1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Oliver Crook now standing by with Senator Elyssa slock In, 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 2: the Democrat from Michigan, has just arrived in Munich as 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 2: part of a codell with some very important topics to discuss. Oliver, 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 2: Thanks for bringing us this conversation over to you. 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: Great. Thanks. 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, we're very pleased to be joined by Alyssa Slockin, 8 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 3: the Democratic Senator from Michigan today joining us from the 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 3: sidelines of the Munich Security Conference. I'd like to talk 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 3: about foreign policy America standing on the global stage. You know, 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 3: I've been here for the last twelve months covering Europe. 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 3: Ever since JD Vance's speech, it has been a conversation 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 3: completely monopolized by the sort of maga foreign policy that 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 3: is the America that Europe has got. There is another America. 15 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 3: You are here as an emissary of that America. What 16 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 3: does that America say to your European partner? 17 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: We I think there's a lot of us who are here, 18 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: certainly from the Senate and the House, to send the 19 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: message that not everyone agrees with the approach that this 20 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: president is taking. Right that my president is taking which 21 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: is kick your allies and the teeth and cozy up 22 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: to your adversaries. 23 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 4: It's the opposite of what many of us were being 24 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 4: where we're taught and how we lived. 25 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, we wanted to send the 26 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: message that the United States is going through something. 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 4: We know it, you all know it. Europeans know what. 28 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 4: Everyone in the world knows that we are having a real. 29 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: Crisis in the United States. And I do believe we're 30 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 1: going to come through it. But in the meantime, it's 31 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: only natural that you question what we're doing, why we're 32 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: doing it, and who it helps. 33 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 3: And so you've had a great deal of meetings already, 34 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 3: you will have a great many more over the next 35 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: couple of days. What are the questions that the Europeans 36 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 3: are at. 37 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: The minute they get you in the room and close 38 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: the door, they're just like, what is going on in America? 39 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 3: Right? 40 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: I mean, sort of not believing in themselves. And I think, again, 41 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: I try to explain it's not that anyone's missing it, 42 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: what is happening and how I think we come out 43 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: of it, which is like I still believe that the 44 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: American public does not want an authoritarian leader. 45 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 4: We don't want a king. 46 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: Our whole country is based on that, and there are 47 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: certain barometers we have for authoritarianism, and we're just we're 48 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: going to come out of it. 49 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 4: It's just going to take a bite. 50 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 3: And on the other side of that fight. You know, 51 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 3: obviously Trump will not be a president forever, even if 52 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 3: for some of the people in this room that they 53 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 3: may feel that way. In what ways do you think 54 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 3: that American stature on the global stage has been permanently damaged? 55 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 3: Because I can tell you that over the last twelve 56 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: months of the Europeans really wanted to take a sort 57 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 3: of optimistic view of kind of how things could materialize. 58 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 3: Then there was the Greenland episode, and it feels that 59 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 3: a sort of moment of trust there has been broken 60 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 3: in a severe way. 61 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, Look, I think it takes a long 62 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: time to build trust in an. 63 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 4: Instant to lose it. 64 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: You know, I'm someone who my father came on the 65 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: beaches of Normandy with the American troops, Like I believe deeply. 66 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 4: That America has a good role to play. 67 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: That we are, you know, in a long term relationship 68 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: with Europe and that's to the benefit of all all 69 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: of us. 70 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 4: But when you start acting erratically. 71 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: When you act like a mad and no one knows 72 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: what you're going to do next, they can't trust to. 73 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 4: Make a deal with you, to sign up for something. 74 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: You know, when you insult the soldiers of the countries 75 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: that have been in coalition with US in Iraq and Afghanistan, 76 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: places that I have served, you understand why people say, well, 77 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: wait a minute, what do we do this for? 78 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,119 Speaker 4: And the United States needs friends. There's a globalized world. 79 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: We need as many friends as we can have, and 80 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: alienating our friends is actually bad. 81 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 4: For our national security. 