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Speaker 3: If you want to know more about fan fiction, just

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Speaker 4: Just follow Rose on Twitter. Ashley Reese is an amazing writer,

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Speaker 3: trying to figure it out. Never And you should become

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Speaker 3: So last night I was at a screening of the

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Speaker 3: exactly like what literally like, is there a vibe I'm

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Speaker 4: You're never looking You're always just like there's a vibe,

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Speaker 3: Know, yes, can you tell us your fan fiction origin story?

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Speaker 1: and then you do me like this and he's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, like I don't mean and it's.

441
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Speaker 6: Like, babe, you're about to be a fascist.

442
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: I don't really give a fuck, So like I really

443
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: do think that, like just the drama of that and

444
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: like ya da da yeah, Like he ends up actually

445
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 1: kind of being the reason why she gets murdered in

446
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 1: the first place because of the whole problem cla like

447
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: literally just like very and I think that as I

448
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: got older, when you kind of see the signs of

449
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: like I just think it's interesting to think about like

450
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 1: radicalization in that way, and like what it must be

451
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: like to be a marginalized person trying to in like

452
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 1: a teenager trying to save your friend from what you

453
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: clearly see is him going down that path.

454
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 4: I'm literally enraptured, Like that is like a version of

455
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 4: that story that I've actually never thought of, like perspectively,

456
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 4: because honestly, Lily and James were really boring characters.

457
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: I mean, so then basically she's but then she's apparently

458
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: a huge bish of people. She's like you are, like, oh,

459
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 1: but the shitn't ended up like being with like snapes bully.

460
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm sorry, but like I don't know,

461
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: I can believe that people can grow. But also I'm sorry,

462
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: Lisa wasn't a fucking fascist like privileged, so James.

463
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 6: Was like rich posh kid, wow, pure blood.

464
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 3: Ever existed in Like no, thank god. This is all

465
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: based on like maybe like two paragraphs of text throughout.

466
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Speaker 1: The like it's literally, Like this is like the like

467
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 1: the deep like contextual like literally though, like I mean

468
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: he's described as like because we see all through Harry's eyes,

469
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: and Harry grew up like in a really fucked up

470
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: situation with you know, he grew up with Lily's sister

471
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: being like pretty just neglectful towards him. But I remember

472
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 1: him just seeing his dad as A told him describing

473
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 1: he was, like I think he described him being like

474
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 1: very well cared for in a way that Snape clearly wasn't,

475
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 1: so like you have this like rich kid, but I

476
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: mean James was an asshole, but he also you know,

477
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: made sure that like his like werewolf friend was like

478
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: taken care of and like protected and things like that,

479
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: so like while Snape was trying to out him.

480
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 6: So that's a whole other thing. I don't know.

481
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 3: And apparently, according to today's shippers, he was in love

482
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 3: with his best friend little brother. O.

483
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 6: God, don't even get into the jugular.

484
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what's that? So I did? I actually

485
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 3: did explain this to you a couple episodes ago when

486
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 3: we did an episode on Hunger Games. Because like, the

487
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 3: most popular Harry Potter story right now is a Hunger

488
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 3: games a Jagulous Hunger Games AU. Do you know about

489
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 3: chriss regularly, I've heard of it, It's I don't remember,

490
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 3: don't ever try. I was a bored one weekend and

491
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 3: read like thirty chapters of it and I'll never get

492
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: that time back. But Jgulous is Harry Potter's dad and

493
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 3: Serious Black's younger brother, who was a death eater, who

494
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 3: literally is never like.

495
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: Lines except for like being like Baltimore in like a

496
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: letter like Baltimore.

497
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 4: I know you're like secret, I.

498
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: Stole the horse cracks like and like first and I

499
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: just can I just say two things on regulation really

500
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: quickly is like as a sentence about really quickly. First

501
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: of all, I mean like I look, I I clearly

502
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: I was like snape girly, I'm and I'm not like,

503
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: oh this character is bad or this, so you can't

504
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: be interested in them, Like I don't agree with that

505
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: at all. I don't believe in like giving like I

506
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: don't know just doing like morality politics with like fictional

507
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: characters like that, and like you can find bad even

508
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: like fictional fascist interesting and like want to play around

509
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: with them in a fan fic.

510
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 3: I mean there is so much Harry Voldemort fans.

511
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: That's a whole other Yeah, but my whole thing is

512
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, I do, but I do, But I

513
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: do think that if you're going to play around with that,

514
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: you have to kind of meet the character where they

515
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: where they're at, so and if you're not, you're just

516
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: doing something that's oc like out of character.

517
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 6: So from what we know about.

518
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: Regulars, he's serious as younger brother, obviously rich, privileged whatever

519
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: crazy family had like a Voldemore like death either mood

520
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: board in his bedroom, was on the quidditch team, joined

521
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: the Death Eaters again, like became a fucking fascist, died

522
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: trying to I guess because you found out that like

523
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: voldem was trying to be immortal and wasn't I don't know,

524
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: just doing some like cute fashion stuff. But also the

525
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: only reason you even did that shit in the first

526
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: place was because Baltimore, like what kidnapped his like his

527
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: self is like so basically his like house slave. It

528
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: was like literally like he's like, I you know, he's like,

529
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: I accept fashion, but I draw the line at you

530
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: stealing my house slave. So I'm just like, if we're

531
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: going to put these characters. At least, let's meet them

532
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: where they're at. So I'm like, and if you're not,

533
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: then this is just just make them.

