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Speaker 1: Well, get everybody. Welcome to Friday where we had. Okay,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Friday's edition of Big Blue Kickoff live here

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot com. I'm Paul de Tino, Super Bowl Champ,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Eagles at Jay Fiegeles on Twitter at Giants w

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Speaker 1: people are shy, Jeff, and they don't like to dive

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Speaker 1: us up on the phone, so people like to type

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Speaker 1: your Twitter comments as well. We're gonna be here for

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Speaker 1: the next hour and talk Giants football with you, and

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Speaker 1: quite honestly, Jeff again, the number two O one five

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Speaker 1: one three are lines are wide open right now if

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Speaker 1: you'd like to get in and they will get you on. Hold. Uh, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: We just finished up watching the rookies last week as

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Speaker 1: they came in for their rookie minicamp, seventy seven players

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Speaker 1: at all ten draft picks a total of seventy seven,

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Speaker 1: which included a whole ton of rookie tryouts of which

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Speaker 1: only a few got signed, which means they were just normal.

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Speaker 1: They'll be able to come back to the ninety man

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Speaker 1: roster when the workouts begin next week. But from from

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Speaker 1: your perspective, Okay, as you look at this rookie class,

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Speaker 1: I've been telling Lance and John both, I could easily

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Speaker 1: see eight of the ten players making the team and

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Speaker 1: maybe two practice squad guys. I think that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the draft was very solid for the Giants, and I

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Speaker 1: think there's a lot of upside for these kids that

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Speaker 1: they took well eight out of ten. So Corey Valentine

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Speaker 1: Maybe those two guys have practice squad candidates. I think

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Speaker 1: it's very possible and realistic. The other eight guys could

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Speaker 1: just analysis. You know, he's a three three technique gap guy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so there's a little adds a little depth at that position.

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Speaker 1: But the knock on him why he was the seventh

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Speaker 1: rounders because he's late. He was you know, knocked as

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Speaker 1: being a little bit lazy. And his production. He's a

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Speaker 1: big dude. His production just didn't didn't mold with what

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Speaker 1: his size, and he's you know, could have done a

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Speaker 1: little better. So let's just see what happens. Sometimes guys

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Speaker 1: wake up, a little light bulb goes on in their

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Speaker 1: But bottom line, yeah, I mean eight out of ten

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Speaker 1: I think there's probably gonna be one in there that's

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Speaker 1: the top one for me is the Auburn receiver. Oh okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a tough That's a tough crowd because Slayton's got

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Speaker 1: but that's all you can ask for. You got drafted

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Speaker 1: with receivers and defensive backs. That's a carousel there. It

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Speaker 1: very mobile. Yeah, and you know if you are, if

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Speaker 1: paying attention to special teams like you can't believe. I

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Speaker 1: to play special teams. And that's what he's gonna have to.

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Speaker 1: And that's a big thing, Paul. What happens to these

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Speaker 1: guys that come into college. Most of them, and I

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Speaker 1: That's hard to accept. It really is, well, because mentally

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Speaker 1: of these guys, all these guys will be playing special teams.

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Speaker 1: Whoever makes a team from this draft class will be

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Speaker 1: And he's physical too. Uh. They did make a movie

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Speaker 1: the other day, which was a little surprising too. I

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Speaker 1: think most of us Robert Martin, the Rutgers running back

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Speaker 1: he was He was jettisoned as the Giants brought in

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Speaker 1: former Cowboys and Seahawks running back Rod Smith. Very interesting move.

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Speaker 1: Certainly the experience and the veteran presence could be a plus.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. There's That's

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Speaker 1: And somebody said to me, what about the personal protector

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Speaker 1: the other spots, but whose key role or whose primary

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Speaker 1: personal protector for the punter. Is that's something that is plausible?

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Speaker 1: You did it? You well, you wanted for so many

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Speaker 1: let me tell you this. Yes, and yes, in the

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Speaker 1: He's got you named the name because I know that

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Speaker 1: that's who you're talking about. He is so smart because

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Speaker 1: tell the people? We did not know? It's just but listen,

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Speaker 1: try to do Dungee Ada, Syracuse. Okay, he's not making

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Speaker 1: this team as a quarterback. There's just no way in

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Speaker 1: so there's where you hide. But could he could he

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Speaker 1: Because and what are the key traits that that guy

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Speaker 1: and then you know what, tackling is a part of it.

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Speaker 1: You could always ask me a question. I want to know.

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Speaker 1: I want to know out of this draft class, who

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Speaker 1: you think could be a very impactual special teams player

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Speaker 1: this year. I know one. Actually, I know too. I

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Speaker 1: think there would be pretty good special teams. Well, I'd

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Speaker 1: be honest with you. I think all three cornerbacks could

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Speaker 1: be very important on special teams in terms of their

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Speaker 1: I see speed on all three of those guys. Although

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Speaker 1: I can only imagine that they will be kick butt coverage. Guys,

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Speaker 1: did you have somebody else in mind? I do, I do.

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Speaker 1: play some special teams, and I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be your special teams guy. And he might

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Speaker 1: you know, he he would definitely be a a contributor,

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Speaker 1: Reese regime. In terms of the draft picks that they took.

426
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Speaker 1: There's no question the Giants did not do enough early

427
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Speaker 1: enough to enhance and food of by their offensive line.

428
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Speaker 1: In particular, no question that position was unfortunately allowed to

429
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 1: rust and deteriorate to the point when where they finally

430
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: started to address it, it was too late and it

431
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 1: was not enough. Not that to me is the number

432
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Speaker 1: one characteristic. And they hang they hung on two players

433
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 1: way too long, way too long. Number two, Absolutely, they

434
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Speaker 1: did not turn the page on a misfire. You know,

435
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: it's Dave Gentleman's real quick on the on the trigger

436
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Speaker 1: if he thinks, you know what, this isn't working. It

437
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: was a misfire. We want to ry on this. Okay, Boom,

438
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Speaker 1: do something about it. Don't compound the error by holding

439
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Speaker 1: onto the misfire. So that's number two. I think you

440
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Speaker 1: could say Flowers was one of those guys, okay. And

441
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Speaker 1: and number three there were too many gambles too many

442
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Speaker 1: times in the first four rounds, especially the John Ants

443
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 1: under the last few years of that administration, were drafting

444
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 1: guys who were more athletic than they were football players

445
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: because they had great speeds and times and weights and measurements.

