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Speaker 1: And welcome to Monday's This is a Big Blue Kickoff

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Speaker 1: I'm Lance Meado. Good to be with you for the

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Speaker 1: get into a few subjects on today's show as we

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Speaker 1: get you set for the combine. There's also a lot

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Speaker 1: of chatter that the Competition Committee is going to be

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Speaker 1: discussing potential rule changes, so we'll get into some of

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Speaker 1: that feedback as well, plus your phone calls as well

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Speaker 1: as your tweets. And we've got an interesting post question

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Speaker 1: for today's show. Considering everybody's in their movie themed discussions

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Speaker 1: are throwing out if you had a choice to pick

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Speaker 1: page you could vote for that will give you the

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Speaker 1: results as the show progresses. With that being said, Paul,

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting to start with news based on

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Speaker 1: the Competition Committee conversations. And Judy Batista of the NFL

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Speaker 1: reporting that the Competition Committee is going to be looking

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Speaker 1: rule changes. I want to read you the exact tweets

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Speaker 1: Committee meetings get underway today in Indianapolis to discuss potential

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Speaker 1: rules changes. One member told me he's not sure anything

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Speaker 1: will be done to instant replay. Definitely doesn't see enough

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Speaker 1: support for reviewing non calls as the Saints pass interference

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Speaker 1: non call was. Then goes on to say the Competition

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Speaker 1: Committee will also though look at punt, but no changes

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Speaker 1: together to formulate ideas as they did last year for

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Speaker 1: the kickoff. League is happy with fewer injuries on kickoffs.

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Speaker 1: Now believe punt is more dangerous play in the game.

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Speaker 1: End quote. So interesting to hear that. So they may

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Speaker 1: be looking at the punt last year, remember, and in

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Speaker 1: years past, the conversation has always been focusing on the kickoff.

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Speaker 1: But as I suspected, there's not a great deal of

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Speaker 1: what Judy Battista also tweeted out as quote unintended consequences

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Speaker 1: end quote, meaning you open it up to replay, and

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Speaker 1: you open up Pandora's box, so you create more controversy

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Speaker 1: as opposed perhaps getting things right. Boy, that's a mouthful.

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Speaker 1: I understand it. My solution, and I tweeted this earlier

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Speaker 1: the Alliance of American Football use the sky Judge for

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Speaker 1: one season, see how the sky judge works in action

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Speaker 1: the NFL, and that would be a way to enhance

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Speaker 1: And it's not just necessarily for review. It's also simply, Paul,

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Speaker 1: It's not like they could dance for three minutes. There

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Speaker 1: even thrown numbers it this way. The highest Ben Roethlisberger

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Speaker 1: has ever had was fifteen, So we're talked about a

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Speaker 1: scale to twenty maybe, and in Eli, Eli has has

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Speaker 1: also had fifteen. Last year Ben was a fourteen, Eli

434
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Speaker 1: was a twelve? What about Germain curiosity? Bring up Brady

435
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Speaker 1: where that's a good point, End up with Brady, and

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Speaker 1: then maybe we'll have a better idea of what the

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Speaker 1: highest numbers are. I would think that's a scale of

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Speaker 1: either fifteen or twenty would be my guests as you

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Speaker 1: look through that. But listen, I think the last Cohler

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Speaker 1: brought up fair points. I've always said this, there's nothing

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Speaker 1: wrong with saying two things can happen simultaneously. Eli Manning

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Speaker 1: can remain as the quarterback of this team. He is

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Speaker 1: still productive, and at the same time the Giants can

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Speaker 1: prioritize finding his successor. It almost feels as if, whenever

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Speaker 1: you have a conversation about the quarterback for the Giants

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Speaker 1: in this day and age, which I don't understand, you

447
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Speaker 1: either have to be four or against Eli Manning. There

448
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Speaker 1: could be no middle ground in this conversation where Eli

449
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Speaker 1: can still be productive, he can still be the quarterback

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Speaker 1: of this team, but at the same time, it's also

451
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Speaker 1: valuable in saying you don't know how many more years

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Speaker 1: he's gonna play, And there's nothing wrong with looking for

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Speaker 1: the future. I've said the same thing about the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: and the Chargers should be having those conversations. And you

455
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Speaker 1: can throw out all you want about how Pittsburgh's made

456
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Speaker 1: the playoffs a lot more consistently and this and that.

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Speaker 1: That's also encompassing team success, not just quarterback success. Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady had a career high twenty four in two thousand

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Speaker 1: seven when ELI and the Giants beat him. Last year,

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Speaker 1: Brady was a fourteen, Sam was a fourteen. ELI was

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Speaker 1: a twelve. So if Brady got a twenty four, then,

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Speaker 1: like I said, the scale is maybe up to thirty.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Possibly I I don't know either. That's

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Speaker 1: why it's so bizarre when you throw out if you

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Speaker 1: walked up to a random individual and said ELI had

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Speaker 1: an a v of eleven, even I would look at

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Speaker 1: you with five different eyes. I have no idea what

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Speaker 1: it means. But for these stating folks who just like

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Speaker 1: to pick these stats out of the air without any

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Speaker 1: understanding about the football game itself, Uh, the number there

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Speaker 1: for ELI certainly belies the fact that he's done. So

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Speaker 1: I'm just throwing a stupid argument back in the face

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Speaker 1: of people who are shallow enough to believe that pure

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Speaker 1: numbers tell the story. Well, that's why I also think

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Speaker 1: if you're going to evaluate a quarterback, I'm not so

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Speaker 1: crazy in some of those individual statistics. I think what's

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Speaker 1: fair is and this was one of the points that

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Speaker 1: the last caller brought up. If you look at Eli

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Speaker 1: compared to the landscape of quarterbacks in the NFL. Now,

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Speaker 1: at the same time, if a quarterback only is thrown

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Speaker 1: twenty two touchdowns, let's say they could be a run

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Speaker 1: based team. So you can't necessarily fault to quarterback for

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Speaker 1: not having high touchdown numbers. That's a product of the

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Speaker 1: entire offense. A lot of factors that are brought into play.