534
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 6: Oh see, it's just.

535
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 3: So un fun, you know what I mean.

536
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 4: It's like like sometimes you know, like you have to

537
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 4: like give into the narrative.

538
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 3: That's like the point of narrative is that.

539
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 4: Characters have to be like evil, right, and evil begets

540
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:36,479
Speaker 4: like narrative.

541
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and when people listen. I have read some fan

542
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 3: fiction that I don't usually love like a canon compliant moment,

543
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 3: because like it's very the endings are very sad. I

544
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: did read fiction in which you know the yes, it

545
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 3: follows the story, so like you might be reading something

546
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 3: that is Marauder's era, but like you're reading it knowing

547
00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 3: that they're all going to die.

548
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lily and James have their Harry, which is you

549
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: know who I think is an oops baby, and then

550
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: they are like we're in this underground group trying to

551
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: fight the bad people.

552
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 6: Then they fucking get killed.

553
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 3: So it's like, baby, I've read some really compelling can

554
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 3: Like I've read all the Young Dudes, you know, and

555
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 3: people like that. I think there's some fan fiction out

556
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 3: there that is truly better than a lot of published

557
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 3: books that I've read. Yes, And they can look at

558
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 3: these characters who are very flawed and like really make

559
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 3: you sympathize with them and empathize with them even though

560
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: you know they're like bad people. They make bad choices,

561
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: and I think that's the mark of a good writer.

562
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: And then sometimes people just like want to have their

563
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: cake and eat them too and want to ignore that

564
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: they are like writing smut or like fluff about fascists

565
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 3: and like not deal with any of the implications of that.

566
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: Right, And I think that, you know, I'm not going

567
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: to get two in the weeds with this, But I

568
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: got into like some beef online with people who were

569
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: like Regulus Blacks like baby girl, Like.

570
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: I'm just like or like this happened because of TikTok

571
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: the way.

572
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean.

573
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 3: Look and like like the tiktokification of fan fiction. I

574
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: love being on the outside.

575
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: It's a lot and I think that and that's definitely

576
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: why these some of these pairings have just like grown

577
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: and like, actually, it's funny because after I got into

578
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: like I don't know, drama with a bunch of like

579
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: jegulous or jagulous adjacent like Marauder era Twitter people who

580
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: again have like random like death theaters and they're like

581
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: who are like only mentioned by name and are just

582
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: like he's my baby girl. It's like all we know

583
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: is that he was a death theater. How's your baby

584
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: unless you're completely transforming their character.

585
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 6: To be something there and they're not, but like.

586
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: Girl, literally, like someone is like Evan Rosier is my baby, girl,

587
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: Like we only know that he was a death theater

588
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: and got killed. Like how like they're just trying to

589
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: but it's because they it's because someone came up with

590
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: a fan cast on TikTok and made an aesthetic video

591
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: of like and they're like the matter like with like

592
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: we a weird filter on it, and then people were like, oh,

593
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: he's a baby girl. Yeah, girl, And it's kind of like,

594
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because people reached out to me

595
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: after like kind of recently, after that whole drama, and

596
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: they were like, oh my god. By the way, I

597
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: think that we're partially responsible for jagulas becoming popular on TikTok,

598
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: but we were actually just shit posting them. People thought

599
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: we were taking it seriously and I'm just like yeah,

600
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, we have a lot of regrets,

601
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: but it's it's really fasting to see how Again, I'm

602
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: someone who got really into fan fiction in the mid

603
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: two thousands, it's fascinating to see the ways in which

604
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: approaches of fan fiction have changed.

605
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 3: I saw you talking about something recently that I wanted

606
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: to get into, which is like the like commodification of

607
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: fan fiction, like on these online spaces, and like the

608
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: way in which fan fiction is like free labor that

609
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 3: people do, like for the joy of creating art and

610
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 3: sharing it with their community, and now it has been

611
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 3: sort of like there, it has become a commodity and

612
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 3: people are like marketing it on TikTok and like it's

613
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: really crazy to me as someone who has read not

614
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 3: like fan fiction is longer than Anna Karenina that people

615
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 3: wrote with like the alias like June Bugs six Jo

616
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 3: and we'll never will never like take credit for it

617
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: or make any money off of it. And now I'm

618
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 3: seeing people who are like like pouring their fan fiction

619
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 3: out for you know, likes and kudos and comments and stuff,

620
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: and like holding stories hostage for comments, and it just

621
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: feels so weird to me.

622
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 6: It's very icky.

