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Speaker 2: All right, as is customary. It's Sunday night, John middle Coffin.
Speaker 2: I chop it up for about an hour, mostly things NFL.
Speaker 2: I will say is I was in Chicago over the weekend,
Speaker 2: my favorite, really really downtown area in North America. There's
Speaker 2: other cities I like. But I was dancing at midnight
Speaker 2: with my wife last night, so you know, if i'm
Speaker 2: a little if I'm a little uneven today we tied
Speaker 2: one on last night.
Speaker 1: It was good.
Speaker 2: I slept on the plane and got by the way
Speaker 2: American Airlines. I'll say it again. I flew it again, John,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have I'm going to have an Marolina Fair.
Speaker 2: I was a Delta guy forever, Third flight American. What
Speaker 2: do you fly by the way.
Speaker 1: Well, the West Coast I usually go Southwest, but it
Speaker 1: go across country, usually American or United. But you know,
Speaker 1: from Scottsdale to Sacramento to the Bay Area to southern
Speaker 1: the Southwest, it's just a couple hundred bucks in and out.
Speaker 1: You hop on the plane go. You're not there long.
Speaker 1: I never check a bag. I also tied one on.
Speaker 1: But it started in the day I went to the
Speaker 1: Dodger game. You talk about I mean, Colin, I heard
Speaker 1: you mentioned this the other day. You go to a
Speaker 1: Dodger game. Otani didn't even play. I mean, they are
Speaker 1: an all star team. There had to be twenty thousand
Speaker 1: people there. You're waiting twenty five minutes for margarita. The
Speaker 1: vibes at spring training, for these teams, especially the Dodgers,
Speaker 1: it's a remarkable experience. It was fun. Now the guys,
Speaker 1: you know, Mookie Bets and those guys come out after
Speaker 1: five or six innings. But talk about a guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: they got Otani who pitches and hits, Mookie Bets plays
Speaker 1: second shortstop and all the outfield positions.
Speaker 2: And then there's Freddy Freeman. And I looked at their
Speaker 2: real good Yeah, I looked there at their lineup. I
Speaker 2: think yesterday their spring lineup, and I listened to the
Speaker 2: Dodgers here here in Southern California radio, and I was
Speaker 2: I had a guest on recently we talked about that.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it helps baseball, but just in
Speaker 2: terms of lineup, it's got a nineteen seventy five Cincinnati
Speaker 2: Reds when it was Rose Morgan, Foster, Johnny Bench, Tony Peresling.
Speaker 2: There's just all stars everywhere. Now it all comes down,
Speaker 2: as you know in baseball, it all comes down to
Speaker 2: the healthier staff. If your stiff staff can't get out,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter how many guys position players are great.
Speaker 2: But no, I had a guy in my staff, Greg Towhey,
Speaker 2: big big baseball fan, his kids played baseball. He said
Speaker 2: he went to a Podres game. Potres have an all
Speaker 2: star team, they got big names. Walked right in Dodgers.
Speaker 2: Minute he came in to sitting down was like a
Speaker 2: forty five minute experience.
Speaker 1: Crazy, was an absolute zoo. It felt like now they
Speaker 1: share with the White Sox and you can go with
Speaker 1: spring training and watch people practice. I mean they got
Speaker 1: eighteen fields out there. It fell out like fifty thousand
Speaker 1: people in the parking lot like an SEC football game
Speaker 1: or something. It was. It was quite the exc I
Speaker 1: went to a Dodger game last year and it felt
Speaker 1: I would say, two three x the buzz, you know,
Speaker 1: just the vibes. Otani didn't even play, and you never
Speaker 1: know in spring when a guy's gonna play or not,
Speaker 1: so you just kind of show up hoping a lot
Speaker 1: of Tani jerseys. I mean, you talk about that guy
Speaker 1: moves the needle. Listen football. You see all the money
Speaker 1: flowing in this sport. Every team has it. In baseball,
Speaker 1: obviously there's the haves and the have nots. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: grew up a big Giants guy. I'm supposed to hate
Speaker 1: these guys. They are a well run operation right now.
Speaker 2: The Dodgers, well, think about this too. They average seven
Speaker 2: The Dodgers averaged seven thousand more people per game than
Speaker 2: any other team. And they're not charging Cincinnati Red prices
Speaker 2: for beer. I go to a Dodger game every year
Speaker 2: it is and again it is the base.
Speaker 1: Dollars for margarita yesterday. What am I gonna do? Not pay?
Speaker 1: I want to I want a cocktail.
Speaker 2: They are They're just a bank and then they push
Speaker 2: all this money down the road. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: they've they've kind of done the ultimate. It's like moneyball,
Speaker 2: but with real money, like it moneyball. They've kind of
Speaker 2: figured out how to work the system. So let's let's
Speaker 2: start with this. So mac Jones only goes for a
Speaker 2: six round pick, So first of all, it's it's seventy
Speaker 2: five percent of first round quarterbacks don't make it very rarely.
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold got a second team to start for justin Fields.
Speaker 2: May you know Mac Jones isn't I thought it was
Speaker 2: a little low. If Trey Lance goes for a four
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure he can play at all? I
Speaker 2: kept thinking to myself. So Mac Jones was a high
Speaker 2: school All American quarterback, college All American quarterback and Rookie of
Speaker 2: the Year is first year, how much of it is
Speaker 2: the dude can't play? And how much of it is
Speaker 2: this was a bad spot with a coach that appeared
Speaker 2: to be tone deaf to offense and a little bit
Speaker 2: of a grudge holder. Do you think he can play
Speaker 2: at all?
Speaker 1: Well? I was never a fan, and that goes back
Speaker 1: to when the four in terms of drafting him really high,
Speaker 1: because when you draft a guy in the top fifteen,
Speaker 1: you got to pay him a decent amount of money.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of variables of this, and first off,
Speaker 1: I like this deal for the Jags six round pick
Speaker 1: for a backup quarterback. It makes two and a half
Speaker 1: million dollars. He got traded for less than Trey Lance, though,
Speaker 1: and he's accomplished way more than Trey Lance as a
Speaker 1: full time starter in the league. Because his contract, right,
Speaker 1: he's they're not gonna pick up his fifth year option,
Speaker 1: which is going to be well over twenty million dollars,
Speaker 1: So you're basically just trading for one year of his
Speaker 1: services and then you never know, maybe Trevor Lawrence gets
Speaker 1: hurt and he's good and you get, you know, strike oil.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this today though, Colin, and this
Speaker 1: is why I'm a big believer when you draft guys
Speaker 1: really high. There is no such thing as a high floor.
Speaker 1: It doesn't exist. Right, Like this guy, he's gonna be
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, or maybe he's just not gonna be that good. Right.
Speaker 1: It's why I had no problem taking big swings on
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson and Trey Lance because the likelihood of the
Speaker 1: guy you're trying to hit a home run no matter
Speaker 1: what at best Mac Jones was always going to be
Speaker 1: a stand up double, maybe rounding second looking at third,
Speaker 1: but he was never even gonna be a triple. His
Speaker 1: best case scenario is going to be a friend top
Speaker 1: ten quarterback, and that's if everything went perfectly. And I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just I think it's very telling that
Speaker 1: girod Meo is a former player, spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time around Tom Brady has been there. This whole Mac
Speaker 1: Jones experience, It's clear, like I don't want this guy around.
Speaker 1: Let's face it. Part of mac Jones was, Okay, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be like Cousins or Jared Goff. What do those
Speaker 1: guys have in space character focus? This guy was kind
Speaker 1: of viewed pretty immature right that That to me was
Speaker 1: a huge red flag that I didn't quite see coming.
Speaker 1: But that came to rust really quick with some of
Speaker 1: his like come on, Mack, let's let's get it together.
Speaker 2: But well, I mean, listen, Jay Cutler was really gifted
Speaker 2: and he wore people out. I mean, Jay's the best
Speaker 2: Bear quarterback in a long time in J one games.
Speaker 2: But at the end, people just didn't like Jay Cutler.
Speaker 2: They were just they just I mean, Aaron Rodgers. Green
Speaker 2: Bay said, yeah, hit the road. I mean that's essentially
Speaker 2: what Green Bay did at the end. So if you
Speaker 2: don't have Jay Cutler or Aaron Rodgers gifts and you
Speaker 2: are just I mean, you can go back and look
Speaker 2: at his first year. Listen, he is a kid that
Speaker 2: played sort of in a pro offense down in Alabama
Speaker 2: with really good people, where so you can argue Obama
Speaker 2: had better players than offensively at least skill position players
Speaker 2: than New England. I don't even think that's that's not
Speaker 2: even ll He's.
Speaker 1: Played with four wide receivers. He got drafted the top fifteen,
Speaker 1: so and.
Speaker 2: I think what happens is but his personality. People put
Speaker 2: up with a lot of shit. If you're gifted, it
Speaker 2: could be our business, it could be the NFL. If
Speaker 2: you're not gifted, you got to be most That's why
Speaker 2: most of these quarterbacks are good guys, because this league
Speaker 2: just doesn't This is not the NBA. There's no nine
Speaker 2: year contracts like baseball, and in the NBA, where marginal
Speaker 2: guys have no cut deals, you just you seea hit
Speaker 2: the road if you're not a stand up guy. And
Speaker 2: I think Mac came with a reputation that he was
Speaker 2: a bit of a brand. I was told by somebody
Speaker 2: I trust. I was told this last year, and this
Speaker 2: is somebody that is a great source. He said, you
Speaker 2: couldn't coach him hard. You just couldn't coach him hard.
