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Speaker 2: We are podcasting today from someplace very cool and special.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are the Wilson pop up store on Broadway

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Speaker 1: here in New York City. How long has this been

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Speaker 2: For We have had a Racket residency for the month

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Speaker 2: of September, so it's nearly over. But they until our

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Speaker 2: Cobra Theater are hosting Love All, which is a Wilson

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Speaker 2: Tennis experience. So when we walked in today, walking through

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Speaker 2: the museum, walking through some of the obviously the retail,

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Speaker 2: looking at the history Billy Jing King did her book

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Speaker 2: signing here for all in she gave a speech with

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Speaker 2: kat Adams, I had a chat.

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Speaker 1: In an interview. So there's a really really cool.

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Speaker 2: You know, display going through, you know, from the Billy

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Speaker 2: Roger Vetter years. And obviously there's a store and here

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Speaker 2: we are upstairs in the lounge that Racket has curated.

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Speaker 2: So it's a very very cool, very very cool thing.

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Speaker 1: That we are exciting.

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Speaker 2: It's intending to not do this in your living room.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well thanks, but yeah, I'm a lot more excited

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Speaker 1: about doing it here. I was not able to come

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Speaker 1: to all those really cool events during the US Open

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Speaker 1: because I was working, as you know. And yeah, so

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Speaker 1: it's kind of cool to see the history obviously with

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Speaker 1: Billy and Roger and Serena and Venus seeing their sort

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Speaker 1: it was really cool.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and you did a great job obviously. Racket

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Speaker 2: always does a great job.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 2: So if anybody wants to visit it, it is at

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Speaker 2: five pointinety four Broadway in Soho.

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Speaker 1: You can pick up a guide that we did to

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Speaker 1: New York City Tennis. Yeah that was cool, dude.

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Speaker 2: It was all the public courts that we frequent, a

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Speaker 2: few donut spikes that I like to head up afterwards.

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Speaker 1: It's it's courts that you frequent, because I don't have

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Speaker 1: anywhere near the time that you do clearly define tennis.

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Speaker 2: No, it's flexibility. It's attitude and flexibility.

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Speaker 1: That's what I have. You want to meet anyone who

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Speaker 1: plays more tennis than every tennis player on the tour,

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Speaker 1: it is Caitlin.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm living the Racket magazine lifestyle you are.

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Speaker 1: And now I have to say, do come to the store.

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Speaker 1: Please pick up one of those guys, because if you

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Speaker 1: do want to find the most random tennis courts in

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Speaker 1: New York City and donut shops Kateln's, you go there,

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Speaker 2: We have so much talk about it, A post US

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Speaker 2: Open suddenly very feakened period on the calendar, feakend feakened?

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Speaker 2: Is that too much a word for you to get

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Speaker 2: your mind around? I mean it is early, it's early.

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Speaker 2: We've got Ostrava with three exclamation marks for some reason,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what is with that?

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Speaker 2: I have no idea, but I saw it on the

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Speaker 1: On the back of the baseline. It's brilliant. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Great marketing. I will say though, that when you think

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Speaker 1: about tennis, particularly women's tennis, you think of Ostra. Now

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Speaker 1: you think about the Czech Republic. I mean, honestly, you

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Speaker 1: the tournament there, led by of course Patrick Avitova, who

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Speaker 1: seeing players that we'd hoped we're going to have great

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Speaker 2: it's a tough landscape. Before we get back to Australia

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, look the decision they made a couple

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Speaker 1: A good just saying they were the first major sporting

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a hall for their Europeans to

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Speaker 2: Which is such a cool concept that we should bring

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Speaker 1: that's the key. Unfortunately, we followed the money and sometimes

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Speaker 2: This, but well, having been a Chicago resident for a

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Speaker 1: This one's a big one. This was a five hundred

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Speaker 2: So it's a huge tennis city. Good for them that

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Speaker 2: It sounds like you're like, you're no, I'm covering like

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Speaker 2: I just want to make a point about this calendar

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Speaker 2: So somebody's got here because I've helped your backhand, but

436
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,479
Speaker 2: you told me my friends above your period.