623
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: I've noticed that because like I'm I'm very I'm not

624
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: really on TikTok a lot, but I I'm sent so

625
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: many different videos and stuff like that, or you know,

626
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 1: it's okay here, here's what I'll say. Promoting your fan

627
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: fiction stuff is not like a new thing. People did

628
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: it on live journal, people did on forums, poll did

629
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: those kind of things. But I think that when you

630
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: bring in the way that TikTok like just exists as

631
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: like to like you know, to bring in ad dollars

632
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: and stuff like that for people to potentially get enough

633
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: followers and get enough whatever to like make money off

634
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: their videos, I think that's when it gets into like

635
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: kind of territory. And I do think that, like I've

636
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: read somewhere that people were talking about put like publishing

637
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: their stats, like the stats of their fanfic.

638
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 5: And I'm like, it was never like it.

639
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 6: I did never remember it being like.

640
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: That, or like being like, oh, this has this many kudos,

641
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: this has this many like you know page I I'm

642
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: just like, that's not what it's about.

643
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 3: Publishing it in a video with their real face it right, Oh.

644
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 4: That's a whole other thing.

645
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 6: I'm just like, with your government name attached.

646
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 4: He's like, Okay, so I don't know a lot I

647
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 4: want I want to like, I don't know a ton

648
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 4: about just like the democracy slash diplomacy of like kudos

649
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 4: and all this different stuff. Is it Is it a

650
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 4: meritocracy or are like do people kind of rally and

651
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 4: campaign to get certain attention?

652
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: I think you used to be the first. Yeah, it

653
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 3: used to be the former, and now it has become

654
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: the latter because there's this phenomenon now of fan fiction recommendations,

655
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: which you know, back in the day, you found fan

656
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: fiction by searching for the pairing you liked, and then

657
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 3: in the AO three days, you know, you would then

658
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: go and filter by what stories had the most kudos

659
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: or the most comments or whatever and find essentially like

660
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 3: the most popular or most read stories in whatever fandom

661
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: and pairing you were looking for. And now there has

662
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: become this whole system of people recommending fan fictions again

663
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 3: with their government name and government phase and tiktoks and

664
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: like almost like a cult of personality around certain writers

665
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: and people who are like, I'll read anything this person rights,

666
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 3: and you know, I it's like I get it, because

667
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 3: now I think fan fiction has been really destigmatized over

668
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 3: the past decade, and that's not a bad thing. I

669
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 3: think it's a good thing. But it's still feels weird

670
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: to me as someone who grew up with this being

671
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: an activity that you did in secret.

672
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like it's kind of I kind of am

673
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: of two minds about it too, Like I I'm not

674
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: embarrassed by the fact that, like, when it comes down

675
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: to I'm not embarrassed by the fact that fan fiction

676
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: is like it's just like a hobby, like any other hobby,

677
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: but I do I was kind of Raisin's air where

678
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: it was kind of this hobby that you talk about

679
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: with like some random internet friend from like Tennessee that

680
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: you like met on like I don't know, Tumbler, I

681
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: don't know. It's just like the tiktokification, the algorithmification of

682
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: everything and fandom is like kind of strange to me.

683
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: And I also think that you get to a situation

684
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: in which you know there are always big name fans.

685
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: We call it B and f's. Back in the day,

686
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: big name fans are alsose people who are very popular.

687
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: Like Cassandra Clair, who we mentioned earlier, who is so

688
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 3: Cassandra Claire was a prolific Harry Potter fan fiction writer

689
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 3: who like in a sort of proto E. L. James

690
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 3: Fifty Shades of Gray Move five, held off the serial

691
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 3: numbers as the parlance is, and turned her Draco fan

692
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 3: fiction into this book series, The Mortal Instruments, right, Instruments? Yeah,

693
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: And isn't that also a TV show? It got turned

694
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 3: into a TV show and a movie and it is

695
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 3: based on not even Draco, hermione fan fiction literally just

696
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 3: Draco fan fiction or wait was it Draco Jinny?

697
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: There was like some there was some pairing and it

698
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: I yeah, there's some incessionist things going on. Also, she

699
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: was under a lot of controversy because of like plagiarism

700
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: claims and stuff like that. So that's what the thing,

701
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: like the old heads are like, remember when this plagiarist

702
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: got like a book deal based on the fan fiction

703
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: that she did a lot of plagiarism, Like that's kind

704
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: of like the main thing.

705
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 4: How do you identify plagiarism in something that's like adapt

706
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 4: Is it like like literal sentences?

707
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like I remember, if I remember correctly, I

708
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: remember people like being like this is from Buffy from

709
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: like this book or and like that's like literal of plagiarism.

710
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm down to give people the benefit of

711
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: the doubt of like especially in fan fiction where like

712
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: this isn't something you're profiting off of. I know that

713
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 3: certain things like and and listen, there is so much

714
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 3: there is a let there is a fan fiction language

715
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: that exists. People use the same phrases I talk I have.

716
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 3: I have talked about this a lot, Like there's some

717
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 3: things that I really need people to stop saying, Like

718
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: if I see one more fan fiction where they talk

719
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: about licking into each other's mouths, which is the way

720
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: that people describe kissing, and it's like licking each will

721
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 3: I will say ninety nine point seven percent of fanfic

722
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: I read has that exact phrase and.

