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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. You're listening to the Bob Left Sets podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest this week is songwriter Extraordinary Diane Warren. Diane, Hi,

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Speaker 1: good to be here. We're in your building. It's got

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Speaker 1: a big R on the side of it, right here

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Speaker 1: on Cowenda Boulevard. And I can reveal this information because

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Speaker 1: security is very tight. And actually your security guy pulled

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Speaker 1: me the park Parking Street, which is unbelievable. But the

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Speaker 1: amazing thing is he says, people try to get into

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Speaker 1: the building every day, which is really crazy. But it's

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Speaker 1: got a big ARE on the side for real songs.

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Speaker 1: Why is your publishing company known as Real Songs? Well,

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Speaker 1: I like to think that I write real songs, so

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Speaker 1: there you go. But I thought it was a cool

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Speaker 1: name for a publishing company at first. I want I

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Speaker 1: was trying from the name Warren Peace to you a

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Speaker 1: R R N right, I E c um And someone

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Speaker 1: had that like you know, which is kind of but

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Speaker 1: no one you think you try to buy it from him? No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I just when I that's a long story. When I

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Speaker 1: started my own publishing company years ago, I had to

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Speaker 1: come up with a name, and you know, I didn't

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Speaker 1: try to buy that. But I liked real songs and

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Speaker 1: thinking that there's no way that someone doesn't have that,

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Speaker 1: you know, even even a film company is publishing coming

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Speaker 1: with R E. L. But no one had it. I

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Speaker 1: mean I grabbed it and it just it's kind of

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Speaker 1: kind of fits, kind of fits me. Also, you famously

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Speaker 1: had a studio that you didn't clean for seventeen years.

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Speaker 1: Oh you tught what you're thinking about. It's like try

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Speaker 1: thirty two and it's still there. It's still there. You

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Speaker 1: ever go in there anymore? I work in there all

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Speaker 1: the time. You do. But now we're in a building

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Speaker 1: on Kwanga that you own. How did you decide to

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Speaker 1: buy a building? Well, my business manager thought, you know,

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Speaker 1: it would be a good investment. He goes, why are

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Speaker 1: you spending all that money on rent there? I go,

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Speaker 1: I like it. I've been there forever and I've been

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Speaker 1: there again. And I said, but there's this building I

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Speaker 1: really like that I've recorded out. It's some Atlantic Atlantic

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Speaker 1: Records studios are in there now and it's on con

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Speaker 1: It used to be Baby Faces place and sold our

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Speaker 1: records in the past. Death Row also was here. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think the studio on the back is where I

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Speaker 1: shood night held a gun. Easy's head, no loom in

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Speaker 1: all in that room. Who knows what was done here?

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Speaker 1: But anyways, and so I told I told my business

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Speaker 1: managers a building I love, and I said, check out

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Speaker 1: if it's available, if it's if someone's a celt and

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Speaker 1: they did, and I came here and I looked around him, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this I remember. I love this place. I went to

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Speaker 1: the top floor, which reminds me of the place I

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Speaker 1: am now, and I, you know, basically put a bit in.

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Speaker 1: I think someone was trying to buy it, so I

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Speaker 1: put it a little more and I bought it. But

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Speaker 1: I've had it for two and a half years. And

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Speaker 1: I still really work out of my other place. Man, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I still have my other place. So I'm still paying

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Speaker 1: a shipload of rent at at my opposite you know,

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Speaker 1: I've been at forever since I'm five. But I have

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Speaker 1: a writing room here and I have all the studios.

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Speaker 1: And then eventually I'm supposed to move to the top floor.

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Speaker 1: My company supposed to move here. But we've already been

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Speaker 1: here for two and a half years. Well know, it's

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Speaker 1: taken time, Like we've had to get the student like

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Speaker 1: Atlantic at the studios until like the beginning of the year. Um,

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Speaker 1: so we've had to fix them up and um. And

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Speaker 1: then they have to build out the top floor. So

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Speaker 1: that's taken time. Okay, so you're supposed to move to

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Speaker 1: the top floor. Yeah, eventually, I'm supposed to move to

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Speaker 1: the top what's on the top floor now? Like the

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Speaker 1: office buildings, you know, rooms, you know, it was there

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Speaker 1: was nothing up there, so we just had to kind

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Speaker 1: of do it from scratch. So someone had to design it.

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Speaker 1: And but like where I am, I've never cleaned my rooms.

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Speaker 1: I have two rooms there. I don't know. At first

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Speaker 1: I thought it was maybe you know, you know, superstition,

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Speaker 1: But I think I'm just lazy and I don't like anybody.

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Speaker 1: Probably if we went to your house, is your house?

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Speaker 1: My house is a mess too, but not like my

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Speaker 1: my room, you know, I mean, like is it a

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Speaker 1: mess because you want to know where everything is? Okay,

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Speaker 1: the stuff of my house, I kind of know where

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Speaker 1: everything is. The stuff stuff in my office, I don't

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Speaker 1: really know. You let someone come in and clean your house, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but this stuff, I won't let her touch the whole rooms.

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Speaker 1: You won't let her. I don't. I don't live in

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Speaker 1: a big house. You know. I have a couple of

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Speaker 1: few rooms, you know, but you know, no, it's just

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Speaker 1: but my office. It's very comfortable for me. Like you

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Speaker 1: were talking about, you have a place you don't funny

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Speaker 1: big work. I move off. They're just gonna light a

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Speaker 1: match with burden me too. They're gonna I want them

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Speaker 1: to literally cut that room out and bring it here

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Speaker 1: to the top floor. I think it's just really ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I know where everything is, but I must admit there's

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Speaker 1: certain stuff that hasn't been moved in years. I could

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Speaker 1: find messing. I could pick up a piece of paper

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Speaker 1: and if it doesn't disintegrate in my hand, it could

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Speaker 1: say from someone so and so called. Right, I feel comfortable.

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Speaker 1: I like these people who answer every email every day

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Speaker 1: and clean their desk every day. I don't get it neither,

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Speaker 1: you know. I like to answer my emails if I can,

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Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't like the clean desk clean

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Speaker 1: I like it. There's something wrong with you when it

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Speaker 1: is too clean. And trust people. The other question, I

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Speaker 1: go through various phases on the email. Do I want

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Speaker 1: to answer every email? But then I find what I'm

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Speaker 1: not in the mood I give the wrong answer. So

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Speaker 1: there's certain emails I should say I get. I get

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Speaker 1: to all of them, but I don't go to inbox zero.

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Speaker 1: What about like someone something? This what happens to me.

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Speaker 1: I try to be nice even if I don't like

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Speaker 1: and then I'm like, oh shoot, and then get ten

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Speaker 1: more emails back from them like uh, well, we were

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Speaker 1: talking talk about this a little bit off, Mike. I

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Speaker 1: sort of solved that that I don't respond. You don't

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Speaker 1: respond because ten percent of the public is insane and

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Speaker 1: I don't know which ten percent it is, so people

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Speaker 1: seem totally reasonable. I had a bad experience with my

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Speaker 1: Space about God that is about ten years ago, and

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Speaker 1: should be the guy told me. The guy started bugging me,

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Speaker 1: I'm in a radio contest and you have to tell

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Speaker 1: all your followers to vote for me, which is something

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Speaker 1: I would never do. So what I said, No, he

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Speaker 1: had all his followers emailed me my inbox just you

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Speaker 1: could watch it, just going berserk. And that's when I realized,

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Speaker 1: just can't respond to people well. And then no good deed,

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Speaker 1: right yea, yeah, no good deed goes unpunished. You know, listen,

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Speaker 1: I sort of understand it. In that success is hard

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Speaker 1: an outsider, I can understand how you have contempt. There

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Speaker 1: are a lot of people who are just fans, you

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Speaker 1: know what, like like for all the people that have contempt,

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Speaker 1: for people that have done well with your lives, that

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Speaker 1: will go do well with your own life. Why why

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Speaker 1: are you gonna be why why would you have contempt

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Speaker 1: for someone that looks really hard? It's too hard to

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Speaker 1: be successful, you know, I always I always the analogy

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Speaker 1: I always using, but it's too hard for them. I remember,

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Speaker 1: you know they have the TV show Friends, So there's

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Speaker 1: three guys and three girls. That's really where it's the

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Speaker 1: second time today someone's brought up that TV show. What

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Speaker 1: was the context of the first time? Someone with without ours?

