1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by the 3 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: one and only Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: from our studios at lambeau Field and West. Since we 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: last spoke, the Packers conducted their first full pads practice. 6 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: Monday was just a shoulder pads practice. Tuesday was full 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: pads And the biggest thing that stood out to me, 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: and I think you would agree with me as well, 9 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: is we saw one of those days where the progress, 10 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: the development um of quarterback Jordan's Love was on display. 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just a couple of really, really good quality, 12 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: impressive throws that he made, but it was that he did. 13 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: He executed a couple of those throws in the blitz 14 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: period where the defense was coming after him. He had 15 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: guys in his face, and now, of course he can't 16 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: get hit, but he stood in there and delivered. And 17 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: I thought, Tuesday's practice We're gonna see obviously more in 18 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: the preseason games coming up here in August, but Tuesday's 19 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: practice was a significant step forward, I think for Jordan's Love. 20 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: And Love had such an interesting first week of training 21 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: camp because you and I were remarking going into what 22 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: would be Monday, you know, he was pretty like steady, 23 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: quiet but really steady, yeah, and no issues in that regard. 24 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: And then he has that two minute period during Monday's 25 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: practice where three plays in he gets picked up by 26 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: Vernon Scott to play that. You know, he admits he 27 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: wanted back not not the way you want to end practice. 28 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: I mean that's the kind of thing that that had 29 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: to stick with Jordan's love, you know, all through the 30 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: rest of Monday, until he could get back on the 31 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: field Tuesday, that interception, and yet he responded, he answered 32 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: the call. He really did. And it was a day 33 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: in which there was a lot of pressure. It was 34 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: just the blitz is or just a little bit of 35 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: you know, you know, breakdowns on the line where he 36 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: had some pass rushers in his face. Matt wellfre said, 37 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: you know, if it was a game situation, he's not 38 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: sure whether or not he would have been able to 39 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: get it off or not. But that being said, he 40 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: stood and delivered the football. He did it with authority. 41 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: Love talked to his locker for a long time on Tuesday, 42 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: but it was really Aaron Rodgers in his session where 43 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: they were talking about Tom Clements and the kind of 44 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: the difference he's made the Packers long time quarterbacks coach 45 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: you returned this offseason, and the stress on fundamentals and 46 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: how he feels like that's sort of rubbing off on 47 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: love now. And he mentioned that it wasn't just if, 48 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: for example, that that deep over route that he was 49 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: able to hit Sammy Watkins on the one that basically 50 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: everybody said was sort of his best play, uh in 51 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: terms of really being able to make a downfield throw 52 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: and make it accurately, but it was the way in 53 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: which his his footwork was in sync with everything. And 54 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: as Rogers sort of explained, when you're lining up and 55 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: there's no waste in motion at all the throw in 56 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: some ways almost it kind of makes it for you. 57 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: And that's what happened on that play with Watkins. Later 58 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: on in practice, you know that they were able to 59 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: I think he had the pass also to Dobbs if 60 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: I remember correctly, that was him that threw that in 61 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: the end zone, right, Yeah, it was love to Dobbs 62 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: with with Rico Gafford right on him, and Dobbs was 63 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: able to snag it and and get both feed in 64 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: right by the pylon. Offense had a nice celebration after that. 65 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: So like and as Matt laf said, in three years now, 66 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: three camps of working with Love, this is potentially one 67 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: of his very best. And to me again, we always 68 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: hold that June nine practice and mini camp up as 69 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: sort of the gold standard of love, but this wasn't 70 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: that far off of it. The young man came to play. Yeah, absolutely, 71 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: and a couple of things that that I really liked 72 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: and that were somewhat educational for me as well. One 73 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: is that you know, Jordan's Love for all of the 74 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: all the scrutiny he's been under, the criticism that that 75 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: he has taken the fact that the start against Kansas 76 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: City last year didn't go all that well, the second 77 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: half against Detroit in week eighteen didn't really go all 78 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: that well. So everybody's been been waiting to see and 79 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: as I say, we're gonna have these preseason games coming 80 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: up here in August. But after a really really good 81 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: practice on Tuesday, Jordan's Love didn't stand at his locker 82 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: and and talk to reporters in any sort of like 83 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, well I've arrived moment, And yeah, this was 84 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: this was a great day. He was like, yeah, I 85 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: made some good throws, but you know, I want to 86 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: be better. I want to be more consistent. He's after 87 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: a practice like that and he's answering questions from reporters 88 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: about these really good throws he made in some tough situations. 