1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: The grateful thing. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 2: The word grateful gratitude is tough for me because sometimes 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 2: again I'm like, but I don't know if I necessarily 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: feel grateful in this moment. For that, so I've shifted 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: it to what good happened today? 6 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 3: Hello, Hello Emily, A body here with a surprise episode 7 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,959 Speaker 3: for your Wednesday morning if you're listening to this in 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 3: real time. Number three fourteen from Hurdle a Wellness a 9 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 3: focused podcast where I talk to inspirational people about everything 10 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 3: from their highest ties and toughest moments to essential tips 11 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 3: on how to live a healthier, happier, more motivated life. 12 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 3: We all go through our fair share of hurdles. My 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 3: goal through these discussions is to empower you to better 14 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 3: navigate yours and move with intention so that you can 15 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 3: stride towards your own big potential and of course. 16 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: Have some fun along the way. 17 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 3: For number three fourteen, I am bringing you my conversation 18 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 3: with Katie hoff Anderson. You may know and love her 19 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 3: from her time in the pool. She's a two time Olympian, 20 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: three time medalist. In these days, she spends her time 21 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 3: as a speaker and co host of her new podcast 22 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: called Unfiltered Waters. I'll go ahead and make sure to 23 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 3: link that in the show notes. Now we have the 24 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 3: opportunity to link at Athleta's Power of She Hub in Paris. 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 3: This is Katie's second appearance on the show, and it 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: was such a great opportunity to connect on what's the latest, 27 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: what's going on with her. She was out in Paris 28 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 3: working with Yahoo Sports and with Team USA as a creator. 29 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: She tells us what that was like, and she also 30 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 3: gets real about how the transition has been for her, 31 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: going from a competing athlete to being. 32 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: On the other side. 33 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 3: She also talks to us about what she's been doing 34 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 3: since we last chatted for the show and scales her 35 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: experience going through the Hoffmann process, which I found to 36 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: be super, super interesting. I have so much content from 37 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 3: my time in Paris that I want to make sure 38 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 3: hits the feed in some sort of reasonable timeframe, which 39 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 3: is why you're getting these special bonus episodes. I promise 40 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: you there's new stuff being made, there are emails flying, 41 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: interviews happening, and so I just want to make sure 42 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 3: you know that I'm always thinking of how I can 43 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 3: best serve all of you. Now, recently, I made the 44 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 3: shift to allowing email listener questions for the five minute 45 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 3: Friday segment. So if you have a question that you 46 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: want to answered on the show, send it over email 47 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 3: to Hello at Hurdle dot us and maybe you'll hear 48 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: an answer in an upcoming episode. Make sure you're following 49 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 3: Hurdle on social it's at Hurdle Podcast. I am over 50 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: at Emily a Body And with that, let's get to it. 51 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 3: Let's get to hurdling. 52 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: Today. 53 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: I have the pleasure of sitting down with Katie hoff Anderson. 54 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: How are we doing? We are doing great. 55 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: We are let's see five days in and eight more 56 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: days to go, and I feel like I've done like 57 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: two weeks worth of stuff, which is awesome. 58 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, so talk to me about what the stuff is, 59 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: what's going on right now. 60 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: So I'm here with the USOPC. They have a Team 61 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: USA Creators Program, which I think, first of all, is incredible. 62 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: It's the first time and they've ever done it, and 63 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: I think it's only going to bring just awareness to 64 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: the sports. So there's people that have nothing to do 65 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: with the sports that are here but just have a 66 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: huge engagement in following. And so we've been doing like 67 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: TikTok dances. We've been doing kind of recaps behind the scenes, 68 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: so that's been really fun. And then I'm also here 69 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: with Yahoo Sports for the swimming side of things, so 70 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: we've been doing recaps every night, doing it again behind 71 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: the scenes, and then also doing just some general content 72 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: for my podcasts with Missy Franklin, which is unfiltered Waters. 73 00:03:58,680 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: You have nothing going on. 74 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 3: I'm laying in bed all day, Oh my god, which 75 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 3: like probably wouldn't even be that bad bad because it's Paris. 76 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: I know, it is nice. Life is good, life is good. 77 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: You know. 78 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 3: What's so interesting to me is that there's so many 79 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 3: different things going on, but yet you still seem like 80 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 3: you've got it together. 81 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: Kate. 82 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kind of like embracing the chaos. That has 83 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: just been my model the whole time. But yeah, people 84 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: are like, oh my god, looks like you're doing so much, 85 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 2: and it's like, well, yeah, because we're in Paris and 86 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 2: there's I just keep saying yes, you know, there's said 87 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: yes you messaged me, and I was like, yes, absolutely, 88 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 2: So I think I mean, how often are the Olympics 89 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: there every four years, and so I just think this 90 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: is the time to seize it and do it, and 91 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 2: it's been so much fun so far. 92 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 3: You mentioned working with Yahoo obviously or maybe not obviously. 93 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure it will be in the intro to this podcast. 94 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 3: But two time Olympian, three time medallist, how does it 95 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: feel sixteen years later to be on this side of things? 