WEBVTT - Red Bull (Part 2) - SuperMax and Trusty Sidekick 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:14.200 Lily touring or to amno ethan sulfonic acid is an 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:18.680 organic compound that is widely distributed in animal tissues. It 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:22.000 is a major constituent of bile and can be found 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:24.760 in the large intestine and accounts for up to point 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:28.880 one percent of total human body weight. It's named after 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:33.680 the Latin taurus, which means bull or ox was first 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:39.440 isolated from ox bile in seven by a German scientist. 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:46.839 So touring in Red Bull basically animal bile stomach acid 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:53.040 delicious carbonated, which is which is an excellent transition to 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:57.760 Max whatever. His last name is a perfect segue, if 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:02.880 you will. So for those who are just joining us, 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:07.920 this is a second episode about Red Bull, second of 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.960 our two parter, focusing on the drivers and what would 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:14.600 I what I would consider to be probably the most 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:19.360 interesting driver pairing in that I don't necessarily feel like 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.160 they are competing against each other. But we will get 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:29.319 into why that happened and why that exists. From my 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:40.640 Heart Radio and Sports Illustrated Studios, this is choosing sides. One. Wow, 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.160 I have to admit, as a sports fan, there's something 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:55.480 extraordinarily contradictory about watching teammates pass each other it's still 0:01:55.600 --> 0:02:02.120 I still can't kind of comprehend it because they're on 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:05.920 the same team, but yet they're racing, so that that 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:10.359 that's a very complicated but also cool factor of Formula One. 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.120 I would say it's more one way at Red Bull. 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.800 You know, we don't we don't see Sergio Perez, also 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.760 known as Checho passing Max, but we definitely see quite 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:22.080 a bit of Max at times passing passing Checko. But 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:25.960 we'll get into that. So yeah, So our two drivers today, 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:30.760 we have reigning World driver's champion Max for Stappin, and 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:34.600 then we have Sergio Perez. Sergio Perez is also often 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:38.000 called Checko, so you can use those names interchangeably, but 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:42.000 he's more often than not called just Checko. So we're 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:45.680 gonna start with Max for Stappin, partially because he is 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.880 the reigning world champion and he got that title through 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.200 a little bit of an upset. Do you remember when 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.800 we talked about Louis Hamilton's with Mercedes, we discussed how 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:58.520 he's into a million things. He does fashion, he loves 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:04.160 his dog, he you know, he's got tattoos, into social activism. 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:08.000 I would say Max for Stappen, Max Verstappen is the 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:12.239 complete opposite end of the spectrum. He has essentially been 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.640 engineered from birth to be a Formula One driver. That 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:17.919 is all he's about, that is all he thinks about. 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.320 I remember interviewing him at the end of the sixteen 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.720 season and he said, if someone gives me a car 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:26.680 fast enough to win, I will be world champion. This 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.560 is Jenny Gal, a long time F one journalist. There's 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.519 no butts with Maxi verstapp and he knows he's good enough. 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.080 He just needed a car and now he has it. 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:39.840 So he's a very intriguing character, the antithesis of Sir 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.800 Lewis Hamilton's inasmuch as he does turn up on a 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:46.720 race weekend. He hates talking to the media. Just already 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.680 stopped about this because it's we had so many questions 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:53.800 about this ridiculous. He gets into his car as quickly 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.520 as he can, he drives some laps around and then 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:58.800 he leaves the track and you don't hear of him, 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.280 you don't see him. He doesn't have any kind of 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:06.800 huge online presence. Tennis has these people, and I can't 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:08.760 stand these people in my in the sport of tennis 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:14.280 because they just are engineered robots, fun to watch and 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.800 amazing at this skill set. But then it's like, what 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:21.360 else life is this, you know, buffet of emotions and 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:25.000 interests and hobbies and people in my opinion, and they's 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.320 just not how they live their life. What what? What 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:31.440 nationality is Max? He is Dutch and he was He 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.280 was the first Dutch Formula One driver to ever win 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:44.080 a Grand Prix. They fucking love Max for staffid in 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.080 back in the Netherlands, like they are obsessed with him. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:52.160 They're a small country. They go very hard for their athletes. Yeah, 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.200 I got a couple of pictures here to show you. 0:04:55.240 --> 0:05:01.600 Uh looks like a race picture racing car driver. Uh, 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:05.719 you know what, his face, it's just not the warmest, 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.720 most likable looking face. I don't know what you're saying 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:10.320 is Max is starting out at a bit of a 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.080 deficit for you. Actually, I did find some photos of 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:15.440 him smiling for you, which might also be a little 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.800 bit of a foreign look. So I have Max on 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.919 the left it's him current day, and then on the 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.680 right is when he entered F one as a teenager. 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.600 It looks like the face is not meant to smile. 