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Speaker 1: Triple Take, presented by U P m C. I'm Mike
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Speaker 1: about edge rushers. Man, this was a fun evaluation and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of these guys, uh Man. I guess
Speaker 1: just a natural evolution. If college football they're just gonna
Speaker 1: throw it all over the yard, then you're gonna rush
Speaker 1: the passer and figure out ways to do At football,
Speaker 1: defenses are figuring out how to rush the pass or
Speaker 1: off the edge. Yeah, and we did the defensive tackle
Speaker 1: Triple Take and you mentioned, boy, how freaky those guys
Speaker 1: are and you just watch a combine. Well, this group
Speaker 1: takes it up to another level. And I think this
Speaker 1: is the strongest position in the entire draft. And to
Speaker 1: be honest, I think there's eight edge guys that are
Speaker 1: gonna deserve first round consideration, and five of them might
Speaker 1: even go in the first half of the first round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a crazy talented position this year. And and
Speaker 1: a lot of times you see these guys and we've
Speaker 1: had the kind of project. Well he has he he
Speaker 1: has all these measurables, but he didn't have the the
Speaker 1: production we've seen some of those guys in recent years.
Speaker 1: These guys both had the just ridiculous they displayed at
Speaker 1: the combine and also had a lot of production in college.
Speaker 1: So it's it's a really fun evaluation. And it wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me not having seen your guys list before we
Speaker 1: we've done this, um the list that you two put together.
Speaker 1: If we have about we mentioned about eight guys, as
Speaker 1: Matt mentioned in in this talk, in our each of
Speaker 1: our top five year. Yeah, it's and and they're really
Speaker 1: fun to uh watch the highlights and the way these
Speaker 1: guys play with the energy and the amazing closing speed
Speaker 1: and aggression that they display. Uh. A lot of teams
Speaker 1: are gonna get get fat on defense in this draft.
Speaker 1: It's a good year to Nita pass Rushier. Matt. Let's
Speaker 1: start with you because you and I have the same
Speaker 1: number five. Uh. Georgia guy once removed Jermaine Johnson, the
Speaker 1: second of Florida State who left Georgia and then blew
Speaker 1: it up for Florida State in the A c C.
Speaker 1: I could see watching that Georgia defense why he left
Speaker 1: and went somewhere else. But boy, he played with the
Speaker 1: Georgia defender type of dominance and production and impact. This
Speaker 1: year it didn't he Yeah, And I don't hold it
Speaker 1: transfer against him at all. I mean, considering the team
Speaker 1: he left, the defense he left. He was a dominant
Speaker 1: player for Florida State this year. He may have been
Speaker 1: the best player at the Senior Bowl. He's long, he's thick,
Speaker 1: he's very physical. He's already a great run defender. I
Speaker 1: mean he puts his hands on you and really stuns you,
Speaker 1: but can also run around you. A lot of energy,
Speaker 1: a lot of physicality from Johnson. And you've got Treyvon
Speaker 1: Walker of GEI Yeah, he's one of the guys that
Speaker 1: kind of forced Jermaine Johnson to to transfer and and
Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker uh two hundred seventy two pounds at the
Speaker 1: NFL scouting combine ran a four five. I mean that's
Speaker 1: just unheard of. Uh. You know, he had sacks in
Speaker 1: both the college playoff games last season and wins over
Speaker 1: Michigan and Alabama. You know, so that that's production against
Speaker 1: high level competition, and that would be Michigan, Mike, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I thought you might have forgotten about that.
Speaker 1: But he's big enough to take on tackles in the
Speaker 1: run game, but he's fast enough to beat them around
Speaker 1: the edge. He just turned twenty one in December, which
Speaker 1: I think matters. I mean, this is still a young,
Speaker 1: ascending player. And you know, you have it's it's a
Speaker 1: nice marriage of skill and in athleticism. And you've got Dale,
Speaker 1: You've got Jermaine Johnson. Number four, Matt, you went with
Speaker 1: David A. Jabo of Michigan, the uh guy from what
Speaker 1: is it Nigeria Villa Scotland. I forget his path exactly.
