WEBVTT - Matt Olson's Big Blast Helps Braves Avoid Sweep

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<v Speaker 1>Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Hammer Territory Podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>episode four three three. But it was Brad Roland coming

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<v Speaker 1>to you on a Sunday evening, and I am joined

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<v Speaker 1>by someone who is not Scott Coleman. In fact, I've

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<v Speaker 1>smashed the upgrade button on this Sunday evening. Stephen Tolbert

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<v Speaker 1>is here as Scott wanders the Midwest. Steven, what's up man?

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<v Speaker 1>How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>What's up, buddy? Yeah, Scott's in Chicago. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>was in Chicago not too long ago. Scott had a

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<v Speaker 2>fun weekend in Chicago. We had a kind of average

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<v Speaker 2>weekend here watching Braze baseball. We're gonna talk about it all,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, but it was nice to get a win today.

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<v Speaker 2>Had they lost today, it's kind of, you know, very

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<v Speaker 2>similar to how it's been, I think last weekend with

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<v Speaker 2>the Yankees, Like, you know, winning on Sunday kind of

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<v Speaker 2>salvage the series. So you know, it's it's been an

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<v Speaker 2>up and down, but you know, when you have the

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<v Speaker 2>lead the Braves have, they don't. We don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>live and die on every game like some teams are

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<v Speaker 2>having to do right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I heard you say that on a recent episode.

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<v Speaker 1>And I not on my head along and I knew

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<v Speaker 1>people would be mad at you for saying it, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's also true. So with that said, Stephen, let us

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<v Speaker 1>waste no time. Let us mix it up, engineered by

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<v Speaker 1>our friends at fastenal.

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<v Speaker 3>Steve.

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<v Speaker 1>As you just laid out, it was kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>weird weekend for the Braves. We'll talk about the losses

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday and Saturday in a moment, but the Braves

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<v Speaker 1>did avoid the sweep behind mostly a big swing from

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Olsen on Sunday afternoon on a three to zero

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<v Speaker 1>pitch to basically win the game. It didn't clitch the

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<v Speaker 1>game officially, but that was the biggest swing. They did

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<v Speaker 1>go only four and five in the last three series

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<v Speaker 1>following that eight game winning streak ear this month. No

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<v Speaker 1>reason to panic. They're not losing to terrible baseball teams,

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<v Speaker 1>aside from the one Mets loss. Haha insert laughter here.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, you know, I do think it's if we

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<v Speaker 1>say it often on Sundays, it's kind of funny for

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<v Speaker 1>our podcast schedule, but when on a Sunday it can help.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, ease a lot of worries going into

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<v Speaker 1>the new week. But uh, you know, as always or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe as usual, and I've seen your tweets about this too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, Hey, Chris Sale, Matt Olsen are good, and

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<v Speaker 1>mett Olsen happens to be the hero on this Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>with just a by the way, a three to zero pitch,

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<v Speaker 1>just an absolute mammoth blast. As I will say, his

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<v Speaker 1>all he can do. That's not true, but he is

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<v Speaker 1>on the short list of guys that I would like

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<v Speaker 1>to see hitting a fastball down the middle on a

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<v Speaker 1>three account.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, I've said this a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 2>People get mad when I say it for some reason,

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<v Speaker 2>but like twenty twenty six really has been There's been

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<v Speaker 2>other guys, but it has been like the Chris Sale

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Olsen show in a lot of way. They've been

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<v Speaker 2>the most consistent players on the team. I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you could probably throw Dylan Lee in there as well,

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<v Speaker 2>but the only two players on the team that have

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<v Speaker 2>have surpassed the four win mark for war Mark and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously Matt had a big swing today. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's kind of a weird time of year for

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<v Speaker 2>baseball because we're very much in the dog days of August.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, football is starting back up. Everybody's doing their

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<v Speaker 2>fantasy football drafts. Brad and I are both Falcons fans,

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<v Speaker 2>which is is typically more of a threat than anything

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<v Speaker 2>to be excited about. But you know, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>time of the year where baseball kind of goes on

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<v Speaker 2>autopilot a little bit, and especially when you have a

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<v Speaker 2>team that's very comfortably in the playoffs. I checked this afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>The Braves playoff odds are at like ninety nine point

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<v Speaker 2>eight percent or something like that. Division odds are at

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<v Speaker 2>like ninety three percent, So you know, I know I

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<v Speaker 2>saw some people freaking out this weekend because the Braids

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<v Speaker 2>didn't play great baseball. We're gonna talk about the losses too,

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<v Speaker 2>But I find myself in a little bit more of

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, keep keep zoomed out, just big picture takes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. That was my first take on today's game,

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<v Speaker 2>was like, man, Matt Elson and Chris Sale have just

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<v Speaker 2>been unbelievable this year, and Maddilson won the game today.

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<v Speaker 2>The offense hasn't looked great. That's fair. I'm fine with

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<v Speaker 2>people saying that. I mean, if you look at their

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<v Speaker 2>overall numbers, they're kind of down, like middle of the

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<v Speaker 2>tier in terms of like the league. I think they're

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<v Speaker 2>like fifteenth in WRC plus for the year. So, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand people being a little concerned about that because

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<v Speaker 2>it's been a weird year and if you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>look at the team right now, especially with how Glacier

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<v Speaker 2>says backed up, it's tough to find a part of

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<v Speaker 2>the team that you would label elite right now, and

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<v Speaker 2>that worries people, like they don't really know what to

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<v Speaker 2>stand on, what to kind of hold on to as like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the thing we do great, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>thing we do better than everybody else. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>get like there's a little bit of consternation, especially when

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<v Speaker 2>they don't play well. But I find myself in a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more of autopilot mode just as we get

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<v Speaker 2>kind of through the dog days.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I hadn't thought about that until we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about earlier, and I don't know the bullpen

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<v Speaker 1>has had been the unit that you could say that about,

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<v Speaker 1>right And I think the best version of the bullpen,

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<v Speaker 1>which includes Robert Suarez hopefully and the Iglesias that's back

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<v Speaker 1>to being Iglesias, probably has the clearest path to being elite,

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<v Speaker 1>given the fact that Dylan Lee and did Frontids are

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<v Speaker 1>still there. But you're right, there's not really a world

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<v Speaker 1>in which rotation is elite at this point. It could

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<v Speaker 1>be good. Chris Sale is good enough on his own

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<v Speaker 1>to make it potentially good. In the lineup when it's

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<v Speaker 1>right can be good as well, and we've seen that.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not like one particular area where they are dominant.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's kind of hard to parse at times, even today,

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<v Speaker 1>Like they didn't blow the doors off the Diamondbacks in

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<v Speaker 1>this win on Sunday. It was basically the one swing

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<v Speaker 1>from Olsen, a four hundred and thirty seven foot home

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<v Speaker 1>run in a tie game in seventh inning, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was enough. Bryce Elder did a good job today. His

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<v Speaker 1>last start did not go well. It was reactions were

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere about that particular outing. It was interesting today he

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<v Speaker 1>naviget six innings, only allowing one run with five strikeouts

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<v Speaker 1>on walk. Interestingly, his velocity was down like across the board,

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<v Speaker 1>like a decent amount, like probably not like troubling him out,

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<v Speaker 1>but like when I was like, oh, that's he's already

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<v Speaker 1>not a he's not a hard thrower. So it isn't

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<v Speaker 1>quite as evident just watching it when the velocity is down,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was the numbers painted that pretty clear picture there.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently he has a knee issue, Like why simingly

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<v Speaker 1>just drop that kind of out of nowhere in postgame today,

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently it's been on an issue for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know any more about that now as we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking on Sunday evening, maybe that we'll get more information

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<v Speaker 1>on that. But I think even then, like Bryce this

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<v Speaker 1>is he's good for some of these starts, Like he

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<v Speaker 1>can do this six innings, one run. I wouldn't project

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<v Speaker 1>that from Bryce Eller, but he can do it. We've

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<v Speaker 1>seen that. And then the bullpen was not particularly awesome today.