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Speaker 1: That was in earlier and I've never even seen the show?

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Speaker 1: Is that weird? Started off good? You know in England

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Speaker 1: the show's in here, they run until no one's watching anymore.

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Speaker 1: But anybody's sitting at home, gay, straight or otherwise. Six

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Speaker 1: people on the show. You could find someone you're interested in.

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Speaker 1: And if you're not living in Los Angeles where the

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Speaker 1: you know, if I moved to Los Angeles, I could

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Speaker 1: don't move someone like me. I grew up in Connecticut,

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Speaker 1: moved to l A. It takes two years just to

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Speaker 1: find out who's full of ship. Okay, takes longer than that.

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Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure it out. So it's like,

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Speaker 1: gonna get angry. Like, if someone's gonna get contemptuous of that,

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Speaker 1: that's their problem, you know. Like I've always admired people

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Speaker 1: there's two things now. Used to be prior to the Internet,

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Speaker 1: a voice online and if you see Okay, so let's

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Speaker 1: let's go back at the beginning. You were from l A.

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Speaker 1: I'm from Van Eyes. Yeah, Vienna, I mean literally Vane.

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Speaker 1: the Vali's a million miles away from Hollywood. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: Like we my friends with hitchhike to Sunset Boulevard were

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Speaker 1: mean we did crazy things, Me and my friends. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're glad, we're lucky, we're alive. Like we hitchhike. Can

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Speaker 1: you imagine getting in a car? Was I got to

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Speaker 1: stop for a second. My parents met hitchhiking, seriously, seriously.

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Speaker 1: They both went to Tanglewood and my mother was working

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Speaker 1: in a camp. My father my mother was getting camp

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Speaker 1: they could never say don't hitchhike right each other exactly.

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Speaker 1: But I remember because it worked both ways. You both

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Speaker 1: And it was the mid seventies. I think it was

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Speaker 1: one wait wait recently, No, this is in the mid seventies.

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Speaker 1: That's the last time. That's the last time I picked somebody.

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Speaker 1: You don't know, someone pulls out a gun or something,

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Speaker 1: once picked up with a guy to rolls Royce. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's different. Although I read about a serial killer one

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Speaker 1: time that I think he had a role. Really okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: off topic, off topic. This is so you're in vien nice.

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Speaker 1: I missed my cat. For real? What did your parents

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Speaker 1: I went to Pierce Junior College for two years, two years.

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Speaker 1: so your father buys you this guitar. Yeah, that's my

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Speaker 1: Martin guitar, yeah, I started. Yeah, I started getting really serious,

424
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Speaker 1: like really obsessed, and I started writing a lot of songs. Okay,

425
00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,680
Speaker 1: let's stop for a second. Did you have any friends,

426
00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,040
Speaker 1: have friends? I'm more anti social. My friends that were

427
00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,240
Speaker 1: like all going out and boy crazy you and all

428
00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,080
Speaker 1: this ship. All I cared about was music. And so

429
00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,240
Speaker 1: you're there playing the guitar. What did your friends think

430
00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,720
Speaker 1: about you and the guitar and you're writing songs. Some

431
00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,399
Speaker 1: some of my friends were really cool about it. Some

432
00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,560
Speaker 1: were like, you know, you know fun. You know, I'd

433
00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,120
Speaker 1: be sitting in the bathroom because bathrooms have really good acoustics,

434
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,760
Speaker 1: so I'd be sitting there with my guitar, and then, um,

435
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, then my dad took me. Supposedly, Dwayne Allman

436
00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,640
Speaker 1: used to pick his guitar to the bathroom. It's great,

437
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 1: but in any event, so your sounds are great. I

438
00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,560
Speaker 1: mean is the acoustics. You would come home from school

439
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,320
Speaker 1: every day and you would practice. I would write songs.

440
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,199
Speaker 1: My dad got me a shed in the backroom the

441
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,240
Speaker 1: house where I could go. So it's like one of

442
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,760
Speaker 1: those sheds you buy somewhere or even like at home depot.

443
00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,440
Speaker 1: I had one. It's it's still there at my mom

444
00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,359
Speaker 1: and dad's house. Well they're not there, but that the

445
00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,800
Speaker 1: shed still is. And my dad would get me a

446
00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,239
Speaker 1: heater for the winter, one of those little hit heater, right,

447
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,439
Speaker 1: So I just go there after school and I'd be

448
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,359
Speaker 1: there like day and night. And when did you decide? Okay,

449
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm ready. I always thought I was ready when I

450
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,960
Speaker 1: was about fifteen. Okay, when I was fifteen, do you

451
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 1: know something called the Songwriters Showcase. I've heard that. It

452
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think it's around him, but John

453
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,960
Speaker 1: Braheenian Lynch. So they had this thing at the time,

454
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 1: was like Capitol Records, and it was I don't remember

455
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Speaker 1: where it was art Let Bows or something like that,

456
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 1: but I but when I came, it was at that

457
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 1: place that turned into a club on the second floor

458
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,199
Speaker 1: on Robertson whatever. But this was before I was in

459
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Speaker 1: l a so well. I was like the youngest person

460
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,360
Speaker 1: that came in there. They dodge edition you and they'd

461
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 1: always say, you know you're not ready yet, come back,

462
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,399
Speaker 1: and then I go, yeah, I know, I'm ready. I

463
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 1: was an arrogant, little asshole. And then my dad would

464
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,440
Speaker 1: go listen to them, you know, and they'd go, Mr Warren,

465
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 1: wait in the other room. Because you had to audition

466
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,439
Speaker 1: to be on the main shop, just to and it

467
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 1: wasn't to be a performance to have your songs heard,

468
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, so we wait, wait, wait, someone else would

469
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 1: perform your song. You know, you'd prefer yourself and I'm

470
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 1: not not but it's not a bopping, you know. For me,

471
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't abouping. A performed was about I never wanted

472
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 1: to be a performer. So finally they let me on.

473
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,919
Speaker 1: I was I was a little maybe almost sixteen and

474
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,440
Speaker 1: stuff and and so that was like cool, but you know,

475
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 1: nothing happened, and then you know, something to happen, you know,

476
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 1: I always expected something happened. But then at the same time,

477
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 1: my dad was taking me to publishers and things like that. Okay,

478
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,199
Speaker 1: so I like I I'd have meetings with publishers and

479
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 1: they'd go, you have a lot of talent, and and

480
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 1: my dad would say, well, if you think she has talent,

481
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,880
Speaker 1: why don't you paying this stuff? And it was kind

482
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 1: of funny, and I'd be I'd be I was a

483
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 1: little like, that's really arrogant, and I'd be like, you're

484
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 1: gonna be sorry someday that you didn't sign me. Well,

485
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,880
Speaker 1: that's probably why you made it. But I'm really good

486
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,679
Speaker 1: with with um, what's the what's the word you know

487
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 1: when fighting against something? Okay, but um, how did you

488
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: decide you didn't want to be a performer. I never

489
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: wanted to be a performer. I would see a little

490
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 1: i'd see the name on a record. The first one

491
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: that I noticed I ever saw was up on the roof.

492
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 1: I saw Gotham King. I go, I want to be that.