446
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: And these guys were wonderful athletes, outstanding physical specimens. You

447
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: get them in the locker room, you look at the

448
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: guy like, wow, man, this guy is gonna be great.

449
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 1: And then when they got out on the field, they

450
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: never fully acclimated themselves to the pro game for whatever

451
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: reason it was. And even Jerry Rees himself admitted this

452
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 1: going into his last season, and John Mara was very

453
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Speaker 1: public about saying, going into Jerry Reese's last season, we've

454
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: taken too many gambles. We've got to we've got to

455
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Speaker 1: take more shore fire bets in terms of real football players.

456
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: And those three things, to me characterized, would put the

457
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Speaker 1: Giants in the hole that they're still trying to crawl

458
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Speaker 1: out of. And I think that you and not you

459
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Speaker 1: and not are you this point when somebody has said it,

460
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 1: I think it might have been Daved Governman. When you

461
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: draft guys from good schools. Okay, let's take a look

462
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: at this Duke, good school, not a good powerhouse. But

463
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: you know, Daniel Jones is an exception of the rule here. Okay,

464
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: but nothing wrong with that. Duke Clemson, Georgia, old myths,

465
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Auvern, shall I go, Washington, keep going,

466
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Speaker 1: keep going, um Kentucky Okay, still a good school, good football,

467
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Speaker 1: I mean, not a great football school. They were a

468
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Speaker 1: good football school last year. And Syracuse, well, all major divisions,

469
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: all major divisions because that's Conference USA. That's where the

470
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Speaker 1: X man came from. Okay, and help me out this

471
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Speaker 1: go last year, name him last year where they came from.

472
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Speaker 1: With exception of Utah, I mean The second rounder was

473
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Speaker 1: from Utah, I mean Utah, and the guy was you know,

474
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Speaker 1: they never won a game in college, right, I mean

475
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Speaker 1: he he was. What I would say, there were certainly

476
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: conferences and schools that developed guys who are more pro

477
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Speaker 1: ready than others. And if that's the point you're gonna

478
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Speaker 1: get to, I think I think there's truth to that.

479
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Speaker 1: That is where I'm going. I feel like you have

480
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Speaker 1: to draft guys from big schools if they're going to

481
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Speaker 1: make the jump. Okay, now, but I don't want to

482
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Speaker 1: just automatically don't slam a guy who comes from a

483
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Speaker 1: smaller school. Let's say he can't do it. I don't

484
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Speaker 1: want I don't want to go. I guess the other

485
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Speaker 1: part of my answer is that if you do go

486
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Speaker 1: to another school, you there's really usually a reason why

487
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: that guy is coming from that school, whether it was

488
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: academics early on, whether it was something. There's no reason

489
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: why that guy can't be a great player. But you've

490
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: got to have a grade on him and you got

491
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Speaker 1: to do your due dillngence and make sure that he's

492
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Speaker 1: gonna be able to compete at the level that you're drafting.

493
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Speaker 1: To all these other kids from that's my point. And

494
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Speaker 1: does it happen? Absolutely every single year there's somebody from

495
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Speaker 1: a small school that makes the jump that nobody thought

496
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,239
Speaker 1: of that they could, and they do. It happens, you know.

497
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have on my computer in front,

498
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 1: but you go down the first three rounds, there's quite

499
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Speaker 1: a few kids from smaller schools in those first three

500
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: rounds that are going to make an impact on the team. Well,

501
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: bottom line, a smaller school may have a terrific coaching

502
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Speaker 1: staff or even a guy who had pro experience that

503
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: makes them more of an outlier in that regard and

504
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: will allow him to prepare his prospects, maybe even better

505
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Speaker 1: than one of the bigger schools who may not have

506
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Speaker 1: that talented of a coaching staff. That can happen, you know,

507
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Speaker 1: we you know, but any event, Uh, let's see here, Dave,

508
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Speaker 1: my computer is frozen, so you're just gonna have to

509
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Speaker 1: go to the next line. Scott is online three too

510
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Speaker 1: tight regulation off of my head? How about that for

511
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Speaker 1: an intro? Scott, Scott, how are you doing? This is

512
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: the small medium? I need a mediums. You're next on

513
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Speaker 1: the show. First, Uh, I had a comment I was

514
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 1: going to make in regards to the caller and prior regimes.

515
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: You could make the same statement about every coaching regime

516
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: there is or general management combination, because despite what Jerry

517
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: Reese or Mark Russ did, they still brought a Super

518
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: Bowl to the to the Giants. And if you look

519
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: at Dave Gentleman's year, his first years, he made some

520
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: mistakes and holding onto Eric Flowers or bringing in Patrick

521
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: omam Ay or no, that's wrong, that's wrong. He got

522
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Speaker 1: rid of the mom a mid season and he got

523
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Speaker 1: rid of Flowers. And my point being is it's I

524
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: think it's a little unfair to keep bashing prior regimes

525
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: and and and not take into account that they did

526
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Speaker 1: draft some very good players as well, and even if

527
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Speaker 1: it failed, which it did at the end, there were

528
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: other extenuating circumstances as to why those nobody was nobody

529
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: was bashing them. The caller asked for some characteristics of

530
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Speaker 1: about why things went sour, and those women facts. I'm

531
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Speaker 1: not I'm not bashing him, and and honestly, you must understand,

532
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman made a ton of moves to try to

533
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Speaker 1: clean up a mess. And as soon as he figured

534
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: out that those moves weren't working. What did he do?