723
00:36:43,040 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 4: Shutter relevant topic ship. Phoebe has conceded to us, and

724
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 4: the notes said she handed that she is also an

725
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 4: avid reader of like gay erotic fan fiction. Question and

726
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 4: I think she wants to know about either Well, okay,

727
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 4: she asked about crossovers. If you guys like crazy crazy

728
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 4: like IP crossovers, but also like I'm I'm just curious

729
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 4: about like gay erotic fanfic that sticks out to you

730
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 4: or you feel like you'd have something to say.

731
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 3: Okay, So I do think this is more my era

732
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 3: because I feel like you're more of a of a

733
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: hat chipper.

734
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I.

735
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 3: Know, I'm just like Okay. So with crossovers so a

736
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 3: big thing back in my day. So I started out

737
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: in fan fiction in Buffy fan fiction. That was my

738
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 3: first fandom. And Buffy was a really popular universe to

739
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 3: crossover with. And there used to be the site called

740
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 3: Twisting the hell Mouth and it was it was specifically

741
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 3: and this is again like when fan fiction was less

742
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: centralized and there were all these different platforms. This was

743
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 3: a website where people wrote Buffy crossover fan fiction with

744
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 3: all these other things. So I did a lot of that.

745
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 3: I would read like Buffy when she died got sent

746
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 3: to Narnia and like or like Buffy gets turned into

747
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: a vampire by Edward Cullen and like ship like that,

748
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 3: or like Willow. There's this one fan fiction that I

749
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 3: read where in season six and Buffy, after Willow tries

750
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: to destroy the world, she gets deaged and she and

751
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: Buffy go to Hogwarts for summer school. Wait what what? What?

752
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 6: Howse were they in?

753
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 3: They were both in gryffindor even though Willow it turns out,

754
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: is Tom Riddle's niece or something, and Willow is paired

755
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 3: with Harry and Buffy's paired with Draco, which was more

756
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: a teenage wething because I get like, like you, I

757
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 3: started off in the trenches and then I like made

758
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 3: the switch to slash pick and I read slash pic

759
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 3: almost exclusively, and slash pick is gay. Yeah, they just

760
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 3: call it slash yeah.

761
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 6: Slash And then like I remember, fem slash would be like.

762
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 4: Wait, what Just can you rattle off a few other

763
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 4: fanfic terms? You said, you know, fire off that.

764
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 3: Okay, numbers, file off the serial numbers.

765
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 4: Which is you've described in a previous episode.

766
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: But that filing off the serial numbers is when you

767
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: write a fan fiction and then you decide to publish

768
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 3: it as an original work, so you change all the

769
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: names to original names, like change all the characteristics that

770
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: would you know, pronounce it as from the fandom that

771
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 3: you're writing and so that it can seem like an

772
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: original work.

773
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: Okay, other terms, let me think, because like there's AO three,

774
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: which is archive of our own that I think was

775
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: created like in the early twenty tens. That's kind of

776
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: like a place where like we're not fanfiction dot net,

777
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: which is always I don't know, under threat of like collapsing.

778
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now they have ads, like there are ads

779
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 3: in the middle of the text of story on fan fiction.

780
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so there's that like pad. Oh what pad?

781
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: That's another another thing you need to blame for like

782
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: a lot of like the girl leides kind of all

783
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden being like I really care about stats

784
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: and stuff. It's like that you don't write fick for

785
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: the stats and like the popularity and getting more like followers.

786
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: You write it because you're a weird little freak who

787
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: has an idea in your head and need to get

788
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: it out. And you can share it with your other

789
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: little freaky friends and just move on, you know, and

790
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: have fun.

791
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 7: You know.

792
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: It has also become a thing that I heard I

793
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 3: saw recently in a TikTok is that people want to

794
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 3: People are really invested in their specific ship having the

795
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 3: most stories and a certain fandom, and will basically like

796
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 3: create shell fix on AO three to get the numbers up.

797
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 3: It's crazy, what so that their ship has the most fixed?

798
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 4: How had I wait?

799
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,479
Speaker 6: Wait, can I say something? About that really quickly.

800
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, maybe I'm like galaxy braining here.

801
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: You know, maybe this has just immediately made me think of,

802
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, stand communities or like stand Twitter or anything

803
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: like that.

804
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 4: How like all like the way that people pretty much

805
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 4: prove that.

806
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: The person they stand is the most it's like the

807
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: most worthy of praise reevers by looking at stats of

808
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: like their billboard, like billboard this billboard that, or like

809
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: they sold like they outsold this, and it's just like.

810
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 4: Who are they like out selling to whom?

811
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 3: Stuff?

812
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 6: It's like who cares about that? But that's kind of a.

813
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: It's like literally like the stantification of like using like

814
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 1: stats as like here's why this pairings, like looking.

815
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 3: At number at the numbers, and it's like growing up

816
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 3: when it doesn't when it doesn't matter, because like that's

817
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 3: the thing as as a community, as a people. The

818
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 3: whole reason about fan fiction is like not literally not

819
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: caring about the official word of the author of whatever,

820
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: Like we shouldn't be caring about you.