96 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: It feels good? 97 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: And I wasn't sure if I was going to say that, 98 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,799 Speaker 2: so obviously kind of went into this Olympics like okay, 99 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: like like, yeah, you don't know, right, You don't know 100 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: till you get here. You don't know to your sitting 101 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 2: at finals watching your first I mean, my first swimming 102 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 2: final session since I competed in Beijing in two thousand 103 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 2: and eight, So there's no way to really prepare for that. 104 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: Like I was talking with my therapist the. 105 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: Day before I flew out and he's like, just sit 106 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: with it however you feel you feel. 107 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, but that's like. 108 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: A very anxious producing thing to be on the plane, 109 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: like okay, Like I don't know what I'm gonna feel. 110 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: Am I gonna have an emotional breakdown? Am I gonna cry? 111 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 2: I actually had tears of joy, huh, which was really 112 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: It just tells me I was ready to come back, 113 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: and people listening probably like six they're like sixteen years. Yeah, 114 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: but there just was so much work that has gone 115 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: into this, and yeah, I have my I would say 116 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: I've been saying five percent. I've been having my five 117 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: percent of moments where I'm like, ah, like I feel 118 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 2: a pain here or poll there. But ninety five percent 119 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: is like okay, like I feel really grateful to be 120 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: here and doing what I'm And. 121 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 3: It's really impressive to hear about the work that you 122 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: did to prepare for this moment, recognizing what was in 123 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 3: your control. 124 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, because there was only so much. 125 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 3: That you could do to visualize what it would look 126 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 3: like for you to be back in that space, to 127 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 3: think about how you could feel, and then getting here 128 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 3: and allowing yourself to let whatever came up come up. 129 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, which is yeah, just I mean I'm saying that, like, oh, 130 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: just whatever, I feel feel like, there's just been there's 131 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,239 Speaker 2: a lot of I actually feel like the week before leaving, 132 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: I had some meltdowns, Like I just the anticipation of 133 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: like the unknown is obviously stressful for anybody, But I 134 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: think once I got on the plane, I was like, okay, Okay, 135 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: I think we're good. 136 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: I think we're good. 137 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 2: And then I found myself having more happy tears than 138 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: sad tears here, which has been really neat to see. 139 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: And I think part of it is because my podcast, 140 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: like getting to talk to the majority of the athletes 141 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: that you're watching right now, at least on the swimming side, 142 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: has helped me feel so connected. So I'm not really 143 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: thinking about like my own stuff or things like that. 144 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 2: I'm more like, I'm more getting emotional for the athletes 145 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: because I know what's happening behind the scenes and what 146 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 2: they're feeling and all of that. 147 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, can you talk us through a little bit for 148 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,559 Speaker 3: those that may not be familiar with your story where 149 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 3: some of those emotions are coming from. 150 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I made my first team in two thousand 151 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: and four, like a little baby fifteen year old, and 152 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: my first games were not fun, I mean, just very overwhelming, 153 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: felt like I was watching myself the whole time and 154 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: didn't have a successful Olympic Games and so like didn't 155 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: make the final and there was just a lot of 156 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: pressure on me like everybody, but it. 157 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: Just didn't go well. 158 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: And then two thousand and eight, I up the ante again, 159 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: made six events, five individual one relay and two thousand 160 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: and eight was the Games of Michael Phelps, and so 161 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 2: a lot of the expectations on me were pinned on 162 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: me as like the female Phelps, which I I didn't 163 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: ask for it obviously an honor, but I wasn't going 164 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: for eight gold medals. And so I think the thing 165 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: that really gets me right now is I came away 166 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: from those Games with three medals, one silver and two bronze, 167 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: and I didn't want a gold medal. That's, let's face it. 168 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: Like everyone can say like, yes, like we want metals, 169 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: but like you're gunning for gold, like that is the goal. 170 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: And so when that doesn't happen, obviously you're disappointed, and that. 171 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: Will those feelings will never go away of that. 172 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: But I've more come to terms with them, come to 173 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: peace with it, I think now watching you know, watching 174 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 2: someone like Reagan Smith even two nights ago. 175 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: You know, she was here in Tokyo. 176 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 2: She got a bronze, she got a silver, and then 177 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: she broke the world record at Charles and the hunter backstroke, 178 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 2: and then she got touched out for a gold medal, 179 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: and so like watching those things, I'm just like wanting 180 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: so badly for these people to get to where I 181 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 2: know they want to because I know exactly what that 182 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 2: feels like. 183 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 184 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's completely understandable, right that you don't work hard 185 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 3: for things not to go as you'd hoped. 186 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, no one does. 187 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 3: In reality, you then get to decide what you do 188 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 3: when that happens, right, And that choice at times might 189 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: feel easier than others when you are working on something 190 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 3: that happens once every four years. 191 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a limited edition opportunity. 192 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's not you people ask like, oh my gosh, 193 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 2: like how does it feel, you know, is it so amazing? 194 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: And the answer is yes. 195 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: But I think for a lot of these athletes, I've 196 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: actually been able to understand being here and watching why 197 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: people don't get it, because I'm sitting here and I'm like, 198 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, there's such a highlight. 199 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: Reel like it, and it is. 200 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: It's so amazing to be an Olympian, but it's so 201 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: hard to manage everything, the logistics, the back and forth, 202 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: to the pool, to the venues, the food that like, 203 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: all of those things. And so I think the pressure 204 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: is I mean, I would say the highest of really 205 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 2: any you know, at least football and basketball it's like 206 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 2: once a year, you know, and so thinking if you 207 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 2: think of that every four years, it can be very 208 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 2: hard to manage. Yeah, and so I just like, I 209 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: feel like I'm on pins and needles. I don't know 210 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: how people watch. 