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Speaker 1: Welcome to the ozone Podcast featuring Jaguars dot Com senior

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Speaker 1: writer John Oser and Jaguars executive producer Dave the Kennis.

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Speaker 1: Next week's guest I'm excited about and I think fans

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Speaker 1: will be excited about two. It's Bucky Brooks, NFL network analysts.

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Speaker 1: And the reason I'm excited about it he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: joining us as a member of the Jaguars dot Com

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Speaker 1: Jaguars Digital broadcast team this year for the first time.

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Speaker 1: He played safety for the Jaguars in the nineties. I

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Speaker 1: got to know him then and have gotten to know

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Speaker 1: him in the last I don't know, maybe seven eight

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Speaker 1: years at Senior Bowls, at NFL Combines. He's part of

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Speaker 1: the NFL network coverage. But beyond that, he's a guy

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Speaker 1: that because of his Jaguars connection, because he played, when

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Speaker 1: think a lot more insight than maybe some other national guys.

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Speaker 1: He has his eye on this team. So it's going

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Speaker 1: to be a fascinating season to have him on board

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Speaker 1: and providing his analysis. I think for that reason, today's

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Speaker 1: those own podcasts will be fascinating as well. So a

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Speaker 1: man with many titles in our world, it's former Jaguars

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Speaker 1: defensive back Buckey Brooks. I remember Bucky well from covering

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Speaker 1: him in the ninet nineties. I'm sure he remembers me.

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Speaker 1: Not so fond of being a media but I do

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Speaker 1: remember that, and Buckey welcome aboard. First of all, I'm

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Speaker 1: excited about that. Hey, thanks so much, man, I'm really excited, John.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you how excited I am to reconnect

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Speaker 1: with the Jaguars. UM My fondest memories as an NFL

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Speaker 1: player took place in Jacksonville. The run that we went

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Speaker 1: on in ninety was magical. Playing with great guys during

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Speaker 1: all of those guys. I learned a lot during my

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Speaker 1: that I'm in a different role. I'm sure over the

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Speaker 1: course of us working together, we'll have a lot of

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Speaker 1: time this fall to get into all topics. But I

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Speaker 1: podcast on some of your nineteen nineties memories. People around

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Speaker 1: here love listening to that, and it's been fun not

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Speaker 1: letting those stories get lost. But I'd be remiss if,

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Speaker 1: with all that's going on in the NFL, if I

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Speaker 1: didn't ask you about the COVID stuff right now the league. Um,

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Speaker 1: I guess, just what are your thoughts? And this is

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Speaker 1: going to run in three or four days as a

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Speaker 1: behind the your show, fans, behind the curtains, what you

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Speaker 1: say could be entirely different three or four days. I

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Speaker 1: get that things are changing so fast, But what's your

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Speaker 1: of how things are going right now? Well, one, I'm

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Speaker 1: excited because see, when you've been around the game as

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Speaker 1: We haven't had an opportunity to really get excited about

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited to see that. I do believe it

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Speaker 1: players as best they can to opt out um arrangement

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Speaker 1: where you have you're seeing players around the league opt

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Speaker 1: ask you about the end UM. I won't get into

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Speaker 1: being treated by some And I think those that have

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Speaker 1: the all of the young players, because I was a

433
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Speaker 1: young player trying to learn how to do it. And

434
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: then you take those things combined with some of the

435
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: things that I learned from Coach Coughland in terms of

436
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 1: things that are critical to team building and winning games.

437
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: Not turning the ball over, uh, making sure that uh

438
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: you can control the controllables, being detailed and disciplined, and

439
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 1: and hey, let's make sure we keep the ball in

440
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: front of let the ball flower his let's reduce and

441
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: eliminate some of the big plays on offense, making sure

442
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 1: that you have a quarterback that can get you out

443
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 1: of trouble, like Mark Brunell could. Everything might not be

444
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: lined up perfectly, but he can make plays. The combination

445
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: of two receivers Jimmy Smith and Keena mccardeal and what

446
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 1: they did understanding the importance of offensive tackles when you

447
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 1: have Leon Searcy and Tony Boselli's two booking players. Um