493
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: And that's before I even was a songwriter, which is

494
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 1: really weird. Okay, so your dad is taking you to

495
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 1: publishers anybody bite No? I mean they all said like,

496
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 1: you have a lot of talent and blah blah blah

497
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. You know. Yeah, nothing really happened. And

498
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 1: then I met a friend. Through a friend, I had

499
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 1: my first song published, but nothing happened there and then

500
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, later on I met this guy, that producer,

501
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 1: Laura Brown again and I signed with him, and Laura

502
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: was kind of big and that was kind of the

503
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: first artist. Okay. So how long did you How old

504
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: were you when you made the Laura Brannigan deal funk

505
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 1: with Jack Um? Eighties like twenty three? Okay, So you

506
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: thought this was gonna be your one big break? Yeah,

507
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: you know, I just I've always had I've always believed

508
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 1: in myself, like I never I mean, I might not

509
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: have foreseen this level of success, but I always knew,

510
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: like there wasn't a plan B. It was this a

511
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 1: homeless person probably. Okay, So how did you how did

512
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: you convince? Tell us a little bit slower, how it

513
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: came together with that guy and Laura Brannigan. I you know,

514
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: I had a co manager, My friend was co managing,

515
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, working with the manager, and she played my

516
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 1: song for her and she gave it to the guy

517
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: named Jack White, not the White stripes, Jack right Um,

518
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: German record producer, and he signed me. It was a

519
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,479
Speaker 1: horrible deal, but you know it was a start. Okay.

520
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: How long was the deal supposed to run? Supposed to

521
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: be a five year deal, but it was a hundred

522
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: percent publishing. There were things that weren't right about the deal,

523
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: and I decided to leave, and he decided to sue me.

524
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: And that's why I had to start my own publishing

525
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: company because that's when that's when i'd had Rhythm of

526
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: the Night. I had some stuff like that. But the

527
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: first hit with Laura Brannigan is I didn't write well.

528
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: I wrote lyrics to Solidaire that doesn't even count in

529
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: my mind. But I also wrote a song called Rhythm

530
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: of the Night right, which was a really big hit,

531
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: which recoup me, you know, five hundred times over. But

532
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 1: that was when you were still with him. I was

533
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: with him. Oh, I didn't realize that yourself a couple,

534
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: that it was around there where where I left him,

535
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: and you know, it was how did you get it?

536
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 1: How did that all happen? Because Arista Publishing in America

537
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: worked his songs and they put that together. So that

538
00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: was great. So you had totally written the song. You

539
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: didn't know who, I didn't know. The bars was for

540
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 1: a movie and you know, so it was for Last Dragon, Okay,

541
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: very the record hit that was a gigantic record put

542
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: me on the map. That was cool. I brove it

543
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: by myself. That was really cool. How did you um?

544
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 1: What was it like hearing the song on the radio

545
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: for the first awesome? By the way, it still is,

546
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: you know it still is. I was listening to that.

547
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: I just bought a new car. The first song I

548
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: heard was stand Up for Something. That's a recent song

549
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: the Diane Road for a movie about Third Good Marshall

550
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: that we hope will be nominated and win an oscar.

551
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 1: But the nominated for a Grammy, Right, the Grammys. That's

552
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: a whole another thing. Let's say on one subject at

553
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: one time. But did the reversion of Rhythm of the

554
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: Night correspond with your demo and your vision of the song?

555
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: The version? Yeah, it was a great record. Yeah, it

556
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: was pretty close to the demo. So if you ever

557
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: had a situation where you have a demo and someone's

558
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: totally changed it in your unhappy Yeah, and then there's

559
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: been a couple of those. But then if it becomes

560
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: a hit, I'm really happy, really really quickly. I really

561
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: changed my mind. Hey that's great. Okay, So how do

562
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: you decide you want to get out of the deal? Well,

563
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: it was a horrible deal. Um, and I guess he

564
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: he hadn't given me you know what, what's that? I'm

565
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: I'm so non artific, don't know. He gave me advance,

566
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: but he wasn't keeping track of wasn't Yeah, it wasn't

567
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: stuff like that. UM. And my lawyer and I just

568
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: didn't like the situation. And I I figured he should

569
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: have probably you know, changed the deal a little bit,

570
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, when I recouped it a thousand million times

571
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: over UM. And so I kind of my my lawyer said, well,

572
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: you know what, he hasn't you know, given you your

573
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: latest statement. You know, you probably couldn't leave if you want.

574
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 1: So I did, and he sued me. And and that's

575
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: when a lot of people are trying to sign me.

576
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: And I like, I couldn't remember, like telling my lawyer,

577
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: like everybody's trying to sign me. All these companies says,

578
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 1: you can't signs, it will be collusion or whatever. Um,

579
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: and she goes, you need a meat for your company.

580
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: You know, you have to start your own company. I'm like,

581
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: but I don't want to start a monk. So you

582
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: know what, it kind of worked out right, I started,

583
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: and I don't want to start your own company. I

584
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,479
Speaker 1: wanted at that time, I wanted to sign, you know,

585
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: with Chapel or Warner Brothers or whoever, all these other

586
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: people that were coming, because you thought they would actually

587
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,239
Speaker 1: work your record. Yeah, but now I knew no one

588
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: could work my records like me. I mean, I still

589
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, this is still the same way now. But

590
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: but so I so I I left him. He sued me.

591
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: You know a lot of my all my money got

592
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: tied up for for a bit. How long did it

593
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: take to resolve that? I think about a year. But

594
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: I resolved at myself with them because we had to

595
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: go to a court thing before. There was some kind

596
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: of I don't know what that is. So basically you

597
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: had to pay him. No, No, I saw him at

598
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: the what's what was it? Before you go to trial?

599
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: You have to go to there was some kind of

600
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: thing we had to go to me. It wasn't a mediation,

601
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: but it was like we had a meeting court whatever

602
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,239
Speaker 1: it was. And I said to him, why are we

603
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: letting the lawyers get rich? Why don't you? And I

604
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: just settled ourselves literally next day I settle it with him. Wow,

605
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: And just that, just that fast, you started your own

606
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: I had started my own company. But just that faster

607
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: everything got w don't hey, it's Bob left Sets. I

608
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 1: thank you for your time. Welcome to my new podcast,

609
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: the Bob left Sets Podcast. Remember to subscribe on tune in,

610
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. So you said

611
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: you're the best promoter of your own song. I've always been.

612
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: You've always been, So tell her what does you know

613
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: what it is? Because I really believe in them. Like, Okay,

614
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: so when you were writing a song, and you famously

615
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: write six days a week, right, yeah, you what percentage

616
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: of the time are you writing for a specific artist?

617
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: What's the time now? I'm just writing songs. A song

618
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: I want to write, That's why I do it. Let's

619
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: get back to the inspiration a second. But let's say

620
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: the song is now finished. How do you work it?

621
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: S moms, I forget to even demo it. Some some moms,

622
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: I just go on to the next song. But if

623
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: I demo it and I maybe maybe I demo and

624
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: I have somebody in mind. I know I'm going to

625
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: work with somebody. Okay, maybe it's time to denmload that

626
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 1: song and let's let's work that work on that. You know,

627
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: so it's at let's say you have a demo song,

628
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: call us the nuts and bolts of how you actually

629
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: work it. It could be somebody calling me for something

630
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: that that I know, like you now you're an icon,

631
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: when you we're still hustling. I still you know what

632
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: everybody has to hustle. I hustle, I still hustle. I

633
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: would say, we'll give us an example of that. I mean,

634
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: I'll call people up and I'll and I'll you know,

635
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: with the songs right for them. I don't have you know,

636
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: any ego about it remotely. Okay, let's say I'm an

637
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: act and you have a song you things for pitch me.

638
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: I'll say, let's let's meet up. Let's talk about what

639
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: kind of record you're making, and let me play you

640
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: a song that I think is right for you. And

641
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: what if I say no, I write my own songs,

642
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: I'll see you probably shouldn't be now. But usually but

643
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: like okay, like today, you know unnamed artist, you know

644
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: that that I that I worked with and a great

645
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: artist someone who had who had a monster head a

646
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Um, never never done an outside song.