211 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: It's way harder to watch. Sometimes it's challenging. 212 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 3: It's really challenging for me in the bar down the 213 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 3: street cheering. I will tell you I'm having a really 214 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 3: hard time down there. But what I also will say 215 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 3: is knowing what it could be like to come in first, 216 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 3: to accomplish that goal and then coming up short. Clearly, 217 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 3: that's not a feeling that just happens. Yes, it happens 218 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 3: at that point in time, but there are going to 219 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 3: be other things in life where you come up short 220 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 3: and you have to have this talk with yourself to 221 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 3: help yourself get back up after that difficult moment. What 222 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: have strategies been like for you in the past that 223 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 3: you've used maybe to yes, deal with that Olympic disappointment, 224 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 3: but then now in your life today to navigate the 225 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 3: hurdles as they come. 226 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's what we talked about before, is 227 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: just like letting yourself feel and not my therapist says yourself. 228 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 2: He's like, that's shooting all over yourself, which I'm like, 229 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 2: that's funny say that I'm. 230 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: Eleven years old. 231 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: But no, I think for me that has been the 232 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 2: shift of just I place so much judgment on how 233 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: I was feeling, like, oh, I shouldn't feel this way, 234 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: I shouldn't feel that way. It's like no, no, no, 235 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: Like your emotions are gonna come, Sit with them, don't 236 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 2: try to just push them down or push them aside, 237 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: like they're your emotions for a reason, and then kind 238 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 2: of take a step back and analyze why that's happening. 239 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,599 Speaker 2: And it just gives you so much information about yourself. 240 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: What patterns are am I bringing in here and there? 241 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: Right? 242 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: And I think that's something in the past couple of 243 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: years I've been able to do a really good job of, 244 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: which is. 245 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: Why I'm here. 246 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't be here if I hadn't kind 247 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: of figured out or unlocked that a little bit. And 248 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: I think that's the piece where people get stuck and 249 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 2: can't overcome a hurdle. Is they just they just kind 250 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 2: of push it down and don't try to just be like, oh, huh, ok. 251 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 3: Katie, what's the unlock it's the unlocke. Well you're saying 252 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 3: like I've locked it. I'm like, what's the unlock for 253 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 3: those that are trying to unlock it? 254 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: I mean the unlock for me was that I am 255 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 2: good enough to be here. You know, I think for 256 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: so long I just was like Okay, well, like it 257 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: didn't go exactly how I wanted, and so I'm just 258 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: going to move on and like no one cares, and 259 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: it's like the total opposite. It's just the energy that 260 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 2: I'm bringing to it. 261 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: Right. 262 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 2: Like, I had this moment last year and I said 263 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: to my husband, I was like, oh my gosh, like 264 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: I just feel like everyone's like so much more like respectful. 265 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: And he was like, no, they've always been like that. 266 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 2: You were just not yourself, Like you were just not 267 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: accepting of it and putting out that energy is like 268 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: nothing's changed about everybody else. 269 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: You're the one it's changed. Energy attracts like energy, yes, period. 270 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. So whether we're talking about a scenario like this, 271 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 3: you're walking down the street, you're going to a coffee shop, 272 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: you're showing up at your office, You're going to be 273 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 3: met with what you bring exactly hard stop. So for 274 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: you now to be in this place where you're not 275 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 3: accepting of what happened, but now you're understanding how to 276 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 3: make your day to day work for you. 277 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 278 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: It's a really special opportunity and a beautiful place to 279 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 3: be in. 280 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like, for the first time of 281 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: my life, I've been able to actually sit there for 282 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: a second and recognize it. 283 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: I still have work to do on that. 284 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 2: Of just like we all do right, well the box, 285 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: check the box, go go, go, go go, But I 286 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 2: think I've been able to actually have moments here where 287 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, I did that. You know, I did this, 288 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: and these things are happening because I've made a shift, 289 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: because I've put it out there, because I've said yes 290 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: to everything. 291 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: But that's all me. 292 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 2: And it feels really like even uncomfortable to kind of 293 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: say that now. But I genuinely over the last couple 294 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: of days have been like dang, like cool, Like I'm 295 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: in a good spot. 296 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: You're in a good spot. 297 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 3: Yea, you're in a good spot. You know what I 298 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 3: call this? But the bet on your celf era, oh yeah, 299 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 3: I am you love to hear. 300 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: I am deep. I'm not even a huge Tailor Swift fan. 301 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 3: I will not say I'm not a Tailor Swift fan, 302 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 3: but I'm not like a swiftie, you know, I'm more 303 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 3: of a belief But I'm like, oh wow, okay, yeah, okay, 304 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 3: that was a statement. 305 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: I'm not not a Taylor Swift fan, but I wouldn't. 306 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 3: I will say that, Like obviously, when you say the 307 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 3: word era, I think it's automatically equivalent with Taylor Swift. 