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<v Speaker 1>Glacis wasn't dominant in the ninth inning. Diddy or Flint says,

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<v Speaker 1>who is really really good? I think we agree on

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<v Speaker 1>that allows a home run. That's gonna happen sometimes. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there was a nice Ozzie defensive play to

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<v Speaker 1>save a run. But it was like kind of this

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<v Speaker 1>and that and this and that and this win on

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday and they got it over the line. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of how sometimes baseball goes. I mean, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those weird things. The dog days is the

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<v Speaker 1>right phrasing even right now this is something we probably

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't say on the podcast, but even like I think

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<v Speaker 1>fan interest is a little bit lower the deadline, you

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<v Speaker 1>wain the reason out why, Like there's football starting up.

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<v Speaker 1>We were from a south, not every risk from the South,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a football territory, and there's this le between

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<v Speaker 1>the deadline and the playoffs, especially when the Braves are

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<v Speaker 1>eight games up or whatever they are at the starry moment,

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<v Speaker 1>like seven and a half as we're talking, there is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a lull and the team maybe is they're

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<v Speaker 1>not they're not thinking that on the field every day.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like, you know, maybe we're only fighting about

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<v Speaker 1>the things that don't don't matter that much right now.

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<v Speaker 3>This is one of those fun times of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like from our perspective, like just from the

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<v Speaker 2>four of us people that do this, like we've been

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<v Speaker 2>kind of going full boar every day since January February,

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<v Speaker 2>especially March when you know, and so like you get

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<v Speaker 2>to this time of year and the trade deadlines passed,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's not going to be any like crazy

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<v Speaker 2>news and it's injury stuff, which you can't predict, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and especially when you have a team that's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're if you're a fan of the Phillies or

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<v Speaker 2>the Padres, or the or the Diamondbacks or the Marlins,

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<v Speaker 2>and like, you know, you got two teams for our

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<v Speaker 2>four teams for two spots in the wild card. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>every day is much different. But for right now, for

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<v Speaker 2>brace fan, it is kind of like a it is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a weird place to be. It's not a

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<v Speaker 2>bad place to be, it's you know, it's a it's

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<v Speaker 2>a blessing to be this far up in the standings,

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<v Speaker 2>to have the playoff odds that they have. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's nothing crazy happening with the roster. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk a little bit about it, but like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a j Smith schaalv stuff that's interesting that's coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it just kind of feels like it. And

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<v Speaker 2>also with how they're playing, Like I know, they had

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<v Speaker 2>the eight game winning streak, but I'll you know, beating

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<v Speaker 2>the Gnats and the Mets or whatever, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to freak out about that. I do feel

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<v Speaker 2>like the team is just kind of just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>hovering right now, which is fine. It's you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really expect them to go just balls to the

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<v Speaker 2>wall in the middle of August when when they've are

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<v Speaker 2>we played so many games and still it's one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>degrees outside as well. I mean the game they play,

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<v Speaker 2>they looked miserable out there. They had like a wide

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<v Speaker 2>shot of the stadium. The stadium was like half empty

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<v Speaker 2>today because if you're living the South, it is literally

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<v Speaker 2>ninety nine degrees outside right now, and like it's just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that's why they call it the dog days.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is just kind of a you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of autopilot mode for a little bit until

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<v Speaker 2>we get probably another few weeks into September, rosters expand

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<v Speaker 2>playoff races really start to crystallize. You know, it'll pick

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<v Speaker 2>back up, but this is this is a very normal

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<v Speaker 2>part of the baseball schedule.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we feel pretty good. We'll talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>losses and those are of course less fun to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about in a moment, but yeah, still still feel totally fine.

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<v Speaker 1>And I want to speak for you, but the Braves

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<v Speaker 1>are depending on what which playoff odds I think you

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<v Speaker 1>like to reference where it's fangrass or whatever, ninety five

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<v Speaker 1>plus percent, division odds, ninety nine percent, playoff odds, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>Not one hundred percent, Not think's ever one hundred percent,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>And also when that's out here from Chad Bishop of Ajac,

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<v Speaker 1>the Braves are sixty three and two when leading after

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<v Speaker 1>eight innings this season. That's a good way to win

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of baseball games, if you are winning and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't blow games at the end of it, even

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<v Speaker 1>if it's a little bit a little bit uncertain sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>with rice El sixty three and two after eight innings,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how you maintain a division lead.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do want to I do want to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure we highlight what you said earlier is that if

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<v Speaker 2>there is a union on the team that can be elite,

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<v Speaker 2>like the clearest path to be elite, it is the bullpen. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of it's iglesias. You know, when your closer

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<v Speaker 2>is not having a like good stretch, it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>muddies everything, you know. And Fontes has given up a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of home runs. I'm always worried about guys that young.

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<v Speaker 2>As we get to this point in the season, is

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<v Speaker 2>there gonna be a wall. It's a very common thing

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<v Speaker 2>with rookies, so you know, we'll see. But one hundred percent,

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<v Speaker 2>like the thing that the team does the best, that

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<v Speaker 2>has the clearest path to being elite is definitely the bullpen.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, especially if AJ's smith Schaub is either

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<v Speaker 2>going to be in the bullpen or maybe gets in

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<v Speaker 2>the rotation, one of the one of the starters goes

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<v Speaker 2>to the bullpen like a Grand Holmes like, the bullpen

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<v Speaker 2>could be elite. And you know, we haven't seen it lately,

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<v Speaker 2>but that is clearly the part of the team that

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<v Speaker 2>you would you would circle as the thing that Braves

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<v Speaker 2>probably do as well, if not better than most other teams.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even without even with this this Suarez absence, even

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<v Speaker 1>with hiccups from Kinley and Glacis being one, they're still

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<v Speaker 1>top five in baseball and bullpen era and I think

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<v Speaker 1>their top five or six and fag grafts of war

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<v Speaker 1>and bullpen like, this is a very very good bullpen

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<v Speaker 1>like just what it is. It's not as maximum self

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<v Speaker 1>right now and hopefully it will be between now and October,

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<v Speaker 1>The rest of the weekend wasn't that much fun. I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta say Friday's game was not one that anyone enjoyed.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it was a two nothing loss to

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<v Speaker 1>the Diamondbacks, an offensive disaster, basically two hits, no walks,

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<v Speaker 1>no one even reached second base along the way, which

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<v Speaker 1>I thought was a good nugget that I think you

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<v Speaker 1>shared on Twitter that I didn't really fully realize a

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<v Speaker 1>lot til you said it, And okay, I'll ask I'll

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<v Speaker 1>ask you this. How much of it in your mind

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<v Speaker 1>was that Brandon Fought is on an absolute mega heater

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<v Speaker 1>right now because he is for like a month and

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<v Speaker 1>a half maybe two months.

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<v Speaker 3>How much of it was that?