821
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: You're just doing it to have fun and on that

822
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: kind of on that, I've met a friend recently who

823
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: was like kind of cagey about like her like fantas stuff.

824
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: But you know what her main fandom is what The Terror?

825
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: You know that TV show The Terror, like it was

826
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: like the AMC show based on I think maybe based

827
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: on the book, I'm not sure, but it has like

828
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,479
Speaker 1: Richard Harris in it is that his name, Richard Harris.

829
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: He's the guy who played Lane in mad Men? Right, anyway,

830
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: this random obscure AMC or FX show with a teeny

831
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: tiny fandom, Like teeny tiny. She's like, yeah, I'm into

832
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: like The Terror. It's just like a few of us were, like,

833
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, in our late twenties and thirties, just like

834
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: running our fick and like that's the kind of spirit.

835
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 6: I like, yeah, about how many numbers there are?

836
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: You just like you and a few other people are like,

837
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: I'm writing about this random TV show about a boat

838
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: that's stuck, got stuck in the like Northern Atlantic. Yeah,

839
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: and like ghost shit started happening. That's what the show

840
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: is about. And I'm like I respect that more than

841
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: like the numbers.

842
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 3: Don't lie, Like, yeah, that's beautiful. Okay, So we do

843
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: have some other fan fiction terms here, So fannin is

844
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 3: a big one. So fannin is like essentially the canon

845
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 3: that has been created and decided on among a fandom

846
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: community that they essentially like prefer over the official lines.

847
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 3: That would be like the Draco and leather pants of

848
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 3: it all, like what people who it's this term of

849
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 3: like people who decided that Draco instead of being this

850
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 3: sort of like simpering like fascist and training, is actually

851
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: this like Daredevil bad Boy okay. And then Fannin would

852
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: also be like you know, or like.

853
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: We're like Remiss is gay actually and series is also

854
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: gay and they are gay for each other, yes, which.

855
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 3: Is essentially like it's almost cannon at this point, even

856
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: no matter what jk Rowling says. And then there's au

857
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 3: alternate universe. That's where you see a lot of like

858
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 3: coffee shop au barista au. People love barista fan fiction

859
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: because I think most people who write fan fiction are.

860
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 4: It's like I don't know, you'll have this or they

861
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 4: work out of a coffee shop.

862
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 6: No, it's like it'll literally be like.

863
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: Like Tom Riddle is a barista and he comes in

864
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 3: a lot and they fall in love. Like that's there

865
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 3: are literally thousands like.

866
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 6: Or like they're in high school, like you know, the

867
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 6: kind of.

868
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Speaker 3: Fun I saw a term that's a jost Okay, So

869
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 3: this is a Buffy term and I've heard it before,

870
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 3: but I didn't know what it was. Okay, a term

871
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 3: that refers to a fan fic made incompatible with Cannon

872
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Speaker 3: by later changes to Cannon postating the authorship of the fiction.

873
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 3: So it's like, okay, so if you were so if

874
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: you're writing something about like, you know, when when Angel

875
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 3: turns evil in season two, and then a couple seasons later,

876
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: like they like kind of change the rules about how

877
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: he loses his soul, like you're fick has been jost

878
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: That's nice. I see.

879
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 4: I kind of like that.

880
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

881
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 3: And then there's mary Sue, which is an old school term,

882
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: old school term, and there's literally a whole website called

883
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 3: Marry Sue kind of school of thought around mary Sue.

884
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 3: So Mary Sue is a self insert character. Bellisoan is

885
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 3: a Mary Sue. I mean, Mary Sue is also kind

886
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 3: of like misogynist.

887
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has a very misogynistic kind of like origins.

888
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: I think it's basically like, oh, this like perfect female

889
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: character who can do no wrong. Then it ended up

890
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: being kind of attributed not just to like self inserts

891
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: and things like that, but just to kind of like

892
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: female characters that people just didn't like and we're like, oh,

893
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: they're too beloved, They're fucking Mary Sue.

894
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 6: Like it's kind of stuff like that.

895
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like that goes way back. That's like a

896
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: two thousands.

897
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 4: Well we've talked about this before, but like Belliswan really

898
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 4: is one of those characters that's like kind of nondescriptive,

899
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 4: so you can kind of canvass anything on her.

900
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 3: You know.

901
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that one of the things

902
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: that was like part of the appeal of her was

903
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: just like, oh.

904
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 4: She's just this like average girl who likes books.

905
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 6: Yeah.

906
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like I don't know, it's like it's

907
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: like the ending of that like thing where it's just

908
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: like the like sort the bimbo and then goes to

909
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: like the woman who like picks up a book.

910
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 6: It's like that, like the person the and is.

911
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: Bellaswah kind of in reverse. Yeah.

912
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe the khaki skirt hello, and it's you know, yeah,

913
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Speaker 6: I don't know. You know, I feel like ORBS should

914
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 6: be a fan fiction.

915
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 3: It should.

916
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 4: It is.

917
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: It is most people will describe with someone's eyes as

918
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: being ORBS.

919
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, why why I feel like I don't know, but

920
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: I remember way back when like My Immortal was like

921
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: I like classic ship post fanfic, and we.

