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Speaker 2: All right, as is customary. It's Sunday night, John middle Coffin.

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Speaker 2: I chop it up for about an hour, mostly things NFL.

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Speaker 2: I was a Delta guy forever, Third flight American. What

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Speaker 1: I never check a bag. I also tied one on.

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Speaker 1: But it started in the day I went to the

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it helps baseball, but just in

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Speaker 2: figured out how to work the system. So let's let's

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Speaker 2: start with this. So mac Jones only goes for a

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Speaker 2: six round pick, So first of all, it's it's seventy

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Speaker 2: May you know Mac Jones isn't I thought it was

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Speaker 2: kept thinking to myself. So Mac Jones was a high

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this today though, Colin, and this

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Speaker 1: It doesn't exist. Right, Like this guy, he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: It's why I had no problem taking big swings on

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Speaker 1: what at best Mac Jones was always going to be

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Speaker 2: But well, I mean, listen, Jay Cutler was really gifted

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Speaker 2: But at the end, people just didn't like Jay Cutler.

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Speaker 2: I think what happens is but his personality. People put

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Speaker 2: you couldn't. He pouted, petty, and there was just you know,

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Speaker 2: It's not like Nick Saban was holding his hand right.

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Speaker 2: So I think Bill always felt comfortable drafting an urban guy,

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Speaker 2: the SEC. I don't know what it is. Is there

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Speaker 2: less revenue to fan care less, are the owners not

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Speaker 2: very good. It's just not a very good division. It's

431
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Speaker 2: just you know some of it too, John his passion.

432
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Speaker 2: There have been down years, but the Giants have Super Bowls,

433
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Speaker 2: Washington has super Bowls, the Eagles have super Bowls, you know,

434
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Speaker 2: I mean all these teams, the Cowboys, Egles, that division

435
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Speaker 2: cares his college football is irrelevant in the Northeast outside

436
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Speaker 2: of Akrishan State. I do think in the South, Saturday

437
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 2: is such a big day that it's just there's not

438
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Speaker 2: if you listen to sports talk radio on a Monday,

439
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Speaker 2: they're not crushing the NFL team there. They're ripping their

440
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Speaker 2: sec head coach and quarterback. And I do think there's

441
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Speaker 2: a you know, it just doesn't feel as big. And

442
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Speaker 2: so that division to me is best quarterback wins it.

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Speaker 2: And this morning, this afternoon, Baker's arguably the best quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Well. And one thing, if you're Jason Light and Todd Bowles,

445
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Speaker 1: you go, well, Baker sneaky bright light sky right Oklahoma

446
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Speaker 1: three years, excelled a couple of years into Cleveland, played

447
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Speaker 1: really well that one season and won a playoff game.

448
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Speaker 1: So you've seen him have success in the league. And

449
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Speaker 1: then last year had you know, eight to ten really

450
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Speaker 1: good games for you and played well in the playoff

451
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Speaker 1: game against the Eagles. And he wasn't terrible in the

452
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Speaker 1: Lions game by any means. That was kind of an

453
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Speaker 1: ugly game, but made some plays down the stretching. So

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Speaker 1: you've now seen him in two playoff games, you clearly

455
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Speaker 1: feel comfortable. You got a year with him studying how

456
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Speaker 1: hard he prepared you just you go from six point

457
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Speaker 1: eight five million dollars though to thirty five. You know,

458
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Speaker 1: do you get the same level of chip on your shoulder?

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Speaker 1: Some guys excel, you know, not everyone's Michael Jordan and

460
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Speaker 1: Tiger Woods and Tom Brady. They could have a chip

461
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Speaker 1: on their shoulder till the day they die. Some guys

462
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Speaker 1: ebb and flow with that a little bit. So I

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Speaker 1: do think there's gonna be some pressure on Baker next year.

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Speaker 1: So everyone was counting him out last year. This year

465
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Speaker 1: everyone's gonna celebrate him. We'll see. I still think Tampa well,

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Speaker 1: I guess we'll know with Kirk Cousins in the next

467
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Speaker 1: couple of days. But I'd still give them a very

468
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Speaker 1: very good shot to win that division when you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's a couple other things to talk about.

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Speaker 2: First of all, the Broncos traded to Jerry Judy, who

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Speaker 2: I always I never Jerry Judy is one of those

472
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Speaker 2: guys Courtland Sutton I think's a little underrated. I think

473
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Speaker 2: Courtland's a really good player, and I also think they

474
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Speaker 2: have a young tight end. I like, they have a back.

475
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Speaker 2: I like, they got to make some moves here. You know,

476
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Speaker 2: they're eating money, so they trade Jerry Judy. They cut

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Speaker 2: Justin Simmons. You know, you know, six six months ago,

478
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Speaker 2: everybody was lamenting how we treat running backs. But Seattle

479
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Speaker 2: cut two got rid of two good safeties. Justin Simmons

480
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Speaker 2: for Denver's a really good safety. Nobody wants to pay

481
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Speaker 2: a safety. So I mean, I think you see what

482
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Speaker 2: they're doing here. They're like, listen, we've just we got

483
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Speaker 2: to get we have to get. We have to hit

484
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Speaker 2: on six draft picks. The only way to make that

485
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Speaker 2: whole Russell Wilson thing work. And it can you get

486
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Speaker 2: bo Nicks at twelve, you hit on four to five

487
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Speaker 2: other draft picks, and it is amazing how you mitigate

488
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Speaker 2: cap problems.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're look at the Rams last year. They

490
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Speaker 1: had a bunch of cheap talent. It was good. That's

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Speaker 1: a great point. They hit on.

492
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Speaker 2: The tackle was great, both their defensive linemen, the edge

493
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Speaker 2: and the kid from Wake Forest to eat tackle was good.

494
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Speaker 2: Outside of the steps and Bennett pick and I think, yeah,

495
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Speaker 2: everything else worked, pukku, everything else. Everybody was productive. So

496
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Speaker 2: if Denver goes out and gets a quarterback who's functional,

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Speaker 2: I think Bonix works in their system whether he's great

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Speaker 2: or not. No no, no, or a JJ McCarthy. If

499
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Speaker 2: he hits and you have, you know, four other picks

500
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Speaker 2: that play, I think, I don't think it'll hurt him

501
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Speaker 2: for a year. But I don't think it's one of

502
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Speaker 2: these death knells. I think that's what's great about this sport.

503
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Speaker 2: You start accumulating picks. It's a numbers game. You hit

504
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Speaker 2: on six or seven, you get through stuff like this.

