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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Action Network Podcast, the number one show

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to another NFL episode of the

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Speaker 1: Action Network Podcast. I'm Matthew Friedman, the editor in chief

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Speaker 1: of Fantasy Labs. Today we are highlighting the players to

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Speaker 1: avoid in twenty nineteen fantasy football drafts, all the guys

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Speaker 1: with above average potential to bust. So we have a

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Speaker 1: great episode coming up. Here with me is Chris Raybond,

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Speaker 1: a senior editor and analyst at the Action Network and

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Speaker 1: a co host of the Action Network show on Serious

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Speaker 1: sim Fantasy Radio. And joining us is a very special guest,

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Speaker 1: one of the godfathers of the fantasy industry, Sigmund Bloom,

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Speaker 1: a co owner of Football Guys and the host of

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Speaker 1: the On the Couch podcast. Sigmund, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 5: This is great because for a little bit out of

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Speaker 5: the year, everybody gets as obsessed as we are all year.

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Speaker 3: It's fun to share that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a It's a really fantastic time of

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Speaker 1: the year when more and more attention is being given

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Speaker 1: to the fantasy space. We just released our Fantasy one

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Speaker 1: oh one episode, so it really is a time of

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Speaker 1: the year. Everyone be sure to check out that episode

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Speaker 1: and rate and review us on Apple Podcasts or wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Sigmund, let's jump into it. This episode,

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Speaker 1: we are focusing on the bust, but I would be

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Speaker 1: remiss not to hear your thoughts on the players that

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Speaker 1: you actually like. So who are some of the guys

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Speaker 1: that you have gotten the most of in your drafts

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Speaker 1: this year?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think at quarterback you have to look for

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Speaker 5: top three, top five ceiling, so that limits my focus

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Speaker 5: to players like Carson Wentz, Kyler Murray Lamar Jackson. And

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Speaker 5: I'll even take Patrick Mahomes. I think that he could

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Speaker 5: usually outperform what he did last year. With the additions

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Speaker 5: carry on Johnson, a lot of Davonte Freeman, although sometimes

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Speaker 5: that's mutually exclusive. Nick Chubb has really bubbled to the

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Speaker 5: top of that second round running back group. I'm liking

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Speaker 5: Justice Hill and Damian Harris. Later on in drafts, I

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Speaker 5: was taking a lot of Darryl Henderson. Tapping the breaks

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Speaker 5: on that, but you like the unknown upside, the allure

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Speaker 5: of the rookie running backs, wide receivers fertile. Between the

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Speaker 5: fifth and ninth rounds, there's a lot of players with

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Speaker 5: I still think that he's destined for greatness and we

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Speaker 5: Alan Robbinson, Dante Pettis. You know, we're tapping the breaks

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Speaker 5: lot of levels to tight end. This year, I take

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Speaker 5: Travis Kelce in the first round. Sometimes I'll take oj

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Speaker 5: up guys like Mark Andrews and Dallas Goddard, who's also

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Speaker 3: So I think the theme this year is you could.

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Speaker 5: Really take a team that is your guys and there

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Speaker 5: This is a bad part of the drafters this position,

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Speaker 1: Year, Raybon, I want to kick it to you. One

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Speaker 2: So, you know, I kind of I wasn't taking Henderson

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Speaker 1: You mentioned that this feels like a year where you

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Speaker 5: Well, the short answer that I would give to this is,

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Speaker 5: I'm shooting to make a team that makes the league

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Speaker 5: And some of this is personal because I know we

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Speaker 5: I'm thinking a credible best case scenario that will make

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Speaker 5: And I like optimism, whether it's about the player, the situation,

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Speaker 3: We saw it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you there. And one of those things

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Speaker 1: So if you get a few of those during your draft,

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Speaker 5: So I would say a bust is a material underachiever.

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Speaker 5: And when I say a material what I mean is

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Speaker 5: not just that they underperform expectations, but they underperform expectations

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Speaker 5: some good moment for me to say, quote one of

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Speaker 5: my colleagues at Football Guys, Matt Waldman. The draft is

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Speaker 3: So we spend a lot of time on the draft.

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Speaker 5: I think it's the most fun part of fantasy football,

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Speaker 5: and it's the time we have months and months to anticipate.

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Speaker 5: The others we don't give as much attention. But oftentimes

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Speaker 5: I think it's impossible for anybody you draft, to say,

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Speaker 3: That's a player that's basically a bust.

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Speaker 5: A lot of people look at David Johnson last year

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Speaker 5: When you look at cumulative stats, he was an unmitigated bust.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's a I mean he David Johnson in

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Speaker 5: maybe they're not a bust if they're not an every

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Speaker 5: but you still can measure that performance against the expectations.

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Speaker 5: And then at a certain point, like I again, I'm

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Speaker 3: I mean, go for it. I think that there's no

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Speaker 1: Draft, Chris, what are your thoughts on how you should

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think Sigmund hit on it for the

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Speaker 2: most part. I just kind of look at a player

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Speaker 2: the results didn't outweigh that. So I mean, you could

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Speaker 2: about the opportunity costs. As far as injuries, I don't

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Speaker 2: really consider them busts because I don't think you can

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Speaker 4: But if you take a risk.

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Speaker 2: I'm still calling him a bus But if like DeVante

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Speaker 2: Week one, I mean it's not a bust in the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense for me and for probably everyone else.

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Speaker 1: Todd Gurley is kind of like the clear guy that

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Speaker 5: People don't know that he's still pretty new to the

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Speaker 5: I think Patrick Mahomes can absolutely exceed what he did

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Speaker 1: Mahomes is someone that you are not scared of taking

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Speaker 5: Well, Andrew, look is you know that's kind of low

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Speaker 5: He makes some but you would watch other quarterbacks and

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Speaker 3: We could be back where we were when we can.