308 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: Now with that said, I just noticed for myself and 309 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 3: through the work that I've done with my coach, that 310 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 3: the beautiful things that happen when you start to bet 311 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 3: on yourself are remarkable. And when you start to say 312 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 3: like I am worthy of this, I am deserving of 313 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 3: this again, energy attracts like energy, and other people feel 314 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 3: that way about you as well. And so, for instance, 315 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 3: like showing up to Paris, I was like, I'm going 316 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 3: to come here no matter what, and then really awesome 317 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: stuff started to happen. Yeah, and we're sitting here right 318 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 3: now in this beautiful space. And so I truly believe 319 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 3: that you never regret betting on yourself, and when you 320 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 3: do again, really awesome things are going to happen, are 321 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 3: bound to happen. I love what you said before about 322 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 3: how you feel so much pressure, not just in maybe. 323 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: What you're doing now, but when you were in the 324 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: pool as well. 325 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 3: And I think that it's safe to say that a 326 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 3: large part of the reason why so many yourself included, 327 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 3: are feeling so much pressure is because the camera's always on. Yeah, 328 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 3: whether or not you are someone that actually stands in 329 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 3: front of a real camera for work, or you're simply 330 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 3: walking down the street and going to grab a coffee, 331 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 3: you're seeing someone do something like you, and you're thinking 332 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 3: that it's better, or it's different, or I should that 333 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 3: should word again do it some kind of way, and 334 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: that really intensifies what's. 335 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: Going on in the day to day. Do you find that. 336 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 3: Your exposure to social media makes you play a little 337 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 3: bit of that comparison game? 338 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: For sure. It's interesting because there's two sides of it. 339 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: Like my career, oh four OA, Instagram wasn't a thing, 340 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: you know it really, I mean, there was like message 341 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: boards that's like that's how people like talk crap was 342 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: like the message boards, which is wild, yeah, which is 343 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 2: still damaging, but it's not thousands of comments thous things. 344 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: And so while that was really nice, sometimes I'm like, dang, 345 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: it like I kind of watch I was in that era. 346 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: Because it just you know, from a business opportunity. 347 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think the comparison game is tough, and 348 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: I do that check a couple times week where I'm like, 349 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: am I feeling a certain sadness or feeling a certain 350 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: way of comparison? And is it because I'm on social 351 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 2: media right now and I'm scrolling. Because I've always been 352 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 2: an advocate for social media, I've always said, like it 353 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: just watching tiktoks at night, like dumb dances like makes 354 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: me laugh, you know, it helps me stay connected to friends, 355 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: if you know, maybe we don't have time to like 356 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 2: have a full on conversation in a month, you know. 357 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: So I love social media, but I have recently been like, huh, 358 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: like data noted there, Like am I doing that? I 359 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 2: think it's human nature to compare it just is. But 360 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: I think I'm again because I have the awareness and 361 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: because I have that kind of like okay, like noted, 362 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: I'm able to make sure that I'm kind of just 363 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: keeping tabs on it. 364 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, yeah, I mean analyzing your inputs so 365 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 3: you can like understand your output. Yeah, and when you 366 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 3: notice a difference in your output that makes you feel 367 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 3: uncomfortable taking that sense of responsibility and being like this 368 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 3: doesn't serve me, or what is it that's not serving me? 369 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 3: Or what is it that's different? Yeah, I think that 370 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 3: question can be super valuable. What is it that's different 371 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 3: right now that is causing the shift and feeling in 372 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 3: me that maybe I'm not taking stake in, maybe I'm 373 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 3: not paying attention to. 374 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind. 375 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 3: Of like what we were talking about about the importance 376 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 3: of feeling your feelings, like be cognizant of your surroundings 377 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 3: and ask yourself like am I setting myself up for 378 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 3: the best possible scenario? 379 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: And if not, like, are you choosing not to? Yeah? 380 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 2: And I also think the other piece of that that 381 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: I went even further is like why do I not 382 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 2: have gratitude for my things? You know? And that's probably 383 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: the big number, the number one struggle for me right now. 384 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people, but I'm like 385 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: what I'm literally I listed off like twenty things I'm doing, 386 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 2: all these things like why in the world am I 387 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: not sitting here like crying with joy in this moment? 388 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: And those are the times where it then almost forces 389 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 2: me to be like, oh no, but like take a 390 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: look at that list that you just and that does 391 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 2: help me kind of move out of it. Yeah, And 392 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 2: so that's another thing that I'm I'm working on. And 393 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: the grateful thing, the word grateful gratide tude is tough 394 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 2: for me because sometimes again I'm like, but I don't 395 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: know if I necessarily grateful in this moment for that. 396 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: So I've shifted it to what good happened today? Like 397 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 2: what can I genuinely say, like what good happened? I 398 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: don't have to be grateful for in that moment, which 399 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 2: takes the pressure off. It's just like point again, I'm 400 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 2: just like I need to point it out, like be 401 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,479 Speaker 2: aware what goold happened? And like every single day here 402 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 2: I've been able to. I've been doing it here like 403 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 2: as an exercise, like what good happened today? And then 404 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 2: that helps kind of reel me back in from my 405 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 2: downward spiral of whatever I was looking out on social. 406 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, a girlfriend and I that are traveling together. 