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Speaker 1: Well, ultimately, if the Yankee sign of three hundred million

506
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Speaker 1: dollar contract and the guy sucks by year two, there

507
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Speaker 1: aren't ramifications because you can keep buying other guys. In football,

508
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Speaker 1: When you sign one hundred and sixty hundred and seventy

509
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Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed deal like they did with Russell Wilson

510
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Speaker 1: and it's a disaster, there are massive ramifications. There's a

511
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Speaker 1: tidal wave. So it's the trade. When you look at

512
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Speaker 1: the collateral damage of the trade, it's not just the

513
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Speaker 1: pick they gave up to Seattle, which Seattle hit on

514
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Speaker 1: those guys and the players they gave up. You have

515
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Speaker 1: to include all these guys they cut right because they

516
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Speaker 1: had to free some money that they had to be

517
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Speaker 1: able to breathe. So like I listen, you know, I

518
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Speaker 1: don't know Sean Payton, but I can't imagine he doesn't

519
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Speaker 1: want to cut the safety. But Jerry Judy probably would

520
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Speaker 1: have been traded no matter what. They cut some guys

521
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Speaker 1: because they have to get money that they need to

522
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Speaker 1: kind of balance everything out. So to me, the Russell

523
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Speaker 1: Wilson contract, you saw the title, what these guys getting

524
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Speaker 1: cut and trader are part of that. The Buffalo Bill

525
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Speaker 1: same thing to a lighter extent. They gave von Miller

526
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Speaker 1: fifty five million dollars. It's a disaster that was. So

527
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Speaker 1: they're cutting all these guys. They're cutting all these guys.

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Speaker 1: Well that the ramification of they can't cut von Miller,

529
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Speaker 1: it'd be twenty five million dollars on their salary cap.

530
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Speaker 1: So they got to cut high. They got to cut Poyer,

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Speaker 1: they got to cut the center. They just that's part

532
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Speaker 1: of the deal. It's why you know these front offices

533
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Speaker 1: and football is hard because if a guy gets injured.

534
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Speaker 1: But Von Miller was thirty plus years old, I understand

535
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Speaker 1: the Russell Wilson deal at the time, but like they're

536
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Speaker 1: paid to get it right and they got it wrong.

537
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Speaker 1: And let's face it, they wanted Aaron Rodgers. That was

538
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Speaker 1: what they did. And then the moment he went back

539
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Speaker 1: to Green Bay, they were so desperate that they got

540
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Speaker 1: over aggressive to John Schneider when he's sitting in his

541
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Speaker 1: hotel room at the Combine George Payton a couple of

542
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Speaker 1: years ago, and he gave him the farm. John Sneyder

543
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Speaker 1: tried to trade Russell Wilson, remember in twenty eighteen. He

544
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Speaker 1: wanted to give him to the Browns to draft Josh

545
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Speaker 1: Allen and Russell said no. So they made a huge

546
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Speaker 1: swing and they also and listen, I understand why they

547
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Speaker 1: did it. They were all in. They didn't have to

548
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Speaker 1: give him a contract. He was under contract when they

549
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Speaker 1: traded for him a couple of years, but they wanted

550
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Speaker 1: to get him up there and they thought he was

551
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Speaker 1: going to be a star, and it backfired. Think about

552
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Speaker 1: epic proportions.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting. I'm in the tape business, and

554
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Speaker 2: I you know, I have strong opinions, but there are

555
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Speaker 2: times and I always try to I don't ever say

556
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Speaker 2: anything I don't believe, but the Russell, Wilson, Denver Seahawk,

557
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: nobody won, Carol got fired. Hackett was a disaster. Russell

558
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: didn't work. Peyton now is under the gun. Players are

559
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: getting moved. You think to yourself, well.

560
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Speaker 1: Snyder kind of won, didn't he because he got to

561
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Speaker 1: take over Seattle.

562
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Speaker 2: That's there you go. John Snyder won, and he hit

563
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Speaker 2: on those picks. I mean, let's face it, Pete, when

564
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Speaker 2: Paul Allen died, there was this moment in time that

565
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Speaker 2: Pete had too much power in the building and like

566
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Speaker 2: a Belichick, he had too much influence. I was told,

567
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Speaker 2: but two different people in the building. Over the years,

568
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Speaker 2: Pete started kind of taking over the draft. John Snyder

569
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Speaker 2: threatened to go to Detroit, said, there's no what's the

570
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 2: point they bring him back? He takes control. The drafts

571
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Speaker 2: have been great in Seattle since these coaches, you know,

572
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Speaker 2: they they hate to admit it, but they don't watch

573
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Speaker 2: football on Saturdays. They're not sitting around on Saturdays watching

574
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Speaker 2: these Andy Reid will tell you that I'm I don't

575
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Speaker 2: have time. And so when you all of a sudden

576
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Speaker 2: you want to be a man the GMS, I know,

577
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Speaker 2: I mean, I know, Tom Telesco Brett Veach Saturday, they're

578
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Speaker 2: sitting watching college football for hours. They're going to games.

579
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Speaker 2: You can't ender late on that stuff and go, well,

580
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: here's some film. You gotta watch the games.

581
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Speaker 1: Andy told me at the combine and he's done the

582
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Speaker 1: job head coach GM in Philadelphia, he said, it's not

583
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: possible anymore. There's too much time or there's not enough time.

584
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Speaker 1: You're spending too much time on your own team for

585
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Speaker 1: six months to attempt to catch up, and then when

586
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Speaker 1: you attempt to catch up, you kind of end up.

587
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Speaker 1: Most guys probably cut some cornerstead of watching five games

588
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: on a guy, you got to bang them all out

589
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: in two months, you're watching one or two games. You

590
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Speaker 1: don't get a great feel. If you have confidence in

591
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Speaker 1: a John Schneider, in a Brett Veach, in a less

592
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Speaker 1: need let them do their job. They spend three hundred

593
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Speaker 1: and sixty five days even during the season, and I've

594
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Speaker 1: been in the you know, from Monday through Friday, the

595
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Speaker 1: general manager will spend some time. He go to practice,

596
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Speaker 1: evaluate his own team, watch free agents. He also watches

597
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Speaker 1: draft picks. I'm talking September through December during the week

598
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Speaker 1: right evaluate him like his scouts are doing monneling him.

599
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: So by the time the season ends or you get

600
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Speaker 1: to the playoffs, he's watched probably the top one hundred

601
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: and fifty two hundred guys on their draft board and

602
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: has a really good feel for him and has won

603
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: and has evaluated all the reports on their character. He

604
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: knows these guys pretty well. Where the coaches come in

605
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: kind of blind to the combine, meet the kid for

606
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Speaker 1: the first time, like how about this guy, it's like, well,

607
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: this guy can't really play. I know he's a great personality,

608
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: and it kind of gets convoluted that way. So these

609
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: best organizations are able to kind of split it. Or

610
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Speaker 1: even if the coach, if he's making twelve to eighteen

611
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Speaker 1: million dollars, he's the highest paid guy in the organization,

612
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Speaker 1: but he's willing to give, like, hey, we shouldn't do

613
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Speaker 1: this coach, and he listens, and anytime that you're not

614
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Speaker 1: willing to listen, Let's face it happens a lot around

615
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Speaker 1: the league, but Belichick wouldn't listen to anybody. Yeah, and

616
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Speaker 1: that that was a huge downfall for him. And he's

617
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: had really excellent personnel guys throughout his career in the building,

618
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Speaker 1: but he just won't listen. How he just will not.