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Speaker 5: You know, watching the game, watching the Packers' offense is

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Speaker 1: All right, Raymond, I have a feeling that Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Rogers is definitely the efficiency hasn't been

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Speaker 4: You need to know.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's not really any risk right when you're taking

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Speaker 1: Raymond, you agree with that. You think Newton is a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's right there in line with where you can

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Speaker 5: don't like uncertainty when we're making We could start talking

437
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,440
Speaker 5: about Ezekiel Elliott and Melvin Gordon here too, an idea

438
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,679
Speaker 5: of uncertainty and how it affects players value and our

439
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,360
Speaker 5: willingness to take them. And we might be doing rankings

440
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,679
Speaker 5: in a vacuum and thinking about it, but then when

441
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,359
Speaker 5: you're on the clock, that's where intuition comes in, and

442
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 5: that gut feeling which isn't mysterious or mystical. It's your brain,

443
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 5: your supercomputer, taking all the information and data and experience

444
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,159
Speaker 5: we have and reducing it down to kind of a

445
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,639
Speaker 5: yum or a yuck feeling. And what sticks with me,

446
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 5: that gives me that yuck feeling about Gurley is the

447
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 5: Rams have not been straight with us about this from

448
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,119
Speaker 5: the beginning. We can read into their actions, you know,

449
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,879
Speaker 5: bring them back, Malcolm Brown moving up to draft, Darryl

450
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 5: Henderson putting Gurley on the veteran plan. But the other side,

451
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 5: you can do the glass half full stuff and say,

452
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 5: everybody is reporting he looks like good old Todd Gurley

453
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,239
Speaker 5: in camp and just as explosive, and he hit the

454
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 5: top speed that he hit in the past. And I'm

455
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 5: not worried about that. What I'm worried about is, Ay,

456
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 5: what will the Rams do to preserve him as they

457
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 5: expect to play well into the playoffs? And b if

458
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,639
Speaker 5: it does happen that he aggravates the knee, whether it

459
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 5: be in practice or in a game, how can we

460
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,159
Speaker 5: trust the Rams to be straight with us about the

461
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 5: condition of his knee and the workload he's going to get.

462
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 5: And then, of course, the last part of this is

463
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 5: in the fantasy playoffs that matter, the weeks that matter

464
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 5: the most to us, Those are the weeks that they

465
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 5: would be most likely, especially if they're successful, to take

466
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 5: the foot off the gas with him and ease him

467
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 5: into the playoffs. The one positive thing I will point

468
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 5: out here is the two new starters, Joseph Noteboom and

469
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 5: Brian Allen on the offensive line, which was another level

470
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 5: of uncertainty. They've been doing well enough that Sean mcvay's

471
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,959
Speaker 5: treating them like in trench starters and basically not going

472
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 5: to play them in the preseason.

473
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Speaker 3: So that's a good.

474
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 5: Sign for this offense continuity among the top five to

475
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 5: sixty seven offenses in the league. I just can't trust

476
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 5: them to be straight with us about Todd Gurley when

477
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 5: things go wrong. If they don't go wrong all season,

478
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 5: people look very smart for taking him.

479
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 1: Rayon, What is the earliest that you would consider taking

480
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley now?

481
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 2: Probably the sometime in the third round. You know, I've

482
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 2: I've been kind of steadily moving him down my draft board,

483
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 2: you know, kind of looking at what the Rams are

484
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 2: gonna do it. I think the upside pick here, I mean, yeah,

485
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 2: it's Henderson for obvious reasons. I mean a lot of

486
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 2: the call, a lot of the ceiling is kind of

487
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 2: taken out of the fact that he's already going in

488
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: those middle rounds. But I think you gotta take Malcolm

489
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 2: Brown late because this is a guy that over half

490
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 2: of his carriers come in the fourth quarter. They're gonna

491
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,239
Speaker 2: kind of use him in that clock killing role. This

492
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 2: is a team that I think Sean Corner hasn't favored.

493
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 4: In fourteen games.

494
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, They're gonna be in that in

495
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: those situations.

496
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 4: Where Brown could get some work.

497
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: In addition to the fact that if Gurley gets hurt,

498
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 2: they're not just making Henderson twenty carry guy. They're going

499
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,479
Speaker 2: to use Brown, or at least they're gonna use him

500
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: for a couple of games maybe and see how it goes,

501
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: until you know, they feel like they have to make

502
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 2: another move, maybe like a CJ. Anderson last year, which

503
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 2: happened of course when Brown was out. So I think

504
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 2: if they Brown is there, maybe they don't even sign him.

505
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 2: So I really like taking Brown late a lot more

506
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 2: than I like taking Gurly early.

507
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Gurley for you, still in that bus category, Sigmund,

508
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: Before you talk about the running backs that seem like

509
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: potential bust I want a little strategy here. How heavily

510
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 1: do you invest in the running back position early in

511
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: the draft in an attempt to make your team as

512
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: bust proof as possible.

513
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 5: I don't think you need to take a running back

514
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 5: in the first two rounds this year. The third round

515
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 5: is rich with running backs who have top ten upside.

516
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 5: I mean, Devontae Freeman has proven top five upside, and

517
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 5: he's in a role that sets him up for that.

518
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 5: Of course, he has an injury history to weigh against

519
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 5: that even in the fourth round. I think as long

520
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 5: as you can still get someone like Chris Carson in

521
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 5: the fourth round, I go into the season with carry

522
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 5: On Johnson and Chris Carson with my two running backs,

523
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 5: I'm feeling fine. Otherwise, to make your team bust proof,

524
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 5: I suppose you can go back to the old school

525
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 5: running back heavy draft plan, and you could go running

526
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 5: back in the first four rounds and even have one

527
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 5: that's sitting on your bench early in the season if

528
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 5: your first three are all clicking, and then with the

529
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 5: running back injury rate, and I think running backs are

530
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 5: very environment sensitive, so you know, David Johnson again comes

531
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 5: up where if a team goes south, they'll take the

532
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 5: running backs prospects with them. Sometimes that's how to make

533
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 5: your team bus proof.