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.920 It looks like like like if someone had to punch 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.720 in into a computer software. Okay, Max, smile and the 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:36.320 pressed enter. I'm being very hard on this young champion man. 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.400 He looks so young, still got acne on his face. 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:43.039 But um interested to hear more about him because my 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.280 initial reaction is like he reminds me of of a 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:48.760 racing robot. You're not incorrect in terms of what other 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:52.520 people have said. So to understand Max Verstappen, it's actually 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.640 very important to understand his father, a man named Yos 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:59.440 first Appen Yos Jos Yas Firs. Stepping actually was also 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:03.080 a Formula one driver, though not a particularly successful one. 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:07.440 He's actually known for a race where back in the day, 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.760 during pit stops, drivers used to come in get their 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:14.320 tires change and actually refuel and on one such occasion 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:18.039 his team pulled out you know, the the gas pump 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:23.599 refueling stuff early and his car set ablaze with Yas 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:29.599 for Steppen in it an interesting, interesting legacy to leave. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:33.400 But basically Yas has the son Max. And aside from 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.919 day one that Max Verstappen is going to be the 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.120 F one driver, he never was. He's going to conquer 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.360 the sport and and that's just how it's it's going 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:47.600 to be. Stappen was quite an abrasive character, and he 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:52.680 used that sort of aggression that you know parent on 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.560 the touch line shouting at their child, screaming for them 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.400 to get a goal. He used that psyche to to 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:00.359 get the best out of Max to sta happened, and 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.960 it was a harsh upbringing. I'm not going to assign 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.000 judgment on this, but just to list some things. He 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:09.279 has been accused of assault and domestic violence by several 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:13.560 former partners, including Max's mother. Uh In twelve, he was 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:17.520 actually arrested on attempted murder charges for allegedly trying to 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:21.200 run over the next girlfriend, though those charges were eventually dropped. 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.360 And I will say the way that Max talks about 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.920 his childhood, it's very awkward in that Max will describe 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:32.320 it in very folksy nostalgic terms. But then the stories 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.720 he's telling, you're just kind of as an adult sitting 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.800 there like what so. For example, he was once left 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:42.080 to the service station because he didn't win a race, 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.000 and then his mom had to come and pick him up. 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.560 He also proceeded to for the week following this incident 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.680 not talked to Max. Now it tears a plenty in 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:54.360 that household, but it brought him into this category of 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.480 being one of the best sports people we've seen in 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.320 form in a one. Well, now I feel terrible for 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.080 what I said about Max, because he might be an 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.440 excellent racer, but what he probably needs is a hug 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:07.920 from dad on, some unconditional love. Probably a little therapy, 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:11.080 but they all need therapy. But yeah, so, yeah, so 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:12.920 I think that adds a little more context to why 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.400 Max is the way he is. I will say, though, 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:17.640 that y'as didn't turn out to be correct, that he 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.600 was a very very good driver from a young age. 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.560 I mean, he was racking up wins left and right 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.679 all the way back when he was a kid krding. 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:26.920 I think he first took him out, first took Max 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:28.760 out to kart when he was four or four and 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:30.840 a half years old. He's one of these you know, 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.720 from the very beginning was was a racer. And he 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.679 has the interesting distinction of remember when we talked about 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.920 how there are these quote unquote lower lower formulas that 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.480 you work up from F four F three Formula two, 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:46.400 so Max actually went straight from Formula three to Formula one. 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:51.040 So he skipped Formula two, and he to this day 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.439 is the youngest uh F one driver to ever start 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.320 a race. He was seventeen years old, and then he 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.439 ended up becoming the youngest driver to ever win a 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:05.880 Grand Prix when he was eighteen years old. You are 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:09.840 a race winner. Fantastic, what a trade debut, Thank you 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:13.800 very much, Christian. So he's a guy who's been golden boy, 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:17.360 especially in this one particular team structure since day zero. 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:21.439 Pretty much interesting. I like him more and I sympathize 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.360 with him more now that I know the history, which 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.120 is which is probably how it is with every human 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:28.400 on earth. So practice empathy today, ladies and gentlemen. You 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:30.640 never know who the Max for staffands are in your 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:34.120 own lives. Uh So, Okay, this probably also doesn't surprise 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.640 you that Max as a driver can be a little aggressive, 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:48.880 more than a little aggressive. That's what he is. Ridiculous heratistically, honestly. 