Speaker 2: Brady got annoyed with it after about fifteen twenty years
Speaker 2: of it. But you could coach him hard like Mack,
Speaker 2: you couldn't. He pouted, petty, and there was just you know,
Speaker 2: he just that's what I heard. And when I heard that,
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, that's the wrong culture. That's all they
Speaker 2: do in New England. But he came from that in Alabama.
Speaker 2: It's not like Nick Saban was holding his hand right.
Speaker 2: So I think Bill always felt comfortable drafting an urban guy,
Speaker 2: drafting a Saban guy, because those coaches were in their players,
Speaker 2: you know, in their face twenty four to seven, three
Speaker 2: sixty five. And it turns out, listen, we can make
Speaker 2: excuses for Mac a couple of years ago with the
Speaker 2: Patricia Joe Judge embarrassment and it was but last year
Speaker 2: he had Bill O'Brien and he constantly was throwing the
Speaker 2: ball to the other team. In confidence is a powerful
Speaker 2: thing for any young person. Yeah, he clearly lost it.
Speaker 2: But like you said, Jay Cutler and Aaron Rodgers throw
Speaker 2: a better ball at their left hand.
Speaker 1: He doesn't. He doesn't have a very good on I'd say, historically,
Speaker 1: a guy with his physical attributes average athlete at best,
Speaker 1: very average arm forever, just because you played it a
Speaker 1: big time program, A lot of people those type quarterbacks
Speaker 1: typically didn't get drafted that high. I think he's a
Speaker 1: third or fourth round quarterback in the history of the draft.
Speaker 1: But these last what do you think five to six?
Speaker 1: The quarterback inflation, And let's face it, Bill was really desperate.
Speaker 1: He had no backup plan. Hell, even when Tom left,
Speaker 1: he had to sign Cam in the summer. So Mack
Speaker 1: did he truly want mac or did he just need
Speaker 1: a quarterback? And three years later the other thing, And
Speaker 1: we talked about this a lot. The clock in football
Speaker 1: now is rapid. This is not I'm giving you four
Speaker 1: or five years second later, buddy, Thanksgiving second year.
Speaker 2: I've been told by Thanksgiving by the second year, so
Speaker 2: you've got about if you started your first year, you
Speaker 2: get about twenty six starts. You're around there. People are
Speaker 2: making decisions upstairs, they're raising their hand or that's why
Speaker 2: the Daniel Jones. Thing is a mystery because I think
Speaker 2: one person raised their hand and it was the owner.
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody else in the room wanted it.
Speaker 1: Well, it's why that, you know, the Steelers get talked
Speaker 1: about right now should they be Obviously they meeting with
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, who maybe they're a sleeper to sniff around
Speaker 1: on Kirk Cousins. It's insane, like they already kind of
Speaker 1: know what Kenny Pickett has in the bag and it's
Speaker 1: not great. And mac Jones is worse than that because
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett at least can move, yes, right, Brock Purdy
Speaker 1: can move like you gotta be able. And that's why
Speaker 1: I was like adamant Kyle Shanahan, you cannot draft this
Speaker 1: guy high because his the root the margin for error
Speaker 1: with him, like the margin for err with the physically
Speaker 1: gifted guys. Even Jalen hurts like he can play bad
Speaker 1: and its still his numbers look pretty good because physically
Speaker 1: he's pretty gifted. Could throw the ball, he throws a
Speaker 1: beautiful deep ball, can run the Herberts like mac Jones
Speaker 1: had never sniffed those guys physical attributes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he you know, people have rolled their eyes. You know,
Speaker 2: at the Tom Brady footage, Dad bod but at least
Speaker 2: Brady was in looked like he was in shape. They're
Speaker 2: pictures of mac Jones. He just looks pudgy and dowe
Speaker 2: and soft.
Speaker 1: It's bad. By the way, we'll.
Speaker 2: Touch on this easy pivot here to deflate Gate. So
Speaker 2: I'm through eight episodes, so you know, it's obviously leans
Speaker 2: more Craft family than it does Belichick, who you know. Listen,
Speaker 2: Bill ticked off a lot of people over the years,
Speaker 2: There's no question about that, and there's a price to
Speaker 2: pay for it. But the one thing I came out
Speaker 2: after watching episode eight, if Mahomes had a defensive coach
Speaker 2: who almost felt like he was had a grudge once Garoppolo,
Speaker 2: once Craft stepped in, Remember Tom went to Kraft and
Speaker 2: said get Jimmy g out of here. It almost felt
Speaker 2: like the relationship changed. Bill was pissed at Tom resented it.
Speaker 2: You know, you can see Bill like the old parcels
Speaker 2: I'm cooking the dinner. I want to have the groceries,
Speaker 2: and mostly Bill did. But that was the one time
Speaker 2: Craft stepped in and said, no, get him out. Even
Speaker 2: though Brady won the Super Bowl in Atlanta, it was
Speaker 2: almost a hostility toward Brady, And you know, I was
Speaker 2: thinking Mahomes is more gifted. But if you gave Mahomes
Speaker 2: a defensive coach that didn't know anything, didn't know the language,
Speaker 2: especially early in his career, I don't know. I think
Speaker 2: my takeaway after episode eight is Tom's resilience is remarkable.
Speaker 2: He got the verbal shit kicked out of him for
Speaker 2: twenty years, and at the end, because of the Garoppolo
Speaker 2: move is by hunch. Bill was just not nice to him,
Speaker 2: Like all those rings and all that money and that
Speaker 2: legacy and you're not getting that with ninety nine percent.
Speaker 1: Of the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Is that I thought to myself, Christ, if I had
Speaker 2: a boss like that, I wouldn't last twenty years. I
Speaker 2: just it's bad.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're natural, and I've defended Bill through
Speaker 1: the last couple months of him not getting a job,
Speaker 1: which I still think is insanity. But if you're a
Speaker 1: natural curmudgeon, angrier, negative guy, as you get older, you
Speaker 1: usually don't get happier. I also think listen society and
Speaker 1: the world we live in when it comes to sports.
Speaker 1: Because of the money the power of the superstar has,
Speaker 1: football is never going to quite be the NBA. But
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts talks to Howie Roseman, Patrick Mahomes, text with
Speaker 1: Veach and Andy all the time. And I'm not talking
Speaker 1: during the sea I'm talking in the offseason. You know.
Speaker 1: One of the big parts of ty Dunn's article was like, God, Sean,
Speaker 1: you need to work a little more with Josh Allen. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: this is could you want to Why wouldn't you want
Speaker 1: some of their opinions and be on the same page
Speaker 1: as them. You go as they go. So I think
Speaker 1: that's at the forefront of kind of the world we're
Speaker 1: in right now with quarterbacks in their front office. You
Speaker 1: want to be tied at the hip and be I
Speaker 1: would say, just your relationship is much more unique than
Speaker 1: all the other players who still have the old school
Speaker 1: a little bit of a widget like if you're not playing,
Speaker 1: we'll get rid of you, we can replace you. You know,
Speaker 1: beside what fifty players in the NFL, the Aaron Donalds,
Speaker 1: the Trent Williams, But they're few and four between. Most
Speaker 1: guys I've been in these meetings, you're constantly talking, can
Speaker 1: we upgrade here? Is this guy worth the money? Can
Speaker 1: we draft a guy in the second round to get
Speaker 1: ninety percent of the value, and in three years he's
Speaker 1: way cheaper. But the quarterback is not that spot. It's
Speaker 1: why you see, you know, Baker Mayfield get a lot
Speaker 1: of money because what else are they gonna do. Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousin's gonna get a ton of money that position. You know, Bill,
Speaker 1: he became a star right in the eighties. I mean
Speaker 1: you I don't remember it, but obviously his game plans
Speaker 1: against Bill Walsh. It was a different time. I mean,
Speaker 1: Bill Walsh was always trying to get rid of Joe Montana,
Speaker 1: Bill Parcells, you know, him and Phil Simms were discreaming
Speaker 1: at each other constantly that the quarterback was viewed as
Speaker 1: an equal. Even with Montana. It's like, well, next man
Speaker 1: up his back, go Steve, you're in. And it's just
Speaker 1: and that was kind of the world he grew up
Speaker 1: on where I think Andy was right at that time
Speaker 1: in the nineties. The power of FARV I think just
Speaker 1: looks at it a lot differently. Yes, And that's why
Speaker 1: you think, and you've been saying this for the transition
Speaker 1: of this timing for him, it's just it's the ultimate,
Speaker 1: it's perfect right. He's made for this era of foot,
Speaker 1: he's why he's kicking everybody's ass.
Speaker 2: No, he really is the you know, and the dynasty is.
Speaker 1: The other thing.
Speaker 2: My takeaway is that, holy shit, the most unforgotten play
Speaker 2: in the history of Super Bowls. People just forget about
Speaker 2: this because of the Malcolm Butler interception. People forget that
Speaker 2: Seattle was dead. Russell Wilson throws it up the right sideline,
Speaker 2: the announcers.
Speaker 1: Ounce off the guy's leg and it's like the greasy
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, it really is.
Speaker 2: It's almost the equal to Edelman's catch, but Edelman's catches
Speaker 2: as it should be noteworthy winning team because of Malcolm
Speaker 2: Butler's play moments later, if New England would have lost
Speaker 2: that Super Bowl, they had it done. Seattle was at midfield,
Speaker 2: it was over, it was well defended. So one of
Speaker 2: the things I like about sports documentaries is you forget
Speaker 2: a lot of these stories inside the stories. If they
Speaker 2: talked about how Belichick wouldn't call a time out because
Speaker 2: they were watching Russell Wilson look unorganized on the field
Speaker 2: and Bill's sitting there watching him. He's like, I'm not
Speaker 2: bailing these guys out. I'm just gonna sit here. And
Speaker 2: I had heard that story before, but I will say
Speaker 2: this to people on the flake gate, whether you like
Speaker 2: the Patriots or not, there is there's storytelling, and it's
Speaker 2: fascinating to hear these players talk and that I appreciated.
