WEBVTT - Laura's Emails | BONUS 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, it's Stephanie back with the bonus episode. We talked

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<v Speaker 1>in episode three about the many emails Clayton received from

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<v Speaker 1>Laura Owens during the summer of twenty twenty three. He

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<v Speaker 1>compiled the emails into a Google drive that he calls

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<v Speaker 1>the L File. There was so much more about the

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<v Speaker 1>L file and these emails that we didn't have time

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<v Speaker 1>to get to in episode three, so I sat down

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<v Speaker 1>with Clayton to hear a bit more. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>start with their back and forth about the paternity test.

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<v Speaker 1>Laura claimed that Clayton was refusing to take one. He

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<v Speaker 1>says that wasn't the case, and the emails seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>corroborate his account. In the last episode, we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>the paternity testing and who was paying for it. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole conversation gets messy as the months dragon, but

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<v Speaker 1>I mention that you agreed to pay for the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing yourself, So let's get into that a little bit deeper.

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<v Speaker 1>In the email from Laura to you on June twenty fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>about three weeks after she told you she was pregnant,

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<v Speaker 1>she says, I wanted to let you know that I

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<v Speaker 1>will not be paying for the paternity test. It's of

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<v Speaker 1>no use to me because I know I wasn't physically

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<v Speaker 1>involved with anyone else, and therefore no one else could

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<v Speaker 1>be the father. I promise that if it came back

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<v Speaker 1>any other way, I will fully reimburse you, but trust me,

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<v Speaker 1>it won't. I haven't lied to you yet, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to pay several hundred or one thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>for information that I already have. Okay, So what was

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<v Speaker 1>your response to that email?

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<v Speaker 2>So my response to was I will pay for one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent of it. You have my word. Let this

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<v Speaker 2>message serve as the proof. Just schedule it and let

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<v Speaker 2>me know where you scheduled, and I'll pay.

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<v Speaker 1>Throughout this entire LO file, I don't see one email

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<v Speaker 1>of you refusing to take a paternity test. I know

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<v Speaker 1>you really wanted to take the paternity test based on

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<v Speaker 1>what I was seeing in the emails. So I found

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<v Speaker 1>something in the emails that might explain why Laura said

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<v Speaker 1>you were refusing to take it. Can you read that

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<v Speaker 1>for me?

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<v Speaker 2>So she had sent me an email saying, just confirming

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<v Speaker 2>that you are refusing a paternity test. No answer equals

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<v Speaker 2>refusing it, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's my understanding. And I came to this conclusion

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<v Speaker 1>by reading the emails and you telling me about how

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<v Speaker 1>no response equals a response, that that's what's happening here.

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<v Speaker 1>You weren't responding to her emails, and she was taking

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<v Speaker 1>your lack of response as a no.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's ridiculous in nature, but I mean you've heard,

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<v Speaker 2>even from a societal state ABO when people say silence

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<v Speaker 2>speaks volumes. And I think that's what she was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to lean into, is I know you're reading this because

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<v Speaker 2>I have the mail trackers, and if you're choosing not

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<v Speaker 2>to respond, that is still a response. I obviously didn't

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<v Speaker 2>agree with that. I just didn't want to communicate with her,

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<v Speaker 2>But she was just looking for ways to manipulate and

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<v Speaker 2>gaslight me and eventually the people that were going to

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<v Speaker 2>see these emails and messages.

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<v Speaker 1>You just mentioned something that I want to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned the mail trackers, which we do talk about

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<v Speaker 1>in the episode with the emails. How did you know

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<v Speaker 1>that she had those trackers on?

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually she had told me, but I also just knew

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<v Speaker 2>because whenever I'd opened them and I'd read them, she

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<v Speaker 2>had send over another one right away. But if I

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<v Speaker 2>was ever just busy and I couldn't get around to

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<v Speaker 2>my emails. Then, Yeah, nothing would come through.

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<v Speaker 1>Then she eventually told you that she had a tracker on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she eventually then told me that she had

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<v Speaker 2>the trackers. I'm like, okay, this makes sense to me

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<v Speaker 2>why she continues to send them. I thought I was

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<v Speaker 2>able to trick her by not responding and to thinking

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<v Speaker 2>that like I had her on a block folder and

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't paying attention. Again, what I wanted her to

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<v Speaker 2>believe was that I wasn't looking at these emails. I

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<v Speaker 2>had way better things to do. She had no power

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<v Speaker 2>over me, and eventually she would just give up.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's move on to another one. Here's another email.

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<v Speaker 1>This one's dated July fifth, So this is a a

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<v Speaker 1>month after she told you she was pregnant, but she

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<v Speaker 1>had already hinted to you that she might be pregnant

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<v Speaker 1>with twins. This is the email I had an idea,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think about hanging out tonight and seeing

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<v Speaker 1>if this is something you want to try out for

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks before me make a decision about

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<v Speaker 1>what to do. If either of us decide that we

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to explore something more serious, then at least

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<v Speaker 1>we will know and we will both have clarity, with

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<v Speaker 1>you not responding about the possibility of twins or me

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<v Speaker 1>giving you the chance to make a different decision about

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<v Speaker 1>the abortion pills. Because of that new prospect, things feel unresolved,

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<v Speaker 1>and my anxiety is through the roof. I'm sure yours

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<v Speaker 1>is as well, with my stress levels being where they

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<v Speaker 1>are at now. If the baby or babies are born

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<v Speaker 1>with any issues, I would blame you for not trying

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<v Speaker 1>to help me reduce those by supporting me as you

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<v Speaker 1>said you would. If you just pursued something romantic for

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<v Speaker 1>a night, you have no idea how much it would

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<v Speaker 1>help me emotionally, And I definitely would not blame you

