WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema Rewind: Deerskin 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:07.240 Hey, Welcome to Weird House Cinema. Rewind. This is Rob 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:10.240 Lamb today. We have an episode that aired seven eighteen, 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:13.800 twenty twenty five. I was on vacation when this episode 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:18.640 was recorded. This is a conversation between Joe and our producer, 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:22.760 our excellent producer, jaj about the twenty nineteen film Deer Skin. 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:25.840 So yeah, well, one of the more recent films that 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.160 has been covered on Weird House Cinema. So let's jump 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:29.560 right in. 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:39.240 Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:47.360 Hello, and welcome to Weird House Cinema. My name is 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:50.760 Joe McCormick. My regular co host, Robert Lamb is out 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:54.440 today and so sitting in the guest co host chair 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.920 we have and I'm so excited to welcome him onto 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.240 the side of the mic for the first time. Our 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.480 longtime audio producer JJ Posway. 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:04.760 Jj. How you doing man? 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.759 Hey? Doing pretty well? How are you, Joe? I'm doing great. 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:13.160 To be honest, actually I'm incredibly tired, but I'm not 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:16.800 the same. But I think we're gonna have a great 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:21.040 time today. I'm truly, genuinely so excited for you to 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:22.880 come on the show. We've been talking about doing this 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.640 for a while, and I'm glad we're doing it with 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:28.680 a with a weird house pick. So today on Weird 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:32.040 House Cinema, we're going to be talking about a movie 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:36.360 that you selected, and that is the twenty nineteen French 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:40.520 black comedy Deer Skin, directed by about to say a 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.320 French name, Quinton Depew. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:44.000 How's that? 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.400 Yeah? I think that's probably about how I'm going to 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:53.040 say it too. It's okay, Quanton Depew. Q I'll probably 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:54.000 say Quentin Depew. 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:54.440 Yeah. 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.280 In English it looks like Quintin so Quentin might say 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:01.640 Quentin Depew. So I had never seen a movie by 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.880 this filmmaker before. Obviously this is more recent than a 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.120 lot of the films we cover, but nothing wrong with that. 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.760 So what got you excited about Deer Skin? What's your 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:11.000 relationship with this movie? 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.200 To be completely honest, it's when I only watched a 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:17.160 couple of weeks ago. I have a couple of friends 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:21.360 named Ian and Terrence who have watched most of Depew's movies, 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.120 and they started introducing me to his work, and at 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.720 this point of watched like five or six of them. 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:32.120 They're absurd and surreal, they're a lot of fun. Coincidentally, 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:36.480 last week watching the movie Incredible but True, I thought 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:38.639 one of his movies would make a good Weird House 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.920 Cinema episode, and I definitely recommend that one, but Deer 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.680 Skin kind of felt like the best fit for an 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:45.760 episode of Weird House. 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:49.000 Well, I'm glad you picked this one because I loved it. 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:52.640 I thought it was really weird and funny, just fantastic. 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:57.840 I liked the pathetic, understated sense of humor in it, 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:01.320 and yeah, kind of it's the kind of absurd groove 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:03.840 that it gets into. I think you probably know what 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.880 I mean by this. The pacing of the increase in 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.000 absurdity is really exquisite here. 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:13.320 Absolutely. Yeah, it's it's slow but steady, and I think 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:17.320 groove is the right word. There is like a strange 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:18.400 musicality to it. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:22.000 Yeah, not to it actually has good music in it. Oh, 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:25.400 it's it's not like a musical movie that's like dominated 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.040 by musical motifs, but it has like a few recurring 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.799 things like these ominous horns that come in with these 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.600 little bleats every now and then that are just kind 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:37.040 of sound like something's wrong. But sometimes it's just when 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:38.680 it's a guy looking in a mirror. 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:39.760 Yeah. 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:44.920 Yeah, now, Incredible but True. That's another Depew movie. That's 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.320 the one with the robot penis. We're not talking about 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:47.720 that one. 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:51.200 Yeah, that one didn't seem right for the show, but 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.360 I do highly recommend that one. That one has a 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:56.280 little more of the like a sci fi thing going on, 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:58.840 if you could call it that. I think it's a 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:02.760 really good primer. But every movie I've seen of his 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:08.240 has been really great and pretty He's got a consistent tone. 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:13.560 I read this letterboxed review of Incredible but True, and 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:17.280 it was actually a disparaging review, But the way they 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:22.120 started off I thought was pretty apt in calling Depew 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.760 a premise generator. Yeah, and I think he's really great 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:29.920 at these just absurd premises, setting them up and letting 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.440 them play out for usually like an hour and fifteen 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.400 minutes or so. They're not often long movies. 