647
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: And you know we were meeting up and I go, look,

648
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play something. I think it's great for you,

649
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: and there's no pressure. I had two songs in mine

650
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: the one song it didn't fit, but I kind of knew.

651
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: So as I was walking here from the other office,

652
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: I had like this, you know, kind of thing came

653
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: to my mind, and now this is the song. I

654
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: played it for him and I just saw the smile

655
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: on his face and he started singing with me, and

656
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: it was just like the way he was singing this song,

657
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: and he goes, how did you know this is something

658
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm going on in my life right now? It's just weird.

659
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, I'm like the song Whisperer, right.

660
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: You know. So now you told me earlier today that

661
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: you met this artist at a party. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

662
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: so you met the artist at a party. How did

663
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: you make it so you ultimately got together so you

664
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: could play him the song? You know? We were talking

665
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: and stuff and that I talked to his manager, his manager,

666
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: I think his manager was with him, and I just

667
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: I stayed in touch and I said, you know, let's

668
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: let's maybe we can do something. I'd love to do something,

669
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: so you are not worried about appearing too aggressive or

670
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: working in whatever. You'll call anybody. I don't I don't care,

671
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, really it's all about the song. Okay, So

672
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: to what degree do you believe you're I mean, no

673
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: one ever says, hey, you know you're working it too hard,

674
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: stay away from me. Some people think I'm working too

675
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: hard sometimes, you know, I think I can tend to

676
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: be that way. You know what it's It's like you're

677
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: a pain in the ass until until you're not until

678
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: they and then you're like, I love your passion. Okay,

679
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: you know this is you know, this is the contradiction

680
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: I can't understand, okay, in that you are very aggressive

681
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: with your songs and very successful, but in your personal

682
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: life you're not that way. No, I don't really have

683
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: a personal life. I have my friends and stuff, but

684
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: I have my own personal I mean, I don't know.

685
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: I just but but as I say, you were very

686
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,479
Speaker 1: aggressive in business. Look, look, I called you we we

687
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, because I was excited about this song, right,

688
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: you know, and that could have gone either way. What

689
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: if you didn't like else you could have written something something.

690
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: I took a chance, you know, but I believed in

691
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: it so much. But I'll make it sort of myself.

692
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: I love like being here now talking to you. Or

693
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: sometimes you go to an event you have a really

694
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: good time. But for me to sit at home and

695
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: say I'm gonna start creating action, it did. I just

696
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: would never do that. Like, if you put me in

697
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: this situation, I'm good, okay, but I won't aggressively try

698
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: to make it happen. I do. I like to make

699
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: things happen, and I like just to But when I

700
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: really believe you can't stop me, I could be annoying.

701
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: I guess, I mean, I guess some people like you

702
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: know well as I say, it's just the it's just

703
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: the you know, the opposite side of your personality. When

704
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: it comes to you pushing the song. In your career,

705
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: you're very straightforward, whereas when you're in your personal life

706
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: you're more doubting, more shy. Yeah, yeah, that is just fascinating.

707
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: It is weird because in real life I'm a shy person, right,

708
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: like totally shy and totally insecure. So okay, after el DeBarge,

709
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: what was the next hit? Uh? Maybe nothing's gonna stop

710
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: us now I get weak. I don't know one of those.

711
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: So how did you end up working. You end up

712
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: working with a who's who of artists. I kind of

713
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: probably almost worked with everybody, and so okay, at the

714
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: beginning of that, as I say before, you're so well known,

715
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: you just approach these people like, how did you end up?

716
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: How do you end up working with Aerosmith? That was

717
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: I've done the song for Armageddon, And that was Kathy Nelson.

718
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: You know, you know Kathy, She's an interesting person. She's

719
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: been behind some of the biggest soundtracks and soundtrack hits

720
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: ever like, and she kind of almost created the whole

721
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: soundtrack thing. You should talk to her. She's fascinating actually, um,

722
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: And it was Kathy. Kathy could couldn't get any she

723
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: could get any artists to do anything. I remember writing

724
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: the song and I thought it was a girls song

725
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: and Kathy's Kathy goes, no, we're getting Erroosmith. They're not

726
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: gonna do my song. You know, Steven Tyler is not

727
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: going to do a song again, you know, a song

728
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: he didn't write. I didn't wouldn't think Erroosmith would, and

729
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: they did. It was the biggest hit hit ever and

730
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: they're okay, So you wrote the song because Kathy wanted

731
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: you to write. You know, I wrote the song for

732
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: the movie. That's what I'm trying to say. You had

733
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: no connection with Aerosmith. She had the connection. She had

734
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: the connection with I mean, I had met Aerosmith before

735
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: I worked with him, But I mean it wasn't me

736
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: that got them the song. How often is it like that?

737
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: And how often is you personally? Most of the time

738
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: I get I get the artist, you know, with a

739
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: Degaga wountil it happens to you. I called her on

740
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: the phone, played it for her Andre Common you know, Okay, okay,

741
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: all that stuff everything. How often do you call somebody

742
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: pitching a song? Um, I do it? I mean every day. Well,

743
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: it depends on the songs. It's always situational, you know.

744
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: But I'm just talking in a week in your word,

745
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if I do it in a week,

746
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, calling artists or something. But I'm pitching something,

747
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, or they're pitching me. You know. It's like

748
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: it's something's going on. Well, how much time do you

749
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: have to spend doing that? I don't know. It's fine,

750
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm fine that that's part of the process. Well, I

751
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: guess for me, it's like like it's it's another side

752
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: of it. It's just another side of my brain. But

753
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: in a perfect world, I'll wake up at noon and

754
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: go to bed at four am. And one of the

755
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: things I say, I don't do it. I don't get

756
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: up that late anymore. I get up now about okay,

757
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: I get up at like six. What I hate about

758
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: the business day is people are looking for me all

759
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: day long, so it's very hard to be creative. Okay.

760
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: Whereas after or seven or eight, before you start hearing

761
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: from the UK at one one am or so, can't

762
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: you just turn your phone off? Theoretically I can turn something, yes,

763
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: or they don't want to miss a exactly. And there's

764
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: so many things going on. You're waiting to hear about

765
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: a doctor's appointment, or you leave your phone off and

766
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: you miss something. You know, it's hard to totally disconnect

767
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: and get in there. I can do it, So I

768
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: just say don't. I'm in my room. Don't let me

769
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: know about anything for a few hours. Okay. So if

770
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: you get up at six, I check my phone. Someone

771
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: really wants to find me sometimes. Okay, if you get

772
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: up at six, what do you do? Like six fift

773
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: I like watch the news all the insanity for about

774
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 1: a half hour. It's about quarter seven. I just get ready.

775
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: I leave the house at seven, leave the house at

776
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: seven thirty, and you come to the office. I go go,

777
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: I go get my coffee, my ice blend and mochus.

778
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: It's Starbucks aware coffee Bean, coffee bean and uh coffee

779
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: being predated Starbucks in Los Angeles. Did I've been going

780
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: I've been going seven at that office. I've been going

781
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: to coffee and they know you there obviously, now they

782
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: know what I know. I kind of walk, you know,

783
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: and get ready. So you get your coffee and then

784
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: what I read the paper, you know, which get the

785
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: l A times can I go online? And then I

786
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: try to be alone, but somehow someone tries to talk

787
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: to me. Okay, what are you looking for when you're

788
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: reading the paper or going on, like looking for inspiration

789
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: or just just reading the insanity of the world. Okay, yeah,

790
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: And then you say people start looking for you, you know,

791
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: just sometimes people know me that are over there, and

792
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: they like come and talk to me. So you're actually

793
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: at the coffee bean cats in my caring piece in

794
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: my car. And then how when do you leave the coffee?

795
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: Being how long do you get the coffee being minutes? Okay?

796
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: And then what happens, Let's go to work? No, No,

797
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: you go to your office. I go to my office.