407 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 3: At the end of each day we talk about the 408 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 3: peach and the pit, like the high and the low 409 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 3: of the day. And it's not so much to bring 410 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 3: attention to the low, but then it goes back to 411 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 3: what we were talking about. 412 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: About learning from the low right. 413 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 3: It's like, if this didn't go as I had hoped, 414 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 3: then is there anything that's within my power to make 415 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 3: sure either that doesn't happen again or change that circumstance 416 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 3: for the next day. 417 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, live and learn, period, Live and learn. 418 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 3: For you now, outside of the work that you are 419 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 3: doing in Paris, talk to us a little bit about 420 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 3: what's exciting you, what you're working on. 421 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm really really excited about our podcasts, the 422 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 2: Unfiltered Waters podcast. It's I mean it's very very newly minted. 423 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 2: I just started it in January and just like literally 424 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 2: on a whim, I did this crazy and intensive called 425 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,479 Speaker 2: the Hoffmann process. I came out of it and I 426 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 2: was like, you know what, I feel like there's a 427 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 2: need for a female led sporting Yes, starting and swimming 428 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: and hoping to move out of it and do all 429 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: other sports, but I just feel like to have that 430 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 2: type of energy where it's going, you know, beneath the 431 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 2: athlete into the person. And I was just like, we're 432 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 2: doing it, And obviously asked Missy and she was like yes. 433 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 2: And so it's been a bit as you know, a 434 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 2: learning experience, and I'm like, oh, I just want. 435 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: To start a podcast. It's like, hey, do you want 436 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: to start a business? 437 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 2: You know, like all the logistics, the editing, all of it. 438 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: So I just feel like we're in a really good 439 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 2: spot with it. And so even being being at trials 440 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: and having people come up and share how we've been 441 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 2: impacted them and share who's listening and why it's important, 442 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: Like I mean, you know, like when you're not in person, 443 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: you don't get that. And so we've even gotten here 444 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 2: at the Olympic Games and so it's been very touching. 445 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 2: It's been very motivating, very cup filling to have that. 446 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 2: And then I just feel like I'm really happy with 447 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 2: like where my husband and I are in both of 448 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 2: our careers in our life. We moved to Nashville about 449 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 2: a year and a half ago and it's like the 450 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 2: best community. 451 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: We have a million sauna coal plunges. 452 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 2: That's all we do, and just I swear buying a 453 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 2: sauna is the best thing you can do for your 454 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 2: social life because people come over and you can't have 455 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 2: your phones. You're just like, we're going to go through 456 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 2: adversity together. In two hundred and twenty degrees and you 457 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: get to know someone on a very deep level. And 458 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: so I think that piece has also been really fun 459 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 2: to feel like we have this incredible community of people 460 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: around us that think that think very similarly and are 461 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: just going after it. 462 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 3: You can't have a sauna or a cold plunge in 463 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 3: your apartment in Brooklyn, like it just doesn't fit. 464 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: So sadly, what about you have a balcony. Wouldn't that 465 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: be a dream? Wouldn't that be a dream inside? I've 466 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: seen people do it. Oh man. 467 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 3: I mean it's not coming in my home because we're 468 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 3: using that space as a recording studio. 469 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: But maybe in another time. Okay, it's an option future, 470 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: it's a future. 471 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 3: Aspiration for me, it's an aspirational accomplishment. I love the 472 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 3: why not me attitude that you spoke about when you 473 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: were talking about starting your podcast. I think as a podcaster, 474 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 3: so often people come to me and they're like, I 475 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: want to start a podcast, but like there are so 476 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,239 Speaker 3: many podcasts, And your attitude was like, not, I want 477 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 3: to start a podcast, but there are so many podcasts. 478 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 3: You're like, no, I'm going to start a podcast for 479 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 3: someone that has a goal and aspiration regardless of what 480 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 3: it might entail, and they are not quite in that 481 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 3: place where they're channeling that why not Me energy. What 482 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 3: advice do you have to offer for someone who was 483 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 3: also chasing a dream that they might have? 484 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 2: I think, and this is not I wish this was 485 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 2: like a silver bullet answer. It's like, there's probably more 486 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 2: work work to be done internally, and I think that's 487 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: why I came out of People don't know. It's like 488 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,959 Speaker 2: a week long intensive but I did a ton of 489 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 2: work around my shame and things that I was carrying. 490 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 2: And I think the reason you don't have that why 491 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 2: not me, which was me for like seven years, is 492 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: because I hadn't come to terms with not feeling enough. 493 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 2: I hadn't, you know, understood why I reacted to certain 494 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 2: situations a certain way, Like there's so many things that 495 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 2: we thought it could be a hold a separate podcast. 496 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 2: But I think I came out of that because I 497 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 2: had addressed those things and then it was instant. It 498 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: was an instant, but it was it felt instant in 499 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: that moment. And so I think a lot of times 500 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 2: when you see someone else do something like that, they're like, oh, 501 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: how do they just like have that instant confidence and 502 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 2: you're like, oh, that's not instant. It is not instant. 503 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: Grew overtime. 504 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 2: Yes, grew over time, But I think that would be 505 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 2: My advice is like, do you know, kind of dive 506 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 2: deep a little bit and then it will come naturally. 