535
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: He got rid of those guys. Now now you can't

536
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: no matter Paul, thinking they were going to work, right,

537
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: But here, yeah it does. The important thing is don't

538
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: compound an error by allowing that mistake to linger on

539
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 1: and make things worse. Yeah, I agree, I think they

540
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: probably did that. But again I just, uh, it makes

541
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: me feel uncomfortable. And everybody's saying this didn't work, but

542
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: yet you had the Super Bowl as a result of

543
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: that regime of picking draft choices, etcetera, etcetera. But that

544
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: wasn't my main focus. Uh, my main focus. Actually, my

545
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: main question really has to do with extolling the virtues

546
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Speaker 1: of the draft choices and so forth before they actually

547
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Speaker 1: hit the field. And I wanted to take one sample,

548
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: for example, one guy that I have a lot of

549
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: faith in and you, I know you do as well,

550
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: Paul is oceans MS and if you look at his

551
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: statistics in college, they were excellent. But do we put

552
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: undue pressure on these players because we really don't have

553
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,719
Speaker 1: an edge rusher per se other than Marcus gold and

554
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden only had two and a half sacks last year,

555
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: so we're putting a lot of pressure on a guy

556
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: who came from a small college and didn't face the

557
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: kind of competition. That's a that's the Lauren's face. Does

558
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: that put too much pressure on the player before he's

559
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: even taken in the field, because in the NFL, obviously

560
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: you're going at warp speed and it's a whole different

561
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: ball game as the Jeff you already know. So the

562
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: real key is by uh, do we have the natural

563
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: tendency to say this guy is going to be a

564
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: great store before even since the field? And has that

565
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: put too much pressure on him to perform rather than

566
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Speaker 1: let him work into a system. Well, I'll answer this

567
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm quite frankly a little bit hired of

568
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: all the this millennial crap that goes along here with everybody,

569
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: oh so much pressure to play the game. You know what,

570
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: you're drafted in the third round, you're expected to play

571
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: well and so you know in the way that things work. Yeah,

572
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: that's what That's what the NFL is all about. It's

573
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Speaker 1: all about pressure and being able to understand how to

574
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Speaker 1: to play under the pressure and do good. And then

575
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: you know what, if you if you can play that way,

576
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: then that's good. If you can't, then there, you're not

577
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: gonna be able to play in the league. They're just

578
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: banking on it. So they are putting a lot of

579
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: pressure on the kid. But you've got to be able

580
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: to take it, and you gotta go out there and play.

581
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Speaker 1: And they just look at the intangibles, they look at

582
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Speaker 1: the measurables, and they feel like this guy is going

583
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Speaker 1: to be this is it. The X man is going

584
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: to be able to play and he'll be a situational

585
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: rusher the first year. And I think that he'll be fine. Right.

586
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Speaker 1: And there was a famous saying that Billy jing King

587
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: the tennis players said that passion is a privilege. Uh,

588
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: and it really is sure if you can if you

589
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: can embrace it, you can play well. So I just

590
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: was curious with all the rookies, in other words, do

591
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: they feel it in training camp? In other words, they say, well,

592
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: there's the giants didn't perform well and they're relying on

593
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: us to do it. Do they put that on themselves,

594
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: to the coaches put that on them or do they

595
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: just embrace and say this is part of the NFL

596
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: now as they move forward. I will tell you for

597
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: a fact, the coaches put it on them because they

598
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: want to see they want to see how these young

599
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: kids react to that type of pressure and if they're

600
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: going to be able to handle it going forward. And

601
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: then there's a little bit of tweaking there in there,

602
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: because not everybody's the same, you know, Paul and I

603
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: react differently to if somebody's gonna yell at me or him. Okay,

604
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: I mean is Paul is probably you know better than me,

605
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: somebody yells I. I do not like conflicts, so I

606
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: always just abide by the rules, did my job, and

607
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: I don't want anybody yelling at me, okay. And if

608
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: somebody did yell at me, then I like, oh crap,

609
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: oh my god. Okay, So I just stayed away from that.

610
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: That's because you're my friend now looking over here, and

611
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: you yell at this guy, He's gonna think that you're

612
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: threatening them, and it's gonna get into a little bit

613
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: of a problem. We gotta break up the clubs in

614
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: the baseball bats. Okay. My last question is really a

615
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: one that it's very early. But if you had to

616
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: pick your starting defensive lineup right now, and I'll take

617
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: this answer off to you, who would be You're starting

618
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: o Levin as it stands right now, and I know

619
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Speaker 1: this will change. I kind of have an idea of

620
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: what's going to happen on offense, but on defense, I'm

621
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: a little unclear. So I thought maybe if either of

622
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: you know or have in your heart what you think

623
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Speaker 1: the starting lineup is going to look like? Uh, come, uh,

624
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: first game in the season, what do you think? Who

625
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: are those players? And thanks guys, welcome, Okay, very good.

626
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Speaker 1: I'll give you a chance to look. Don't I don't

627
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: want to look at it. Oh I thought you'd want

628
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: to look at it. Roster. No, I I don't want

629
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: to look yet. I think I can pick. I was

630
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: just gonna help you out. No, it's okay. I and

631
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: my front three is gonna be Dexter Lawrence, and it's

632
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: gonna be Toom Wilson, and it's gonna be b J Hill. Okay, alright.

633
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: My linebackers are gonna be Um Goodson and Olga Tree,

634
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: and then it's gonna be Marcus Golden and it's going

635
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: to be Um Lorenzo Carter. And then on the backside

636
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: is gonna be your two safeties. It's gonna be Bethea

637
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Speaker 1: and Jabrill Peppers and then the corner is gonna be Jenkins,

638
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: and on the other side it's gonna be uh DeAndre

639
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: Baker and mixed in with Beal in there somewhere the

640
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: slot corner could be Um Julian Love or one of

641
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: the other guys in there too, Frank Haley, Maybe we'll see.

642
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: To me, it's almost an important How good? How close

643
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: am I? Oh? I think that's really good? But you see,

644
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: to me, starters is kind of a miss snowmore because

645
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: of the sub package that that they play sixty of

646
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: the time. Does it really matter who the starters are? No,

647
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't, but you got it on paper. It has

648
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: to be a starter. I be somewhere. I know an

649
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: agents like to qualify that when they go in for

650
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: the start games. He started, he was a starter, which,

651
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: by the way, I I started every game in my career.

652
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: But I wasn't a starter, right, exactly true. I was

653
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: not a starter. That's according to the game book. You're

654
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: not a I know, which is so wrong. Oh well,

655
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: who cares? I don't care. I know I played every game.

