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Speaker 1: Today's guests, we got created one of the coldest moves
Speaker 1: in basketball, and I'll give it the nickname after. I'll
Speaker 1: let y'all know the nicknames that at least in my
Speaker 1: like it has a nickname. But in my area where
Speaker 1: I grew up at, it has a specific nickname. So
Speaker 1: I'll get into the nickname after I announced this. But
Speaker 1: this guy, he's a Hall of Famer, five time NBA
Speaker 1: All Star, five time All NBA member, Olympic gold medalist.
Speaker 1: His number ten jersey is retired in Miami, me uh here,
Speaker 1: is famous for the U tep two step, which in
Speaker 1: my parts we just called it to Timmy somebody, that's
Speaker 1: what it is. It ain't no U tap two steps.
Speaker 1: You hit her with the Timmy, That's what we called it.
Speaker 1: Our father of NBA Vet, Tim Hardaway Junior, Chicago's on
Speaker 1: none other d Tim Hardaway Senior. What's happening in og.
Speaker 4: Not much, man, Nothing much? You know, I always always
Speaker 4: listen to y'all show and listen to both of you guys.
Speaker 4: Always wanted to come on and just be a guest
Speaker 4: on here because y'all, y'all be staying the realest stuff.
Speaker 4: Y'all always real, you know. And and y'all you know
Speaker 4: that's what people need to hear. People don't need to
Speaker 4: hear all this fabrication. And that's what I like about
Speaker 4: you guys. Man, I've been wanting to come on here
Speaker 4: for a long time, and I'm glad I'm able to
Speaker 4: make it tonight.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: We appreciate you. Oh g the legend you know, uh all.
Speaker 3: Remember I got a chance to tell you. I used
Speaker 3: to wear the Tim Hardaways with the X wore sized
Speaker 3: tim but the shoes was like eight and a halves
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 2: Bust you off.
Speaker 3: I busted them for two years, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: the utell two stuff.
Speaker 2: Just to me, you was the dude that I pattered
Speaker 2: my game after. You was the dude. You was that
Speaker 2: dog that when I watched you play, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, like this is the this is this is
Speaker 2: the fabric I need to come to the game with,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And then even get a
Speaker 2: chance to play against you, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like you brought that dog out of me, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 3: And you know yeah, and then honor you bro all
Speaker 3: right officially got my hair and with b Yes, look I'm.
Speaker 2: Getting back to the essence, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Look, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: About a couple of weeks he was ball.
Speaker 1: He was a few days now, I could come back.
Speaker 4: Me tell you a story about Barren, so barn. It
Speaker 4: was Baron's first year and with the Charlotte Hornets and him,
Speaker 4: him and Wesley what's the name.
Speaker 1: David West West David played with them on the game.
Speaker 4: He said, he said, he said, I was going at
Speaker 4: Baron and David said, Man, why you going at my
Speaker 4: rookie like this? I said, Man, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 4: that I probably got another maybe four or five more
Speaker 4: years left. He got another probably thirteen fourteen years. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna give it to him. Why I got it. When
Speaker 4: it's at my time, he's definitely going to embarrassed. And
Speaker 4: that's what he's did in that playoff series. He embarrassed me. Uh.
Speaker 4: I couldn't even stick him. I was slow footed, uh uh,
Speaker 4: And I was like, damn, it Is it that bad?
Speaker 4: Is it that bad? You know? Was like oh, I
Speaker 4: was like, oh man, you know I got wow. You know,
Speaker 4: but I mean, but you know, they was ready for it.
Speaker 4: They was ready for it. They was ready for Charlie
Speaker 4: came and bust out button.
Speaker 2: That was my.
Speaker 3: First playoff start right, and man, you gotta think all
Speaker 3: I've been doing it since I got tape at a
Speaker 3: v c R and watch basketball.
Speaker 2: I've been watching you.
Speaker 4: So hey, you gave it to me. You gave it
Speaker 4: to me like I gave like I gave it to you,
Speaker 4: your rookie. You gave him.
Speaker 3: You killed me. I was so nervous because I know
Speaker 3: you crossed. You like to point and run the floppy
Speaker 3: and pull up. So I was like, I'm not letting
Speaker 3: him get in no breaks, I don't care if none.
Speaker 2: Of this ship. I'm about to stick to this dude
Speaker 2: like glue. And that was my wild I was like.
Speaker 3: Man, I was so nervous, bro, because I was like, yo,
Speaker 3: this is my dude.
Speaker 2: And then you pop me with an elbow and that
Speaker 2: just woke me up. I was like, okay, okay, this
Speaker 2: is real, Like he don't like me. I got you know,
Speaker 2: I got to get right.
Speaker 4: It was nothing personal. It was just Bi. It was
Speaker 4: was It was just Bi, That's all it was.
Speaker 2: It was man.
Speaker 1: We had We had our team awareness meeting the day
Speaker 1: in dirk Mini field was Dirk was asking me. Dirk said,
Speaker 1: what's what's wrong with the game to day? And it's
Speaker 1: funny to hear you say, he hits you with the elbow?
Speaker 1: Because I was telling Dirk Dirk's like wrong, like what
Speaker 1: you got for me? I said, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: one of the things that is really wrong and it's
Speaker 1: really bad. And so I told Dirk. I said, everybody
Speaker 1: complained about the league being soft and too many foul
Speaker 1: calls and et cetera. I said, Dirk, the problem is
Speaker 1: there's no hierarchy in the league anymore. I said, So,
Speaker 1: for instance, you hitting b D with the elbow, like
Speaker 1: when Porzingis came into the league, and different young guys
Speaker 1: like that when I was on my way up, and
Speaker 1: then like you know, in my space as an All Star,
Speaker 1: I want to like show them guys and try to
Speaker 1: instill a little fear in those guys just because I
Speaker 1: would say, I know in the like it's going to
Speaker 1: come a time where in a few years, that dude
Speaker 1: gonna be unstoppable. And if I can instill a little
Speaker 1: bit of fear in him now, that'll help me down
Speaker 1: the line. So that was always my mindset. And told
Speaker 1: Dirk today, I said, Dirk, the problem is there's no hierarchy.
Speaker 1: No one has to earn anything in this league anymore.
Speaker 1: So you hitting BD with the elbow is what we
Speaker 1: all went through, right, Somebody hit you with an elbow.
Speaker 1: Now you hit BD with the l and BD hit
Speaker 1: somebody else with the elbow. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And you just got to deal with it, right, And
Speaker 1: that's and so getting a call in the NBA, if
Speaker 1: you was a rookie, you couldn't touch nobody, and so
Speaker 1: you had to play the cleanest defense ever because if
Speaker 1: you touch somebody you're even remotely close, they calling to
Speaker 1: follow you, and and and and by the way, if
Speaker 1: they touch you, good luck. A referee would actually tell
Speaker 1: you at that time, liked to get a fire no play.
Speaker 1: And so in our league today I told Dirk, I said, Dirt,
Speaker 1: the problem is not everybody get casts. I said, So
Speaker 1: if you're a rookie and you drive and I filed you,
Speaker 1: they giving you that file, I said, and the problem
Speaker 1: with that is all of us, well we had to
Speaker 1: go through to get a file call or to be
Speaker 1: able to file. It was treacherous and you had to
Speaker 1: go through the ringer to get that. Nowadays, I was
Speaker 1: telling him, I said, dirt, there was a play in
Speaker 1: the Laker game. I was telling them about when Dunc
Speaker 1: Connect called me to be and I called him a
Speaker 1: pee and I got a tech right, and I said,
Speaker 1: I said, dirt. The problem is in that game, I
Speaker 1: said to the referee there was a fifty to fifty
Speaker 1: call and not actually had all ball, and he gave
Speaker 1: Dug Connect a foul. And I said, Yo, if it's
Speaker 1: any if it's remotely close to fifty to fifty, I
Speaker 1: get the benefit of the doll. He don't get the benefit.