507 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 2: But you have to you have to go inward first 508 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,719 Speaker 2: to figure out why you're not feeling that, because that 509 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: can I mean, it's the furthest thing from being able 510 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 2: to force it. 511 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: You can't fake that, No, you really can't. You really can't. 512 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 3: I would be remiss if we didn't at least double 513 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,959 Speaker 3: click on talk a little bit about Hoffman, because you've 514 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 3: mentioned it twice now, So for those that aren't familiar 515 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 3: with what you experienced, what you went through, why didn't 516 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 3: you share a little bit about it. 517 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 518 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 2: So it's essentially a seven day long intensive. I mean, 519 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 2: it's no phone, basically, anything that can distract you. There's 520 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: no workouts, there's no phone, there's no book, there's no computers, 521 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: there's I mean literally you're yourself in front of you 522 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: and you can't hide. And it's actually some mentor of 523 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: mine had gone and at the time I was in Nashville, 524 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: everything was going great like businesses, the best house, the 525 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 2: best friends, and I was crying every day and I 526 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 2: was like, okay, so it's not the external. I kept 527 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 2: being like, Oh, it's this job, it's this city. It's 528 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: like I just kept blaming it. And finally I was like, damn, 529 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 2: it's me. And she told me about it and I 530 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 2: literally went signed up immediately, like didn't even research it 531 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: that much, put. 532 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: Down the deposet and was like I'm in. 533 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: And it's very much based around just like the patterns 534 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: you develop as a kid from your parents, good batter 535 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 2: different and so it's just the awareness first and foremost 536 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: of those which I had, I maybe had awareness of 537 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 2: three of like the twenty of them, so that was 538 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: very eye opening. And then there's a lot of expression, 539 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 2: so like kind of getting out a lot of the 540 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 2: gunk that is built up over the years from a 541 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: verbal perspective, from a physical perspective, from a written perspective. 542 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 2: And then it's like the self compassion, awareness, forgiveness of others, 543 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: forgiveness of yourself, and then new tools and ways of being. 544 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 2: So that's kind of like the journey you go on. 545 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 2: And the best word I have to describe as you 546 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 2: feel light come out and you feel light, and then 547 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: you feel like you have like the tools to then 548 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 2: move forward with life. 549 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: And obviously you're it's not gonna be as perfect as 550 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: the day you get out and you just feel angelic, but. 551 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 2: You have those things to then carry you through to 552 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: be able to kind of face every day. 553 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 3: From the way that you describe it, I would imagine 554 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 3: that it's actually quite difficult. 555 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's like I always use the phrase 556 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: excruciatingly beautiful, like that is the word I use because, 557 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 2: oh my god, yeah, like you. I don't push it 558 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: on many really anyone, because it's if someone and I. 559 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: Saw people whereas like a spouse was like. 560 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 2: You need to go in here, Like if you are 561 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: not ready to full commit, like one thousand percent commit 562 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 2: and be willing to go to that dark place, you 563 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 2: won't you won't see benefits from it. 564 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: So yes, it is. 565 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 2: It is the hardest, one of the hardest things I've 566 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 2: ever done, but at the same time, like so worth it. 567 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so worth it. 568 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 3: It's such a such a super interesting opportunity truly, and uh, 569 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 3: the other thing that piqued my interest was when you 570 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 3: said that you exercised it in like a physical way. 571 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: What did that look like? 572 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 2: I need to know we'll get too too detailed in 573 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 2: case someone goes like that's the thing, Like you're oh. 574 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: So like is this the first don't talk about club? 575 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? 576 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, people, I mean I've shared details with people. 577 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 2: What people say like, you're not supposed to share details 578 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: because it's so whatever. But the thing that was super 579 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 2: unique is like, yeah, you actually have a device and 580 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 2: you're hitting things and you're hitting certain words and you're 581 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 2: hitting and I'm not I'm not super into those things. 582 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 2: And so I came in and I someone had told 583 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 2: me about it, and I was like, Oh, that's going 584 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 2: to be so weird, but again, I'm going to full commit. 585 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: Within two minutes. 586 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: I was like uncontrollably crying, like and I was just like, 587 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 2: what is happening? 588 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: But it works? It works, and so I know there's 589 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: a lot of research around why it works. 590 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 2: But I was just like, there's there's no way that 591 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 2: me hitting this thing how in the world. And I 592 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 2: was very mantra based and I just kept kept going. 593 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's wild, especially being in a room 594 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: of like thirty people doing this. 595 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 3: That was going to be the follow up question was 596 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 3: how many people are around you as you're experiencing. 597 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: This, thirty people, but you feel like you're all the 598 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: only one in the room. Wow. Yeah, it's pretty wild, 599 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: but it's truly so well. 600 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 3: And then when you came home, I know you said 601 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 3: that like individuals are there because their partners were like, 602 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 3: you should go to this, But did you feel as 603 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 3: though you wanted your husband to do it as well? 604 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: I actually didn't. 605 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,479 Speaker 2: I mean, he he was like I want He's all 606 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 2: about personal development and it's like, I'd love to go 607 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: to one similar but I feel like he's a pretty 608 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: self aware dude. And a lot of people are like, 609 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 2: everyone should go. I'm like, I actually don't agree with that. 610 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 2: I think some people should go. I think it would 611 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 2: benefit some people, but I don't necessarily think that it 612 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: would be what he would need. 613 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, no, just super yeah. 614 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 2: Because a lot of people say that, they're like, oh 615 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 2: my god, I definitely have to spend myself so that 616 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: we can communicate in our Huffmann language. 