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.359 So I guess we could go ahead and say what 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.159 the absurd premise of Deer Skin is? 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:43.719 How would I put it? It's about a. 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:48.360 Kind of pathetic middle aged man who goes through some 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:53.400 sort of personal crisis and becomes enamored of a new 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.119 deer skin motorcycle jacket that he paid too much money 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:01.200 for and as his love affair with this jacket and 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:05.360 how he looks in it deepens, it goes to increasingly 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:09.320 bizarre places, and he eventually becomes a co conspirator with 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:13.000 the jacket, and they together decide that they must eliminate 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:16.960 all other jacket wearing phenomena from planet Earth, and this 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:20.240 will be the only jacket human duo that should be 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:21.200 allowed to exist. 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:22.920 I think that's a great summary. 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:28.560 Okay, now, having only seen this Depew film, I can 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:33.600 see how somebody might describe his style as premise generator. 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:34.839 Because. 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.839 While the I think you could call this this style 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.960 of film making like absurdist or absurd comedy, it's actually, 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:48.160 I think quite logical. It's just a very be follows 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:53.160 a C follows BE kind of logical progression pursuing this 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:57.200 absurd premise where if you take the absurd premise on, 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:02.080 everything just kind of flows and it makes sense totally. 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:04.800 There's a quote I want to share later that I 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:10.520 think gets at that same sentiment, and Yeah, what is 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.760 so fun about it is the just the slow ratcheting 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:15.560 up of that absurdity. 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.559 Another thing I want to establish here at the top. 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:23.720 It is hard not to see the main characters increasingly 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:29.279 bizarre and toxic relationship with his leather jacket as having 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:34.520 something to do with the way lonely people become obsessed 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.960 with things. And I feel like this is something I've 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.479 seen in my life has happened with people. I know, 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.640 in fact, I can feel little threads of it in 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.400 myself at different times in my life, the way that 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:51.560 when when you feel kind of alienated, or you are 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:57.320 lacking in a rich, well entangled, you know, sense of 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.680 human connections and human networks, when you're lacking in friendship 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:04.200 and family life and stuff like that, it seems like 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:08.559 maybe you are more prone to find a new thing 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:10.280 and then make that thing. 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:11.840 Your entire personality. 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.360 This is like all, you know, I've discovered that now 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:20.320 I'm into a new hobby or a new artist that 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.920 I like or something like that, and it's literally all 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.440 I can think and talk about, and all subject matter 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.160 is I now relate back to this thing. 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:33.400 Yeah. I agree with that completely, and I think Depew 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.679 from what I've read, has a similar view. 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:40.200 Oh okay, well maybe we'll get into that as we 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:40.720 go along. 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:41.880 Elevator pitch. 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:45.360 I guess I've already given the straightforward description of what 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.320 happens in the movie thematic elevator pitches. I'd say it's 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:54.200 a film about loneliness, falsity, and authenticity, obsession, and of 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:58.920 course killer style, both in the earnest and the ironic sense. 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.640 Absolutely. Yeah, alright, we're gonna play a little bit of 0:08:02.720 --> 0:10:12.160 the trailer audio. 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:14.520 Now, j J. 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:18.240 We we kind of had to put this episode together fast, 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.640 so I ended up streaming the movie, but you were 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:21.760 able to get a hold of a disc. 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:26.480 Yeah, I rented from Videodrome here in Atlanta. It's also 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:28.520 available on Apple and Amazon Prime. 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.880 Though now, as usual on a Weird House Cinema episode, 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.120 we're gonna end up discussing the plot in a lot 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.080 of detail. So if you haven't seen the movie and 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.920 you want to see Deer Skin without knowing everything in advance, 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.280 there are some fun surprises in it. Here is your 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.120 warning pause the episode. Here, go watch the movie first. 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:48.640 But if you think you'll never see it, or you 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.440 just don't care if we describe the whole story in advance, 0:09:52.120 --> 0:10:03.240 let's plow right on ahead. All right, Well, let's move 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.640 on and talk about the connections and discuss some of 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.400 the key people involved. I think you had some stuff 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:14.960 on Quinton Depew the director writer Also I think yes he's. 