448
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 1: it taught me a lot about what's necessary to build

449
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 1: a championship team. And even though we didn't get over

450
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 1: the top, we didn't make it to the Super Bowl,

451
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: we got to the championship game. That team was good

452
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: enough to make it to the super Bowl, and so

453
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: being on the team seeing how it worked, it really

454
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: helped shape what I believe are necessary ingredients to building

455
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Speaker 1: a championship cake. See, you make the transition to corner

456
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: and then you show up in Jacksonville and you've got

457
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: to cover Jimmy and keenan every day. Right for fans,

458
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: you know it's been Watson says, guys played and a

459
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: lot of the older fans, everybody knows the names, but

460
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: I guess break down each of those guys. Uh. I

461
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: think sometimes it gets lost. I consider that one of

462
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Speaker 1: the easily top five, top seven tandems of wide receivers

463
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Speaker 1: ever to play. I don't think they get the credit

464
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: for that, but I think they're both, you know, unbelievable.

465
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Speaker 1: Unbelievable due individually and collectively. I think combine what they

466
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: what they gave Jackson with, they gave the team the

467
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 1: opportunity to attack the defense in a variety of ways.

468
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,959
Speaker 1: I'll say this, Jimmy Smith was a consummate number one receiver.

469
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Speaker 1: He's the prototypical number one receiver that you want um

470
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Speaker 1: at the time. Like people won't say big now, but

471
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: at the time, six to plus pounds, that was a

472
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: big receiver, four four speed. Uh. They would put him

473
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: at the backside of the formation at X and man.

474
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: He could take the top off the defense. He could

475
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: run the out, he could run the dig. He could

476
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: go buy you. He was physical in terms of walking

477
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: up to press him. He was such a physical receiver

478
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 1: with zero to sixty acceleration that mean it just made

479
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 1: it puts you in a bond when you were one

480
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: on one with him. From other teams. Buck He used

481
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: to talk about how you couldn't go press him because

482
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: he was so strong that if you got your hands

483
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,239
Speaker 1: on him, he just knocked them off. And then he

484
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: was so big that once he got a step on you,

485
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: he would get his butt on you and you couldn't

486
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 1: get back around because he was so big. He was impossible,

487
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: and he did most of his damage from hash to sidelines.

488
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: He was so good. He has what I think is

489
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: is really rare, and I think when we look at

490
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: why receivers, even when we begin to look at our

491
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: own guys, uh DJ Chark and those guys, the hardest

492
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: thing to find is a wide receiver who has outstanding

493
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Speaker 1: speed but the ability to stop and start. So most

494
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: of the time when you have fast guys, fast guys

495
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: can only go vertical, meaning they only can go down

496
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: the field, big plays, deep shots. It is rare that

497
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: you can find a fast guy that can stop and

498
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: do the dirty work comebacks, dig routes or whatever. Jimmy

499
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: Smith could do that. The other thing that was really

500
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Speaker 1: impressive with him strong hands, his ability to catch the

501
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: ball in a crowd, his ability to pluck it to

502
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: go over the middle. Uh fearless in the way that

503
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: he went about his business. But what is interesting is

504
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: he had the perfect compliment on the other side, because

505
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: Keenan is what I call the crafty receiver that wins

506
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: UH in the slot. Meaning Kenyan wasn't the fastest UH,

507
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: he wasn't the most imposing physically, But what he had

508
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: is he had every trick in the bag. I mean

509
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: he could UH. People to talk about this and were

510
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: referred to it. He had a dead le egg. He

511
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: had a hesitation move where he could just kind of

512
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: throw his leg in the ground with his shoulders going

513
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: forward that would make you think he was stopping, and

514
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: he could immediately restop and create separation over the middle

515
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: of the field. And when you have someone who is

516
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: patient and crafty and such a precise route runner like

517
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: he was man third down, you didn't know where the

518
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: ball was going. It could go to gym because he's

519
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: the number one. But if you overload the defense to Jimmy,

520
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: Keenan McCarter could wear out your second and third corner

521
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: with his assortment of hesitations, his his different moves at

522
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: the top of routes, and so it really gave them

523
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: an unbelievable combination and man, just Keenan was so good.