617 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, I think we're okay. I don't 618 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: know if everyone needs to do that. Now. 619 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 3: As a part of your work this week, you've had 620 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 3: the opportunity to be a little over the place and 621 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 3: the best of ways checking out all the different venues, 622 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 3: all the different sports. If you had to do something 623 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 3: that wasn't swimming at this point, with the exposure that 624 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 3: you've had, do you have an answer as to what 625 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 3: that would be beach volleyball? 626 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: Okay, talk to me about the why Carrie Walls jennings 627 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 2: Is become a really good friend. She's also yeah who 628 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 2: sports correspondent, and so just kind of interviewed her on 629 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 2: the podcast, so knowing her story and kind of knowing 630 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 2: a little bit behind the scenes of what they go 631 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 2: through and the excitement, and I just I've always been 632 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 2: such a fan. 633 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: Of beach volleyball. 634 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 2: Actually saw her and Missy May win They're Golden eight 635 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 2: against the Chinese like in the rain, Like it was 636 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 2: like a movie. So I think that one and then 637 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 2: the close second would probably be a track and field. 638 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: I love to hear that. 639 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 3: I also feel as though beach volleyball like would be 640 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 3: in my future. But I also like cannot get off 641 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 3: this idea that I would just love to play on 642 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 3: the US women's national team. If I had to choose 643 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 3: a sport, it would probably be women's soccer. Well, we 644 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 3: talked a lot about your history with swimming and of 645 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 3: course what your relationship is like with it now. Talk 646 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 3: to us about what your relationship is like now with 647 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 3: wellness as a whole and movement. 648 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah, So I feel like it's I feel like 649 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: for me, wellness is not really on like the mental side. 650 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: I actually don't like to work out. I'm being super promised. 651 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: I do it, and I do feel like on the 652 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 2: days that I don't move, I definitely have a you know, 653 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 2: more cloudiness and I don't have as much sharpness in 654 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 2: my decision making and things like that. But I wish, 655 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 2: I wish I was someone who was like, oh, you 656 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 2: know what I really need today A run, Like I 657 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 2: just don't have that. Maybe I will one day, but 658 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: I run. I do a CrossFit when I'm home. I 659 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 2: run two marathons in the past year. Did not like 660 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: it was not my. 661 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: Running signs up for two marathons. I kind of there's a. 662 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 2: Reason I got like pulled into one and my husband 663 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 2: was doing it and then he had a knee injury, 664 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 2: so then I was kind of on my own. 665 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: And then I'd already committed to the second one before I. 666 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 2: Finished the before I even did the first one, which 667 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 2: was a workie move and I was doing I did 668 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 2: the New York City marathon, and I was working for 669 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: a charity, and so it was like on behalf of them, 670 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 2: so it was bigger than myself. 671 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: But then after that I was like, no, I'll do 672 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: half marathons. 673 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: It's great, love that, but I think I just now 674 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 2: like I want to feel fit. I want to look fit, 675 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 2: and so that's I you know, make sure I get 676 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 2: in five times a week and and that's good enough 677 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 2: for me. 678 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 3: Do you feel, aside from obviously you vocalize that feeling 679 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 3: fit and maybe looking a certain amount of fit is 680 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 3: important to you, do you feel like any sort of 681 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 3: external pressure to incorporate these things in your life As 682 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 3: someone who is a former olympian. 683 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: That's a good question. 684 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 2: I feel pressure to answer that I like it, which 685 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 2: I've gotten better at being like no, I actually really don't. 686 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: People are like really or like they're like, you don't 687 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 2: swim anymore, you. 688 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: Know, and I'm like no, Like it just doesn't for me. 689 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 2: So much of swimming, so much of at that point 690 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: in my life was for performance, right, for being like 691 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 2: what filled me up? Was like trying to be the 692 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 2: best in the world, and so it wasn't like swimming 693 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: or those things. Even at an early age for me 694 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 2: was oh, I just like love this environment or this 695 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 2: environment helps my mind. It just I just don't think 696 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 2: it's how i've that's not how I fill up my 697 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 2: cup in that way. And I've tried everything, like I 698 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 2: really have. I'm like, all right, I'm gonna go for 699 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 2: like a crazy lift. I'm gonna get excited about that, 700 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 2: or I'm gonna go try to do a marathon and 701 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 2: see if that and like, so I haven't quite found 702 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 2: it yet, but I'm also kind of like okay with that. 703 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: Like I had a lot of guilt associated with that. 704 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 2: Like I so I finished the New York City Marathon 705 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 2: and I didn't have the emotion that I again thought 706 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 2: I should have. 707 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's all these. 708 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 2: People around me like crying and in like I'm like oh, 709 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 2: And then I felt guilt for not feeling that way. 710 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 2: And I think for me it was just like and 711 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 2: I'm working on it, but like the completion thing didn't 712 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: make me feel proud of myself. Now I'm like I'm 713 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 2: like forty thousand, one hundred and thirty two place, right, 714 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 2: and so that didn't do it for me, and I'm 715 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 2: kind of like. 716 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: Okay, that's okay. 717 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 2: Maybe my thing is in business and maybe that's where 718 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 2: I'm you know, really striving for, and then the fitness 719 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 2: is now. 720 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: Just another thing that I'm doing. So it's been a 721 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: journey with that, for sure. It's been a journey. 