656
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: I know I started everything. Anybody ever take a punt

657
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: away from you when you were on Yeah? Yeah, because

658
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: I got knocked out of the game. I pointed that game, well,

659
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: I remember you pointed that pointed after that game, I

660
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: pointed after the incident to remember that that was before

661
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: the concussion protocol where there's somebody there's something wrong with

662
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: that guy down? So what what? Who? Who? Coo? Was

663
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: we did? We? We had a kicker one time had

664
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: a punt. No no, we had a punter that had

665
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: to kick that too. That that was me. But there

666
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: was also another time, not before you, it was before you,

667
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: where we had to have a kicker punt no no.

668
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: Matt Bryant got hurt in the Dolphins game one year

669
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: and I had to kick for him. I remember that.

670
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: And then in Philly when I was we were playing

671
00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills in in um in Buffalo, Steve Tasker

672
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: knocked me out on a block kick. He just he

673
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: hit me. I was like a missile, head on the turf,

674
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: cold game out and Randall Cunningham finished the game. Yeah,

675
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 1: concussion who Randall Cunningham could kick? Randall Cunningham. I used

676
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 1: to tell him when you please stop because he loved

677
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: the punt. And by the way, he was double jointed

678
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: in his right leg. His leg would go back so

679
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: far his hip, and he was an All American at

680
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: UNLV and he would kick during practice and I would

681
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: tell him, you need to stop this, please go play quarterback.

682
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: Get away from me to pass, and I like the pass,

683
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: but I let me tell you something. I wasn't as

684
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: good a passer as Randall Cunningham, and he might have

685
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: been a better punter than I was. So I was like,

686
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: get away. You know, he was so talented, man was

687
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: he just? And he just looks so graceful doing it

688
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 1: because that lady used to come all the way back.

689
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: And but he was what I what I called a

690
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: boomer as a punch of course, he's just yeah, no question.

691
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: And you know he had the ninety I think it

692
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: was a nine. He's something, you're kicking the Medlands third

693
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: down quick kick and and it must have rolled about,

694
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: it rolled over it was Dave Meggett was the returner,

695
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: and it went over his head. It rolled all the

696
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: way down to it must have been like the two

697
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: yard line. And then yeah, he got a nineties something

698
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: yard punted quick kick, third down. Ridiculous. I wasn't in

699
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: that game. That was the year before I got there,

700
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, pretty pretty amazing. So anyways to one

701
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: four five one three, um two. There was a point

702
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 1: that that Scott had made. I wanted to finish off,

703
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 1: and I guess I'm forgetful of it. Timothy Alan Jerrock

704
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: just wants to mention. He thinks you were mentioning Will

705
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: Hernandez going to Utah, but he reminds everybody that it

706
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: was you tap. Is that who you were referring to? Yes,

707
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: I apologize you did. You're referring to. Yeah, I think

708
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: you're referring to. I was sitting here trying to think

709
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: you were referring to Utah, and then I thought to myself,

710
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 1: you probably meant Boise State. No, it was you tap exactly.

711
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: All right, Well, thank you to catch that. Very good,

712
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 1: very good, all right. And also what Jimmy who says,

713
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: listen to yesterday's show and says, it's a small community

714
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: of folks who can get pumped up over the impending

715
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: competition at center, but he loves it. We were discussing

716
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: the fact that Spencer Pulley and uh and p O

717
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: John Hallapeo are ticketed. According to offensive line coach how Hunter,

718
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: for a tremendous battle at the starting center position. He said,

719
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: both guys are going to absolutely positively get reps with

720
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: the first team because it wouldn't be fair to their

721
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: fight if one guy got more first team reps than

722
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: the other. Who's your starter. I'm a Pulley guy. I

723
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: think the team like Halapeo until they got hurt. There's

724
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: no question. I don't think that. I don't think there's

725
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: any question. But did you know that Pully put on

726
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: ten a fifteen pounds? He bulked up. No, he's up

727
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: to like three ten now, and it's all up here.

728
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: I can't even similate that, because I hope at getting

729
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: bigger makes you slower. You don't want to be you

730
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: want to be able to play. I'm just I Look,

731
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I've seen evidence of pulice tape in

732
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: a Giant uniform, and it was good whole second half

733
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: of the season. It was good. Unfortunately for Po, his

734
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: sample size as a Giant center is very very small. Well,

735
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: Po's tape is good, I mean police tape is good.

736
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: It is gonna be a good battle. And and as

737
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: al Hunter said to me, the guy who doesn't win

738
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: is for sure next up as the inside swing guy.

739
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: So so it's still good. News. So where's the other real,

740
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: real competition gonna be right tackle? Right, there's gonna be

741
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: a big competition for the right tackle spot in terms

742
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: of the starter. Plus there's gonna be one for who's

743
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: number three. I mean, let's say two tackles wind up

744
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: winning jobs. Somebody oust's Chad Wheeler and beats him out

745
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 1: at the starting right tackle, and maybe somebody else comes

746
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: in and beats him out as the number three. We

747
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that yet, it's possible. And

748
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: quite honestly, who's gonna be the other backup? Blindman? Because

749
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: you know, Jeff, they'll keep at least eight, probably nine.

750
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: You start with five, you got four backups, Okay, So

751
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: the loser of the center spot gets one. Okay. The

752
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: third tackle is gonna be another, and they're gonna be

753
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: two other guys. They're gonna be inactive all year. But

754
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: but who are those guys going to be? Can I

755
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: throw a name at you one of them? Not even here,

756
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw a name at you. Nick Gates, Nebraska

757
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: lineman who last year was on the practice squad. He

758
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: has some size and some real fight to him. He

759
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: was a tackle at Nebraska and when I watched this tape.

760
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: I said to myself, he's absolutely a guard. Doesn't have

761
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: the foot quickness to be on the outside, but he

762
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: is ferocious and he fights to the end of the whistle.