Speaker 1: That's the one that's it. That's it, that is and
Speaker 1: real quick, I'm gonna I have Trayvon Walker three, who
Speaker 1: Dale just talked about, and the Jabo and Walker to me,
Speaker 1: I don't know what they don't know yet. I mean
Speaker 1: as terms of pass rushers, they don't have really any plan.
Speaker 1: They just kind of come off the ball and are
Speaker 1: a better athlete than those around them and still make
Speaker 1: all kinds of plays. And Ojabo is very raw and
Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of oh Way from Penn State
Speaker 1: who went to the Ravens at the end of the
Speaker 1: for round, except he had yeah, right, like seven four.
Speaker 1: He's got all the traits, but he also produced for
Speaker 1: in the Big ten where oh wait, didn't um again.
Speaker 1: Very flexible, all sorts of multiple clay here and he
Speaker 1: plays hard. Yeah. He had two two and a half
Speaker 1: sacks against Wisconsin last year. You know, Wisconsin is known
Speaker 1: for their offensive lineman. He had to two sacks eaching
Speaker 1: games against Michigan State and Penn State last year. I
Speaker 1: mean that that's high level production against against well, some
Speaker 1: of those are pretty good teams. Yeah, I've got George
Speaker 1: carl Off to superdue is my number four. Uh. This guy,
Speaker 1: this guy impresses me with athleticism and with power. He
Speaker 1: can you can you can walk the blocker back into
Speaker 1: the quarterback, actually shove him back into the quarterback. He
Speaker 1: can win with speed rush. Uh made a lot of
Speaker 1: really reactionary plays, tip picks and blocking kicks and athletic
Speaker 1: type of things, a little bit of a history of
Speaker 1: past rush superdue. So I went with him there. And
Speaker 1: now you guys can tell me where I'm wrong here,
Speaker 1: because I've been listening since mid season about how Aidan
Speaker 1: Hutchinson is maybe the first overall pick, and uh, he's
Speaker 1: at least the first or second overall pick. And uh,
Speaker 1: he's the best this, and he's the best at He's
Speaker 1: a highmar Trophy runner up guy, and I ain't seen it.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he is not a very good
Speaker 1: player in a group of very good players. But I
Speaker 1: almost put him three on my list just on principle. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, great game against Ohio State, three sacks and
Speaker 1: that was Michigan's biggest win in ten years. But I
Speaker 1: see him as one of many not heading shoulders above
Speaker 1: Matt What am I not seeing? No? Agree, It doesn't
Speaker 1: shock me that you'd say that considering his on the mater,
Speaker 1: But I feel the same way that serious I'm down
Speaker 1: the middle on that. I mean, I was, I was
Speaker 1: banging the Devin Bus term a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: If I see a player, I see a player. But
Speaker 1: I just maybe I heard one too many times how
Speaker 1: great this guy is. I don't know. I just it
Speaker 1: seems like he got anointed, and that's everybody's story and
Speaker 1: they're sticking to it. Yeah, honestly, I have him closer
Speaker 1: to Jermaine Johnson or car Loft this than I do
Speaker 1: the clear number one, even though he is number one
Speaker 1: on my board, and again, this class is awesome, but
Speaker 1: he's not Chase Young or a Bosa brother or Miles Garrett. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's a very good player. I think he's
Speaker 1: safety player. I'm not. I didn't come here. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't come in to bury him, but I just to me,
Speaker 1: he's one of many, not but one and then everybody else.
Speaker 1: That's this entire draft, though, guys, is it not. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we're still talking about who the number one
Speaker 1: overall pick is going to be because there's not a
Speaker 1: clear cut number one guy. The one thing I'll say
Speaker 1: about Aiden Hutchinson that really stood out to me was
Speaker 1: his six seven three uh three cone drill at the
Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine. It's the third fascist for any player
Speaker 1: to combine for any player not not defensive lineman or
Speaker 1: edge guys, any player six seventh three is special. M
Speaker 1: his first ten yards are really good. In the forty
Speaker 1: two he has he does have some burst and things
Speaker 1: like that for sure. UM a little bit short armed,
Speaker 1: he can play a little high. He's a really good prospect.