Speaker 1: I said, not actually hit ball, but if you thought
Speaker 1: it was fifty to fifty, I get the benefit of down.
Speaker 1: He said, no, that ain't how it work. Do work
Speaker 1: like that, and you just ain't been here long enough
Speaker 1: to know it worked like that. And I said, I
Speaker 1: said all of that to say just to hear you say, Yo,
Speaker 1: you hit me with that elbow woke me up. We
Speaker 1: can't do that anymore. And if people wonder what's wrong
Speaker 1: with the game, there's no hierarchy in this game. And
Speaker 1: I just want to hear your thoughts on that.
Speaker 4: Well, you know what, You're absolutely right. When I was rookie,
Speaker 4: I stepped in front of Charles Barkley and Jake O'donald,
Speaker 4: not Jake o'donald.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: I'll getting his name, Earl, Earl, I forget his name,
Speaker 4: but he I stepped in front of bark and I
Speaker 4: just went like this and passed the traveled and he said,
Speaker 4: founding you, Tim, And I said now, I said, I said,
Speaker 4: I went to him and Chris Molly said, Tim, Tim,
Speaker 4: come in, come in. He said, hey, man, yeah, leave
Speaker 4: him alone. Earl Dale Garrison. Garrison, okay, he said, he said, Tim,
Speaker 4: leave him alone. Leave him alone. He said, don't say
Speaker 4: nothing to him. I said, okay, And I just played
Speaker 4: the game and I left it alone. And like two
Speaker 4: or three games, you know, we was on the road trip.
Speaker 4: We had Daryl Garrison again, and everything. Daryl Garrison said,
Speaker 4: I like you. I said, why, He said, cause you listen.
Speaker 4: You listen to Chris some some some some rookies would
Speaker 4: be like, oh no, all this and that and that said,
Speaker 4: you listen to Chris and I like you. And but
Speaker 4: he said, I feel a poppy though I still kick
Speaker 4: your ass out. But just just understand that you listen
Speaker 4: to Chris and and you you're you're a good guy.
Speaker 4: You understand, you understand what's going on. And I said yeah.
Speaker 4: I said, yeah, I'm a rookie, and I understand that
Speaker 4: I got to be in my place and I'm gonna
Speaker 4: stand my plate.
Speaker 3: You know, and referee back. Then referee tell you that
Speaker 3: they have personality. That's what I was going to say
Speaker 3: to me. The referees, like, you got the power, right,
Speaker 3: And so today's referees they're just refing the game. So
Speaker 3: they just call it a lot of times what they see.
Speaker 3: They're not creating that energy and a flow, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. To let people you know, like certain games,
Speaker 3: you know, tim you go into certain games, you see
Speaker 3: certain reps, it's like, oh, they're gonna let us play
Speaker 3: to night, you know what I mean, certain dudes, they're
Speaker 3: gonna have an early whistle. But like today is really
Speaker 3: like all it's an inconsistent whistle because you're reffing every
Speaker 3: play and you're not a part of the fabric of
Speaker 3: the game. So there's no drama, right, there's no drama
Speaker 3: because you know, ain't no mistakes made. So like even
Speaker 3: when you watching the game, it's like it's hard to
Speaker 3: make a lot of mistakes when the goal is to
Speaker 3: shoot three pointers, you know what I meaning, and like
Speaker 3: to shoot forty three, so you can't really make no
Speaker 3: mistake or you know, try to cross somebody up. Can'tch
Speaker 3: somebody on the io and mess up because you don't
Speaker 3: have to, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. And the rest don't either. Go ahead, But.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you this too. A lot of these
Speaker 4: young guys, they don't pay attention to the referees. They
Speaker 4: don't know the referees. They don't understand the referee. They
Speaker 4: think that the referees supposed to adjust to them. No,
Speaker 4: you got to adjust to the referees, you know, Like
Speaker 4: you said, Ben, you know which referees don't call a
Speaker 4: quick whisper. You know which referees don't like you.
Speaker 2: Yep, you know you know the referee.
Speaker 4: They don't like you, and it's not going to call
Speaker 4: a foul for you. And you know, leave him a
Speaker 4: law no matter what he does. You got to leave
Speaker 4: him alone because it's not gonna get no better face.
Speaker 4: And these guys, I see these guys today as I'm
Speaker 4: watching the game. They just don't adjust to the referees
Speaker 4: that don't like them. And you can tell the ones
Speaker 4: that don't like him because they don't call nothing for him,
Speaker 4: and they trying to steady go at him, steady, go
Speaker 4: at him, steady go at him. The references like I'm
Speaker 4: not calling nothing, but I'm not. Somebody else may call it,
Speaker 4: but I'm not gonna call it, And they steady going
Speaker 4: to him, talking to him. He don't like you. You
Speaker 4: need him alone. He's not gonna call nothing, but you
Speaker 4: you know, don't stove there and say, hey, how you doing,
Speaker 4: how your family doing? If you see him out, don't
Speaker 4: buy nothing. Just leave him alone because he don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he ain't messing with you like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: But it used to be a referee and tell you like, hey,
Speaker 3: leave me alone. I don't like it, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. They will tell you he come up, you
Speaker 3: come over here and talk to me. I'm gonna get
Speaker 3: you a text. And you're like, man, he ain't messing
Speaker 3: with hey, you ain't insa.
Speaker 4: Used to be Joey Crawfelt and Joey Crawpy used to
Speaker 4: tell you that in the heart, don't come on, don't
Speaker 4: come over here, and then you steady walking, y'all you
Speaker 4: want to get kicked out.
Speaker 2: He don't enjoy joint Crawford kick me out.
Speaker 3: Of playoff game for clapping, bro Hey, the Dallas series.
Speaker 2: D I got kicked out.
Speaker 3: I think it was like, uh, game two or game five,
Speaker 3: and all I was doing was going, come on, guys.
Speaker 2: You then go, hey, stop clapping. I'm like, what you mean,
Speaker 2: stop clapping? Guys?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: He said, bo, you're out of here? What yeah, play
Speaker 2: no game, no excellation, He's gone.
Speaker 1: My favorite referees out.
Speaker 4: He was one of my favorite refereences. He did not play.
Speaker 4: Just let him call the game, and it's gonna it's
Speaker 4: gonna even out. It don't even out. If you just
Speaker 4: let him call the game, it's gonna even out. But
Speaker 4: if you don't let him call the game, you want him,
Speaker 4: oh we and he takes the personal, he takes the game.
Speaker 4: But but I love I love him because I love
Speaker 4: because I know you know how that long. Yep, it
Speaker 4: was gonna be a fair game. Yep, it was gonna
Speaker 4: be fair, and he was gonna call it, right, He's
Speaker 4: gonna call what he saw. It wasn't gonna be like
Speaker 4: no fanom call. He gonna call what he sees.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I.
Speaker 4: Like about him.
Speaker 1: That's the fact. And if he don't see it, he'll
Speaker 1: tell you, I ain't see that. I'm not calling anything.
Speaker 4: I don't see that. I didn't see it. I was
Speaker 4: looking at this, I was looking at that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But that's you know, that's a part of the game.
Speaker 2: That's the part of the education. You know.
Speaker 3: I just always felt like everybody played a role, and
Speaker 3: like your basketball development, so the referee, the relationship, the
Speaker 3: not relationship, understanding, the rest, your coach and an opponent,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And so I think a
Speaker 3: lot of times, you know, when you look at the
Speaker 3: young dudes and like not respecting a hierarchy is because
Speaker 3: they ain't got no research. They coming in the game
Speaker 3: like made the first ones to do it, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. And so that's the problem. That's the problem.
Speaker 3: Like you ain't coming in the league like yo, I
Speaker 3: want to be in this league because so and so
Speaker 3: and this, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like everything you say.
Speaker 4: You don't have no vet, and you don't have no
Speaker 4: vest on the end of the bench, like at least
Speaker 4: one or two vets when we came in, we had
Speaker 4: one or two vets. They knew they could still play.