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<v Speaker 1>How much of that was the Braves just flopping for

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<v Speaker 1>two and a half hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's some combination of the two. Right, Like, he

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<v Speaker 2>has been very he has been very good. He's been

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<v Speaker 2>very good.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a stat for you, by the way, just

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<v Speaker 1>said it up before before I forget Brandon fought last

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<v Speaker 1>nine starts and you and I are both driving the

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<v Speaker 1>cor of Elray is not all that matters, but in

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<v Speaker 1>fact it matter, probably less people realize it does. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>last nine starts for Brandon fought one point five. That's

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<v Speaker 1>like two months worth it starts for him. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>a the area of basically Bob Gibson's era in sixty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>So the brace a part of that. But yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not that good, but he has been lately.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's on its own, it's it's not something

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<v Speaker 2>you think about, but there has been a number of

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<v Speaker 2>games lately where the offenses just looked very mediocre. And

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<v Speaker 2>listen to not get a runner to second base for

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<v Speaker 2>an entire game at home against a good team, and

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<v Speaker 2>it gainst a hot pitcher, but still, like you, we

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<v Speaker 2>got to get a guy a second base. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>come on. And the Diamondbacks went oh for fourteen with

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<v Speaker 2>runners in scoring position in that game and still won,

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<v Speaker 2>which is insane on its own. It was such a

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<v Speaker 2>weird game.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't happen very often.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, when you don't allow any runs,

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<v Speaker 1>you're generally gonna win.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I just to have that many opportunities in

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<v Speaker 2>a game Chris Sales starts is just such a weird game.

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<v Speaker 2>The diamond Dicks have been red hot, like the diamond

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<v Speaker 2>back's been given that the Dodgers fits Corbyn. Carroll is

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<v Speaker 2>an absolute monster guy. Terrifies me. He's got a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit Like you could tell Marte has been hurt. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he only played in one of three games of

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<v Speaker 2>this series. But like Gabby Mourno is having a really

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<v Speaker 2>good series or a really good year. Nolan Ernado has

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<v Speaker 2>kind of had a resurgence in terms of his career.

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<v Speaker 2>Looked like he was kind of over in Saint Louis.

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<v Speaker 2>He's come to Arizona. It's been really very good this year.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're a good team. But still like it was

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<v Speaker 2>just a very frustrating game. I mean, you know, the offense,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been a lot of Matt Olsen and it's been

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a Kunya and it's been a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of Riley and Baldwin's having a really weird year,

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<v Speaker 2>like ever since he's come back from that injury, like

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<v Speaker 2>he's just not quite the same. Ozzy and Mike have

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<v Speaker 2>have kind of slowed down a bit. It's just the

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<v Speaker 2>offense is not playing great right now. And one thing

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<v Speaker 2>that people always have in their back of their minds

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<v Speaker 2>is if you go back and look at twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three, you know twenty twenty four of the

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<v Speaker 2>playoff losses that they've had a lot of conversation has

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<v Speaker 2>been about the rotation in the pitching lately. But you

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<v Speaker 2>go look at those series one common denominators, they don't hit.

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<v Speaker 2>They haven't hit in like since twenty one. Really, they

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<v Speaker 2>haven't hit in a playoff series. And so anytime the

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<v Speaker 2>offense goes through this, and obviously last year the offense

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<v Speaker 2>was bad and twenty four of the offense was bad,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know people have this in the back of

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<v Speaker 2>their mind. So I get it. I completely understand why

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<v Speaker 2>people start freaking out anytime we go through these stretches

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<v Speaker 2>when the offense doesn't look good. Their overall numbers are

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<v Speaker 2>down kind of more middle of the pack than than

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<v Speaker 2>the close to the top. So it is a little concerning.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't think you can just hand wave

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<v Speaker 2>it away. I do. The talent on the team is

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<v Speaker 2>still something I can stand behind. But if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at like production, there have been there have been more

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<v Speaker 2>games than not lately where the production has been less

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<v Speaker 2>than I would have expected from this group.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I definitely agree. And you know, you can find

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<v Speaker 1>some stuff to highlight in the positive way, like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not we're not doing it today. I want I want

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<v Speaker 1>to allow it. Riley's been a little better.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which is good. Yes, I'm not doing the rabbit today.

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<v Speaker 3>But you show some show a little bit of signs. Yep,

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think also it's been great. I think Ronnie has

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<v Speaker 1>shown some signs. I don't worry about Ronald Accunya. When

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<v Speaker 1>he is healthy, he's going to be better than he's been.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a homer over the weekend and look good

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<v Speaker 1>doing it. You can find that. But then you also

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<v Speaker 1>look look down in the lineup sometimes and it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's Don Smith and he's finish. Jim Jarvis's ops is

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<v Speaker 1>like five ninety. It's just like there's some stuff in there.

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<v Speaker 1>And I actually wanted to ask you this later, We'll

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<v Speaker 1>just do it now. So we're talking about it. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not taking any walks lately. And this has never been

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<v Speaker 1>a high walk team this season. In fact, even I

0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:35.040
<v Speaker 1>looked it up through the end of July. So the

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<v Speaker 1>first three four months of the season they had eight

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<v Speaker 1>percent walk right as a team, which is like fifth

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<v Speaker 1>worst in baseball or something like that. They're near the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of the league in August. It's only fifteen sixteen days.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like six percent, which is worse than baseball by

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. And you don't have to walk, as Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Harris always shows us, but like it does help to

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<v Speaker 1>have guys on base, and if you take more walks,

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<v Speaker 1>you get more guys on base. And I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>that's not exactly a shocking development that they've been scoring

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit less when they're walking less. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>not always parallel, but like there's some impact there in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I mean, you know, Moneyball, Billy Bean, they

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<v Speaker 2>taught us like, oh, on base percentages drives everything, like

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<v Speaker 2>get on base. The walk rate is someone I've definitely noticed,

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<v Speaker 2>like with Akunya and even matth Like even the guys

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<v Speaker 2>that walk a lot typically are not walking, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you have like guys who don't walk a lot who

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<v Speaker 2>are not walking. Is not is shocking, But yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>been a it's been a downward trend, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's mostly variance. I don't think there's anything

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<v Speaker 2>specific in that one stat that tells me something is

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<v Speaker 2>fundamentally changed. You just go through periods where you know

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<v Speaker 2>you're facing a lot of it's the quality of picture

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<v Speaker 2>you're facing, Like they're just in the zone a bunch,

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<v Speaker 2>Like in the Yankee series they face three monsters. The

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<v Speaker 2>Diamondbacks have better pitching than I probably give them credit for.

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<v Speaker 2>Even in the Mets series. There were some pretty decent

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<v Speaker 2>arms in that series. So a lot of it's just

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<v Speaker 2>who you're facing, but it is. It is a problem

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<v Speaker 2>right now that they're not getting on base a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of solo. They're hitting some a decent amount of home runs.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it made matt elsince home Day is so important.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a three run homer and it really blew

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<v Speaker 2>the game open and won the game.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know three I haven't been too many

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<v Speaker 3>of those. Yeah, it's been a.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot of solo homers. So yeah, it's it's it makes

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<v Speaker 2>life harder.

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<v Speaker 1>To your point, they're on the slugging too, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>think I look this up now. They're seventh in slugging

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<v Speaker 1>this month in all of baseball, which is good. Four

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<v Speaker 1>to forty slugging obviously good. They are twenty fourth in

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<v Speaker 1>on base percentage. Yeah, there you go, which is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of amazing that they've won as much as they have.