524
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: And I think because he was so good in the

525
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: way that he had to play, I think he's made

526
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: him my outstanding coach because he is able to break

527
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: the position down into small pieces to help players, all

528
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: types of players work on their games. I think that's

529
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: why you've seen so many young players that have been

530
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: touched by him in Jacksonville have success because he is

531
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: able to spoon feed them the fundamentals and if they

532
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: take the teaching and work at it, they become really

533
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: good players, which is why you saw DJ just really

534
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: explode last season. If you see Keenan, which I'm sure

535
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: you do on occasion, a couple of things, Bucky, don't

536
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: tell him he wasn't the number one, and don't tell

537
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: him that he's still not the number one, because he

538
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: still thinks he can. But you know that is funny

539
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: because it was such a healthy competition between those guys,

540
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: and I would say both of those guys were great

541
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: to me. Um as a player, there was on the

542
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: line because sometimes, like what it happened is, uh, if

543
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: you're the backup player, you're playing scout team, and scout

544
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: team can be a tricky deal for the scout because

545
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: coaches don't necessarily want you beating up the top player.

546
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: And so those are two of our best players on

547
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: the offense. So when you challenge them, you can challenge them.

548
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: But there's a line. However, Jimmy and Keenan love the

549
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: competition of it all, so it would enable you to

550
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: really play like it was game like against those guys.

551
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: And so then when you would get that competition each

552
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: and every day, when you did get an opportunity to

553
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: play in games, you're better prepared for the game. And

554
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: so I have a tremendous amount of respect for both

555
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: of those guys. And I'll say this about them because

556
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: it's personal to me. When I got let go and

557
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: released from Jacksonville, both of those guys called me, and

558
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: I feel like at a time, and so for for players,

559
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: it can be a weird deal. You've been around players

560
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's a weird deal when you play for

561
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: a team and you can be around guys every day,

562
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: but when you get cut, sometimes you may not hear

563
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: from that peer group that you're around ever again. And

564
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: the fact that both of those guys, Jimmy and Keenan

565
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: both took the time to call me and to check

566
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: up on me in the days following. It really meant

567
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: a lot, and it really fortified my bond with both

568
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: of those us. Yeah, that's there's a lot of times players,

569
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, they think if they call somebody who's been

570
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen to them. Now, you know, there's a

571
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: little bit of a fear there. Yeah, they't want to

572
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: talk to somebody who's outside the bubble, superstitious. Yeah, I

573
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: don't want to go don't happen to me? For sure.

574
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: We could talk about the nineties forever, because there's a

575
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 1: million stories. But let's talk about this year's Jaguars. I

576
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: know you follow this team, maybe as close as any

577
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: national analysts. I first, let's get to Minshew. We'll cover

578
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: a couple of topics, and we've got the whole offsea,

579
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: you know, the whole season. Talk about him as well.

580
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: Tell me about Gardner. You know, you see different things.

581
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: Some people say, hey, he had the stats last year,

582
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: why isn't he considered more of a promising quarterback? And

583
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: there's other people who say, hey, there's limitations here. You

584
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: see both sides. Where do you stand? What do you

585
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: think of them? You know, I think it was very

586
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: impressive what he was able to do. And I think

587
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: governament she was the classic example or the prime example

588
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: of why you can't put all of your eggs in

589
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: the preseason basket, because when you watched him in the preseason,

590
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: you just didn't know Um. And look, it's an adjustment,

591
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: as an adjustment for young players adapting to the speed

592
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: of the game, also adapting to the players that you're

593
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: playing with. Some of the guys that you're playing with

594
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: in the preseason may or may not make the team,

595
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: and so you don't have everything working in your favor.

596
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: But I will say this, when he got an opportunity

597
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: to play in real games, he was really impressive. Quick

598
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: rhythm Passer had a real good understanding of what to

599
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: do with the football, and that's hard for young players.