Speaker 4: But they was like, all right, if they was call upon,
Speaker 4: they going there and play. But they was in there
Speaker 4: to mentor everybody else. Yo, man, new, he don't like this.
Speaker 4: New he liked this. You know, this how you're gonna
Speaker 4: it's how you're gonna get him to love you. Just
Speaker 4: go out there and play and do the right play
Speaker 4: and do the right thing, and this and that and
Speaker 4: and everything to work out. Just go out there and
Speaker 4: play your hardest. Nelly, don't like this, you know, don't
Speaker 4: be hanging now. Don't have them to see you drinking
Speaker 4: a be after the game, nothing like that, especially as
Speaker 4: a rookie. You know, a rookie, you know, take your
Speaker 4: butt inside and be in your room and have a
Speaker 4: be in your room or something like that. You know,
Speaker 4: but don't don't be out here in a way, you know,
Speaker 4: in a restaurant of some having a beer and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. So he you know, the bet to tell
Speaker 4: you exactly what needs to be done. And you know,
Speaker 4: and you just got to say here.
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Speaker 1: I tell everybody all the time, when I first came
Speaker 1: to the Warriors, they would do this for years at Oracle.
Speaker 1: I think they stopped doing it when we got over here,
Speaker 1: but I for years at Oracle they would do this,
Speaker 1: what's your favorite warrior moment? And all the fans their
Speaker 1: favorite warrior moment, what their favorite moment as a warrior,
Speaker 1: memories as a warrior would be either we believe Daron Davis,
Speaker 1: Duncle Andrew Carolinko or Ron TMC. And so you know,
Speaker 1: for me come here, like that's what everybody was like,
Speaker 1: That's what everybody loved, That's what everybody talked about it.
Speaker 1: So that's all I will hear about for you, roun TMC.
Speaker 1: You mintioned Moley. What was the best thing on and
Speaker 1: off the court from those roun TMC years that y'all
Speaker 1: had together?
Speaker 4: Camaraderie, camaraderie, friendship, wanting to do better as a team,
Speaker 4: always coming out an example. We was we Chris Mullen
Speaker 4: always set the bar. I mean nobody touched that bar.
Speaker 4: He came out, worked on this game, an hour before practice,
Speaker 4: an hour after practice in the weight room. I will
Speaker 4: be for the game. He still go out there ready
Speaker 4: to go, ready to play eighty two games. Everybody said
Speaker 4: they borrow for that. You know, everybody was and you
Speaker 4: know what it was when y'all was winning championship. The
Speaker 4: team was together. We knew, we knew that we wasn't
Speaker 4: no better than nobody else on the team. We knew
Speaker 4: that we needed a team to win. So we we
Speaker 4: all was a team, and we treated each other like
Speaker 4: a team like I didn't get no preferential you know,
Speaker 4: treatment and Chris or missed it. We just came out
Speaker 4: there and played and we loved playing. You know, the
Speaker 4: first time I went to the got signed, went there
Speaker 4: and signed. Chris, Like, what you want to do? I said, Man,
Speaker 4: I want to play, Man, I haven't played in five days. Man,
Speaker 4: I want to play. I'm feending the play. We went
Speaker 4: and played and it was me, Chris, Mitch wasn't there,
Speaker 4: Rod Higgins and some other guys. Man, we played for
Speaker 4: three hours. We just played for three hours, and I
Speaker 4: was on christ team, and I just wanted to get
Speaker 4: the feel of Chris. I just wanted to see where
Speaker 4: he liked the ball, how he liked the ball, run
Speaker 4: up down the court, just passing him, doing my thing
Speaker 4: and doing this and that. And that's how I got
Speaker 4: activated with Chris, knowing how he wanted the ball, way
Speaker 4: he won the ball, and Mitch too. You know, you
Speaker 4: got to know where they wanted to add in the pocket.
Speaker 4: You know, lobs, post stuff, all that type of stuff.
Speaker 4: And it's about communication, like you all communications communication. A lot
Speaker 4: of these guys don't communicate with one another. That's why
Speaker 4: they not as good as you know, the champions, you know,
Speaker 4: the finalists, getting to the getting to the to the ships.
Speaker 4: So you gotta you gotta communicate to one another. And
Speaker 4: that's what we did. Man. We love We just love
Speaker 4: playing with one another man, and we love hanging out
Speaker 4: with each other. Man, go to the movies, you know,
Speaker 4: go eat dinner together, you know, hang out as a
Speaker 4: team together. It was all about team of us, man,
Speaker 4: and that's what made us, you know, real good with
Speaker 4: run TMC and with the community. Man went out in
Speaker 4: the community and done stuff in the community. Man, we
Speaker 4: love the community. We went here, went the schools, went
Speaker 4: to centers, we went to parks. You know, somebody Chris Mulley,
Speaker 4: you might you might be driving down the street, Chris
Speaker 4: Mullen outside playing ball. That's the way it was.
Speaker 2: That's where it was fine.
Speaker 4: But yeah, man, that's that's why. That's that's why we
Speaker 4: we blocked them. And that's why we we were so
Speaker 4: good with each other.
Speaker 2: No, we love run TOMC.
Speaker 3: I always say, y'all are pioneers also of like when
Speaker 3: hip hop and the NBA happened.
Speaker 2: You know, so a lot of shoutouts to run tm
Speaker 2: SEE for you.
Speaker 3: You know, you are one of my top five warriors
Speaker 3: of all time. I want to ask you the question,
Speaker 3: who what is your top five or who are your
Speaker 3: top five warriors of all time?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, Chris Mullen, Mitrishmond of course, you know, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, it was a lot of guys that came
Speaker 4: through there that played and left and you know after
Speaker 4: one or two years and went somewhere else and played.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: You know you sleepy Floyd. You know a lot of people. Yeah,
Speaker 4: sleep He was cold man. Uh, of course you know
Speaker 4: rick Berry, you know, of.
Speaker 2: Course, Rick Barry.
Speaker 4: I mean you got you got, you gotta, man, come on, man,
Speaker 4: you don't think rick Berry up? Oh man, Ricky was
Speaker 4: cold man cold. A lot of people. Man, rick Berry
Speaker 4: was a cold motherfucker. He was nasty with it too.
Speaker 4: He nasty with it too.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: He could put that ball in the basket.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: It's like Chris Mully. He could put that ball in
Speaker 4: the basket, man, you know. And that's what's that that's for?
Speaker 4: And I got to give uh uh uh you know
Speaker 4: you can say will you can say, uh my, man,
Speaker 4: he passed away to get to all boys. He was serious.
Speaker 4: When you know what, when Nate Thurmy walked in the room,
Speaker 4: everybody's like, that's that was his presidence, you know, Adam, Adam,
Speaker 4: he walked in the room, that was his president, you know,
Speaker 4: and you know he's like, you know, you know, y'all
Speaker 4: y'all stopping. Man, you're a legend. Man, You're a legend.
Speaker 4: You're a pioneer. You was a pioneer. God spressed all day.
Speaker 4: So man, you know, is I put in about eight
Speaker 4: of them. That's the five hour do man. But man,
Speaker 4: I mean it was some cold people coming out of
Speaker 4: out of out of.
Speaker 3: The Warriors, Warriors, birth legends, Warriors birth legends.
Speaker 4: I'm just talking about my errand before my Yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: not talking about now you know. It's you a Baron's
Speaker 4: Clay Draymond and Curry, you know, uh uh you know
Speaker 4: and those guys I mean Richards Richardson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean come on, man.
Speaker 4: Come on, man, I mean it's a lot. It was
Speaker 4: lots of trails pretty well, you know, a lot. You know,
Speaker 4: it's a lot. There's a lot of people that came
Speaker 4: through there. Man. That that was cold blooded. That was
Speaker 4: cold blood.
Speaker 1: Sure, that's the fact. That's all. That's a tough listen, man.
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how deep the Warriors history
Speaker 1: go back.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people get caught obviously, and.
Speaker 4: The barrier, dude, though the barrier.