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<v Speaker 1>If you if all you told me in the last

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen sixteen days is that they had a to eighty

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<v Speaker 1>eight OBP, I'd be like, man, they're probably going to

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<v Speaker 1>be you know, five and ten in that stretch, and

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<v Speaker 1>they haven't been. They're winning more than they lost, more

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<v Speaker 1>than more than they've they've lost this month. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it helps to have that pop. And they've also pitched

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<v Speaker 1>pretty well along the way. Oh, Chris Sale was good

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<v Speaker 1>as usual. He labored a little bit pitch pitch count wise,

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not gonna nitpick or Sale. I do have

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<v Speaker 1>one one mini rant to go on. Did you happen

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<v Speaker 1>to see his his one earned run on Friday? And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm using giant quotations.

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<v Speaker 2>For Oh, it was the Dubon play that wasn't an error?

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<v Speaker 1>Correct they So if anybody missed this over the weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a clear misplay up by Dubon in left field.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an obvious It was like a ninety nine

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<v Speaker 1>percentile catch probability play and he just mistimed it and

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<v Speaker 1>misjudged it and kind of ran in when he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>when he shouldn't have it happens. It was correct, it

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<v Speaker 1>was correctly ruled an error originally, and then like two

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<v Speaker 1>innings later they said it wasn't an air anymore. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not an official scorer, maybe I'm maybe I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Stephen. I would need someone to convince me that

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<v Speaker 1>should be an error. And I don't understand why that

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<v Speaker 1>was sorry that they shouldn't be an air. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand that it's not an air. I think if you

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<v Speaker 1>asked me, should duba, he'd be like, yeah, that's an err?

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<v Speaker 5>On me?

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<v Speaker 3>What are we talking about here? Does this matter at all?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 3>I just was like, what's going on here? How's it

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<v Speaker 3>not an error? What's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>There's some weird rule in baseball where like if it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't touch the outfielders glove, it can't be in airror,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a which which is a really good which

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<v Speaker 2>is a really good reason to not use fielding percentage

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<v Speaker 2>and errors as how we measure defense. And it's really

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<v Speaker 2>it's another good it's another good reason not to use

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<v Speaker 2>e RA as much as you do, because a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times guys get tagged with runs they shouldn't get

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<v Speaker 2>tagged with so like, yeah, like if if an outfielder

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<v Speaker 2>just completely misplays a ball. He comes in, he should

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<v Speaker 2>have gone back. The ball goes ten feet over his

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<v Speaker 2>head and he never gets a glove on it. They

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<v Speaker 2>always call that a hit because it has to touch

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<v Speaker 2>the glove. Excuse me, it has to touch the glove

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<v Speaker 2>for it to be an air for an outfield I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know why. I have no idea why it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I think maybe maybe they called it and again I'm speculating.

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<v Speaker 1>I will furly admit I do not know the official

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<v Speaker 1>score rules.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm an official scorer.

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<v Speaker 1>Caveat applied. I think maybe they called it an their

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<v Speaker 1>originally because they thought they thought he hit it because

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<v Speaker 1>he was.

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<v Speaker 4>He was.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like he just didn't see it, and it

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<v Speaker 1>felt hivy behind him, like it literally went like he

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<v Speaker 1>ran up and almost almost deflected it over his head.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like he was close up to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was just a bizarre player anyway. I had to mention

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<v Speaker 1>that because it was like, oh, that somehow makes Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Sales era worse, which makes me laugh quite a bit. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a two nothing lost. It was frustrating Saturday's game.

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<v Speaker 1>If you came into the game late, you missed the

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<v Speaker 1>only good part of it. The Braves led to nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Ronald hit a lead off home run on Saturday, they

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<v Speaker 1>added another run in a moment, and they look to

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<v Speaker 1>be on their way to evening the series at one

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<v Speaker 1>to one, and then fast forward two and a half

0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:32.320
<v Speaker 1>hours and lost by seven runs. It was ten to

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<v Speaker 1>three final score. Grant Holmes is a topic, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>just do this now. To be fair to Grant, he

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<v Speaker 1>really had not had a blow up like this in

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<v Speaker 1>about two months. Like he had been getting the job

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<v Speaker 1>done to some degree, whether it's spoken, mirrors or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>You want a debate on that. I'm kind of with

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<v Speaker 3>you on that. I like to look a little bit lower.

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<v Speaker 1>But he had been giving them a chance to win

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<v Speaker 1>every time out for two months, and its previous two outings,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was like.

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<v Speaker 3>Twelve score was innings. So it's like, oh, it feels

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<v Speaker 3>like Grant's kind of safe and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he goes three and two thirds, allows six runs,

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<v Speaker 1>and we can be honest and say he was. He

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<v Speaker 1>had been running pretty hot in the luck department before then,

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<v Speaker 1>and it kind of all came crashing down at once.

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<v Speaker 1>And Steve and I know that you saw this, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you might have participated in it. Even this re

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<v Speaker 1>sparked the rotation debate and also the Grant Holmes debate.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll let you go wherever you want to between

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<v Speaker 1>Grant Holmes role, you know, his time for the order

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<v Speaker 1>splits are. I have the stats if you want me

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<v Speaker 1>to share them later. There's even stark wro the people

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<v Speaker 1>realize you got smith shov What was your takeaway from

0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Grand Holmes last outing and also the impact that it

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<v Speaker 1>might have on the next couple of weeks in the rotation.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, again, this is a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>the Era FIP debate. If you goes, if you judge

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<v Speaker 2>you about Era, then then Grant's had a good second

0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:02.800
<v Speaker 2>half before Saturday's game. He think he had had any

0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:05.680
<v Speaker 2>array in like the two's in the second half, but

0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:07.600
<v Speaker 2>he had a fip in like the fours because he's

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<v Speaker 2>not striking anybody out. The strikeouts have gone way down,

0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:13.120
<v Speaker 2>like he's striking out I think like six per nine

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<v Speaker 2>in the second half, So it might be worse than that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's a really low number. He's walking almost four

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<v Speaker 2>per nine. That that alone is a terrifying combination that

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<v Speaker 2>will get you beat most nights. The reason it hasn't

0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 2>really beat him too bad in the second half is

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<v Speaker 2>because he's stranding like ninety percent of his runners in

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<v Speaker 2>the second half, which I know, I'm not gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>too deep in the weeds, but like, how how the

0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:40.280
<v Speaker 2>percentage of runners you strand on base usually returns to

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<v Speaker 2>a mean and in small samples, if you strand a

0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:45.280
<v Speaker 2>bunch of them, then it can kind of it can

0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:48.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of hide that you're actually really struggling. You're not

0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:50.680
<v Speaker 2>really paying for it all that much. That's kind of

0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:52.080
<v Speaker 2>what's been going on with Grant. A lot of based

0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:55.080
<v Speaker 2>runners but not really paying for it. And so like

0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:58.640
<v Speaker 2>you have to look beyond the era to understand that Grant,

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<v Speaker 2>even though the numbers, the baseline surface level numbers have

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<v Speaker 2>been okay, he's not actually pitching that great in the

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:07.040
<v Speaker 2>second half. He's just gotten away with it a lot

0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:10.639
<v Speaker 2>more in the second half. So and this is like, again,

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:13.480
<v Speaker 2>this is part of the discussion, you know, because the

0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Braves have been very fortunate this year with some of

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff about stranding runners on base at a higher

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:22.520
<v Speaker 2>rate than almost anybody in baseball. You know, their babup

0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:25.399
<v Speaker 2>is like the second or third lowest in baseball in

0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:27.399
<v Speaker 2>terms of what their pitchers have given up like they have,

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<v Speaker 2>especially guys like Elder and Perez and Holmes, those three specifically,

0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:37.440
<v Speaker 2>their baseline numbers look better than they've actually pitched this year.

