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Speaker 1: You know, at the very beginning, when I try to

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Speaker 1: speak to juries, I try to sugarcoat, airbrush the horrible

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Speaker 1: It was my very first trial, and halfway through it,

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Speaker 1: I realize you cannot airbrush the truth. You can't sugarcoat

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Speaker 1: to this one emergency doll Avenue, Crystal Like Illinois. Okay,

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Speaker 1: exactly what happened? Um? We uh mail a missing child?

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Speaker 1: Um boke up this morning and uh he wasn't He

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Speaker 1: I'm projecting, but I don't like it. Joining me an

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Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it

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Speaker 1: back together again. First of all, renowned family law specialist

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Speaker 1: Randy Kessler joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Ashley Kelly,

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Speaker 1: worker and that is critical right now. Daniel Bober, Chief

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Speaker 1: of Psychiatry, Memorial Regional Healthcare Systems, Assistant Clinical Professor, Yale

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Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Bober, Jennifer Sen, forensics scientist, former San Diego

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Speaker 1: police Debrey Kraen Sen Forensics dot com, doctor Kendall Crown's

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Speaker 1: Deputy Medical Examder, Travis County, Texas. That's Austin. But first

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Speaker 1: to climb online dot com, investigate every reporter and foster

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Speaker 1: parent Nicole parton Nicole, do we have any idea what

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Speaker 1: time of the day or night it was that AJ's

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Speaker 1: If you're having to go to the gas station to

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Speaker 1: major departure from precedent. Two defects Apartment family Children's Services

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Speaker 1: even refusing to take a polygraph test, and new tonight,

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Speaker 1: just a trial lawyer. Why do people abuse children? Why

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Speaker 1: talking about slapping them, beating them, denying food from them,

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Speaker 1: to us, Nancy. Very often these are very damaged people themselves.

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Speaker 1: the plastic tape bleach, those muddy tennis shoes of the father,

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Speaker 1: all pointing to the tragic end of what had happened

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Speaker 1: to little AJ. Crime stories with Nancy Grace Guys social

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Speaker 1: workers CPS defects workers have just been charged criminally for

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Speaker 1: turning the other way, refusing to act on the horrible

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Speaker 1: abuse this little boy suffered his whole life at the

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Speaker 1: hands of his stepmother as father. I've got sound of

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Speaker 1: her just braiding him and you can hear him in

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Speaker 1: the background. It's just awful. Take a listen to Chief

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Speaker 1: James Blatt with a Crystal Lake PD is with heavy

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Speaker 1: heart that the Chris Lake the Police Department reports that

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Speaker 1: we've located what we believe to be the body of

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Speaker 1: Andrew AJ Friend later this morning or earlier this morning

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Speaker 1: during the overnight hours, investigators with Chris Lake Police Department

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Speaker 1: and the FBI interviewed both the mother, Joey and Cunningham,

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Speaker 1: and the father, Andrew Friend Senior, after information was obtained

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Speaker 1: through forensic analysis as cell phone data. Once presented with

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Speaker 1: the evidence obtained by investigators, both Joanne and Andrew Senior

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Speaker 1: provided information that ultimately led to the recovery what we

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Speaker 1: believe is the recovery of decease subject AJ. Investigators located

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Speaker 1: what they believed to be AJ's body buried in a

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Speaker 1: shallow grave wrapped in plastic in a area of Woodstock, Illinois.

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Speaker 1: The mckenry County Corner's Office is on scene with the

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Speaker 1: FBI Evidence Recovery Unit now as we speak. The cause

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Speaker 1: of death is unknown at this time and it will

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Speaker 1: be determined at a later date by the McHenry County

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Speaker 1: Corners Office. And it leads to today take a listen

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Speaker 1: to Chris hush WMAQ. After more than a year of

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Speaker 1: intense scrutiny over the abuse investigation of AJ Friend, two

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Speaker 1: former DCFS workers now face felony charges. Fifty four year

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Speaker 1: old Carlos Acosta of Woodstock, a child protection specialist on

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Speaker 1: the case, and a McHenry County board member forty eight

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Speaker 1: year old Andrew Pullovin of Island Lake, a supervisor at

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Speaker 1: the time, both facing two counts of endangering the life

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Speaker 1: of a child and one count of reckless conduct. The

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Speaker 1: indictments citing their actions that would lead to a proximant

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Speaker 1: cause of death. I would call it extremely unusual. During

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Speaker 1: his entire twenty nine year career as an attorney in

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Speaker 1: Cook County, Public gulready in Charles Goldbert can't recall a

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Speaker 1: case like this one. I hope we're not scapegold being

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Speaker 1: individual workers for issues that are systemic and the fault

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Speaker 1: of much higher up on bureaucrats. You know what, I

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Speaker 1: can't believe they've even said that. I'm looking at the

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Speaker 1: back and forth with defects in this case. He goes

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Speaker 1: all the way back to June sevent twenty twelve, a

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Speaker 1: hotline call that Joe and Huntingham was neglecting her child.