89 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: He's still thinking about the ones that you know, kind 90 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: of got away from him, or maybe he didn't quite 91 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: hit the right hot read against the blitz, and those 92 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: are the things he's thinking about. Is he's about to 93 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: take his iPad after he's done, you know, talking to reporters. 94 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: He's going to take that tablet and go eat lunch 95 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: and watch the film of practice before he even goes 96 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: into the meeting room um with Aaron Rodgers and Tom 97 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: Clements to then review the practice again. So just getting 98 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: a little bit of insight into into the psyche as 99 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: well as as the routine there. And the other thing 100 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: you mentioned what Rogers was talking about it his locker 101 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: after Wednesday's practice and in saying that, I mean, you know, 102 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers has been doing this for so long 103 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,239 Speaker 1: as as one of the best, if not the best, 104 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: in the league, and he talked about, you know, if 105 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: if your footwork is right, the fundamentals are right, if 106 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: your eyes are in the right place, if the timing 107 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: of everything with regard to the to the protection, the rollout, 108 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: what you know, whatever else goes into the play, the 109 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: play action fake. If all of that timing and everything 110 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: is right and all those fundamentals are right, the throw, 111 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: whether it's a ten yard hitch or whether it's a 112 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: forty five yards shot down the scene, the throw is 113 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: the easiest part when you get all of that other 114 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: stuff together and in sync. And those are the kinds 115 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: of things I think when you know, we watch football, 116 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: we see the highlights, you look at the great throws 117 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: and all of this. We talked about how Aaron Rodgers 118 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: can make that stuff look so easy. He makes it 119 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: look easy because in those instances sometimes the throw is 120 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: the easiest part for him because everything else plays such 121 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: a big part in getting that play to work and 122 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: be executed properly. Absolutely, and it's ultimately really what has 123 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: separated him at the top of this game for so 124 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: long when you look at how his fundamentals, you know, 125 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: from day one, I mean, he mentions, even talking with 126 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: Clement said, what he's enjoyed is is he knew what 127 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: it looked like when Aaron wasn't refined. He knew what 128 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: it didn't look like when the footwork wasn't maybe necessarily 129 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: right to be. And being able to have that voice 130 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: back in the room this year, he thinks, not only 131 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: does it help love, it's it's going to help him 132 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: in the long run and being able to actually, you know, 133 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: find his own way again and and try to put 134 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: together a third consecutive m v P season. But it's 135 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: just such a complicated position, Like there's so many times 136 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: where I almost kind of get almost a little bit 137 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: of a anxiety attack when when you listen to all 138 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: of them and new usha that's involved with playing that position. 139 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: It just isn't going out there, dropping back and throwing 140 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: a football as hard as you can. There's so much 141 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: that plays into it. Because he said, it's not just love, 142 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: it's also Danny Etling. It's these young guys that when 143 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: you come in understanding what's going to be asked of 144 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: you in that position and ultimately being able to improve 145 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: your yourself to get yourself in the best position possible. 146 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: So Aaron Rodgers was not making any predictions on the preseason, 147 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: did not go there when he was asked about the preseason. 148 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: But we know we're going to see a lot of 149 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: Jordan's love and a lot of Danny Etling and for love. 150 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: This was the perfect way and my estimation going into 151 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: Family Night trying to build some momentum up into that 152 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: game against San Francisco. Yeah. Absolutely, Well, next up for 153 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: the Packers a padded practice, full pads practice on Thursday, 154 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: Family Night on Friday, and then heading into the following week, 155 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: the preparation for the preseason opener at San Francisco. I 156 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: want to shift gears here to a completely different topic 157 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: here for the rest of the show. 