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<v Speaker 1>for any problems the child or children would have. This

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<v Speaker 1>was still pretty early on when I believe you still

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<v Speaker 1>thought that there might be that point zero one percent

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<v Speaker 1>chance that she could actually be pregnant. So how did

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<v Speaker 1>this email make you feel? And were you concerned for

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<v Speaker 1>her mental health at the time?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so of course I was concerned for her mental

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<v Speaker 2>health reading these messages, but I had my guard up

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, there's no way that I can

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<v Speaker 2>explore intimacy. It has to be off the table. I

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<v Speaker 2>can date her, quote unquote for a week and give

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<v Speaker 2>her attention, and at the end of it, I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to say, oh, you know, I just don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to work between us, but we gave it

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<v Speaker 2>a fair go. All right, I guess this is the

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<v Speaker 2>end of it, right, Like, that's essentially where I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to head with it. But she obviously was like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to be intimate if we do do this,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course I wasn't willing to go there.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I'm going to jump into another document that

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<v Speaker 1>I found in the LO file. This one is from

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<v Speaker 1>August thirteenth, so this was just a few days after

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<v Speaker 1>that dating contract that you received. Do you remember getting

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<v Speaker 1>another contract? Like docus meant after the dating contract?

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<v Speaker 2>So many emails came in that maybe she did sandwich

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<v Speaker 2>another contract in there, but I don't recall off the

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<v Speaker 2>top of my head.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, I'm going to read it to you. It

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<v Speaker 1>appears to be sent through DocuSign and the title of

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<v Speaker 1>the document is Agreement between Laura Owens and Clayton Eckered.

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<v Speaker 1>It begins we Laura Owens and Clayton eckerd agreed to

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<v Speaker 1>meet up tonight August thirteenth, twenty twenty three for the

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<v Speaker 1>court mandated good faith consultation. And I'll pause here for

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<v Speaker 1>a second. She's mentioning a good faith consultation because this

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<v Speaker 1>document came through two weeks after she filed in court

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<v Speaker 1>to establish paternity. So a good faith consultation is basically

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<v Speaker 1>like a formal requirement for opposing parties to attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>resolve a dispute that was brought to court, and you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of handle it sincerely, honestly, it's like a good

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<v Speaker 1>faith attempt to resolving it before you seek further intervention

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<v Speaker 1>from the court. Okay, So back to the document. In addition,

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<v Speaker 1>Laura Owens will alert the court to the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>there is no longer a need to take action against

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<v Speaker 1>Clayton Eckered for his refusal to participate in the good

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<v Speaker 1>faith consultation. Laura Owens agrees to take and pay for

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<v Speaker 1>both her and Clayton Eckered to take the prenatal paternity

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<v Speaker 1>test at Revgen to be taken at the earliest possible date,

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<v Speaker 1>and promises not to cancel. Clayton eckerd agrees to unblock

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<v Speaker 1>Laura Owens and not block her again. Now Laura signed

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<v Speaker 1>this document, but I don't see a signature from you

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<v Speaker 1>on that document.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it just wasn't a fair trade off. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I was willing to negotiate with her. I was working

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<v Speaker 2>at every moment to try to find that little common

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<v Speaker 2>ground where she would say, yeah, this could work. But

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<v Speaker 2>as far as this contract went, I'm like, you're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to do what you say you're going to do anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>And no, I don't want to unblock you because it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't accomplish anything. You're just going to send me another

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<v Speaker 2>barrage of emails and text.

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<v Speaker 1>This was another theme I noticed in a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these emails is that she really wanted you to unblock

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<v Speaker 1>her phone number. Now she could still get in touch

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<v Speaker 1>with you via email. It seemed even though you had

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<v Speaker 1>her block, they were still kind of getting through. But

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<v Speaker 1>why do you think that the unblocking of her phone

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<v Speaker 1>number was such a priority for her?

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<v Speaker 2>To me, it's completely stemming from a hert ego. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel that she felt less than if she was blocked. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 2>if I unblocked her, there wasn't as much hostility because

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, Okay, now we have an open chain of communication,

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<v Speaker 2>like two people that respect one another would have. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>who do you block? Typically you block people that are

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<v Speaker 2>individuals that you don't want to talk to, people that

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to have access to your life, people

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<v Speaker 2>that are extremely rude. I mean, you don't block just

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<v Speaker 2>the average person, right, You're blocking people that you do

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<v Speaker 2>not want to have any interactions with. So there's a

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<v Speaker 2>negative connotation around being blocked, and I believe Laura just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to remove that.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of your correspondence with Laura happened almost three

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. Now what has it been like for you

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<v Speaker 1>going back, reading these messages and reliving this time of

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<v Speaker 1>your life.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been very agitating. Anger has been the main emotion

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<v Speaker 2>that I feel a rise whenever I have to reopen

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<v Speaker 2>this box that I've compartmentalized as much as possible because

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<v Speaker 2>I still have a life to live beyond this matter.

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<v Speaker 2>But Laura makes it really hard. I mean she's always

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<v Speaker 2>reopening the box, and so for me, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>still ongoing matter, and I am hoping to have a

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<v Speaker 2>outcome where we can close this completely because it's tiring.

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<v Speaker 2>I am so tired of talking about this, feeling this,

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with this in my eyes, and what I would

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<v Speaker 2>have thought would have occurred, was like this would have

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<v Speaker 2>been done over the course of six months at Max

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<v Speaker 2>and here we are on year three and we're still going.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much for listening. If you want to see

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<v Speaker 1>the emails we mentioned, you can read them for yourself

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<v Speaker 1>at our Instagram at Glass Podcasts, and stay tuned for

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<v Speaker 1>new episodes and bonus episodes on the Love Trapped feed.