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Speaker 1: But you know he was starting out, Derek Carr, Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 1: If you look at where maybe Eli Manning's touchdown to

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Speaker 1: interception ratio is compared to the rest of the league,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a fair gauge. Paul Well, because that

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Speaker 1: at speaks volumes of the decision making of the cube.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong with certain statistics in

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Speaker 1: comparison to other quarterbacks. It's the same argument that people

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Speaker 1: used against Phil Simms. I mean, Phil Simms played in

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Speaker 1: a run oriented offense, okay, and his best receiving threat

494
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Speaker 1: was his tight end in Mark Bovaro. Alright, and he

495
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Speaker 1: played in the nasty winds of the meadowlands. There were

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Speaker 1: a lot of factors. Why Phil cannot be judged strictly

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Speaker 1: on the numbers. Well, that's what I'm saying. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: fall I would say, if you wanted to judge him

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Speaker 1: on numbers, judge him on Super Bowl twenty one. Take

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Speaker 1: those numbers and you know what about one of the

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Speaker 1: greatest performances every exactly, no doubt about it. But I guess,

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Speaker 1: just to expand on my point, I'm not saying to

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Speaker 1: look at Eli Mannings twenty one touching and say, oh,

504
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Speaker 1: you know what, that's low, because you look at Patrick

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Speaker 1: Mahomes he had nearly triple the amount of touchdowns that

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning had. What I would say is, if you're

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Speaker 1: throwing twenty one touchdowns, Paul, and you have twenty interceptions,

508
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: know that maybe is something that raises a flag. However, anyway,

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Speaker 1: you also need to take it the consideration. See this

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Speaker 1: is why the number alone there was that season when

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Speaker 1: Eli I want to say it was two thousand ten Paul,

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Speaker 1: he had thirty one touchdowns. He had twenty five interceptions,

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Speaker 1: and about seven of the interceptions were deflections off of

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Speaker 1: wide receiver's hands. Pretty sure it was two thousand ten.

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Speaker 1: I could be wrong, could be a different season. Remember

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Speaker 1: that year where Eli threw at least six or seven

517
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Speaker 1: and went off of fingertips. They were deflections And it

518
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Speaker 1: wasn't as if, oh my god, it was a rerendous throw.

519
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: It was, Hey, the luck of the draw, the way

520
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: the ball bounces didn't necessarily work out in his favor.

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Speaker 1: So was that one year where Reuben Randall was responsible

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Speaker 1: for either deflected picks or wrong route picks? I believe

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Speaker 1: nine by himself. Yeah, that's why I'm pretty sure it

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Speaker 1: was ridiculous. Anyway, let's head back to the phone lines

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Speaker 1: two zero, one, five, one, three lines Metal Paula Tino

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Speaker 1: with you here Monday's edition A Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: Mike is in Florida, Mike, Welcome to the program. What

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Speaker 1: do you have for us? Good Mike's mind? Not much

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Speaker 1: beautiful weather down here is but going through my uh

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Speaker 1: post NFL season withdrawals like you guys are um the

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Speaker 1: caller before with the Evin man in comments is dead

532
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: on I don't hear these conversations about Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlis. Further,

533
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Speaker 1: Eli Mann keeps himself and it and he keeps himself

534
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: mentally and his body fine tuned all year. You can tell.

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Speaker 1: I mean he takes every snap, plays every game without

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Speaker 1: the unbelievables uhum consecutive game record if it wasn't for

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Speaker 1: that Geno Smith fiasco two years ago. But the thing

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Speaker 1: um I'm saying is, I think it's a man as

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Speaker 1: a couple more years easy he had. He had a

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Speaker 1: very good season considering your line is playing on that

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Speaker 1: and the way he can the world. I saw because

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Speaker 1: I take ever again, I looked at the last with

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Speaker 1: a line started clicking with Jamon Brown coming in and

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Speaker 1: Spencer Polly. Don't forget him. He's a he's a favorite

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Speaker 1: of mine. I hope they I hope they signed him.

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Speaker 1: I think he's uh. He did a great job and

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Speaker 1: and wide receivers. It was contagious Shepherd and uh and

548
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: back going they were blocking downfield. I think they got

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Speaker 1: some some good players. I think Coleman is going to

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Speaker 1: have a good year. He's a he's a fantastic kick returner.

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Speaker 1: Um So I think he should uh uh, he might

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Speaker 1: be competing for for a wide receiver position. Um. But

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Speaker 1: I'm really really getting set up with the instate on

554
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: He's been going on for years, but it's getting worse.

555
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: They do at the older he gets, and that's obvious.

556
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Speaker 1: But I think he still has two or three good

557
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Speaker 1: years left and I hope they don't. I know, Getleman's

558
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: not going to draft for the sake of position. He's

559
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: going to draft the best best player. Or we would

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Speaker 1: have had uh Donald or or Baker Mayfield last year

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Speaker 1: instead of uh, instead of say Kwan, who is a

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Speaker 1: revelation UM Eli would have had by my in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: Eli would would have had more UM more touchdown passes

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Speaker 1: n F Quon Barkley was not on the team because

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Speaker 1: how many times did he run off? Uh? You know

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Speaker 1: how many a run off tackle into the end. But

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Speaker 1: in fairness, in fairness, Mike, you can argue that Barkley's

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Speaker 1: presence though, helps open things up for Eli Manning in

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Speaker 1: the past game, so they go really hand in hand.

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Speaker 1: Totally agree. I totally agree, Um, But twenty one touchdowns

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Speaker 1: eleven UM eleven interceptions and Beckon through two touchdowns, So

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Speaker 1: I mean then he started averaging thirty points a game

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Speaker 1: at the end of the year. So I think they're

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Speaker 1: off senches okay, except for the right tackle. I think

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Speaker 1: they can use uh. I think we only would be

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Speaker 1: a good to keep around for depth, but I think

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Speaker 1: you need to address that in the draft, and definitely

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Speaker 1: Ed Rusher. And I am not a big fan of

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Speaker 1: Curtis Riley. When he just let that uh together, I

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Speaker 1: think that might have been Zekiel adding it. Last end

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Speaker 1: they walked by him into the end zone and the

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Speaker 1: coach took him out as you should have. That Just

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Speaker 1: that just sealed us to me. I mean, I didn't

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Speaker 1: think he was a start anyhow, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: he helped Landon Collins at all. Um. Not that that matters,

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Speaker 1: but right now I think they need to start to

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00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: shop for us uh Strong. I'm sorry at free safety,

588
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: well safety, I think it's gonna be a key position.

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Speaker 1: And listen, we're gonna let you go on that note, Mike,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you weighing in. Weighing in well, First of all,

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Speaker 1: Corey Coleman's a restricted free agent. Just to throw some

592
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: facts out there, Curtis ry he's an unrestricted free agent

593
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: because he threw out those two players. And the reason

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Speaker 1: I say that is you can't operate under the mindset

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Speaker 1: that Corey Coleman is definitely gonna be back. You know,

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Speaker 1: you just don't know how free agency is gonna play out.

