1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's fill courting with that army and normal folks. 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: And this is shop talk number ninety two. Welcome in 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: to the shop. They're going crazy high Alex. 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: How you doing. Welcome in the shop? Yeah two? What 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: I mean? 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, welcoming in the shop. 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 2: Anything with today? What beautiful weather in Memphis after this ice? 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: It's actually pretty? But can you believe you shop mountms 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: of ice out here? 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: Do you really? I didn't see it? 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: You said that last time. Would you just open your eye? 12 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: Had you know you you almost hit one with your car? Probably? 13 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? 14 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, Actually, you gotta be safe driving in your facility. 15 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 3: There's often a lot of moving things around. 16 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: You gotta be got. 17 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: It's a manufacturing yard. It's not for you know, public whatever. 18 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 3: I actually love how you have the massive science, Like 19 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 3: what does it stay safe or pay attention? 20 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: What's the message? Well? 21 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: They are thank safety and stuff all over the place. 22 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: Yeah ninety two, Bill ninety two. 23 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: It's going to be a defensive lineman type. 24 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: And I can't think of one. 25 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: Reggie White at Tennessee. 26 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: I swear do you guys about say Reggie White? I 27 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: swear to you. I was going to say, Reggie should 28 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: have said it. Why are you hold him back? I 29 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: don't know. 30 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: Michael straighthand ah love him. Yeah. 31 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 3: And then atomic numbers ninety two represents uranium? 32 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: What that has nothing to do? That is so ridiculous. 33 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: There's no way I was going to get that. We 34 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: don't have to just talk about football. Yes, I mean, 35 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: are we? Did you say uranus? What'd you say? I 36 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: don't even know what she said. 37 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: There's actually another podcast I listened to. Yeah, they try 38 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 3: to drop in uranus any chance they got? 39 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, well why not raatest planet names ever? No? Oh man, Yeah, 40 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: this is the family show. I disagree with somebody. I 41 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: just say, Urana two. 42 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: And a half years of doing this show in our 43 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: first year rain Sorry if we have offended anyone. 44 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just a planet. 45 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: How can you be offended by interstellar and nomenclature? Okay, 46 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: Shop Talk number ninety two, The Upswing, How America lost 47 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: WE and how it came back before? How America lost 48 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: WE and how it came back before? 49 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 2: It all makes sense in a minute. 50 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: Well, I already have some ideas, but we're just gonna 51 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: go through this right after these brief messages from our 52 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: general sponsors. Hey, everybody, Welcome back to the Shop Chop 53 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: Talk number ninety two, The Upswinging semi colin How America 54 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: Lost we in quotation marks and how it came back 55 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: before there, that's what we're talking about. So it's a 56 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: book that's helped us make sense of something a lot 57 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: of us feel but don't always know how to name. 58 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: The book is The Upswing, How America Came Together a 59 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: century ago and How we can do it again, by 60 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: Robert Putnam, who we visited recently in another Shop Talk. 61 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: And Robert Putnam is clearly a cool dude. If the 62 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: name rings a bell, he's the same guy who wrote 63 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: Pulling Alone. So we did that all right. The Upswing 64 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: asks a deeper question, how did we get so fragmented? 65 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: And how did we ever come back together in the 66 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: first place? You know, before I go on, I think 67 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: we can all think about stuff like nine to eleven, 68 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: the Columbine shooting for Harbor. I could go on, but 69 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: you think about all those things that we find a 70 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: vision everything, But then some shock wave like that seems 71 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: to bring us together, and then sadly, little by little 72 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: that togetherness becomes more and more afraid. That's just my 73 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: own thoughts So before we go forward, who Robert Putnam is. 74 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: Putnam is a sociologist at Harvard who studies social capital. 