600
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: I've heard him talk about being prepared for that because

601
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: he had to always learn different offenses when he was

602
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: in college. He had to learn the air ray system

603
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: at Washington State, UM showing up very very late in

604
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: the process, and he was able to do it and

605
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: it served him well going forward. UM Quick Rhythm Passer

606
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: uh good job of distributing and using all the areas

607
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: of the field Um. I think the best thing that

608
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: you can find for quarterbacks of guys who can quoe

609
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: unquote paint by numbers, meaning they let the system work

610
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: for them. They get the ball to the open guy,

611
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: and they don't discriminate when it comes to it. However,

612
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: he takes that and as to the point that he

613
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: gives his playmakers opportunities to make plays, He'll throw some

614
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: fifty fifty balls up there to chart to allow him

615
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: to make it happen, and he was successful with that.

616
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: He's athletic enough to use his legs um in a way.

617
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: And I won't say this because like people have polarizing

618
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: opinions sometimes on Baker Mayfield, but I think you could

619
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: really surmise that there's not really a lot of difference

620
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: between the way he plays in the way Baker Mayfield plays,

621
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: and that if he is supported not only with players

622
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: around him, but in a system that highlights his strengths

623
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: as a cerebral playmaker, he could be a long time

624
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: starting quarterback. Now, will he be a Tier one quarterback,

625
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't know because there are some physical limitation, But

626
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: can he be a winning quarterback? Absolutely? And I think

627
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: that is what we say and I think the expectation,

628
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: particularly when Jay Grumen gets his hands on him, is

629
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: that he is going to play winning football at the position,

630
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: and they have to figure out a way to put

631
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: the pieces around him in the best situation to help

632
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: him elevate, meaning Leonard four Nett. Can they create a

633
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: running game that enables Leonard for Nette to play at

634
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: his best while also having a play action passing game

635
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: and a passing game that fits going to minsh you.

636
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: That's the challenge that Jay Gruden has in crafting that offense.

637
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: We're Gonna miss you is certainly good enough to be

638
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: a playoff quarterback very quickly. Any particular thing that that

639
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: you want to see from Menshew, I don't know the

640
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: first month is fair. It's gonna be a weird first month,

641
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: I get that. But anything tangible, pocket presence, red zone,

642
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: any particular thing you want to see from him to

643
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: say yes, he's making progress. I want to continue to

644
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: see him make better decisions and improve his overall efficiency.

645
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,959
Speaker 1: Even though we don't judge accuracy by completion percentage UH

646
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: in today's game, completion rate is kind of like the

647
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: standard what you want to see trying quarterbacks. So the

648
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: fact that he was at sixty is not quite there.

649
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: So you want to see him push him up, push

650
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: it up over while also keeping that touchdown to interception

651
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: ratio where it is. If he ups the completion rate

652
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: and keeps the touchdowns where it is, you'll see his

653
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: passer rate and go over a hundred. Men. If your

654
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: quarterback is operating at that kind of efficiency, it bowls

655
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: well for your team to win a lot of games.

656
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: In a nutshell, who is Jay Gruden as an offensive

657
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:28,239
Speaker 1: coordinator described what he what does that higher mean for

658
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: this team? When you getting an offensive coordinator who wants

659
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: to operate what I call a ball control offense is

660
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: ball control with prey playmakers front of mine, meaning he

661
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: wants to examine the talents that he has and he

662
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: wants to put the ball in the hands of his

663
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: best players doing what they do well, while also considering

664
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: the strengths and weaknesses of his quarterback. We saw that

665
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: happen for him when he was the offensive coordinator in

666
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: Cincinnati for Andy Dalton. Andy Dalton played at a high

667
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: level under j Gruden. When he goes to watch Eton,

668
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: he has an opportunity with Kirk Cousins, even though he's

669
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: not necessarily the coordinator. He's still in charge of calling

670
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: the plays and doing those things. We saw Kirk Cousins

671
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: play at a at a pretty high level under him.