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Speaker 2: One of his guys, Nick Cesaria Cazario, Casario, Yeah, New

620
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Speaker 2: England to Houston.

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Speaker 1: First draft, he aces, he's rushing. You're rushed it. Okay.

622
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Speaker 2: So let's I thought about this. So you're Russell Wilson.

623
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Speaker 2: You're a star in the Pacific Northwest, but you're kind

624
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Speaker 2: of geographically isolated. Then you're going to be the culture center.

625
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 2: You're going to be the man in Denver disaster. So

626
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 2: he has visited the New York Giants and the Steelers.

627
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: So I think he's a really good fit with Steelers.

628
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Speaker 2: He doesn't have to be the culture center. They've got Tomlin.

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Speaker 2: It's an organization that I think has historically drafted and

630
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Speaker 2: developed pretty well. They have some really nice personnel at

631
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Speaker 2: wide receiver, running back, tight end. You know, O line

632
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Speaker 2: is what it is. It's not terrible, it's not great,

633
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Speaker 2: And you think to yourself, that's a better fit than

634
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Speaker 2: the Giants. Could I argue this that go look at

635
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Speaker 2: the Super Bowls, go look at the playoffs. Defensive coaches,

636
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Speaker 2: they're not getting there? Is that the Giants. You're entering

637
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: great entry point. It's like being a morning show in

638
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: a radio station. You don't want to replace Howard Stern.

639
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: You want to replace like a guy that is awful,

640
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: and so any success feels big. So the Giants have

641
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: been irrelevant for about twelve years, roughly one double digit season,

642
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: twelve years. You have an offensive coach, you have a

643
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: very good left tackle, you have a star back, but

644
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: you actually have some pieces. You have a pass rusher,

645
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: you have a decent defense. I like the GM. Now

646
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: the coach is a lot, but he is an offensive

647
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: coach and we have seen him. I think Daniel Jones.

648
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: I think that he got into the playoffs is a

649
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: fairly remarkable achievement by any coach. Would you automatically say,

650
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 2: if you're Russell, take the Steelers better organization. Now they

651
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: don't have the same GM they had for years, So

652
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: it's a whole different ballgame in Pittsburgh now many suggest

653
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: Giant Steelers. Is it as cut and dried as we

654
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: think that Pittsburgh's the better fit.

655
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: I would be begging the Steelers to hand me that

656
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: one year veteran minimum contract assigned. I wouldn't touch the

657
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: Giants ten foot poll if I was Russell, from the

658
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: sense of he has no equity in that market. You

659
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: talked about a pressure cooker that if it's still ugly,

660
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: he would be getting crushed. That the magnifying glass on

661
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: that division, right, playing the Cowboys, playing the Eagles. Now,

662
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: Washington is going to be much more competitive. It's the

663
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: highest rated division in the league, so everyone's paying attention.

664
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: And if it continues to be ugly, I don't know

665
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: if their team is good enough to overcome that, and

666
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: it could really just it could end his career. Well,

667
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: I have a hard time even if he just is average. Now, well,

668
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: the Steelers have been competitive with below average quarterbacks, so

669
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: if he's just averaged, they could be competitive, right to me.

670
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: The Giants, I mean, Colin, they were really, really terrible

671
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: last year and they lost their quarterback to a torn

672
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: ACL It wasn't like every guy was hurt on the team.

673
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: There's an argument Daniel Saquan's probably gone a free agency.

674
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: You think, I guess, you never know. The owner could resign.

675
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: I said this last week on the show The Giants,

676
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones without safe one bark only Carolina's offense is

677
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: worse that that is a disaster.

678
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: That is the bottom of the well.

679
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, here's the thing about Pittsburgh that you know,

680
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: I go back to this. I really like their roster,

681
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: but and I tend to think that Tomlin sort of

682
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: lets players. I mean we've had Levan. I mean there's

683
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: like eight different players, including Big Bend, that were dramatic.

684
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: There's always drama. It's always with their offense. It's never

685
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: with their defensive players. It's always with So my takeaway

686
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: is Tomlin just not pay attention to offense. Which Russell

687
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: could say, great, I'll run it, or you know, he

688
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: walks into a building where they all their money. It's

689
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: they all spend it on defense. The number one defensive

690
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: spending team in the league. How do you view the

691
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: Steelers as a quarterback? You know, Kenny Pickett can't play,

692
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: we think, how do you view the Steelers as an

693
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: operation for a quarterback?

694
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: Well, to me, if I'm Kirk Cousins, I'd be very

695
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: interested there. I think that would be a place, right.

696
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Atlanta, I'm sure can give him more money,

697
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: but that's a place where you could win. And that

698
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: is I mean they have They've been, you know, kind

699
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: of a disaster relative to their standard, and they've still

700
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: been making the playoff. They've just been a one and

701
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: done team, so that they have a bunch of guys.

702
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: I mean they have really really high end players and TJ.

703
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: Wad makea Fitzpatrick. They have a second pass rusher, Cam

704
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: Hayward still around. Like you said, they always have skill guys.

705
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: The running back du Old Najee Harris really came on

706
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: at the end of the season, warn the little backs

707
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: really good, that war is good. There's a chance. What

708
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: if Russell's not really functional in this modern day NFL

709
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: and the way he's playing now, these coaches want you

710
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: to have more than the one readability and every single personime,

711
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: watch five guys come on your show last week, it's like,

712
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: well he won read all the guys around Denver. Watch

713
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: every play takes off and you watch him like, where's

714
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: this Russell? And maybe he was always doing it. He

715
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: was just such a spectacular athlete and such a you know,

716
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: instinctive playmaker. You get older, you're not quite as quick twitch,

717
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: you lose your confidence a little bit, and it's hard

718
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: to just maintain that style of play forever. Steve Young

719
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: said this thirty five years ago. To sustain quarterback play,

720
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: you've got to learn to play in the pocket, right

721
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: and that's how a lot of these guys play forever

722
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: in their older age where it feels like aged overnight

723
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: because you can't just run around and freelance. Well.

724
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: Also, it's pretty telling when Sean Payton took that job

725
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: he wanted it to work because he knew the ramifications

726
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: if Russell didn't, which is dead cap hell so, and

727
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: it felt like to me almost in camp, like it

728
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: didn't work. You know, stop kissing babies, were not doing

729
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 2: the I mean, Sean got real kurt and real short

730
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 2: with the media. So my takeaway was he's looking at

731
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: all this film. By the time camp, he's watched every

732
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: snap for Russell. In my take as Seawn just said,

733
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: this doesn't work.