0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:39.879
<v Speaker 2>And this is like it takes a little nuance. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to be able to just look past just era.

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Something Brad and I have talked about a ton offline

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<v Speaker 2>because it pisses people off when you talk about it online,

0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:53.240
<v Speaker 2>but like it's just true and this philosophical, Yeah, it's philosophical,

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:55.520
<v Speaker 2>and it's a little bit new school. It's not completely

0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:57.200
<v Speaker 2>new school because a lot of this has been around

0:25:57.280 --> 0:26:01.080
<v Speaker 2>for like fifteen years at this point. But Grant's just

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<v Speaker 2>not pitched as well as maybe his era mikes people

0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:06.120
<v Speaker 2>think he's pitched. And it caught up with him on Saturday,

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<v Speaker 2>and my opinion of him has not changed one bit

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<v Speaker 2>based on four games of you know, unsustainable era. And

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<v Speaker 2>I really I want people to start getting to the

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<v Speaker 2>point where they don't let it affect how they think

0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:21.680
<v Speaker 2>about a guy because his era magically looks better over

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<v Speaker 2>a month span.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, we're look, we could we could do this.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not we don't. We don't usually, we don't usually.

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<v Speaker 1>Go like super granular stat caste. We'll do it sometimes,

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:34.920
<v Speaker 1>but like we're not like taking the super deep nerd

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<v Speaker 1>dives on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>But using FIP is not that's that's not in twenty

0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:41.680
<v Speaker 1>twenty six, it's not like a super nerdy thing to

0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:44.880
<v Speaker 1>talk about and look for the full season. Even Grant

0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:47.080
<v Speaker 1>Holmes FIP right now, I'm I'm not sure if you know, Steven,

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:49.359
<v Speaker 1>it's four point nine to one for this. I know,

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:52.280
<v Speaker 1>I know that's that's not that's not. That's not a

0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:55.399
<v Speaker 1>good number. Like Bryan Bryce Elder for all of his

0:26:55.720 --> 0:26:58.280
<v Speaker 1>like he's the other push child for this, his FIP

0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:00.760
<v Speaker 1>is like four point five six something for the season,

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:02.600
<v Speaker 1>which is also isn't good. So both those guys are

0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:05.680
<v Speaker 1>out performing that. But Holmes, it's the same debate we've

0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:08.640
<v Speaker 1>been had in forever. It's the time through the order splits,

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 1>which I know would have been seen as revolutionary ten

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 1>years ago and no longer is. But I'll give the

0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 1>updated numbers here the first time through the order of

0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:19.320
<v Speaker 1>this season. Grand Holmes has an era just to use

0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 1>the ray and make it easy. Of two point eighty

0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:27.120
<v Speaker 1>six and an ops allowed of six o three. That's

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:30.920
<v Speaker 1>really good, right, very plainly, very good. The second time

0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:34.720
<v Speaker 1>through the order, his era jumps to five point eight

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:39.120
<v Speaker 1>two and his ops allowed is nine to fifty four.

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 1>He's basically like allowing the good, like the best version

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:47.560
<v Speaker 1>of Matt Olsen to every every hitter the second time

0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:51.399
<v Speaker 1>through the order, like that is a definitional reliever. Split

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Like everyone I know, we kind of do it flippantly

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:55.480
<v Speaker 1>every once in a while. This is this is what

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about when we talk about how Grand Holmes

0:27:57.400 --> 0:27:58.960
<v Speaker 1>might just need to be a reliever in the best

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:02.440
<v Speaker 1>version of the Braves. This is the reason why. It's

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 1>just it's just very plain and like, I'm sorry, I

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:07.439
<v Speaker 1>like Grandholmes. Well, the thing is, we like grand Holmes.

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:09.680
<v Speaker 1>But you said it already once. Just I want to

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 1>rehab this what you said earlier. He's not missing bats

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:15.040
<v Speaker 1>the way the best version of grand Holmes has misbats.

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:17.600
<v Speaker 1>And if you stop doing that and you start walking

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:19.879
<v Speaker 1>people and you already have the time for the worst,

0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 1>what that you have, like it's it makes it makes

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 1>it hard to trust you beyond you know, two and

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:27.240
<v Speaker 1>two thirds innings, Like it's just kind of what it is.

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I feel bad for saying like he's not useless,

0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 1>but like given the lens of smith Shov's knocking on

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:37.480
<v Speaker 1>the door and Lopez is even knocking on the door

0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 1>to returning, and they have seven starters and no one

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 1>has options outside of smiths Shav like decision stuff has.

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's Elder's knee. We talked about this pretty earlier.

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's a fantom il or maybe a real a

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 1>real el for Elder. But maybe it's just Holmes in

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 1>the bullpen. I mean, wa Weiss does not seem to

0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:57.720
<v Speaker 1>agree with that, though Walt Weiss literally almost downplayed that,

0:28:57.920 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 1>like pretty openly. I'm not sure if you watched the

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:01.640
<v Speaker 1>interview after game, like whis did not seem thrilled with

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 1>even the prospect of homes going to the bullpen.

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 2>So let me give you two numbers. Because you just

0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 2>did times to the order, you use THERA, so I'm

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 2>gonna give you the times to the order. I'm gonna

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 2>use FIP. So first time through the order this year,

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<v Speaker 2>Grant Holmes has a three twelve FIP excellent. Part of

0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 2>that is because he has a twenty twenty five percent

0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:26.440
<v Speaker 2>strikeout rate. Second time through the order, Grant Holmes has

0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 2>a seven to sixty three FIP. Well, that's because he

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 2>has a fourteen percent strikeout, right, So the second time

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 2>through the order, second time through the order of the

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:39.480
<v Speaker 2>strikeouts just plummet and his production goes down. And that's like,

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 2>we definitely beat this dead horse, probably for a couple

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:45.280
<v Speaker 2>of years now. But that's like, that's why we have

0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 2>the opinion that we have is because the numbers, the

0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:49.720
<v Speaker 2>numbers bear the numbers bear it out.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I had looked at that, because you're you're right.

0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, your numbers are better than mine there, But

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 1>that's whether you're ways we get the whole picture, whether

0:29:56.720 --> 0:30:00.040
<v Speaker 1>you're an era Zelot or you are not. Either the

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 1>way you spin it, Grant Holmes, when people have seen

0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:05.720
<v Speaker 1>him that day, becomes.

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 3>The worst pitcher. And I'll say this most guys do.

0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 3>He becomes a like a bad picture you see.

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 2>I'll say this, It's even more clear to me because

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:18.360
<v Speaker 2>you have a j. Smith Schaber who needs innings before October.