437
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:26,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's Darren Khle's your gut. Just got married.

438
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see where Simo ends up. But the coach,

439
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 2: the husband's not a potential coach. He was definitely not

440
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Speaker 2: a coach.

441
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,719
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Maybe they just felt like, and

442
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 1: you do get to a point even if you I mean,

443
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,919
Speaker 1: they have really good friends, they like each other a

444
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,680
Speaker 1: lot as human beings. So I think it's also come

445
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,680
Speaker 1: down to the fact that maybe they've just run the race,

446
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 1: you know. They There's only so many things and so

447
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,159
Speaker 1: many times you can say the same thing to a

448
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 1: player before you feel like you've done everything you can

449
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 1: to help them. So I think maybe it's a good time.

450
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 1: I mean, six years is a long time together. They

451
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 1: had that break in between when Darren basically said, if

452
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 1: you don't pull your head out of your arse and

453
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 1: stop being a shithead on the court, I'm out. So

454
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 1: that would from time to town. But you know, credit

455
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 1: to him, because I will tell you there's not a

456
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 1: lot of coaches that do stuff like that. You know.

457
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 1: I would hope that my players always feel like I'm

458
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 1: telling them how great they are, they're supported, and they're

459
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Speaker 1: you know, do it. They I wouldn't be here if

460
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Speaker 1: I didn't believe in them. And yes, you can hit

461
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Speaker 1: that fullhand under pressure, and yes, I feel like you're

462
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Speaker 1: the best player I've ever worked with them. Whatever it is,

463
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 1: you just tell them. You know, you got to tell

464
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Speaker 1: them what they're doing wrong at the time on the

465
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Speaker 1: practice court, But when it comes to matches and their

466
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Speaker 1: emotional state, you've got to be very positive with them constantly,

467
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 1: because that's the thing that they hook onto in the

468
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Speaker 1: crisis moments on the court. And you know, I would

469
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: suspect that Sam would say on a crisis moments she

470
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 1: would hear me in the back of her head telling

471
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Speaker 1: her how great she is and how this and how that,

472
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Speaker 1: and it was always positive. Now, whether she believes it

473
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Speaker 1: or not at that time, it's not like that's not.

474
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Speaker 2: My but you issue You've labored to try to get

475
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Speaker 2: her to that place exactly.

476
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: But if you constantly ripping on your play, yea that

477
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: they're incapable of doing something under pressure, that's what they're

478
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: going to fall to.

479
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 2: Very very few people perform their best when they are

480
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Speaker 2: in a state of fear and anxiety, and having had

481
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Speaker 2: a coach in college who tore us down and pitted

482
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Speaker 2: us against each other, I can tell you that, yeah,

483
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 2: you maybe got people to run harder in practice, but

484
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 2: when it came time to match play or doubles or

485
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,239
Speaker 2: cheering for each other on a court, none of that

486
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 2: materialized because we were all basically skilled a state of

487
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,439
Speaker 2: fear and anxiety as opposed to, hey, we're all in

488
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Speaker 2: this together, let's go. You look over your coach and

489
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: they're pumping their fists, they're positive, you feel like they

490
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Speaker 2: have your back. That stuff makes a world of difference.

491
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Speaker 2: At least it did at my you know, D one

492
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Speaker 2: college level, and I can't even imagine at the pros.

493
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Speaker 2: So can somebody get demoralized, especially a great, super talented player.

494
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Speaker 2: Yeh Goodina has a great career ahead of her, assuming

495
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Speaker 2: that you know, she puts the pieces together, and maybe

496
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Speaker 2: this is a piece that could be changed. I mean, listen,

497
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Speaker 2: I don't know if for a coach or anyone who

498
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Speaker 2: in her cat in her camp listens to Rack and

499
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 2: magazine podcasts, but if they do, and if he hears this,

500
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 2: you are doing a disservice to.