734
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: I do think that lifetime, how many lifetime politicians ever

735
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: changed their tune. They always act like that, and Russell's

736
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: always kind of been this feels like a caricature of

737
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: something that he trying to put and maybe that's just

738
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: actually who he is. But he's been like this pretty

739
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: consistently now for a decade. I don't ever expect him

740
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: to just be Oh, he's one of the boys having

741
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: some beards with the old line at the at the

742
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: Burger Joint, like that's not where Tom and Peyton and

743
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: a lot of guys, I mean, josh Al and Lamar,

744
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: all these guys just really resonate with their teammates. Even

745
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: a huge thing with Jalen Hurts when they Wally Pip

746
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz was like, guys just liked them. And there's

747
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: always been this weird gap of like Russell's a little

748
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: more famous, why I can see him being interested in

749
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: New York, the brand, all that stuff that comes along

750
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: with it. And that's always feels like with Russell Wilson,

751
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: there's this kind of elements which when he's playing great,

752
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: who cares you deal with it? It? Drew drove Seattle a

753
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: little nuts, but they were always competitive. The moment that

754
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: turns it feels like I don't even want to deal

755
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: with I could see some of these teams listen, everyone

756
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: gets desperate. You eventually pull the trigger. But I don't know.

757
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: I mean, remember that once upon a time Cam Newton

758
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: was just sitting there in a summer. Are we sure

759
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's a lot to be signed by the end

760
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: of this week? I We'll see. I'm a very fascinated

761
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: to watch how this thing plays out well. And listen

762
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: for the first time in his life. Yeah, we kind

763
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: of want you. These teams aren't gonna be kissing his ass.

764
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: Well, you think about this, it's really somebody had a

765
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: good line. They said on my staff said, is he

766
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 2: more concerned with sponsorships than relationships? But there is never

767
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: been even for bad quarterbacks. Zach Wilson may not have

768
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: been popular. People didn't publicly hammer him. Jay Cutler was

769
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: a bit of a pill. People didn't publicly hammered Aaron Rodgers,

770
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: you know, prickly, very well liked by players. Russell got

771
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 2: hammered by Seahawk players. He just got hammered by Carl Mecklenberg.

772
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: Pete wanted it out. It didn't work with Peyton. That's

773
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: almost unheard of for a two Super Place one Trophy

774
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: quarterback where people taking I've never heard any teammate bag

775
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: on Tom Brady. I mean Peyton was intense.

776
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: I just some of this.

777
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 2: Like I said before, if there was a documentary tomorrowl

778
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: on Russell Wilson, you'd name it. There's something about Russ

779
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: whatever it is. It just Seattle had four different players

780
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: come out and take shots at him.

781
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: Well, we've seen a couple guys like guys that had

782
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: high end careers. When it ended it, it was clearly

783
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: they were holding on for dear life. Philip Rivers and

784
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, right, and Matt was done done. Philip was

785
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: not quite the same, but he was functional. They were

786
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: beloved in the Philip Rivers that one year in Indie.

787
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: You know Ballard, those guys loved him. And there you

788
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: either have it or you don't. When it comes to

789
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: interacting with people and the quarterback position. I think a

790
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: lot of these guys get it early on, like in

791
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: high school, maybe even junior high. That natural everyone's kind

792
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: of looking at him, and it just grows your confidence

793
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: and you're very comfortable doing it when you look at

794
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: the history like Dan Marino, just go throughout the list

795
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: of names guys drafted high not even like Hall of Famers,

796
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer, they just they just kind of get it.

797
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: The crew of guys we have right now, I mean,

798
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: how natural Josh Allen, Patrick, mahomes Lamar, their ability to

799
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: just the respect's even the wrong way to put it,

800
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 1: but like that's my guy all the whole. The kicker

801
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: says that, the d line says it all the offensive

802
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: guy's saying, and Russell's really kind of an outlier, high

803
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: end player. He's no longer, but even in his prime

804
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 1: where it didn't feel like everyone there's a gap there,

805
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: and I don't know what was missing. I don't know

806
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: the guy personally, but even the guys that know him

807
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: personally always felt like it's just weird. It's like, he's

808
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: not giving you his number. You got to call my

809
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: people's like, Russell, I'm sitting right next to you in

810
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: the locker room. It's so effin weird.

811
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles Fletcher Cox, great player. There was some erosion

812
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 2: last couple of years, he retires. Jason Kelsey not much

813
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 2: erosion at all. But if you play center and you're

814
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: the architect of the tush push that you age fast.

815
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 2: I don't love Philadelphia this year. First of all, there's

816
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: no proof, and I do like Jalen Hurts, but there's

817
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: two Jalen Hurts. There's the Shane Steichen calling plays Jalen Hurts.

818
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: Then there's the rest of his career, and there's a

819
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: lot of turnovers and a lot of average. They had

820
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: to hire two new coordinators. Sirianni to me feels at

821
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 2: times over as Skis you know the organization, well, you know,

822
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 2: I said, there's there's always The NFL is getting more

823
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: predictable because it's more quarterback coach centric. So Houston was

824
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: clearly a surprise.

825
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: They hitting the coach. They hit in a quarterback.

826
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: By and large, Cincinnati would have been good at erle plays.

827
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: There were no big surprises last year. I mean that

828
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: the Chargers went ass over Tea Kettle because of Brandon Staley,

829
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: but nobody liked him anyway. But and then Trevor Lawrence

830
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 2: got hurt. That was the Jags were playing with the

831
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: quarterback at about sixty percent strength. But we have minimum

832
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: four and on average six new playoff teams every season.

833
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 2: It's gotten as high as eight. I said, I think

834
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: Washington with cap space, could be an interesting team. If

835
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels comes in or Drake May and they can

836
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: play a little bit, it's gonna be some. They got

837
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: some good players. I don't love the feeling around Philadelphia now.

838
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: They'll pivot quickly if they're if they're struggling at Thanksgiving,

839
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: they'll make a move. So I don't I don't love

840
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: you're losing. It almost reminds me when the Patriots lost

841
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 2: Bruce Kei and Vrabel and you replace them with young guys.

842
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,959
Speaker 2: You're like, hey, these guys are good players. You lost

843
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 2: the soul of your team. And they Patriots, even with

844
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: Tommy came back the next year, they were just a

845
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 2: kind of a mistake plagued mess I don't love the

846
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: vibe for and I very pro Eagles on my show,

847
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: but I don't love the vibe I feel now your thoughts.

848
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: I think it's very, very difficult for any organization to

849
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: replace two guys that have a combined twenty five years

850
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: experience in the same building. Jesus both of them, I

851
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: would say, I mean Kelsey for sure, Fletcher as well.

852
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: I mean, guys are gonna get their numbers retired, be

853
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: up in the you know, on the stadium, ninety one

854
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: and sixty five or whatever number. Kelsey at sixty two, yea.

855
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: I think the the pressure you know, on the barbecue

856
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: Winslow went up to high on Jalen Hursts in terms

857
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: of not just display, but the leadership to run the organization.