798
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: I let my cat out of the cock, out of

799
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: the bag because she's been had to get her back

800
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: in the back. She gets out of the bag while

801
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: I'm getting coffee and peas in my car. But that's

802
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: a whole other story. Then I just go and start,

803
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: I mean literally just start writing us I don't know,

804
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: start working on what I'm working on, Okay, So I

805
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: mean I don't write a song a day, and I'm

806
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: just usually working on a song. So are you do

807
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: you work at more than one song at one time?

808
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: I try to work on one, but I kind of

809
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: end up working on more than one. And do you

810
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: ever not finish the song? I try not to know,

811
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: very very rarely try not to do something that I

812
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,479
Speaker 1: don't love, so I have to When I love something,

813
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: I finish it. Well, how about things you don't love,

814
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: I try not to start them because I found you,

815
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: so I mean I always finished because you really sometimes

816
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: you're not the best judge of your own material, and

817
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: sometimes you go back and look at the starts and

818
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: you know I should have finished when the drugs were off, right.

819
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: I finish everything I start, so I try to. Okay,

820
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: So how long does it take you to write a song?

821
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: Um like, I work a week on a song sometimes, Okay,

822
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: lyrics take me a long time. What's the inspiration? I

823
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: don't know. You're asking about my process. I don't know

824
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: what ideas? You know what the inspiration ideas? I come

825
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: up with ideas like okay, but the idea, It's like

826
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: some of my best ideas come in the shower or

827
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: when I'm not paying attention to some of that. Or

828
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: do you sit there in the in the studio say

829
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to a noodle on the piano until an

830
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: idea comes to me. I don't know. I don't I

831
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: don't even think about it. It's like so magical to

832
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: me that, you know, I just play. I play piano,

833
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: I play guitar, I might play some chords. I might

834
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: have a lyric idea. You know, I just see what happens.

835
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: It's not it's hard to describe it. I just do it. Okay.

836
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: I show up. People go, what's your process? I show up? Okay?

837
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: So you view it like a job. You show up

838
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: and you're working and seeing what's happening. Okay, and it

839
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: is a job? What's the job? I love? It's my life. What? Um?

840
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: What are your favorite topics to write about? I tend

841
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: to write a lot of love songs, which is ironic. Um,

842
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: But no, I don't know. I just like to write

843
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: because I've never been in love with Psycho. I'm in

844
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: love with my cat. I really am in love. Is

845
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: that weird? I'm like so in love with my How

846
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: old is your Cat's? Her name's mouse? Wow? Why is

847
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: she named mouse? Actually? When I first got her, she's

848
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: this weird looking cat, and I go, what the fund

849
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: is that looks like a mouse? So I became her name?

850
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,959
Speaker 1: How what's the life expectancy of this? Help forever? Because

851
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: off to die when she died? So, um, do you

852
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: think I don't want to be the armchair psychologist? But

853
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: do you think you're writing about a perfect world that

854
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: you would like to inhabit yourself? No? You think I

855
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: want to hear someone breathetical breathing? Yeah? Really? Okay? Okay,

856
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: so but it's bebelievable. No, And I believe it when

857
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm writing it, But I wouldn't want to live it. Okay,

858
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: that doesn't make it like not you know, a beautiful thing. Okay,

859
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: so you so you start. You have to listen to

860
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: my cat prayer said the same thing. I could stay

861
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: away and listen to her prayer. I guess that works.

862
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: I guess for me, you get the unconditional love with animals,

863
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: but you don't get the feed back. And I must

864
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: admit I'm the type of person who needs feedback. You know,

865
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: I get feedback from people, like with my music or life,

866
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: well just in life. I mean it's great, you know.

867
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: It's like I get feedback from my writing. And believe me,

868
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: I live for that feedback. That. Yeah, you get instant feedback, right,

869
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: and it's asshole reason I do it. But it's you know,

870
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: it's an irony. What do you think when someone do

871
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: do you like live for the when when someone like

872
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 1: you know, do you like does that get something going?

873
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: When someone's you know, it's an asshole to you and like,

874
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, do you like that or is it kind

875
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: of you know? I I don't feelings, I think Okay,

876
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: everyone has different theories about this. I want to read

877
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: all the press. You're pretty fearless, right, I want to

878
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: read all the press, and I want to read all

879
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: the interviews because I want to be inoculated. I want

880
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: to go. People say they don't read their own reviews,

881
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: you're living in a bubble. I don't believe they don't

882
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: read their own reviews. I don't believe that. I don't

883
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: believe they just don't like to say they read, Like

884
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: who doesn't read their reviews? So, you know, then there's

885
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: a cliche. You know that you're you know, you're as

886
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: good as your good reviews and your bad reviews whatever.

887
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: But when someone you know or someone writes a particular

888
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: email or someone you trust, I have people that believe me.

889
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: When I'm working on songs, I have I have a

890
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: few people I try them out on. You know, they're

891
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: going to be really honest and you've written better you know? Okay,

892
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: wait do you try out everything? Yeah? Really? Yeah? When

893
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: I come up with a start, I love those people

894
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: in my office that I definitely go, so what do

895
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: you think? You know? Wow? Yeah, I want and I

896
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: want constructive Christism. I want people to be honest. I

897
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: have producers. I'll here, I'll play stuff. Could that be better?

898
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: You know? Okay? How often do they say something and

899
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: you say no, but they say something you say, I

900
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: don't want to change it. It happens if I really

901
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: believe in it. But I'm I'm I don't have an

902
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: ego about it. So if someone shows me something that's better,

903
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: thank you. But generally speaking, don't you write all your

904
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: songs by yourself? I do, But someone can say, like

905
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: what about if you put that like, change that chord

906
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: to major a minor? Here voice it this way. That's

907
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: still right. I'm still writing songs, you know, but you

908
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: have written songs with other people. Yeah, it's not not

909
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: not many, and so what's that experience, like, I mean,

910
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: it's it could be fun. I just prefer you know

911
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: my own process. I'm the same way. I mean, like

912
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: you don't want to co write you. The other thing

913
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: about it is, I don't know, you know, I can't

914
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: even be interrupted. Like if I'm working at my girlfriend's house,

915
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: I have to be she has one of these houses

916
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: with their no doors and exactly through the skylight and

917
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: you know it's an electric for uh, you're really sharp.

918
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, my guy, I don't know if I

919
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: could go this fast with you, but it's an electric

920
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: fire you can't go through. So there's no chimney. Once

921
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: upon a time it was a real fire, but it

922
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: hasn't been for a long time. But I cannot be

923
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: interrupted when I read about these people who work in Hollywood,

924
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,959
Speaker 1: multiple people in an office, and if I just can't

925
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: imagine that, I just can't be interrupted. I have to

926
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: get my own zone. I hide my room, right and

927
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: I can't be in erupted. But yes, you want to

928
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: know that you're on the right track, and it's a

929
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: great residence. But I will must admit, even the best

930
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: feeling doesn't last. I know, even if I could write

931
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: the best song and then the next day, fuck am

932
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: I doing now? No? Exactly like I hate myself to

933
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: even you have a success and you get all this

934
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: positive feedback, they could be worse. The higher up you are,

935
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: like the varred you fall right sometimes right, Well, then

936
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: you say I could never replicate that, and then you

937
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: know you're yeah, but it's like sisyphus, you know you're

938
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: pushing the stone up the hill. Let you know how

939
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: I look at it. I look at like sometimes like

940
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: the waves crash over like and they throw you. You

941
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: swim out and they come and they throw you against

942
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: the rocks. Then you know what, You wake up the

943
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: next day and all right, I worked out. Now I'm

944
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: gonna swim again and just try to get out farther.

945
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: I have another beach analogy, okay. I you have a

946
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: theory that the waves come in and then the waves

947
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: go out and certain people are left on the beach.