501
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: Your player by ripping her a new one. Every single

502
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 1: time she plays a match in front of everybody at

503
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Speaker 1: the gym's, in the player's lounges, wherever it is, you're

504
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: doing a disservice. And any coach out there that thinks

505
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Speaker 1: that that's okay, you need to come and have a

506
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Speaker 1: chat with me, because it is not okay now that

507
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: there are times where I have gone over a match

508
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 1: with my player in the gym and you know, I mean,

509
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: I'm very animated and no one would ever think I'm

510
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: yelling at my player. Yeah, And so if you are

511
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 1: dealing with that as a player, you got the wrong person,

512
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: because you need someone who's going to support you in

513
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: the toughest moments, be tough on you, tell you what

514
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: you could have done better and whatever. But in the

515
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: end you have to feel like in the pressure moments,

516
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Speaker 1: like it's Samona Hall with Darren, she would never feel

517
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Speaker 1: anything but support from him in those moments. You have

518
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Speaker 1: got to have that person on your in your camp.

519
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: And so I don't know why I wanted to bring

520
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 1: that up, no, but it's been bothering me for like

521
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Speaker 1: at least a year because I've seen it for a

522
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: year now for him, so well, I want.

523
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Speaker 2: It's actually a nice segue into somebody that we want

524
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Speaker 2: to talk about. Who is Maria sakari who's had who's

525
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: come getting closer and closer to having the breakthrough that

526
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people who watch her play

527
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: who when you see her and she's on you think, oh,

528
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 2: this is one of the greatest players in the world.

529
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Speaker 2: She's fit, she's fast, she's got all the tools, and

530
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Speaker 2: she's come very very close and had frankly some kind

531
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Speaker 2: of devastating results in the Grand Slams only to say

532
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: she's done so great. Had a match point to go

533
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Speaker 2: into the finals at Rolangara sent against Barbara Kreschikhova, ended

534
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Speaker 2: up losing the match. I think a lot of people

535
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 2: are as I like to call a Kurjikiba whatever you

536
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: want to pronounce her name, as she had a match point,

537
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Speaker 2: Maria Sakaray should have been in that final against an

538
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Speaker 2: Associa probably a t about two me. Similarly, she had,

539
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Speaker 2: you know, a matchup in the semis of the US

540
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Speaker 2: Open against Emma Radakano. That's I think. I don't know

541
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Speaker 2: if that's a more winnable match or a less winnable match,

542
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 2: but you know, she's she's knocking on the door, and

543
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 2: that's got to hurt.

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Speaker 1: Clearly came favorite once won her match against Sakari, sorry

545
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: against Sablenka a Sabalanca, and then she knew that going

546
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Speaker 1: into that match she was by far the overwhelming favorite

547
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Speaker 1: to win the tournament, to beat Radakanu and then also

548
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Speaker 1: to beat Leila Fez in the finals. So I think

549
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Speaker 1: I don't know if the pressure of that moment hit her.

550
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Speaker 1: It's similar to what happened to the French that was

551
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden. It was such an open tournament,

552
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Speaker 1: and you know Maria as if there's a nicer kid

553
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: onto her, there's not many. She works hard, she puts

554
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Speaker 1: her head down, she plays tough, and I think she's

555
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Speaker 1: getting better at learning to deal how to play the

556
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Speaker 1: game of tennis, because she does have quite a good

557
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Speaker 1: all court sort of game. Costing points are more like

558
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: yes man, instructing points and when to go for the

559
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: big shots and when just slice the back end sometimes,

560
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: when to come into the net every now and again.