672
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: I think what you would like to see him do

673
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: is continue to do those same things in Jacksonville while

674
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: also understanding where the weaknesses and the efficiencies. Uh, are

675
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: we good enough at the offensive line to be able

676
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: to do some of these things? If we're not, what

677
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: can I do from a schematic standpoint to cover those

678
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: things up? That's what offensive coordinators have to be able

679
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: to do. They have to be able to look at

680
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: everything that they have, the good and the bad, and

681
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: figure out this is the best way for us to play,

682
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: for us to win games. But the players that we

683
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: have sounds like you like DJ Chark. What's his feeling?

684
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: Where do you see him having? Man? Look? He he

685
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: really exploded a thousands of yards season, eight touchdowns, averaged

686
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: almost fourteen yards per catch um. I think he's the

687
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: number one receiver and I think, Uh, once again, we

688
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: talked about guys that are explode so but have start

689
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: start quickness. He has that continue to get better. I

690
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: think now the thing is now that he's uh, he's

691
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: a known commodity and people know him. The challenge for

692
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: DJ and what separates the number one receivers from the

693
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: number two's. Number one receivers are are able to continue

694
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: to produce despite facing double teams, despite being the center attention,

695
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: They continue to have a way to impact the game.

696
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: Does he have that ability to get open versus roll coverage?

697
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: Can he handling teams assigned the number one corner to him?

698
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: Can he win consistently? The number one receiver has to

699
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: win against all comers. And I know you'll take this.

700
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: I learned that from Bill Poland. Bill Poland says, no

701
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: matter the coverage, no matter who they're facing, number one

702
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: receivers have to show up. He has to be able

703
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: to show up regardless of what is facing him. Did

704
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 1: it look like that got him a little bit halfway

705
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: through last year? A little bit, I think a little bit. Yeah.

706
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: I think it's a stumbling block because what happens and

707
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: what makes the NFL so great is when you begin

708
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: to put things on film, defensive coordinators and defenders quickly

709
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: adapt to who you are and what you show, so

710
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: good players always continue to add stuff to the repertoire.

711
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: They always continue to improve their game and find ways

712
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: to get open. And so now that he is known

713
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: and people know, ay, he is one of the guys

714
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: that we have to defend. He is one of the

715
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: guys that is highlighted in the scouting report when they

716
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: stand up in front of the room and they read

717
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: the scounting report to all the defenders. His name is

718
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: one of the ones that they talk about. So now

719
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: his challenge is how do I respond to the way

720
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: that they responded to me. How do I counter what

721
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: they have done to counteract some of the things that

722
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: I did really well? That is when we'll see if

723
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: he has an opportunity to go from good to great,

724
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: because that's what the great ones do. Yeah, I know

725
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: this team about the lost as they lost boy, they

726
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: lost their names. But am I crazy to think that

727
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: there's a chance that the defense won't drop off could

728
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: be better with some of the additions they had. Meaning,

729
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, they've worked on the run defense, and I

730
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: know Kis is still a front line player, but it

731
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: just looks to me like improving the run defense on

732
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: this team Adda and Joe Schobert, they've done some things

733
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: that makes me think that it may not be I

734
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: mean there were times last year the run defense they

735
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: just couldn't do anything. If they stopped that, they improved.

736
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: Could the defense be good enough this year? Yeah? You

737
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: and you hear this because like the analytics guys will

738
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: tell you that as the passing league and all those things,

739
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: and it is, however, the best way to win games

740
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: on defenses. You have to make the opposition one dimensional

741
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: and you have to stop the run. You can let

742
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: people have two way goals when it comes to being

743
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: able to run it on you and throw it on you.

744
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: And so Jackson absolutely has to improve the run defense.

745
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: Given up over rushing yards twenty three rushing touchdowns, that's

746
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: unacceptable in today's game. I do believe beating up the

747
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, adding those guys up front was sir in

748
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: the heilp like more size, more girth. That part is

749
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: a is a big part of the equation. And then

750
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: Joe Sholbert coming in enabling Miles Jack to move to

751
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: the other side on the second level that will help them.

752
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: Joe Sherbet is a guy who has been attacking machine

753
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: during his time with the Browns. He comes over, it

754
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: allows Miles Jack to go back to being the running

755
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: Chase playmaker that he was at U C l A.