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Alright, 165 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: the rest of the show West we need to talk 166 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: about Well, first off, I'm gonna say bond Voyage because 167 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: you are off to Canton, Ohio for an extended weekend 168 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: to cover Leroy Butler's long awaited but i'll say better 169 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: late than never long awaited Hall of Fame induction. And 170 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: I've been to Canton a couple of times. I covered 171 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: Brett Fire's induction as well as Jerry Kramer's UM in 172 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: my time here before that, you know Vic Catchman, your 173 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: predecessor here as as you know the two man writing team. 174 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: Vick covered Ron Wolf and Dave Robinson being inducted into 175 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: the Packers Hall of Fame. So a lot of Canton 176 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: trips over the last decade here, which is a good 177 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: thing um for the franchise. But anyway, I wish you 178 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: save travels and uh. And with regard to Butler's induction UM, 179 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: the Kramer induction a few years ago was one thing 180 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: right because of how long he had to wait. But 181 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: with with Butler, it's almost With Kramer, there was a 182 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: sense of relief because it seemed like it was a 183 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: fifty year like wrong that finally had to be righted. 184 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: With Butler, I just I've never been around a Packers 185 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: player where the Hall of Fame induction And I should 186 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: mention Charles Woodson as well last year. Because of COVID 187 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: restrictions and all that, we weren't known any cover it. 188 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: We didn't cover it in the same way that we've 189 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: covered other inductions. Although I would have loved to have 190 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: been there for Charles le roi'son induction. There is a 191 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: there is a true celebration and joy and everything that 192 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: that is going into this for for him, for his 193 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: family because they've had to wait a little bit longer 194 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: than you would have liked. But I think in a 195 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: lot of ways it's made it even that much sweeter 196 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: for Leroy to get to this point. It has and 197 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: I think everybody involved with this process. I mean, Leroy 198 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: is going in and he said this time and time again, 199 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: and you know the conversations he had with his mom, 200 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: who's since passed about the Hall of Fame, and you know, 201 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: it's not the headline is not Leroy, Butler's going to 202 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. It's everybody around him. And while 203 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: he certainly was built by, you know, a village of 204 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 1: of contributors, coaches, teammates, loved ones that helped him get 205 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: to this point, I also think about all the people 206 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: that have been around him that are kind of going 207 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: on this journey to UM. I can't and I and 208 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: I no longer do I have to act like I'm impartial. 209 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: I'm not um. But I did radio for four years 210 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: with Leroy, and that was the first time I really 211 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: got a chance to meet him. I knew him a 212 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: little bit beforehand from Rob Dmowski and some of my 213 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: colleagues at the Press Gazette, but it was when I 214 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: started doing radio with him in thirteen I got to 215 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: know him better as a human being. And the thing 216 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: that stands out the most to me was what he 217 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: meant to this fan base and what that fan base 218 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: means to him. It is a popular cliche for people 219 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: to talk about the Packers having the best fans of football, 220 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: you know, and some guys, you know, I'm not saying 221 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: they don't mean it, but I'm just saying it's always 222 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: something easy to go back to Leroy. Butler it's a 223 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: different deal and it always has been that way, going 224 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: back to when he invented the leap, which is now 225 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: almost thirty years ago. That he lives for his fans 226 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: and to see this celebration when he finally does get 227 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: in because there were guys like me that were obviously 228 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: really discontent with Steve Attwater getting in first and John 229 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: Lynch getting in first, and obviously, you know, trolly Paula 230 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 1: Maller was a first ballot Hall of Famer. I don't 231 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: think anyone was arguing that but Leroy was waiting and 232 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: waiting and waiting, and it's like, this is the guy 233 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: that was the first one with twenty sacks and twenty interceptions. 234 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: This is a guy that I think the people that 235 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: could have stumped the hardest for him aren't here. You know, 236 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: Reggie White passed away in two thousand four, Fritz Shermer 237 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: passed away. They the people that knew what he could 238 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: do and had the voices to tell it. A lot 239 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: of those voices weren't available for him. And for a 240 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: time I grew frustrated. But then when he did make 241 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: semifinalist and you start to talk to him more about 242 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: this and his vantage point on things and how his 243 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: mom affected him in that way, this is a guy 244 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: that was content, and he kind of had this sort 245 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: of empowerment, like almost manifesting that I'm going to be 246 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame someday. I don't need to 247 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: worry about it. I don't worry about the order that 248 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: I think it. It made it even sweeter when he 249 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: finally did get that knock on the door, when Charles 250 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: Woodson did show up at his house and was able 251 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: to actually tell him, you're going to be welcoming to 252 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: the greatest fraternity and professional football. So it's an extremely 253 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: long answer for you, Mike, But I guess the way 254 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: I think as we go days out from this event 255 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: is just the emotions involved with it, in the fact 256 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: that this isn't just a guy, This isn't just a 257 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: safety with stats that revitalized the revolutionize the position. Leroy 258 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: Butler is a tried and true Green Bay Packer. He's 259 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: from Jacksonville, Florida, but you might as well just put 260 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: hometown of title Town on there. That's the way he 261 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: approached this thing, and he still makes his home in Wisconsin. 