534
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 3: But then you.

535
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 5: Also take a lot of upside out of your weekly

536
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 5: lineup because you're essentially not going to measure up to

537
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 5: the Mahomes team at quarterback. You're not going to measure

538
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 5: up to the teams to take the top three tight ends.

539
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 5: Maybe you might find that one who crashes the party,

540
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 5: and then wide receiver, you're probably not going to measure

541
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 5: up at least in terms of number one wide receivers,

542
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 5: although I think there's a lot of players with the

543
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 5: number two wide receivers. So again, I want to say,

544
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Speaker 5: I'm getting ready to write my master plan article later

545
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 5: this week, and I think this is the first year

546
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 5: that I can remember where you can go with mix

547
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 5: and match draft plans like a Chinese menu, where you

548
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 5: can really put together. Okay, I want to do early

549
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 5: quarterback and tight end. I want to do early running back.

550
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 5: I want to do early wide receiver, and they all

551
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 5: work because there's a lot of players that have that

552
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 5: arrow pointing up at every position.

553
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: All right, Sigmund, who are the running backs you are

554
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: explicitly looking to stay away from? Yeah, at least at

555
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: their current eighties.

556
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 3: Sure.

557
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 5: Sure, I'm not taking Leveon Bell. I'm not going to

558
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 5: take Levo Bell in the first round. I'm not going

559
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 5: to take him ahead of Nick Chubb, probably going to

560
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 5: take him ahead of Joe Mixon.

561
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 3: So I'm not taking him. I just think that, uh,

562
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 3: there's just.

563
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 5: Too many unknowns here with Adam Gasee, with the Jets

564
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 5: offensive line, with how much of the situation. So I

565
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 5: think I'm skipping ahead here in some ways to wide receiver.

566
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 5: But how much of Antonio Brown and Leveon Bell's value

567
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 5: was created by their surroundings? How much of Bell's value

568
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 5: whenever you see D'Angelo Williams and James Connor, whoever was

569
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,959
Speaker 5: in for the Steelers was scoring like an the lead

570
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 5: fantasy running back. Is it possible that it was the

571
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 5: situation that was creating the value and not the player.

572
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 5: I don't want to find that out spending a high

573
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 5: pick on Bell, you know, Melvin Gordon is I get it,

574
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 5: like if you're in a high stakes contest where you're

575
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 5: looking for that team that has to stand out in

576
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 5: a group of one thousand, not just a group of twelve,

577
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 5: Melvin Gordon makes sense. Fade the holdout and you know,

578
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 5: if he shows up besides the contract or plays under

579
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 5: the fifth year option, then your golden if you get

580
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 5: him in the third round. But I take it as

581
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 5: a credible threat that he's going to hold out and

582
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 5: play as few games as possible that he can.

583
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: Was Derrick Henry at this point.

584
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 5: I mean, look, one really sound I don't necessarily like

585
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 5: to play the percentages in my drafts, but I think

586
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 5: one really sound strategy might be to just avoid players

587
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 5: who've already broken the injury seal. You know, if we

588
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,959
Speaker 5: already know they're hurt in August, they're not gonna get

589
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 5: healthier as the season goes on. So Dereck Henry, they

590
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 5: originally put a timetable of two weeks. What are we

591
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 5: at now, guys like three weeks? He's what sand pit

592
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 5: working on the side. I mean, there's already some risk

593
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 5: about Tennessee and game script and things like that. I

594
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 5: just think they're a lot more attractive bringing backs around

595
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 5: the time Derek Henry goes off the board.

596
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: All right, rayvond what do you think of those players?

597
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: And then who are some of the guys you were

598
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: looking to avoid?

599
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,479
Speaker 2: Listen Bell, I get it, it's the unknown. And I

600
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 2: will say that I don't really draft running backs at

601
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: that point in the draft, So from that point, I

602
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: get it, I'm usually taking wide receiver wide receiver from

603
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 2: that middle to the end of that first round and

604
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: coming back with another pass catcher. But I think Bell,

605
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: just because of the volume and because there's only so

606
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: many players in this league that a coach would be

607
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 2: willing to give the kind of volume that we know

608
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 2: Bell can get too. And I think Bell is still

609
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 2: one of those guys. Adam Gase didn't want to pay him,

610
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: but they went out and paid him, and so I

611
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: think Gase is gonna use him.

612
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 4: I'm not worried about him.

613
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 2: I don't think he'll have as much touchdown upside obviously

614
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 2: as he did in Pittsburgh, but he was actually never

615
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: There was a lot of years in Pittsburgh where he

616
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 2: wasn't kind of a top end touchdowns or so I'm

617
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: not worried about Bell as much.

618
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 4: Henry.

619
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,719
Speaker 2: I think you have to wait a couple more weeks.

620
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: I think when guys are questionable in the week leading

621
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 2: up to the season and they're still hurt, that's when

622
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 2: I really worry. A lot of times nowadays with these timetables,

623
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: teams are just kind of spitball and you don't really know,

624
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: you know, if the initial timetable just threw you off,

625
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 2: or what's really going on. If they got they suffered

626
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: a setback. So I'm not worried about about him yet.

627
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: But I think that you know, Girly I'm avoiding right now.

628
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: Darius Geiss is a guy that I'm avoiding right now.

629
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: Rashad Penny is a guy that I think still goes

630
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: too high for the simple fact that the Seahawks gave

631
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: Carson twenty and a half touches per game from Week

632
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: three on. Rashad Penny did not play in the playoffs.

633
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: Rashad Penny did not get a target on third or

634
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: fourth down. They're talking about Carson as catching more passes

635
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: without really mentioning Penny. They're talking about implementing a third

636
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: downback either pro size or makiss it, without mention of Penny.