922
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 3: Have talked about My Immortal on the podcast before, so

923
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 3: I don't think we need to go into it again.

924
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: But everyone knows it is the most legendary fan fiction

925
00:46:44,760 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 3: of all time. What's the best fan I've ever read? Oh,

926
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: that's hard or something recently.

927
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: That you read that you okay, Well, like a recent

928
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: thing that I'm really into, and I'm like I kind

929
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: of like force herself to befriend this the writer who

930
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: writes this, it's this series called The Last Enemy.

931
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 6: It's this like Marauder era fanfic.

932
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: It does like multiple points of view, mostly like Lily

933
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: and James from like their fifth year and she plans

934
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: to doing it until.

935
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 4: They you know, get got.

936
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 6: In like nineteen eighty one, and basically like it's just

937
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 6: like kind of it.

938
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: I like it because it kind of actually like emphasizes

939
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: like the stakes, Like you I can't read a fic

940
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: from like that's like Marauder era that isn't like actually

941
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: talking about like terrorism or like fascism or like what

942
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: happens when people are like when young people are rare

943
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: Collies and I think that. I guess, especially just over

944
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: the last like ten fifteen years of like seeing of

945
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: like seeing youth radicalization like up closely on the internet.

946
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 6: I think I'm especially interested in that me too. So

947
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 6: are they like that one?

948
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 3: What's something nasty you've read recently?

949
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 6: Nasty?

950
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: Okay, I can't think of nasty, but I can think

951
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 1: of one that like fucked my head.

952
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 6: I've read.

953
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: So I was like last summer my friends were like

954
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: dreary girlies but also read like other like Draco shit,

955
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: or like, you need to read this germiine bit called Manicold.

956
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: Not I fucking read it, No, like three hundred and

957
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: seventy thousand words.

958
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 3: I was really fucking like, wait's okay, we're gonna offline

959
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 3: about this, Okay, one hundred seventy thousand Yeah, not that long?

960
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: Wait, And I read it and I was just like

961
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: I afterwards, I felt like like it was just so

962
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: bleak Harry Potter meets the handmaid Tale. Like no, it's yeah,

963
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: and it's like a Germie Handmaid's Tale, a situation, but

964
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 1: it also has all these different twists.

965
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 3: But it was good.

966
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: I I I thought, there are lots of elements I'm

967
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: not like I'm not gonna say, oh, this was ship.

968
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 3: It was.

969
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,439
Speaker 1: It was, It was very interesting, but it fucked my head.

970
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: It was the most bleak ship I've like run a

971
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: long time, and I will never read it again. I

972
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: don't need to because I'm still like haunted by the end.

973
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 6: But I don't know, like nasty, I don't know.

974
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 3: Well, I don't remember if I talked about this during

975
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 3: our Harry Potter episode, but I did. This was a

976
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 3: long time ago, like this was definitely on fanfiction dot net,

977
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 3: but I did read a serious once that was about

978
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 3: every chapter was a different character had to tension with

979
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 3: Professor McGonagall, and she bucked all of them. And I

980
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 3: think I think she sucked Hermione as a cat.

981
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 4: So wait a minute, is like a book McGonagall or

982
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 4: is it Maggie Smith? You know, I didn't because that's

983
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 4: I actually.

984
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 3: Think it might have been before the movies came out

985
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 3: or like no, no, no, it would have been like

986
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 3: maybe after the first two movies.

987
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 6: So it might have been Maggie.

988
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: One thing that I really wanted to emphasize that I

989
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: think is interesting about how fanfic has like changed in

990
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: some like really interesting ways in some ways that I'm

991
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: like is like now I feel like for better or

992
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: for worse, people like really kind of think of like

993
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: who they their pairings are, like who they are in

994
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: a way, it's it represents their politics and things like.

995
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 3: That, like crow shippers and antiot.

996
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, but like yeah, for sure. But also it's just

997
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 6: kind of interesting to see the way.

998
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: For example, especially in Harry Potter, the way that people

999
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: have responded to, like perhaps like the lack of diversity

1000
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: in the series is to be like, oh, I'm gonna

1001
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: make James Potter like South Asian and it's like, okay, cool,

1002
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: that's fine, Like do what you want, like it's fanfic,

1003
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: you like have them be eaten in dosas, Like that's

1004
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: all good to me. But then I do think that

1005
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: sometimes people kind of to like ease the guilt of

1006
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: reading like the Turf's books and like kind of playing

1007
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: with the Turf's characters. They're like, I am going to

1008
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: make every single person in this like they put them

1009
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: in like the like like marginalized person like machine.

1010
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 4: Where like wheelchair Yeah it looks like a college and missions.

1011
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah exactly.

1012
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: And I'm just like look, I'm just like okay, like

1013
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, like half the characters are like are you know,

1014
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 1: I don't know, like basically like a Benetton catalog. Yeah,

1015
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: there's people who are on the spectrum. There's people who

1016
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: are like trans, like Remus is like a trans woman,

1017
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: and it's like that's it's it's like simultaneously like really

1018
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: like kind of fun and interesting to see people like,

1019
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: especially this newer generation kind of being like, yeah, I'm

1020
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: gonna make like Remaslubin a trans woman like fuck off.