756
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: He will be a better player because he's in now

757
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: a more natural position. And so if you can fortify

758
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: those things and I'll never look this doesn't change. Championship

759
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: defenses are strong down the middle. So when you look

760
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: at the defensive tackles, Hamilton and Woods coming over, uh,

761
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: Tavin Bryant hopefully improving and being a more consistent player

762
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: at the point of attack. Then with Joe Sherbet and

763
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: Miles Jack being able to be there consistently, Um, those

764
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 1: things matter. If they can shore that up and forced

765
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: teams to throw when everyone in the stadium knows they

766
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: have to throw, that's when they're playing really, really good defense.

767
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: A lot of National people back, you know how it's

768
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: hard to cover thirty two teams. So sometimes when you

769
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: talk to Nationally, but you don't get all the depths

770
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: I think fans expect. But I know you follow this

771
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: team closely. Tell me in an overview what you think

772
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: of that when you think of the Jaguars in what

773
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: do you think sort of defines your storylines for this team?

774
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: What are you thinking about this team? Well, obviously we've

775
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: talked about the quarterback the quarterback is gonna be front

776
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: of mine because, uh, the quarterback plays such a key

777
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: role in where the team's win or lose. He's decision making.

778
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: He has the ball on every place. So that's a

779
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: big part of it. I think the bigger part of it.

780
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: When Jacksonville made the run, they made the run because

781
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: of quote unquote Saxsonville because of the defense. Because the

782
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: way the defense played. The defense has to play at

783
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: a high level for them to get back. So I

784
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: want to see, how does Josh Allen take his game

785
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: up the second year, phenomenal, first season Pro bowler ten sacks.

786
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: How does he play ken Yannick in got way, even

787
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: though there's a conversation about him being on the trade

788
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 1: block and all those other things. If he comes back,

789
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: does he play at a high level, Because if you

790
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: have two pass rushers. We've talked about the defensive tackles,

791
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: and we talked about the improvements that they made uh

792
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: at linebacker with Miles Jack into his natural position and

793
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: Joe Schober coming over. Um, that gives them a chance

794
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: calm and chasing what they're wanting to do with him.

795
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: That is the big thing he is. He is an

796
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: unknown because He's ethnic enough to be able to be

797
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: incorporated and injected into the pass rush. But how do

798
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: they use it? Because you already have in Gockway, you

799
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: have alan to get him on the field. You may

800
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: have to put him in a position that may not

801
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: be his most natural. How do you use him to

802
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: get him ready to maybe get some sack production from him?

803
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: That's the key thing. And then look, I mean you

804
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: use boy. A year before that you lost Ramsey, um

805
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: c J. And Henderson has a lot of pressure on

806
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: him to be that number one corner. Can a Ricky

807
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: take on those responsibilities and have success? So to me,

808
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna mence you. And then the defense if they

809
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: are outstanding, I won't even say at an a level.

810
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: If they play B B plus football in those two

811
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: areas at quarterback and on defense, that is gonna give

812
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: them a chance to be very competitive in the South five.

813
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: All right, this is the ozone five with Bucky Brothers.

814
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: Bucky your last Binge watch? Oh um gosh, QB one?

815
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: Do you one on Netflix? And last chance you? Those

816
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: two things I can't I just can't stop watching. You

817
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: didn't really have football? Is your last day? Just because

818
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: you're an NFL guy, didn't you watch New Girl? Didn't?

819
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: I didn't watch New Girl. But but if you want,

820
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: if you want me to have a confession, I will.

821
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: I will confess that I also binge watched Cheer which

822
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: is a show on Netflix, which was Novarro the the

823
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: competitive dance cheerleading team or whatever. I watched. I was

824
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: fascinated by the team. So that's my all Right. I

825
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: think I know the answer to this, and you'll be

826
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: in trouble with your alma mater if if I'm wrong,

827
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: Jordan's or Lebron. Man, it's tough, right because I love

828
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: mj But man, what Lebron has been able to do

829
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: watching him since he was eighteen, Like, Lebron is so

830
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: unique and so gifted. So I'm gonna go Lebron. And

831
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hope that Mytorio, I'm gonna hope that my

832
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: Tario family doesn't doesn't doesn't come down. Yeah they may

833
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: kind of. Aftery on it your last shore down around

834
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: the house, in me in the trash everything can't I can't.