75 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: He's a really bright guy. That's just a technical term 76 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: for something very human, trust, belonging, shared responsibility, and the 77 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: habits that hold a society together. He doesn't look at 78 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: trends over five years. He looks at one hundred and 79 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: fifty years of American life and economics, politics of engagement, culture, 80 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: and what he found as a clear pattern. And this 81 00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: is some interesting stuff. So pay attention, big idea, the 82 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: I I arc I to we to eye that arc. 83 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: Putnam shows that America has gone through what he calls 84 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: an I we Ie curve, the long period of rugged individualism, 85 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: then a powerful shift toward community and shared responsibility, and 86 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: then over the last fifty years to slide back toward 87 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: everybody's for themselves. The middle period, the upswing. Now there's 88 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: where the key is what life was really like in 89 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: the Gilded Age. The first eye to understand the upswing, 90 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: you have to understand what came before it. The Gilded Age, 91 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: roughly eighteen seventy through nineteen hundred. On the surface, America 92 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: was booming, railroads, steel, oil, massive fortunes. Think the Vanderbilts, 93 00:05:53,200 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: think Rockefeller, think Carnegie. That was that period of timeunderneath 94 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: all that and all that storied history, extreme inequality, child labor, 95 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: really unsafe factories and operating units, and zero safety net 96 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: for when the tired and huddled masses ended their twelve 97 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: hour shifts. Wealth was concentrated at the top at levels 98 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: comparable to today. Trust was low, politics were corrupt, Civic 99 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: life was thin and fragmented. Putnam's point isn't that people 100 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 1: were worse back then. It's that the structure of society 101 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: rewarded I and punished Wei. The turn why the upswing happened. 102 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,559 Speaker 1: Starting around nineteen hundred, something changed, not all at once 103 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: and not from Washington, d c. First, people began responding 104 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: to inequality, instability, and social breakdown by building institutions that 105 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: trained cooperation. And here's the remarkable part. Huge number of 106 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: those institutions were founded in a very tight window, basically 107 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: between nineteen oh five to nineteen seventeen. Consider that one 108 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen to one hundred, ten years ago the 109 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: institutional explosion. Listen to this list. The Rotary Club founded 110 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: in nineteen oh five Boy Scouts of America nineteen ten, 111 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: Girl Scouts nineteen twelve, Guanas Club nineteen fifteen, Lions Club 112 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: nineteen seventeen. In the same era, libraries exploded in number. 113 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: Settlement houses like Whole House multiplied. Faith based service organizations 114 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: grew dramatically. These were not just charities. There were civic 115 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: training grounds. They taught people how to lead, how to cooperate, 116 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: how to serve across class lines, and how to see 117 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: themselves as responsible for the whole. Just consider that now 118 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: what the upswing looked like and data. As these institutions 119 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: took root, the numbers shifted. Economically, inequality fell steadily from 120 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: the nineteen tens through the nineteen sixties. Wages rose alongside productivity. 121 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: A broad, massive, powerful middle class emerged. Civically, club membership 122 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: sward volunteering became normalized, church attendants peaked. Politically, bipartisanship became common. 123 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: Compromise was not a dirty word trust in institutions. As 124 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: a result of compromise and bar partimanship, trust in institutions 125 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: was high. The period peaked between nineteen forty five and 126 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy the downswing back to eye then starting in 127 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: the seventies, early seventies, it turned again, rising, inequality, declining trust, 128 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: fewer people joining anything, loneliness becoming a public health crisis, 129 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: and politics turning back to zero sum. His famous line 130 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: still holds. Americans still bowl, they just don't bowl together. 131 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: We didn't stop caring, we stopped being connected. First of all, 132 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: all of that is incredible research, and the data alone 133 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: should have bells going off in your brain just for 134 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: you personally. But the way you look at society, civics, 135 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: culture and voting and politics, and your children's future and 136 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: your grandchildren's future, if we stop this thing right there, 137 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: that should be tingling your spine a little bit. And 138 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: if it isn't, you're not paying attention. But why does 139 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: this matter for an arm normal folks? The upswing didn't 140 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:07,479 Speaker 1: start with federal policy. It started locally, with people organizing, 141 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: with service clubs with shared rituals with visible contribution. Remember 142 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: Boy Scouts but Rotary Club founded nineteen oh five, Boy 143 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: Scouts nineteen ten, Girl Scouts nineteen twelve, Wanners Club nineteen fifteen, 144 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: Lions Club nineteen seventeen. Those are all local things, Those 145 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: are all people organizing. Those are service clubs with shared 146 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: rituals with visible contribution. The upswing was not started by 147 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: the government. It was started by normal folks, and it 148 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: lasted into the seventies, sixty years of improved contribution to society, 149 00:10:54,360 --> 00:11:03,599 Speaker 1: improved trust in civics and institutions, started by normal folks. 150 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: Where are we today, Putnam is clear today looks a 151 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: lot like the Gilded Age again, high inequality, low trust, 152 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: fragmented communities, weak civic institutions. But there's one key difference. 153 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: And we know how this story goes, and we know 154 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: how it turns. The upswing happened once because enough people 155 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: decided we are responsible for each other, and it can 156 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: happen again, not through nostalgia, not through politics alone, but 157 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: through rebuilding the habits of we where we live. That's 158 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: what our local service clubs are, guys, That's what service does. 159 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:49,479 Speaker 1: That's what happens when normal folks stop waiting. The upswing 160 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: will not start in Washington. It will start in your hometown. 