948
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: So in the fifties the wave is beat Nick. We

949
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: even had a beat Nick on tv MA Energy Crabs

950
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: on Dobe Gillis. Okay, So the waves come in and

951
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: then certain people are left there, Alan Ginsberg. All those

952
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: people they live the rest of their lives, but they

953
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: were left in the fifties. You always have to you guys,

954
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: have to change with the times. You have to. I'm

955
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: not sure about that. So in what I do you

956
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: have to? Well, you know, I I feel that I,

957
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, the wave came in and I was left

958
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: on the beach somewhere in the late sixties and early seventies.

959
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: I'll give you a few examples. It's like, you know,

960
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: all this greed and stuff that happened in the eighties,

961
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: it just it was never me. And a lot of

962
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: the accoutre monts, you know, the clothing, etcetera. I understand

963
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: and there's certain values like selling out. You know, I

964
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: just don't understand it. Yeah, I would rather have an

965
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: artist who says no, as opposed to an artist makes

966
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: a big deal because I'm believing. And that's what you

967
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: know about, like really fighting for your art right exactly?

968
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: You know that. And I'm sure even being the songwriter,

969
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: we've gotten these lyrics. I gotten these or from people

970
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: saying I was going to commit suicide, but I listen

971
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: to your record all night and it got me through.

972
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: You know, I've got a bunch of those. You know

973
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: what else I get? I get letters, some really weird

974
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: one from prison. Here's one I just song a long

975
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: time ago, call when I'm back on my feet again,

976
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: and knew whose favorite song it was? What's the guy

977
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: that killed his family? The marine guy? Jeffrey McDonald, Jeffrey Dalmer, No,

978
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: Jeffrey McDonald. You the marine guy that remember that one?

979
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: It was like a famous thing and it was a

980
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: book written about it. And he got he got, he

981
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: got let off, and then they then he got arrested again.

982
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: He was an army, he was a Green Beret doc

983
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: killed his family. I guess his favorite song was one

984
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: of my songs and then I get these letters like

985
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: you know your songs saying you know I'm in prison,

986
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: and I go, I wonder who he's in prison for.

987
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: I come out in two thousand eighties, I get I

988
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: get the ones I haven't been getting him recently but

989
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: I used to get them, but no, but be get

990
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: the ones that like. And you know, the cool thing

991
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: is like I meet people now like a lot, and

992
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: people go, you know that Lady Gaga song, you know

993
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: got me through like that song. I got a lot

994
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: of feedback with guests from the I feel it's a

995
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: disservice to the audience if you're being an artist. I

996
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 1: don't mean you, I just mean a person being an artist,

997
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 1: and they resonate for me to then wore myself out

998
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,439
Speaker 1: to the corporate I mean, you're living the life because

999
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: you're writing songs every day. But there are a lot

1000
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: of people who are artists today, very different from the

1001
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: sixties and seventies, where the music is just a stepping

1002
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: stone to some greater fame. It's kind of weird, right,

1003
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: Sometimes I see some stuff and like it's like like,

1004
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: I guess there's no such thing as selling out. Like

1005
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: it's like it's gone so far beyond sellout. Now, it's

1006
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: just crazy, you know. And every everybody with any success

1007
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles or anybody, they all have an incubator

1008
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 1: and they're investing in tech stuff. You know, what about

1009
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: the music. I'm not investing in tech stuff. What do

1010
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: you do other than your real estate to invest in

1011
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: anything only animal friendly stuff? What would be an animal

1012
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: friendly thing that you invested in. Well, one of the

1013
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: animal friendly things invested in was I bought a ranch. Okay, um,

1014
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: and I with the idea of saving animals. I just

1015
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: saved a cow and its baby from Okay. Well, where's

1016
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: the ranch in Malibu? Okay? So when you say a ranch,

1017
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: how to places? It's like seven acres and there's like

1018
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: the stables, there's areas. It's really gonna be, it's really

1019
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 1: gonna be mainly for rescue. But there's a house. Okay.

1020
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: But is anybody there when you're not there? Yeah, there's

1021
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: somebody that takes care of the animals. So how many

1022
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: animals are there at one time? Well? I saved a

1023
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: horse and his baby from When you say rescued, how

1024
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: did that give it? Walk me a little? Someone told

1025
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: me about it at night? And where was the horse.

1026
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: The horse was at a slaughterhouse basically, and a bunch

1027
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: of horses got saved, and I paid for a bunch

1028
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: of them to find homes. And these two needed a place,

1029
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: so I just bought the place. So I brought them out.

1030
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: So you have the horses, what else do you have?

1031
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: I have three pigmy goats. They're really cute. Yeah, and

1032
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: these are all rescues. The ghosts aren't. But the horses

1033
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: are in the cows and you go there every Sunday.

1034
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: You have to come out there. It's magical there are

1035
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: You're good with the animals, Yeah, I love them because

1036
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: I prefer them to people, don't you I'm free to animals.

1037
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: Don't be afraid. They're wonderful. I guess you know you

1038
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: shouldn't eat them. Okay, but there I've been bitten by

1039
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: dogs too many times. I got bit by a dog

1040
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: when I was a little kid. Big I got bitten

1041
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: twice in one year, once hiking up in the stuff

1042
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: about it and you call him no, no, I mean

1043
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: you know it was one of my was walking to

1044
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: the burrito place. Dog got loose, went straight for me

1045
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: and just bit me. Why I didn't want the barrito? No,

1046
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: I was walking to the Burrito Blaze. Another one was

1047
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: really fucked up. This is a high in the hills

1048
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: above Malibu, and so I'm hiking in one direction. Somebody's

1049
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: on there were hiking it? Were you hiking by the waterfalls? No? No,

1050
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: this is much much higher up. I suddenly can't remember

1051
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: the name of it. And I'm walking along and somebody's

1052
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: coming on a horse in the other direction, okay, which

1053
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: is very strange. Normally there's not somebody there, and they

1054
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: have a dog following them, and the dog the horse

1055
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: buys me, and the dog comes comes behind me and

1056
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: bites me. It's this person's dog. And You're like, I'm

1057
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, so you know all these people?

1058
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: I didn't. I talked to my doctor about it, but uh,

1059
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's like I'm just and I had I

1060
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: was at a dude ranch. Do you have any animals?

1061
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: I don't have any. First of all, I traveled too

1062
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: much to have animals. I mean, if you've traveled, you

1063
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: an you got to do something with them. Well, if

1064
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: you get two cats, they could keep each other company.

1065
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: I guess to rescue them. But it's also a lot

1066
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: of responsibility. What if what if the animal dies or

1067
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: something happens, It's not gonna die. Just give them food

1068
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: in a litter. Cats are cool. Cats are pretty indie.

1069
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: So you only have so at home. You have cats,

1070
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: but not dogs at home. You don't have any dogs.

1071
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: I have one cat mouse. She comes to work with

1072
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: me and she goes home with me. Cat issue. She's teeny,

1073
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: but she's cute. But I take funny pictures over I

1074
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: have to show you. I make her look giant. I

1075
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: make her look like she's gonna like. We both yawned

1076
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: at the same time, so it looks like we're like.

1077
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: It's cute. Okay. So in the time you have left,

1078
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: have you achieved your dream or is there anything else

1079
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: you would like to do. I just want to do

1080
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: what I do. I want to keep doing what I

1081
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: do to be honest, you know. I mean, it's not

1082
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: one dream. I haven't you know? Okay, you're writing songs?

1083
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 1: Is there something cool? It's like Oscar, that'd be cool. Okay,

1084
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: But is there somebody you haven't worked with you'd like

1085
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: to work with? No work to so many people, But

1086
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: there's probably someone I don't even know I want to

1087
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: work with that it's not like I mean, if I

1088
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: can only work with some I don't know. Okay, Is

1089
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: there a song you haven't written that you want to write? Yeah,

1090
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,439
Speaker 1: I just don't know what it is, but of course

1091
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: there is. What I'm trying to say, is you do work.

