1 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to save our protection. If I heart 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: radio and stuff media. I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren Bogelbaum, 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: and today we're talking about saltwater taffy, yes, which I 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: am very unfamiliar with. Yeah, you just had your first 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: piece to your personal knowledge, like minutes before we started 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: recording this here minutes minutes. It was banana split. Okay, 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: it was very banana. I thought it was going to 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: be chewier. It was very chewy. I thought it was 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: gonna be harder, I guess, and saltier, but it was. 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: It was salty. It wasn't not salty. Yes, I am 11 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: so bad at this game. It was salty, but not 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 1: too salty. And that's okay. Okay. So, so you're unfamiliarity 13 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: with this product baffles me in the way that I 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: now suspect that my lack of familiarity with like boiled 15 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: peanuts fold you, because this is something that I grew 16 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: up with. Like, um, one of my aunts and uncles 17 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: have a taffy pull hook up in their kitchen. Wha yeah, um, 18 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: But you are probably familiar with other taffy's, which might 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: be why you had this concept of it being a 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: harder product UM like laffy taffy or starburst um are 21 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: high chew. If you're familiar Japanese candies, those are all 22 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: stiffer versions of this type of candy. UM. And those 23 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: taffys are going to be a whole other episode, y'all. 24 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: They're they're also sometimes called in the international market um 25 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: choose or fruit choose or taffee confusingly, or even a 26 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: white or fruit caramels. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, but those 27 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: are not saltwater Taffy's no, no, no, But that does 28 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: bring us to our questions. It does saltwater taffy. What 29 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,639 Speaker 1: is it? Well, saltwater taffy is a sweet, sugar based 30 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: candy that's chewy and sticky, but also very light and 31 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: saw often like a little bit melty in your mouth, 32 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: like a chew or your marshmallow. It can be all 33 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: of these things at the same time due to some 34 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: of the amazing properties of sugar, which we'll get into eventually, y'all, 35 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 1: I don't have it for this episode. Candy making is complicated. 36 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: It's chemistry and physics at the same time as many things. 37 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh gosh, and it is actually dangerous as 38 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: it is. I say it very excitedly, but I have 39 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: had I've had a number of boiled sugar related injuries. Anyway, 40 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: um uh, salt or taffy. Yes, it's made with a 41 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: combination of crystallized sugar, liquid sugar or some kind water, salt, 42 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: and some kind of fat. Um. No, no actual ocean 43 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: water goes into the making of these things. So but 44 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: salt and water. Yes. The ingredients that accomplish all of 45 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: this can vary. Molasses or corn syrup might be the 46 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: liquid sugar, palm oil or butter or coconut oil or 47 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: perhaps even white chocolate can be the fat, the grease 48 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: um other stuff like corn starch and glycer and might 49 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: be added to keep the texture of of the taffy 50 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: a smooth and creamy into help with shelf stability. The 51 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: natural flavor of taffy is just sweet and a little 52 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: bit like fatty or buttery, and maybe molascity and probably yes, 53 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: with a tiny twinge of salt in their depending on 54 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: what kind of ingredients went into it. But you also 55 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: see a lot of fruit flavors banana, watermelon, orange, lemon um, 56 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: a lot of sweet herb or spice flavors like peppermint, cinnamon, 57 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: root beer. Some of the most popular flavors are probably vanilla, chocolate, 58 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: and strawberry. The natural color is going to be like 59 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: a satiny cream to a very light tan, but a 60 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: food coloring is often added, especially two flavored taffy's. And 61 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: it's made in these uh long ropes and for serving, 62 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: cut into bite sized pieces and wrapped in wax paper 63 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: or maybe plastic. It's it's soft enough that if you 64 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: put a handful of pieces into a jar unwrapped, they 65 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: all just ooze together. Yeah. Um. It's sold either already 66 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: packed up in boxes or from bins which you can 67 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: uh to use your own mix and by by the 68 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: pound or by the piece. Yes, I have witnessed that 69 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: it's a summer seasonal candy. I say, sort of, it 70 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: can be, it can be, yes, yes, did you have 71 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: a favorite flavor? Oh gosh, I do not remember. I 72 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: have absolutely no idea. Maybe just kind of like classic vanilla, 73 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: maybe peanut butter, peanut butter. Well, from what I read, 74 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: it is a summer seasonal candy, or it is a 75 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: good summer seasonal candy because it doesn't melt like chocolate, 76 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: so it is great in warm weather. Yeah, it is 77 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: certainly convenient for that reason, UM, it can be sort 78 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: of a pain to make during the summer because the 79 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: humidity makes a huge difference in your final product. High 80 