Speaker 2: All Right, let's let's move to Baker Mayfield. It's three years,
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollar deal, fifty guaranteed. It feels a
Speaker 2: little bit like the Daniel Jones contract, where it's probably
Speaker 2: closer to fifty million to one hundred million. Your thought
Speaker 2: on the fit the contract again, I I don't have
Speaker 2: a pride. Again, this is not the division with Mahomes
Speaker 2: and Herbert. That's not what we're talking about here. I
Speaker 2: think I think it makes sense to me. I think
Speaker 2: he's actually, you know, he's a little bit of a loose,
Speaker 2: a little bit of a he's got a little bit
Speaker 2: of a pirate feel to him, right, like he's he's
Speaker 2: one of those guys that he's got a chip on
Speaker 2: his shoulder.
Speaker 1: I think the fit works. Thoughts when the season ended,
Speaker 1: I would have guessed like three year, sixty million and
Speaker 1: guarantee forty or fifty, so that the guarantee would have
Speaker 1: been similar. But the average, right, you could push back
Speaker 1: and say, the average per year a little overrated. It's
Speaker 1: all about the guarantee for money, and when you factor
Speaker 1: in so many teams, like you're telling me the Raiders
Speaker 1: wouldn't have given him a similar number just to kind
Speaker 1: of get there. You know, an operation like that, get
Speaker 1: a guy you know can function. We were talking about
Speaker 1: this before you hopped on. I think the division plays
Speaker 1: a huge part where you feel good. I was talking
Speaker 1: to Jason Light at the combine. They feel very comfortable
Speaker 1: with Baker. I think Baker, like you said, feels very
Speaker 1: comfortable in their operation. They have a lot of star players, yeah,
Speaker 1: who really like him. That matters, right, Like why do
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers have so much trust in party?
Speaker 1: Obviously he plays well. Their star corps trusts them, likes
Speaker 1: being around them. They value that. Tristan Wurf's win Field,
Speaker 1: Mike Evans, they rally around Baker Mayfield. So that's worth
Speaker 1: You could argue ten twenty percent over what you'd like
Speaker 1: to pay right away. That's right, And this is really
Speaker 1: a worst case scenario. It's a two year deal. Look
Speaker 1: who he's playing. David Tepper is a fantastic stock trader.
Speaker 1: He's a god awful NFL owner right, that operation is
Speaker 1: in shambles. The Saints have Derek Carr, Dennis Allen, and
Speaker 1: we'll see like cousins if he ends up at Atlanta,
Speaker 1: which a lot of people think. He is coming off
Speaker 1: in Achilles with an operation that hasn't really been winning
Speaker 1: in the last six so their players don't even know
Speaker 1: how to win. That's the one thing Jason Light talked about.
Speaker 1: Baker got to come in here with a chip. We
Speaker 1: have a lot of guys who spent the three years
Speaker 1: around Tom, so we have the winning culture here with
Speaker 1: our star guys. Like these guys have been in huge
Speaker 1: games for three years and they just rillied around Baker.
Speaker 1: I think if you watch Baker in the right day
Speaker 1: in the playoff game, awesome. I watched him a lot
Speaker 1: during the year and like, I'm not really seeing it,
Speaker 1: say new offensive coordinator. Now, I get it. Little rich
Speaker 1: for my taste, but totally understandable. What were they gonna do?
Speaker 1: Let them walk. They're drafting in the mid twenties. They
Speaker 1: don't have any other options.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think there is something to be said
Speaker 2: about Baker got you know, a little bit of the
Speaker 2: crap beat out of him by the media in Cleveland.
Speaker 2: And I do think he's matured. I really do. I
Speaker 2: think Baker's grown up, and I think he's one of
Speaker 2: the things I've always said about Baker. He's smart, He's
Speaker 2: great on the whiteboard. He can read a real defense.
Speaker 2: Sam Donald got a second shot right in Carolina. Baker
Speaker 2: Mayfield throws a better ball more consistently than Sam Darnald.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's quite the athlete, doesn't move as well,
Speaker 2: but he moves okay for me. I think to your point,
Speaker 2: the division matters. I mean again, I'm not paying Derek Carr.
Speaker 2: If it's Herbert Harbaugh, Andy Reid Mahomes, I'm really uncomfortable
Speaker 2: paying him a lot in that division. I mean, the
Speaker 2: NFC South has been probably the weakest division in football
Speaker 2: ten in the last twenty years. I mean, it's like
Speaker 2: the SEC. I don't know what it is. Is there
Speaker 2: less revenue to fan care less, are the owners not
Speaker 2: very good. It's just not a very good division. It's
Speaker 2: just you know some of it too, John his passion.
Speaker 2: There have been down years, but the Giants have Super Bowls,
Speaker 2: Washington has super Bowls, the Eagles have super Bowls, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean all these teams, the Cowboys, Egles, that division
Speaker 2: cares his college football is irrelevant in the Northeast outside
Speaker 2: of Akrishan State. I do think in the South, Saturday
Speaker 2: is such a big day that it's just there's not
Speaker 2: if you listen to sports talk radio on a Monday,
Speaker 2: they're not crushing the NFL team there. They're ripping their
Speaker 2: sec head coach and quarterback. And I do think there's
Speaker 2: a you know, it just doesn't feel as big. And
Speaker 2: so that division to me is best quarterback wins it.
Speaker 2: And this morning, this afternoon, Baker's arguably the best quarterback.
Speaker 1: Well. And one thing, if you're Jason Light and Todd Bowles,
Speaker 1: you go, well, Baker sneaky bright light sky right Oklahoma
Speaker 1: three years, excelled a couple of years into Cleveland, played
Speaker 1: really well that one season and won a playoff game.
Speaker 1: So you've seen him have success in the league. And
Speaker 1: then last year had you know, eight to ten really
Speaker 1: good games for you and played well in the playoff
Speaker 1: game against the Eagles. And he wasn't terrible in the
Speaker 1: Lions game by any means. That was kind of an
Speaker 1: ugly game, but made some plays down the stretching. So
Speaker 1: you've now seen him in two playoff games, you clearly
Speaker 1: feel comfortable. You got a year with him studying how
Speaker 1: hard he prepared you just you go from six point
Speaker 1: eight five million dollars though to thirty five. You know,
Speaker 1: do you get the same level of chip on your shoulder?
Speaker 1: Some guys excel, you know, not everyone's Michael Jordan and
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods and Tom Brady. They could have a chip
Speaker 1: on their shoulder till the day they die. Some guys
Speaker 1: ebb and flow with that a little bit. So I
Speaker 1: do think there's gonna be some pressure on Baker next year.
Speaker 1: So everyone was counting him out last year. This year
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna celebrate him. We'll see. I still think Tampa well,
Speaker 1: I guess we'll know with Kirk Cousins in the next
Speaker 1: couple of days. But I'd still give them a very
Speaker 1: very good shot to win that division when you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's a couple other things to talk about.
Speaker 2: First of all, the Broncos traded to Jerry Judy, who
Speaker 2: I always I never Jerry Judy is one of those
Speaker 2: guys Courtland Sutton I think's a little underrated. I think
Speaker 2: Courtland's a really good player, and I also think they
Speaker 2: have a young tight end. I like, they have a back.
Speaker 2: I like, they got to make some moves here. You know,
Speaker 2: they're eating money, so they trade Jerry Judy. They cut
Speaker 2: Justin Simmons. You know, you know, six six months ago,
Speaker 2: everybody was lamenting how we treat running backs. But Seattle
Speaker 2: cut two got rid of two good safeties. Justin Simmons
Speaker 2: for Denver's a really good safety. Nobody wants to pay
Speaker 2: a safety. So I mean, I think you see what
Speaker 2: they're doing here. They're like, listen, we've just we got
Speaker 2: to get we have to get. We have to hit
Speaker 2: on six draft picks. The only way to make that
Speaker 2: whole Russell Wilson thing work. And it can you get
Speaker 2: bo Nicks at twelve, you hit on four to five
Speaker 2: other draft picks, and it is amazing how you mitigate
Speaker 2: cap problems.
Speaker 1: You know, you're look at the Rams last year. They
Speaker 1: had a bunch of cheap talent. It was good. That's
Speaker 1: a great point. They hit on.
Speaker 2: The tackle was great, both their defensive linemen, the edge
Speaker 2: and the kid from Wake Forest to eat tackle was good.
Speaker 2: Outside of the steps and Bennett pick and I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: everything else worked, pukku, everything else. Everybody was productive. So
Speaker 2: if Denver goes out and gets a quarterback who's functional,
Speaker 2: I think Bonix works in their system whether he's great
Speaker 2: or not. No no, no, or a JJ McCarthy. If
Speaker 2: he hits and you have, you know, four other picks
Speaker 2: that play, I think, I don't think it'll hurt him
Speaker 2: for a year. But I don't think it's one of
Speaker 2: these death knells. I think that's what's great about this sport.
Speaker 2: You start accumulating picks. It's a numbers game. You hit
Speaker 2: on six or seven, you get through stuff like this.