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:51.520 And he's also though known for being one of the 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:54.000 fastest I mean even again when he was carding, when 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:55.880 he was when he was in these lower formulas, was 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:57.880 just always known for his speed, and there was a 0:09:57.880 --> 0:09:59.920 lot of belief back then that even though he would 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:01.559 ash or make mistakes. It was like, hey, we can 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.920 we can really hone this kid's skill and keep the 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.080 speed and lose all the other the other stuff on 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:10.520 the flip side. Max, in addition to being pretty matter 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.520 of fact, as we've discussed a little bit automaton at times, 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.840 he has an extreme dislike for the media. Max. Well, 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:29.160 i've you had so many accidents. I don't know, and 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.640 like I said in the beginning of this press conference, 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.800 I got really tired of all the questions. So yeah, 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:37.960 I think if I get a few more ahead about 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.880 someone speaking of this Netflix show Drive to Survive, that 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.960 kind of periodically comes up. He actually declined to participate 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.760 in season four because they create fake storylines and fake 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.240 rivalries and he did not like his portrayal. And of 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.800 course there is some debate over if the portrayal was 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.040 inaccurate or not. That's a debate everyone can have. But 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.920 I will say everyone wants you to start streaming. He 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.320 does get along with quite a few of the drivers 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.280 around his own age on the grid. He does do 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:07.040 twitch streams with them. I love you he can, so 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.720 I wouldn't say that he's like a disliked character universally 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.839 particularly by his peers who actually have to race against him. 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:17.560 Good luck, don't don't cry. No, I'll try not to, 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.600 and I'll see We're gonna take a break and we're 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:26.120 right back. Max is the defending world champion, right, Okay? 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:31.160 So it I mean, are we rooting for him to defend? 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:35.680 Do we like Max, does the sport like Max? Or 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:40.040 is he kind of the you know, ugly champion and 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.520 everyone's kind of hoping someone more marketable comes through. There 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.120 was a lot of controversy over this, and I'm gonna 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.000 try to explain it as suscinctly as possible, because when 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:51.760 I say they're a little podcast like shows dedicated to 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:56.000 this incident or last season series of incidents that led 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.080 to Max being world champion, like, it would take take 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.920 a lot of time, you know. And I'm going to 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:03.439 also try and say this in a way that doesn't 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:08.120 offend everyone who was, in fact a fan who watched 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.720 last season. So, as we were talking about, Red Bull 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.520 went through some years where they weren't really in championship 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:18.560 contending mode, but in one they finally have a car 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.520 that is capable of keeping up with Mercedes, and for 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.680 the first time in many years, there were two separate 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:28.560 drivers from two separate teams who were in fact dueling 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.320 for a championship. Lewis and Max go back and forth 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.360 the whole season in terms of who's winning, who's up 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.240 in the points. They have two major crashes that are 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:40.000 also hotly debated to this day. One, for instance, involves 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:43.480 Max going yet over uh fifty I think it's fifty 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.920 one g forces into a wall at Silverstone. You then 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:51.560 have Max basically crashing over Louis and that little, uh, 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.080 that like circular thing called the halo that you see 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.480 over the cars that saved Louis from having his head 0:12:56.520 --> 0:13:00.600 crushed by Max's car. The fans are just bit like 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:04.120 feral at this point. Racist messages, including monkey emojis and 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.600 other racial abuse came off to Hamilton's fought back from 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.840 a ten second panel. Racist abuse directed at Lewis Hamilton's 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.520 is unacceptable, and we've removed a number of comments from Instagram. 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.320 The one thing I think all fans can agree on 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.400 is that race control. You know, the f I A 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:23.120 these kind of people who govern over the sport. We're 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:27.679 really not set up to referee or moderate a good 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.800 championship battle. They hadn't had one in years there were 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:34.080 a lot of inconsistencies about certain penalties being called for 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:37.680 certain drivers or teams or situations not others. People were 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:42.200 not fans generally of how the season was reft, so 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.640 to speak, and so we somehow end up, through a 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.120 variety of means, getting to the last race of last 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:52.959 season and Lewis and Max are completely tied in the points. Yeah, 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.960 perfect storm, right, you're just sitting there. It was must 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.640 must watch TV. I was in Costa Rica for a wedding, 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.280 and I was up after the wedding, you know, the 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:04.920 next morning like six and am to watch what was 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.920 about to unfold. We've been waiting for this whole season long, 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:11.400 the finale, the title decide under the lights here and 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:15.440 abbys abby. It slides down away. Lewis is ahead, He's 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.760 doing well for much of the race. For the first 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.200 you know, fifty or so laps, it's really looking like 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.880 a Louis win. Then with only a couple of laps 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.560 to go in the final race of the season, a 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.600 driver from your Darling team Williams, a man named Nicholas 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.960 Latifi crashes and when there's a crash where they need 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:34.800 to clear the debris, in the car and make sure 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:38.520 the driver's okay. They usually issue what's called a safety car. 