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: humidity makes it more difficult or perhaps even impossible to 81 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: get it to set up correctly. UM. I'd say it's 82 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: associated with summer because of the mid twenty century popularity 83 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: of taking summer vacations on East Coast beaches, where it 84 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: was primarily produced at the time. More on that in 85 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: our history section. UM I will say that it's a 86 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: not unpopular gift, perhaps especially around end of the year holidays, 87 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: where it is sometimes traditional for families to to have 88 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: uh taffy pulls, like a party kind of thing. Yeah. Uh. 89 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: If you're thinking about how on Earth this has made 90 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: a well, the basic process of taffy making is this, 91 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: You bring the main ingredients to a boil, cook the 92 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: mixture gently until enough water has boiled out that the sugar, 93 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: once it cools, will be at some stage of firm 94 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: but pliable. Uh. The temperature and again humidity in your 95 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: kitchen means your mileage will vary here. Um. Also, some 96 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: folks like a softer taffy and some like a firmer 97 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: one for for those of you with experience in candy making, 98 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: I've seen recipes call for anything from the firm ball 99 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: stage all the way up to the soft crack stage, 100 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: which is a huge range in temperature. So anyway, um, okay, 101 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, you cook the stuff together, then let let 102 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: the sugar syrup cool enough to handle, and then you 103 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: work the mass um using little extra fat to to 104 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: prevent sticking to your hands and surfaces and cat and 105 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,559 Speaker 1: whatever else are in the way. Um, and then yeah, 106 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: but by working it, I mean that you stretch it 107 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: and then fold it back in on itself and then 108 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: stretch it again and over and over, and this is 109 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: called pulling. The pulling is a way of air rating 110 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: the candy, the same way that you whisk eggs to 111 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: beat air into them. Taffy is just a lot denser 112 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: than eggs, and this requires heavier labor. And you can 113 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: either add flavors during the cooking process or during the 114 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: pulling process, or both if you feel like it. Uh, 115 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: coloring usually goes in during pulling. The only time that 116 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: you wouldn't want to do flavor addition during during cooking 117 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: is for something that will get um volatile, like like cinnamon. 118 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: I heard I heard tell of a kitchen having to 119 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: clear out for like thirty minutes to de gas the 120 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: cinnamon situation. Yes, yes, I recently threw some in a 121 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: minute of fire. Oh gosh, no questions please, But is 122 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: this a lesson I have learned recently? Was this Harry 123 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: Potter related? Maybe you know me too well and it 124 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: looks very guilty. Right. I had fun, but I learned 125 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: a lesson. But that's that's good. I'm glad If a 126 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: lesson was learned, it was manting the counts thank you. 127 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: And you can't make your own? Oh? Yes, yes, it 128 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: is hard work though it takes like probably about twenty 129 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: minutes of pulling before it will hold its shape well 130 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: and thus be ready for for packaging. UM. And this 131 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: this specifically is where humidity is not your friend, because 132 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: moisture from the air can can get into the candy 133 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: and prevent it from doing that firming up. If you're 134 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: going to make your own, it's traditionally done by either 135 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,679 Speaker 1: having two people help each other, uh pull and fold 136 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: and pull um, or by installing a hook in the 137 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: wall about head height and like draping a log of 138 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: taffy over it and pulling it and then and then 139 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: looping that back over the hook and pulling again. I'm 140 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: doing this complicated hand gester around the microphone and it's 141 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: helping Annie, but probably not you guys. Yes, I can't 142 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: believe that like having a hook. Some people have a 143 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: hook and some people have a taffy hook. Why not? 144 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: Why not? You're right in UM in shops, though the 145 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: process is somewhat streamlined through the use of a few 146 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: UM relatively simple machines. UM. You will still start with 147 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: cooking the sugars, but you might move it and and 148 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: also help remove a little bit of the moisture by 149 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: using pressurized tubes to suck the taffy from the cooking 150 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: cauldrons into vats for the next step UM, which is 151 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: usually resting for a few minutes up to a few hours, 152 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: and then you get to your pulling. Pulling machines can 153 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: work a few ways, but the basic design is UM 154 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: is three arms that rotate around each other and okay, 155 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: uh for for for For even simpler version, if you 156 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: if you hold up, if you hold up your arms 157 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: out in front of you, bent at the elbows like 158 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: you're about to cross them over your chest, but then 159 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: you don't cross them over your chest. No no. Um. 160 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 1: Instead you start rotating them around each other, so that um, 161 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: so that you're making each hand like orbit the opposite forearm. 