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:21.200 The director, writer, cinematographer and editor. Depew's a French filmmaker 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.840 a musician. He makes music under the name mister Wazo 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.079 and put out his first DP in nineteen ninety seven 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.719 via the label F Communications. A few years later, in 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.400 nineteen ninety nine, he'd released a single called flat Beat, 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.800 which was a hit in Europe. The music video for 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:42.199 Flatbeat was directed by Depew himself and featured a puppet 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:48.600 named flat Eric. Depew created flat Eric with Jim Henson's 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.800 Creature Shop, and the puppet, as well as the song 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:56.040 flat Beat, were used in a series of Levi's commercials 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:57.439 that he directed. 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:59.360 What kind of animal is he? 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:03.360 He's like a yellow dog but without ears, but with 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.679 the like little beady bits of coal for eyes. 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:13.080 Yeah, I'd say that's an app description. But also little guy. 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.880 Yeah, yeah, he's cute. I mean, is he cute or 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.760 is he cruel? And does he wish me harm? 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:23.320 I feel like that exact intersection is where his music, 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.640 as mister waso. At least the stuff I've listened to 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:26.720 seems to live. 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.839 So I haven't listened to any mister waso, what's the 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.040 what's the style of music? Like, how would you describe it? 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:37.120 It falls broadly under the umbrellas of like electro and house. 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:42.600 He makes electronic music, And I mean, I think you 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:46.000 put it best just in describing Flat Eric. There's like 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:52.400 a very playful sinisterness. There's like always a layer of humor. 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:54.600 Is it like in Deer Skin when there are those 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:58.960 scenes of George sharpening the fan blade to turn it 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.480 into a machete, But he's like playing with it. He's 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.160 playing with the with the watermelon and just having a 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.720 good time. It's like it's like a like a cute 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.680 having fun montage, but he's making a Jason Vorhees implement. 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:14.800 Yeah, yeah, kind of. I linked one of these Levi's 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:18.839 commercials that has a I think paints a pretty good 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:23.880 picture of Flat Eric that features the song flat Beat. 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.800 I'm gonna pull this up right now. Hold on, I 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:30.679 gotta order some jeans. No, it's good, it's like, uh, 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:35.079 I mean it's got that Oh. Here here's where I 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.040 don't know if the correct terminology. It's got a kind 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:42.240 of fuzzy malfunctioning electronics sound to the uh to the 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:45.280 tones in there. Uh, there's something that sounds like a 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.720 like an incomplete connection in the wiring. 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:48.520 Uh. 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.120 But also it's a little bit jaunty, you know. It's 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.480 it's like something you can nod your head to. It's 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.680 not like, you know, industrial downbeat kind of stuff. 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:58.120 Uh. It's fun. 0:12:58.200 --> 0:12:59.920 But but but something sounds a little wrong. 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:04.480 Yeah. Yeah, it's like a little distorted and ultimately it's fun, 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.920 but there's just like a tinge of menace to it, 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:11.640 the most playful kind of menace though. 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.240 But also in this Levi's commercial, it's like a guy 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.719 driving with Flat Eric the puppet. They get pulled over 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.880 by a cop and Flat Eric quickly tries to make 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.440 his car look less threatening, so he turns around like 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.440 a pin up picture, and just on the other side, 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.720 it's a picture of a horse in a meadow. 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.880 So he's still active as mister Waso, and some of 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:38.560 his movies have featured his music under that name, and 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:43.080 he is always credited as mister Waso when he makes 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:47.040 music for his movies. His first movie, titled non Film, 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.480 was released in two thousand and one, but his breakthrough 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.360 movie was twenty ten's Rubber, a movie about a sentient 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.240 killer tire with psychokinetic powers. 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:00.120 So I've never seen Rubber. I had entirely the wrong 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.439 idea about what it was, though I'd seen the cover, 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:08.280 not the movie itself, and I assumed it was a 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:13.319 like self conscious ironic schlock comedy horror movie, something more 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:17.480 like Shark Nato, like in like Irony Zone stuff, And 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.120 now I assume that's not really what it's like. It 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:24.160 is probably something a little bit closer to Deer Skin, 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:27.240 but more firmly in the absurd horror vein. 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.960 Yeah, I think it's somewhere in between. I definitely don't 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:36.160 think it's a full sort of Shark Nato situation. I 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:40.320 actually watched it last night just to get a good 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.760 sense of what that was, and it is closer to 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.840 Deer Skin than something like Sharknato, though I do feel 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:54.200 like I kind of prefer where he goes after Rubber. 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.560 Okay, so that's not his peak. It's not all downhill 0:14:57.600 --> 0:14:58.320 from there. 