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.600 Basically the drivers have to slow down. You know, it 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:42.880 forced them to get to the side of the track. 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:44.960 They can't be passing anyone. You know. The whole idea 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.160 is to keep the race going. Why aren't we getting 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.120 these from lap cars out of the way and just 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.760 keep close Christian, just keep me a second. You know, 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.960 Lewis is in first place, Max is in second, but Max, 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.000 because of where they were in the race, is actually 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.800 behind several cars who Lewis had lapped, and so normally, 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:03.760 you know, it takes a little time, even if you're 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:05.760 faster on these cars to get around them. That's just 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.920 how race car driving works. What ends up happening is 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.440 that the race director, this guy named Michael Massey whose 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:15.960 name is now living in infamy. Essentially, Michael Massey makes 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:18.680 a call where he allows Max to kind of go 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:20.920 ahead of these lap cars and not they call it 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.760 unlapping themselves, so he doesn't have to fight around them 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:29.520 because they're on the last lap of the race. This confusion, 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.320 but the safety car is coming in at the end 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:36.120 of this lap, so they those backmarkers allowed, So I 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:39.960 would say the safety car, and Michael Massey makes this 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:44.080 decision because they want a race to actually happen. And 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.160 the big problem with this for Stefan has the faster, 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:51.160 fresher tires. We've talked about tire strategy and all these 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:52.920 other things that go into a Formula One race. So 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.960 Max actually has fresher tires than Lewis. So obviously, given 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:59.680 that his tires are a lot newer, he's able to 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.440 pass Lewis Hamilton's on the last lap. He's gonna make 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.480 the luge inside how about it? Says it coming, it's 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:09.200 a light large barbs dapper and wins the Formula One 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:13.760 Championship for the driver's title. Let's started with controversy, has 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:19.680 ending with controversy. Biking no no. Mike Mercedes still wins 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:25.160 the Constructor's Championship, but he denies Louis his eighth world title, 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.960 which would make him the winningest driver in in Formula 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:32.600 history definitively, and that's Max's win. The problem is his 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:36.920 his world title for season comes with this weird asterisk, right, Yeah, 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.280 Like it's this weird sort of setup where it's like, 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.760 well he's not even allowed. Yeah, So this has created 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.000 a lot of a lot of drama after the fact. 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.080 We're breaking news to bring you from the world of 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.360 Formula One. This time the f i A say that 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.640 Michael Massey has lost his role as the current race director. 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.040 They put him in another position in the f i A. 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.840 He's just not race direct right. Yeah, but I mean this, 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:01.320 this doesn't matter to me. If you're a race director, 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:03.760 the head of Formula One, there should just be systems 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:07.320 in place that that doesn't even allow that. That's like saying, Okay, 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.320 NBA teams, we had someone run on the court, but 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.640 now you get ten extra points. I mean it's just nuts. Yeah. 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.200 That being said, did Max do anything wrong? I think 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.800 no one would would argue that Max isn't capable of 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.639 winning a World Driver's title. Right. He was right in 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:23.800 there all season. He's had some phenomenal races. Just a 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:27.280 fast guy. And look, I also personally, just speaking for myself, 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.440 I do not fault Max for taking advantage of the 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.840 situation he was given, right, you gotta he did. He'd 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:33.200 exactly what they said there. I think you can you 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.800 can get past these cars having to fight them for it. 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:38.280 You know, he had fresher tires, which again was just 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:41.359 a lucky strategic call and it it was just one lap left. 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.560 There's one lap left when the safety car was taken out. Also, 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:49.560 Lewis allowed himself to be overtaken. Well, he was just 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:51.720 not his car wasn't gonna be as fast as with 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.840 tires that were old. So so then you could make 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.359 the argument, and I'm playing Devil's advocate both sides here, 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.400 you can make the argument that Max and his team 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.399 managed the car are better exactly. Yeah, I can just 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:04.119 say they lucked out. They're able to get new tires 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:05.679 on at a time. You know, they obviously don't know 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:07.840 that Nicholas latif he's going to crash into a wall 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:09.720 with a couple of laps left. So that's I would 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.800 say Max's deal. So in terms of how Max is 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.159 doing coming into this two season, I will say he 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.680 had a rough start the first race. Both Red Bull 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:24.159 cars end up not finishing, and Max was understandably not 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.960 pleased as the rating world champion who