162 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: This is called the mashed potato. It's totally the match. 163 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out what it was. I 164 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: was like searching congo lines and all kinds of things. Anyway, 165 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: it's tots the mashed potato, you guys. Um So yeah, 166 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: so that's what the machine does, um, except there's three 167 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 1: arms instead of two, and they're wrapping the taffy around 168 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: each other in like a like a figure eight. Um. 169 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: So it's being folded and stretched over and over again, 170 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: sort of like a like a braid. If instead of uh, 171 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: you know, instead of moving moving down or up as 172 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: you braid, you just stayed in the same place. And 173 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: it's made a little a stretchy pile. All right. Uh. Finally, 174 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: after all of that, uh, the taffy is fed through 175 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: batch rollers which create these twisty ropes, and then go 176 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: through cutting and wrapping machines. And I will say a 177 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: lot of shops that sell taffy are like multi generational 178 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: family businesses and still use the machines. A prior proprietors 179 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 1: bought like as far back as the early nine hundreds. Um, 180 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: the standard for arm machine goes back along quite a 181 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: long time. We'll hit that in the history section. But yeah, um, 182 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: wrapping machines also might come from well over a century ago. 183 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: And uh that doesn't mean, however, that science has forgotten 184 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: about the taffy machine. In a researcher published a paper 185 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: called A Mathematical History of Taffy Pullers. A mathematical history, yes, yes, uh, 186 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: physics professor went seriously down a rabbit hole and investigated 187 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: some two hundred taffy pulling machine patents from the U 188 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: S alone. He mapped the patterns that the arms make 189 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: and came up with this prototype six rod puller, but 190 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: he says, is more mathematically perfect. It's like it's like 191 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: a four rod puller, but with two added static arms 192 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: which helped catch and stretch the taffy. I love that 193 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: so much, right, Oh, it's delightful. Um nutrition wise, Uh, 194 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's candy. It's mostly sugar. A little bit 195 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: fat in there. Yep, yeah not maybe maybe not a 196 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: health food probably not probably not. UM. Numbers wise, as 197 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: we've been alluding to, there are all kinds of flavors 198 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: overt at least at least like candaloupe, alpino, gooseberry, chocolate 199 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: coated coconut fills, and oh yeah, like you can flavor 200 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: the taffy itself with pretty much anything since the advent 201 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: of flavoring additives. Um, maple, bacon, chicken and waffles. Uh 202 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: the A popular candy shop in Ocean City, New Jersey, 203 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: Shriver's Cells indy flavors by itself. Wow. Apparently a lobster 204 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: festival around Portland, Maine asked local makers Haven's Candies for 205 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: a lobster flavor once, but it didn't didn't even make 206 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: it to the taste test. I think that would have 207 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: been hard to pull off, certainly. I mean, lobster has 208 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: a little twinge of sweetness to it and a little 209 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: twinge of like salt brine. Well, Lauren, we could make 210 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: this happen. You're looking for a partner and time, I'm 211 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: I'm available. I'm not very good And if y'all are 212 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: flavor scientists working on a lobster candy, get in touch. 213 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: Let me know please, product already exists. Oh my goodness, 214 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: I need, I need to be aware of this immediately, 215 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: so does producer Andrew. Yes, oh gosh, he would. I 216 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: think he would retire. Maybe we shouldn't tell you. Yeah, 217 00:12:55,080 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: maybe not. Maybe that's too much, too perfect. Our plan 218 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: is foiled. Um. Yes. And then then once you once 219 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: you've flavored, once you've flavored your your taffy itself, you 220 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: can fill it with anything that's shelf stable and soft 221 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: room temperature. Another popular filling is peanut butter. I believe 222 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: it on board. National Taffy Day is May, and shops 223 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: that make it and sell it make and sell a lot. 224 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: For example, one shop called It's spelled d O l 225 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: l E apostrophe s it's an ocean city, Maryland. I 226 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: don't know how to say it, guys, I'm not from there. 