637
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: There are just too many scenarios in which Penny gets

638
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: essentially the lowest leverage carries unless Chris.

639
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 4: Carson goes down.

640
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: And I just I'm not gonna make a habit of

641
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: just betting on a running back going down. I mean,

642
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: they're gonna, you know, on average, the're gonna miss two

643
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: to three games, and maybe you get two or three

644
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: games of upside from Penny, but I don't really like

645
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: where he's going. And then, yeah, Gordon, I'm not touching

646
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: and Ezekiel Elliott I usually still take at number four,

647
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: not in the top three. But I'm starting to get

648
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: a little bit concerned with the whole situation, just because

649
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: I think that they could behave a little differently when

650
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: it comes to how they proceed if he's not back

651
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: on the field. In the past, you had Alfred Morris

652
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: kind of coming there and just take the whole workload.

653
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: But you know, they have Kellen Moore kind of calling

654
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: the shots. Now they have Pollard, so they might go

655
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: with a committee backshield. And I just don't know that

656
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: I can kind of recoup the lost value, you know,

657
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 2: the way I could before by just kind of taking Morris.

658
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of getting a little bit worried about

659
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: taking Zeke that high at this point. And then Montgomery

660
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 2: I still think is going a little bit high. But

661
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: but Geist is the one guy I mean I am.

662
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: I'm just zero complete zero, Darius guys three. I don't

663
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: like a three way committee for one of the worst

664
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: teams in the league that that is still talking about

665
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: starting Colt McCoy a quarterback, Like, I don't want none

666
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: of it. Sick.

667
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on Ezekiel Elliott? Yeah, then also Darius guys.

668
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, Elliott is a little bit tougher too than Gordon,

669
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 5: because look, when Gordon was going in the mid late

670
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 5: first round, I was already hesitant because tow out the

671
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 5: last few years he wasn't there for us in the

672
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 5: fantasy playoffs, whereas Elliott. If Elliott was in camp right now,

673
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 5: I'd be advocating taking him number one. I think he

674
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 5: set up for his best season. Yet the Cowboys offense

675
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 5: is set up for their best season. Yet you know

676
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 5: a little bit concerned about this potential for Mark Cooper,

677
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 5: watch out for Michael Gallup. But the heel issue that

678
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 5: is lingering, you know again, like Chris is saying a

679
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 5: lot of these things like we just need to stay tuned,

680
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 5: monitor for more information, and the information will tell us

681
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 5: how to act. So Elliott at number four, I think

682
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 5: he nailed it. That's where the break point is. I

683
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 5: don't expect Elliott's hold out to be well into the season.

684
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: All of the reporting has been positive.

685
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 5: So what's really funny about this, guys, is we can

686
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 5: look at what comes out in these situations and we

687
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 5: can do forensics like detective work and say who put

688
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 5: that out there and why are they putting it out there?

689
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 5: And there was some stuff from the Cowboys through like

690
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 5: Clarence Hill and some of the other longtime beat writers.

691
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 5: I want to say that somebody, maybe Stephen Jones even

692
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 5: looked directly at the camera and said like basically call us.

693
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,239
Speaker 5: You know, they're saying like we've made offers and we

694
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 5: just want the players to come back to the table.

695
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 5: So I've heard Josina Anderson and some of the other

696
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 5: people reporting on this, Calvin Watkins, there's generally a positive

697
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 5: tone that something is going to get done, where there

698
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 5: isn't that positive tone around Melvin Court. So I'm willing

699
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 5: to take that chance on Ezekiel Elliott in the fourth spot,

700
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 5: and if I see him after that, I'll definitely take him.

701
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 5: And then I do think to what Chris was saying

702
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 5: about the backup, some of this could be saber rattling

703
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 5: to get Ezekiel Elliott back into camp. They are so

704
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 5: positive about Tony Pollard. Uh, and this is a case

705
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 5: where it might just be that Darryl Henderson was so

706
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 5: good and that's what kept Tony Pollard off the field.

707
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 5: But he also is an NFL caliber back. So I

708
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 5: like taking Tony Pollard. If you have any concerns or

709
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 5: doubts about Ezekiel Elliott showing up this year or for

710
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 5: the first few games.

711
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: Poward like he could kind of put up Henderson value.

712
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: But also if you're you kind of mentioned if you're

713
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: if you're taking Zeke, maybe take.

714
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: Poward Dak Prescott.

715
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: I mean, if Zeke misses time, you kind of you said,

716
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: the Cowboys offense, you know, set up, uh, since I

717
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: have probably the most success they would have yet.

718
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 4: And I think that's true. Kellen Moore.

719
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: I think some of the additions they made as well.

720
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: So I think if Zeke is out, I think Dak

721
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: Prescott could really really explode because he's.

722
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 4: Going to be asked to do a little more through

723
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 4: the air.

724
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: And he's finally got the kind of uh supporting cast

725
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: that if the running back is not there, you know,

726
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: gobbling up all these yards, you know, he'll have Pollard

727
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: on the field more. That's the guy who probably do

728
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: even more than Elliott, you know, catching the football. So

729
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,239
Speaker 2: I think there's a upside it if we're like, if

730
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: you're in best ball, you want to balance those shares,

731
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: we would take in Prescott as well.

732
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: One more running back. We have to talk about Damian Williams.

733
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of debate on Twitter about what

734
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: to do with him. He's missed a significant amount of

735
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: training camp with a hamstring injury. There were already kind

736
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: of concerns about his lack of production to this point

737
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: in the NFL, minus the four game sample that he

738
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: had last year with the Chiefs when he was the

739
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: lead back. Siegmund, what are you doing with Damian Williams.