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00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: So when you start saying, oh, well, he'll be a

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00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: fourth receiver, he's a great kickoff return I don't disagree

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Speaker 1: with the caller. It's just you can't guarantee that these

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Speaker 1: players are gonna be back because we have to see

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Speaker 1: how the market plays go. Although I would tell you, boy,

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Speaker 1: he was really dynamic on kickoff returns. He was. He

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00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: definitely provided as I think as Henderson did too, by

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Speaker 1: the way, before he got hurt. As much as that's

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Speaker 1: a luxury, boy, I'd like to see him back, even

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Speaker 1: if it's just to compete as the fifth receiver, even

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Speaker 1: if he gives them nothing in the receiving game. Just

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00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: his kickoff return ability was was pretty good. Well, you

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00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: need specialist in the NFL. Regardless of whether or not

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Speaker 1: kickoffs have as much flexibility as they did back in

611
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: the day, you still need opportunities for the twisting and

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00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: turning of field positioning. And I think that when Coleman

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Speaker 1: got his opportunities. Henderson I mentioned as another guy that

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Speaker 1: I thought was a bright spot last year. I would

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00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: say this is a team, Paul. I think overall, we

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00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 1: saw a lot more productivity in the return game than

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Speaker 1: we had seen in the previous what five or six

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Speaker 1: seasons combined last year, and there were a number of

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Speaker 1: different guys in various roles. Well, I mean, again, we've

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Speaker 1: talked about this before too. The Giants have had a

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Speaker 1: lot of trouble with return guys over the years. I mean,

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Speaker 1: in the last ten or fifteen years, the outliers were

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Speaker 1: Dominic Kixon and Dwayne Harris. Hickson they got lucky because

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00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: the Broncos waived him and Dwayne Harris they wound up

625
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: playing paying a pretty good buck for but also proved

626
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Speaker 1: to be valuable as a receiver. By the way, was

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Speaker 1: Dwyne Harris fan Let's not forget about that. By the way,

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00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: didn't he return one for the Raiders this year? I

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Speaker 1: believe he did later the season if I'm correct, you know, um,

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Speaker 1: but he became a stary cap casualty, and of course

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Speaker 1: he had gotten hurt as well, which made that easier

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Speaker 1: to do. But I mean, outside of those two guys,

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Speaker 1: think about it. You know, over the last decade, two decades,

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Speaker 1: it's it's not been a great thing. Yeah. And then

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Speaker 1: the other debate is Dixon Dave Megan. I mean, I'm reaching,

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00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: You're you're going much back. Yeah. Well, I was gonna

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Speaker 1: say in an ideal world, and I know this is

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Speaker 1: not the popular opinion, and I don't care. I've made

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00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: it well known. I would take more of an advantage

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Speaker 1: of s Kwon Barkley and Odell Beckham. I think when

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Speaker 1: you have that talent on your team. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying the Giants are wrong, I'm just in my personal opinion,

643
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: you have those guys on your team, I would work

644
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: them in here and there as return guys. The Steelers

645
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: have done it with Antonio Brown. We'll see what happens

646
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: with his future in Pittsburgh. But when you have skills

647
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: like that, you gotta take advantage. You gotta utilize the players.

648
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: Anybody could get hurt on any given play in football.

649
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: I'm not one who coaches out of fear. I've never

650
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: believed that on any level, high school level, college level.

651
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: I've got a playmaker on my roster, Paul, I'm going

652
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: to utilize them, and I know fans are on the

653
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: opposite end of the spectrum, and that's fine. We're all

654
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: entitled to our opinions. But I don't want to hear

655
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: that the Giants don't have those ex factors, game changing

656
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: type of players. If they truly wanted to take advantage

657
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: of them. They do, and we'll see whether or not

658
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: they implement them a little bit more moving forward, but

659
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: in all likelihood, the Giants are going to have other

660
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 1: specialists in those roles. Let's head back to the phone

661
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: lines at two zero, one four five one three. Joe

662
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: is in Pennsylvania. Joe, welcome to the program. What do

663
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: you got for us? What do you got first? So

664
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: what what use we're talking about? First? I just want

665
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 1: to stay with the officials and whatever they decide on whatever.

666
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: All I want them to do is get it straight.

667
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: Like I said, I've never so burned this year when

668
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: they go to replay and it's obvious the call and

669
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: they don't even get that right enough. Well, but Joe,

670
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: in fairness, before we let you continue, see when you

671
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: say get it right. In your opinion, they didn't get

672
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: it right, that doesn't mean that it wasn't right. According

673
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: to the rule of law. There's a disting different when

674
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: you when you see it out of bound, there's something

675
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: the player and that like like that when they step

676
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: right out of bounds and you can see their foot

677
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: out of bounds and then they say, oh, we didn't

678
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: have that replay. They get every replay. Plus they're a

679
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: little bit they sometimes It's not it's not that they

680
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: don't have to replay, Joe, it's the fact that, remember,

681
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: you need conclusive evidence to overturn coming out. I remember

682
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: in the Eagle game and everything coming out who had

683
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: the football? The Eagle guy definitely running out. But they're ridiculous.

684
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: Come on, it's a hundred percent proven that you know

685
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: what I mean, and they don't get it right. I

686
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: don't know that's your opinion. But anyway, what else you

687
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: got for us? Okay, what I want to talk about

688
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: is I think we're in a great position at number six.

689
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: They're really and truly and uh, what I think we

690
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: do need most is that pass Russia, and I think

691
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: that was like it's evidence. When we played the Eagles

692
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: this year, their whole defensive backfield was out and everything,

693
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: but they could still put pressure on us and that's

694
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: what really kept them in the game and they want it,

695
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: you know. And Dallas has a good pass rush too,

696
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: and uh, but the key is is gonna be the

697
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: quarterback again too, because you know the threads running out

698
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: on the ELI. He might be here to two, three

699
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: or four years. Great, but I'm saying we're in a

700
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: great position too if we like one of these quarterbacks.

701
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: I see Murray. They said he's his weights up the

702
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: two five pounds. Now I don't know, you know, his

703
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,479
Speaker 1: his size is probably still five nine and a half.

704
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: I don't think he's growing overnight. So that's a fair assessment.