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Like Ajus Michealver is the level of arm I think

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 2>I've tweated this before, but just Ajus Michelver is the

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:26.720
<v Speaker 2>level of arm where if you get him in the

0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 2>right role, he can be a weapon in October. But

0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 2>you have to actually get him back up and put

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 2>him in a role so you can see what he's got,

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 2>because it's not guaranteed. He's still twenty four years old,

0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 2>he's barely pitched in the majors in two years. Like,

0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:42.280
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing guaranteed about it. You need to get him

0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 2>up and see what he is over the next six

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:45.959
<v Speaker 2>weeks so you can figure out what kind of role,

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 2>what kind of contributions he can give in October. So

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:51.120
<v Speaker 2>when you have that guy and you have a guy

0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:54.239
<v Speaker 2>who's in your rotation who's very very very clearly more

0:30:54.320 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 2>suited to be a reliever, it just feels like it's

0:30:56.920 --> 0:31:00.360
<v Speaker 2>a very obvious move. And like you said, the team,

0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 2>at least so far, it doesn't agree with us. And

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:06.960
<v Speaker 2>that's fine. I mean that you know, they they that's fine.

0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm not gonna yell Tom. I I think it's

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 2>very clear.

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, we we agree, and it's not just us

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 1>people on the internet, and it's what it is. But

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:19.239
<v Speaker 1>if they if they choose to have Smith Shov come

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<v Speaker 1>out of the bullpen and Holmes to start.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very weird to me. I don't. I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>They haven't done it yet, so we're not gonna rant

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<v Speaker 1>about it yet. If they do that, I'm gonna have

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 1>a nice rant at some point about it because it

0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>makes no sense to me whatsoever. But what I mean,

0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Walt signal that way. I don't know if we'll see

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 1>what happens in the coming days, but it was pretty

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 1>clear from what he said that they're.

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Gonna have list. If Elder really has a knee injury,

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<v Speaker 2>it might solve itself.

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 1>That might to some degree, But I mean, and just

0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to put a button on this, why pretty plainly said

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:53.240
<v Speaker 1>that Holmes will make his next start like scheduled start,

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 1>and if he does, that means somebody else isn't whether

0:31:57.320 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 1>it's Smith, Shov or Elder, you know, I mean, someone

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:03.000
<v Speaker 1>else is not going to be We'll get to that

0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 1>later on, okay, Stephen, before we look ahead a little

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:10.440
<v Speaker 1>bit to a very very strange week, like a very odd,

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 1>profoundly strange week on the horizon schedule wise, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Steve, before we preview this crazy week, a couple of

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 1>news items that are you know, notable, nothing crazy. We

0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 1>waited this long for a reason. Between now and our

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 1>most recent podcast, Robert Suarez through like actually played catch

0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>at least for the first time in a long time.

0:33:37.640 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 1>It was reported that he threw from sixty feet on

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Thursday and sety five feet on Friday. What wise said,

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 1>so far, so good. That was on a think Friday

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:48.720
<v Speaker 1>or maybe Saturday. No update the last two days that

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:51.480
<v Speaker 1>I have seen on Robert Surez, but at least with

0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 1>what we know that is still on track from our

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 1>hopeful I know you and Scott in various ways both

0:33:57.520 --> 0:33:59.400
<v Speaker 1>I think Sean did as well, like kind of lay

0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 1>the timeline out for like what we hope it might

0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 1>look like for Robert Suarez as of when we record

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 1>this on Sunday evening, still on track for that.

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 3>We just don't know what the next step is. But

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 3>that's the latest update on Suarez.

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:14.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean good news is better than I mean,

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 2>it's better than hearing that. Yeah, I saw that, and

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 2>I just thought, all right, well, that's like the first

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:22.839
<v Speaker 2>step of like twelve that need to happen for him

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 2>to be back. So you know, it's good, but you know,

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:30.920
<v Speaker 2>we're we're middle of August, so and I've seen pictures

0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:33.959
<v Speaker 2>like stay at that step for a while if things

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 2>don't progress well. So like we need to get him

0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 2>on a mound and eventually facing live hitters, and then

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 2>for me, like the clock really starts, because then you

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 2>can like rehab starts and then you know potentially coming back.

0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 2>Why they're not even like on a mound. It's hard

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 2>for me to get all that excited. It's good that

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 2>he's thrown and it's not painful, but you know, he's

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 2>been he's been down for so long. I would be

0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:57.560
<v Speaker 2>very worried if he was. He couldn't even play catch

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 2>without like hurting. So it's good news, but we got

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:05.280
<v Speaker 2>a we're coming. The timeline is getting tight here very quickly,

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Like we got to get him on a mound, hopefully

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:11.320
<v Speaker 2>in the next week or two, and then you know,

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:13.359
<v Speaker 2>a good thing is he's a reliever. He doesn't take

0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 2>quite as much time to build back up as a

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:19.560
<v Speaker 2>starter would. But you know, we got like six weeks

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 2>to the playoff. The playoffs start, and like the last

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:24.880
<v Speaker 2>week of September. I think the playoffs are like a

0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 2>week earlier this year than last year. Like calendar wise,

0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 2>so like I think there's only like five or six

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:33.960
<v Speaker 2>weeks until like the first round of the playoffs, So

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 2>the clock is ticking.

0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:41.000
<v Speaker 3>The clock is in fact ticking. One more quick news

0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:42.360
<v Speaker 3>at him here out of the bullpen.

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm almost sad that Scott's not here to talk about this,

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 1>and I'm saying that jokingly, But Scott's done a Danny

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 1>Young rant. I think there are last three episodes and

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 1>the Braves finally dfa Danny Young over the weekend because

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:55.800
<v Speaker 1>he had another blow up on Saturday.

0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:57.239
<v Speaker 3>It didn't matter because the game was already over.

0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 1>They're getting blown out anyway. But and I take no

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:03.719
<v Speaker 1>pride in this, to take no joy in that Danny

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Young is probably a nice man. It didn't go well

0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:08.239
<v Speaker 1>for Danny Young, and it was kind of baffling how

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:10.400
<v Speaker 1>long he was still on the roster with guys like

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:12.839
<v Speaker 1>Karen Jackman on the team and Ray Kerr, who they

0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:16.399
<v Speaker 1>did end up selecting for the roster healthy and back

0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 1>and has more upside. But yeah, Ray cars in the bullpen.

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:21.359
<v Speaker 3>That's the that's the note.

0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's just now coming back, didn't he have? For

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:29.520
<v Speaker 2>some reason, I want to say, Kirk is like coming

0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:32.360
<v Speaker 2>back from like elbow stuff last year. I can't remember,

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, Danny, Yeah, he has not.

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 3>Thrown in the Major since twenty four.

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 1>He had Tommy John Yeah yeah at the end of

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:40.120
<v Speaker 1>twenty four, I want to say, and missed all last season.

0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So but yeah, Danny Young Scott's been talking about

0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:47.040
<v Speaker 2>it for like a month now. Every time you saw

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:48.520
<v Speaker 2>him out there, you're like, how the hell is this

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:51.320
<v Speaker 2>guy still on the team. I think he had thirteen

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:55.440
<v Speaker 2>walks in twelve innings with the Braves, which is insane.

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:58.440
<v Speaker 1>It didn't it didn't go well. I mean his to

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:00.560
<v Speaker 1>use I'll use FIP. I think his FI is like

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:02.640
<v Speaker 1>seven yeah, seven point seven.

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean you walk that many people, it's impossible

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 2>for it not to be. So yeah, he just I mean,

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:11.279
<v Speaker 2>and I think people think maybe like he's young because

0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 2>his last name is Young. He's like, I think he's

0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 2>like thirty three years old. It's not like some like prospect,

0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:19.239
<v Speaker 2>like a project that you He's just a guy that

0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:21.480
<v Speaker 2>you let go as soon as they show that they're bad.