858
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:31,479
Speaker 1: You had two guys, I mean Fletcher Cox the top

859
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: fifteen pick, so he was a highly touted guy, was

860
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: a really good player. Kelsey late Bloomer, but these guys

861
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: have ran the organization for the last seven eight years.

862
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: So you lose that that void, and then you're paying

863
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: the quarterback forty five million. The coach in a little

864
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: turmoil of like, okay, Sirianni, you got pressure on you

865
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: sometimes when you have a really good organization internally, right,

866
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: the Patriots had it forever. They had Tom but they

867
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: also had mccordy, Slater, high tower Edelman, like they had

868
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: a core. You start removing some of those guys, now

869
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: the pressure goes, Well, you lose Fletcher Cox. Okay, it's

870
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: on Jalen Carter that has a ton of question marks

871
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: just as a human let alone the player. Can't he

872
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: sustain Jordan Davis. These are two highly touted high picks. Okay,

873
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: can you guys become the next Fletcher Cox because he's

874
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: no longer around, right, and they always draft linemen, so

875
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, they have a really good player to

876
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: fill in for Jason kelcey, but it's not quite the

877
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: same his void that he leaves from, you know, just

878
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: verbally and anytime there's an issue, the reporters go to

879
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: those guys. They went to Fletcher Cox last year. When

880
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: everything was imploding, He's like screaming at the reporter, like,

881
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: calm down, that's bullshit. Kelsey always could just simmer the moment.

882
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: And in Philly you need that. Yeah, it's why the

883
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson thing in New York. I'm like that that

884
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: pressure is a lot different in Seattle and even Denver,

885
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: which is a high level organization in terms of its coverage,

886
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: it ain't New York and Philly is the ultimate. And

887
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: then you just to me, anytime you factor in a

888
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: huge quarterback contract, I think the pressure on Sirianni, but

889
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: I don't hear next year is just you. You could

890
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: argue that the combo right going into the season with

891
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: like mccarsony and Dak like the level of like, let's see,

892
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: this's just not you're not gonna fire hurts after the

893
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: season because of the contract. But we've seen them move

894
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: on fast from Wentz before. So he better played really well,

895
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: like a Pro Bowl level, or they're gonna have problems

896
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: and the leadership, it's not even just the play, like

897
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: everyone's now looking at you like it doesn't always feel

898
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: like he's super verbal on the sideline, right, And it

899
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: was reported that they're kind of working on that. Well,

900
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: now he does have a choice.

901
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think there is something. He's a bit undersized.

902
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: Two is a bit undersized. Kyler's a bit undersized. Russell

903
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: Wilson undersized two has been the only one that's acknowledged.

904
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

905
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: Times I have trouble seeing down the field a little bit,

906
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: so I think with Hertz. My two takeaways are the

907
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: undersized quarterback generally are not end up being the great

908
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 2: pocket quarterbacks of our time. Secondly, they get banged up

909
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: a little bit more because they have to create alleys

910
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 2: and they move more.

911
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I swear to God.

912
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: The li last two years, I'm not sure if Jalen

913
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: Hurts has had a three week stretcher he's been healthy.

914
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: I think he's always hurt. Well. The other thing is

915
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: last year after the contract, clearly he didn't run as much.

916
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: I mean it was because early on in his career.

917
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: It's one of his great attributes. He's not the fastest,

918
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: but he's very natural with the ball in his hands.

919
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: But I don't care who you are, whether you're built

920
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 1: like you know a little truck or whether you're super

921
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: skinny like Bryce Young. If you're running a lot, you're

922
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,479
Speaker 1: gonna get hit and you're gonna get hit hard. Yeah,

923
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: this league is not you know John Lynch and Steve

924
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: Atwater hitting you. These guys are still hitting you pretty

925
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: hard and they We've never had faster players on defense.

926
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: So clearly the wear and tear not enough typically to

927
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: like knock him out for a month. But I wonder

928
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: if he's just in a lot of pain. But how

929
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: do you balance. He's probably never gonna be I mean,

930
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: he's never gonna be a top two or three pocket

931
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: quarterback in the end is now. But when he's playing

932
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: really well, he's this hybrid player. What happens to all

933
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: these guys as they age a little bit and the

934
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: money comes in, they don't I don't even blame him.

935
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: I don't want to get tackled down the field, but

936
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: you have to do that to be a great player.

937
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: Like Lamar is pretty unique. He's so fast he can

938
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: avoid and he's really good at getting down. Most of

939
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: those guys don't have his like four to three.

940
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: Josh Allen is so big that he just likes and we'll.

941
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: See how long that's gonna last. That's right, right, So

942
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: I think Jalen I would just live in the moment,

943
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: and we got to run him, but be smart about it.

944
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: But I need him running a little bit more because

945
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: the pressure on their offense now this with removing Kelsey,

946
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to obviously be a lot better than

947
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: they were, and Kellen Moore had a lot of success

948
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: with a younger Dak you would assume Fangio, But like

949
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: you said, this organization they work at rapid speed. They

950
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: are not like, let's just give it a couple of years,

951
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: see how it goes like. They will pivot and they

952
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: will pivot fast. Yeah.

953
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: No, they're the opposite of the Steelers. They don't let

954
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: stuff bake. They're not really interested. That's why Pittsburgh's so

955
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: fascinating to me because you know, I mean, like I

956
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: remember talking to a general manager when Kenny Pickett was

957
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 2: coming out and he said, listen, Pittsburgh needs to find

958
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: a quarterback. He's the best one in a terrible quarterback class.

959
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: And I was told he was a top to a

960
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: middle of the third round guy. That's just what he is, Well,

961
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 2: that's what he looks like. He just he didn't have

962
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: a ton of confidence. You know, he's a classic. He

963
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 2: could win you a game if he had to start

964
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: for two mid season, but by and large God Mason

965
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 2: Rudolph came in and at least threw the ball to

966
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: the right people. It felt like he limited as he

967
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: is better arm talent. Got the ball to Pickens. It's like,

968
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: it's not that hard target that guy thirteen times, get

969
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 2: it to him nine, you're gonna score some points. So

970
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 2: you know, it's funny. Philadelphia is the kind of organization

971
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: after a while, you know, like the Rams are very progressive.

972
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: They are just always taking swings and that's just how

973
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 2: less need is. I know him pretty well. And McVeigh

974
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: that Stan cronky. They take big swings. Green Bay a

975
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 2: little more reluctant to do that stuff. Let it bake, Pittsburgh,

976
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 2: let it bake. You know, I was sitting there flying

977
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: it was in Chicago this weekend. As I flew back,

978
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: I thought, at least I know what those teams are like.

979
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: They have a you know, Rams, aggressive San Francisco, aggressive, Dallas.

980
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 2: They draft and pay their own. Pittsburgh, Green Bay they

981
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: let it bake. The Bears don't have an image and

982
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: so they really don't. And I was thinking about this

983
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: with Caleb Williams. Anybody with a functional brain. If your

984
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: kid was going it was a quarterback and star quarterback

985
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 2: and was going number one, you wouldn't pick the Bears.

