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: you're cap strapped, even if you're struggling, you know, to

661
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 3: make the right trades or you're just getting two or

662
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 3: three useful players every couple of season that can like

663
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 3: Austin Reeves averaged seventeen points and five assists and was

664
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 3: really efficient in the postseason last year. Like, they're getting

665
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: really useful players out of the draft. So shout out

666
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 3: to the Lakers scouting department.

667
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: I actually I read an article and I think it

668
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: was CBS Sports, and I apologize if it's not, and

669
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: the writer was saying for all the lamenting about the Lakers.

670
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 2: He said, you go six seven years back. The scouting

671
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: department's done a really good job for the Lakers and

672
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: they deserve props. And I think I said this to

673
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: you on one of our earlier podcasts. The game is

674
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 2: now so global it stretches. I mean these the NFL.

675
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 2: I've been told by an NFL general manager one time

676
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: that if you just took SEC players sixty percent, if

677
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: you just said I want to build an NFL team

678
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: and only draft out of the SEC, he said, as

679
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: long as you had a quarterback, he said, you'd be viable.

680
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: He's that's how many athletes there are in the SEC.

681
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 2: So think about that the NFL. If you had the

682
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: star quarterback and you just drafted the SEC, you know,

683
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: like that's that was your picks. He's like, you could build.

684
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 2: He goes, you wouldn't be the best roster, he said,

685
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 2: but you could build like a viable roster. The NBA

686
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 2: now the map is not only not the South, it's

687
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 2: the globe. And they're younger, and you have less tape

688
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: and let fewer games. So it's it. I always defend

689
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: these nbagms. You've got and now you've got kids, in

690
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 2: Europe playing against older players, so that dynamic. I'm watching

691
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 2: tape and I'm like, Okay, he's sixteen and that guy's

692
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: twenty four and he's going to be an NBA player,

693
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: and that guy's never going to be. So I think basketball,

694
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: to scout, we have to be we have. There's some

695
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: whiffs in this sport, but we've got to be realistic here.

696
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 2: It's hard like it's really like in baseball. I got

697
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: a jugs gun. I know what to throw, I know

698
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 2: what the speed is. Right. If you're playing college baseball,

699
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: it's college player against college player. There's there's obviously Latin America,

700
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: some international leagues and players, but I think basketball, I mean,

701
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: the Lakers have done a very admirable job. It's you

702
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: almost have to bake in some misses. You really do

703
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 2: have to bake in some misses. I remember years ago

704
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: when Mike Dunleyvy who's now the GM of the Warriors.

705
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 2: I covered him in high school and Jesuit High School

706
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: in Portland, and I knew his dad. I covered him

707
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 2: he was the Blazers coach, and I asked his dad

708
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: one time. When he left early, people thought he was

709
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 2: kind of thin. He should have stayed at Duke one

710
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 2: more year. And Mike and I had a long talk

711
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: one time about that, and he said, you know, Colin,

712
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: it was really about practice. Is that the best players

713
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: he ever faced were at Duke's practice. He wasn't facing

714
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: NBA players in games. And it's like, yeah, he's probably

715
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 2: leaving a year early, but he'll go up against better

716
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: players even if he doesn't play just at NBA practice.

717
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: And he said, you do get to a point where

718
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: you're not leaving just for the money. You're leaving to

719
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: get better faster, Right. So I guess my point is

720
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: I always kind of defend general managers in the NBA

721
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: and scouts. It's hard. The other thing is the younger people.

722
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: I have six kids in my life. The younger your kid,

723
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 2: the bigger the leaps they take. Like my son between

724
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: fourteen and seventeen is a different person. In the NFL,

725
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: you got a kid at twenty three. The gap between

726
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 2: twenty three and twenty five is you're a little more mature.

727
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: But I grew six inches myself junior to senior year

728
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: in high school. So your body's not done, You're emotionally

729
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: not there, and you're asked as an NBA scout at

730
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 2: seventeen to grab, put your arms around it and figure

731
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 2: out this Rubik's cube, the jigsaw puzzle of a young man.