835
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: I can't have trash, can steel, so inde trash all

836
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: over all over the house. Last station or song listened

837
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: to in the car Oh, I just did a Peloton

838
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: workout and it was a little Wayne playlist. So little

839
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: Wayne was was top of mind, and that he's one

840
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: of my faces anyway, so I wasn't mad at it.

841
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, PELOTONO was a little Wayne. I like it.

842
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: I like it. Your favorite team growing regardless of sport,

843
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: favorite team this one because my all, my mother, I

844
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: love Carolina basketball. I grew up on Carolina basketball. Everything

845
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: that I thought about team sports was kind of formed

846
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: in shape from watching Carolina and Dean Smith. And the

847
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: way to charge is play basketball. Well, Bucky, I think

848
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: anybody who's listening to this shares what I'm feeling right now.

849
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: I can't wait for this season get started. I'm looking

850
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: forward to hearing your insight on all this, looking forward

851
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: to sharing a lot of stories. Uh. I think it's

852
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun. I appreciate you joining

853
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: us for this, and I certainly look forward to working

854
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: with you uh all seasons. So thank you very much

855
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: and we will talk to you very soon. Thanks Jeff,

856
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. I'm excited. I'm excited to

857
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: be back a part of the Jaguars family. So I'm

858
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: looking forward to doing more and more stuff with you guys.

859
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: All right. That was Bucky Brooks and uh, Dave, I'm

860
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Speaker 1: looking forward to this season having Bucky on. I told

861
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: him that at the end, but that's heart felt. He's Uh.

862
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna add a lot to our coverage.

863
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: And I do think he's a guy who you know,

864
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: you've been with me a combine and Senior Bowls. Over

865
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: the years. We've talked to countless NFL analysts about the Jaguars,

866
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: and they all have something to add, and if you

867
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: hit them with high hierarchy topics, they're all pretty good.

868
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: But you know one thing I always tell fans when

869
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: you talk to even somebody as good as Peter King

870
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: or John Clayton, there's sometimes a limit to how deep

871
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: a national analyst can go on a specific team because

872
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: they've got thirty two to cover, and if the Jaguars

873
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: are seven and nine or six and ten, they're not

874
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: paying as much attention to the Jaguars as they are

875
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: the Patriots or some teams in the playoffs. Bucky, whenever

876
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: I talked to Hi about the Jags, I always get

877
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: the feeling he knows it deeper than maybe any NFL analysts,

878
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: maybe outside Prisco, Yeah, definitely, and kind of sometimes here

879
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: I like kind of take people behind kind of the

880
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: the Jaguars broadcasting curtains. So we started talking to Bucky

881
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: about working with us this year back before the pandemics.

882
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: I think we started talking about February March and the

883
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: pandemic hits. So everything I got put on hold, um

884
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: and we were gonna kind of revisit after the draft.

885
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: But originally Bucky was supposed to be our TV analysts

886
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: for this season during the preseason. It would have been great, yeah,

887
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: classic on that and and the other part of it too,

888
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: is uh just his base of knowledge is built for that,

889
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: where you know, preseason have a lot of rookies, a

890
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: lot of undrafted free agents, a lot of first year

891
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: players who have been league But Bucky's broke him down

892
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: because he doesn't draft the draft. Yeah, and because he's

893
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: done the draft covers. So I was really excited about that.