227 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: It's either dollies or dolls or dolls, or it could 228 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: be in something completely random. It could be we don't know, 229 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: we do not, but whatever they are, Yes, they they 230 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: go through up to fifteen hundred pounds per day during 231 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: the summer rush. I've read about other shops, like the 232 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: aforementioned Shrivers going through up to like two thousand um. 233 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, the this one in Maryland says that they 234 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: go through like a two hundred thousand pounds of corn 235 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: syrup plus twenty thou pounds of granulated sugar per year 236 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: in order to keep stock. It's a lot. That's a lot. 237 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: It's not a little bit. No, no, no, no, uh 238 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: and yeah, one more, one more number combined two of 239 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: the popular brands out of Atlantic City, both of which 240 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: are owned by the same family. Now um James and 241 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: Frolinger's sell six hundred thousand pounds of taffy per year. 242 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: It's a number. I'm having difficulty comprehending. I don't know 243 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: how much that is. No, looking at this little taffy 244 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: on the table, Yeah, this is like, oh, I don't know. 245 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: It's very light. It's quite light. I don't really know 246 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: what weights are, which isn't helping the situation. That's a lot. 247 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: That's that's quite a bit. Yes, yes, yes, well it's 248 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,239 Speaker 1: a it's a fascinating history too that has like cameos 249 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: by myst serious people with code names. I don't know 250 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: where it comes from. Yeah, yeah, there's a there's a 251 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: former US president in there. Yes, yes, that's what brought 252 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: us to all these pounds and pounds of taffy. It did, 253 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: But first it's bringing us to a quick break for 254 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, 255 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: thank you. Salt water taffy it's place of origin Atlantic City, 256 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: New Jersey, first produced some time towards the end of 257 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century. And how it got to there was okay. 258 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: Um candies made from sugar syrups came up as sugar 259 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: cane and sugar refining spread about a thousand years ago. Um. 260 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: The first soft chewy sugar candies probably came out of 261 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: the Middle East around around that Timish. In the early 262 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, types of taffy and we're taffee were popular 263 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: in parts of Britain, the United States, and Canada, which 264 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: were harder than today's taffy's um and usually flavored only 265 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: with butter and molasses. And then someone somewhere got the 266 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: idea too, maybe a lot of people simultaneously got the 267 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: idea to pull taffy to make it softer, and that 268 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: practice spread to the point that taffy pool parties were 269 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: a fashionable thing by the mid eighteen hundreds. Like you 270 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: get together with a bunch of your friends and you 271 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: pull some taffy. This was mostly a thing for kids. 272 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: Um but also for like flirtatious young adults. Oh my gosh, yeah, 273 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: because you get to like I mean, if you don't 274 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: have the hook in the wall, then you get to 275 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, oh yeah. But Chops Shops sold it to 276 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: It wasn't just for flirting. I can't imagine being the 277 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: single adult. This is also something that happened to me recently, 278 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: but not to this degree. But being like the single 279 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: adult who doesn't have kids and a house full of 280 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: people who have kids, and they all disappear, and somehow 281 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: you're watching all of their kids and they want to 282 00:16:54,480 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: do this taffy pool thing. This is be disastrous. My 283 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: heart is beating fast at the thought of it. I 284 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: have some memories left over from this party. You you 285 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: went to a very bad place very quickly. Is this 286 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: just pageoning all these kids? Is this Tyler's fault? It 287 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: was Tyler, like you knew which one it was when 288 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: you showed up. I was like, thank god, And then 289 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: I got sucked into Yugio Yukio debate. Oh well, but 290 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: if you could participate in the debate then oh no, 291 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: I told the kids, I don't know the rules. Are 292 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: going to have to figure it out yourself. I feel 293 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: like by the end of that party, I was a 294 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: very grizzled parent and I don't care kids. Yugio to 295 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: go to the graveyard, and I don't know what that means, 296 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: throw up the table. Yeah, yeah, away anyway, back to Taffy. 297 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: I promise I will never leave you alone with a 298 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: house full of children. Thank you. It was another learning experience. 299 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: If I ever have a house full of children onto 300 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: myself like, that's a whole separate problem. But yes, yes, 301 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: I don't know where I would have gotten them. Well 302 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: that's the mystery. I didn't know where that happened either, 303 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: And I was calling down the hallway like, hello, your 304 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: kids are here. Silence. All of our friends were downstairs 305 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: going suckers. They absolutely were, And I can't blame them 306 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: for it, you know, you know I can't blame him. Um. 307 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: Back to saltword Taffy. Yes, So, Atlantic City, The afore 308 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: mentioned Atlantic City started coming up as a tourist spot 309 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: in the last couple of decades of the eighteen hundreds. 