already has a 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.640 little bit of a chip on his shoulder coming in 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.879 as of this recording. Things got a lot better after 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.600 those first couple of races. He has been called dominant 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.000 by some in the press this season. There's still a 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:46.200 lot of two season to go, so it's definitely too 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.880 early to just call it. But I think if Max 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.760 was hoping to have a season where no one could 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:55.520 dispute that he was the champion, He's definitely on his 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:57.880 way to getting there where there wouldn't be a single 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:01.480 asterisk or any weirdness or a keyness around him taking 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.200 that title. We'll be right back after this break. It 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:08.160 will be faster than a red bull pit stop. Who's 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.040 on the other side of the garage, So across the 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:16.080 garage we have Sergio Checko Perez, who has a completely 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.720 different vibe than backs for staffing in every way, shape 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:23.080 or form. So the quick stats Checko is thirty two 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:26.600 years old as of this recording. He is a father 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:30.360 too too soon to be three kids. He's married, and 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:34.280 he's from Mexico, and that's a big deal for many reasons, 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:38.600 including sponsorship wise, checko career in general has been largely 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.840 funded by Carlo Slim, the billionaire, and a lot of 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.760 his companies sponsored Checko, so you'll see the Claro logo 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.040 on all sorts of stuff over the years. That's also 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.640 been actually a reason why Checko has sometimes been preferred 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.400 over other drivers by teams. Is Hey, this guy's gonna 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:54.919 bring all this money, especially money that we don't necessarily 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:58.840 see into the sport. You mean Latin American money, exactly. Yeah. 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.920 So you know, Carlo Slim isn't sponsoring any other drivers 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:05.240 in the same way he's sponsoring Checho Perez. Uh. Something 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:08.080 else about Checko He is very Catholic. At one point 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:11.160 he kept a photo of the late Pope John Paul 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:24.240 the Second in his F one car. Yes, baby, you 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:29.119 know what, whatever keeps you safe, whatever it gives you 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:31.639 that little bit of edge you have, it's superstition or 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:34.199 something like he it seems to work for him. He's 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:36.520 has one of the longest careers currently. Yeah, I love 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:38.919 that about him. I love that he's thirty two. I 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:41.320 love that family seems to be important. And this is 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:44.240 based off of what you've just told me. I don't 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:46.000 really know what these guys do them their private time, 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:48.520 but so yeah, So, as I said, Checho has one 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:52.440 of the longest running careers, especially enough one right now. 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:55.480 So he's been in the sport for well over a decade, which, again, 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:57.359 in a sport where every race could be your last 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:00.399 is pretty impressive. Impressive. Why has Checko stuck around for 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.480 so long? Really? Why has Checho stuck around? So? A 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:06.240 couple of things. One, he does have great sponsorship with 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:09.359 people like Carlo Slim. So if you're bringing in money, 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:10.919 you know you can afford to have a little more 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:13.600 wiggle room in terms of if things aren't going perfectly 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:16.000 or super swell. But what do you mean you're bigging 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:19.960 in money because because it's not like the Formula One 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:25.479 gets the money from from Slim, you're saying because he 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:30.240 is funded or because he makes money from the endorsements 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:33.160 that somehow I don't understand. So a lot of times 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:36.080 these sponsors for individual drivers, that money goes to the team, 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:38.480 So they bring in money for the teams. They might say, 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.760 you know, hey, Carloston will say I'm gonna give Red 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.840 Bull thirty million dollars or whatever it is, and they'll say, okay, 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:46.800 that's that's a huge chunk of change. That helps a 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:49.560 lot exactly. So so if you have some of these sponsors, 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:51.840 it can just get you a little bit more more 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:54.600 time if things aren't going well. He's a driver who 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:56.760 came into Formula One as a page driver, He didn't 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.840 get into forming one purely based on you know, office talent. 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:03.000 This is f one expert I'll just kevlowskis. But the 0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:04.760 reason why I'm a fan of him is that very 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.560 quickly we realized this guy is not here just off 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:10.040 the back of his money. He has got talent, and 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:11.960 no one calls him a paid driver anymore. The way 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:14.119 he's been going around teams, he has been there for 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:16.359 a reason. He had to grind his way. He's not 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:19.280 a household name like a maximust happen. But yeah, he 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:21.600 finally got into Red Bull, you know the team that 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:24.960 is basically Max's team. Everyone knew it, there's no kind 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:26.800 of denying it. So check is known as a very 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:29.959 consistent driver and a well rounded driver, but in particular 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:33.199 he can be really really good at defending pack up, 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:37.720 brilliant job, brilliant the stuff. And he's also very good 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:41.679