Speaker 1: Does for sure the base support that they own, like
Speaker 1: no other.
Speaker 2: In the world.
Speaker 1: Absolutely the way the base support their own world.
Speaker 2: Next to the Dodger fans, though.
Speaker 1: Letok ask you stop, all right, you could have left
Speaker 1: that where it was at. Nobody needed that, nobody, nobody
Speaker 1: needed that here Dodgers.
Speaker 4: I'm not even a fan.
Speaker 1: Go Yankees.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're not.
Speaker 4: You're not You're not on the Tigers, Detroit Tigers.
Speaker 3: No, no, even a Detroit Lions fans fan boys disgusted.
Speaker 4: You know you're not a Lions fan from from here,
Speaker 4: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I like to see the Lions win, though I definitely
Speaker 1: like to see the Lions win, but in our roof
Speaker 1: for the Lions. But I'm not a Lions fan. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you I'm not a Lions fan or a Tigers fan,
Speaker 1: the reason being.
Speaker 4: I wasn't.
Speaker 1: Check this out, check this out. I wasn't. I wasn't
Speaker 1: a Detroit Pistons fan until I got really close with
Speaker 1: the Dumars and then like naturally, like come on, like
Speaker 1: this man taking us to games like opening Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like you take well, four kids from Sagina,
Speaker 1: are you right? I ain't had I ain't have access
Speaker 1: to games. You just showing just showing us a life
Speaker 1: that I never even imagined was possible for me. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like you could not support that.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you why I wasn't a fan of
Speaker 1: the Detroit teams growing up is because growing up playing basketball.
Speaker 1: Now as I've grown older, I cheer for him like
Speaker 1: I'm from there, like, and so I'm always going to
Speaker 1: want to see them win. But just the way that
Speaker 1: I am to my core, growing up as a kid,
Speaker 1: I never would allow myself to root for the Detroit
Speaker 1: teams because when we were growing up and playing AAU
Speaker 1: basketball sacking of pride. We go to these tournaments and
Speaker 1: the Detroit the kids from Detroit would treat us like
Speaker 1: like we might as well be from Louisiana. Like if
Speaker 1: you're not from Detroit, you like they don't care about
Speaker 1: you being from the state of Michigan. You're not from Detroit,
Speaker 1: get out our face, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: so for me, I have a lot of pride in
Speaker 1: sacking off and trying to put a city like that
Speaker 1: as a young kid, thinking like, man, I want to
Speaker 1: put this place on the map, and then they're treating
Speaker 1: you like, yo, you ain't from Detroit, get out my face,
Speaker 1: like and so I'm like, well, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: rooting for anything in Detroit because y'all want to treat
Speaker 1: us like that. But then I'm supposed to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's my hometown team, like, but you treat me like
Speaker 1: I'm an outcasting and I might as well be from
Speaker 1: tim Buck too. And so as a kid and just
Speaker 1: having that crazy chip on my shoulder at that time,
Speaker 1: I was like, forget everything Detroit, like I don't care
Speaker 1: for Detroit at all. Y'all treat us like that. And
Speaker 1: you know, but as I've grown older and just being
Speaker 1: away from home, I'll always rep because you know, everybody,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna rep the crib or anything, of course,
Speaker 1: but just you know what I'm saying. But the world, No,
Speaker 1: I'm from sagging On, now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And so it is what it is. But I had
Speaker 1: a crazy chip towards anything Detroit just because of the
Speaker 1: way that people would treat us, you know, coming from
Speaker 1: a small city like.
Speaker 4: Sag So I will your story. I'm gonna tell your story.
Speaker 4: So I'm went to Miami Heat. I'm a scout for
Speaker 4: the Miami Heat. I come and see. You know, I
Speaker 4: was always at I was always at the Big Ten
Speaker 4: games especially, and all that I'm writing you up. I'm like,
Speaker 4: this is Miami heat culture right here. I say, Draymond
Speaker 4: Green is Miami. He coached. We need to we need
Speaker 4: to draft him, need to draft him. Dude, he gonna
Speaker 4: come in. He knows how to play. He's gonna play
Speaker 4: his role, He's gonna play defense. He gonna give everybody confidence.
Speaker 4: This dude can play the game of basketball. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: Pat was like, I don't want him. I said why.
Speaker 4: He never gave me a reason. So every time you
Speaker 4: can't to Miami, go to State War and y'all y'all
Speaker 4: beat us there. Me and Pat look at each other,
Speaker 4: he said, he said, he said, he looked at me.
Speaker 4: He said that, not say that. You know, he's not saying.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 4: Not He kept looking at me. I was like, I
Speaker 4: told you so, I said. I said, if we would
Speaker 4: have had him and yet his presence in the game
Speaker 4: and knowing the game, I'm not saying it would have
Speaker 4: been like this, but we could have won three in
Speaker 4: a row with Lebron. I'm talking about with Lebron, Seve
Speaker 4: Wade and Chris Bosch. I felt comfortable with you being
Speaker 4: on that team, coming in and doing what you're supposed
Speaker 4: to do because you was the type of Heat player
Speaker 4: that we need.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I appreciate that. You know what's crazy? Oh, gee,
Speaker 1: as I is. Miami was one of the teams that
Speaker 1: I thought was would be really high on me during
Speaker 1: the draft, and you know, I'm sliding in the draft.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I was in that green room. I was
Speaker 4: in the green room.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, it really baffled me to
Speaker 1: see the Miami Heat draft or that Montrey because I'm like,
Speaker 1: draft are Montri? Like this dude had all type of
Speaker 1: character red flags when we was coming out in the draft,
Speaker 1: and you know he was the upside of him as
Speaker 1: a player was insane, but he had all type of
Speaker 1: character issue red flags. And I'm like, they gonna draft
Speaker 1: this guy, but they talk about all of the character
Speaker 1: stuff and how you gotta be a high character guy
Speaker 1: play in Miami and leave me sitting right here. And
Speaker 1: I would watch those teams, those Miami teams with Brian
Speaker 1: and be like, yeah and d Wade and Bosh and
Speaker 1: be like I would have fit right in there, Like
Speaker 1: I could have brought exactly what that team needed. Yeh,
Speaker 1: low salary because I was low pick in the first round,
Speaker 1: I could have brought with that team needed. I agree.
Speaker 1: I felt that way. And to see Arnet Montrie get
Speaker 1: drafted there and have character issues, I was immediately like, Oh,
Speaker 1: they not about what they talk what they say they're about.
Speaker 1: They say they're about this character and now Heat guys,
Speaker 1: they not about what they say there about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my mindset after when I didn't when I saw who
Speaker 1: y'all drafted and didn't draft me, I was like, they're
Speaker 1: not about what they say there about you.
Speaker 4: Now, No, no, no culture. I'm gonna tell you this.
Speaker 4: I mean we we are about that heat. Culture is
Speaker 4: what you bring. Drake. You go out there, you practice,
Speaker 4: you don't you don't you understand what it's about. I
Speaker 4: see a lot of people I love Pat because paid
Speaker 4: attention to detail, got you ready to play, made you
Speaker 4: understood what you need to do, made you understood how
Speaker 4: to get better. All right. I came in there knowing
Speaker 4: that I can still play, knowing what I can do
Speaker 4: and everything. So I both of us needed each other.
Speaker 4: He needed me to come and run his team. He
Speaker 4: needed a point guard. To come in and run his
Speaker 4: team the way it needs to be ran like he
Speaker 4: wanted to be grand. That's the way. That's how I
Speaker 4: came in and that's what I did. Okay, you know
Speaker 4: work ethic, work at it. Don't bitch about you know this,
Speaker 4: don't bitch about that. Just come in, do your job,
Speaker 4: and when it's time for you to play, come in
Speaker 4: and play. And that's what he Coulture is. He culture
Speaker 4: is about team. He culture is about leaving all that
Speaker 4: bullshit out and everybody in his playing for the heat.
Speaker 4: We're not playing for the name on that fucking back.