310 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: Like a promenade was built along the beach in the 311 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: eighteen seventies for for wealthy vacationers to stroll into shop. 312 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: When it comes to that name saltwater taffy. There are 313 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: several several stories out there, but the most popular by 314 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: far rendition is the candy shop owner David Bradley's. According 315 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: to him, his entire supply of taffy was soaked in 316 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: saltwater from the Atlantic Ocean thanks to a flood in 317 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: three and when he reopened, a young girl came in 318 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: looking for some taffy and joked sarcastically, from what I 319 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: read like you looked around and it was like, hmmmm, 320 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: all I have is salt water taffy. Um. And she 321 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: was like, okay, sure, and she bought some, took it 322 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: out and shared it with her friends, and then everybody 323 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: loved it. Um. And Bradley's mom, who had witnessed the 324 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: whole exchange, told her son that she adored the name 325 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: saltwater taffy, and there you go, reminds people of the 326 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: sea exactly exactly. During a trademark dispute, Bradley's sister backed 327 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: up this story. Nowadays, a lot of folks do claim 328 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: it just means made by the sea, since no actual 329 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: saltwater is involved, although as she said, salt and water 330 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: frequently are At the time taffy was cooked over open 331 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: coal fires in copper kettles, and once ready, it was 332 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: cooled on a marble slab and pulled with a hook. 333 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: And this taffy pool was a sight to see in 334 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: Atlantic City, often on Saturday nights. It was usually pulled 335 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: to about five ft or one point five meters and 336 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: when it was heavy enough to fall and then pull 337 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: and loop back over the hook, a season puller would 338 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: listen for the quote the swish, then smack our slap 339 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: of the taffy joining together. After the taffy was good 340 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: and narrated, it was rolled out and shaped by hand 341 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: and then cut with scissors into two inch length about 342 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: five cents. Lastly, it was wrapped in pre cut wax paper, 343 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: which was then twisted at the ends. The whole process 344 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: was often visible for people enjoying the boardwalk. It was 345 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 1: kind of again, it was like, oh, look at that, 346 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: and you might go in when you see it. Like 347 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: I had never had taffy, but I've seen this at 348 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: candy stores. I think in like Savannah hasm sure, yeah, yeah, absolutely, 349 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: um yeah. The the process, especially if you have used 350 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: food coloring in the taffy, it's it's very bright and 351 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: very dynamic looking. Yeah it looks cool. Um. At this time, 352 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: the typical size batch was ten pounds, which is about 353 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: four to ten and that works out by today's candy 354 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: size standards at any rate to about four hundred to 355 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: one thousand pieces. Two big players and Taffy Enoch James 356 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: and Joseph Frolinger both started making their version of the 357 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: candy in the eighteen eighties. James Taffy came with the 358 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: slogan cut to fit the mouth. Joseph Frolinger gets a 359 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: lot of credit for popularizing saltwater taffy, both the term 360 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: and the candy itself, selling it in boxes as a 361 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: souvenir from Atlantic City. He realized that the name was 362 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: great for a souvenir. He too, sided Bradley when it 363 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: came to that name, claiming that he heard Bradley's customers 364 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: calling it um ocean wave taffy or ocean foam taffy, 365 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: and of course saltwater taffy. The story goes that the 366 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: first weekend he sold the one pounder boxes. To his shock, 367 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: he ran out by Sunday afternoon and hit up a 368 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: local seafood restaurant for their oyster boxes. Oyster tie in. Yes, 369 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: I love an oyster tie in. And to go back 370 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: a bit, Frolinger had been trying out a bunch of 371 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: banks in Atlantic City to see what stuck, from cigars 372 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: to lemonade, and he that he advertised lemonade by men 373 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: juggling lemons outside. Yeah, I mean I'd be like, look 374 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: at that sho go check it out. Um. But then 375 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: someone invited him to take over a taffy shop. His 376 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: first flavors were molasses, chocolate and vanilla. But wait, wow, 377 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: because there is some injurgue intrigued taffy intrigue. Yes, there's 378 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: always intrigue, it seems, and we're always surprised by it. 379 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: According to a piece by Arthur H. Gage Or, the 380 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: third great grandson of Frolinger, Mr John R. Edmonston, who 381 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: apparently went by the professor, opened a card writing stand 382 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: at Victoria Skating Rink rented from well known Captain Young. 383 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: What's what's going on here? Edmonston enlicited the help of 384 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: John Cassidy, who added a taffy concerts and stand to 385 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: the latter writing space. The two did not see ida 386 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: eye on things, and the Professor fired Cassidy, but kept 387 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: the taffy Cassidy partnered with Bradley and one day went 388 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: on to have his own store. So one day Frollinger 389 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: overheard allowed argument and went to investigate. It's really great 390 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: this piece because it goes into debt like it was 391 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: twin Ty freach Away is very detailed. So this argument 392 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: was between the professor and Captain Young, fighting over the rent. 393 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: The professor was about to throw a two pound scale 394 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: at the Captain's head when Frolinger intervened. Once the fight 395 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: was dispersed, Young approached Frolinger, fuming at the thought of 396 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: having the professor as a tenant, and requested that Frohlinger 397 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: step in and take over the lease and the tabby stand. 