732
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: Boys mature slower than women. We never think about that.

733
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: So of the two sexes, of the two genders, boys

734
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 2: tend to mature much later. So you can draft a

735
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: player and he goes sideways. He's a kid, he's got money.

736
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: I guess it's a long winded way of saying the

737
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: Lakers deserve credit because it is hard to find your

738
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: Austin Reeves undrafted players averaging seventeen eighteen in the playoffs.

739
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 2: That is rare man. That's needle Haystacks stuck.

740
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 3: I honestly don't know how they do it because there

741
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: are so many different elements that go into scouting, and like,

742
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 3: obviously I do the best I can with my job,

743
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 3: like with the tools that I have at my disposal,

744
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 3: But demeanor is a huge part of it, like are

745
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 3: they workers? You know? Do they do? Are they a

746
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 3: competitiveness I think is one of the most underrated traits

747
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 3: in athletes because there are a lot of athletes like

748
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 3: the Deandreyton thing, like hey, what's your goal? In the

749
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 3: NBA to get to that second contract. I'd be like, what,

750
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 3: Like I can't even relate to that, Like what are

751
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 3: you talking about? Like I get it, I understand like

752
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 3: you want to provide financial security to your family. I'm

753
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: not trying to undercut the money side of it. But

754
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 3: like I do think that like freakish competitiveness, like the

755
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 3: unrelenting desire to be better than your peers is something

756
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 3: that you have to try to identify obviously physical tools

757
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 3: and the certain limitations that take place there. Basketball, like

758
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: Ques a huge one, Like Austin Reeves in particular, a

759
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 3: huge reason why he's been so good is he's just

760
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: really a really smart basketball player. And so like he

761
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: went to go play with Lebron James in a preseason

762
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 3: mini camp, and Lebron like right away it was like

763
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 3: Colin Robb and like, sign this dude, because like Lebron

764
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: picked up on, Hey, if I have him as the

765
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 3: fifth guy on my team, he just kind of makes

766
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: everything gel and work. But I do I don't envy

767
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 3: the job because especially I'm sure it's gotten even more

768
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 3: complicated post COVID, But I wonder how difficult it is

769
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: even to get close to these kids, to get to

770
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 3: know them and to learn what makes them tick before

771
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 3: you make a draft pick. Like it's a really, really

772
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 3: difficult job. And that's why I want to like shout

773
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 3: out the Lakers scouting department because they have an incredibly

774
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: high batting average for what should be a career with

775
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 3: a lot more misses than hits, you know what I mean.

776
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, By the way, one thing you didn't mentioned is

777
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 2: it's the first time you deal with failure, Like it'll

778
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 2: be the first time in your career. You dominated high

779
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: school au college, people are gonna slot your shit, right,

780
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 2: It's like, how do you deal with failure? Like some

781
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: guys shrink, some guys battle through it. So all right,

782
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: finally we'll wrap it up. We talked about this last

783
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: podcast about the and it's been the emergence over seven

784
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: to eight years of the European basketball and Steve Kerr

785
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: has noted that the aaum of basketball is not necessarily

786
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: great for character building going forward. Adam Silver's I think

787
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: Adam Silver sense this when he made the suspension the

788
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: jah morant, and I think Adam's really bright, but I

789
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 2: think Adam knew it was a moment He's watching Zion

790
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: go sideways, he's watching Jogo sideways and he sees these

791
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: mature European players, and I think he understands the value

792
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: of our domestic players on his TV ratings. This is

793
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 2: not a knock on Jokic, but nobody in this league

794
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: outside of Denver watched him for the first two years

795
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: he was in the league. Nobody's watching these second round guys.

796
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: Draymond Green was a second rounder, but he was four

797
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 2: years at Michigan State. He was a tremendous college player.

798
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: He may have been a college All American. He was

799
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,479
Speaker 2: a great college player. I remember Draymond Green second round

800
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 2: like first time. I saw him as a problem. Oh

801
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: that's the Spartan. I watched that guy with tom Izzo.