Speaker 1: But I'm with you, Mike, I don't think he's a
Speaker 1: special prospect. Yeah, so I kind of put him three
Speaker 1: just to just to put them three. I've got I've
Speaker 1: got Cavon Thibodeau from Oregon is my number two. Uh, Dale,
Speaker 1: you've got the same guy number two, and Matt, you've
Speaker 1: got the same guy number two. And it seemed like
Speaker 1: it made a little bit of a ruffle when he
Speaker 1: ran at the combine but didn't work out. But man,
Speaker 1: I think this guy's really, really good. And one of
Speaker 1: the reasons they said he didn't work out at the
Speaker 1: combine is he wants to do the linebacker drills and
Speaker 1: the defensive line drills at Oregon's pro day. This guy
Speaker 1: could be an outside linebacker dropping back, or he could
Speaker 1: be an edge rusher. Yeah. I mean, I mean that's
Speaker 1: that's really all these guys if you look at them,
Speaker 1: because of the size that they had, there aren't any
Speaker 1: There aren't any of these two forty pound guys here.
Speaker 1: These guys are all two fifty plus. Uh TOI those
Speaker 1: two fifty four. Uh, there's a lot of upside there.
Speaker 1: He just turned twenty one in December, so again you're
Speaker 1: getting a guy who is still ascending as a player.
Speaker 1: And Mike, to your point, I think he's best, you know,
Speaker 1: playing out a two point stands, you know, sort of
Speaker 1: a Steeler outside linebacker type. Yeah. And I brought that
Speaker 1: up because I mean, Hutchinson, you're not gonna have him
Speaker 1: dropping back. He's coming off to you. He's going forward,
Speaker 1: not backward. Uh My Number one, you guys supposed to
Speaker 1: have Hutchinson. I picked Treyvon Walker. And here's why I
Speaker 1: did it. UHDL you mentioned the ridiculous time in the
Speaker 1: forty Here's what Daniel Jeremiah had to say about him
Speaker 1: during the combine quote. A creative defensive coordinator is gonna
Speaker 1: look at Treyvon Walker and say the world has completely
Speaker 1: opened up. You can play him inside, outside, you can
Speaker 1: rush him, drop him, you can play him on the ball,
Speaker 1: off the ball. You want to be able to give
Speaker 1: quarterbacks different looks and not show your hand. A chess
Speaker 1: piece like that allows you to play that way. I'm
Speaker 1: in Yeah, I don't disagree with it, But to you
Speaker 1: guys point earlier, I mean, the difference between number one
Speaker 1: and number five in this group really not much, not
Speaker 1: much at all. I mean, these guys are all first
Speaker 1: round guys and probably top fifteen to eight team pick guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what we're talking about here. They're gonna
Speaker 1: go quick. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it is the uh.
Speaker 1: I guess we're all agree with the strength position of
Speaker 1: what is very very deep draft without you know, forget
Speaker 1: that there's not that marquee quarterback guy. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of talent to be had. Absolutely. I just think that,
Speaker 1: you know that. I think defensively, this draft is maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit of a game changer. Might not have
Speaker 1: the star power of some previous drafts, but you're gonna
Speaker 1: be getting guys and you know, into the third and
Speaker 1: fourth rounds who have an opportunity to come in and
Speaker 1: start right away for a lot of teams. Yeah, Predicting
Speaker 1: who next year's defensive Rookie of the Year is gonna
Speaker 1: be Is oh Man select with that he used to be.
Speaker 1: You comes in the league, I who win it? You know? Likewise,
Speaker 1: it would be the same way for the offensive Rookie
Speaker 1: of the Year because there's no quarterback. Yeah, are you
Speaker 1: guys sure they haven't given that defensive award to Hutchinson yet?
Speaker 1: Pretty sure? Yeah? He probably will learn if that's gonna
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