894
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: We had some kind of cool, unique things we're gonna

895
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: try to do in the preseason broadcast, but no preseason

896
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 1: this year, so so we kind of Buckey was supposed

897
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: to was gonna do stuff with us all year, but

898
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: we've kind of shift gears he's doing a little bit

899
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 1: more with us during the year and I'm really looking

900
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: forward to it. And from those early conversations we uh,

901
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: you could tell he was really fired up to be

902
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: back doing stuff with the Jaguars, and he's and we've

903
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: kind of run into him, like you were saying, John

904
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: at the combine or whatever. He's always sat down and

905
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: been happy to do, you know, be a guest on

906
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: our shows and all that kind of stuff. And you're right,

907
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: just I think he always has had I don't want

908
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: to speak for him, but it's always feels like going

909
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: through this process and since he's been on like he

910
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: has a place for the Jaguars, you know in his

911
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: heart somewhere where he always puts an extra eye on

912
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: what what what the Jags are doing. He was a

913
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: good player, you know, as a fan of those teams,

914
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: he may not have been a guy that it was

915
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: necessarily on your radar, but as somebody who covered the team,

916
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: he was a always very good in the locker room,

917
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: always a very good quote. I'm not surprised he said

918
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: in the podcast that he always respected the media. You

919
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: can tell if you're inside the locker as much as

920
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: I you can tell when a guy has some level

921
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: of respect for what you do. Buck. He was always

922
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: a guy that you went to him and asked him, Hey, Buck,

923
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 1: what's going on with this? He would try to explain

924
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: it to you. I he would treat you with respect.

925
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: He would not sort of scoff at the questions, which

926
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: some guys tend to do. So I'm not surprised that

927
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: he has gone on to have success in the media

928
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,959
Speaker 1: and to be a part of it. And I think

929
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: one of the things that I'm looking forward to the

930
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: most and asking this question on these lines. There are

931
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: times with ex players where they only come at it

932
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: from a player's perspective, and a player's perspective is valuable,

933
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: but sometimes a great player say you're you know, Leonard

934
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 1: four Net, or you're a first round draft pick. They

935
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: don't really realize what it takes when a GM is

936
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: putting together a team, they've been drafted, they're handed the

937
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: ball every day, and but they're not really that in

938
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: tune with how the inner workings of the franchise operate. Well.

939
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: Bucky has been on both sides, and now he's been

940
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: in in the booth talking to GMS. He he's very

941
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: tight and around he talks to jms round the league,

942
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: so he knows sort of how all sides of it work.

943
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: And I think it's gonna add a lot of perspectives

944
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: and it will give a good national and local field

945
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: of our broadcast. So I'm looking forward to it. And uh,

946
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: I think fancy tell. He's a good guy, a lot

947
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: of stories, and you know me, Dave, I'm always looking

948
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: forward to talking to somebody about the nineties because that's

949
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: when I was still young. Yes, I was very young

950
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: in the nineties, but no, that's the cool thing is

951
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: you don't run into many people who have been a player,

952
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: been on the front office, and now I was doing

953
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: it in the media. And it's just he has a

954
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: good kind of rounded out perspective. I mean, I thought

955
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: it was cool when he was talking about Jimmy and Keenan.

956
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: He was kind of giving a little scouttering report on

957
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: those guys, you know, from from his experience, and and

958
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: I think, I think it's just a different perspective, which

959
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: is cool, just to have kind of the scouts I

960
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: if you will. I always find that's an interesting take

961
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: on it, because it's it's not really you know, coaches

962
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: have different perspective. There a different way to look at

963
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: things and scouts and uh, and I think that's always

964
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: kind of interesting. The other part of it too, right,

965
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: it's not it does. It's not lost on me that like,

966
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: well you asked him the ozone five question about what

967
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: do you watch on Netflix? Was he gave two football shows. Uh,

968
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm the guy who lives in breeds football. I mean,

969
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: he was a player who worked at scouting. Now he

970
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: talks about football for a living and also he's a

971
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: high school football coach on top of that. So it

972
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: just loves it, eats breeds it and uh, I'm looking

973
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: forward to working with them, and uh, I hope everybody

974
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: out there enjoys it too. I think they will. And

975
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: that'll do it for this week's of his own podcasts

976
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: starting next week to get a little more into the

977
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: heartbeat of season a Heartbeat of training Camp. If you will,

978
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: we'll have more for you on that next week. But

979
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: if you like these podcasts, subscribe to them as we close.

980
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: As all the way they way to thank Davis Aganis

981
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: for making me sound better than I am. Thank Joe

982
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: Fortnado for doing the same. I hope this week finally

983
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: that we didn't suck. Yeah,