561
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Speaker 1: There's definitely parts of her game that can get better,

562
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Speaker 1: and I think they will over time. She's with Tom Hill,

563
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Speaker 1: she's been with him now for a while so I

564
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: think that, you know, she's learning and maturing, and hopefully

565
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Speaker 1: the next time the semi finals rock around, she will

566
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Speaker 1: be prepared and ready to go. She had a weird

567
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: incident incident at the US Open where she had the

568
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: wrong skirt size on at the beginning of the match.

569
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Speaker 1: Maybe that through her. She was literally had a skirt

570
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Speaker 1: on too big, which I just don't even know how

571
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: that happens, because we all get the size of sent

572
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Speaker 1: to us prior. It was just an error. Yeah, and

573
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Speaker 1: you don't look, you don't look, just put it on,

574
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: because Adidas would have given that to her. You just

575
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: like to say, Addas gave her that bag of stuff

576
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Speaker 1: and she probably just took it out thinking it was

577
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: a proper size and it wasn't. So that through her

578
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: for sure in the first couple of games, because I

579
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Speaker 1: even reported on that on ESPN Live, I said, there's

580
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Speaker 1: something going on with that skirt. And then she went

581
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Speaker 1: off the court it through two to one, I believe,

582
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: and changed it. But she had opportunities to break Emma

583
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Speaker 1: in the first game and didn't do it and was

584
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Speaker 1: stressed about this stupid skirt, and then all of a sudden,

585
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: you know, she ends up losing the match, so I

586
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Speaker 1: don't know that's that was like a weird moment that forms.

587
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Speaker 2: And which is why I'm really happy to see her,

588
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: you know, Strava doing really well well because I look

589
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: at the year that she's had and again somebody like

590
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Speaker 2: Sablanca who's so close, like they're getting closer and closer.

591
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: And these are two players you can see in Sabalanka

592
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: can see in, you know, holding trophies over their heads,

593
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: but Grand Slam trophies over their heads, and you sort

594
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: of think who's going to be first, Sabalanka probably Yeah,

595
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, but from a coaching perspective,

596
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 2: since you were just talking about belief, you know, those

597
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 2: are both interesting moments to sort of go back and say, Okay,

598
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 2: I'm close. How do I take the lesson from that

599
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 2: without being devastated.

600
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Speaker 1: I think that Sablenka will appreciate not having fifteen thousand

601
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: people screaming against dred Prison. That definitely affected her and

602
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: definitely probably cost to the match.

603
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Speaker 2: She never loses that match on any others or I

604
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: don't believe, so not even close. And I think that

605
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 2: for Maria it's just learning to deal with the pressure.

606
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: Of being really good now and she's having to expectations

607
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: and she's still that. I mean, she's at our highest ranking,

608
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: so I really love her. I mean, if there was

609
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: a player I'd love to coach, it would be her.

610
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: But she definitely is a player that will win a slam.

611
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: She just got to stick at it. I think probably

612
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: the French will be her best. Yeah, even though she plays.

613
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: Great on hardcore. So I just think her gamelines itself

614
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: really well to clay. So we'll see Labor Cup.

615
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: What do we think about Labor Cup? Wow?

616
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Speaker 2: I for the record, love exhibitions. I love team events,

617
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 2: I love innovation. It's why I really, really truly love

618
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: and I will fight to the death anybody who comes

619
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,239
Speaker 2: at me about Patrick Maritaglo's Ultimate Tennis Showdown. I think

620
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: it's fun and silly, and there's nicknames and the trophies

621
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: of Lightning Bolt, and it's dual gender. There's a lot

622
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: that I appreciate about the fact that there's a new

623
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Speaker 2: event with lots of hope and lots of spend and

624
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 2: lots of creative direction. There's a lot that I'm finding

625
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: left wanting and it's not all Zvera related to be honest,

626
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: but the choice to include somebody who's been incredibly accused

627
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: of domestic violence as your marquee player is just that

628
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: a choice. Should it have been a time out from

629
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: them with him, he should be suspended from the tours

630
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: pending an ATP investigation. The fact that the ATP, the

631
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: USTA An Tennis Australia are all investors in this event

632
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: and they haven't pulled that card is disappointing. The fact

633
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: that teammate was representing you know again, the company that

634
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: puts this event on, that owns this event where this

635
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: accusation of domestic violence in part occurred, confirmed to us

636
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: in our original reporting by a Labor Cup official, is

637
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: really disappointing. They if anybody knows about what happened, it's them.