740
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 5: It feels like when we go back in our minds

741
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 5: to players like this, like Alex Collins comes to mind

742
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 5: right away last year, and I was caught hold of

743
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 5: the bag on Alex Collins because I thought we'd seen

744
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 5: enough in a limited sample size. The situation was good enough,

745
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 5: especially with Lamar Jackson entering the scene, that I'm satisfied

746
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 5: a competent back in the he'd proven he was in

747
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 5: this situation can continue to produce the kind of numbers

748
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 5: he was producing last year. And that's where we're at

749
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 5: with Damian Williams. I think we just haven't seen track

750
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 5: record to make us feel like we know he'll hold

751
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 5: up for sixteen games. And then we're reading the tea

752
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 5: leaves through. Eric Bnemey says he's the starter. Andy Reid

753
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 5: says we're gonna do something like a committee. We see

754
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 5: Damian Williams gain in the first rep in camp now

755
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 5: that he's back, but then maybe the third rep goes

756
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 5: to hide or the fifth rep goes to Daryl Williams,

757
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 5: or today it was Darwin Thompson mixing in at the

758
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 5: goal line, and can we really say, Darma Thompson looked magnificent.

759
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 5: And I know he's running with the two's and the

760
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 5: threes and on special teams, so they're treating him like

761
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 5: a rookie who has to climb, climb and claw his

762
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 5: way up. But you wouldn't shock us if we see

763
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 5: Darwin Thompson making the same or more out of the

764
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 5: touches that Damian Williams had those touches out in space

765
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 5: in the passing game. Because that's what's so enticing about this.

766
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 5: This is offense is probably gonna be the most productive

767
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 5: offense in the league. Again, So the running back for

768
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 5: Kansas City is going to be a running back one

769
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 5: if they give someone fifteen to eighteen touches and give

770
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 5: them most of the goal line opportunities, I don't trust

771
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,479
Speaker 5: that we can do that. And then the other side

772
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 5: of the equation here is who are you wing Damian

773
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 5: Williams against again Johnson, Devonte Freeman, or.

774
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 3: Maybe you like Leonard Fournette, or maybe you like.

775
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 5: Well, maybe not Marlon Mack as much now, Aaron Jones,

776
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 5: I mean there are other running backs in the third

777
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 5: round that you can be as excited about as Damian Williams,

778
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 5: where their coach isn't coming out and saying we're going

779
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 5: to use a committee, and the practice reports aren't giving

780
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 5: us something to decipher when we try to figure out

781
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 5: who the number.

782
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: One back from the beginning to the end of the

783
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 3: game will be.

784
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: All right, Raymond, are you chasing the league winning upside

785
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: of Damian Williams or do you think he's a bust.

786
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 2: I'm not chasing it, nor do I think he's a bust.

787
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: I think his value is pretty fair and sig hit

788
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 2: on it.

789
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 4: The Kansas City offense. I just don't think you can

790
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 4: go wrong.

791
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: I think the only thing that will happen is though

792
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 2: there will be injuries to who we don't know, but

793
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: somebody will underperform. But like I would not tell anyone,

794
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 2: Like I'm at the point where if you want to

795
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: go draft Mahomes, do it, like like, I don't think

796
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 2: it's a great value, but I think I want shares

797
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: at this point because it think it's right. You know,

798
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: he could absolutely outperform what he do last year and

799
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: Damon Williams. Another guy, I mean Kareem Hunt. When he

800
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: was the starter, you know, he averaged sixteen point eight carries,

801
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: three point six targets Williams in that short five game

802
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: sample when he was a starter, thirteen point eight carries

803
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 2: but five point six targets. Williams is the shotgun back.

804
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: Carlos Hide is not good in the shotgun. However, their

805
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: their offensive line kind of had some shakeup. They're going

806
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: to a little bit more kind of power guys along

807
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: that line, So it makes sense to kind of get

808
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: a guy like Hide in there, get a guy that

809
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: can that can run when you want to be under center.

810
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: But when the team is a shotgun, which is where

811
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: they're most dangerous and where they're going to play a

812
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: lot of their snaps, it's still gonna be Williams. Carlos

813
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: Hide number one fourteen of one point fifteen in terms

814
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 2: of yards per target among running backs since he came

815
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: into the league. So I don't buy andy like the

816
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: committee will just be hey, when it's like, you know,

817
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 2: twenty eight to six in the fourth quarter or something

818
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: like that, Yeah, sure we'll give Hide like eight straight carries.

819
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 4: But I think Williams is going to be in any

820
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 4: time it's close.

821
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: So I'm not worried about taking him or anyone else

822
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 2: on the Kansas City Chiefs, including DeMarcus Robinson, Mikole Hardman,

823
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: Darwin Thompson.

824
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 4: I mean, if anyone all.

825
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 1: Right, let's talk about wide receivers and say you already

826
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: opened the door on Antonio Brown, what are you doing

827
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: with him?

828
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, just don't take him.

829
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 5: I mean, maybe can all work out, but there's enough

830
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 5: reasons to be worried. And the biggest one I think

831
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 5: is just a Western Pennsylvania born and bred Steelers honk.

832
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 5: And there's just no doubt that Ben Roethlisberger gave him

833
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 5: chances to make plays on balls that a lot of

834
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 5: quarterbacks in the league won't. And Derek Carr's at the

835
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 5: other end of the spectrum when it comes to quarterbacking,

836
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 5: where he's safe. He's not going to take chances, he's

837
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 5: not going to throw the ball in the small windows,

838
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 5: he's not going to throw balls to a covered receiver.

839
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 5: I don't see how Antonio Brown can keep up the

840
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 5: level of and I'm obviously if he's even eighty percent

841
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 5: of what he was in Pittsburgh, he'll be a hit now.

842
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 5: But does he fall into the third round maybe even

843
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 5: farther in some drafts. But the volatility on top of

844
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 5: the quarterback to wide receiver for combination, I just it

845
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 5: can't be good for Antonio Brown.