1092
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, you want to get inspired on a

1093
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: regular basis, you want to write songs. But in your mind,

1094
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: is there like an iconic song that you want to

1095
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: write that you haven't written yet? Not that I know of,

1096
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: but I'm sure there will be. I'm not not being

1097
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: evative saying you know. I mean, yeah, there's gonna be

1098
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: a lot of great songs I write. Well. I guess

1099
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say is, at this stage of

1100
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: the game, do you have any goals? At the stage

1101
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: of the game, I want to get better and better

1102
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: and do more and more. I mean, I feel like,

1103
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: even I've been doing this a long time, I feel

1104
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: like I'm just beginning in a way, like I don't

1105
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: feel like I don't feel like a veteran, even though

1106
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: I am a veteran. Okay, many people would say all

1107
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: this change in technology, which has disrupted music since the

1108
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: beginning of the century, has really heard songwriters. How do

1109
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: you feel about that? I mean, I think it has

1110
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: because I don't understand if someone comes up now and

1111
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: it's just streaming, I don't know how people make a

1112
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: living at that. Well, that's where that you're writing songs.

1113
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: Streaming is winning, you know, No, I know, I know.

1114
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I still make a lot of money

1115
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: and my songs still do well, and there's a lot

1116
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: of licensing. So I'm talking about like someone coming up now,

1117
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: right So if someone like the me of now, if

1118
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: I just came up, you know, if I just wrote

1119
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: songs for people, that's a tough way right now, with

1120
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: with with streaming being what it is, to be honest,

1121
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: because the writers and the publishers, you know, and we

1122
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: live in a hip hop world right now, is that

1123
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: music that you appreciate want to be involved? And it

1124
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: was all right, I write for a lot of urban artists,

1125
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, so I don't. I don't do a lot

1126
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 1: of wrap. So I did work with Snoop a couple

1127
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: of years ago, so that awesome really happened. He had

1128
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: really good weed and I got really stone and whole

1129
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: pizza by myself, you know. But when I met him

1130
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: and we talked about doing something again. That's when he

1131
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: was Snoop lyon right and I go, I want you

1132
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: to sing. I I wrote the song called the Good Ship.

1133
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: It's this really cool song like kind of like like

1134
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: like comparing a relationship to to weed. Basically, I thought, well,

1135
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: if anybody's going to do that song, that's Snoop. And

1136
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: so I called him on the phone and I played

1137
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: it for him on the phone and he like loved it,

1138
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: and he came over the next day and we started

1139
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: recording it and he's sang it and he and then

1140
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: he goes, he goes, you know what, I can't sing

1141
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 1: the word ship. I have to say the good good

1142
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: which I guess means weed as well. I go, like,

1143
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: I really I'm being I'm being censored by the fun

1144
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: the police guy. I loved it. You know, it's yougonization.

1145
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: But I loved working with him. He's great and he's

1146
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: saying it was a really cool record. Then it was

1147
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: used an overstocked commercial and it was kind of so

1148
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,959
Speaker 1: subversive the weed a weed song, like you know, stock

1149
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 1: dot com. So it was kind of funny, but yeah,

1150
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: it was. It was great to work with him. Any

1151
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: other stories like that, I have to say, think about him.

1152
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: I have like so many funny stories, but I have

1153
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: to look like I don't know how we got to

1154
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: we got to we got to urban music, right, Yeah,

1155
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: a lot of urban stuff in the grounds this year,

1156
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: a lot of hip hop stuff. I think that's reflective

1157
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: of society at large. I mean, this is a much

1158
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: bigger topic. You know, people have been bitching that the

1159
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: Grammys have been under representing the urban sound for years,

1160
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: but the acknowledgement of hip hop and urban now is

1161
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: a reflection of what people are actually listening to. It's

1162
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: the end of our era. It's like, I don't know.

1163
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: I don't look at it like that because I think

1164
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: like songs always work. I mean, in my I'm doing

1165
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: it from a different thing. You're absolutely right, a great

1166
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: song can be covered forty years later. But I guess that,

1167
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, I hear as far as rappers, I have

1168
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: common on my record, right, you know, right. But I'm saying,

1169
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: if I if I work the theory out music drove

1170
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: the culture in the sixties and seventies and then in

1171
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: the eighties with the MTV, music does not drive the

1172
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: culture at this particular point in time. So there's a

1173
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: lot of baby boomers who reminisce about when and they

1174
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: go to see the old acts and they bitch about

1175
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: streaming and the bitch about hip hop. They're now in

1176
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: the rear view mirror hip hop one. How about country?

1177
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: Everything's by the way, everything cyclical, Well, the funny thing

1178
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: is cyclical. No, it is cyclical, but it hasn't been

1179
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: prior to the twenty one century. Every three or four

1180
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: years would be a whole new sound. It's weird, you know.

1181
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: It's like the same thing with fashion and how people

1182
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: look when you if you look in a movie from

1183
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, they're wearing This isn't weird. Like remember

1184
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: like in the seventies and like everything was different, like

1185
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 1: the air styles and the horrible clothes. But it was horrible,

1186
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: but it was different. Right right now, if you see

1187
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: a movie twenty years or even twenty five years ago,

1188
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: everything looks the same. It's really weird. I don't know

1189
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: why that is or whether it's you know, because culture

1190
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: has been one one music, Like exactly when somebody comes,

1191
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 1: like when Elvis came into Beatles came or Prince or

1192
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: you know, right or even Elton John the same something

1193
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: you heard on the radio and go this is it.

1194
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: I specifically remember where I heard I Want to Hold

1195
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: your Hand the first time, sitting in my mother's falcon

1196
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: in the dry I've waited from falcon. My father bought

1197
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: the falcon used and he didn't know and was angry

1198
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: to find out that it was a Hurts rental car

1199
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: and it was the best car we ever owned, never broke.

1200
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 1: But um. But in terms of what how about country

1201
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: you ever right with a country artist? I've written a

1202
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: lot of country hits actually, okay, like like give me

1203
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: a couple how Do I Live? Which was a number

1204
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: of Bammy winning country song for Tricio and Leon Rhymes

1205
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: had a you know, worldwide hit with it, probably my

1206
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: biggest hit. Actually, I've written songs for hits for Faith

1207
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: Hill and Tim McGraw just to say that you Love

1208
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: Me from um Sarah Evans a bunch of Tim because

1209
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: they're still using real songs, yeah, whereas the urban world.

1210
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: It's two different things. More poetry than regular songs, not

1211
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: much melody, not a lot, you know. But then I

1212
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: could do, you know, do a hook for somebody you

1213
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: know too? You know, they could wrap in the verses

1214
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: you still want you still want a good solid chorus hopefully,

1215
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: So you have this song that you know, we can

1216
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: only you know, hope and pray that will probably be

1217
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: nominated for an Oscar and hopefully we'll win. I want

1218
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: you tell us the back story of that. Um. It's

1219
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: a song called stand Up for Something. Um. I wrote

1220
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: it from a movie called Marshall, which is coming out

1221
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: this weekend. Again. They're putting it out, yeah, because because

1222
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: the song got nominated and they got eight A a

1223
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: CP awards and nomination, so there's some heat, you know. Um.

1224
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: And I met Reggie Hussling, the director, during when I

1225
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: wrote The Lady Caugus Until It Happens to You. I

1226
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: met he was producing the Oscars and I met him.

1227
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 1: I happened to be out with a friend of mine

1228
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: at lunch and she or dinner and he was and

1229
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: she said, oh my cousin wrote this movie on through

1230
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: good Marshall that Reggie Hudlin's directing. Oh my god, I

1231
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: want to write a song for that. You know. That's

1232
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: the whole Oscar is so white time and stuffing good. Um.

1233
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: And so I I knew Reggie, so I called him.