638
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: At a certain point, it's a choice. It's not just

639
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: the default setting and an invitation only tournament, you know,

640
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: the US Open kate control whether Alex verav makes the

641
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: semifinal or final.

642
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying.

643
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: The invitation to come and represent your country and pose

644
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: for photos around in suits and be part of all

645
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: the press, and then to further delete comments with that

646
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: from the internet, with anybody a choice to continue to

647
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: include him insane. It's a barber Stratsan scenario.

648
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 1: That is crazy. I could not believe when people were

649
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Speaker 1: tweeting to me about it, and I was like, look,

650
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Speaker 1: I've gotten control of this, don't. I mean, I mean,

651
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: what am I going to do? I mean, listen, if

652
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Speaker 1: I was the commission, I mean, I would have women

653
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: at this event. But hey, that would be hotman cum.

654
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: Right, But yeah, what was so bad about hotmin Cum?

655
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: Nothing? Yeah, I am.

656
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: If I if I were the commission, would I would

657
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: have all three of the governing bodies I just mentioned divest.

658
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: I would have a real reckoning and I would say, listen,

659
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: exhibitions are great. It does not bother me in the

660
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: least that it's you know, related to points that people

661
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: are taking it seriously, that they're spending a lot of

662
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: money and get a lot of fans engaged. I think

663
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:51,719
Speaker 2: that's awesome.

664
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

665
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: What I find critical about it is the choices that

666
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: are being made. And when you look at something that's

667
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: so great like Hopman Cup that is dual gender, dremely

668
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: popular that the players love that again brings eyeballs onto

669
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: the sport. I got a text from my mother in law,

670
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: who I think has spent a total of two minutes

671
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: contemplating the game of tenn as much as watching it.

672
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: Roger Feder, it's so true. She could not give less

673
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,719
Speaker 2: of a ship she I got a text from our

674
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: seven in the morning Roger Etfeedder is playing Serena Williams.

675
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: How do I watch? And I said, well, that's kind

676
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: of true. It's in Australia. It's a Hotbin Cup. They're

677
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: playing on a mixed team against each other. But the

678
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: truth is the are.

679
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: Playing against each other and you can watch it. And

680
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: here's how might.

681
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: It be nice to see Andy Maray and Emma ren

682
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: accounting the Brits?

683
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, this back and call it the Racket Cup.

684
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: We will do it.

685
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: Just somebody give me all your money. I do that, Yeah, exactly.

686
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: Can I be coach?

687
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you coach the coach the world?

688
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: Well I could coach either because I do have dual citizenship.

689
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: No, but that's still world. You wouldn't be able to

690
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: coach Europe's World versus Europe.

691
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: So you're yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll get Yeah, my ancestors

692
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: did do come somewhere from But here's my listening. Here,

693
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: here's my thing about that wholes very of thing, and

694
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: I get asked ignausum about it on Twitter and come

695
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: on and make a comment unless here's the deal.

696
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: The reporting has been done, the story is out there.

697
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: You can read it for yourself.

698
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you any further answers to

699
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: that story and what happened then what the reporting is

700
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: going to? So do me a favorite. Stop asking me

701
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: about it on Twitter. I do appreciate that you bring

702
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: me into the fold, but I don't have anything more

703
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: to give on that. The one thing that I do

704
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: not understand about this entire inquisition and this whole thing

705
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: is that hot that labor cup official that went to

706
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: the room quote unquote and saw and apparently said that

707
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: she was in that bathroom with insulin. What where is

708
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: that guy or a girl? I don't know who it is.