705
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: But but you know, if they would like him, honest

706
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: to God, his ability is is unreal there, uh, you know,

707
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: to be behind Eli or even on long down, just

708
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: to say if we drafted him and brought him in

709
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: on when we were in so many third and twenties

710
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: and that he might as will bring him in because

711
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: then the pass rush just can't take off, you know

712
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: what I mean, and be they have to hold their

713
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: grounds and stuff like that, you know, and if the

714
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: Elaine opens up, so what you know, because this kid

715
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: could take off. And John was talking about special packages,

716
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: you know, how to how teams would have to prepare

717
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: if we had Murray with with Eli and then to

718
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: bring him in just in a special package now and

719
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: then goal line or something like that. You know, uh,

720
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: but you know that's here or there and the news

721
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: we're talking about. I listened to your show. You know,

722
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: if you get the wrong quarterback, it's gonna set us

723
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: back so many years. Well, in some ways I disagree.

724
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: If we're right there at number six and if we

725
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: like the guy from Ohio State or the guy uh

726
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: that Murray there, and we draft them and say they

727
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: don't work out, well, next year you can draft again,

728
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: because like, look at the year we drafted Eli, we

729
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: had to give up a couple of number ones and

730
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: a couple other players. Well, go at San Diego guy.

731
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: So I said that that is the need to get

732
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: that quarterback right too, if you like him. Yeah, but

733
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: then you're spending two consecutive drafts on one position. That's

734
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: the counter to get it right. As long as I

735
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: don't disagree with you, I don't disagree with you. Right

736
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: you could you have the opportunity, you really and you're

737
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: not giving up extrafer Joe. How they deal with the

738
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: bottom five defense that they put on the field last year.

739
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: I understand that's what I'm saying, But I mean somewhere

740
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: down the line, the thread is gonna run out on

741
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: Eli and he's gonna go flat. And you know what

742
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: I mean, we have the opportunity. That's why, definitely, you

743
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: always gonna have to look at that when we're in

744
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: that position that we don't especially if we wouldn't have

745
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: to pay up extra to go up and uh to

746
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: get a quarterback like that. So uh but really and truly,

747
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, we're in a great position really Uh. Like

748
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: I said, I want to defense uh uh and then

749
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: the rush or an offensive lineman and then uh, I

750
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: guess the quarterback. The defense really has got to be

751
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: build up, you know. Uh. Because we did, we were

752
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: the highest scoring offense in the in the East. Then uh,

753
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: I think we can go from there. I also seen

754
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: Ingram he had I don't know how they were rating

755
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: these numbers, but he has had the best rating as

756
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: a tight end in the East. I don't know how

757
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: they were doing that. I did see see that. Wasn't

758
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: sure how that was. He just beat out the guy

759
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: from Bill Delphistom. Well, I'd have to see how they're

760
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: rating it. And the criteria Joe, and appreciate the phone call.

761
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for weighing in. I mean, with respect

762
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: to the draft strategy. You brought up the defense, and

763
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: Joe mentioned they scored the most points in the NFC East,

764
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: But what's missing in that conversation, as they also gave

765
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: up the most points in the NFC East. Don't do

766
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: half the conversation there, Joe. Don't just point to the

767
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: fact that the offense scored the most points of the division.

768
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: Offense defense also gave up the most points. You know,

769
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: it's a team, It's not just one position. That's what

770
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: always frustrates me in terms of building teams. People focus quarterback, quarterback, quarterback,

771
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 1: and they don't realize if you don't have a good defense,

772
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how great your quarterback is. There is nothing

773
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: wrong if the Giants are content with taking a quarterback

774
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: in number six. Everybody in the room loves him. I

775
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: have no problem with that philosophy. But where I disagree

776
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: with Joe Paul is him saying, well, then if the

777
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: guy doesn't turn out, they could always then take another

778
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: quarterback to following here. How many years in a row

779
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: do you want to focus on one position? That's the

780
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: Cleveland Brown's mentality. Yeah, I mean, eventually you're gonna have.

781
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: For that matter, how many qbs did they go through

782
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: in the last ten years went to a number? Yeah,

783
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, Joe, I'm sorry, I just I can't.

784
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't see your point of view on

785
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: that one at all. No, but he's right about if

786
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: they're at six and there's a pass rusher there that

787
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: fits the need and the value checklist, you need somebody

788
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: to compliment Olivier Vernon right now, is this roster stands

789
00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: and we don't know what's going to become of this

790
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: safety position, But regardless of what happens at that position,

791
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: you can argue depth at corner depending on how free

792
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: agency plays out. I mean, you could go top to

793
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: bottom poll on this defense and you could say they

794
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: could arguably need to add somebody at every position and

795
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: it wouldn't hurt this defense, whether it be a starter

796
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: or at least somebody at a backup position. You know,

797
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: that's what this defense is looking at right now. There

798
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: were issues in terms of stopping the run, issues getting

799
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: off the field on third down, issues, getting after the quarterback,

800
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: and the stats across the board you could point to

801
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: where they've had some troubles in the consistency department. A

802
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: little bit more will be clear once the tagging period

803
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: ends March five. That will help us a little bit

804
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: in terms of identifying what is available before you even

805
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: get to the draft. I mean, remember, folks, free agency

806
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: is first. Okay, we're sitting here and I honestly I

807
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: get the fact that the draft is a sexy topic,

808
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: but quite honestly, the Giants are going have to succeed

809
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: both in free agency and the draft. If they're going

810
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: to be a playoff team this year, they will need

811
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: to win in both areas of acquisition, combination of both.

812
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: It's going to have to be. They're not gonna be

813
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: able to do it just in the draft or just

814
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,479
Speaker 1: in free agency. They're not set up that way. They've

815
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: got to win in both avenues. So, you know, all

816
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: of this intense concentration on they've got to get this

817
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: in the draft. It's it's it's literally bordering on absurdity

818
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: because we need to find out what they're gonna do

819
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: in free agency that is going to have a dramatic impact.

820
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: Trust me, Heck, we don't even know if Landon Collins

821
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: or or for that matter, there's a cab casualty. They've

822
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: got free agency that they've got to deal with in

823
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: their own locker room. Plus they've got potential cap casualties

824
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: that they may not even bring back. And yet people

825
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: are getting so wrapped up and ends about what they're

826
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: doing the draft. I get it, I get it. See

827
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: what what I like to tell people is, this is

828
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: what they need to add this offseason. Okay, you need

829
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: to get this, this, this, this, this is what you

830
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: have to go shopping for. This is your shopping list targets.