262 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: I could not be more thrilled for him. Yeah, I 263 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: tell you it's it's interesting. And I don't know Leroy 264 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: as well as you do. And this is not a 265 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: story that he would remember by any stretch. And I'm 266 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: not even sure if I've told you this story. But 267 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: back in my early newspaper days, I was at the 268 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: wasa daily Herald, as you know, and one of the 269 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: first times I came over to Green Bay to provide 270 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: some coverage of the Packers for the daily paperback in Wassa. 271 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: It was training camp of n and of course we 272 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: all know what happened in the Packers were coming off 273 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: of reaching the NFC Championship Game UM and losing to 274 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: Dallas the previous year. So I came over in training 275 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: camp was doing was working on a set of stories 276 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: for a special you know, football tab section for the 277 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: paper that was going to include all the high schools, 278 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: but then also some some exclusive Packer coverage. And I 279 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: was able to get UM through Aaron Popkey, who's still 280 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: one of our colleagues here. Popkey, Aaron was working UM 281 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: in football communications then he's more in all of the 282 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: involved in all the non daily football communications here with 283 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: the organization now. But I was able to get after 284 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: practice in training camp, was able to get a one 285 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: on one interview with Butler just in a little side room, 286 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: you know. And this is way before you know the 287 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: renovation and everything, a little side room off to the 288 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: side of of the locker room and everything. And uh, 289 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: and he didn't he didn't know me from Adam. I 290 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: mean I literally it was the first time I had 291 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: been around lambeau Field and around the locker room at all, 292 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: and uh um. And he sat down and talked with 293 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: me for like fifteen minutes about the defense. You know, 294 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: about Fritz and about Reggie and Santana Dots and and all, 295 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: and you know, all the plans and what the you know, 296 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: how confident they were in the unit they had, which 297 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: ended up being the number one scoring defense in the 298 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: league that year. And I was what would that have been, 299 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: summer of ninety six. I was twenty three years old, 300 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: pretty young cub reporter as they used to say. And 301 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: he he gave he gave me such an amazing interview 302 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: that helped me with these training camp stories that I 303 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: was working. And he didn't he didn't know me, He 304 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: had no he had no reason to give me that 305 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: type of interview, give me that time of day. And 306 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: I've always I've always remembered that, and I've and and 307 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: the longer you're in this business, the more you realize 308 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: that they aren't all made like le Roy Ball. So 309 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: I just wanted to share that because because that's one 310 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: for my very early days in this business, in in 311 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: getting connected to the Packers and professional football, um right 312 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: at the very very beginning stages. And he was a 313 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: part of it for me and uh and I have 314 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: a lot to thank for him, thank him for that 315 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: um because of because of that particular day, I loved 316 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: one of the stories. I was talking with Gilbert Brown, 317 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: who's one of the presenters for Leroy, and he mentioned, 318 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: you know, he gets basically signed from the Vikings. He 319 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: was a third round pick, but he got cut right 320 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: that first year. So what do the Green Bay Packers do? Well, 321 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: they put him in a locker right next to Leewright Butler. 322 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: So when I was asking about it, like just his 323 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: first impressions where he's like, I thought he ran his 324 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: mouth too much because and he's like everybody and their 325 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: mothers sitting there trying to get an interview with him. 326 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: I can never get into my locker, like he basically saying, 327 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: it's a little annoyed by this guy. But then there 328 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: has a time, you know, turned out they end up 329 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: becoming best friends almost mostly like brothers. And I think 330 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: anybody that's met Leroy, whether it's whether you're meetinga or 331 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: whether or not, it could have been a guy, you know, 332 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: someone going to an event. He has a gift of 333 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: gab unlike any other. And it was funny listening to 334 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: his wife, Genesis talked about this because she said, what's 335 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: really interesting about Leroy is one like he he understands 336 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: he's never going to meet every Packer fan. There's too 337 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: many of them, too many different states but in countries. 