986
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 2: But here's my thing that I think he's going to

987
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 2: end up looking a lot like Kyler Murray and Josh Allen.

988
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 2: Yere one where you're going to have no doubt in

989
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: your mind. He's an NFL franchise quarterback.

990
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: He's just going to lose a lot.

991
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: And that's kind of and a lot of that was

992
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: Kingsbury probably not a great head coach. Josh Allen, let's

993
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: be honest, he wasn't nearly as slick as Caleb coming

994
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 2: out of Wyoming. He was kind of a turnover pro

995
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 2: mess who completed fifty five percent of his throws. Give

996
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 2: me your belief. First of all, I think the division.

997
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: I think Green Bay, Minnesota and Detroit. The coaching staffs

998
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: are good. I'm sorry they are. I think Gbra Fluce

999
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 2: feels like a coordinator. Give me realistic numbers on Caleb

1000
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: Williams for a franchise again that doesn't even really have

1001
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 2: a brand since the eighties.

1002
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: I would say this their roster in one thing, just

1003
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: every single move that happened in the NFL. It's so

1004
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: evident that the money flowing in has allowed these teams

1005
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: to pay all these people so much money. I mean,

1006
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: the Bears make that trade for Sweat, immediately pay him.

1007
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: Then they franchise Jalen Johnson and immediately give him a

1008
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: ton of money. Their talent on defense is pretty good.

1009
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: I mean we saw them down the stretch. Defensively, they're

1010
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: pretty solid. They have DJ or if they have some

1011
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: solid offensive lineman after last draft. I think the question

1012
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: just is the organizational pressure on the coach that if

1013
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: you start a little slow, because anytime listen, he was

1014
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,479
Speaker 1: losing games last year at USC tight games like it's hard.

1015
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: I mean, their team's not going to be as loaded

1016
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: offensively as a lot of the teams are going to play.

1017
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean Green Bay and Detroit are clearly better. So

1018
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: what happens if they start three and five? Is there

1019
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: pressure to fire ebra Flus in the are they already

1020
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: going another coach? I would say, I think he's going

1021
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: to be pretty solid because a lot like a young

1022
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts and some of these young they'll just run around,

1023
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: so you can he's not going to be afraid to

1024
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: do it. He was doing it all last year. Yeah,

1025
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: So as long as he's willing to do that, he

1026
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: can make plays because his arm is so great outside

1027
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: of the pocket. And that's an attribute that he brings

1028
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: to the table immediately is the scramble ability not to run.

1029
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: But Deshaun Watson had this early in his career and

1030
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: he does not have the arm that Caleb Williams has.

1031
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: He would Russell made a career out of this scramble

1032
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage to keep a play alive

1033
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: and then hit a big playoff. I think that's what

1034
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 1: he's going to have to make a killing on early

1035
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: and luckily he can't. And that's where a lot of

1036
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: players they look good early on DeShawn Russell and then

1037
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: as it goes on, they don't want to keep playing

1038
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: like that, and it's like can you And if he

1039
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: can develop into it, then he'll be a top ten quarterback.

1040
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 1: If he can't, and there's some questions some people think

1041
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: he's not good in the construct of an offense. You

1042
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: watch all the sc games last year, I think it

1043
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: was such a mess. It's hard to even I know

1044
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: physically he has the gifts. People think he's pretty solid.

1045
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of pushback about his team

1046
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: and the brand and the money. Well, it's college football now.

1047
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: I mean he's been how much Kayleb Williams make the

1048
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: last couple of years ten million. If if I was

1049
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: making ten million as a college kid, I'd need a

1050
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: team too. I don't know what's going on.

1051
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,959
Speaker 2: This is where I really If you take the top

1052
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 2: four or five teams in college football over the last

1053
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: several years, Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, Alabama, take those kind

1054
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 2: of teams, you can argue only one USC player beyond

1055
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 2: Cal Williams would have started for those teams offensively Jordan Addison.

1056
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 2: And on Ohio State. They have so many good receivers,

1057
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 2: he may not have been the Number one is that

1058
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 2: when people look at those numbers at US see there

1059
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 2: is a sense that they have this this they really

1060
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: have had very average. I mean, Jerry Rice's kid is

1061
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 2: probably a fourth or a fifth round receiver.

1062
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: Really worked hard.

1063
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: Absolutely an NFL player doesn't really separate, but in the

1064
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: league now plays zone. Everybody in the league plays zone.

1065
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 2: So he's a smart kid. He finds openings. He's got

1066
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 2: a little pooka and akool where he's strong physically in

1067
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 2: zone coverages. Dad's a legend. He's a smart kid. He

1068
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 2: always finds Crevice's That's right. Puka is big, and Puka

1069
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: in his own league because Puka is not a huge separator.

1070
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 2: The truth is Puka just finds good hands and find

1071
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: space then breaks tackles and break sackles.

1072
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: So does Cooper.

1073
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: Covers have big receivers and Brennan Rice is strong. But

1074
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 2: that's where I'll defend Caleb is that he had one

1075
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 2: star player, like one high end player he was carrying.

1076
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: I mean, Arizona.

1077
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: Arguably should have won that game.

1078
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 2: Arizona had more high end offensive players than USC. Arizona

1079
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 2: Wildcats a basketball school. So I think it's gonna work.

1080
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna look a little bit like Josh

1081
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 2: Allen or sometimes he's running just to run and it'll

1082
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: look a little He'll be a combination of both. He'll

1083
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 2: be a better kyer, was a better thrower right out

1084
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: of the gate than Josh. Josh was just bigger, stronger

1085
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: and insane. I think he's gonna be a hybrid. He's

1086
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:33,479
Speaker 2: gonna be a little bit of both.

1087
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: I do think a lot of times when you get

1088
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: drafted with the first overall pick. Yeah, you go to

1089
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: a team even if it has an offensive piece or two.

1090
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: The Panthers were kind of an outlier. They had nothing.

1091
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: The defense usually stinks, so you have to do like

1092
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: their defense could be pretty good, right, I mean they

1093
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: got some high end defensive players. Eva Flus might not

1094
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: be a great head coach, but he's a pretty good

1095
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: defensive coach. Yes, so what if they're just it might

1096
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: not be on his shoulders like it is a lot

1097
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: of times with these young quarterbacks because their defense is

1098
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: getting shredded on a weekly basis. So maybe it's actually

1099
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: gonna be a little easier in the sense that his

1100
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: defense in the pros is gonna be way better anything

1101
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: he experienced in college Oklahoma or USC.

1102
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: How about this too, The Lions will probably have to

1103
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: give GoF a bigger deal. Jordan Love's gonna get paid.

1104
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 2: So those defenses. That's not a great defensive division now.