722 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 3: But the way that you describe in how you feel 723 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 3: is completely understandable and this broader notion of finding joy 724 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 3: in the journey. And for me, when there have been 725 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 3: times that I've gone after a goal that maybe I 726 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 3: should my should myself, should myself into, I realized when 727 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 3: I got to that goal that it didn't feel as 728 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 3: sweet as a goal that I went after. That the 729 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 3: process was the thing that made me feel so good. 730 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 3: And for instance, like I am likely going to run 731 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 3: the New York City Marathon in November, and as a 732 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 3: part of that, the reason that I want to run 733 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 3: the marathon has absolutely nothing with what's going to happen 734 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 3: on race day. 735 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: Well, it has nothing to do with how I finish 736 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: on race day. 737 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 3: The reason that I want to do it is because 738 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 3: of the journey. It's because I know so many people 739 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 3: right now that are training not only for this race 740 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 3: but for Chicago. 741 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: So many friends. 742 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 3: It's such an opportunity to gather with them, and then 743 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 3: bigger than that, I want to go and have the 744 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 3: funnest day of my life. I have run this marathon 745 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 3: seven times and I have never gone out there and 746 00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 3: like literally not for a second purely enjoyed it or 747 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 3: like just looked at what the last mile was like. Yeah, 748 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 3: and so it's a journey thing, I think, And that's 749 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 3: something that truly has been a really beautiful understanding for me. 750 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 3: I've gotten older about the things that I do and 751 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 3: why I do them, and knowing that where there's a why, 752 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 3: a strong why, there's a way, and then it's just 753 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,959 Speaker 3: up to you to figure out what that way really entails. 754 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree. Yeah, it has to be a strong why. 755 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: You can't just be like, eh, okay, I guess we'll 756 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: do this. Well. 757 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 3: This is like the people that went to Hoffmann and 758 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 3: then they were like not about it exactly, and they 759 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 3: didn't have a strong why, they just had a should yep, 760 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 3: And that just as it isn't going to be the 761 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 3: thing you talked earlier about how you felt as though 762 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 3: you were supposed to do things a certain way, especially 763 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 3: when it came to your swimming career, people looked at 764 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 3: you certain a way as one time Olympic going into 765 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 3: your second Olympics. Now so many years later, when you 766 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 3: look in the mirror, what is it that you see 767 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 3: looking back at you. 768 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 2: I think I look at myself as someone who really 769 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 2: held my my head high and handled everything with grace, 770 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 2: Like I don't have any regrets in that, Like I 771 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 2: went to every single press conference, I was respectful of everyone. 772 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 2: I was a great teammate, and I think as a 773 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,760 Speaker 2: point of pride as well, like I you know, looking 774 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 2: even looking at Olympic trials and looking at some of 775 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 2: the athletes who made it in three events, and I'm like, 776 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I made it in like five individual events, 777 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 2: Like there's definitely a point of pride there now. And 778 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 2: even looking at like I swim four four hundreds and 779 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 2: six two hundreds the first day, first four days of the. 780 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: Games, like that's a lot. But in the moment, it's 781 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: just like no, this is just it's a lot, but 782 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: like this is just what I'm supposed to do. 783 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 2: And so now looking back, I'm like, dang, like you 784 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 2: kind of like rocks it out. That's awesome, you know, 785 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 2: So definitely a lot more pride. Still some twinge of 786 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 2: you know, saying three time medalist and not three time 787 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 2: goal medalists, But I would say overall pride. 788 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 3: And then beyond being an athlete, what is it that 789 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 3: you see when you look in the mirror. 790 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: Then are now? No? 791 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 2: Now I would say just a great I would say 792 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 2: a great mentor a great friend, and a I would 793 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 2: say successful professional woman. 794 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, how does that make you feel when you say it? Weird? Yeah? 795 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 2: I feel like I think, I think this is what 796 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 2: I see, But yeah, I think that that's still a 797 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 2: work in progress for sure. But I think the piece 798 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 2: that let me up the most was just that some 799 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 2: of the athletes have reached out to me and asked 800 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 2: for advice, and so I'm like, Wow, the fact that 801 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 2: I was able to be there in that moment because 802 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 2: of things I've gone through meant so much, so much. 803 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: What a beautiful opportunity that is. 804 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 3: That's what I'm hearing you say is that there's so 805 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 3: many opportunities ahead, and some of them may entail a 806 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 3: lot of things that are unknown, But the unknown is 807 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 3: an opportunity to. 808 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: Get excited as well. Exactly. 809 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 3: Well, I'm so happy that we have the opportunity. But 810 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 3: just sit down for a little bit here today. For 811 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 3: those that might not follow along with you just yet 812 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,720 Speaker 3: on social media, give us the info. 813 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 2: Yes, so on a personal level, it's just KT Hop seven. 814 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 2: And then for the podcast, it's Unfiltered Waters. 815 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 3: Podcast beautiful, I'm over at Emily a Body and at 816 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 3: Hurdle Podcast Another hurdle conquered. 817 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 1: Gotch you guys, next time.