802
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 2: You don't get that with second run internet players or

803
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: Giannis going ten to eleven twelfth. I thought the Jahn

804
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: Morant suspension was sort of a It was Adam Silver's

805
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: way of saying, guys, we're unraveling. Our domestic players are

806
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 2: unraveling here a bit, we're asking more. They're bigger stars.

807
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 2: There's Instagram. It's all And I think I think he

808
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: saw it and kind of says, guys, the world's changing

809
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: really fast. The phones now he had mentioned two years ago,

810
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: my players are miserable. There was a lot of pushback

811
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: on jows twenty five game suspension. Even jos family reported

812
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 2: they think he's picking on him. How did it land

813
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: with you? I mean, when Adam made it, did you

814
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 2: just see it as right? I saw it as a

815
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: big picture, a little bit of a warning sign to

816
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 2: the league. Guys. We got guys unraveling here. We're not

817
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 2: going soft on this. That was my take here.

818
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think maturity is the big one, and I

819
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: think it's stem from the way the system works. We

820
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: kind of have a broken system in development right now.

821
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 3: And I don't want to blame AAU exclusively because trust me,

822
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: they are really bad high school programs and there are

823
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 3: really bad college programs too, Like you'd be surprised. We

824
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: have this like expectation, like, oh, everyone that became a

825
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 3: college coach is super competent and knows what they're doing. No, no, no,

826
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 3: there are plenty of colleges out there that are running

827
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 3: the exact opposite of a tight ship. Whereas like overseas,

828
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 3: it's pretty straightforward. It's like, oh, you're sixteen, time for

829
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 3: you to start playing with the men and you're and

830
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 3: you're gonna be You're gonna behave like professional. They're going

831
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: to be in locker rooms with professionals. They're going to

832
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 3: teach you. You're going to learn, and you know, I

833
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: think ironically, and he's not even an American, but I

834
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 3: guess you can call North American. But if I had

835
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 3: to pick the North American player that is most capable

836
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: of competing with the Jannis and Embiid and and lu

837
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 3: Luca and Jokic, it's probably shake Gilges Alexander. And he's

838
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 3: such a grown up. He's never in the news, he's

839
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: never doing anything except for kicking people's ass on the

840
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 3: basketball court. He's quiet, but he's loud within his locker

841
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 3: room and as a leader. And he's just a growth

842
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: Shay Gills as Alexander's a grown man already at his age.

843
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 3: And so I think maturity is the big part of it.

844
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: And I don't I don't know what a good answer is.

845
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 3: I think Adam Silver obviously being more of a disciplinarian,

846
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: I think helps, Like I think it's important to kind

847
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: of send this message because it's not just about hurting

848
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 3: the kids in the short term in terms of making

849
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 3: them miss games. It's also about teaching a lesson that

850
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 3: could help them have a longer NBA career, you know,

851
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 3: like to even some of these some of these women

852
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 3: out there that have been taking advantage of players and

853
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 3: causing problems, Like there needs to be education on that front. Hey,

854
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 3: guess what, Like if she's reaching out to you on Instagram,

855
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 3: she may not have your best interest at heart. She

856
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: may be trying to take advantage of you. There's a

857
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 3: lot of immaturity in our basketball pipeline, so to speak.

858
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: And I don't I don't really know what the answer is.

859
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: I just as someone who's a fan of American basketball,

860
00:44:59,040 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 3: I hope we get it together.

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00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: Okay, So it's interesting you bring up Shae because what

862
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: do Shae and Steph and I, Jannis and Jokic have

863
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: in common? Slow growth, humbled, early injury, early, had to

864
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: put on weight, had to develop jaw zion stars day one.

865
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is society. If you give

866
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: any young person too much early, they get engulfed by it.

867
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: That Shae, if I recalled, did Shae come out the

868
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 2: same year as Knox at Kentucky.

869
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Speaker 3: Kentucky?

870
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: Yet so Knox got more publicity Shaye was so skinny

871
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 2: that I remember Knox was the talk of the two

872
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: that came out. He didn't develop. He was kind of

873
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 2: a low ceiling player. But Shae got a little humbled.