709
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: It could have been a woman or a man. Do

710
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: you know if it was a woman or a man?

711
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: I do. We fact checked it with legal but I

712
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: won't reveal their gender. But yes, it's a person they

713
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: confirmed this is.

714
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: Isn't this person? Why isn't this person brought up by

715
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: the ATP? I respect that.

716
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: Question, but I also think there are first of all,

717
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: by the thresholds of domestic violence policy if there were

718
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: one on the books, and there are rules on the

719
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: books for everything. If there's ten thousand dollars fine for

720
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: carrying a bag onto the court, which not approved. If

721
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: somebody is accused of violence credibly like Bernardo Atomic's dad

722
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: gets the boot from a tournament, right like, there are

723
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: all sorts of rules that don't even exist on the

724
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: books about domestic violence specifically that could be applied here.

725
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: So two things. Some of this abuse was alleged to

726
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: have occurred at atp ITF and Labor Cup events, all three.

727
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: Any one of those bodies could decide, Hey, we have

728
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: created a domestic violence policy, as the NBA has, as

729
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: many other sports leagues have, and we will suspend the player,

730
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: investigate and come to our own conclusions. We don't need

731
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Speaker 2: a law. First of all, this woman is Russian. I'm

732
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: sure she doesn't want to press.

733
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Speaker 1: Charges in Russia.

734
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: Events were alleged to have occurred in the US, Paris,

735
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: and Geneva, which are all three very different jurisdictions. Alex

736
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: Verev is a citizen of Germany of Russian descent who

737
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: lives in Monaco. What are the extradition policies between all

738
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 2: three of those entities. I don't know.

739
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure she doesn't.

740
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 2: She's underfunded and doesn't you know, appear to want to

741
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: expose yourself to further, you know, scrutiny and abuse the

742
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: way that we know victims of domestic violence often find

743
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 2: themselves scrutinized and criticized and come after by large swaths

744
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: of fanship. The onus isn't on her to me. The

745
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: onus is on the leagues. Yeah, and it's not. I

746
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: have very little to say about Zverev himself, like he's

747
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: playing good tennis and I'm sure if people want to

748
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: watch the Liver Cups they can see him play in it.

749
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: My issue is more with the empowered, the power, the

750
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: powers that people have, and this is specifically teammate to

751
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 2: take action and there's no there's no reason that that

752
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: shouldn't be happening. And to actively invite somebody with whom

753
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: this over whom this cloud is hovering without doing an

754
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: investigation and exonerating them yourselves, is a choice. And it

755
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: says something about power structures, and it also says something

756
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: about why people don't come forward in the first place,

757
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: because everybody in tennis, with the exception of frankly brave

758
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: reporters and people who are clear minded enough to sort

759
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: of say, hey, this is a good problem, have backed

760
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: the default power structure that exists.

761
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree on all of it. And it's a

762
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: sad commentary in tennis overall.

763
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: As any of this criticism is intended to be taken,

764
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: whether it's US talking about the Tennis Channel or US

765
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: talking about libor Popper, us talking about governing bodies, I

766
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: don't like to see it as criticism. I like to

767
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: see it as an invitation to do better. Yea, hey,

768
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 2: it's an invitation to do better.

769
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's the same thing with what happened with NAIMI

770
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: Like it's you know, there are there are people that

771
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: you know, really support her, and there are people that don't,

772
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: and there are people that don't support her for X reasons,

773
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: and the people support her because of why reasons. I say,

774
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: let's take a step back and say, what can we

775
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: do as a sport to make it better?

776
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: Can we do media to make it better?