0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:23.320
<v Speaker 2>And he's showed him that he was bad like a

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:25.839
<v Speaker 2>month ago. So yeah, it was weird that they left

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:26.439
<v Speaker 2>him on the roster.

0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 1>So long, I would agree, all right, we'll get out

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:34.680
<v Speaker 1>of here, but we gotta say we don't always like

0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 1>in depth preview the entire week. The Braves have this

0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 1>very very odd schedule this week. Number one, they are

0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 1>going to play in four different venues in the next

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:51.960
<v Speaker 1>seven days. They have a three game series in Minnesota

0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:55.480
<v Speaker 1>starting Monday, which is very normal. They have two night

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 1>games Monday and Tuesday, and they have a getaway day

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:02.120
<v Speaker 1>afternoon game on Wednesday. That part of the schedule is normal.

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:06.360
<v Speaker 1>That's the end of it, though, because from there Thursday,

0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:12.399
<v Speaker 1>they go to Chicago to play a weather reschedule makeup game,

0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:13.360
<v Speaker 1>like a one game.

0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 3>Series basically against the White Sox. That happens.

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 1>It used to be an off day. It's not being

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:22.480
<v Speaker 1>off day. It does happen, but that's not super ordinary.

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Then they go to Milwaukee for Friday and Saturday, both

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:31.440
<v Speaker 1>games in Milwaukee or afternoon games. Will come back for

0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:34.920
<v Speaker 1>that a second, and then they play Milwaukee again on Sunday,

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:38.359
<v Speaker 1>but this time it's in the Little League Classic in Williamsport.

0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:45.359
<v Speaker 1>So it's Minnesota to Chicago to Milwaukee to Pennsylvania all

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:50.320
<v Speaker 1>in seven days, and technically the game on Sunday is

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:52.000
<v Speaker 1>a home game, I believe, or itsed a neutral game.

0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:53.480
<v Speaker 1>It's not a tendentally a road game.

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:54.360
<v Speaker 3>Who cares.

0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:56.919
<v Speaker 1>But all of that before they come home to play

0:38:56.960 --> 0:38:59.799
<v Speaker 1>the Dodgers the following week, Steven, I mean, I don't

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 1>mean what the takeaway is just a very odd piece

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:06.759
<v Speaker 1>of scheduling and four consecutive day games, or if you're

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Scott Coleman, morning games.

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't. I can't say that I ever remember

0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 2>the Braves playing a Wednesday day game, a Thursday day game,

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:19.120
<v Speaker 2>a Friday day game, and a Saturday day game all

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:23.320
<v Speaker 2>in a row. That is very, very weird, just like

0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:26.320
<v Speaker 2>the the game they're making up in Chicago being a

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:29.360
<v Speaker 2>day game is weird on its own. I am assuming

0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:31.360
<v Speaker 2>that the reason they're playing a Friday day game in

0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Milwaukee has got something to do with the fact they're

0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:37.759
<v Speaker 2>doing the Williamsport game on Sunday. I guess it's like

0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:41.920
<v Speaker 2>a cumulative effect of the Saturday game needs to be earlier,

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:43.640
<v Speaker 2>so the Friday game needs to be earlier.

0:39:44.200 --> 0:39:46.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but as a probably what it is.

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's and that's the one. Friday's game is

0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:52.040
<v Speaker 1>the latest of them. It's a four to ten start. Yeah,

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 1>the other three are all like two ten or earlier,

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:57.880
<v Speaker 1>so they're like really, they're not like those late afternoon

0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:01.319
<v Speaker 1>games sometimes you play. And then Sunday is a prime

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 1>time because its because it's literally classic, it's a it's

0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 1>a sun night baseball game.

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:09.000
<v Speaker 2>So I yeah, at least it's up north where it's

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 2>not like a million degrees outside. If they were having

0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:14.040
<v Speaker 2>to play four straight day games in like the Atlanta Heat,

0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 2>they might mean they might they might die.

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:20.840
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that would not be good that you know.

0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:23.360
<v Speaker 1>That's the unique part about the schedule this week is

0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:26.560
<v Speaker 1>just where they're playing and all of that. You know,

0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:30.200
<v Speaker 1>quality wise, Minnesota is not particularly great.

0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:31.040
<v Speaker 3>They're not terrible.

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:33.600
<v Speaker 1>They've lost like for the last five. They're sixteen to

0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:37.239
<v Speaker 1>sixty five this season. Not a terrible team, but not great,

0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:39.640
<v Speaker 1>not a great team. The White Sox are playing well.

0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:42.960
<v Speaker 1>The Brewers are obviously quite good. So it's not like

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:45.879
<v Speaker 1>it's a easy schedule either. You're going on the road anyway,

0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:49.279
<v Speaker 1>it's there's no gimmes in this bunch whatsoever. I'll let

0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:50.680
<v Speaker 1>you talk about anyone else you want to talk about

0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:52.880
<v Speaker 1>about the matchups. We do have the pitching probables for

0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:56.440
<v Speaker 1>the first three games. It's Perez and it's Bailey over

0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:59.279
<v Speaker 1>on Monday, it's Tyler Mallley on Tuesday, and then Chris

0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Sale on Wednesday. And as we just referenced a minute ago,

0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:04.960
<v Speaker 1>what Weiss indicated this is not official at all, but

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:06.879
<v Speaker 1>what Weiss did say that he was playing on Grant

0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Holmes having his next start, so that would be later

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:08.880
<v Speaker 1>on this.

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:09.399
<v Speaker 3>Week as well.

0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:12.319
<v Speaker 1>Anything else sticks out to you, obviously the Milwaukee one's

0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:14.040
<v Speaker 1>the Showdown will play previous that later on the week,

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:16.560
<v Speaker 1>but anything with Minnesota you're looking for.

0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I did think, and I'll give a hat tip to

0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:23.359
<v Speaker 2>one of our co hosts, Sean, who pointed this out.

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 2>I did think it was possible that the Braves would

0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:31.520
<v Speaker 2>push Sale off of the Minnesota series and push him

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 2>to the first game of the Milwaukee series, because if

0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:38.959
<v Speaker 2>you did that, then he would be able to pitch

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:41.800
<v Speaker 2>the first game against Milwaukee and the last game against

0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:43.520
<v Speaker 2>the Dodgers, so you would have him for both of

0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:46.239
<v Speaker 2>those series. Obviously, the Braves are competing with those two

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:50.600
<v Speaker 2>teams for the two buys that you get in the

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:53.719
<v Speaker 2>first round of the playoffs, so it was notable in

0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 2>me that they stuck with it and kept Sale in

0:41:57.280 --> 0:41:59.880
<v Speaker 2>the Minnesota series, which means he's gonna miss the Milwaukee

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:02.759
<v Speaker 2>series altogether. It's not a huge deal, but it's just

0:42:03.280 --> 0:42:05.439
<v Speaker 2>a note to me that he could have done both.

0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:07.920
<v Speaker 2>And I also thought maybe they would try to use

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:10.600
<v Speaker 2>that spot to get a j smichavor in and obviously not.