82 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 3: There's another side of these Trump foreign policy that has 83 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 3: actually been quite effective. And actually, if you speak to 84 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 3: some of the people in the room, they said that, yes, 85 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 3: it's true Europe has not been paying its way, and 86 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 3: we should say that that's something that the United States 87 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 3: has put pressure on since Obama, but it has never 88 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: really delivered a change until this sort of very aggressive policy. 89 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: Do you think that there is something too that you 90 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 3: needed a sort of Trump level event in order to 91 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 3: get that out of Europe? 92 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: Well, look, I wish it wasn't done in the way 93 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: it was done, but I used to come here as 94 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: a Pentagon official and a CIA Officer Cumna Munich and 95 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: say please do more, Please invest more in your own defense. 96 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 4: The Russians aren't just a threat to us, threat to you. 97 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 4: They're your neighbors. 98 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: And we got the like, well, it's nice to see you, 99 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: very diplomatic and unfortunately the lesson that's been taught is 100 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 1: if you club your allies over the head, they will 101 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: eventually give you something more. I don't want that to 102 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: be the lesson, but I have to admit that's what's happened. 103 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 4: I mean, Putent has helped too. 104 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: But I think that that's not the way we want 105 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: to proceed. We want people to pay their way. 106 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: And a place that potentially the Trump administration does need 107 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 3: help from the Europeans is on this question of China, 108 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 3: potentially a collective approach. There have been some high level 109 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: meetings with critical raw materials that have been underway at 110 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 3: the moment. 111 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 4: Do you see the sort of. 112 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 3: Scope for cooperation with the Europeans on the question of China. 113 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 3: Do you think there's more sort of space that they 114 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 3: could occupy sort of together with the United States. 115 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: I think there's a ton of room for cooperation with 116 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: the Europeans visa e. China, But we have to have 117 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: our house in order in the United States on what 118 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: we want out of China. And as someone who's from 119 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: a car manufacturing. 120 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 4: State, every day I'm confused. 121 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: Right, we have more tariffs right now on Canada than 122 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: we do on China. One day we're all about by America. 123 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: The next day Donald Trump's talking about letting in Chinese 124 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: electric vehicles into the United States. 125 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 4: So we got to get our house in order. 126 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: And I understand why Europeans would be hedging on making 127 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: a deal even though that's absolutely in our best interest 128 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 1: for both sides. 129 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: And on the question of tariffs, you had this vote 130 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 3: in the House, bipartisan basically saying that they are not 131 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 3: in favor of these tariffs with Canada. How do you 132 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 3: interpret that on as a sort of referendum on Trump 133 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 3: economic policy? 134 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 4: And do you think it changes anything? It was a 135 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 4: big deal. 136 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: I mean, look, bravery sometimes comes in millimeters. We had 137 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: six Republicans who broke with their party and voted with 138 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: Democrats to say the president's sloppy tariff policy isn't good 139 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: and should be repealed and looked at. That opens a 140 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: door to a bunch more votes on tariffs. 141 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 4: That is a big deal. I'll take it right. 142 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: Do I wish people were stronger and spoke up for 143 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: their local state economies? 144 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 4: Yeah? But will I take this Yes, And it's definitely. 145 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: I think people looking ahead to the midterms and saying 146 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: he's a boat anchor these tariffs certainly are a boat 147 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: anchor for their reelection. 148 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 3: What do you think it tells us about what we 149 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 3: can expect in the midterms. I know we're still some 150 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 3: since a way. 151 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think people are upset. 152 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: They're upset because he said he was going to do 153 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: something about the economy. He's focused more, much more on 154 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: foreign policy. 155 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 4: He said he was going to bring back jobs. 156 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: Michigan has lost almost more jobs than any other state 157 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: in the country. He just hasn't lived up with the 158 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: things that he campaigned on and has been focused abroad. 159 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: And I think that people want to know what he's 160 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: going to do for them and their lives, and he's 161 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: just not made that his priority. 162 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 3: And I also wanted to talk about the sort of 163 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: thing it's more squarely on the domestic side, the indictment 164 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 3: that was attempted against you and a number of fellow 165 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 3: Democrats that they've obviously elected not to move forward on. 166 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 3: Just your reaction to that. Do you consider the matter 167 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 3: to be closed at this stage. 