777
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: In an overall situation? And we now have Naomi Osaka

778
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: not playing probably for the rest of the year, is

779
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: that better for us. I don't think. So, Now, where's

780
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: her state of mind? I don't know she does she

781
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: love tennis? I don't know, does she? You know, is

782
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: she completely exposing yourself constantly to this narrative of you know,

783
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: you're weak and you don't want to play tennis and

784
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: you're too busy going to the met gulla and it's

785
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: just constant exposure. I don't know. I mean, probably the

786
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: best thing for her is to completely step away from.

787
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: Maybe the game. But I can tell you is the

788
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: game better having her in it?

789
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely?

790
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 2: Right?

791
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: So same and.

792
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: Again, like and I think so many of these things,

793
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: especially on Twitter, want to be like you're pro Alex Parrap,

794
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: you're pro Oh yeah, you're anti Namy, You're pro Namy.

795
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know. All of this stuff, Like

796
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: anything is an opportunity to be introspective, be in dialogue,

797
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 2: try to actually hear what people are saying and get

798
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: to a place that's that's better than you found it.

799
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: And maybe that's just too old. I mean, it's just

800
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: too idealistic. But I think again, none of this stuff

801
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: is set in stone.

802
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: People.

803
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 2: The NBA went from not having a domestic vialence policy

804
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: to having one right. Unfortunately, you know, tennis is an

805
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: individual sport and as you said, the USTA or you know,

806
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 2: the Grand Slams can have their say in certain things,

807
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: but the ATP and the WTA can write their own

808
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 2: rules and it's the only power that they have over

809
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 2: the players is that they can actually stop a player

810
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: from playing an event or whatever because it is sanctioned

811
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: by them.

812
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: And you know, these exhibitions.

813
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: You don't invite people that you that are just in

814
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: disrepute in so many ways to what you believe in

815
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: as a human being. And so yeah, so challenge the

816
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: overall picture, do better? Do better invade women and think

817
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: about Yeah, I.

818
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: Mean I don't where's where are the women's events?

819
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, But I would much rather be turning

820
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 2: on the TV and seeing you know, the Harmin pup

821
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: this week or yeah, you know, I'm not watching it.

822
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: I'm watching Ostrava. But I mean, this is getting support

823
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: from the USTA, from Tennis Australia.

824
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: It's like to me that I haven't I have an

825
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: issue with that. I do. I have an issue with that.

826
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 2: I do.

827
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: And listen, I know, Praye Tyley, he's a friend, you know,

828
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: obviously Stacy Alistair. All these people at the USTA in

829
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: Tennis Australia, they're friends of mine and I love that

830
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: they're promoting the sport more and this is a huge event.

831
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: But what yeah, I mean, that's all I can say.

832
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: I think so. So in other words, you're gonna let

833
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: You're going to let teammate or i'mg or wm me

834
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: or at Octagon all these you know, sports agencies that

835
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: have the players. That's the problem.

836
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: They own the players, right, they own the players. These agencies,

837
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: these agents own the players and tell them what to play.

838
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: And this is how much I got money for you.

839
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: I got you a quarter of a million dollars to

840
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: play three matches here, would you play it?

841
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: Of course they're going to play it. These players aren't

842
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: vested in the betterment of tennis. That's the problem. Well,

843
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: these players are not vested in the betterment of tennis.

844
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: They're not. Okay, some people are going to be really

845
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 2: pissed at me for saying that they are vested in

846
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: as are the agents.

847
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: How much money am I going to put in my pocket? Yeah? Okay,

848
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: that's all they care about, and there's nothing wrong with that.

849
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: It's we live in a society. But when you are

850
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: getting money given to you by governing bodies that are

851
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: supposed to take care of the grassroots their sport, I

852
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: have a problem with you sanctioning an event that is

853
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: solely for one sex. I do.

854
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's so many problems with la. Now, if

855
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: you want to take all the money that you make

856
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: from Labor Cup and you put it into grassroots for

857
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: women and then you you.

858
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: Let me know that and you say this is where

859
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: it's going. Yeah, okay, then we might have a different conversation.