874
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: He wasn't even the most discussed Kentucky guy. He came

875
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: in really thin. You know, he got moved from the Clippers.

876
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: George right, So what a shock that steph early injury,

877
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: slow growth, Davidson, Shae Filler, Yokic second round. I I

878
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 2: that's why I say I blame the players, but I

879
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: get it. The slow growth build, slightly humbled, sit on

880
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: a bench. Second round. What a shock. John Zion were superstars.

881
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: I mean the day they're drafted. That's all I talked

882
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 2: about for two years was these guys. So we can

883
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: blame Zion and Job, but I think you could have

884
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: put a lot of kids in that. It was a lot,

885
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 2: and I'm not giving them a pass. But I watched

886
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: my kids. My wife and I always talk about this,

887
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: not too much too soon. There are steps and appropriate steps,

888
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: and you know, when you're giving your kids an allowance,

889
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: what's appropriate for their age. I mean we have like

890
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 2: tears of what's appropriate. Okay, you're in college now, you

891
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: get a little bit more now you're out of college

892
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: for a year, like you know, you gotta will help

893
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: you pay your cell phone bill. So no, Shay's a

894
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: really good example of it. Shae's a grown up because

895
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: Shae was humbled and it's a slow growth story. Is

896
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: this his fifth year?

897
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 3: He's been in the league for a while. I want

898
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 3: to say he's twenty four, so it's probably his fifth

899
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 3: or sixth year. But he's like he colin mark my words.

900
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: Next year is the Shae gilt. Well, he did make

901
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 3: first team All NBA, so should I should call it

902
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 3: his coming out party? Made for it, but he probably

903
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 3: shouldn't have for a team that missed the playoffs. But

904
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 3: next year is gonna be Shae's coming out party. Okay, See,

905
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: he's gonna be awesome. They're gonna make it to the playoffs.

906
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: He's his game is constructed to succeed in the playoffs.

907
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: Shae.

908
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: Next year is going to be the year Shade becomes

909
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 3: a bona fide, like a legitimate superstar in the league.

910
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 3: And by the way, from the money standpoint, like a

911
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 3: number one overall draft pick now makes pretty damn near

912
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 3: what Lebron James made with the heat, like the way

913
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: that the money has changed too, Like these guys are

914
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 3: immediately coming into great amounts of wealth. Obviously, the sneaker

915
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 3: deals are huge with the marketing capability provided by social media,

916
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 3: Guys like Zion and jaw as highlight reels are just

917
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 3: so marketable. And I'm sure, I mean you said it yourself,

918
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: Like toss any kid into that situation, they're going to

919
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 3: have some issues. And so maybe that's what it is,

920
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: like Joel Embii coming up as like a late bloomer

921
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 3: soccer player kid to Janna Santani hoopo, same thing, like

922
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: just at this kind of like long lanky, super raw player,

923
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 3: Like they come up in a way that they're humbled

924
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: along the way. And the reality is is the Lebron

925
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 3: James type, the dude who's the protege from the beginning,

926
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 3: the dude who's the legitimate, like all time prospect from

927
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 3: day one. He's the exception that's super rare. Yes, they're

928
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 3: super rare. Like I mean even this kid from Duke

929
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: that Dallas drafted, he was the number one pick or

930
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: the number one prospect coming out of high school before

931
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 3: he went to Duke and like barely played twenty minutes

932
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 3: a game like, it's a completely different level of process.

933
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 3: When you are getting humbled, when you run into somebody

934
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 3: who's legitimately better than you, versus when you're constantly clying up.

935
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 3: You just kind of have a chip on your shoulder

936
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 3: that sens.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: Jason Timpf hoops tonight. Love doing these. Eventually, we're going

939
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: to give Jason a day off. We've discussed it as

940
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 2: a company. It's coming sometime. He's going to get summer off.

941
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Speaker 2: You can follow him on Twitter. He's a great follow

942
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: I get so many compliments about your work. It's great

943
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Speaker 2: scene again.

944
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Speaker 3: Oh and this has been such a fun couple of

945
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 3: months talking basketball with you.

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Speaker 1: The volume