398 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: Frolinger agreed. He did have competitors, though, a big one 399 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: being u S the aforementioned ENaC James. James figured out 400 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: how to make taffy less sticky and therefore easier to unwrap, 401 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: which is great for the bite sized pieces he sold. 402 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: He also mechanized the pool process. Uh yeah. The standard 403 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 1: for rod taffy pillars that you're most likely to see 404 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: in shops to to this day came about in the 405 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: late eighteen and or early nine hundreds right around this time. 406 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: And you can still find both of these stores in 407 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: Atlantic City. You know, james Is is advertised as the 408 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: original saltwater taffy and both are currently owned and operated 409 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: by by that that one same family, the Glass Ears 410 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: and Fraling Jerseys on the boardwalk Empire set. I guess yes, 411 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: because meanwhile Atlantic City was growing. Um, the famous boardwalk 412 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: went up in It's a it's a nearly five mile 413 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: stretch that's about eight kilometers or so. That grew into 414 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: the its spot of the Northeast, especially for the working class. 415 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: Like is New York City too expensive? But still have 416 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: some leisure time and spending money? What are those new things? 417 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: Uh so, yeah, don't vacation in New York vacation on 418 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: the boardwalk, or hey, can't book your act in New 419 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: York City. The nightclubs and casinos on the Boardwalk are 420 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: hungry for crowd pleasers. Um, it was like Vegas and 421 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: Disney at the same time. I'm a pre shopping mall. 422 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: American consumerism. Dream Monopoly is based on Atlantic City landmarks. 423 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: Um Fraulinger's is at Tennessee Avenue and James's Candy is 424 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: at New York Avenue. Really, I'll have to check that out. 425 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: Get over my hesitation over monopoly. Oh no, that the 426 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: point of monopoly is that consumerism and capitalism are terrible, 427 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: that they don't work, and that you shouldn't do them. 428 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: Oh that's great because it's very effective. Nobody wants to play. No, 429 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: it's the worst. I've cheated and lost. I can't figure 430 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: it out. That's yeah, that says something. I don't know what. 431 00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: It's all bad. Um. Meanwhile, um and elsewhere aside, other 432 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: resorts around the United States, like Salt Air in Salt 433 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: Lake City, Utah, had started selling saltwater taffy. Who what 434 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: a tongue twister by about the eighteen nineties or so. 435 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: And uh, the original three arm taffy polar patent if 436 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: you're curious about that, it is the most mathematically simple 437 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: not perfect at all, not perfect, but mathematically simple. It 438 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: was registered in eighteen and it was called the Knitz 439 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: Taffy Polar. I just I don't know. I wanted to 440 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: say that I appreciate it. You know, I love a 441 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: good legal drama, and there actually is legal drama coming up. Yeah, 442 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: all about this, but anyway, Okay, the was peak saltwater taffy. 443 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: Atlantic City had an estimated four and fifty plus joints 444 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: slinging this stuff, and one of the purveyors saw an 445 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: opportunity to cash in even more on this. He applied 446 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: for a trademark on the name salt water taffy, which 447 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: he was awarded in our and he wasted no time 448 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: and informing all of his I guess we're hundred and 449 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: fifteen competitors that if they wanted to keep using that name, 450 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: they better pay up. Guess who it was. It was 451 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: the professor making trouble again. Apparently he had been in 452 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: the in the meanwhile, going door to door selling taffy. 453 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: He was just waiting for you shot, he was, yeah, 454 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: that's right. Uh. By the way, that the reason that 455 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: they were over two hundred taffy pulling patent in the 456 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: United States is that, yeah, it was. It was a 457 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: really popular thing. It was such a popular thing and 458 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: so many people are trying to cash in on it 459 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: that they were like, if I can change this just 460 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: very slightly, that I can make money. But if it 461 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: was all the professor, to be fair, it didn't check 462 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: how many could be a bunch of pseudonyms. I don't know. Well, 463 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: as you can imagine this whole patent trained park of 464 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: the name thing. It did not go overwhelm oh sure, no. 465 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: The Enoch James business went to a board of the U. S. 466 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: Patent Office to contest it. They also called what is 467 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: now the Board of Patent Appeals and Interferences. The trademark 468 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: was struck down saltwater taffy is born of the ocean 469 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: and summer resorts and other ingredients that are the common 470 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: property of all men everywhere, it said. Yep, And this 471 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: wasn't the first time taffy had to run in with 472 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: the law. In a dispute over improvements in taffy pulling 473 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: machinery went to the Supreme Court. What yes, Hill Dress 474 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:43,239 Speaker 1: versus Mastorus? Justice William Howard taft yep that taft uh 475 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: huh wrote, not all candy is pulled, but much of 476 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: it is. Until the beginning of this century, candy was 477 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: pulled only by hand. Since nineteen hundred, the art has 478 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: advanced from a production of three hundred pounds a day 479 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: to ten thousand a day with the same labor. He 480 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: also talked about value in these machines, being that they're 481 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: more like cleanly than than humans getting our dirty, dirty 482 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: claws all over the taffy while we're pulling it. That's true. 483 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: You never know where an episode will go. I gotta 484 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: say in at Philadelphia's Sesquee Centennial International Exposition, that rolls 485 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: all right off the tongue. Yes, we looked it up. 486 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: It means a hundred and fifty that year. But why 487 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: did they have centennial? I don't know. Mysteries. Yes, Frolinger's 488 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: saltwater taffy was awarded a Gold Medal for quality during 489 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: World War one and two. Frolingers sent US troops a 490 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: steady supply of taffy. I believe James arc did as well. 491 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: During World War Two he worked. Frolinger worked around the 492 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: sugar ashting by replacing it with molasses, the original sweetener 493 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: used for his first recipe in seven. The glass Or 494 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: family finally bought James's in the nineteen sixties. Are around there. 495 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: Frolinger introduced the piggy bank taffy. Piggy bank taffy, which 496 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: is I guess exactly what it sounds like. It was 497 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: one pound of saltwater taffy in a piggy bank, available 498 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: in various colors, with the pig at these wobbly eyes, 499 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: and the taffy came out of the mouth. Oh, that 500 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: sounds real creepy. It was. Oh, I was delighted. But 501 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: in nine seventy eight, Frank Sinatra placed the largest mail 502 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: order for taffy in history, five hundred boxes of James 503 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: taffy for his friends. After his first performance, Sinatra came 504 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: up in Atlantic City playing some of those nightclubs there 505 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: after World War two. UH in the nineteen nineties, the 506 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: glass Or family UH bought Frolingers. The different ingredients and 507 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: processes for both are kept separate, although they are made 508 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: in the same place. In three for Frolingers, one hundred 509 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: year of being around. Arthur gag Of the Third, who 510 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: wrote that paper I mentioned earlier, wanted to celebrate the 511 00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: occasion with the world's longest taffy pull. Unfortunate, the weather 512 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: did not cooperate, and he plus humility, turned to the 513 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: taffy into Google. Oh no, yeah, can you imagine just 514 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: all this Google using around like I'm Ghostbusters too? I 515 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: imagine it wasn't quite like that. One can dream and 516 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: one can dream. I definitely I might have mentioned it before. 517 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: I definitely had an unsuccessful batch of marshmallows once where 518 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this isn't this isn't marshmallow, this 519 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: is just this is just Google. It's quite it's a letdown. 520 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: It is it is. It's you know, I'm sorry it 521 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: didn't work out. I hope that with them with climate control, 522 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: he can figure it out sometime in the future. Yes, 523 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: very important sounding. It is the world's longest taffy poole. 524 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: Maybe one of you listeners can figure that out. Yeah, 525 00:31:54,840 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: invite us do it, absolutely, don't you. We're counting on you. 526 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: We are, we are um and uh, we have just 527 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: a little bit more for you all. But first we've 528 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: got one more quick break for a which more sponsor 529 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you, sponsored, thank you, and we're 530 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: back with it's a pool obviously. Clearly, I don't feel 531 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: like I even need to explain that when there's a 532 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: whole like we just did a whole physical thing too. 533 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: She did. Yeah, it was a hug war between you 534 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: and the wall. It was very, very involved. I try 535 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: to try to bring my all. Amy wrote, I grew 536 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: up in Bangkok and food court is the big deal 537 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: at malls. Since most people live in small apartments, and 538 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: not every house has air conditioning. Folks would spend their 539 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: time at the mall windows, shopping and eating. After school, 540 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: Me and my friends would go to the mall to 541 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: hang out and mainly grab a bite. They would have 542 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: many restaurants from Korean Barbecue, Hot Pot, Pizza Hut, KFC, McDonald's, 543 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: and just general food court. The food at the food 544 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: court would be traditional Thai food. There's at least twenty 545 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: different stalls selling a variety of food from noodle soups 546 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: to papaya salad. Food court is very popular among Thai 547 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: people because it's affordable and it's much safer than street food. 548 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: In order to get food at the food court, you 549 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: just have to add money to a cash card. There's 