846
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 3: So I'm going the other direction.

847
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: Raymond, what do you think here?

848
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 4: I'm taking him if he's healthy.

849
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 2: If he's healthy, I'm taking him because I think the

850
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: whole problem with Antonio Brown last year. And you know,

851
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: obviously somebody one of maybe the host I think, you know,

852
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: might be famous for kind of bringing this up, but

853
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: you know, he was inefficient last year.

854
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 4: Uh, And I think a big problem was Ben Roethlisberger.

855
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: I think a big problem was kind of how that

856
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: that scheme was laid out where where Antonio Brown was

857
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: near the top of the league in uncatchable passes, and

858
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: Derek Carr he yeah, you're right, said he did. He's

859
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: not really throwing uncatchable passes. But Antonio Brown is also

860
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: not being covered. So I think if anything, maybe Antonio Brown,

861
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: maybe you know, the yards per catch go down, but uh,

862
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: you know, every if you look at Oakland last year,

863
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: it was a lot of stuff underneath. I think the

864
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: guy you worry about a little bit more is is

865
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: a guy like Tyrell Williams, because I think he's a

866
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 2: guy that probably runs some clear outs, running a little

867
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 2: more intermediate stuff. Brown is a guy that you know,

868
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: if like one or two games go by and Brown

869
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: doesn't have ten eleven catches you could, you know he's

870
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: going to make sure that, you know, things get adjusted

871
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: and where he if he's running more underneath routs, and

872
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: I think the the receptions would just go up. So

873
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: I don't think that he's a risk in the sense

874
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: of Car And we all know how much I hate Cars.

875
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 4: As a quarterback. I just don't think he's a very

876
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 4: good quarterback.

877
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: I don't respect a guy who you know just won't

878
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: take chances with the football.

879
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 4: Just that's not how you win in the NFL.

880
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: So not a fan of Car, but I think he

881
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: will be fine for a b It's just a matter

882
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: of is this foot thing no big deal?

883
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 4: Is it somewhat of a big deal?

884
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: Is he gonna like be kind of running a little

885
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: funny on the foot and mess something else?

886
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 4: Like I just want to see him healthy or.

887
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: Know that he's healthy at some point before I'm drafting,

888
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: And if that is the case, I am taking him

889
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: because It's still the best receiver of our generation.

890
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 4: It's not like a washed up Jordy Nelson situation in

891
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 4: my opinion.

892
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: All Right, Ravon, it comes as no surprise that I'm

893
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: going to push back just a little bit on this. Really,

894
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: I think he's going to get a lot of targets,

895
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: and let's assume that the foot thing takes care of

896
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: itself and that he is healthy entering week one. I

897
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: think the plan is to give him a lot of targets.

898
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: So even if they aren't the high leverage, high value

899
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: targets that he was getting previously with Roethlisberger, I think

900
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: he could still turn those into fantasy points. But that's

901
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: the median. There is still that huge downside that comes

902
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: from the injury risk with the feet, the fact that

903
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: he's aging, he could be slowing, the fact that he

904
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: hasn't been able to actually work with Derek Carr to

905
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: develop that chemistry, which is a hugely important part of

906
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: that wide receiver quarterback connection. And then there's this there

907
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: is a real chance, like I think, I mean, I

908
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: don't want to put a per on this, but I

909
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: should just parlay this. I think a very real chance

910
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: that the Raiders start out like oh and seven. Right,

911
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: they could lose in week one to Denver. They're gonna

912
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: be underdogs to Kansas City, in week two, underdogs to Minnesota, Indianapolis, Chicago,

913
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: And weeks three through five they could head into the

914
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: bye oh and five, and then in weeks seven and

915
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: eight they could lose to Green Bay in Houston. What

916
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: happens with Antonio Brown if he is on an oh

917
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: and seventeen? Does he just leave? Does he just retire

918
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: in the middle of the season, Like, does he just

919
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: start tearing up, like literally tearing up the locker room?

920
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: Like we have no idea of knowing how someone like

921
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: that would react if he's on the worst team in

922
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: the league. Like there's I think there's huge downside risk

923
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 1: that people aren't taking into account given that he could

924
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: be on a team that is absolutely horrible.

925
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 4: Hey, that's fair.

926
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 2: But if he if the Raiders start oh and seven,

927
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 2: I mean, Antonio Brown is going to be on the

928
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 2: most ridiculous receip pace of all time because all that

929
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 2: all that dinking and dunking against prevent defenses, He's gonna

930
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: catch like twelve balls a game.

931
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 4: So I think he would just play because he'd want

932
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 4: to set that record if he if they went over seven.

933
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 4: But I get it, it's it.

934
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it is media driven, Like

935
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: a lot of it is, oh, diva wide receiver, this

936
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: that you know, he's the he's one of the biggest.

937
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 4: You type Antonio Brown.

938
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: You know, you put Antonio Brown on your in your

939
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 2: headline and you're getting quick. So I think a lot

940
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: of this is kind of getting overblown, except the health thing,

941
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: like if that because even the even the helmet thing,

942
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, I'm not going to play and then

943
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: they rule against him and then he's like, ah, I'm back,

944
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: Like it's it's just he's a drama queed and fine.

945
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: But if he's healthy, this is a guy who all

946
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: that decline, all that stuff we're talking about, led the

947
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: league fifteen touchdown just like easy easy money, just fifteen touchdowns. Nothing,

948
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: it's nothing like there's too much upside for me and

949
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: he's too good and like there's too many easy just

950
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: like easy high percentage looks that that he's going to

951
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 2: get in this offense that he wasn't really getting in

952
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh with Roethlisberger last season.

953
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 4: Even that for me to fade him. But but I

954
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 4: do see the point. We don't know.