161 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: It will start in your neighborhood, It will start in 162 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: your community. It will start on your guys. The data 163 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: is in front of us. The history teaches us how 164 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: it works and what happens when it doesn't. And the 165 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: irony is when we think of all these complicated, complex 166 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: issues and everything that divides us. The answer is so 167 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: very simple. It's normal folks joining community to serve. And 168 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: all of that fixes the inequality, fixes the low trust, 169 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: fixes the fragmented communities, fixes the lack of trust in 170 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: weak civic institutions, all of it. If you want proof, 171 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: just look at what we Americans did one hundred years ago, 172 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: look at what the Gilded Age was leading up to 173 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: what we did one hundred years ago, and view that 174 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: through a lens of where we are today. The pendulum 175 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: has swung and it's up to us to swing it back. 176 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: Alex. 177 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 3: So hopefully we are on the verge of an upswing 178 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 3: as a country. But it feels that way is kind 179 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 3: of what a lot of people are saying right now. 180 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 3: But obviously that only happens if we all act. 181 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: And where best to act within the construct of an 182 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: army and normal folks. 183 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: You're self serving, Bill, Jeez, it. 184 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: Is self serving, but it's there. I mean, somebody had 185 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: to come up with the rotary club, somebody had to 186 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 1: come up with the lions clubs, somebody had to come 187 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: up with a quantus club, and okay, so maybe those 188 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: are outdated and different, or maybe they just need a 189 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: resurgence or whatever. But in today's nomenclature and in today's 190 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: societal construct, an army and normal folks service club feels 191 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: just like those clubs felt like hundred ten years ago. 192 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 3: And it put a couple recent facts we've discussed together. 193 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 3: We mentioned last episode how Rotary has lost one hundred 194 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 3: thousand members. You know, back in the day, it really 195 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 3: was like a social requirement, Like if you were a 196 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 3: business owner in your town, it was expected of you 197 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 3: to be a member of Rotary oh or Kwanas yeah, 198 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 3: or you know, it was expected of you to be 199 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 3: a member of your church. Now that those social expectations 200 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 3: are kind of gone, I think there is an opportunity 201 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: for us to create a new social expectation here and 202 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 3: the best way to do it, Like we talked about 203 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 3: in that Davidson Toola Shop talk, how behavior spreads one 204 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 3: is getting to the twenty percent. 205 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: So the real key is number one. 206 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 3: We need to get the leaders to help start these 207 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 3: clubs around the country, but also everybody else listening who 208 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 3: may not be ready to lead, join in, Help be 209 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 3: a part of the leadership team, be a member, help 210 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 3: get to the twenty percent so that you can tip 211 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 3: over and eventually it becomes the same kind of social expectation, 212 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 3: the same way that rotary and churches used to be. 213 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's good because a lot of people would think, well, 214 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: you got to get to fifty percent to do anything. Actually, 215 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: at twenty percent is when it comes big enough that 216 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: it comes to movement. Ye. So that's it. Shop Talk 217 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: number ninety two, How America lost we and how we 218 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: came back before, and how we can do it again. 219 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: So instead of being at the eye project, it needs 220 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: to be the I we I Wei project. So let's 221 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: do that. If you enjoyed this episode, please share with 222 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: friends and on social subscribe to the podcast, rate and 223 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: review it. Join the army at normal folks dot us. 224 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: For goodness sakes, do something Bill. Yeah. 225 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 3: If you want to go fast, go alone, If you 226 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 3: want to go far, go together. 227 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: It's profound, Alex, thank you so much. 228 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: Have you ever heard that line? Yeah, yeah, all right, 229 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: it's right on this topic of I and we. 230 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: I think I saw it in a bathroom book one 231 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: day when I was taking a dump. Shop Talk number 232 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: tidy two. That's it. We can get we back. There's 233 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: a roadmap and UH and blueprint to it. All we 234 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: got to do is listen to putnam Rita's research, understand 235 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: and what else is Understand, what fixed it? 236 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: And do it again. 237 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: That's Shop Talk number ninety two. 238 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: Guys. 239 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: We'll see you next week.