763
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: He's got a motor and they kept him on practice

764
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: squad last year for a reason. And I just think

765
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: that developmentally he needed to mature his body and get

766
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: his strength going a little bit better. I think he's

767
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: a dark horse to sneak onto that fifty three is

768
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: one of the backup guards. Okay, yeah, I mean listen

769
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: that he's probably one of those guys that would just

770
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: you know, may not get a jersey every week, but

771
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: you'll be on the active roster and and continue to

772
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: compete and learn. Oh I got one more to finish

773
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: off the throne from the caller, and then we'll go

774
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: back to the phones again. Um as we also try

775
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: to scan Twitter for you. The the mentioned by Scott

776
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: about too much pressure on on for example, the X

777
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,959
Speaker 1: man to try to come in and get sacks. Look,

778
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: here's the problem. When you're trying to retool on the

779
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 1: fly like the giants are, and you're going to get

780
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: younger and more salary cap friendly, you're gonna need some

781
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: guys to hit immediately. In two thousand seven, that rookie

782
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: class was sensa. They all hit right away. Aaron Ross,

783
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: you know you had, Corey Webster. How about a my Bradshaw. Okay,

784
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about hit, that's a hit.

785
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: That's a sixth round hit, you know. Steve Smith? Yeah, hello,

786
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: you know some really good hits. So here's the thing

787
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bet you, and I've said this before the show,

788
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say it with you here to Jeff.

789
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: I think the Giants get significant contributions out of at

790
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: least six rookies this year. I really believe that, and

791
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm including Beale amongst that six. I think they can

792
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: do that. And if they get that kind of contribution

793
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: out of six rookies, this team is going to be

794
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: markedly improved. And that's what it's gonna take. I see,

795
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 1: I see all. I see two through six picks actively contributing. Okay, okay,

796
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: and then you got your you got Darius Slayton, Corey Ballentine,

797
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 1: uh big big George, right, and then Slayton. Of those guys,

798
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: I feel Corey Valentine will probably be the one guy

799
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: in there that would contribute to that would make six okay,

800
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,959
Speaker 1: And you're gonna include Bale or not include I didn't.

801
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: So you got six, I got Valentine, I got love

802
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: um More, Shane x Men, Baker and Laurence so one two, three, four,

803
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: b O five, Ryan Connolly six and Corey Valentine possibly seven.

804
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: You could go with high se go with high seven.

805
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: Now what does that mean? Okay? So I would say

806
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: the contributing meeting. These guys are getting a jersey on

807
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: Sunday and they're playing in the game, whether it's special

808
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: teams or they're they're playing. I mean, obviously Dexter, Lawrence Baker,

809
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: um um Zeminez. I'm not just saying they player they're

810
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: playing in games. I'm saying they will contribute plays that

811
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: will help the team win. You're going with six guys,

812
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: I'm going with six. I would say about I would

813
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: say four. I would say okay, Okay. Anyway, if the

814
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: Giants and I do think this will be their best

815
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: rookie class since two thousand seven, and it better be

816
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: if they're going to be a contender for a winning rep. Okay,

817
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: so let's they're gonna have to be If you look

818
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: at the draft class. Last year, you had at least

819
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: you had the top three guys were contributors. Okay, you

820
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: had Hernandez, Okay, b J. Hill, Okay, there's three, so

821
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna gave you significant contributions. They also got a

822
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: significant contribution out of grand Hilly, who wound up in

823
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: the second half of the season being the starting slot.

824
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: So that's four. Okay, alright, so this year you got four.

825
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: Four last year, I'm saying six this year. Very good,

826
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: very good. All right, who who's your guy on this

827
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: on this on this draft roster? If you will that

828
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: you are, you're gonna say is gonna have an outstanding

829
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: season and you're gonna be like, we knew this kid

830
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 1: was going to be a player, and look what he did.

831
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: Oh it's it's very hard for me not to believe

832
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: that Baker and Lawrence, both the two first round draft picks,

833
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: are going to be not best. I mean again we're

834
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: using that word starters. They're gonna play a ton and

835
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: they're gonna put up a lot of stats. I think

836
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence and I think this is a really I mean,

837
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: you look at that front three positions and you've got

838
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: guys that that the p J Hill last year. Okay, yeah,

839
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 1: even though he got a lot of sacks in one game,

840
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: he still was a pretty He made a significant contribution.

841
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: As the season win along, he got a lot better.

842
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: He's only gonna get better this season. So that that first,

843
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: those three defensive lineman, those are some pretty good guys.

844
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: Thomason is still learning, but he's still you know, a

845
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: pretty good, pretty pretty good defensive lineman. So Lawrence, I'm

846
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: I'm excited of all these guys, I'm excited to see

847
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence play football. I'll have this to you too.

848
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: The real X factor, the guy who could really push

849
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: this class over the top during the two thousand nineteen season,

850
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: is O'Shane Zimmanez. Because if the X man should just

851
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: absolutely busted out as a rookie and let's say come

852
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: up with nine or ten sacks, and I think that's

853
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: a lot to ask. You want to talk about putting

854
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: pressure on a kid, Scott, that's a lot of pressure, Okay,

855
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: I mean I think getting getting six would be a

856
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: real nice, realistic number for him. But if he if

857
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: he busts out and let's say it gets nine or

858
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: ten that's gonna make a huge impact on this rookie

859
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: class if he should somehow do that. And I look,

860
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: even Lawrence Taylor did not have ten sacks as a rookie. Okay, Well,

861
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: I think that's asking an awful lot. I'm not going

862
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: to ask you. Let's just say that he does get six.

863
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: Six would be a very very rookie. And then you

864
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: know you talked about coming into this draft and where

865
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: are you gonna find your edge rushers, Well you found

866
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: one there. If the kid can get six sacks, okay,

867
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: because you're hoping that the Lorenzo Carter and Marcus Golden

868
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: and some of the interior linement can pick up the slack.