955
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: We haven't seen him on a on a truly bad

956
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: team in his career, so I do. I do understand

957
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: where you're coming from. But he's just too good for me, all.

958
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: Right, sig, Let's get the guys, the wide receivers who

959
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: are potential busts for you.

960
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

961
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, obviously, you know we hit one of

962
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 5: the biggest ones. Adam Thielen and Stefan Diggs are potential busts,

963
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 5: if only because the offense is gonna be a lot

964
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 5: more run heavy the Kubiak, Dennison Stefanski offense. And we

965
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 5: just saw on a small, granted, small sample size that

966
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 5: thelan was even struggling to maintain a pulse for fantasy

967
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 5: during that time.

968
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 3: So I think that's scary.

969
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 5: Uh, that's a scary proposition when we're looking at some

970
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 5: of those running backs that we've been talking about in

971
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 5: the same area. Uh, you know, a player like Robbie Anderson.

972
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 5: I think was Mike Clay that pointed out the number

973
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 5: one corner he's going to be facing. And we saw

974
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 5: Sammy Watkins have a year like this where the head

975
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 5: coach says, hey, if we can just cancel out your

976
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 5: number one corner with my number one receiver, and then

977
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 5: we're going to take high percentage passes to Jamison Crowder

978
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 5: and Quincy and noonwah And and leon O Le'Veon Bell

979
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 5: and so on.

980
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 3: Then we'll take that and we think we can win

981
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 3: in that kind of square off.

982
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 5: So where I like what Robby Anderson did down the

983
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 5: stretch with Sam Darnold, I also worried about that.

984
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 3: And AJ Green.

985
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 5: Look, even if you're AJ Green's there in the fifth round,

986
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 5: how can you pass on AJ Green twice? Now we've

987
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 5: seen him have these injuries where he was scheduled to

988
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 5: maybe come back and then they finally ended up shutting

989
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 5: him down. There's a lot of shadowy stuff about the

990
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 5: nature of the surgery he had. Yes, he should be

991
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 5: back in week three or week four, but what if

992
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 5: it's week three, week four and he hasn't returned to

993
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 5: practice yet. We don't know when he's going to come back. Cincinnati,

994
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 5: I don't trust their medical staff. I don't trust them

995
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 5: to handle things in the best way. I applaud Green

996
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 5: for getting the second opinion. I think he pushed to

997
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 5: have surgery, and I think he's thinking about next year

998
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 5: and beyond when he leaves this team and probably is

999
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 5: a New England Patriots.

1000
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: Hot take there, Raymond, who are you looking to fade

1001
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: at the wide receiver position?

1002
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 4: Damn?

1003
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: I mean, Sig took a lot of my guys, Anderson

1004
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: was the wide receiver sixty five for the first ten

1005
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 2: weeks of the season. I mean he every year, it's

1006
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: just all these guys get hurt. And now, as Sig mentioned,

1007
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: they have more guys. And by the way, no team

1008
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: ran fewer plays over the last three years than the

1009
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins.

1010
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 4: Why is that relevant?

1011
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 2: Because Adam Gaks was the head coach of the Miami Dolphins.

1012
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 2: Now he is the head coach of the New York Jets.

1013
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: This could just be a one man shown Like, there's

1014
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: a couple of situations where I think you start looking

1015
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: at correlations and arbitrage opportunities and how to take advantage

1016
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: of these situations, especially in in PPR leagues, because I

1017
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 2: think I would say at this point, there's it's almost

1018
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: better than fifty to fifty that Jamison Crowder outscores Robbie Anderson.

1019
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 4: I think it's.

1020
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: Almost better than fifty to fifty that Adam Freeze outscores

1021
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: Corey Davis and like, these are guys that you can

1022
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: get rounds and rounds after the other player that I

1023
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: mentioned who will line up on the line of scrimmage

1024
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: will line up with that X a lot of the

1025
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: time where they can't even go in motion and have

1026
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: to kind of, you know, be at the mercy of

1027
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: what you know, what the coverage dictates. So yeah, I

1028
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: think Anderson is a guy you want to avoid.

1029
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 4: I think a J. Green.

1030
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: Here's my thing with guys who are gonna miss time

1031
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the season. You can't take the

1032
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: fantasy playoffs for granted. So if they if you're fantasy

1033
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: playoffs start in week thirteen or week fourteen, and you

1034
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: also know that you know, nope, you're not playing in

1035
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: week seventeen. You know you can't just say, hey, oh

1036
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 2: eight games of AJ Green or whatever. It's less than

1037
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: that if you're expecting room, it's like six or whatever,

1038
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: because you can't take the playoffs for granted and taking

1039
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 2: and having a wasting a spot on a guy like

1040
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: that at that level in the draft where you still

1041
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: have a lot of guys that could give you a

1042
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 2: full season of upside, that's only hurting your chances to

1043
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: make the playoffs. So I tend to stay away from

1044
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: guys that are going to miss time at guaranteed time

1045
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the year for that exact reason.

1046
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: I think it's it's it's undervalue kind of the effect

1047
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 2: that has on your chances to even realize that value

1048
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 2: later on in the season. So yeah, Green, and then

1049
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: besides that, I mean, I think Dealing and Diggs. Yeah,

1050
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 2: it's concerning, I think on the offense as a whole,

1051
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: but I think at the end of the day, the

1052
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: Vikings are going to be still a concentrated pass offense.

1053
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: I'm not as worried about those guys. I think Mike Williams,

1054
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: Tyler Lockett a couple guys that the target increases might

1055
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: not be as high as we think. I mean, Mike

1056
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: Williams ran twenty three point three routes per game last season. However,

1057
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: the Chargers only had a pass about thirty two times

1058
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: a game. They have a really good defense, so that's

1059
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: the potential is there for them not to be a

1060
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 2: high volume pass team again, which means the real ceiling

1061
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 2: for Williams now is.

1062
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 4: Not that high.