1105
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 2: So the best defense next year arguably will be the

1106
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: one Caleb Williams faces at practice. So once you pay golf,

1107
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 2: you can't go out and spend the money. And by

1108
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: the way, most of the really really good players for

1109
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: Detroit amor On Saint Brown, Piney Sewell, Goff Swift.

1110
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: You'll pay three years.

1111
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 2: You're gonna retain your offensive players. They don't have Hutchison

1112
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 2: as the one defensive guy you'd pay. So my take

1113
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: is Caleb's coming into division. He may have to win

1114
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 2: by shootout, but this is not going to be the

1115
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 2: AFC North, you know, or like when Matt you know,

1116
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 2: or honestly when Tua came in, or you know, I

1117
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: mean you had Belichick twice a year. You've got McDermott.

1118
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: You know.

1119
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 2: At one point, hell Brian Flores was in that division.

1120
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 2: It's like, oh Jesus, that's Those are tough matchups. So

1121
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 2: I think Caleb's going to go in a division where

1122
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: most of the talent it's an all star team. Offensively,

1123
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: there's not seven great defensive players in that conference. And

1124
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 2: I think Sweat and Jalen Johnson are two of.

1125
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: Them for sure. I mean, they're really good. One thing

1126
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: last week, I didn't watch that much LSU during the season,

1127
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: and I just flipped on. I wanted to watch the

1128
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: wide receiver Malik Nabors, who's supposed to be a top

1129
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,959
Speaker 1: ten player, and obviously with the quarterback, I came away

1130
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,919
Speaker 1: thinking Jayden Daniels. Jeez, he actually really good pocket touch,

1131
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: big arm, big time athlete. I started texting around to

1132
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: a couple of college directors. I said, is this the

1133
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: number two quarterback prospect? And every single one of them

1134
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: hit me back, Yeah, what it's all said and done.

1135
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: They think he's because it gets back to is he's

1136
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: going to be a great NFL player. Nobody knows, right,

1137
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: but you might as well take the guy with the

1138
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: more physical gifts. He's got a big arm, he's really

1139
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: accurate this year, and he can move now. He's you

1140
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: can tell he's really skinny, he refused to wag. But

1141
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: he's tall. He's like six ' four exactly. So if

1142
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: over the next couple of years he can get up

1143
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 1: to two o five two ten, let's say I'm assuming

1144
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: maybe low one nineties right now, it'd be fine. And

1145
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: he's really fast, but again, arm wise, very accurate, throws

1146
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: a very beautiful deep ball, and has a powerfulm So

1147
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: I came away thinking that guy that there are actually

1148
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: some similarities there. I wanted to hate him just because

1149
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: what I watched at ASU was so ugly. Sometimes you

1150
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: get that initial you watch him play a couple of

1151
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: games like this guy couldn't play, and then you watch

1152
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: him what he did this year with Brian Kelly in

1153
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: a real operation, Like this kid looks like a star. Yeah,

1154
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: obviously he won the Heisman, But from an NFL prospect,

1155
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: I wonder if the gap clearly Caleb's gonna go one.

1156
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: But I think physically he brings a lot to the table.

1157
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: He's not as thick as Caleb, right, I mean Caleb is.

1158
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: But he's almost almost foreign taller, taller, much easier for

1159
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 2: him to see. Yeah, he didn't have much to work

1160
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: with at Arizona State. He played with a running back.

1161
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: It was kind of you know, it was Herm Edwards,

1162
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 2: so it was most of the attention in the athletes.

1163
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 2: Uh Antonio appears and her Edwards were on the defensive side.

1164
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: He had a running back that was pretty good. He

1165
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 2: didn't have a ton to work with, so o line

1166
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: wasn't very good. But I remember when he went from

1167
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 2: Arizona State to LSU. I went on the Herd on

1168
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 2: FS one and Fox Sports Radio, and I remember saying

1169
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: he's good, he can play. I remember his first couple

1170
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 2: of games. My daughter went to Arizona State, so I

1171
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: was kind of like you know, I and I knew her,

1172
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 2: so I was kind of like, I don't watch this,

1173
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 2: and Jesus was he I remember this first start in college.

1174
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, Arizona State games are at night

1175
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 2: because it's so hot, so you have to make it.

1176
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 2: You have to make a point to watch him. They

1177
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: don't like fall into your lap. There's no day games, right,

1178
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: So I would stay up and watch them, and I

1179
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: was like, shit, man, he may wait, he may wait

1180
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 2: one sixty, but he throw. If you go back to

1181
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 2: his first year starting, he had total pois. He absolutely

1182
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 2: looked like the best freshman quarterback in the conference. So

1183
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 2: now you give him LSU's protection and you give him

1184
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 2: an offensive coach, so you know, you know, sometimes you

1185
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 2: look back and you go, yeah, of course Lamar Jackson

1186
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 2: was going to be good. He was moving all over

1187
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: the field against Clemson. I think you're gonna look at

1188
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels and go. He was moving up and down

1189
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 2: the field against SEC defenses.

1190
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if he saw this story, but I

1191
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: was looking a couple hours ago that Bob Myers was

1192
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: in the UH went to the Combine and was in

1193
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: the interviews for the quarterbacks. Did you see that, and

1194
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: I can't imagine a little Warrior jenf. Yeah, the former

1195
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: WARGM who helped them consulted with Rick Spielman to kind

1196
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: of hire Adam Peters and Dan Quinn. I think a

1197
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: lot of people in the NFL that air natural reaction

1198
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: would be like, what the fuck's this guy doing in there?

1199
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: And then I started thinking, we kind of knows what

1200
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: it looks like, right, what guys sound like, what makes

1201
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: them tick. He's been around I don't know. I mean,

1202
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: one of the greatest NBA players and one of the

1203
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: greatest athletes of all time, and Draymond and Clay i'd

1204
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: say had pretty unique careers from a success standpoint. I

1205
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: was like, I think Washington, it's gonna piss some people

1206
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: off because the way they're doing it's a little differently

1207
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: with Bob Myers and thinking outside that, I think they

1208
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: got a lot of high level people around that building.

1209
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 2: They're my surprise picking the league. Nick, They're my Houston.

1210
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna I could see Jayden Daniels good draft.

1211
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: They got some money, buy some players. They already have

1212
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 2: some young talent, right, they got some draft picks, trade

1213
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 2: and Chase Young trade and sweats. If they have a

1214
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,439
Speaker 2: good draft and the quarterback is just solid. He doesn't

1215
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 2: even need to be c. J.

1216
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: Stroud, But it's just in the running for like a

1217
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year type player. Why couldn't they be

1218
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: eight to ten wins right away?

1219
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 2: You're seeing Philadelphia losing some of these Verbel, Bruski, Hart

1220
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: and soul guys Kelsey, Fletcher Cox. Dallas is going to

1221
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 2: become very top heavy because they're gonna pay Dak, Mike C.