869
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: I mean, the Giants did not have a lot of

870
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: sacks last season, as we know. They gotta build upon that,

871
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 1: they really do, because listen, bottom relying with this defense

872
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: is that this defense was handed the game to them

873
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: many times last year and they couldn't get after the

874
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: quarterback four games, Okay, they were five and eleven, right four,

875
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: they win four of those other games. They're they're right

876
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: in there. They're running at the get things anyway. All right,

877
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: let's go to line to Mike's from Hello, Mike town,

878
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: Long Island. Hello, You're next on the show. Great, how

879
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,479
Speaker 1: are you? I just want to talk about a couple

880
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: of things. UM. First thing, uh, Paul, after we finished

881
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: the conversation, I'd like you to tell all the fans

882
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: about running back that was pretty tough guy, a guy

883
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 1: named Doug co talk. Oh my goodness, Nut, But talk

884
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: about that later. I want to just remind you, Paul

885
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 1: on one thing. Right before the draft, I I had

886
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: called and I hope you remember this conversation. Uh. I

887
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: had watched Daniel Jones is pro day and I said,

888
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm totally confused. This guy looks like the real thing

889
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: to me. And UH, I'm sure is right, wasn't I Well,

890
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: we will find out over the course of the next

891
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: several years. Uh. It's easy to have a knee jerk

892
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: reaction to any pick because we at the college film

893
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: and we have perceptions, and we have projections, and we

894
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: have expectations. Uh. I agreed with you that my two

895
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: favorite quarterbacks in this draft were Daniel Jones and Jared Stidham.

896
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: I've made that very clear. I thought Stidham could be

897
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: a third round sleeper for somebody. By the way, Belichick

898
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: got him in the fourth round, which just goes to

899
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: show you that obviously somebody else thought something real good

900
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 1: about him too. Are you comparing yourself to Belichick? No, No,

901
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm just saying somebody really did their homework on that kid,

902
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: because that awful quarterback is good, he's good. Well, you

903
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: know what, who else did their homework when they were

904
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: watching the Giants were watching that kid, they saw something

905
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: in the receiver that they got to. Yeah, right anyway,

906
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: But but but you're you're you're correct. I mean Daniel

907
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: Jared Slayton, excuse me, Daniel Jones to me would have

908
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: been my favorite quarterback prospect. I just didn't have them

909
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: in the first round. But that's okay, right right. And

910
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: just just one other thing I wanted to just mention.

911
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: I was watching the Big Blue View and they had

912
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: cut ups of Daniel Jones game against Clemson. Okay, now,

913
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,959
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you. You know Clemson, you know they're

914
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: wonderful team. This guy, Daniel Jones was just amazing and

915
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 1: a losing effort. He was running all over the place passing.

916
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 1: His passing was very very good. He had no time

917
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: to throw. It reminded me of Eli Manning. Uh you

918
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: know a couple of years ago where he didn't have

919
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: two seconds to throw the ball and uh, you know,

920
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: and he was great at the line of scrimmage. He

921
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: was looking and uh looking one way and throwing another way.

922
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: He did a wonderful job. I don't understand why all

923
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: these media folks thinks he's such a you know, ah,

924
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: a low level talent. It's just it's just disgraceful how

925
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: they beat this guy up because, you know what, they

926
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: were all wrong. They were all wrong in their picks.

927
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: That's why they got mad at the organization for drafting

928
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: somebody they wanted. It's like, you know, I mean, listen,

929
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: there were guys around they had mock draft Dan and

930
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: Jones going to the Giants. So it's not a complete

931
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: surprise that this happened. But the media likes to beat

932
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: up on it because that's the media, that's what they

933
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: want to do. Remember, they all screamed for months that

934
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: it had to be Haskins. So in the last week

935
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 1: leading up to the draft, a bunch of them started

936
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: to change and said, oh, oh, we gotta back off

937
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: of this. We'll start throwing Daniel Jones's name out of

938
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 1: this because we don't want to look really stupid. Well, okay,

939
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: but here's the problem. For three and a half months,

940
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: you looked really stupid because you kept screaming for Haskins.

941
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: And now and now they're angry that you know they

942
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: were in fact made to look foolish. Right. Uh. One

943
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: thing before you talk about cot um, can you imagine

944
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: Haskins in front of the New York media, Well, I

945
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: think that I can't. Yeah, we'll see how he handles

946
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: the DC media, which is nothing like the New York media.

947
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: And that's part of the reason why he's not a

948
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: good face, no question in my mind. And I heard somebody,

949
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: Dave Bandleman said it if you go back and listen

950
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: to some of his press conferences, a lot more that

951
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: goes into playing quarterback in New York than just being

952
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: talented on the field. There you go, There you go.

953
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: You're welcome, Happy weekend, all right, Doug Koder and I

954
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: just looked up his height and weight because I wanted

955
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 1: to be very specific to give people an idea. He's

956
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: listed at five eleven pounds. Now two oh five might

957
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: have been soaking wet, all right. Kuda Quoda was a

958
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: terrific heart. The size of a lion. Number forty four

959
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: came to the Giants the last year that they were

960
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: up at the Yell Bowl. Okay, and he was a

961
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: pass catching halfback, would have been a sensational third down back. Okay.

962
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: But he didn't have blazing speed, you know. He was

963
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: more on the smallest side. He wasn't big enough to

964
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: be a power whor a power runner. He wasn't big

965
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: enough to be a workhorse back. He wasn't big enough

966
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: to be a fullback. And he wasn't quick enough to

967
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: be a scat back. Okay, But here was the thing, Jeff.

968
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: He had tremendous instincts, He had tremendous heart. He had

969
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: the softest hands like shaman bathroom tissue, okay, catching the

970
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: ball out of the backfield, and and and the Giants

971
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: were not good the offensive line. To say they were

972
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: Swiss cheese is being kind. And during those five or

973
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: six years that Cold had played, he would give them

974
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: everything that he had and would get the living stuffing

975
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: beat out of him like a teddy bear week after

976
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: week after week after week. And to understand his size,

977
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: you knew that he was just taking a brutal pounding,

978
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: and it was like, how is he gonna be able

979
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: to pick himself up off the ground and play next Sunday?

980
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: But he did it every single time. A lot of

981
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: guys did it back then. That's just the way you were,

982
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: That's that's how you played football back in those days.

983
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: He was what you call a football plane. You would

984
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: have loved him, the old school guy, okay, and and

985
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: of course blood and guts guy, a giant in every

986
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: sense of the word. And then he wound up falling

987
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: to cancer, and and it's a it was a tragic

988
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: end to a story. And every one of his teammates

989
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: was absolutely crushed because he was a coach's favorite, he

990
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: was a fan favorite, he was a teammate favorite. Doug

991
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: Coder every time I even talk about him, I'll be

992
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: honest with you, I get like a little bit chilly

993
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: about it because what a what a giant? What a giant?