860
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: Oh well, look at that. I think you just got

861
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: to my conclusion of what an opportunity to do that?

862
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 2: Better?

863
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: Do better? There you go.

864
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 2: Well, it's a challenge to you, guys. We know you're

865
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: going to make a ship ton of money off Labor Cup.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna make a shit ton of money.

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Speaker 2: You have an opportunity to do better, So let us

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Speaker 2: know what you do. Next topic, Next topic. I'm just

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Speaker 2: did you feel how cool it was when you left

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Speaker 2: your apartment today? We are getting into full I know

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna as soon as we're done recording, publish a

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Speaker 2: beautiful photo series that our creative director, David Bartholo from

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Speaker 2: girla versus Bear, who's one of our LA brain trusts,

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Speaker 2: took of Hawaii because David and I were talking this

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Speaker 2: morning about how we're not ready for the fall and

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Speaker 2: we want.

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Speaker 1: To still hang on to the summer. An asshole get

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Speaker 1: to go to Australia, so we'll hold like it. Don't

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Speaker 1: get to an asshole because you how much is costing

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Speaker 1: me to fly back to stress the pandemic. It is

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Speaker 1: the point. It's not I'm not lining my pockets. You

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Speaker 1: get to go to summertime, you get summer. I hear

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Speaker 1: what you're saying. That's what I'm saying. I would pay

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Speaker 1: and quarantine to get two summer's a year. I hear

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Speaker 1: what you're saying. But you know, look, poor poor people

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Speaker 1: in Melbourne who have this strain open. You know, they've

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Speaker 1: been in lockdown more than anybody in the world other

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Speaker 1: than maybe North Korea. And I'm not kidding you, poor

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Speaker 1: poor Victorian stuff, and they just had a fucking earthquake. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so give them a break. They need the strain open.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully we can have crowds. I'm actually never break. I'm

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Speaker 1: just not hearing you a breage. Okay, all right, fine,

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Speaker 1: Well I got to do a lot of trap. I

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Speaker 1: hope I can go to Melbourne one day. I've never

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Speaker 1: been to the Australian Open Listen. All I can say is, people,

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Speaker 1: we are trying to do better by the sport. We

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Speaker 1: are thankful that you have joined us for this very

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Speaker 1: interesting and different podcast. For us, we got a little

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Speaker 1: what's the word controversial. We are in the Wilson pop

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Speaker 1: up store and everyone is downstairs and they're being very

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Speaker 1: quiet for us, and we do appreciate that. But if

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Speaker 1: you are in New York, come to the Wilson pop

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Speaker 1: up Store. It's on bradwayn House and yeah which and

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Speaker 1: pick up our guide to New York City tasks And

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Speaker 1: Chicago is one of the great cities in the world.

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Speaker 1: Go visit Chicago. Even though it was the last time

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Speaker 1: you with it. I'm not a big Chicago person. Oh

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Speaker 1: I love Chicago. Go the West Loot best restaurant, Mary Wendy.

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Speaker 1: It's get out of yourself. I don't, I just don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't. You're from Montreal. It's on a lake. We

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Speaker 1: love lakes. Well, that's one of the many ways in

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Speaker 1: which we diverge. I'm a river I'm a river gal.

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Speaker 1: All right, well listen stit tuned to the shoo Off

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Speaker 1: for the rest of the year, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: get back to you at some point about all of it.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic, all right, Thanks Forney, We love you, Peepe, Thanks Wilson,

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Speaker 2: and that's it for.

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Speaker 3: This episode of the Racket Magazine Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 3: Our host is Renee Stoves. Our co host and producer

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Speaker 3: is me Caitlyn Thompson. Music by internationally renowned DJs Jetch Armstrong.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Tim Or Jerry and then the team at acast.

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Speaker 3: Find us at racketmag dot com, slash podcast, and subscribe

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