1021
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: But I do think some people don't do it in

1022
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: a kind of like I do this to see myself

1023
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: kind of way. I think they kind of do it

1024
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: into like here's how fucking progressive I am. Here's and

1025
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm doing like and I'm just like I want you

1026
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: to do it because you want to see yourself or

1027
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: want to see like a more like diverse world, not

1028
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: because you're trying to like get like points on like

1029
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: look at how like many marginalized identities I put in

1030
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:24,959
Speaker 1: this like fucking fan fiction.

1031
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 4: I completely agree because it to me, it's like especially

1032
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 4: well you can just with something like that the intention

1033
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 4: you can kind of smell yeah you know what I mean? Yeah,

1034
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 4: And I feel like it can really, when you have

1035
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 4: so many different kind of marginalized stories you to me,

1036
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 4: it's like you're diluting all of them, honestly, especially if

1037
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 4: you don't come from any of those intersections, or you'll

1038
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 4: only come from one. It's like it's so much more

1039
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 4: impactful to take a story and and hone in on

1040
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 4: it and be like, this is the one that I

1041
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 4: want to tell and it's you know, outside of canon,

1042
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 4: and this is why.

1043
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: And instead you get someone like the person on Twitter

1044
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: who is like Regulus black is not white, and I

1045
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: was like, he's one hundred percent cracker baby, Like I

1046
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: don't know what to what to.

1047
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,239
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1050
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1051
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1052
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Speaker 2: Fran Rose and Like a Virgin Hall of Famer Honey

1067
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 2: Pluton on their first time ever watching Lord of the Rings.

1068
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1073
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Speaker 3: So we heard a little Birdie told us, and by

1074
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 3: little Birdie I mean one of the eagles that rescued

1075
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 3: the Hobbits, that you watched the Ring all of.

1076
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Speaker 7: That, every last one in your post post op, because

1077
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 7: I was like, when am I going to have twelve

1078
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 7: hours to devote to this? Like Mecca, and I just

1079
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 7: have so many people in my life that I love

1080
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 7: who are like Lord of the Rings, ride or Dies,

1081
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 7: read all the books, watch all the movies, watch them

1082
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 7: every year. And I'm not really like a fantasy guy,

1083
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 7: but I just I just love watching anything that means

1084
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 7: a lot to someone else, especially if I can watch

1085
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 7: it with them. So me and my bestie September shout out.

1086
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Speaker 7: We watch all the Lord of the Rings, and I

1087
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Speaker 7: feel like I watched them in the most ideal state

1088
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 7: where I'm like kind of very high on opioids, so

1089
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 7: I'm already like twelve feet away from my body and

1090
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 7: my television and like having to crank the sound on

1091
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 7: my TV to like one hundred because Okay, then I

1092
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 7: realized I've never really taken pain pills before that. That's why,

1093
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 7: you know, when like when you're growing up, Jeopardy would

1094
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 7: turn to Wheel of Fortune, and then Wheel of Fortune

1095
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 7: would always be like way louder because they're all on

1096
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 7: vicot in.

1097
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 3: Oh my god, and they're all like.

1098
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 5: Muffled love makes everything so quiet, like and you can't poop.

1099
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 3: No.

1100
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 4: I have a very traumatic and.

1101
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 5: What happened, well, I'm long, long story short.

1102
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 7: My girlfriend literally had to like crack a ship out

1103
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 7: of my ass, and I was recovering from surgery because

1104
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 7: I was so constant. No, you have to laugh, but

1105
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 7: I have my biggest fear in life is being constipated.

1106
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 7: I don't know why, like melvis trauma. So I was like,

1107
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 7: I had her bring home like a thirty two ounce

1108
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 7: Dunk in Donuts cookie butter cold, and it's actually a

1109
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 7: prescriptive laxative that you should literally have like a doctor's

1110
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 7: note in order to have that didn't do it. But

1111
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 7: then I was taking laxatives and suppositors at the same time.

1112
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 3: They were meeting in the middle.

1113
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 7: Literally like magnets, so that I couldn't do it. But

1114
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 7: then I was an excruciating cramp and like pushing and

1115
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 7: literally hearing like the d MT horn and like seeing fractals.

1116
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 7: I was like fully hallucinating, and then I was like, age,

1117
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 7: it stuck, and then she has to crack it out

1118
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 7: of my ass. I tell the story onstage sometimes and

1119
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 7: I'm like, that is actually the marker of true love,

1120
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 7: where it's like will this will your partner crack the ass?

1121
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 5: We crack your ass, and not in the way it's

1122
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 5: normally one.

1123
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 4: Genuinely.

1124
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 7: It's the Lord of the Rings. So I feel like

1125
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 7: you can't watch it without a guide. It's really confusing.

1126
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 7: You kind of need someone who you need a Gandalf

1127
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 7: who's like studied the Loure. And I think the first

1128
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 7: one is my favorite.

1129
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 3: The first one is the best.