994
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: And then the stats aren't you know, Gordie, But he

995
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: gave what you want, a giant, gave to do, gave

996
00:52:53,680 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: you everything and more, you know, everything and more. Anyway,

997
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate you for bringing him up because you know,

998
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 1: he to me's a giant legend and doesn't get put

999
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: in that category too often, especially because a lot of

1000
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: young people don't remember him. Anyway, we go back to

1001
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: the phones. Charlie from Portland, Maine. You're up on the show. Hey, Charlie, Hey, Paul, Hey, Jeff, Hello,

1002
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 1: Charlie good tell are you my man? Good? Hey? Don't

1003
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: forget Hagar, the center that we picked up from Buffalo.

1004
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be surprised if he sticks on the team, Um,

1005
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: because I think he's he was a wrestling champion. Um.

1006
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: You mean o'hagen that could actually compete in to me,

1007
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: how apo you know he's played center, He's probably had

1008
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: what snaps at center or thirty. I'd rather go with

1009
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 1: somebody who has had a center experience, Charlie, James O'Hagan

1010
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: is is six pounds, by the way, just to give

1011
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: you the the the physical numbers on him. And this

1012
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: is a guy who you know, was a track and

1013
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: field shot putter, as you mentioned, and has very very

1014
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: little experience. It's it's very limited to me. You know.

1015
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: The way it was described by offensive line coach Hal

1016
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: Hunter during the media vails the other day is that

1017
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't have just a hundred miles to get coached up.

1018
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: He's got three hundred miles to get coached on. I'm

1019
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: not talking about that guy, Paul. I'm talking about the

1020
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: center from Buffalo. He was a three year starter and

1021
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: he had a whole bunch of starts playing center. You're

1022
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 1: not talking about o'hagen. No, no, I'm not talking about

1023
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: the the guy, the shot guy who hadn't played uh

1024
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: football and about three years. Who's that day? Drugs? You're

1025
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: talking about Drugsma, No, no, I'm talking about I'm talking

1026
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: about the center from Buffalo. But he had a lot

1027
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: of experience drugs. Was the shot putter? Oh I had

1028
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: to I'm sorry Davis telling me I had the wrong name.

1029
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: Look for I'm not gonna lie to you. He might.

1030
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 1: He might have six six months. Nine guys on this

1031
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: roster right now. It's easy to get a tag. And besides,

1032
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm old, God bless you, Charlie, because I still don't

1033
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,439
Speaker 1: know not not all nine of them are offensive lineman either.

1034
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: But that's true, much to your chagrin. Alright, Charlie, go ahead,

1035
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 1: I got another caller, So go ahead, tell me. Tell

1036
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: me a little bit about We got this Ryan Ryan Anderson. Yeah,

1037
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: he's from Rutgers. But we also got sky pilot. Well,

1038
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 1: they're both gonna be camp guys, you know that. I mean,

1039
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: there's there's no way they're gonna beat these other to

1040
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: hear you guys out, and they're just here to to

1041
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 1: compete against the guys that are here for camp legs

1042
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: as we call them. And they're gonna, you know, they're

1043
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: opportunities to come in and get a little bit of

1044
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: tape and get into some preseason games and take a

1045
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: little of the load off of the of Aldrich and

1046
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,439
Speaker 1: and uh Riley and if things work out well for them,

1047
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: they'll be on the shortlist should the Giant need to

1048
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: make a call. Yeah, that's right, and you have a

1049
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: good weekend. Thank you. It was kind of cool though,

1050
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: I mean, those guys did get signed off of the

1051
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: off the tryout camp, which was pretty nice. What do

1052
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: you know about Anderson? Is he a distance guy, hang

1053
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: time guy, directional guy? Do you know? Um? Directional directional guy.

1054
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Speaker 1: And he was out of football all of last season. Um,

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Speaker 1: so you know it took a year to get into

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Speaker 1: the league, so to speak. And you know, good for him. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's all I know about him. All right. We go

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Speaker 1: to line one and Woody You're next on Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kick Off Live, in fact, our last caller of the day.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, sir, Hey, well I have to I have

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Speaker 1: to follow, Charlie. I'm sorry, unfortunately, the good news atually

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Speaker 1: somebody does every day. At least you got in Go ahead.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to kind of talk about, you know,

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Speaker 1: Getleman's draft picks, and it looks to me everybody's looking

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Speaker 1: for talent, obviously, but he seems to have picked people

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Speaker 1: when high character, a lot of versatility and leadership quality,

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00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,720
Speaker 1: pretty good traits. Five out of the ten draft picks

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Speaker 1: were team captains in college. Good. You need it. You

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Speaker 1: need it because you know, if you were listening to

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Speaker 1: our show, if you were listening to our show earlier,

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Speaker 1: UM talk about these people and they get a lot

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Speaker 1: of insight and these excite coming up when they're talking

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Speaker 1: about them. Even yeah, I mean listen, if you listen.

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Speaker 1: Earlier in the show, we had a caller ask us

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Speaker 1: about the locker room and basically the culture and things

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00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: that happened in the locker room. And when you go

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Speaker 1: through a draft and you get five captains out of

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Speaker 1: ten of your draft picks, what does that tell you

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Speaker 1: that Dave Gentleman is trying to do. He's trying to

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Speaker 1: build the locker room through character and good guys and

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Speaker 1: aren't going to undermine the organization when things start to

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Speaker 1: go wrong. Do you want the leaders to rise up

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Speaker 1: and lead by example and lead to the teams as

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00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: if you are getting a losing streak, you gotta get

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00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: back on it, you gotta get excuse me, get back

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Speaker 1: off that that locy tri can get back into winning.

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Speaker 1: And it takes winners in the locker room with guys

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Speaker 1: with high character. And that's what he's doing. I applaud

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Speaker 1: him for that, because you know what they were. They

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Speaker 1: were captains for a reason, would he they were? They're

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Speaker 1: voted most likely by their by their teammates, and that

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Speaker 1: means a lot. Well, that's why I have a lot

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Speaker 1: of faith in Mr Getleman, as some people may not,

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00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: but I do well a lot of people do not

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Speaker 1: at this point. But you know what, why don't we

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00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: give the guy a chance and let let his second

1097
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: draft kind of come to fruition and see what happens here.