1063
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: He got targeted about twenty twenty one percent of the

1064
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: time per route over the last eight weeks of the

1065
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: season if you include the postseason, and even if you

1066
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 2: kind of assuming he'll be in on every pass route

1067
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: and and get targeted at that rate versus his full

1068
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: season rate, he still kind of tops out at about

1069
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: six and a half targets per game.

1070
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 4: And then now you have to worry about worry about

1071
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 4: the touchdown aggression. Lock It another guy.

1072
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: I think his targets will probably go up. But the

1073
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: Seahawk Russell Wilson's just, you know, he's just so good

1074
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: that there's all these different things that could happen to

1075
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: where if there's some touchdown variants with lock It, like

1076
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: they might not need to pass a lot because they

1077
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: might still be good. But if just the touchdowns go

1078
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 2: away from Locket a little bit, but they're still efficient

1079
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: passing the ball otherwise and they kind of spread it around,

1080
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 2: he might not have kind of the upside that that

1081
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: we're looking for. So I worry a little bit about him,

1082
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: but mostly, yeah, it's Robbie, It's it's Aj.

1083
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 4: Those are my two big voids.

1084
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: All right, let's close it out at the tight end position, Sigmund,

1085
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: who are the guys you were looking to stay away.

1086
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 5: From ericy brawn is low hanging fruit ear especially with

1087
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 5: the lucky issues. I mean, the the one theory to

1088
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 5: take Eric Hebron was that red zone chemistry's not gonna

1089
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 5: go away, and you'll still be one of the number one

1090
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 5: targets in the red zone.

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Speaker 3: Now you know that's a little shadowy. Zach Ertz.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm not gonna say he's gonna be an

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00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 5: unmitigated bust, but his target spike just seems unsustainable from

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00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 5: last year, especially with the additions they have. I actually

1095
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 5: Dallas Goddard a lot, not truly a bust, but someone

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00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 5: like David and Joku could be a player that continues

1097
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 5: to frustrate us. And what I'm watching for is the

1098
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 5: Browns offensive line, Greg Robinson and Austin Corbett or whatever

1099
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 5: they decide to do on that side of the line.

1100
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 5: If it's not firmed up, then jokh might be kept

1101
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 5: into block a lot more than we would want if

1102
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 5: we're taking him in our fantasy drafts.

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00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: All right, Raybond, how about you?

1104
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 4: I don't think Ertz will be a bust at all.

1105
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: I think the Eagles, if anything, and it's been kind

1106
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 2: of said they're be writers, We're gonna run more two

1107
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: tight ends sets. So I don't think there's actually much

1108
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: risk there with Ertz busting at all. Goddar just has

1109
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 2: a little bit more upside. I think, I don't think

1110
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: the I think, if anything, it's just Aguar is gonna

1111
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 2: be the guy that's hurt obviously, But I don't I'm

1112
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: not worried about Artz or Nadjoku because I think Todd

1113
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: Munkin is kind of going underlooked here, Like look at

1114
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: what the Bucks were able to do last year under

1115
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 2: under Monkin with you know, four receivers in the top

1116
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: thirty six, Oj Howard, you know when he was healthy,

1117
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: was you know, week in and week out, you know,

1118
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: top top eight value essentially. So I think in Djoku

1119
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 2: could actually be this year's Eric Ebron in the sense

1120
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 2: that a lot of other guys to worry about and

1121
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: cover really good quarterback, good scheme, could easily score ten touchdowns.

1122
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 2: So I like him, but I think the bust for

1123
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 2: me are just the guys that potentially the biggest injury risks,

1124
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 2: like you know, Hunter Henry, how healthy can.

1125
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 4: He stay stay for the whole season?

1126
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: And maybe Evan ingram Al, though I think the upside

1127
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 2: kind of canceled that out.

1128
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 4: But there's no real true I.

1129
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 2: Would say in the top ten tight ends true bust candidates,

1130
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: maybe you could say Jared Cook with the Saints if

1131
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: things go wrong with Breeze and just given the fact

1132
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: that their lower volume team that kind of had some

1133
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 2: trouble incorporating these free agent tight ends in the past,

1134
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 2: Jimmy Graham left, so I think maybe you look at

1135
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 2: Cook a little bit, but I still think he'll be fine.

1136
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 2: I think they understand how to use him there. They

1137
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: want to use him, just like Oakland. So yeah, the

1138
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: bus kind of starts to me with Mark Andrews could

1139
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 2: be a bust if he continues to play half the

1140
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 2: Snaps and the Ravens continue to pass twenty four times

1141
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 2: a game. With Lamar Jackson, I mean, there's just only

1142
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: so much upside that you can have there. So I

1143
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: think he's a guy where you're probably looking at and saying, Okay,

1144
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 2: that could end really poorly. But outside of in the

1145
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: top ten, I really like I think Ebron is obviously

1146
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: the only guy that the numbers could just look totally

1147
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: different because it was night and day with Doyle in

1148
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: the lineup.

1149
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: All right, Sigmund. Out of all the content at football guys,

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00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: what should people be sure to check out?

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Speaker 5: Well, look, just get the mobile Draft Dominator. It's free

1152
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Speaker 5: this year. It's that draft assistant looks over your shoulder.

1153
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Speaker 5: It adjusts as your draft goes on. It's scalable to

1154
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Speaker 5: any kinds of scoring systems and formats, and we're real

1155
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Speaker 5: proud of that and real proud hopefully spread it out

1156
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Speaker 5: to even more people. I'm doing a master draft plan

1157
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Speaker 5: is going to come out this week.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: We've got great content by so many people I can't

1160
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 5: even name them all. And that's what we tend to

1161
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 5: do with football guys, is we're going to over deliver

1162
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 5: and overwhelm you with content. And if you're obsessed with

1163
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Speaker 5: fantasy football, then you belong with us.

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