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.440 At least, you know, opinion, But I think that that's 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.520 one that he's pretty well known for, and it was 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.840 the first of four films he'd make in America, followed 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:10.760 by twenty twelve's Wrong, twenty thirteen's Wrong Cops and twenty 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:14.240 fourteen's Reality. He returned to France after the release of 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.840 Reality and put out his first film produced there in 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:21.520 twenty eighteen. He's been pretty prolific since, sometimes releasing multiple 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.040 movies a year, with his most recent at a time 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.520 of recording being The Piano Accident, which was just released 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:31.840 in France a couple weeks ago. The writer Savina Petkova 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.320 has a piece on deer Skin from twenty twenty one 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:38.080 on the publication The Quietest that I think aptly describes 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:41.520 to Pew's appeal when she writes his films are laden 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:46.000 with characters, situations, and spoofs that produce a hypnagogic effect, 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:50.360 but the reality status is never questioned. Deerskin represents the 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:54.400 opposite of skepticism in relation to the uncanny, a film 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.600 that gladly jumps on the bandwagon of unforeseen ideas with 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.320 an ease that resembles a dream. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:00.320 Yeah. 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.560 I could agree with that there is something dream like 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:07.800 about it, but not in every way. One of the 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:09.760 we sort of got into this earlier. But one of 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.120 the ways I would say it is not like a 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:18.840 dream is that dreams often feel more random, like just 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:23.240 random new introduction of new elements, whereas it seems to 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.920 me that once deer Skin gets going, sort of like 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.640 I was saying earlier, everything just kind. 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:30.080 Of follows logically. 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.960 If if you buy into the initial dream, it's like 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:38.600 a real world that operates fully on the logic of 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.880 like physics and cause and effect, and people behave in 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:47.240 some ways normally, except this real world was created by 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:51.720 an absurdist demiurge who is like, you know, a man 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.040 in a jacket will decide that they must be the 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.400 only man in jacket that can be together. 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.720 Yeah, I totally agree with that. Moving on to our 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:06.600 part agonist. Jean Dujardins plays George born nineteen seventy two 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.520 French actor and comedian. Worked as a stand up comedian 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.160 in France and has been in many films as an actor. 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.400 Some of the most well known include The Artist from 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:20.040 twenty eleven, the comedic reboot of the French spy series 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.560 OSS one hundred and seventeen, and The Wolf of Wall Street. 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.399 As George, he portrays a bit of an idiot, but 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:30.840 he's a confident idiot, and that confidence mostly successfully carries 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.919 him as he reinvents himself around a new jacket on 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:34.240 the fly. 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:38.239 Yes, yeah, I like you flagging the confidence there and 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:42.199 how much it how much it works. Like he's a 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.800 pathetic character, but a different kind of movie I think 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:50.240 would have more of everybody around him just treating him 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:53.200 as a fool and treating him with scorn and actually 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.439 he you know, he gets some pushback in skepticism, but 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:58.160 he also gets pretty far just. 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.520 On being a. 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.040 Foolish, overconfident, pathetic person. 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:07.800 Yeah, he gets remarkably far. He gets remarkably little pushed back. 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:12.240 There's like one exception that isn't even really overt pushed back, 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.920 and that sort of sends him over the edge. 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:16.240 Yeah. 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.199 So I thought Doujardn was good in this role, and 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.959 I knew I recognized him from somewhere, but I couldn't 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.439 place it at first. I actually have not seen the 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:26.440 Artist I think he was. Did he win like a 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:27.960 Best Actor Oscar for that? 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:29.320 Oh man, I'm not sure. 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:31.800 Yeah, sorry, we just had to look this up. He 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.719 did win the Academy Award for Best Actor for his 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:39.119 role in the Artist from twenty eleven. Again, I have 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.080 not seen that one, but I realized what I knew 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:45.720 him from was that he is the corrupt Swiss banker. 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.320 In Wolf of Wall Street, he's the guy who's like 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:54.639 trying to telepathically make make slimy deals with Leonardo DiCaprio. 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:56.639 It's been a while since I've seen that one, so 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.679 I don't remember that. But he's great in this. 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:01.200 Yeah, he is. 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:06.640 There is a there's a soft spoken, matter of factess 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.680 to the way that he resists anything that challenges his 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.359 delusions that is so good. One of my favorite moments 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:18.440 of the movie is when he's been like doing stuff 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.520 that's impossible to explain without getting more into the plot first, 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:25.400 but doing weird stuff that he's like paying these actors 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.639 to be in these bizarre scenes. And one of the 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.920 actors is like, this movie you're making it's a bit weird. No, 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:36.480 he says, it's not weird, it's amazing. It's really good 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.080 delivery on that line. It's in French, but yeah, it 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:39.680 comes through. 