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Speaker 1: No credible evidence, says defacts June fourteen, and neighbor calls

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Speaker 1: neglect complaint unfounded. August twenty twelve, they remove a foster

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Speaker 1: child from her care, then the child goes back Crystal

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Speaker 1: late police October. They call the hot line after responding

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Speaker 1: to a domestic abuse okay, DFACTS declines to investigate. December

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Speaker 1: twenty four. A hospital worker on October calls defects to

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Speaker 1: report AJ's born with Opie's in his system. Still she

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Speaker 1: has the baby. The mom gets custody again October twenty one.

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Speaker 1: It just keeps going and going and going and going.

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Speaker 1: What happened, Nicole Pardon? It's completely unbelievable. Police were called

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Speaker 1: to the home seventeen times on allegations of drug use

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Speaker 1: and child abuse. Doctors had called the hotline in reporting

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Speaker 1: that they thought there was abuse happening to little AJ.

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Speaker 1: DCFS visited the home two times. We had at least

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Speaker 1: ten Hot Loans hotline calls that were called in to

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Speaker 1: report the abuse. Joe N. Cunningham was known by the

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Speaker 1: Department of Children and Family Services. AJ was born with

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Speaker 1: heroin in his system, so he suffered from day one, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: this baby suffered from the very moment that he entered

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Speaker 1: this life. When asked about bruises on AJ, remember the

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Speaker 1: mom the stepmother said is from a dog. But when

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Speaker 1: Aj was asked, he said an I quote, maybe someone

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Speaker 1: hit me with a belt. Calls to Defacts twenty twelve,

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, a hospital social worker calls Defacts hotline after

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Speaker 1: seeing odd bruising on AJ's face. You know the other

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Speaker 1: day Lucy came home with a giant bruise on it, Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what happened to you? And she told me

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Speaker 1: that's from a soccer ball at school. AJ take into

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Speaker 1: emergency room after the mom found asleep in a car

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Speaker 1: on drugs. After more attempts, now we're at April. The

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Speaker 1: investigator I found the boys defacts says that they were

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Speaker 1: quote clean, no mal treatment. It goes on and on.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't even report them all. So Ashley Kelly,

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Speaker 1: former defacts worker, licensed clinical social worker expertise child abuse,

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Speaker 1: What went wrong year? That is an excellent question. UM.

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Speaker 1: I did some research on Illinois in particular last night, UM,

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Speaker 1: and it looks like there is at least one hundred

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Speaker 1: deaths a year with touch points with dcfs, as well

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Speaker 1: as two hundred and twenty two incoming reports that that

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Speaker 1: subsequently go out to the different units to go investigate.

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Speaker 1: I don't like making excuses. There's people that make poor

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Speaker 1: decisions on a job all the time. But I can

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Speaker 1: remember as a twenty two year old fresh out of

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Speaker 1: college doing this job and leaving the department with ninety

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Speaker 1: eight ninety eight open investigations because of what um, what

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Speaker 1: we were given, and it's it's very difficult to even

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Speaker 1: with a history of reports to rem of children. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a damn. I wonder what the differences

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Speaker 1: in trying to remove a trial at a child at

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Speaker 1: or putting in your report no maltreatment. I don't see

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Speaker 1: any any problem here because during a search of deleted

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Speaker 1: files on Stepmom's phone, police would find video after a

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Speaker 1: video of a badly injured AJ on a bare urine

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Speaker 1: soaked mattress, nude except for bandages. Um, the bruises on

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Speaker 1: his face and body still defects, says, no need for investigation,

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Speaker 1: no mistreatment. I just want you to hear one of

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Speaker 1: the deleted cell phone videos recovered by the FBI of

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Speaker 1: Stepmommy berating this little boy before he was murdered. Oh,

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Speaker 1: your able. I think I'm getting more in trouble with Adrian. Remember, yes,

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Speaker 1: when you tell the truth, you have to causitive answer.

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Speaker 1: Who do you think you're gonna get me in trouble with?

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Speaker 1: Were you think I'm gonna get in trouble with you?

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Speaker 1: Are you my mos? Are you my parents? Oh? Are

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Speaker 1: you already in trouble with you? You were hearing the

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Speaker 1: parents braiding Aja. It goes on and on because he

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Speaker 1: had said, basically, if you don't quit beating me, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get you in trouble. Nicole parton what were the

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Speaker 1: conditions of AJ's discovery? How was his body fund? They

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Speaker 1: found Aj in a shallow grave, wrapped in plastic, where

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Speaker 1: he had been buried hours and hours after his death,

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Speaker 1: because once he died, his father had placed him in

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Speaker 1: a plastic container, left him in the house while he

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Speaker 1: went to the grocery store to purchase tape and bleach

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Speaker 1: and plastic, came back home and removed Aj. Fody, wrapped

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Speaker 1: him in plastic, taped it up, and drove out to

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Speaker 1: an abandoned field where he buried him hours after his death.

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Speaker 1: What are the charges, Nicole against the defacts workers. They're

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Speaker 1: being charged with failure to protect AJ. Carlos Acosta fifty

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Speaker 1: four was the supervisor of the case manager. He's also

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Speaker 1: a McHenry County board member. And Andrew Poveline, forty eight

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Speaker 1: was the case manager in the case, and they've both

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Speaker 1: charged with failure to protect him. Let's see how far

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Speaker 1: that goes with a county board member being charged. Well,

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Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, they can all rot in

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Speaker 1: hell right along with the parents. We wait as justice unfals.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime stories, hunning off, Goodbye friend,