1234
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: I said, you know again, see it's me making the

1235
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: move so I called him. I said, look, I you know,

1236
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: i'd love to read the script, and you know, he goes, yeah,

1237
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: we're shooting it now, and he was, I'd love you

1238
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: to do the song if you'd got inspired. So he

1239
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: sent me the script and I wrote down on the

1240
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: on the script, I was done. It all means nothing

1241
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: if you don't stand up for something. And to me

1242
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: it was so simple but profound, you know, because it

1243
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: really is the truth, you know. And I came to

1244
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: the office, I say, I listened to Change is Going

1245
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: to Come? You know, how often do you do that?

1246
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: Not that I mean, not that often. But I wanted

1247
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: to capture something. I wanted that song to capture, like

1248
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: what we're talking about, when music could drive the conversation,

1249
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 1: when you'd hear change is gonna come, or people get

1250
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: ready or what's going on? You know where these were

1251
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: all like great urban records, and but they were like

1252
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: and they weren't. They were inspiring because you'd hear a

1253
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: change is gonna come. You want to make that change right?

1254
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: You like hear that ship and it's like, man, it's

1255
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: like I feel like I could change the world. So

1256
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: I want to capture that. I want to write and

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00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: I already had the title, I had the idea, and

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00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: I just that chorus wrote itself just like that. It

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00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: was like in one take. I was like, oh shit,

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00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: is this as good as I think it is? And I,

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00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: you know Julie in my office, I played it for her.

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00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: I said, come and tell me if this is great,

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00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: and she goes, oh my god, I have chills. I go, oh,

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00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: it's it is. And I thought maybe I'm stealing this

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00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 1: because it was it sounded like it was always there.

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00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: But but but I didn't, and I came up with

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00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: the verse, and I came up with a great verse

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00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: really quickly, and then the second verse was like really tough,

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00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: and I had the idea of why I wanted what

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00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, and it just took me all

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00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: day to come up with one with you know, um,

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Speaker 1: you do the best, to do the best that you

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00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: can do. Then you can look in the mirror proud

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00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: of who's looking back at you. To me, that's the

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00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: best line in the song. That took like a day

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00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: just to come up with that, you know. And then

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00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: so I finished the song. I called Reggie played it

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00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: from I go with you know Me on the piano

1279
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: sounding like ship, and he goes, I are you kidding me?

1280
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: I have chills all over my body, goes, this is

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00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: like I this is one of the best names I've

1282
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: ever heard. So I demoed the song and um he

1283
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: came over the studio here he loved it. And then

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00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I go, you know, let's get

1285
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: Andrew day that. I thought she'd be the right thing.

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00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't even thinking she she had rise up, I

1287
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: would stand up. But it wasn't even that. I just thought,

1288
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: because I just think she's one of the best singers

1289
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: like on the planet right now. And I thought, you

1290
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: know what, this song with would be so great for her.

1291
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: And her manager and I were talking and we were

1292
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: I think he brought up let's get a wrapper on there.

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00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: I go, I don't know. One of us said common.

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00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, let's let's try for Common. A

1295
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: week later, I'm going to um Sundance and writing back

1296
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: in the Commons, sitting on the plane, so I started singing.

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00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: I started singing it to him. I told him about

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00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: the song. I sang him the chorus again again, you know, horribly,

1299
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: singing horribly, and he goes, oh my God, you guys

1300
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: send me the song. So I sent it Santo him

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00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: the next day he was like, I had like ten

1302
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: missed calls from him, and he goes, I have to

1303
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: be on this song. Please find find an area where

1304
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,919
Speaker 1: I could just you know write a rap on there.

1305
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: So we we put that in. And then so I saw,

1306
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: this is a really weird thing. So when I saw

1307
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: the movie with the demo in it, I didn't know

1308
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: and Andrew was actually in the movie. She plays like

1309
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: a Billy Holiday character. Isn't that weird? So the whole

1310
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: thing was meant to be that Andrew and then Common

1311
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: sitting next to me, you know, and behind right behind

1312
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: me on the flight. So it just kind of happened,

1313
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: and you know, and then you know, the record came

1314
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: out and and it's it's getting a life of its own,

1315
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, right now CNN is using it, All these

1316
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: different people are using it, you know. Besides, you know,

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00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: it's it just got nomine for an Oscar Grammy, got

1318
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: nominatee for a Grammy. Um, you know, and that was cool.

1319
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: That was unexpected. So I wasn't even saying anything, like

1320
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: I kind of knew the Grammy nominations were coming. In like,

1321
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: I guess if my phone rings early, that's a good sign.

1322
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: It did, but I was awake. It was like my publicist, Um,

1323
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: but you girls, yeah, I've got good news, like wow,

1324
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: you know, because you know, you never know with any

1325
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: of that stuff. And there were only two songs from

1326
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: this year nominated in that category. It was the Taylor

1327
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: Swift song and stuff from last year like La La

1328
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: Land stuff like that. I forgot what else? So then

1329
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: it's cool. How many times you've been nominated for an oscar?

1330
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: Eight times? How many times have you want an Oscar?

1331
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: No times? Did you prepare a speech those eight times?

1332
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: I prepared a speech last time, and you know what,

1333
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: it was really bad? Okay, so because everybody really thought,

1334
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: until it happens to you was gonna win, including me,

1335
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: and it's the only time. Well no, because you loved

1336
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: me a long time about I kind of thought so,

1337
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: but not like this time because when everybody's telling you

1338
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: and my friend Frances Fisher, she's an actress, so she

1339
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: came to my hat. I'm gonna go over your speech

1340
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: to you. I'm gonna put it all over your house,

1341
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: like on the mirrors and stuff. You have to like

1342
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: learn it because I I kind of wrote, I wrote

1343
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: my own speech, was a little speech. It was a

1344
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: really nice speech, and um, so she got she put

1345
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: it in every mirror and everything. So the Oscars the

1346
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: next you know, this is on a Saturday, is Sunday

1347
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: when she put them all over the house, I was

1348
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: like on the Sunday morning, like looking, you know, Sunday night.

1349
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: And then and and then you see that amazing. I mean,

1350
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: Gaga's performance was one for the ages that was was

1351
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: fantastic with those kids with the writing on their arms,

1352
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: I mean, and and her performance was it was insane,

1353
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: and Joe Biden introducing it and then everything was great

1354
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: until and the winner is that part wasn't great? And

1355
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: then I have to go home to see all those

1356
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: things all over the mirrors and everything. Fuck that right,

1357
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: So what's it like hearing somebody else's name in that circumstances.

1358
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna be like, oh, it's okay,

1359
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: it's fine. Now, don't know, I'm sure it sucks, but

1360
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: usually but usually look, usually I don't expect it. So

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01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, at that time, I kind of did you know,

1362
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: and a lot of other people, everybody. My phone was

1363
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: blowing up people were like when I was walking, you know,

1364
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: I was sitting back, like Steven Spielberg was writing back

1365
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: at me like that, and he goes like like, what

1366
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: how did that not win? You know what I mean?

1367
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: So people like everybody thought that was gonna win. And

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01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,439
Speaker 1: if you do win an oscar, what will that mean

1369
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,919
Speaker 1: to you? It will be really great? And and yeah,

1370
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: it'll be amazing, It will be amazing. It'd be really

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01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: cool if it was this song. I think this is

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01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: the best thing I've ever done. Hi, this is Bob

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01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: left Sets. I don't want to thank you for being

1374
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: a fan of my podcast. You can email me at

1375
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: Bob at left sets dot com and let us know

1376
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: what you think and suggestions were open to all ideas.

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01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: Be sure to subscribe it tune in iTunes or your

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01:01:55,880 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: podcast player of choice. Next, we have Eric Brazilian, the

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01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: genius behind so many Hooter songs and he also wrote

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01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: one of us by Joan Osborne. You know that you

1381
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: really love it. Tune in to hear those stories and

1382
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: the story of the making of the first Cyndi Law

1383
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: pre album. I guarantee you you'll be intrigued. Must be

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Speaker 1: out out