550 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: a booth that you can go to, then you approach 551 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: the stalls that interest you. This system makes it easier 552 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: as we tend to go to more than just one item. 553 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: You might get chicken and rice says you're entre, and 554 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: so did a drink, then some fried chicken and maybe 555 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: fresh fruit for dessert, and everything you need is right 556 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: there in the food hall. Some of the newer malls 557 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: would have stalls from famous restaurants around Bangkok. And a 558 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: much wider variety of dishes. It's truly next level and 559 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: it's worth checking out. Oh that sounds great. That sounds 560 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: so good. I mean a good food court like that 561 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: that has like, you know, your go twos, but then 562 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: like kinds of stalls, like like like local cooks and 563 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: chefs and people preparing food that is fresh and tasty. Yeah, 564 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: that's loves a fun, Yes, Aaron wrote. Let me pray 565 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: face the story with the fact that I have a 566 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: very fair complexion, so pale that I make most other 567 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: pale people look tanned by comparison. As a child, I 568 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: was what you might call a very selective eater. Not 569 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: a single vegetable ever crossed my lips, and only a 570 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: very few fruits. When V eight Splash, a fruit flavored 571 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: juice drink, hit the market in the early nineties, boasting 572 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: a full serving of fruits and vegetables in every glass, 573 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 1: my desperate mother was delighted to find that I actually 574 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: liked it. She happ he allowed me to drink as 575 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,439 Speaker 1: much as I wanted. I went a little overboard, though, 576 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: and soon I was consuming an entire half gallon battle 577 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: every single day for months. One day I randomly noticed 578 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: that the soles of my feet looked yellow. I showed 579 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: my mom, who checked me over and concluded that my 580 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: palms also looked yellow. This kept getting worse and worse, 581 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: spreading even to my face, but we hadn't made the connection. 582 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: So my concerned mother took me to the doctor, worried 583 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: that I had jaundice. They ran all kinds of liver 584 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: function tests, but they all came out negative. The doctors 585 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: were stumped. We were stumped. I was just turning a lovely, 586 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: sickening yellow for no apparent reason. It wasn't until several 587 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: weeks later that my mom was casually looking at the 588 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: ingredient list on the juice bottle that the light bulb 589 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: turned on. The juice I had been guzzling NonStop was 590 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: comprised primarily of carrot juice. The beta carroteen overlood was 591 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 1: making my normally ghostly skin turned yellow. My mom instantly 592 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: cut me off. After a few weeks, the yellow began 593 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: to fade away and I was back to my standard 594 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,800 Speaker 1: casper white self. Even though the eight still sells splash 595 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: under the rebrand of V eight Fusion, I haven't been 596 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 1: able to bring myself to drink it in over twenty years. 597 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: That's fair. Wow, I can't blame you. Yeah, no, there's 598 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: that that is indeed, I'll smidge overboard. It is if 599 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: you're turning yellow from all the Jewish you're drinking. Probably probably. 600 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: And I was a kid, I used to say, this 601 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,959 Speaker 1: reminds me of this. I used to say I did 602 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: not want to get tan because I thought my skin 603 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: made me look like a sickly banana. And that was 604 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: my parents would always make fun of me because I 605 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 1: I don't know where sickly banana came from. Well, but 606 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: but you thought that was a good thing I did 607 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: not want. Oh you thought when you were tan, you 608 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: looked like a sickly banana. Oh yeah, it's a very 609 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: specific thought. And I don't know. I'm sure you didn't. 610 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: Who knows, who knows what what I was going on? 611 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: Although this wasn't at the time that you were eating 612 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: all those carrots, was it. No? But if this is 613 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: the same thing, what's happening to me? I don't know, Man, 614 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: mystery's history. I've got a lot of things to think about. 615 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: Many lessons were learned to the stay. I know. I 616 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: feel like I have I have really changed. You've been 617 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: on a journey. It was a hero's journey of beta 618 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: carotene and taffy and cinnamon and cinnamon fires. And well, 619 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: you live and you learn. At least we lived, as 620 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: Seinfeld says, and I appreciate this opportunity to continue learning. 621 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: And we love hearing from listeners who help us learn 622 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: these things. So we would love to hear from you. 623 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: Thanks to both of them for writing in. If you 624 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: would like to write to us, you can our email 625 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 1: as hello at saber pod dot com. We are also 626 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: on social media. You can find us on Instagram, Facebook, 627 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: and Twitter at savor Pod. We do hope to hear 628 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: from you. 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