Speaker 4: We're playing for the heat, and we know what we
Speaker 4: need to do and we're coming in and doing it
Speaker 4: no matter what. And that's what he culture is. A
Speaker 4: lot of people want to do their own stuff, and
Speaker 4: that's not he coached. You're not gonna do your own shit.
Speaker 4: You're not gonna do your own shit. You're gonna do
Speaker 4: what you're supposed to do with the team. He never ravered.
Speaker 4: Nobody was special on that team. You knew who was
Speaker 4: the guy, you knew who was this, you knew who
Speaker 4: was that. Everybody knew that. But it was about the
Speaker 4: team and we always played as a team no.
Speaker 2: Matter what.
Speaker 1: So so so is that is that what's affecting the
Speaker 1: Heat right now with Jimmy Butler is they're essentially saying
Speaker 1: that Jimmy wasn't being a part of Heat culture anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that, but that's passed their fault to me.
Speaker 1: All Right.
Speaker 4: You let him fly on his own private jet different
Speaker 4: places and he'll meet the team, but shoot him around.
Speaker 4: You let that stuff get out of hand. You let
Speaker 4: Jimmy Butler come in and say this and that you
Speaker 4: know this, and that you let it get out of hand.
Speaker 4: And then when Jimmy Butler, now, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 4: that he deserves his money. He deserves his money. Everybody
Speaker 4: deserves a month, all right, but you can't play sixty
Speaker 4: of the games. And I'm in the game, and then
Speaker 4: we got to work just as hard to get to
Speaker 4: where we need to get to. I need, I need
Speaker 4: to not be in playing game. I need to be six.
Speaker 4: If he played seventy five, seventy.
Speaker 2: Three, four seed, your four seed, right.
Speaker 4: Easy, easy? They the fourth seed. They got a week off,
Speaker 4: they rested, But now they're in the playing game. You
Speaker 4: know now, you know, you know I had enough. Wasn't
Speaker 4: enough enough wasn't enough? And I say this, Pat, you
Speaker 4: gotta understand Patt is in the driver's seat. Okay, we
Speaker 4: don't have to trade. We don't have to trade, and
Speaker 4: you still under contract. Understand you want to get traded.
Speaker 4: But you still got to go out there and not
Speaker 4: jeopardize games. You should have one legged shot in the corner.
Speaker 4: When have you seen Jimmy Buler shoot a one legged
Speaker 4: shot in the corner? Okay? Another thing with you know,
Speaker 4: and you see him pass the ball when he's supposed
Speaker 4: to come off of pick and roll. He passed it
Speaker 4: to the defender. You know, it was just And I
Speaker 4: say this, and I said, have worded differently. People think
Speaker 4: that Pat sent the a ten page letter for a film.
Speaker 4: I'm saying that if you want to question what Pat
Speaker 4: did and suspended him, Pat has a ten page letter
Speaker 4: or a ten page whatever he's gonna have and film
Speaker 4: to send to you and show you what he's talking
Speaker 4: about and why he suspended him. Okay, and you go
Speaker 4: from there. Patt is always ready. Patt is always ready.
Speaker 4: That's why he didn't do nothing with that Dame Louis trade.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not giving up, Bam. I'm not giving up.
Speaker 4: He wrote, I am not giving them young boys up
Speaker 4: no matter what. Okay, And it got a benefit it
Speaker 4: It gotta benefit the Heat. And that's what they don't understand.
Speaker 4: If it don't benefit the Heat, Pat is not going
Speaker 4: to do it. And and and Jimmy needs to just
Speaker 4: go out there and play, and his agent needs to
Speaker 4: just be cool. And everybody needs to just go out
Speaker 4: there and play. And if you want to trade, it
Speaker 4: will happen. But you got to go out there and
Speaker 4: and and and obey your contract because you still under contract.
Speaker 4: That's what I say.
Speaker 1: Jimmy is back playing today. Yeah, he's back playing. So
Speaker 1: say he do go out there and play? And he
Speaker 1: go out there and play, well, he looked like Jimmy
Speaker 1: dad was taking the Miami Heat to the NBA Finals.
Speaker 1: Is there a possibility that they commend this or is
Speaker 1: it off?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: What Jimmy said to Pat in his faith, he wants
Speaker 4: to get traded. He wants to get out of there.
Speaker 4: I think it's over. I don't think there's no patching
Speaker 4: up because he told him in his faith what he wants.
Speaker 4: He wants to be traded. But Pa is like, I
Speaker 4: don't want Bradley Bill. He came, they came out and said,
Speaker 4: I don't want Bradley Bill. I don't want to take
Speaker 4: on that contract, you know. So he's gonna have to
Speaker 4: find something that benefits him in the mind heat and
Speaker 4: him and Mickey are on the same page.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: If it gets out of hand, then they can sit
Speaker 4: him down and say, look, just stay at home. We'll
Speaker 4: pay you. And and I don't believe me. I don't
Speaker 4: believe he gonna opt out of fifty two million.
Speaker 1: I don't die money, don't.
Speaker 4: I triple dog dare you?
Speaker 1: That's a lot of you know, And the problem is
Speaker 1: if you opt out of the fifty two, it's hard
Speaker 1: for another team to just come and outright pay you
Speaker 1: fifty two million dollars. They got to have a max contract,
Speaker 1: a super max slot. It's hard to find that.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: People don't be understanding these.
Speaker 3: Rules and a collective bargaining, you know what I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying exactly, Like, it's hard for a team to just
Speaker 1: come and be like, oh, yeah, we're gonna give you
Speaker 1: forty million dollars, Like it'd be hard to create that
Speaker 1: type of cash space, especially with this new second aprin
Speaker 1: I don't think people understand that it's tough even with
Speaker 1: the trade. Like everybody's saying, like, yo, you know he
Speaker 1: gonna get traded.
Speaker 2: It's like he's hard.
Speaker 1: Hard to trade a guy to make fifty two million
Speaker 1: dollars a year, like you gotta give up. For instance,
Speaker 1: if you look at our roster, say say you want
Speaker 1: to trade, Say you want to trade for Jimmy with
Speaker 1: the least with the least amount of players that you
Speaker 1: could on our roster. That means either you gotta trade
Speaker 1: Jimmy straight up for Steph or you have to trade
Speaker 1: Jimmy for me and wigs. And it's like, right, So
Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to do that. So then
Speaker 1: now you start looking at you gotta trade like five
Speaker 1: guys one guy. Then exactly then you start getting into
Speaker 1: where you need a third team because now you've got
Speaker 1: a clarossals it's hard to trade. And then also another
Speaker 1: thing is people don't understand in this league when you
Speaker 1: start talking trades, it's great players don't get traded, right right,
Speaker 1: Like that just don't happen. Like great players in their prime,
Speaker 1: you don't get traded.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's gonna be difficult, man, it's gonna
Speaker 4: be diff difficult, you know, And like I said, I
Speaker 4: wish everybody gets their money. Wish everybody gets their money
Speaker 4: and be happy. But it's gonna be hard. It's going
Speaker 4: to be hard.
Speaker 2: Well, it's hard. It's hard. It's hard to find the
Speaker 2: team that needs you to get over the hump. Don't
Speaker 2: have the cap space. That's it.
Speaker 3: So if that's true, if they were to make a
Speaker 3: move for you, then they got to debunk everything that
Speaker 3: they build up towards to fit you in the buzzle.
Speaker 3: And so I don't see it happening either, I do.
Speaker 3: I mean, I let us see him get his money.
Speaker 3: But you know that's a good st Miami got a
Speaker 3: good squad, right him and Pat They ain't gonna really
Speaker 3: see either eye. Some gonna have to go, but you know,
Speaker 3: he gonna have to play his way back into who
Speaker 3: he is to get his value back.
Speaker 4: And you lend your teammates down, man, You land your
Speaker 4: teammates down. Man. That your teammates they need, they want you,
Speaker 4: they want you to play, they want you to be there.