Speaker 1: Well, ultimately, if the Yankee sign of three hundred million
Speaker 1: dollar contract and the guy sucks by year two, there
Speaker 1: aren't ramifications because you can keep buying other guys. In football,
Speaker 1: When you sign one hundred and sixty hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed deal like they did with Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: and it's a disaster, there are massive ramifications. There's a
Speaker 1: tidal wave. So it's the trade. When you look at
Speaker 1: the collateral damage of the trade, it's not just the
Speaker 1: pick they gave up to Seattle, which Seattle hit on
Speaker 1: those guys and the players they gave up. You have
Speaker 1: to include all these guys they cut right because they
Speaker 1: had to free some money that they had to be
Speaker 1: able to breathe. So like I listen, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know Sean Payton, but I can't imagine he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to cut the safety. But Jerry Judy probably would
Speaker 1: have been traded no matter what. They cut some guys
Speaker 1: because they have to get money that they need to
Speaker 1: kind of balance everything out. So to me, the Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson contract, you saw the title, what these guys getting
Speaker 1: cut and trader are part of that. The Buffalo Bill
Speaker 1: same thing to a lighter extent. They gave von Miller
Speaker 1: fifty five million dollars. It's a disaster that was. So
Speaker 1: they're cutting all these guys. They're cutting all these guys.
Speaker 1: Well that the ramification of they can't cut von Miller,
Speaker 1: it'd be twenty five million dollars on their salary cap.
Speaker 1: So they got to cut high. They got to cut Poyer,
Speaker 1: they got to cut the center. They just that's part
Speaker 1: of the deal. It's why you know these front offices
Speaker 1: and football is hard because if a guy gets injured.
Speaker 1: But Von Miller was thirty plus years old, I understand
Speaker 1: the Russell Wilson deal at the time, but like they're
Speaker 1: paid to get it right and they got it wrong.
Speaker 1: And let's face it, they wanted Aaron Rodgers. That was
Speaker 1: what they did. And then the moment he went back
Speaker 1: to Green Bay, they were so desperate that they got
Speaker 1: over aggressive to John Schneider when he's sitting in his
Speaker 1: hotel room at the Combine George Payton a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, and he gave him the farm. John Sneyder
Speaker 1: tried to trade Russell Wilson, remember in twenty eighteen. He
Speaker 1: wanted to give him to the Browns to draft Josh
Speaker 1: Allen and Russell said no. So they made a huge
Speaker 1: swing and they also and listen, I understand why they
Speaker 1: did it. They were all in. They didn't have to
Speaker 1: give him a contract. He was under contract when they
Speaker 1: traded for him a couple of years, but they wanted
Speaker 1: to get him up there and they thought he was
Speaker 1: going to be a star, and it backfired. Think about
Speaker 1: epic proportions.
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting. I'm in the tape business, and
Speaker 2: I you know, I have strong opinions, but there are
Speaker 2: times and I always try to I don't ever say
Speaker 2: anything I don't believe, but the Russell, Wilson, Denver Seahawk,
Speaker 2: nobody won, Carol got fired. Hackett was a disaster. Russell
Speaker 2: didn't work. Peyton now is under the gun. Players are
Speaker 2: getting moved. You think to yourself, well.
Speaker 1: Snyder kind of won, didn't he because he got to
Speaker 1: take over Seattle.
Speaker 2: That's there you go. John Snyder won, and he hit
Speaker 2: on those picks. I mean, let's face it, Pete, when
Speaker 2: Paul Allen died, there was this moment in time that
Speaker 2: Pete had too much power in the building and like
Speaker 2: a Belichick, he had too much influence. I was told,
Speaker 2: but two different people in the building. Over the years,
Speaker 2: Pete started kind of taking over the draft. John Snyder
Speaker 2: threatened to go to Detroit, said, there's no what's the
Speaker 2: point they bring him back? He takes control. The drafts
Speaker 2: have been great in Seattle since these coaches, you know,
Speaker 2: they they hate to admit it, but they don't watch
Speaker 2: football on Saturdays. They're not sitting around on Saturdays watching
Speaker 2: these Andy Reid will tell you that I'm I don't
Speaker 2: have time. And so when you all of a sudden
Speaker 2: you want to be a man the GMS, I know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I know, Tom Telesco Brett Veach Saturday, they're
Speaker 2: sitting watching college football for hours. They're going to games.
Speaker 2: You can't ender late on that stuff and go, well,
Speaker 2: here's some film. You gotta watch the games.
Speaker 1: Andy told me at the combine and he's done the
Speaker 1: job head coach GM in Philadelphia, he said, it's not
Speaker 1: possible anymore. There's too much time or there's not enough time.
Speaker 1: You're spending too much time on your own team for
Speaker 1: six months to attempt to catch up, and then when
Speaker 1: you attempt to catch up, you kind of end up.
Speaker 1: Most guys probably cut some cornerstead of watching five games
Speaker 1: on a guy, you got to bang them all out
Speaker 1: in two months, you're watching one or two games. You
Speaker 1: don't get a great feel. If you have confidence in
Speaker 1: a John Schneider, in a Brett Veach, in a less
Speaker 1: need let them do their job. They spend three hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty five days even during the season, and I've
Speaker 1: been in the you know, from Monday through Friday, the
Speaker 1: general manager will spend some time. He go to practice,
Speaker 1: evaluate his own team, watch free agents. He also watches
Speaker 1: draft picks. I'm talking September through December during the week
Speaker 1: right evaluate him like his scouts are doing monneling him.
Speaker 1: So by the time the season ends or you get
Speaker 1: to the playoffs, he's watched probably the top one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty two hundred guys on their draft board and
Speaker 1: has a really good feel for him and has won
Speaker 1: and has evaluated all the reports on their character. He
Speaker 1: knows these guys pretty well. Where the coaches come in
Speaker 1: kind of blind to the combine, meet the kid for
Speaker 1: the first time, like how about this guy, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: this guy can't really play. I know he's a great personality,
Speaker 1: and it kind of gets convoluted that way. So these
Speaker 1: best organizations are able to kind of split it. Or
Speaker 1: even if the coach, if he's making twelve to eighteen
Speaker 1: million dollars, he's the highest paid guy in the organization,
Speaker 1: but he's willing to give, like, hey, we shouldn't do
Speaker 1: this coach, and he listens, and anytime that you're not
Speaker 1: willing to listen, Let's face it happens a lot around
Speaker 1: the league, but Belichick wouldn't listen to anybody. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that that was a huge downfall for him. And he's
Speaker 1: had really excellent personnel guys throughout his career in the building,
Speaker 1: but he just won't listen. How he just will not.
Speaker 2: One of his guys, Nick Cesaria Cazario, Casario, Yeah, New
Speaker 2: England to Houston.
Speaker 1: First draft, he aces, he's rushing. You're rushed it. Okay.
Speaker 2: So let's I thought about this. So you're Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2: You're a star in the Pacific Northwest, but you're kind
Speaker 2: of geographically isolated. Then you're going to be the culture center.
Speaker 2: You're going to be the man in Denver disaster. So
Speaker 2: he has visited the New York Giants and the Steelers.
Speaker 2: So I think he's a really good fit with Steelers.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have to be the culture center. They've got Tomlin.
Speaker 2: It's an organization that I think has historically drafted and
Speaker 2: developed pretty well. They have some really nice personnel at
Speaker 2: wide receiver, running back, tight end. You know, O line
Speaker 2: is what it is. It's not terrible, it's not great,
Speaker 2: And you think to yourself, that's a better fit than
Speaker 2: the Giants. Could I argue this that go look at
Speaker 2: the Super Bowls, go look at the playoffs. Defensive coaches,
Speaker 2: they're not getting there? Is that the Giants. You're entering
Speaker 2: great entry point. It's like being a morning show in
Speaker 2: a radio station. You don't want to replace Howard Stern.
Speaker 2: You want to replace like a guy that is awful,
Speaker 2: and so any success feels big. So the Giants have
Speaker 2: been irrelevant for about twelve years, roughly one double digit season,
Speaker 2: twelve years. You have an offensive coach, you have a
Speaker 2: very good left tackle, you have a star back, but
Speaker 2: you actually have some pieces. You have a pass rusher,
Speaker 2: you have a decent defense. I like the GM. Now
Speaker 2: the coach is a lot, but he is an offensive
Speaker 2: coach and we have seen him. I think Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2: I think that he got into the playoffs is a
Speaker 2: fairly remarkable achievement by any coach. Would you automatically say,
Speaker 2: if you're Russell, take the Steelers better organization. Now they
Speaker 2: don't have the same GM they had for years, So
Speaker 2: it's a whole different ballgame in Pittsburgh now many suggest
Speaker 2: Giant Steelers. Is it as cut and dried as we
Speaker 2: think that Pittsburgh's the better fit.
Speaker 1: I would be begging the Steelers to hand me that
Speaker 1: one year veteran minimum contract assigned. I wouldn't touch the
Speaker 1: Giants ten foot poll if I was Russell, from the
Speaker 1: sense of he has no equity in that market. You
Speaker 1: talked about a pressure cooker that if it's still ugly,
Speaker 1: he would be getting crushed. That the magnifying glass on
Speaker 1: that division, right, playing the Cowboys, playing the Eagles. Now,
Speaker 1: Washington is going to be much more competitive. It's the
Speaker 1: highest rated division in the league, so everyone's paying attention.
Speaker 1: And if it continues to be ugly, I don't know
Speaker 1: if their team is good enough to overcome that, and
Speaker 1: it could really just it could end his career. Well,
Speaker 1: I have a hard time even if he just is average. Now, well,
Speaker 1: the Steelers have been competitive with below average quarterbacks, so
Speaker 1: if he's just averaged, they could be competitive, right to me.
Speaker 1: The Giants, I mean, Colin, they were really, really terrible
Speaker 1: last year and they lost their quarterback to a torn
Speaker 1: ACL It wasn't like every guy was hurt on the team.
Speaker 1: There's an argument Daniel Saquan's probably gone a free agency.
Speaker 1: You think, I guess, you never know. The owner could resign.
Speaker 2: I said this last week on the show The Giants,
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones without safe one bark only Carolina's offense is
Speaker 2: worse that that is a disaster.