831
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: Does it matter where you get it from? No, it

832
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. What does matter is how much money you

833
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: can spend in free agency to get certain parts of

834
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: that list crossed off. And certainly with what we think

835
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: the law of supplying demand is, you're probably not going

836
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: to get a quality right tackle in free agency. That

837
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: doesn't appear to be possible. So that's probably a spot

838
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to go to the draft for. But

839
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: if you want to acquire through free agency a pass rusher,

840
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: you might have the chance to buy one. You might,

841
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: and you also will have a chance to draft to

842
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: one too, and you could do both by the way,

843
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: you could see them adding paula pass rusher in free agency,

844
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 1: and then with the sixth overall pick taking one as well,

845
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: you could you could probably buy a safety if you

846
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: needed to. In free agency. There appeared to be a

847
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: bunch of those guys available, and the market for safeties

848
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: last year was rather correct. It was underwhelming. Okay, uh

849
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: so you may want to lean that way if you're

850
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: looking for a safety. If you're looking for a corner,

851
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: you probably want to go through the draft. If you're

852
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 1: looking for a linebacker, you might dabble eat away because

853
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: there were some decent free agent linebackers. They're gonna be available.

854
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: So but the point is you just go in with

855
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: the shopping list and say, they've got to get this

856
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: these guys or these areas to freak out now over

857
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: what are they gonna do with the first round pick,

858
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: or what are they gonna do with the second round pick?

859
00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: Or what it? Guys? Relax, Relax. Our poll question that

860
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: we put up in the beginning of the show was

861
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: in the wake of the Oscars, which Giant wins Best

862
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: Supporting role Player. We gave you four choices. Michael Thomas,

863
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter, b w Web, Corey Coleman and Michael Thomas

864
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: winning comfortably. Right now, fifty to the vote, we're nearing

865
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: about four hundred votes that are in. Lorenzo Carter is

866
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: second to b W Web Corey Coleman are both tied

867
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: at eleven percent. So if you have an opportunity to

868
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: continue to vote, we'll give you the final tally as

869
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: we wrap up the program and the meantime, let's head

870
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: back to the lines. Two zero one three. Christian is

871
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: in New York. Christian, Welcome to Big Blue Kick Off Live.

872
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: What do you have for us? Hey, guys, I've called

873
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: earlier about how I'd like to see them get another

874
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: receiver this year. And I'm not saying high in the

875
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: draft or anyone that's very expensive, but um, I think

876
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: they do need another outside threat. And I kind of

877
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: prefer a deep threat because O'Dell isn't kind of really

878
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: like a true deep threat. I mean, he gets a

879
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: step on guys, you know a handful of times in

880
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: the season and catches a deep ball. But I think

881
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: that would force teams to stop doubling Odell. Uh. And

882
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: I know you know you can get the big guy too,

883
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: but I think it would open up those slants again.

884
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: That kind of disappeared this year. What they really need

885
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: is a skyscraping receiver who can bring the back shoulder

886
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: throw back into the playbook. It was one of eli's

887
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: most dangerous weapons, and it had been eliminated from the

888
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: playbook the last couple of years because they did not

889
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: have the kind of receiver who could effectively run that route.

890
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: If they can get one of those, that will help

891
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: a lot, because you're gonna get so many automatic first

892
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: downs on third down opportunities with that back shoulder throw.

893
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: We've seen the evidence over the years when ELI had

894
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: guys who could run the route properly. That's what you

895
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: need more than anything on that receiving corps. Oh and

896
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: I wonder about is that it's weird to me that

897
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: they haven't been able to find anyone that can do

898
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: that is left with. It's just weird to me that,

899
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: you know, because they've signed some tall guys, but they

900
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: haven't they haven't re established that at all. So, you know, Nicks,

901
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: Nicks was great at it, Lexical, Burris was phenomenal at it,

902
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: Victor Cruz was really good at it. Nix was the best,

903
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: you know, even tumor could could could run that one.

904
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: But but you're right. See a couple of things here.

905
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: Number one, the Giants don't have the type of physical

906
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 1: skyscraping long receivers who are really proficient at that type

907
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: of throw, that type of route. Um. I've talked to

908
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: Titoberd about this. The wide receivers coach. They physically, the

909
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 1: receiving corps they have doesn't really favor that kind of route.

910
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: The other reason is that with the tupe of skill

911
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: set that their receivers have in that room, they believe

912
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: their percentage of success is much better by running the slants,

913
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: the crosses, and the stuff that's vertically downfield. They don't

914
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: want Odell Beckham. And this makes sense, by the way,

915
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: if you watch if you got Shepherd or you got

916
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: you got Odell Beckham Jr. Okay, you've got Evan Ingram.

917
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: The last thing in the world you want to do

918
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: with those guys is to throw one of those guys

919
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: a back shoulder throw, because what happens in the back

920
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: shoulder throw is you're limiting the receiver's ability to go

921
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: vertical because remember, now what is he doing. He's going

922
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: to the sideline, He's got a pivot and he's stopping

923
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: his forward momentum because he's catching the ball near the sideline.

924
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a lot of room to operate and

925
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: to try to get yardage after to catch, because as

926
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: he's narrowed in terms of the field he can he

927
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: can run to and be he's now got to stop

928
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: and start it again. So if you're the Giants and

929
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna run Ingram or Beckham or Shephard on those

930
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: kinds of routes, you're actually inhibiting their best value, because

931
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: their best value is to go vertical and to get

932
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: down field and to get yards after the catch and

933
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: to beat guys with their route running ability. So I

934
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: understand it. It's counterproductive to run back shoulder throws with

935
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: those guys. But the Giants need to find somebody who

936
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: is physically capable of running it, who it is not

937
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: counterproductive for it can be supplemental to the guys that

938
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: they currently have. I hope I've explained that to you

939
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: properly so you can get a better picture. Oh definitely, yeah, yeah,

940
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: I mean I understand, you know, with the links span

941
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: and everything, that's really important. But you know something on

942
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: day three, you know, because this is a deep class

943
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: for receivers, uh, so you don't really have to go

944
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: after it too quickly. But another thing I wanted to

945
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 1: bring up that I know this is a touchy top,

946
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: but as far as Landing Collins, I love them. You know,

947
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: he's awesome, But if they're gonna spend big on a safety,

948
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: I'd rather have a guy who can cover, because they're

949
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: gonna end up uh spending big at safety and then

950
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: still having to find two guys that can cover. So man,

951
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 1: I would I would much rather prefer a guy like Amos,

952
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, even though he's not the giant sky already. Well,

953
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to potentially spend money on a guy

954
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: like that, and I'm sure the Bears are gonna have

955
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: their power to keep him because they want to keep

956
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: that defense together. And appreciate the phone call, Christian, thanks