Speaker 4: There's been a lot of disgruntled people that was upset
Speaker 4: with management, alle Michael George, but he made it work,
Speaker 4: you know, he made it work. You know, it's plain assistance,
Speaker 4: you know, but you Kobe, Yeah, Kobe, he made it work.
Speaker 4: He made it work, you know. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: I mean, you can make it work. It's up to Jimmy.
Speaker 4: I still think it could work, man, I still think
Speaker 4: it could work if you know your your team. The
Speaker 4: team I think you know, he rode bam and those
Speaker 4: guys have to come to Jimmy and be like, yo, Jimmy, man,
Speaker 4: we need you. Man, just just come out here and
Speaker 4: just play and let the chips fall away. He's gonna
Speaker 4: fall because if if if you do what you say
Speaker 4: you're capable of doing, and if you play, got a chance.
Speaker 4: You got a chance. You know, I'm gonna tell you this,
Speaker 4: Boston is scattered, Jimmy. They don't want to see Jimmy play.
Speaker 4: They man walk gets scattered Jimmy. In fact, Jimmy coming
Speaker 4: I watched the games all the time. He'd be out
Speaker 4: there abusing folks. They scared of his defense, They scared
Speaker 4: his offense. They scared him thinking, you know, making plays. Uh,
Speaker 4: they just scared of him. So I mean, if he
Speaker 4: plays and if he writes, everything is cool with them. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and you got a young hero. That's healthy. Now, that's healthy,
Speaker 4: that's looking at itself. All started being all started ship. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean they got some pieces and they
Speaker 4: and they you know, they ate nine and if Jimmy
Speaker 4: comes and play, they go. If they win six in
Speaker 4: a row, they right there, five four.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly where you want to be. Before I
Speaker 1: want to we want to talk to you just about
Speaker 1: being an NBA father. But before we do, and just
Speaker 1: speaking of the heat years, I'm sorry to do this,
Speaker 1: but do you remember when b D dunked on you?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Everybody, everybody everybody.
Speaker 1: Shop Blockers get dunked, though not cards shot, blockers get tuned.
Speaker 4: I went for it. I thought I could get it,
Speaker 4: you know, I thought I could jump a little bit high.
Speaker 2: You know you you you know you in the gave
Speaker 2: you in the game.
Speaker 4: You know hey hey, yeah, yeah, they happened. You know
Speaker 4: it happened. You know. That was the elbow. He remembered
Speaker 4: the elbow that.
Speaker 1: You got walked away like.
Speaker 4: You need to catch me slipping slipping. I thought I
Speaker 4: could get my least wasn't as high as yours.
Speaker 1: To the best of it. I got some bad ones too.
Speaker 1: I got some real bad one j dunked on me
Speaker 1: so bad. I pushed him down.
Speaker 4: Everybody. Everybody gonna get dunked on't. Everybody gonna shoot the
Speaker 4: air ball. Everybody gonna shoot a brick. Everybody gonna turn
Speaker 4: the ball over. That's basketball. Everybody gonna get shook. Everybody
Speaker 4: gonna get shook.
Speaker 2: The thing.
Speaker 3: The thing is, people nowadays are afraid of that, So
Speaker 3: you don't you don't have you know, moments where it's
Speaker 3: you know, uh a changing other guards right to that hierarchy, Like, damn,
Speaker 3: this dude been bullying me. We ain't got past the
Speaker 3: playoffs because I gotta overcome Jmond and whatever he thinks.
Speaker 2: He got psychologically against me.
Speaker 3: That's always been the thinking order and the pedigree of
Speaker 3: the NBA. And nowadays guys are running away from the
Speaker 3: real fame. Like you don't see superstars challenging each other, right,
Speaker 3: they guard the other dude on the team, right, So
Speaker 3: they're running from the charge. You know, they coming in
Speaker 3: to take a charge. Seventh, But I used to hate
Speaker 3: when big dudes take charges.
Speaker 4: I used to yeah, a charge for.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you a guy that don't get a
Speaker 4: lot of recognition that was a bad motherfucker. Kevin john
Speaker 4: Oh my god, all right, me and Kevin Johnson, we
Speaker 4: we we played against each other. I guarantee you neither
Speaker 4: of them, neither one of us got a full night's
Speaker 4: sleep because we because we knew what was gonna go
Speaker 4: down the next day, we was gonna go Outstand, we
Speaker 4: stuck each other. I'm not you switch 'all on, Dan, No,
Speaker 4: I'm getting over pick. I'm staying in front of him.
Speaker 4: Try to say, I'm gonna try to stay in front
Speaker 4: of him. All right, I'm gonna try not to get
Speaker 4: crossed over, you know, left and right. I'm trying not
Speaker 4: to get dunked on because he was dunked on you.
Speaker 4: You know, you know, I know he couldn't make threes.
Speaker 4: You know he started making three that the end of
Speaker 4: his career and stuff like that. But I'm gonna tell
Speaker 4: you this man that was a bad motherfucker. That was
Speaker 4: a bad motherfucker. A lot of people, a lot of
Speaker 4: people don't know how bad Kevin Johnson was. That motherfucker. Man,
Speaker 4: he was fucking tongue. Gary Payne, Gary Payne, Ship, We
Speaker 4: used to go at each other. Ship, Roger Strickly get
Speaker 4: enough credit man. We Harry Porter, some motherfucker.
Speaker 2: That was dog.
Speaker 4: Straight, dog man. A lot of people don't understand that.
Speaker 4: And we had to come with it every night, every
Speaker 4: fucking night. Yeah, you know, you know, now you probably
Speaker 4: take that off while you know. I'm not. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna it's gonna be a cruise here. It's
Speaker 4: gonna be a cruise that shed not in the West,
Speaker 4: not back then.
Speaker 1: Right, was really like the Clippers.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I'm not. I'm not gonna do that
Speaker 4: to my man, Mark Jack because you know, Mark was there.
Speaker 4: Mark was there when I was with the Warriors, so
Speaker 4: he was there.
Speaker 2: Okay, that was competitive, just nobody was finished.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody was no crowd to get him over there
Speaker 3: over the edge.
Speaker 4: And they're playing at U s C. They're playing at US.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell you something USC.
Speaker 4: Back then their core was so bad, man. So you
Speaker 4: had to you only have to have a slipknot. You
Speaker 4: had to have a wet towel, a wet towel so
Speaker 4: you get some crip on there. Every time mother scrub
Speaker 4: pass and get they on, they foot on the wet
Speaker 4: toule so they can get some grip and another thing.
Speaker 4: And you know how you like now if you passed
Speaker 4: the ball Boston Celtics and Washington Wizards back then the Wizards.
Speaker 4: But but uhh, when you throw the ball, and you
Speaker 4: know if you if you throw away a bounce pass,
Speaker 4: that motherfucker skid. So you gotta know how to bounce past.
Speaker 4: And I'm going to tell you this. I played in
Speaker 4: the Boston Guard when the first I was rookie playing
Speaker 4: in the Boston Guard. So Nellie said, Yo, dribble the ball.
Speaker 4: We used to go to you know where it was
Speaker 4: bad spots from Boston Guard. Just dribble the ball, drive
Speaker 4: the ball. And it was a dead spot right up
Speaker 4: under the rim. It was like two or three dead
Speaker 4: spots right up front of the rim. And Dee Brown
Speaker 4: was sticking me and he fondled me right to that
Speaker 4: fucking dead spot. And I was dribbling and the ball
Speaker 4: stayed down and I thought I was still dribbling and
Speaker 4: he was laying the ball up. Nelly called the time
Speaker 4: out and he said, didn't we go over there this morning?
Speaker 4: I said yeah, I said, but I wasn't. He said,
Speaker 4: why wasn't you thinking? He was funnling you right there.
Speaker 4: I told you that. That's why we was dribbling the
Speaker 4: ball so you can know the dead spot. Yeah, I said, okay.