1222
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 2: D Lamb everybody else. I mean, there's just and you know,

1223
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: Dallas is very reticent to go pay somebody outside the building.

1224
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 2: They loved them draft and pay their people.

1225
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: That's why. And they never have any money for free

1226
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: agency to their team. They always pay their own guys. Yep.

1227
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: And then I think the Giants are a mess. I

1228
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 2: just don't think. I again, I'll say it, Brian Dable

1229
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 2: getting Daniel Jones into the playoffs and we're gonna look

1230
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 2: at that in about a year when Daniel's not a

1231
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 2: starter and just coach Jesus so no, I think, and

1232
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 2: you know the reality of this league is if Jayden

1233
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 2: can play, and again, a lot of starts two different conferences,

1234
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 2: two different styles of quarterbacks. To your point, he moves

1235
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: most of these guys that move well by themselves. About

1236
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 2: two years of the light going on, Russell Wilson, show

1237
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 2: you this, all these running quarterbacks, Mahomes said, year three

1238
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 2: the light went on, You're like, oh, everything slows down. Well,

1239
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 2: that's why pocket guys like Mac Jones. No, you don't

1240
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: get those two years. That's Jared Goff, by the way,

1241
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 2: his first year when he had a bad old line,

1242
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 2: couldn't run save his life. So I think I think Jaden,

1243
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: even if he's not great in the pocket, will move enough.

1244
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 2: They're going to buy some offensive line pieces. Terry McLaurin.

1245
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 2: They got some backs. I like, that's my surprise team.

1246
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: And again.

1247
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: They brought the guy Adam Peters from San Francisco, who

1248
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 2: I know of but don't know. But when's the last

1249
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 2: time somebody came out of that Niners operation? The Rams

1250
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:17,959
Speaker 2: and the Niners McVan shanahan. They hire guys hang around

1251
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 2: for a few years now. Brandon Staley didn't work as

1252
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 2: a head coach, but by and large the hit rate

1253
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 2: on Niners and Rams assistants and people in the building,

1254
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 2: and not a lot of failures.

1255
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: Almost all these guys hit well because you can't function

1256
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: in the building. You know. One it's a little more inclusive, right,

1257
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: It's got some and Andy Reid characteristics, like everyone's communicating

1258
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: with each other, and clearly you just you're around teams

1259
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: that are pretty high level at a lot of different positions,

1260
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: so you know exactly what it looks like. Didn't you

1261
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: think I mentioned this earlier? But the amount of money

1262
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: these teams are thrown around. I mean, the Bears just

1263
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: probably gave out sixty seventy million dollars over when they

1264
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: signed Sweat and then Jalen Johnson. And they are not

1265
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: some big money team with just Dallas cowboy you know,

1266
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: David Tepper level money sitting in the bank account. Everyone

1267
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: has so much money now in the NFL that I

1268
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: want to give Baker Mayfield fifty You don't even think

1269
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: about it. And historically in football, people were half the

1270
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: teams in the league were hesitant to give these big numbers.

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Speaker 1: They didn't want to get stuck. Now no one's like,

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Speaker 1: oh it doesn't work, We'll move on next year. The

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Speaker 1: money flowing with this television deal has made the league,

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Speaker 1: which is good for fans. Most players. If the team

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Speaker 1: wants to keep them, they stay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what I said. I mean, ninety five

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Speaker 2: million guaranteed to Chris Jones, who's probably at the end,

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Speaker 2: near the end of his peak. He's probably got one

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Speaker 2: or two peak years. But I do think when I

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Speaker 2: looked at the salary cap move up because the gambling

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Speaker 2: money and the TV revenue, by take was this is

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Speaker 2: really going to help the good teams. So Baltimore has

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Speaker 2: that defensive lineman, they're.

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Speaker 1: Just sway, give eighty million, No big deal.

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Speaker 2: Chris Jones, You're like, God, Dawn, do we pay him?

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Speaker 2: All the good teams? I mean, you know, it's like

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Speaker 2: Aaron Donald the Rams go back and forth. Aaron Donald

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Speaker 2: was the number two interior defensive linemen according to PFF.

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Speaker 2: It's like he maybe kind of the Brady of defense,

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Speaker 2: like like Fletcher Cox. You could see erosion.

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I thought last year.

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Speaker 2: I was like, if the Rams get another pass rusher

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Speaker 2: on the draft on the edge, so it's harder and

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Speaker 2: harder because the first kid worked. Aaron Donald looks like

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Speaker 2: he is still a top three defensive lineman in the league.

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Speaker 2: So I think, to your point, the money's just flowing now.

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Speaker 2: And we've talked about this before. Is the NFL is

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Speaker 2: so big now it really feels like hockey in Canada.

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Speaker 2: Everything else is just a stepchild. It's English Premier League

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Speaker 2: in London like nothing else. They have cricket, they have tennis.

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Speaker 2: It just doesn't matter. And I think I think gambling

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Speaker 2: has I know at Fox, people don't turn off bad

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Speaker 2: games anymore. You stick around nobody these bad games used

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Speaker 2: to have they'd fall off the cliff.

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Speaker 1: They don't.

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Speaker 2: They just stay. And also the earth thing is the

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Speaker 2: big brands. Green Bay's good again. If Chicago gets good,

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Speaker 2: Philadelphia is always good. The Niners are good, the Cowboys

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Speaker 2: are you know, they're winning twelve games with Dak. The

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Speaker 2: Steelers underachieved, but they're okay right now. You got a

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Speaker 2: lot of Midwest teams hitting, which is you know, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I just look at the NFL and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I remember five, six, seven years ago when I was

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Speaker 2: hearing these Northeast sports writers say the CT to the

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Speaker 2: end of football in America, and I'm like, guys, stop

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Speaker 2: going to baseball games. Football is not going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Well, this next week is the NFL free agency, which

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Speaker 1: is big but I actually think it's kind of the

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Speaker 1: opening act for the draft. I mean, can you imagine

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Speaker 1: how big the draft rating is going to be Chicago, Washington,

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Speaker 1: and Boston Draft one, two, three? I mean, think how many?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I bet it's gonna fifteen plus million people

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Speaker 1: are going to be watching night Thursday night, right, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I bet you that might be low. It might be

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Five Thursday Night. Draft Night will be nights of the

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Speaker 2: NBA Finals.

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Speaker 1: No question, easily, honestly it might. With those big brands

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Speaker 1: drafting high and he stretches it out for thirty five minutes,

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Speaker 1: might be twenty five plus million people watching the first

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Speaker 1: hour of the NFL Draft. It's just gonna be in safe.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait for it.

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Speaker 2: John Middlcoff, former NFL scout is podcast is three and out.

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Speaker 2: We do this for an hour or so tonight We

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Speaker 2: went over it, which is great.

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Speaker 1: Good see anybody. Like I said, keep an eye on

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers. I think they're gonna be pretty.

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Speaker 2: Good the volume. Thanks so much for listening. If you've

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