957
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: so much for weighing in. Also, you know they utilize

958
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: the nickel corner as a guy that can cover individuals

959
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: down the field. Michael Thomas, for example, is somebody that

960
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: they've utilized in that role, and that may be something

961
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: that they're going to look to invest a little bit

962
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 1: more depth in gain additional depth at corner third safety

963
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: is opposed to spending big on the two starters. That's

964
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: another way to gain strength in areas that maybe we're

965
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: a showcase last season, so I wouldn't rule that out

966
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 1: as well. Just remember, unfortunately, because of the the lack

967
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: of help at the other safety spot, Collins did have

968
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: to cover a lot more ground that what they would

969
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 1: have liked him to have to do. But Curtis Riley's

970
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: a free agent, as I mentioned, so we don't know

971
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: what his status is going to be. For all we know,

972
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: there could be somebody else new coming in to play

973
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: that position, and that doesn't mean that you have to

974
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: spend big money on that position. It could be a

975
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: rookie they draft Paul. So I mean, right now we're

976
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: operating on the land of the unknown. I understand everybody's

977
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: thinking about voids, but nobody says it goes back to

978
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: what you and I were just talking about moments ago.

979
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: You can address needs in free agency and the draft.

980
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: You can also bring in a safety and free agency

981
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: and you could draft one. There's a variety of different combinations.

982
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 1: The one path philosophy in the National Football League doesn't exist.

983
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: Nobody says you can only go down this path in

984
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: free agency to address your needs. You can utilize both.

985
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 1: And I'm sure the Giants are gonna try to balance,

986
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: but they have to. Yeah, they have to. Most teams

987
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: have to do that. You can't go on a spending spree,

988
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: if we learned anything, because then all of a sudden,

989
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna put yourself in and pre carry a salary

990
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: cap spot Moving forward, Charlie is in Portland, Maine as

991
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: we have our turning point on the program. Charlie, Hey, guys,

992
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: I got the perfect I got the perfect wide receive

993
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: it for you about ten years ago. Yeah, Anthony Dudley,

994
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 1: bring him new regime, given him an opportunity. Big guy

995
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: can catch the back shoulder and inexpensive. I'll tell you.

996
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Charlie. Honestly, there's a guy out

997
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: there Carolina's funus. He's from what I understand, you know.

998
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: You look, his contract is up and it seems by

999
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: the Panthers media that he will not be coming back

1000
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: to Carolina. That's exactly the kind of guy who would

1001
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: fit the bill for what I would be looking for. Yeah, yeah,

1002
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: he's he's a good prospect too. Hey, have a couple

1003
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: other things I just wanted to talk about. You know,

1004
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Lance. We're talking about the draft

1005
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: and free agencies first, and our free agents are first.

1006
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: We can sign those guys right now, right We can

1007
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: sign these guys, and we should sign these guys before

1008
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: free agency starts. The guys that we want to keep,

1009
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: we should be signing right now. So hopefully by March thirteenth,

1010
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: we will have all the guys that we've got on

1011
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: our free agency on our team signed sealed. So when

1012
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: you know when you have those guys, then you've got

1013
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: a good idea. Okay, we've got Halapio back. We've got

1014
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 1: this guy back. So now we know we're looking for

1015
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: this or we don't sign Riley, he's gone. So we

1016
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: know we need a free free safety, which we need

1017
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: a free safety anyway. But the Giants always do this.

1018
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: This guy was a cornerback. We're always trying to turn

1019
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: somebody into another position that they can't play. This guy

1020
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: might be okay as a backup or the back, but

1021
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: we'll never know now because we've probably ruined his career

1022
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: for safety. But nobody's saying that the Giants can't bring

1023
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: him back in that can pacity. If that's where you're going, Yeah,

1024
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: well I would least try him as what he should

1025
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: be playing, right And and I get a question too,

1026
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: how about these these players from the Alliance Football League

1027
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: one of the what is their season ends June or May,

1028
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a bunch of guys there. Well, they're

1029
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: allowed in the structure of the a F. And Bill Polian,

1030
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: who's the co founder of league, I've done work with

1031
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: him at Serious x M NFL Radio and he has

1032
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: said that, and this has been well documented. They're not

1033
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: going to prevent anybody from going to the NFL. So

1034
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: guys have every right to sign with NFL teams even

1035
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: as the season is being played. They have the freedom

1036
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: and flexibility and move. The only thing that is not

1037
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 1: going to be in existence is there's not gonna be

1038
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: two way contracts. You know that exists with the G

1039
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: League and the NBA, Charlie, where you could go up

1040
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: to the Knicks and then all of a sudden you

1041
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: go back down and you're still property of the Knicks

1042
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: that they're not doing anything. Once you join an NFL team,

1043
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: you can't then all of a sudden go back to

1044
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: the existing a F team. You'd have to be resigned.

1045
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: But if they want to sign with NFL teams, they're

1046
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: not going to prevent any of their players are doing that.

1047
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: There is freedom, Hey, there's some there's some ex giant

1048
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: players who are playing for a lot of them. There's

1049
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: a lot of players across the boarder Will Hill. Will Hill,

1050
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: he's the best safety that we've had, and we haven't

1051
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: gotten a free safety sense he left. And if the

1052
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: guy's clean, because they're probably testing him every day in

1053
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: the Alliance, well I would think if they're not, you're

1054
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: at least testing them in your mind. So yes, well

1055
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Charlie. There's nothing wrong with looking

1056
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: at the talent there, and I'm sure a lot of

1057
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: teams is gonna bring in those players with you there,

1058
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: there was no bigger fan that I was of Will

1059
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 1: Hill's ability. You remember he was my dark horse sleeper

1060
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: to make the team that year. I absolutely love the

1061
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: guy's ability on the field, but you know, he far

1062
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: far exceeded the chances that they were willing to give,

1063
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 1: and they gave him multiple chances. Okay, gave him multiple

1064
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: Alliance football goes a little related to the NFL. There's

1065
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: a little uh you know, synchronicity with that league. So

1066
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: they're giving him another chance. So to me, that's saying

1067
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: if they're giving him a chance, then the NFL is

1068
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: probably going to give him another chance. Rather than do that,

1069
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: you're better off trying to scout for safety in the

1070
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,479
Speaker 1: draft than to go back and revisit Will Hill. Trust

1071
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: me when I tell you that. Well, and Charlie listen,

1072
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna let you go because I want to get

1073
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: to a few of the colors. You got it, and

1074
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: thanks for waying in. But Will Hill did get another chance.