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Speaker 1: He's got a lot of them. I didn't think that

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Speaker 1: they would get ten, but they did. They had twelve

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Speaker 1: to start off. With and they ended good in ten.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about eight or nine, but excuse me,

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Speaker 1: I thought nine was going to be the max. I

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Speaker 1: thought they were going to try to deal some. In

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Speaker 1: fact they did, uh, and they even tried to do

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Speaker 1: another deal, but they wound up just taking and the

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Speaker 1: ones that they did deal. They went up and got

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Baker, which was really good. Yes, so that was

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Speaker 1: a good move. I thought, the craftiest move that Gettleman

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Speaker 1: made in the draft. Yeah, what else you got? What

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Speaker 1: do anything else? I got a couple of hot molly

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00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: for you. How about Gregson and Van Horn? Oh, my goodness.

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Speaker 1: Greg greg Lawson actually comes from the uh the early

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Speaker 1: sixties days when Alie Sherman was there. Uh Larson played

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Speaker 1: garden center for the Giants and he and he went

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Speaker 1: from the tittle era all the way to the talking

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Speaker 1: to error the Norm Sneiderer. Actually, Laury Lawson played a

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Speaker 1: long time. His brother was on the Minnesota Vikings uh

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Speaker 1: and he was alignment as well. Uh. Doug van Horne

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00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: of course, UH, you know one of the long time

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Speaker 1: guys who bridged the late to mid sixties into the

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Speaker 1: mid seventies, an offensive lineman who was another scrappy guy,

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Speaker 1: always overmatched physically, never the biggest guy, never the strongest guy,

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Speaker 1: never the most athletic guy. But he was like Brad

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Speaker 1: Benson before there was Brad Benson, just a blue collar

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Speaker 1: scrapper who would just get in there like a junkyard

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Speaker 1: dog and give you everything had. So I love when

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Speaker 1: you guys bring up these names. These guys are great,

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Speaker 1: great memories to a giant's storian like me. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: started watching back Tucker Fredericks and Homer Jones and sure,

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Speaker 1: and it's funny too because Gary Lawson, who was the

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Speaker 1: brother of Greg and was the Vikings defensive lineman. The

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Speaker 1: funny part about it is, you know a lot of

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Speaker 1: people knew him because he was Purple people leaders with

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Speaker 1: the Vikings, and obviously the Vikings were very good in

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Speaker 1: those days. And I never thought that Greg Lawson got

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Speaker 1: enough credit. I think he wound up going to two

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Speaker 1: or three Pro Bowls as I'm not if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 1: um a guard slash center and and I you know, look,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. In that era, there

1140
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: were not a lot of great seasons to cheer about.

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01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: You know, the two winning seasons in seventy and seventy

1142
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: two were really all the Giants had. Other than that,

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01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: they went through that seventeen years of non playoff seasons

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Speaker 1: with only two winning years. It was difficult. Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: all I got for today. Thanks a weekend, Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much. All Right, before we go, we do have

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Speaker 1: e the Chosen One has a comment here. Jaffe says, uh,

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Speaker 1: I guess somebody called easy must have messaged him, so

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Speaker 1: he wanted to message us. He says, they're calling this

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Speaker 1: pick the most controversial in draft history. That would be

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Speaker 1: the one for Daniel Jones at number six. He says,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but this is what carries

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Speaker 1: when you have a generational defensive player passed for a developmental,

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01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: possible future quarterback and look they get. Himan himself said

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01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: passing on Josh Allen was very difficult to do. Right

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Speaker 1: with the a generational player, I don't know, but he

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Speaker 1: could be. We'll find out a lot of people seem

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01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: to think he's gonna be like Leonard Floyd the Bears.

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Speaker 1: He'll be a very potent pass rusher, but that's not

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Speaker 1: quite to the generational level. When I think generational player

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Speaker 1: and I'm not even going to talk about number fifty

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Speaker 1: six because he's above everybody. But when I talk generational player,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's it's a guy that doesn't

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Speaker 1: come around very often. Lt is once in a lifetime.

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Speaker 1: It's not just very often. It's it's not gonna I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna go there. But you know, Karl Banks was

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Speaker 1: a generational player. They say as a generational player, they

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Speaker 1: mean he guy you look at them. Mean, there's not

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Speaker 1: many guys that come out of the draft like him.

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Speaker 1: Seth Joyner was was that kind of player, right, he

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Speaker 1: was really good. I don't know if he was a

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Speaker 1: generation player. I'm trying to think that, all right, who's

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Speaker 1: a level down from Lawrence? Because Lawrence stands by himself.

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Speaker 1: How about Kevin Green? Kevin Green? What about offensively? What

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Speaker 1: about Grenkowski? I mean, the Gronk is a generational, generational player.

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Speaker 1: And there are people who are you about him being

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer or not believe it or not.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't really care about the Hall of

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01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: Fame anymore because I think it's just a joke. But

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Speaker 1: the fact is that he is a heck of a

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Speaker 1: football player, and he, you know, a Hall of famer

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01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: to me, is a guy that can change the game.

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01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: He changed the game. Gronkowski changed the game from the

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01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: tight end position, and he not only physically but schematically.

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01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: I mean, look at what that offense, if for New

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01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: England does with him and what he does without him.

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Speaker 1: There you go. Well, guys like Junior say Allen ray

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Speaker 1: lewis what generational players, but they didn't change the game.

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01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor changed the game. That's where makes him totally different.

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Speaker 1: But he wasn't a generational player. He was a once

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Speaker 1: in a lifetime correct correct. That takes him out of

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Speaker 1: the generation, takes it to another whole level. And I

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01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: know Bill Belichick agrees with me. Yeah yeah, I mean

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01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: are we done. Yeah, we could go on forever with

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Speaker 1: this generational thing. I mean, I know, just trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out who's on that next level down because everybody's

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Speaker 1: under Lawrence Taylor. Prob. A good weekend everyone, He's Jeff

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Speaker 1: Eagles on Paula Tino. You've been watching Big Blue Kickoff

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