Speaker 1: That is the bottom of the well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, here's the thing about Pittsburgh that you know,
Speaker 2: I go back to this. I really like their roster,
Speaker 2: but and I tend to think that Tomlin sort of
Speaker 2: lets players. I mean we've had Levan. I mean there's
Speaker 2: like eight different players, including Big Bend, that were dramatic.
Speaker 2: There's always drama. It's always with their offense. It's never
Speaker 2: with their defensive players. It's always with So my takeaway
Speaker 2: is Tomlin just not pay attention to offense. Which Russell
Speaker 2: could say, great, I'll run it, or you know, he
Speaker 2: walks into a building where they all their money. It's
Speaker 2: they all spend it on defense. The number one defensive
Speaker 2: spending team in the league. How do you view the
Speaker 2: Steelers as a quarterback? You know, Kenny Pickett can't play,
Speaker 2: we think, how do you view the Steelers as an
Speaker 2: operation for a quarterback?
Speaker 1: Well, to me, if I'm Kirk Cousins, I'd be very
Speaker 1: interested there. I think that would be a place, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, Atlanta, I'm sure can give him more money,
Speaker 1: but that's a place where you could win. And that
Speaker 1: is I mean they have They've been, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of a disaster relative to their standard, and they've still
Speaker 1: been making the playoff. They've just been a one and
Speaker 1: done team, so that they have a bunch of guys.
Speaker 1: I mean they have really really high end players and TJ.
Speaker 1: Wad makea Fitzpatrick. They have a second pass rusher, Cam
Speaker 1: Hayward still around. Like you said, they always have skill guys.
Speaker 1: The running back du Old Najee Harris really came on
Speaker 1: at the end of the season, warn the little backs
Speaker 1: really good, that war is good. There's a chance. What
Speaker 1: if Russell's not really functional in this modern day NFL
Speaker 1: and the way he's playing now, these coaches want you
Speaker 1: to have more than the one readability and every single personime,
Speaker 1: watch five guys come on your show last week, it's like,
Speaker 1: well he won read all the guys around Denver. Watch
Speaker 1: every play takes off and you watch him like, where's
Speaker 1: this Russell? And maybe he was always doing it. He
Speaker 1: was just such a spectacular athlete and such a you know,
Speaker 1: instinctive playmaker. You get older, you're not quite as quick twitch,
Speaker 1: you lose your confidence a little bit, and it's hard
Speaker 1: to just maintain that style of play forever. Steve Young
Speaker 1: said this thirty five years ago. To sustain quarterback play,
Speaker 1: you've got to learn to play in the pocket, right
Speaker 1: and that's how a lot of these guys play forever
Speaker 1: in their older age where it feels like aged overnight
Speaker 1: because you can't just run around and freelance. Well.
Speaker 2: Also, it's pretty telling when Sean Payton took that job
Speaker 2: he wanted it to work because he knew the ramifications
Speaker 2: if Russell didn't, which is dead cap hell so, and
Speaker 2: it felt like to me almost in camp, like it
Speaker 2: didn't work. You know, stop kissing babies, were not doing
Speaker 2: the I mean, Sean got real kurt and real short
Speaker 2: with the media. So my takeaway was he's looking at
Speaker 2: all this film. By the time camp, he's watched every
Speaker 2: snap for Russell. In my take as Seawn just said,
Speaker 2: this doesn't work.
Speaker 1: I do think that lifetime, how many lifetime politicians ever
Speaker 1: changed their tune. They always act like that, and Russell's
Speaker 1: always kind of been this feels like a caricature of
Speaker 1: something that he trying to put and maybe that's just
Speaker 1: actually who he is. But he's been like this pretty
Speaker 1: consistently now for a decade. I don't ever expect him
Speaker 1: to just be Oh, he's one of the boys having
Speaker 1: some beards with the old line at the at the
Speaker 1: Burger Joint, like that's not where Tom and Peyton and
Speaker 1: a lot of guys, I mean, josh Al and Lamar,
Speaker 1: all these guys just really resonate with their teammates. Even
Speaker 1: a huge thing with Jalen Hurts when they Wally Pip
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz was like, guys just liked them. And there's
Speaker 1: always been this weird gap of like Russell's a little
Speaker 1: more famous, why I can see him being interested in
Speaker 1: New York, the brand, all that stuff that comes along
Speaker 1: with it. And that's always feels like with Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: there's this kind of elements which when he's playing great,
Speaker 1: who cares you deal with it? It? Drew drove Seattle a
Speaker 1: little nuts, but they were always competitive. The moment that
Speaker 1: turns it feels like I don't even want to deal
Speaker 1: with I could see some of these teams listen, everyone
Speaker 1: gets desperate. You eventually pull the trigger. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, remember that once upon a time Cam Newton
Speaker 1: was just sitting there in a summer. Are we sure
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's a lot to be signed by the end
Speaker 1: of this week? I We'll see. I'm a very fascinated
Speaker 1: to watch how this thing plays out well. And listen
Speaker 1: for the first time in his life. Yeah, we kind
Speaker 1: of want you. These teams aren't gonna be kissing his ass.
Speaker 2: Well, you think about this, it's really somebody had a
Speaker 2: good line. They said on my staff said, is he
Speaker 2: more concerned with sponsorships than relationships? But there is never
Speaker 2: been even for bad quarterbacks. Zach Wilson may not have
Speaker 2: been popular. People didn't publicly hammer him. Jay Cutler was
Speaker 2: a bit of a pill. People didn't publicly hammered Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 2: you know, prickly, very well liked by players. Russell got
Speaker 2: hammered by Seahawk players. He just got hammered by Carl Mecklenberg.
Speaker 2: Pete wanted it out. It didn't work with Peyton. That's
Speaker 2: almost unheard of for a two Super Place one Trophy
Speaker 2: quarterback where people taking I've never heard any teammate bag
Speaker 2: on Tom Brady. I mean Peyton was intense.
Speaker 1: I just some of this.
Speaker 2: Like I said before, if there was a documentary tomorrowl
Speaker 2: on Russell Wilson, you'd name it. There's something about Russ
Speaker 2: whatever it is. It just Seattle had four different players
Speaker 2: come out and take shots at him.
Speaker 1: Well, we've seen a couple guys like guys that had
Speaker 1: high end careers. When it ended it, it was clearly
Speaker 1: they were holding on for dear life. Philip Rivers and
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, right, and Matt was done done. Philip was
Speaker 1: not quite the same, but he was functional. They were
Speaker 1: beloved in the Philip Rivers that one year in Indie.
Speaker 1: You know Ballard, those guys loved him. And there you
Speaker 1: either have it or you don't. When it comes to
Speaker 1: interacting with people and the quarterback position. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys get it early on, like in
Speaker 1: high school, maybe even junior high. That natural everyone's kind
Speaker 1: of looking at him, and it just grows your confidence
Speaker 1: and you're very comfortable doing it when you look at
Speaker 1: the history like Dan Marino, just go throughout the list
Speaker 1: of names guys drafted high not even like Hall of Famers,
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer, they just they just kind of get it.
Speaker 1: The crew of guys we have right now, I mean,
Speaker 1: how natural Josh Allen, Patrick, mahomes Lamar, their ability to
Speaker 1: just the respect's even the wrong way to put it,
Speaker 1: but like that's my guy all the whole. The kicker
Speaker 1: says that, the d line says it all the offensive
Speaker 1: guy's saying, and Russell's really kind of an outlier, high
Speaker 1: end player. He's no longer, but even in his prime
Speaker 1: where it didn't feel like everyone there's a gap there,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what was missing. I don't know
Speaker 1: the guy personally, but even the guys that know him
Speaker 1: personally always felt like it's just weird. It's like, he's
Speaker 1: not giving you his number. You got to call my
Speaker 1: people's like, Russell, I'm sitting right next to you in
Speaker 1: the locker room. It's so effin weird.
Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles Fletcher Cox, great player. There was some erosion
Speaker 2: last couple of years, he retires. Jason Kelsey not much
Speaker 2: erosion at all. But if you play center and you're
Speaker 2: the architect of the tush push that you age fast.
Speaker 2: I don't love Philadelphia this year. First of all, there's
Speaker 2: no proof, and I do like Jalen Hurts, but there's
Speaker 2: two Jalen Hurts. There's the Shane Steichen calling plays Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 2: Then there's the rest of his career, and there's a
Speaker 2: lot of turnovers and a lot of average. They had
Speaker 2: to hire two new coordinators. Sirianni to me feels at
Speaker 2: times over as Skis you know the organization, well, you know,
Speaker 2: I said, there's there's always The NFL is getting more
Speaker 2: predictable because it's more quarterback coach centric. So Houston was
Speaker 2: clearly a surprise.
Speaker 1: They hitting the coach. They hit in a quarterback.
Speaker 2: By and large, Cincinnati would have been good at erle plays.
Speaker 2: There were no big surprises last year. I mean that
Speaker 2: the Chargers went ass over Tea Kettle because of Brandon Staley,
Speaker 2: but nobody liked him anyway. But and then Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 2: got hurt. That was the Jags were playing with the
Speaker 2: quarterback at about sixty percent strength. But we have minimum
Speaker 2: four and on average six new playoff teams every season.
Speaker 2: It's gotten as high as eight. I said, I think
Speaker 2: Washington with cap space, could be an interesting team. If
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels comes in or Drake May and they can
Speaker 2: play a little bit, it's gonna be some. They got
Speaker 2: some good players. I don't love the feeling around Philadelphia now.
Speaker 2: They'll pivot quickly if they're if they're struggling at Thanksgiving,
Speaker 2: they'll make a move. So I don't I don't love
Speaker 2: you're losing. It almost reminds me when the Patriots lost
Speaker 2: Bruce Kei and Vrabel and you replace them with young guys.