168 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 4: I don't think anyone considers it closed. 169 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: And we're already hearing rumors that they're going to try 170 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: again to indict us for our guess sedition and just 171 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: to review the bidding. It's a ninety second video that 172 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: just restates current military law that you have a responsibility 173 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: to refuse illegal orders. All of us are service our 174 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: veteran folks, we all served in some capacity, and I 175 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: think you know the president is weaponizing the federal government 176 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: against his perceived adversaries. It's right out of an authoritarian playbook. 177 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: Many Europeans understand that better than most Americans, and I think, uh, 178 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: this is where we've come to in the United States. 179 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: And if they can do it to a setting senator, 180 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: what can they do to a business leader, a community leader. 181 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: Is that where you see the sort of next the 182 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: next line of that sort of progress. Where is it 183 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 3: a flood to zone tactic or do you consider something 184 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 3: much sorter? 185 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: No? 186 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 4: I think intimidation is the point. 187 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: It's physical intimidation, and like a month long threats, you know, 188 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: to my home, bomb threats my parents or went after 189 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: and then it's legal intimidation, right, make me pay lots 190 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: of lots of money. 191 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 4: To have a lawyer and be in this legal legal limbo. 192 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 4: You do that to the average person, they say, you 193 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 4: know what, I'm just going to go quiet. I'm not 194 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 4: going to speak up anymore. I'm not gonna I'm not 195 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 4: going to shout from the rooftops. 196 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: And I'm just not going to do that because I 197 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: know that he is trying to intimidate, intimidate people to 198 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: be quiet. 199 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 3: And you've had some sort of words of support from 200 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 3: of Republicans, perhaps not actions of support. How do you 201 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: interpret that? Is there more do you think that needs 202 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: to be done? 203 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 4: Yeah? 204 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: Again, five or six Republicans said, I think the right thing, 205 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: which is, look, you can't go after someone out of 206 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: their freedom of speech, even if they didn't agree with 207 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: the video. And I would never want that for them. 208 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: You know, the tide can turn, Democrats could win again. 209 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: I don't want Democrats saying, oh, we should go after 210 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: Republican senators for a ninety second video. I don't want 211 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: that for anybody. So I appreciate those who stood up. 212 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: I would like there to be more joining them, and. 213 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: Just a sort of final question for you. We obviously 214 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 3: had the speech twelve months ago from Jadvance that kicked 215 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 3: off the sort of maga foreign policy that chrystalize of 216 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 3: the year. What do you expect to hear from Marco 217 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 3: Rubio tomorrow? 218 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: You know, my sense is they have brought in Marco 219 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: Rubio to kind of smooth the edges. Vance is not here, 220 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: a lot of the hardcore folks, you know, Pete hagg 221 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: Seth isn't here. They brought in the diplomat to try 222 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: and explain what the maga foreign policy is in terms 223 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: that you know, foreign policy people understand. So I'm not 224 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: expecting fireworks the way I mean, I remember sitting there 225 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: listening to j. D Vance's speech last year just with shock, 226 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: and I don't think. 227 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 4: We're going to hear that. 228 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 3: I just actually one more final question in terms of 229 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 3: the sort of U term that we did see on Greenland. Obviously, 230 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 3: it's an issue that doesn't have a huge amount of 231 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 3: domestic support, does not have a huge amount of support 232 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 3: among even in the government of the United States, certainly 233 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 3: not among allies. What do you think really prompted that 234 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: U turn? What was the thing that really made Trump 235 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 3: sort of change his mind? 236 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: Is kind to say, you know, your guests may be 237 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: as good as mine. I don't understand what affects him 238 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: and in the dark of night, how he decides, and 239 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: that's I think part of it, right. It's really hard 240 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: to predict what he's going to do and say so 241 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: being friends with him, being an ally of his, is 242 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: really really difficult at this moment. 243 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 4: It's why we're here. 244 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 3: Well, listen, Slotkin, thank you so much for your time. 245 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 3: Greatly appreciated from the great State of Michigan. The senator 246 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 3: there today from the munich Security Conference