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:45.440 Yeah, I agree completely. I love his delivery. I love 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.320 his whole demeanor in this movie. It really sells it. 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.640 Yes, similar things I would say about the next actor 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.840 we're going to talk about is this Adele nl Yeah. 0:19:54.960 --> 0:20:00.240 Annelle born nineteen eighty nine is our second lead made 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:02.480 her film debut at the age of twelve in the 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:06.720 twenty and two movie La Diaba. In twenty fourteen, she 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.920 won the CESAR Award for Best Supporting Actress for her 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:13.879 role in the twenty thirteen movie Suzanne, and in twenty 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:17.320 nineteen she appeared in three movies, Deer Skin being one 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:19.520 of them and the other two being Heroes Don't Die 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:22.840 and Portrait of a Lady on Fire, which is where 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:26.680 I knew her from. She retired from the film industry 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:32.520 in twenty twenty three, citing that the industry defended a capitalist, patriarchal, racist, 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:37.600 sexist world of structural inequality. She's since been active in 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:39.800 theater and as a political activist. 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.480 Well respect her critique of the industry, both from within 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:48.200 and without, but I also I think she's so great here. 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:52.840 I love the way that our empathy for this character 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:58.159 evolves as we come to understand her better, so like 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.880 the evolution goes something like when we first meet her. 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:06.159 In classic comedy terms, this character, Denise is what do 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.720 you call, like the feed or the straight character, the 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.680 comedic foil of the act's main buffoon, which is George. Here, 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:16.840 this kind of character is the stand in for the audience, 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:20.520 the normal person who is there to react skeptically to 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.280 the funny man's antics, and that is what she feels 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:26.280 like in the first few scenes with her. But then 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:32.400 as our main weirdo evolves to become more criminal, basically 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:36.640 more sinister, the drama shifts and she becomes the victim 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:40.560 of his lies and scams, and we feel a totally 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:42.719 different way about her. We start to feel pity for 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:44.840 her while he's like, you know, lying to her and 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:49.320 draining her bank account. And then she reveals that she 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:51.879 was actually always aware of the fact that he was 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:55.119 a fraud, and then she becomes part of the antics 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:58.880 and scams. In essence, she becomes the weirdo, and in fact, 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:01.520 maybe even weirder than the weirdo that came before. She 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:04.320 starts kind of trying to give orders, and so I 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:07.680 love that evolution. You feel like three totally different ways 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:10.600 about her as the movie goes on, and it's a 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:12.480 very seamless kind of transition. 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:16.520 Yeah, I love this too. I was reading an interview 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:20.159 on the publication Dazed that Depew did in support of 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:25.439 Deer Skin, and to quote that interview, originally Depew planned 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:28.000 for Denise to be down to earth every woman to 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:33.320 counteract George's quirkiness. However, Annel insisted that Denise should adore, 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:37.400 blend and slaughter without changing a line in the script. 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:41.719 We decided that she's crazy, the director says, and because 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:44.119 she's an amazing actress, you see it in her eyes. 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:48.240 Suddenly every scene looks different, and Jean looks stupid in 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:50.720 front of her. She's evil and he's just a kid. 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:55.400 That's brilliant. Yeah, yeah, I love that, so. 0:22:55.440 --> 0:23:01.600 Yeah, totally agree. The composer is Yanko Niovich. I think 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:03.560 that's how you pronounce it. As far as I can tell. 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:07.520 He was born in nineteen forty one. He did the score. 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:10.960 He's a prolific Paris based musician who has released over 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:15.240 thirty albums since the early nineteen sixties, mostly library music, 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:19.240 essentially work for higher albums made to be easily licensed 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:23.680 for productions. He's made music under a variety of pseudonyms, 0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:28.160 one of which was Mad Unity. Under the mad Unity name, 0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:31.480 he released one of his most well regarded albums, Funky Tramway. 0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:33.840 I checked out the title track of this one, and 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:40.919 it definitely sounds like a funky tramway. Flattering it's frenetic 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:47.879 and then there's a bunch of like wah guitar. You 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:51.879 gotta check it. It's a funky tramway for sure. His 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:56.240 music has been sampled by artists like Jay Z, Doctor 0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:59.680 Dre the Alchemist, and Freddie Gibbs and Schoolboy Q to 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:02.800 name few. He seems to be sampled quite a bit, actually, 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:06.399 and as of twenty twenty two, he's still making new music. 0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:08.960 And I found news from twenty twenty three of a 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:13.800 documentary called The Sample Return of Yanko Niovich that's currently 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:17.880 in production, I guess. According to an interview Depew did 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:22.240 with Dazed during Deerskin's post production, he scrap plans to 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:27.240 record an electronic soundtrack himself, saying that quote to me, 0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:29.560