Speaker 2: You're like, hey, these guys are good players. You lost
Speaker 2: the soul of your team. And they Patriots, even with
Speaker 2: Tommy came back the next year, they were just a
Speaker 2: kind of a mistake plagued mess I don't love the
Speaker 2: vibe for and I very pro Eagles on my show,
Speaker 2: but I don't love the vibe I feel now your thoughts.
Speaker 1: I think it's very, very difficult for any organization to
Speaker 1: replace two guys that have a combined twenty five years
Speaker 1: experience in the same building. Jesus both of them, I
Speaker 1: would say, I mean Kelsey for sure, Fletcher as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, guys are gonna get their numbers retired, be
Speaker 1: up in the you know, on the stadium, ninety one
Speaker 1: and sixty five or whatever number. Kelsey at sixty two, yea.
Speaker 1: I think the the pressure you know, on the barbecue
Speaker 1: Winslow went up to high on Jalen Hursts in terms
Speaker 1: of not just display, but the leadership to run the organization.
Speaker 1: You had two guys, I mean Fletcher Cox the top
Speaker 1: fifteen pick, so he was a highly touted guy, was
Speaker 1: a really good player. Kelsey late Bloomer, but these guys
Speaker 1: have ran the organization for the last seven eight years.
Speaker 1: So you lose that that void, and then you're paying
Speaker 1: the quarterback forty five million. The coach in a little
Speaker 1: turmoil of like, okay, Sirianni, you got pressure on you
Speaker 1: sometimes when you have a really good organization internally, right,
Speaker 1: the Patriots had it forever. They had Tom but they
Speaker 1: also had mccordy, Slater, high tower Edelman, like they had
Speaker 1: a core. You start removing some of those guys, now
Speaker 1: the pressure goes, Well, you lose Fletcher Cox. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: on Jalen Carter that has a ton of question marks
Speaker 1: just as a human let alone the player. Can't he
Speaker 1: sustain Jordan Davis. These are two highly touted high picks. Okay,
Speaker 1: can you guys become the next Fletcher Cox because he's
Speaker 1: no longer around, right, and they always draft linemen, so
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, they have a really good player to
Speaker 1: fill in for Jason kelcey, but it's not quite the
Speaker 1: same his void that he leaves from, you know, just
Speaker 1: verbally and anytime there's an issue, the reporters go to
Speaker 1: those guys. They went to Fletcher Cox last year. When
Speaker 1: everything was imploding, He's like screaming at the reporter, like,
Speaker 1: calm down, that's bullshit. Kelsey always could just simmer the moment.
Speaker 1: And in Philly you need that. Yeah, it's why the
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson thing in New York. I'm like that that
Speaker 1: pressure is a lot different in Seattle and even Denver,
Speaker 1: which is a high level organization in terms of its coverage,
Speaker 1: it ain't New York and Philly is the ultimate. And
Speaker 1: then you just to me, anytime you factor in a
Speaker 1: huge quarterback contract, I think the pressure on Sirianni, but
Speaker 1: I don't hear next year is just you. You could
Speaker 1: argue that the combo right going into the season with
Speaker 1: like mccarsony and Dak like the level of like, let's see,
Speaker 1: this's just not you're not gonna fire hurts after the
Speaker 1: season because of the contract. But we've seen them move
Speaker 1: on fast from Wentz before. So he better played really well,
Speaker 1: like a Pro Bowl level, or they're gonna have problems
Speaker 1: and the leadership, it's not even just the play, like
Speaker 1: everyone's now looking at you like it doesn't always feel
Speaker 1: like he's super verbal on the sideline, right, And it
Speaker 1: was reported that they're kind of working on that. Well,
Speaker 1: now he does have a choice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think there is something. He's a bit undersized.
Speaker 2: Two is a bit undersized. Kyler's a bit undersized. Russell
Speaker 2: Wilson undersized two has been the only one that's acknowledged.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Times I have trouble seeing down the field a little bit,
Speaker 2: so I think with Hertz. My two takeaways are the
Speaker 2: undersized quarterback generally are not end up being the great
Speaker 2: pocket quarterbacks of our time. Secondly, they get banged up
Speaker 2: a little bit more because they have to create alleys
Speaker 2: and they move more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I swear to God.
Speaker 2: The li last two years, I'm not sure if Jalen
Speaker 2: Hurts has had a three week stretcher he's been healthy.
Speaker 1: I think he's always hurt. Well. The other thing is
Speaker 1: last year after the contract, clearly he didn't run as much.
Speaker 1: I mean it was because early on in his career.
Speaker 1: It's one of his great attributes. He's not the fastest,
Speaker 1: but he's very natural with the ball in his hands.
Speaker 1: But I don't care who you are, whether you're built
Speaker 1: like you know a little truck or whether you're super
Speaker 1: skinny like Bryce Young. If you're running a lot, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get hit and you're gonna get hit hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this league is not you know John Lynch and Steve
Speaker 1: Atwater hitting you. These guys are still hitting you pretty
Speaker 1: hard and they We've never had faster players on defense.
Speaker 1: So clearly the wear and tear not enough typically to
Speaker 1: like knock him out for a month. But I wonder
Speaker 1: if he's just in a lot of pain. But how
Speaker 1: do you balance. He's probably never gonna be I mean,
Speaker 1: he's never gonna be a top two or three pocket
Speaker 1: quarterback in the end is now. But when he's playing
Speaker 1: really well, he's this hybrid player. What happens to all
Speaker 1: these guys as they age a little bit and the
Speaker 1: money comes in, they don't I don't even blame him.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get tackled down the field, but
Speaker 1: you have to do that to be a great player.
Speaker 1: Like Lamar is pretty unique. He's so fast he can
Speaker 1: avoid and he's really good at getting down. Most of
Speaker 1: those guys don't have his like four to three.
Speaker 2: Josh Allen is so big that he just likes and we'll.
Speaker 1: See how long that's gonna last. That's right, right, So
Speaker 1: I think Jalen I would just live in the moment,
Speaker 1: and we got to run him, but be smart about it.
Speaker 1: But I need him running a little bit more because
Speaker 1: the pressure on their offense now this with removing Kelsey,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to obviously be a lot better than
Speaker 1: they were, and Kellen Moore had a lot of success
Speaker 1: with a younger Dak you would assume Fangio, But like
Speaker 1: you said, this organization they work at rapid speed. They
Speaker 1: are not like, let's just give it a couple of years,
Speaker 1: see how it goes like. They will pivot and they
Speaker 1: will pivot fast. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, they're the opposite of the Steelers. They don't let
Speaker 2: stuff bake. They're not really interested. That's why Pittsburgh's so
Speaker 2: fascinating to me because you know, I mean, like I
Speaker 2: remember talking to a general manager when Kenny Pickett was
Speaker 2: coming out and he said, listen, Pittsburgh needs to find
Speaker 2: a quarterback. He's the best one in a terrible quarterback class.
Speaker 2: And I was told he was a top to a
Speaker 2: middle of the third round guy. That's just what he is, Well,
Speaker 2: that's what he looks like. He just he didn't have
Speaker 2: a ton of confidence. You know, he's a classic. He
Speaker 2: could win you a game if he had to start
Speaker 2: for two mid season, but by and large God Mason
Speaker 2: Rudolph came in and at least threw the ball to
Speaker 2: the right people. It felt like he limited as he
Speaker 2: is better arm talent. Got the ball to Pickens. It's like,
Speaker 2: it's not that hard target that guy thirteen times, get
Speaker 2: it to him nine, you're gonna score some points. So
Speaker 2: you know, it's funny. Philadelphia is the kind of organization
Speaker 2: after a while, you know, like the Rams are very progressive.
Speaker 2: They are just always taking swings and that's just how
Speaker 2: less need is. I know him pretty well. And McVeigh
Speaker 2: that Stan cronky. They take big swings. Green Bay a
Speaker 2: little more reluctant to do that stuff. Let it bake, Pittsburgh,
Speaker 2: let it bake. You know, I was sitting there flying
Speaker 2: it was in Chicago this weekend. As I flew back,
Speaker 2: I thought, at least I know what those teams are like.
Speaker 2: They have a you know, Rams, aggressive San Francisco, aggressive, Dallas.
Speaker 2: They draft and pay their own. Pittsburgh, Green Bay they
Speaker 2: let it bake. The Bears don't have an image and
Speaker 2: so they really don't. And I was thinking about this
Speaker 2: with Caleb Williams. Anybody with a functional brain. If your
Speaker 2: kid was going it was a quarterback and star quarterback
Speaker 2: and was going number one, you wouldn't pick the Bears.
Speaker 2: But here's my thing that I think he's going to
Speaker 2: end up looking a lot like Kyler Murray and Josh Allen.
Speaker 2: Yere one where you're going to have no doubt in
Speaker 2: your mind. He's an NFL franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: He's just going to lose a lot.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of and a lot of that was
Speaker 2: Kingsbury probably not a great head coach. Josh Allen, let's
Speaker 2: be honest, he wasn't nearly as slick as Caleb coming
Speaker 2: out of Wyoming. He was kind of a turnover pro
Speaker 2: mess who completed fifty five percent of his throws. Give
Speaker 2: me your belief. First of all, I think the division.
Speaker 2: I think Green Bay, Minnesota and Detroit. The coaching staffs
Speaker 2: are good. I'm sorry they are. I think Gbra Fluce
Speaker 2: feels like a coordinator. Give me realistic numbers on Caleb
Speaker 2: Williams for a franchise again that doesn't even really have
Speaker 2: a brand since the eighties.