1075
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: He went to Baltimore. People forget about that. After the Giants.

1076
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: The Ravens brought him in and he was there for

1077
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: a short period of time. He's on the other side

1078
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: of thirty now, isn't he. I believe so. I mean,

1079
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: remember he had issues going back to his college days. Two.

1080
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: I want to say he might be as much as

1081
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: thirty two years old. Let's see Will Hill age wise. No,

1082
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: actually he's younger than we thought. Old. Just seems like

1083
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: his stories well, because he's been up and down and

1084
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: all around the league. Yeah, he was with the Ravens

1085
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: fourteen to fifteen. That was right after the Giants. His

1086
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: tenure was with them from twelve and thirteen. No one,

1087
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: because the question is production on the field. Yes, he

1088
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: was a very valued player, but when you cross the

1089
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: line too many times, you know, even a cat only

1090
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: has nine lives, correct. Yeah, that's the old story. And

1091
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that the Giants didn't give

1092
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: him ample opportunities and they even helped him off the

1093
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: fields to get him on. Yeah. I will simply tell

1094
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: you he was a guy who they put a lot into.

1095
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: The investment was heavy. Yeah, to get him straight real quickly.

1096
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: Before we get to another phone call, just on the

1097
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: safety topic, Charlie brought up the point that you know

1098
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: it's dangerous to try to convert guys from one position

1099
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: to another. First of all, what have we seen a

1100
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: trend in the NFL pall and this is the opposite.

1101
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: This is later on in their careers. Charles Woodson, who

1102
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: didn't play safety right to get a few more years

1103
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: out of his career, he all of started starts playing

1104
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: new possession. He was a corner his entire career. So

1105
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that moving from safety to

1106
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: corner is something that's impossible. It's just a matter of

1107
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: you seeing the potential in the layer and coaching him up,

1108
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: and this was his first year. It's not to say

1109
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: that it can't be done. I disagree with that. You

1110
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: just have to make sure that you're putting that player

1111
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: in a comfortable position. Well. By the way, Ronnie Lott

1112
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: was a corner when he came in, and he became

1113
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: a pretty good saying well, there's another good example. Well,

1114
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: there's plenty of other guys sit here. It's over right.

1115
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: It's not a horrible Thangelo Hall D'Angelo Hall is another gigs.

1116
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: It can work. It can can't be done. The lines, Yep,

1117
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: we got Antonio Manhattan, Antonio, what's on your mind? Hey,

1118
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: what's going on? Guys? I just want to talk a

1119
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: little bit about the draft. Um, but I do want

1120
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: to point out with the Bachel's throw with Paul Paul

1121
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: in your opinion, who you think it's the best quarterback

1122
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: to why we see a tandem right now in the

1123
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: NFL with bachels throws right now? Yeah, wow, wow, right now,

1124
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: Brady does a real good job of throwing it. It's Roger. Oh,

1125
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: that's a that's a real good one. That's a real

1126
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: good one. I wanted to point out with that, and

1127
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: Davante Adams is only six months he's not tall at all. Yeah,

1128
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: But see, part of it is this the scheme and

1129
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: the skill set of the play. And that's I was

1130
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: going to say. I think it's scheme more than anything,

1131
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: and I just think that's not in the Giants play. Well,

1132
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: I get that route, yeah, but I explain that to

1133
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: you earlier because they believe that the players they have

1134
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: are better utilized in other areas. I mean, that's part

1135
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: of it. That's part of as far as I can know.

1136
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: With the back shoulder throw, it's more about a timing play.

1137
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: It's hate. If you reach the thirteen sixteen yard line

1138
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: and you're not burning the guy, I'm gonna throw it

1139
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: behind you. But if you already burned the guy past him,

1140
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw it over you. And I think that's

1141
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: how they work that play. I'm not the back shoulder throw.

1142
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: You need a receiver who's going to be physical and

1143
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: strong enough that if the dB does try to come

1144
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: and close on it, he's going to be able to

1145
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: outfight him and out box him of the ball like

1146
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: a power forward with a rebound in the NBA. Okay,

1147
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: and the Giants receivers are not that style of receiver.

1148
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: They're just not you know. So there I do agree

1149
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: with you. There I do, I do do do think

1150
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: we do need a different type of We need a

1151
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: possession receiver because we do have all these guys who

1152
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: fit the same multi five and five eleven ish Um,

1153
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: you know, and and coleman Um, certain Shepherds to a

1154
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: certain degree, and Odell Beckham Jr. These guys are deep threats. Um.

1155
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: I do think that certain Shepherds should play more in

1156
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: the slot than the outside. Absolute very good route runner.

1157
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: So I would want to see him in the slot,

1158
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: and I would and I agree with you nine and

1159
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: seven to the bachelor throws, but just to give a

1160
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,439
Speaker 1: different look to the opposing teams, I want to see

1161
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: that possession receiver six three six four type of guy.

1162
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: You know, just you know how many times Eli converted

1163
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,439
Speaker 1: first sounds with that back shoulder throw, and he had

1164
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: the burrus Is and the and the Knickses and the cruises,

1165
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: thinking how many times it was effective. It was a

1166
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: gimming well. But the possession receiver doesn't have to be

1167
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: a certain height. A possession receivers a guy that's going

1168
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: to consistently move the chains, so Shepherd and Beckham can

1169
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: be possession receivers. It's just no matter how do you

1170
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: utilize waste, they're not. You don't want to. You don't

1171
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: want to, don't want If I throw a ten yard

1172
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: pass to Shepherd, I can be effective and utilize. It's

1173
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: not what you want to do that. I don't see

1174
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: how that's not. It's not it's not the slots and

1175
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: he runs and he runs out doesn't mean he's a

1176
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: possession recreer. But what I'm saying is that it depends

1177
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: on how you view the definition of a possession receiver.

1178
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: I utilize a possession receivers a guy that's consistently moving

1179
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: the chains. I'm not thinking height. I'm just thinking of

1180
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: a guy that's reliable enough I get him the ball,

1181
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a first down. That's how I look

1182
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: I think about a guy who takes hits up the

1183
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: grass ball. It takes hits um, it's not afraid to

1184
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: get in contact with lineback. That's just what I think.

1185
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: A possession receiver is not going to do much in

1186
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: the way of yards after catch or is not his specialty.