1130
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 7: I love the first one because there's more liv Tyler,

1131
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 7: there's more Cape Blanchette, And I was kind of confused

1132
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 7: watching it the whole time, but like because it's kind

1133
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 7: of like where I can't watch Game of Throw because

1134
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 7: there's too many characters where it's like I watch Real

1135
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 7: Housewives and I need to because it shows.

1136
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 6: The name every time.

1137
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, I'm like I need to be I'm too

1138
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 7: brain damage, Like I need to be reminded like who

1139
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 7: this woman is. But I think that I'm never going

1140
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 7: to be like a full stand because I wouldn't watch

1141
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 7: it independently. But I liked Okay, I love the Hobbits,

1142
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 7: Frodo Rocks, who's the other one?

1143
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 4: Trans mask and Sam Sam gay guys guys gay trans

1144
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 4: maskline individuals.

1145
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 3: Mary and Pippen were giving what they're also gay, they're

1146
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 3: also gay?

1147
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 5: Who are those the other two that follow them around?

1148
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 7: It's like they're just trying to find the afters, like

1149
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 7: that's all they they're doing. They're literally trying to go

1150
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 7: to but the only one of them is on the list,

1151
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 7: and they're trying to like figure out a way to

1152
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 7: get to.

1153
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 4: So if the Fellowship of the Ring is like a

1154
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 4: kind of a kind of queer group of friends. Yes,

1155
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 4: I have we said already that Gandolf is trans question mark,

1156
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 4: probably because you shall not no.

1157
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 6: No, you shall have I love Gandalf.

1158
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 3: Is like a toxic gig guy who's saying to the

1159
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 3: ball rog who is a trans woman you shall not know?

1160
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 7: Absolutely like Gandolf, I just like really really loved him,

1161
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 7: loved his vibe where it's just like he comes and

1162
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 7: he goes as he pleases.

1163
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 3: He like a wizard, is never late.

1164
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 7: Absolutely he has all this information where it's like to me,

1165
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 7: actually Gandolf is like the ancient scribe that now like

1166
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 7: lives in New Orleans.

1167
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, and like does and does

1168
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 4: reading lesbian is a.

1169
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 7: Lesbian like Gandolf is kind of les I don't want

1170
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 7: that to be true, but I love who's Biggel Mortensen.

1171
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 4: Gorn so sexy, so sexy air Gorn. That makes sense

1172
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 4: to me.

1173
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 6: He's brave.

1174
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 5: It's like I just want to like follow his whole arc.

1175
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 3: But then with the second and third.

1176
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 7: Movies, I was actually just like fully confused. I didn't

1177
00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 7: know what was going on anymore.

1178
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 3: It's you do need a guide. There's some visual companions. Yeah,

1179
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 3: there's lotr wiki. Yes, did you watch the extended versions

1180
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 3: or no? I do not recommend. I have done the

1181
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 3: extended versions, but I prefer the theatrical cuts.

1182
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 4: And then why do you both love it?

1183
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 3: Yes?

1184
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 5: Why do you both love it?

1185
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 3: What is it?

1186
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 4: It's I think it's a nostalgic upbringing thing. Like it's

1187
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 4: definitely tied to like a part of like you know,

1188
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 4: my my my life, where I was just like just

1189
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 4: really learned how to love something in like the world

1190
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 4: building of it. Like Rose and I are true nerds,

1191
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 4: and very much so fantasy nerds, and I think that,

1192
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 4: you know, as a storyteller, I was like, oh my god,

1193
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 4: they have like their own languages and like there's this

1194
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 4: book with all their like different kinds of armor and

1195
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 4: their histories or whatever. And I think that for me

1196
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 4: it was like the yeah, the depth of like the storytelling.

1197
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 4: But like in hindsight, Like I mean, I don't think

1198
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 4: the extended versions are even like watchable like us unless

1199
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 4: you're like a super diversion, right, And.

1200
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 7: There's Galam him is a fucking cross dresser like that

1201
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 7: is Gollum. Like Gollum is like the foul c d

1202
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 7: who like goes up to all the dolls just to

1203
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 7: be like obnoxious and creepy and you just like cannot

1204
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 7: get rid of it, but then you also kind of.

1205
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 5: Like pity it.

1206
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 3: But is also kind of like the like the hasidic

1207
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 3: man who would hang outside of this and.

1208
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 7: That exactly where Gollum is also like the chaser with

1209
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 7: no game, also just kind of an who's like an

1210
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 7: egg sissy who like goes home to his like nasty apartment.

1211
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 5: Like roaches and like one light bulb hanging from us.

1212
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 3: Everything everything is.

1213
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 5: Exactly.

1214
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 3: Everything is like you could crack one of his sheep

1215
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 3: on his cat, but he's never had a cat.

1216
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 5: And then and then when he when he's alone, he

1217
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 5: just puts on like goodbye horses.

1218
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 7: It's there like Buffalo Bill, you know what I mean,

1219
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 7: like puts on his stockings, yes, puts on his stockings

1220
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 7: and his like Revlon Rouge and like tucks his dick

1221
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 7: and dances in the fucking mirror.

1222
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 5: But it's just like get a life, like get a

1223
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 5: fucking life.