Speaker 1: I would say this their roster in one thing, just
Speaker 1: every single move that happened in the NFL. It's so
Speaker 1: evident that the money flowing in has allowed these teams
Speaker 1: to pay all these people so much money. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Bears make that trade for Sweat, immediately pay him.
Speaker 1: Then they franchise Jalen Johnson and immediately give him a
Speaker 1: ton of money. Their talent on defense is pretty good.
Speaker 1: I mean we saw them down the stretch. Defensively, they're
Speaker 1: pretty solid. They have DJ or if they have some
Speaker 1: solid offensive lineman after last draft. I think the question
Speaker 1: just is the organizational pressure on the coach that if
Speaker 1: you start a little slow, because anytime listen, he was
Speaker 1: losing games last year at USC tight games like it's hard.
Speaker 1: I mean, their team's not going to be as loaded
Speaker 1: offensively as a lot of the teams are going to play.
Speaker 1: I mean Green Bay and Detroit are clearly better. So
Speaker 1: what happens if they start three and five? Is there
Speaker 1: pressure to fire ebra Flus in the are they already
Speaker 1: going another coach? I would say, I think he's going
Speaker 1: to be pretty solid because a lot like a young
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts and some of these young they'll just run around,
Speaker 1: so you can he's not going to be afraid to
Speaker 1: do it. He was doing it all last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So as long as he's willing to do that, he
Speaker 1: can make plays because his arm is so great outside
Speaker 1: of the pocket. And that's an attribute that he brings
Speaker 1: to the table immediately is the scramble ability not to run.
Speaker 1: But Deshaun Watson had this early in his career and
Speaker 1: he does not have the arm that Caleb Williams has.
Speaker 1: He would Russell made a career out of this scramble
Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage to keep a play alive
Speaker 1: and then hit a big playoff. I think that's what
Speaker 1: he's going to have to make a killing on early
Speaker 1: and luckily he can't. And that's where a lot of
Speaker 1: players they look good early on DeShawn Russell and then
Speaker 1: as it goes on, they don't want to keep playing
Speaker 1: like that, and it's like can you And if he
Speaker 1: can develop into it, then he'll be a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 1: If he can't, and there's some questions some people think
Speaker 1: he's not good in the construct of an offense. You
Speaker 1: watch all the sc games last year, I think it
Speaker 1: was such a mess. It's hard to even I know
Speaker 1: physically he has the gifts. People think he's pretty solid.
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of pushback about his team
Speaker 1: and the brand and the money. Well, it's college football now.
Speaker 1: I mean he's been how much Kayleb Williams make the
Speaker 1: last couple of years ten million. If if I was
Speaker 1: making ten million as a college kid, I'd need a
Speaker 1: team too. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: This is where I really If you take the top
Speaker 2: four or five teams in college football over the last
Speaker 2: several years, Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, Alabama, take those kind
Speaker 2: of teams, you can argue only one USC player beyond
Speaker 2: Cal Williams would have started for those teams offensively Jordan Addison.
Speaker 2: And on Ohio State. They have so many good receivers,
Speaker 2: he may not have been the Number one is that
Speaker 2: when people look at those numbers at US see there
Speaker 2: is a sense that they have this this they really
Speaker 2: have had very average. I mean, Jerry Rice's kid is
Speaker 2: probably a fourth or a fifth round receiver.
Speaker 1: Really worked hard.
Speaker 2: Absolutely an NFL player doesn't really separate, but in the
Speaker 2: league now plays zone. Everybody in the league plays zone.
Speaker 2: So he's a smart kid. He finds openings. He's got
Speaker 2: a little pooka and akool where he's strong physically in
Speaker 2: zone coverages. Dad's a legend. He's a smart kid. He
Speaker 2: always finds Crevice's That's right. Puka is big, and Puka
Speaker 2: in his own league because Puka is not a huge separator.
Speaker 2: The truth is Puka just finds good hands and find
Speaker 2: space then breaks tackles and break sackles.
Speaker 1: So does Cooper.
Speaker 2: Covers have big receivers and Brennan Rice is strong. But
Speaker 2: that's where I'll defend Caleb is that he had one
Speaker 2: star player, like one high end player he was carrying.
Speaker 2: I mean, Arizona.
Speaker 1: Arguably should have won that game.
Speaker 2: Arizona had more high end offensive players than USC. Arizona
Speaker 2: Wildcats a basketball school. So I think it's gonna work.
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna look a little bit like Josh
Speaker 2: Allen or sometimes he's running just to run and it'll
Speaker 2: look a little He'll be a combination of both. He'll
Speaker 2: be a better kyer, was a better thrower right out
Speaker 2: of the gate than Josh. Josh was just bigger, stronger
Speaker 2: and insane. I think he's gonna be a hybrid. He's
Speaker 2: gonna be a little bit of both.
Speaker 1: I do think a lot of times when you get
Speaker 1: drafted with the first overall pick. Yeah, you go to
Speaker 1: a team even if it has an offensive piece or two.
Speaker 1: The Panthers were kind of an outlier. They had nothing.
Speaker 1: The defense usually stinks, so you have to do like
Speaker 1: their defense could be pretty good, right, I mean they
Speaker 1: got some high end defensive players. Eva Flus might not
Speaker 1: be a great head coach, but he's a pretty good
Speaker 1: defensive coach. Yes, so what if they're just it might
Speaker 1: not be on his shoulders like it is a lot
Speaker 1: of times with these young quarterbacks because their defense is
Speaker 1: getting shredded on a weekly basis. So maybe it's actually
Speaker 1: gonna be a little easier in the sense that his
Speaker 1: defense in the pros is gonna be way better anything
Speaker 1: he experienced in college Oklahoma or USC.
Speaker 2: How about this too, The Lions will probably have to
Speaker 2: give GoF a bigger deal. Jordan Love's gonna get paid.
Speaker 2: So those defenses. That's not a great defensive division now.
Speaker 2: So the best defense next year arguably will be the
Speaker 2: one Caleb Williams faces at practice. So once you pay golf,
Speaker 2: you can't go out and spend the money. And by
Speaker 2: the way, most of the really really good players for
Speaker 2: Detroit amor On Saint Brown, Piney Sewell, Goff Swift.
Speaker 1: You'll pay three years.
Speaker 2: You're gonna retain your offensive players. They don't have Hutchison
Speaker 2: as the one defensive guy you'd pay. So my take
Speaker 2: is Caleb's coming into division. He may have to win
Speaker 2: by shootout, but this is not going to be the
Speaker 2: AFC North, you know, or like when Matt you know,
Speaker 2: or honestly when Tua came in, or you know, I
Speaker 2: mean you had Belichick twice a year. You've got McDermott.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: At one point, hell Brian Flores was in that division.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh Jesus, that's Those are tough matchups. So
Speaker 2: I think Caleb's going to go in a division where
Speaker 2: most of the talent it's an all star team. Offensively,
Speaker 2: there's not seven great defensive players in that conference. And
Speaker 2: I think Sweat and Jalen Johnson are two of.
Speaker 1: Them for sure. I mean, they're really good. One thing
Speaker 1: last week, I didn't watch that much LSU during the season,
Speaker 1: and I just flipped on. I wanted to watch the
Speaker 1: wide receiver Malik Nabors, who's supposed to be a top
Speaker 1: ten player, and obviously with the quarterback, I came away
Speaker 1: thinking Jayden Daniels. Jeez, he actually really good pocket touch,
Speaker 1: big arm, big time athlete. I started texting around to
Speaker 1: a couple of college directors. I said, is this the
Speaker 1: number two quarterback prospect? And every single one of them
Speaker 1: hit me back, Yeah, what it's all said and done.
Speaker 1: They think he's because it gets back to is he's
Speaker 1: going to be a great NFL player. Nobody knows, right,
Speaker 1: but you might as well take the guy with the
Speaker 1: more physical gifts. He's got a big arm, he's really
Speaker 1: accurate this year, and he can move now. He's you
Speaker 1: can tell he's really skinny, he refused to wag. But
Speaker 1: he's tall. He's like six ' four exactly. So if
Speaker 1: over the next couple of years he can get up
Speaker 1: to two o five two ten, let's say I'm assuming
Speaker 1: maybe low one nineties right now, it'd be fine. And
Speaker 1: he's really fast, but again, arm wise, very accurate, throws
Speaker 1: a very beautiful deep ball, and has a powerfulm So
Speaker 1: I came away thinking that guy that there are actually
Speaker 1: some similarities there. I wanted to hate him just because
Speaker 1: what I watched at ASU was so ugly. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: get that initial you watch him play a couple of
Speaker 1: games like this guy couldn't play, and then you watch
Speaker 1: him what he did this year with Brian Kelly in
Speaker 1: a real operation, Like this kid looks like a star. Yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously he won the Heisman, But from an NFL prospect,
Speaker 1: I wonder if the gap clearly Caleb's gonna go one.
Speaker 1: But I think physically he brings a lot to the table.
Speaker 1: He's not as thick as Caleb, right, I mean Caleb is.
Speaker 2: But he's almost almost foreign taller, taller, much easier for
Speaker 2: him to see. Yeah, he didn't have much to work
Speaker 2: with at Arizona State. He played with a running back.
Speaker 2: It was kind of you know, it was Herm Edwards,
Speaker 2: so it was most of the attention in the athletes.
Speaker 2: Uh Antonio appears and her Edwards were on the defensive side.
Speaker 2: He had a running back that was pretty good. He
Speaker 2: didn't have a ton to work with, so o line
Speaker 2: wasn't very good. But I remember when he went from
Speaker 2: Arizona State to LSU. I went on the Herd on
Speaker 2: FS one and Fox Sports Radio, and I remember saying
Speaker 2: he's good, he can play. I remember his first couple
Speaker 2: of games. My daughter went to Arizona State, so I
Speaker 2: was kind of like you know, I and I knew her,
Speaker 2: so I was kind of like, I don't watch this,
Speaker 2: and Jesus was he I remember this first start in college.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, Arizona State games are at night
Speaker 2: because it's so hot, so you have to make it.