0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:13.880
<v Speaker 2>So it's not written in stone. I have seen them

0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:17.239
<v Speaker 2>release probables and then halfway through the series change it,

0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:19.879
<v Speaker 2>especially if they win the first two games. I could

0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:23.239
<v Speaker 2>still see a world where they push Sale back and

0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:25.399
<v Speaker 2>maybe even get AJ up there to get a start

0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:29.520
<v Speaker 2>in uh. Walt said that they didn't have a plan

0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:32.600
<v Speaker 2>right now for AJ to start again in Triple A,

0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:35.799
<v Speaker 2>so I don't know. I don't know what the plan.

0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:37.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that they know what the plan is,

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:38.080
<v Speaker 2>to be honest.

0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:39.000
<v Speaker 3>With you, they may not.

0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe Alex does, like he didn't rule out bullpen,

0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:44.440
<v Speaker 1>which is why I brought it up earlier.

0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 3>Like espelically did not rule out a bullpen assignment for Machav.

0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:52.799
<v Speaker 3>I would not like that at all.

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I would just keep an eye on that Wednesday game.

0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:58.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't think Sale in that spot is written in penn.

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:00.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, I mean it never is.

0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:04.359
<v Speaker 1>They're probables for a reason, but Sale, they have been very,

0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:05.920
<v Speaker 1>very willing to push Sale.

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Back every time basically.

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:12.160
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, especially let's let's say, let's say, I mean,

0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 1>for positive positivity's sake, let's say they win Monday and Tuesday.

0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 2>That's yeah, that's what I'm saying.

0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I might might make it more likely that they pushed

0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Sail back, like it's felt like they they haven't. They

0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:23.919
<v Speaker 1>never say that, but it feels like if they're playing,

0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:25.920
<v Speaker 1>if they're winning games and playing well, like, all right, Chris,

0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 1>take a couple of extra days off, Yeah, well, uh,

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:29.640
<v Speaker 1>we'll save some bullets.

0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:33.040
<v Speaker 3>If they lose money in Tuesday. Maybe maybe not. But yeah,

0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 3>they're probables for a reason. But they did announce them,

0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:37.399
<v Speaker 3>so I always want to say that out. Wow, Chris

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:39.879
<v Speaker 3>Sale was announced as the probable for Wednesday, but I'm

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:40.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm on your side.

0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:41.840
<v Speaker 1>I would not surprised we have not seen him in

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:44.960
<v Speaker 1>that spot, even if he is, of course pitching super well.

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:47.120
<v Speaker 1>And hey, I'm looking forward to watching Tyler Mallley again

0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:49.840
<v Speaker 1>because he's looked great in his first tues.

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:53.600
<v Speaker 2>For I think Buston just came back. I think Buxton

0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:56.480
<v Speaker 2>was on the I L for like two weeks. I

0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 2>think he just came back yesterday. So I think Buxton

0:43:59.239 --> 0:43:59.719
<v Speaker 2>is there for this.

0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:04.960
<v Speaker 3>I do. He did. He did play today. He came

0:44:05.040 --> 0:44:06.959
<v Speaker 3>back Thursday, so I think he's played three.

0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:09.959
<v Speaker 2>Times back Okay, Thursday, Okay, so yeah, he's he's back.

0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:13.640
<v Speaker 2>I think Joe Ryan might be out. I haven't.

0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:14.000
<v Speaker 3>I didn't.

0:44:14.040 --> 0:44:16.800
<v Speaker 2>I didn't look at Minnesota's probables, but he's not.

0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 1>He's not among them. It's it's Baily Over, I know.

0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:22.640
<v Speaker 1>And then I think it's I want to say it's TODJ.

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:24.560
<v Speaker 1>Bradley on Wednesday. But yeah, Joe Ryan's not pitching in

0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:24.879
<v Speaker 1>the series.

0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:27.759
<v Speaker 2>So they're not a bad team, but they're not a

0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:29.360
<v Speaker 2>great team. I think they I think the Phillies just

0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:31.320
<v Speaker 2>went up there and swept them for three games. So

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:35.040
<v Speaker 2>you need to certainly game, especially with sale pitching, where

0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:37.040
<v Speaker 2>you do need to take care of business, win the series,

0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:41.080
<v Speaker 2>especially off of a pretty meh series they just played

0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:44.480
<v Speaker 2>against Arizona, you know. And and the schedule does get

0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:49.200
<v Speaker 2>tough after Minnesota, I mean, Chicago, Milwaukee, l A is

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:53.040
<v Speaker 2>a tough, tough seven game stretch, and I don't think

0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 2>they have any did they have an off day? I

0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:56.200
<v Speaker 2>don't think they have an off day in there. Maybe

0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:56.800
<v Speaker 2>on Monday.

0:44:56.960 --> 0:44:59.840
<v Speaker 3>They do before before the Dog series, they have.

0:44:59.840 --> 0:45:02.080
<v Speaker 2>One off day on Monday, so that will help reset

0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:04.120
<v Speaker 2>the bullpen. But yeah, you need to take care of

0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:07.440
<v Speaker 2>business against Minnesota because the schedule gets tough in a hurry.

0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:09.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would agree.

0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:12.359
<v Speaker 1>So we'll of course be dialed in throughout the week

0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:15.400
<v Speaker 1>with episodes of this podcast and full write downs of

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:17.880
<v Speaker 1>what's going on. If we get, we're on Smashov. If

0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:19.960
<v Speaker 1>we get we're on Lopez coming back, if we get

0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:22.799
<v Speaker 1>we're on Holmes Future ending in between.

0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:24.719
<v Speaker 3>Plus just our normal game coverage as well. So please

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:27.720
<v Speaker 3>keep it locked right here on Hammer Territory. Steven.

0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Feel free to send anybody out that you with with

0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:32.840
<v Speaker 1>more content if you have any more to share. If not,

0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:35.640
<v Speaker 1>where can folks find all of your musings?

0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I be underscore outliers. If you want to follow

0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:40.640
<v Speaker 2>along on Twitter, I will admit this time of year,

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I probably cut my usage over there about in half.

0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:46.040
<v Speaker 2>I just it does. It's a little bit on.

0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:48.799
<v Speaker 3>A still, you're still the most active of the four

0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:49.040
<v Speaker 3>of us.

0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:53.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's very true. But games anyway, Yeah, you know again,

0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:57.280
<v Speaker 2>the Brave's own a really good spot for the regular season.

0:45:57.719 --> 0:45:59.640
<v Speaker 2>I see a lot of freak out every day anytime

0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:02.480
<v Speaker 2>there's a loss. Like the Braves are up, are perfectly

0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 2>fine right now. I understand like the Dodgers and the Brewers,

0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:08.279
<v Speaker 2>that's a race that you do want a track. But

0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:10.960
<v Speaker 2>they get to play both those teams. They can make

0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:13.560
<v Speaker 2>statements of both those series if they want, if they

0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:15.640
<v Speaker 2>play well enough. So they're in a good spot. Like

0:46:15.680 --> 0:46:17.320
<v Speaker 2>they're in a very good spot. There's things about the

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:19.560
<v Speaker 2>roster I wish we're a little better. We're gonna have

0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:22.839
<v Speaker 2>to watch Iglesias. My concern level is rising with him.

0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:24.719
<v Speaker 2>We didn't talk about him a lot tonight, but like

0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:27.400
<v Speaker 2>that's something we're gonna have to follow. But they're in

0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:28.239
<v Speaker 2>a good spot right now.

0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:32.680
<v Speaker 1>I would agree follow Stephen, follow the show at Hammer Territory,

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