Speaker 4: He said, I'm tired of him. My fucking bad. I said, okay,
Speaker 4: what you want me to say, I'm not gonna do
Speaker 4: it no more. I said, I'm not gonna do it
Speaker 4: no more. But Nelly was mad because you know, he
Speaker 4: played at the with Balls one championship. He had all
Speaker 4: the people there and all this and all that. He
Speaker 4: cuts me out so bad when I hit that desk.
Speaker 4: But I was like, wow, I won't go that. I
Speaker 4: won't go that way no more.
Speaker 2: Was spontaneous mad.
Speaker 3: It'd be your best friend mans stout.
Speaker 4: They cut you out. And you know, Nelly was always
Speaker 4: trying to change the rules. That's why the rules of change.
Speaker 4: Now you know the ruts. I'm gonna tell you why
Speaker 4: the rules of change. Nelly knew Dirk and Winsky couldn't
Speaker 4: stick nobody, so he got the rules changed so they
Speaker 4: could plays own. If you think about it, if you
Speaker 4: think about it, he can always try the rules.
Speaker 3: We insed to practice how to finesse the rules the
Speaker 3: out of balls playing.
Speaker 2: When you get out to those out of balls on
Speaker 2: the sideline.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he finessed every rule that we could to
Speaker 3: get out of betage.
Speaker 4: Every day we went over there. We used to go with,
Speaker 4: y'all think we could do this, Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Let's let's try it. Let's try it. Let's try it
Speaker 4: one time. Yeah, let's trying one time. We go over
Speaker 4: there and shooting around. We tried to shoot around, and
Speaker 4: you know, he said, you know what, We're gonna try
Speaker 4: that at the time out. We're gonna try and.
Speaker 7: And teams will be like, what are y'all doing?
Speaker 2: Right, what are y'all doing?
Speaker 1: Nellie doing?
Speaker 3: Fanessor Hey, He'll make you one boy, the dude in
Speaker 3: front of like you're taking the ball out of bounds,
Speaker 3: and I'll be.
Speaker 2: Walking towards you and I act like somebody pushed me
Speaker 2: out of bounce around.
Speaker 4: Nellie Nellie. Nellie said, every time you go to the basket,
Speaker 4: just yell. They give you a call. And I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm from Chicago. I don't yell. We just go to
Speaker 4: the basket. We take to hear, you know. And that's
Speaker 4: why that's why I got to yelling and stuff. Oh wow,
Speaker 4: Oh that ship works.
Speaker 2: Works is.
Speaker 1: Speaking of all the guys. You was just talking about
Speaker 1: you gotta we have a penny on Penny gave a
Speaker 1: top five point guard the top Penny gave a top five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: point guard list you got, you got your top five
Speaker 1: PG list.
Speaker 4: Man, shoo, I'm gonna tell you this, man, it's hard
Speaker 4: to just pick. Oh you know, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 4: that the person that just a guy that just passed
Speaker 4: away yesterday that nobody knows about the wizard.
Speaker 7: The wizard man, Hey one man, fat.
Speaker 4: You talking about Dennis Johnson. You talked about uh Nate
Speaker 4: the skate art. It's it's a lot of my fun
Speaker 4: who I mean that could really hoop man. But you know, uh,
Speaker 4: girl watching this guy and Isaiah Thomas, girl watching them
Speaker 4: pattern my game after him? Uh uh uh Isaiah Thomas
Speaker 4: that that's that's number one. Uh you know, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say that, what is Alan Iris? And was
Speaker 4: he a two? Was he a one?
Speaker 2: He was a two? Two?
Speaker 4: See that that's the thing, you know, you know, that's
Speaker 4: the thing. So do we rate him as a point guard?
Speaker 4: Do we rate him as a as an off guard?
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, he's a two? Okay, So you know,
Speaker 4: definitely Isaiah that no right that that my god, the
Speaker 4: ship that he used to do and all. It was
Speaker 4: ridiculous that six nine?
Speaker 7: All right?
Speaker 2: Uh? Uh?
Speaker 4: Who else?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 4: Myself?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: Okay, Steph, no question, Steph, no question.
Speaker 2: That's four.
Speaker 4: And I'm won't say this was the Wayne Wade A one.
Speaker 2: Or two too. He came in as the one.
Speaker 4: Though he came in as the one, for sure he did.
Speaker 4: But he but he like after that too. Okay? Uh?
Speaker 4: Who else? Uh got four?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: Doctor, you know, I gotta go with my man naked escape.
Speaker 4: I gotta go with skate. I gotta go with skate
Speaker 4: skate with man to for three years in a row
Speaker 4: to add average, I mean to lead the lead and
Speaker 4: scoring and three in a row.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, skate man.
Speaker 1: He spoke about being from Chicago. We all heard about
Speaker 1: the Chicago runs. Uh. I had the opportunity to go
Speaker 1: to a couple of them in my day, which is
Speaker 1: after the heyday of them. But Bron recently was talking
Speaker 1: the other day about getting on the court with MJ
Speaker 1: being there. I was there. He was guardiable and I
Speaker 1: know you were there.
Speaker 2: I was there, So I want to know what.
Speaker 1: He really as unguardable, as he said he was the
Speaker 1: other day and the clip that he was talking about
Speaker 1: being unguardable in that pickup game.
Speaker 4: You're talking about Mike unguardable.
Speaker 1: No, was Bron as unguardable as he's Bron said he
Speaker 1: was unguardable that day he got out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I was listening to Maverick. He was talking
Speaker 4: about Lebron being at there. We wanted to see what
Speaker 4: he had and what he could do. He didn't do
Speaker 4: it all the time because he had he had broke
Speaker 4: his wrist and he and it was like it was
Speaker 4: like a week after his he took the cast off.
Speaker 4: He came in, he was playing and he came down
Speaker 4: a fast break and we thought he was gonna pass.
Speaker 4: The motherfucker took off from a brief throw. Mind, he
Speaker 4: just took off. He missed. He missed, but the motherfucker
Speaker 4: said too h. I mean, just like that. We we
Speaker 4: thought he was gonna pass. It was it was a
Speaker 4: three or two. We thought he was gonna pass, and
Speaker 4: it was like in slow motion. The motherfucker just took
Speaker 4: off and I was like, damn, and he just missed
Speaker 4: and the boss sipped out of his hand. He missed,
Speaker 4: but I said, you know, that's incredible, that's incredible. I
Speaker 4: mean for a sixteen seventeen year old kid to come
Speaker 4: in and do some shit like that, and he was
Speaker 4: making shots, playing defense, passing the ball. You could feel
Speaker 4: his press, You feel his press. You knew that he
Speaker 4: was going to be that motherfucker in the NBA. You
Speaker 4: knew that. That's wow.
Speaker 1: So for everybody out there who say Brian be lying
Speaker 1: about all these stories, he told want to and you
Speaker 1: know right here he ain't hold nobody, nobody, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no was he was real. He was
Speaker 4: real that sixteen seventy, that thing was seventeen eighteen whatever.
Speaker 4: Uh he was real. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And talk about you know, Isaiah Thomas being your favorite player.
Speaker 3: We got a clip where you hit him with the UTAH.
Speaker 3: I need to know one that moment. But also the
Speaker 3: resonation of the UTUB two step. How did that come about?
Speaker 4: Well, it came about because everybody'd be like, you know,
Speaker 4: we had games in Chicago and I didn't like going
Speaker 4: out because that's when people started shooting up places and
Speaker 4: backyards and all that type of stuff and gang you know,
Speaker 4: umbles following you in cars and you know, all this
Speaker 4: time it was crazy. It was wild. So I'm still
Speaker 4: in high school and so uh, I just used to
Speaker 4: work on my game. I had an unfinished basement downstairs.