1187
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: That's what a possession receiver is. But what I'm saying

1188
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: is you can or as a possession receiver. It just

1189
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: once again, it's all about the utilization that it's not

1190
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: usually what I would argue anyway. Well, just one of

1191
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: sens Base two. I think that you know, a lot

1192
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: of people are getting out of hand with his draft

1193
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: and free agent stuff. In my opinion, the Giants are

1194
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: still another year away from being contenders. You know, I

1195
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: love Jerry Reese. I love earning your currency. Um. They

1196
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: gave us two rings, um. But unfortunately, especially with Jerry Reese,

1197
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: the draft and free agency to didn't pan out. This

1198
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: team is really sunk right now, and I just think

1199
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: we need to get him. And he's done a great

1200
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: job of you know, changing the roster up. Still think

1201
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: he needs one more year. His draft class last year

1202
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: was really good. But we need help on defense on end.

1203
01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: We need a linebacker and we need a safety, and

1204
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: we even needed a corner. I just don't think that

1205
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: so many gaps are going to be a top of that.

1206
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: You know, we by that scene. If we're not, I

1207
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: don't think we're gonna come pretend next year. So we

1208
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: need a quarterback, you know, not next year. But the

1209
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: year after. So I just think it's a lot of

1210
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: holes right now that this team has um. And I think, again,

1211
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: the way you win in this league is having a

1212
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: really cheap quarterback and a really good team around it,

1213
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: or a really expensive quarterback and a really cheap team

1214
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: around him with some upcoming talent. And I just don't

1215
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: think I don't see that happening next year at all

1216
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: for the Giants. And just I want to hear your

1217
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: opinion on that, guys, and I'll take a song. I

1218
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. Well, you need depth in this league.

1219
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's a rule of thumb that

1220
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: you need a cheap quarterback. You just need depth. And

1221
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: the way you get depth is through the draft. So

1222
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: that's the big key is that the Giants have to

1223
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: continue to bring in young players that are going to

1224
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: produce and are not going to be projects that you're

1225
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: waiting two to three years to really hit their stride.

1226
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: They've got to come in and year one and make

1227
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: a significant pack. That to me is the way that

1228
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: you overcome that. And also you find some of those

1229
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: unsung heroes in free agency, coach them up and they

1230
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: become productive players. You know, new England is not full

1231
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: of superstars. And I understand New England is a unique

1232
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: organization because they win more so often than anybody else.

1233
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: But if you look at their roster, they're not going

1234
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: out on spending sprees every year. And you can tell

1235
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,919
Speaker 1: me all you want about Tom Brady's contract, but they've

1236
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: got offensive lineman who were undrafted players who are coached up.

1237
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: They've found some gems in the draft, and they also

1238
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: have taken chances in free agency. And it's added up

1239
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 1: so it can be done. And the Rams, though, on

1240
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: the flip side, Paul, the Rams went out on a

1241
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: spending spree a little bit. You know, they brought in

1242
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: some of those big name free agents. They brought in

1243
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: the and Dominican sues. They just gave Aaron Donald the

1244
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: contract they acquire to keep to leave. They acquired Marcus Peters.

1245
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: So you know, actually, I think we had two teams

1246
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: that met in the Super Bowl that sort of are

1247
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: on opposite ends of the spectrum because one's got the quarterback,

1248
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: but when with the flashiness and free agency and then

1249
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: the other team went with a quieter approach. Patriots of

1250
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: the outlier, though, I don't think you should mention the

1251
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: Patriots in your conversation or in your reasoning, because they're

1252
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: totally unique. They're different than any other franchise and organization

1253
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: in the current day NFL. So don't ever use them

1254
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: in an argument because it doesn't help. They're they're they're separate. There,

1255
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: it's the Patriots and then there's everybody else. And I mean,

1256
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: that's just the way it is. They have such a

1257
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: unique situation with the coach, with the quarterback, with the

1258
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: way they manage the money, with the way people always

1259
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: want to go and play there, with the way the

1260
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: division is habitually the one of the weakest divisions in football.

1261
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: That they get they get the easy ticket to the

1262
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: playoffs every year. It's it's just the way it is.

1263
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: You can't talk about the Patriots when you try to

1264
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: rationalize how teams are supposed to go about their business.

1265
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: You just can't do it. But but here's what I

1266
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: will say. This is a fortuitous thing for the Giants.

1267
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: They badly need defensive help. They need it at every

1268
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: level of the d defense. This draft has a lot

1269
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: of defensive help. That's good. So the only thing I

1270
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: would say to that call, if you think they're further

1271
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: away than maybe some other people do. Is that at

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Speaker 1: least they may be able to get a plethora of

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Speaker 1: guys who can help them immediately at the weakest point

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Speaker 1: of their team, and that is defense. That's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: There are times you go into a draft, where you

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Speaker 1: go into off off season free agency and there's nobody

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Speaker 1: to help at the areas that you are gushing blood. Well,

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Speaker 1: those are not good years for organizations because they pretty

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Speaker 1: much no going into the off season, We're not going

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Speaker 1: to get the help that we need. The band aids

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Speaker 1: are not available. Well, there are plenty of reinforcements available

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Speaker 1: at the Giant's weakest spots. Feel good about that. The

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Speaker 1: Saints would be the example that I would bring up,

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees getting paid a lot of money. They've drafted

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Speaker 1: well on defense in the last few years and that's

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Speaker 1: been reason why they've made playoffs. That kids an example

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Speaker 1: of hey, you're paying your quarterback big money, but hasn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily taken away from the overall success of the squad.

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Speaker 1: That is gonna wrap things up for us here on

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Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live, just real quickly. The final tally,

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Speaker 1: Michael Thomas received fortyent to the vote, so he wins

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Speaker 1: our poll question of which Giant wins best Supporting role Player,

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Speaker 1: and that is the player that I voted for as well.

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Speaker 1: I think he proved to be extremely valuable. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, throw Philip Rivers and the Chargers in there too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Philips making a lot of money and they drafted well,

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Speaker 1: they reinforced their offensive line and all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: they were a contemner. Joey Boson, Melvin Ingram help on

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Speaker 1: the defensive line as well in terms of drafting them. Reminder,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have Big Blue Kickoff Live tomorrow. It'll be

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Speaker 1: Jeff Eagles and I but it's not gonna be live.

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna be taking phone calls. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a special edition previewing the combine, will have a few interviews.

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Speaker 1: It will be up immediately on Giants dot Com by

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Speaker 1: mid afternoon, so stay locked to that just to give

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Speaker 1: your heads up. And then Paul and John will be

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Speaker 1: starting to broadcast live from Indianapolis on Wednesday with a

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Speaker 1: special two hour edition at Blue kickoff live for all

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