Speaker 2: You have to make a point to watch him. They
Speaker 2: don't like fall into your lap. There's no day games, right,
Speaker 2: So I would stay up and watch them, and I
Speaker 2: was like, shit, man, he may wait, he may wait
Speaker 2: one sixty, but he throw. If you go back to
Speaker 2: his first year starting, he had total pois. He absolutely
Speaker 2: looked like the best freshman quarterback in the conference. So
Speaker 2: now you give him LSU's protection and you give him
Speaker 2: an offensive coach, so you know, you know, sometimes you
Speaker 2: look back and you go, yeah, of course Lamar Jackson
Speaker 2: was going to be good. He was moving all over
Speaker 2: the field against Clemson. I think you're gonna look at
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels and go. He was moving up and down
Speaker 2: the field against SEC defenses.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he saw this story, but I
Speaker 1: was looking a couple hours ago that Bob Myers was
Speaker 1: in the UH went to the Combine and was in
Speaker 1: the interviews for the quarterbacks. Did you see that, and
Speaker 1: I can't imagine a little Warrior jenf. Yeah, the former
Speaker 1: WARGM who helped them consulted with Rick Spielman to kind
Speaker 1: of hire Adam Peters and Dan Quinn. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the NFL that air natural reaction
Speaker 1: would be like, what the fuck's this guy doing in there?
Speaker 1: And then I started thinking, we kind of knows what
Speaker 1: it looks like, right, what guys sound like, what makes
Speaker 1: them tick. He's been around I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: one of the greatest NBA players and one of the
Speaker 1: greatest athletes of all time, and Draymond and Clay i'd
Speaker 1: say had pretty unique careers from a success standpoint. I
Speaker 1: was like, I think Washington, it's gonna piss some people
Speaker 1: off because the way they're doing it's a little differently
Speaker 1: with Bob Myers and thinking outside that, I think they
Speaker 1: got a lot of high level people around that building.
Speaker 2: They're my surprise picking the league. Nick, They're my Houston.
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna I could see Jayden Daniels good draft.
Speaker 2: They got some money, buy some players. They already have
Speaker 2: some young talent, right, they got some draft picks, trade
Speaker 2: and Chase Young trade and sweats. If they have a
Speaker 2: good draft and the quarterback is just solid. He doesn't
Speaker 2: even need to be c. J.
Speaker 1: Stroud, But it's just in the running for like a
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year type player. Why couldn't they be
Speaker 1: eight to ten wins right away?
Speaker 2: You're seeing Philadelphia losing some of these Verbel, Bruski, Hart
Speaker 2: and soul guys Kelsey, Fletcher Cox. Dallas is going to
Speaker 2: become very top heavy because they're gonna pay Dak, Mike C.
Speaker 2: D Lamb everybody else. I mean, there's just and you know,
Speaker 2: Dallas is very reticent to go pay somebody outside the building.
Speaker 2: They loved them draft and pay their people.
Speaker 1: That's why. And they never have any money for free
Speaker 1: agency to their team. They always pay their own guys. Yep.
Speaker 2: And then I think the Giants are a mess. I
Speaker 2: just don't think. I again, I'll say it, Brian Dable
Speaker 2: getting Daniel Jones into the playoffs and we're gonna look
Speaker 2: at that in about a year when Daniel's not a
Speaker 2: starter and just coach Jesus so no, I think, and
Speaker 2: you know the reality of this league is if Jayden
Speaker 2: can play, and again, a lot of starts two different conferences,
Speaker 2: two different styles of quarterbacks. To your point, he moves
Speaker 2: most of these guys that move well by themselves. About
Speaker 2: two years of the light going on, Russell Wilson, show
Speaker 2: you this, all these running quarterbacks, Mahomes said, year three
Speaker 2: the light went on, You're like, oh, everything slows down. Well,
Speaker 2: that's why pocket guys like Mac Jones. No, you don't
Speaker 2: get those two years. That's Jared Goff, by the way,
Speaker 2: his first year when he had a bad old line,
Speaker 2: couldn't run save his life. So I think I think Jaden,
Speaker 2: even if he's not great in the pocket, will move enough.
Speaker 2: They're going to buy some offensive line pieces. Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 2: They got some backs. I like, that's my surprise team.
Speaker 1: And again.
Speaker 2: They brought the guy Adam Peters from San Francisco, who
Speaker 2: I know of but don't know. But when's the last
Speaker 2: time somebody came out of that Niners operation? The Rams
Speaker 2: and the Niners McVan shanahan. They hire guys hang around
Speaker 2: for a few years now. Brandon Staley didn't work as
Speaker 2: a head coach, but by and large the hit rate
Speaker 2: on Niners and Rams assistants and people in the building,
Speaker 2: and not a lot of failures.
Speaker 1: Almost all these guys hit well because you can't function
Speaker 1: in the building. You know. One it's a little more inclusive, right,
Speaker 1: It's got some and Andy Reid characteristics, like everyone's communicating
Speaker 1: with each other, and clearly you just you're around teams
Speaker 1: that are pretty high level at a lot of different positions,
Speaker 1: so you know exactly what it looks like. Didn't you
Speaker 1: think I mentioned this earlier? But the amount of money
Speaker 1: these teams are thrown around. I mean, the Bears just
Speaker 1: probably gave out sixty seventy million dollars over when they
Speaker 1: signed Sweat and then Jalen Johnson. And they are not
Speaker 1: some big money team with just Dallas cowboy you know,
Speaker 1: David Tepper level money sitting in the bank account. Everyone
Speaker 1: has so much money now in the NFL that I
Speaker 1: want to give Baker Mayfield fifty You don't even think
Speaker 1: about it. And historically in football, people were half the
Speaker 1: teams in the league were hesitant to give these big numbers.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to get stuck. Now no one's like,
Speaker 1: oh it doesn't work, We'll move on next year. The
Speaker 1: money flowing with this television deal has made the league,
Speaker 1: which is good for fans. Most players. If the team
Speaker 1: wants to keep them, they stay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what I said. I mean, ninety five
Speaker 2: million guaranteed to Chris Jones, who's probably at the end,
Speaker 2: near the end of his peak. He's probably got one
Speaker 2: or two peak years. But I do think when I
Speaker 2: looked at the salary cap move up because the gambling
Speaker 2: money and the TV revenue, by take was this is
Speaker 2: really going to help the good teams. So Baltimore has
Speaker 2: that defensive lineman, they're.
Speaker 1: Just sway, give eighty million, No big deal.
Speaker 2: Chris Jones, You're like, God, Dawn, do we pay him?
Speaker 2: All the good teams? I mean, you know, it's like
Speaker 2: Aaron Donald the Rams go back and forth. Aaron Donald
Speaker 2: was the number two interior defensive linemen according to PFF.
Speaker 2: It's like he maybe kind of the Brady of defense,
Speaker 2: like like Fletcher Cox. You could see erosion.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I thought last year.
Speaker 2: I was like, if the Rams get another pass rusher
Speaker 2: on the draft on the edge, so it's harder and
Speaker 2: harder because the first kid worked. Aaron Donald looks like
Speaker 2: he is still a top three defensive lineman in the league.
Speaker 2: So I think, to your point, the money's just flowing now.
Speaker 2: And we've talked about this before. Is the NFL is
Speaker 2: so big now it really feels like hockey in Canada.
Speaker 2: Everything else is just a stepchild. It's English Premier League
Speaker 2: in London like nothing else. They have cricket, they have tennis.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't matter. And I think I think gambling
Speaker 2: has I know at Fox, people don't turn off bad
Speaker 2: games anymore. You stick around nobody these bad games used
Speaker 2: to have they'd fall off the cliff.
Speaker 1: They don't.
Speaker 2: They just stay. And also the earth thing is the
Speaker 2: big brands. Green Bay's good again. If Chicago gets good,
Speaker 2: Philadelphia is always good. The Niners are good, the Cowboys
Speaker 2: are you know, they're winning twelve games with Dak. The
Speaker 2: Steelers underachieved, but they're okay right now. You got a
Speaker 2: lot of Midwest teams hitting, which is you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I just look at the NFL and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I remember five, six, seven years ago when I was
Speaker 2: hearing these Northeast sports writers say the CT to the
Speaker 2: end of football in America, and I'm like, guys, stop
Speaker 2: going to baseball games. Football is not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: Well, this next week is the NFL free agency, which
Speaker 1: is big but I actually think it's kind of the
Speaker 1: opening act for the draft. I mean, can you imagine
Speaker 1: how big the draft rating is going to be Chicago, Washington,
Speaker 1: and Boston Draft one, two, three? I mean, think how many?
Speaker 1: I mean, I bet it's gonna fifteen plus million people
Speaker 1: are going to be watching night Thursday night, right, Oh,
Speaker 1: I bet you that might be low. It might be
Speaker 1: twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Five Thursday Night. Draft Night will be nights of the
Speaker 2: NBA Finals.
Speaker 1: No question, easily, honestly it might. With those big brands
Speaker 1: drafting high and he stretches it out for thirty five minutes,
Speaker 1: might be twenty five plus million people watching the first
Speaker 1: hour of the NFL Draft. It's just gonna be in safe.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for it.
Speaker 2: John Middlcoff, former NFL scout is podcast is three and out.
Speaker 2: We do this for an hour or so tonight We
Speaker 2: went over it, which is great.
Speaker 1: Good see anybody. Like I said, keep an eye on
Speaker 1: the Dodgers. I think they're gonna be pretty.
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