Speaker 4: We didn't have shit, we didn't have computers. We had
Speaker 4: three camels on the TV. Yeah, we had we had
Speaker 4: three channels on the TV. And it got stale. So
Speaker 4: I used to go downstairs and I had two beams
Speaker 4: and I just used to work on behind the bad dribbles,
Speaker 4: spin moves, in and out moves, crossover playing like it
Speaker 4: was like a eight foot ceiling. I used to make
Speaker 4: labs come coming down doing some stuff and just just
Speaker 4: working on my game downstairs for about an hour. And
Speaker 4: it was you know, it was cold outside. You need
Speaker 4: to go outside. So I'm just out there working on
Speaker 4: my just working on ball hands. So that's where my
Speaker 4: ball handling came in. Then I used to go outside
Speaker 4: during the summer and play against the guys outside and
Speaker 4: we used to have this uh uh on the sidewalk.
Speaker 4: It was like if you could steal a ball from
Speaker 4: a person, it was like four people and I used
Speaker 4: to drive between four or five people over this GalF
Speaker 4: and and if you go on the grass, that's out
Speaker 4: of the ball.
Speaker 2: Up.
Speaker 4: I need to control motherfuckers, push motherfuckers off, and just
Speaker 4: do all that type of stuff. I used to go
Speaker 4: back and forth for about three or four times, and
Speaker 4: then I like, I get it stole. Just so you know,
Speaker 4: game go on and ship like that. I have the
Speaker 4: friends that I should. I uh uh, you know, work
Speaker 4: on my ship right, yeah, if you want to know, yeah,
Speaker 4: so so on. I want to go to the idea.
Speaker 4: My coach took me out. I was I was in
Speaker 4: sixth grade. Uh no, seventh grade. Coach took me out
Speaker 4: of school. He said, we want an amphitheater. He said,
Speaker 4: I want you to check out number eleven. I said,
Speaker 4: all right, say Jose, I'm checking them out, like wow,
Speaker 4: myself cold on my mind and stuff. He said, what
Speaker 4: you think? I said, keep cold blood. He's nice. And
Speaker 4: he said you play like him. I said, this fuck
Speaker 4: out of here. I said, oh, you know what, I'm bad.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, said I'm sorry. I said, you know I
Speaker 4: don't play like him, he said, he said. He said,
Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you something. You played just like him.
Speaker 4: You got the confidence like him, you control the team
Speaker 4: like him, you make shots like him. You do all
Speaker 4: the things that he's doing right now, just in seventh grade.
Speaker 4: And at that particular time when he told me that,
Speaker 4: I started watching Isaiah and pattern in my game. When
Speaker 4: he went to Indiana, I steady watched him. Steady watched
Speaker 4: them and this pattern in my game. After they came
Speaker 4: back for some league, watched them. Love. I knew, knew
Speaker 4: they scheduled, knew when he was gonna play. I'm there
Speaker 4: an hour ahead of time. I'm in the front row
Speaker 4: watching him play, you know. And so and so he
Speaker 4: kept in touch with me. Somebody told him about me,
Speaker 4: and we was at a high school summer league game
Speaker 4: and we playing and they said, yeah, we got a surprise,
Speaker 4: y'all whoever make the final four. You know the teams
Speaker 4: they come in and we got a special guest player.
Speaker 4: And somebody told me, and I told my team. I said,
Speaker 4: I don't know what y'all gonna do, but I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be here every game and I'm making the final four.
Speaker 4: I'm making finding for And Isaiah came in there and talked.
Speaker 4: And after he talked, everybody's like, you know, everybody's about
Speaker 4: to say, hey, Tim Hartley, let me talk to you.
Speaker 4: You want to talk to me. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah yeah. He talked to me and said, yeah, somebody
Speaker 4: told me that you've been patting your game after me.
Speaker 4: I've been checking you out. I've been keeping tabs on
Speaker 4: you and stuff like that. And I was just blown away.
Speaker 4: He just said, keep doing what you're doing. Go to school,
Speaker 4: get your education. You know, I don't know if you're
Speaker 4: gonna make it or nothing like that, but he said,
Speaker 4: just just use basketball, get your education. And but you're
Speaker 4: playing well, man, and keep up good work and keep
Speaker 4: your confidence and keep playing. Said okay, and and so
Speaker 4: and so and so we came to Detroit my rookie year.
Speaker 4: He came to pick me up at the hotel and
Speaker 4: went to his house, had pregave meal, and on the
Speaker 4: drive back to the hotel, I'm like, time am. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna tell this man. I appreciate you, uh taking me
Speaker 4: to your house and feed me, but uh, I'm still
Speaker 4: gonna bust your ass. And so so before I got
Speaker 4: it out, he said, now you know, because you know
Speaker 4: I can't you know, took you out for free game,
Speaker 4: mail to the house and everything and talk to you.
Speaker 4: I hope you don't take it easy. I was like,
Speaker 4: you know what, I was gonna, I was gonna. I've
Speaker 4: been trying to figure out how Yeah, I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: take me. He said, that's what I want to hear.
Speaker 4: And we we played. We beat him here too, and
Speaker 4: uh in Detroit and uh yeah, man, I always wanted
Speaker 4: to play against him, man, And uh, it's like the
Speaker 4: highlight of your whole career when we played. Yes that dude,
Speaker 4: and man, man it is is. I know how you feel, Barren,
Speaker 4: but man, it was it was it was like wow,
Speaker 4: I mean, there's one of those moments.
Speaker 1: It was one of those moments become rivals.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: We can't thank you enough. Oh g that was incredible
Speaker 1: just hearing the story. You always welcome on here. You
Speaker 1: ever need somebody somewhere to pop up ship, you can
Speaker 1: always come here.
Speaker 4: Man. I appreciate it. I love I love hearing y'all,
Speaker 4: y'all keep it as real as it love y'all watching y'all,
Speaker 4: and and and both of y'all, both of y'all. People
Speaker 4: they need to listen to you all more, you know,
Speaker 4: people be like, yeah, Dremond, he needs to be quiet.
Speaker 4: This and that bub little body and that. I'm like,
Speaker 4: he's telling the truth though, what'll I said, Barren, tell
Speaker 4: the truth? I mean, what what?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 4: I don't understand y'all. Y'all want people to tell the truth.
Speaker 4: But y'all mad that they tell the truth.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't understand that. But but but y'all keep doing
Speaker 4: what you all doing, man, and keep uh inspiring inspiring
Speaker 4: these kids. They they only listen to me so much. Dre.
Speaker 4: They listening to you because you out there doing it, Barring.
Speaker 4: They listen to you because you you you you just
Speaker 4: removed and so they can relate to you. And plus
Speaker 4: you got an AAU team and you're out there doing
Speaker 4: your thing. Weether y'all keep inspiring these kids, man. And
Speaker 4: I tell these kids with the nil money, now, what
Speaker 4: is the rush? You're going to the NBA?
Speaker 2: Ye?
Speaker 4: Get all, Why don't you work on your game to
Speaker 4: perfection so when you come in, you don't have to
Speaker 4: play in the G league.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 4: You come in, you could be ready right away, exactly.
Speaker 4: Listen to a lot of these kids don't want to
Speaker 4: listen to the college coach. College coach. That's what we did.
Speaker 4: We listen to our coach. We respect our We listen
Speaker 4: to our coaches. That's why we made. That's why that's
Speaker 4: why it was easy for us, Yes, because because we
Speaker 4: listened and we understood what they were saying. They think
Speaker 4: that you hating on me. It's criticism. You don't like
Speaker 4: me and this and that. That's why they transfer stay there,
Speaker 4: take adversity looking in the eye and say you're gonna
Speaker 4: get better. That's what you'll doing with these kids today.
Speaker 2: And I can appreciate you. It's amazing you much love.
Speaker 4: Don't let Baron David tell you about two weeks ago.
Speaker 2: That's coming out on tape they did. They did it's
Speaker 2: dirty with the commercial.
Speaker 1: I know you no.
Speaker 2: I can just imagine breaking.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow. It wasn't nice. It wasn't nice, it wasn't cool.
Speaker 2: It wasn't cool.
Speaker 1: We appreciate your I'll be looking for that as a left.
Speaker 4: See all at all Star. Yes, sir, the healthy great, Yes, sir,
Speaker 4: thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I see you at All Star.
Speaker 2: No doubt the volume