338 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: But he in that moment when he talks to people, 339 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: it maybe three minutes, five minutes, ten minutes, whatever he gets. 340 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: He's like, you know, there's a lot of times where 341 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: he's at things and you know he has a line 342 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: and he always steadily works through it. He has like 343 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: the perfect process for wanting to actually show people the 344 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: appreciation of being able to have that interaction and their 345 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: support um and also being able to you know, try 346 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: to get to as many people as possible. And that's 347 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: something again that his mother instilled in him, and just 348 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: the idea that you know, you're gonna have the leap, 349 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna have the interceptions, you're gonna be one of 350 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: the highest paid safeties in the National Football League at 351 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: one point in time, but at some point you won't 352 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: be an NFL football player. Anymore. But if you if 353 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: you care for and you appreciate your fans, they're still 354 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,479 Speaker 1: going to be there for you. So that's what has 355 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: really stood out to me the most. One of the 356 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: big reasons why I think Jerry Kramer, in addition to 357 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: being a five time All Pro guard and all the 358 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: things that he did in his career, one of the 359 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: reasons that that that fire never died trying to get 360 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 1: him into Canton is because of the fact he was, 361 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: in my opinion, the greatest ambassador of Packers football there's 362 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: ever been. The guy's done it all, see in it all, 363 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: and he did it ten years fifteen years before anybody else. Right. Leroy, 364 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: in my mind, is like a modern day Jerry Kramer. 365 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that will continue to carry 366 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: that green and gold torch for this organization. He's a 367 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: guy that you can go and talk to and feel 368 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: like you've known him for ten years. Oh and by 369 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: the way, he's an incredibly deserving football player. The ways 370 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: in which Fritz Shermer utilized him were unprecedented at the time. 371 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: And you know, you had your Ronnie Lotts, you know 372 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: you had your your you know you're Darren Woodson's You 373 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 1: had guys that were making this transition at that time 374 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: when defenses were starting to evolve a little bit and 375 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: understanding you could just always live in your base unit. 376 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to have sub packages, and guys like 377 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: Leroy were worth their weight in gold just based on 378 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: what they could do and how really dependable they could be. 379 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: The credit has to go first and foremost to Ray Rhodes. 380 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: He was the one that started that switch in, but 381 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: once Shermer got in and where they took that thing. 382 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: I wrote this in my profile on him, fifteen and 383 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: a half of his twenty and a half SAX came 384 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 1: when he was operating those five seasons in Friz Shermer's defense. Yeah, 385 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: he used him almost like another pass rusher to the point, 386 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: like Gilbert was saying, some of the guys on the 387 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: front were like, this guy's taking our set, you know. 388 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: But that's just the type of playmaker he was, and 389 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,959 Speaker 1: they entrusted him in a way in which few GET 390 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: people have have really been trusted. You look at Leroy, 391 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: butler you look at Charles Woodson in two thousand and ten, 392 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: those type of defensive backs really had a huge contribution 393 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: to Super Bowl Championships and ultimately keeping the title in 394 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: Title Town. Yeah. Absolutely, When when you think of Leroy Butler, Uh, 395 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: the words dependable and impactful are the ones that that 396 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: come to mind for me and Um, Well, I certainly 397 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: congratulate Leroy. I wish him the best. I hope he 398 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:52,719 Speaker 1: has the greatest celebration weekend ever um in Canton, Ohio. 399 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: I'm excited for you to be able to be able 400 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: to be a part of that one last thing before 401 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: we go, because this is what always comes up already 402 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: referenced the past decade, right, There's been Dave Robinson, Ron Wolf, 403 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: Brett Farve, Jerry Kramer, Charles Woodson, now Leroy Butler. So 404 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: who's the next Green Bay Packers individual icon? Who who 405 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: may eventually enter the Pro Football Hall of Fame? And 406 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: there are three legitimate possibilities here for the Class of three, 407 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: because both for the Senior Committee and the Coach Contributor category, 408 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: those groups have been whittled down to uh finalists and 409 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: Sterling Sharp and cecil Isbell are both finalists in the 410 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: Senior category, and then former head coach Mike Holmgren is 411 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: one of the finalists in the in the Coach Contributor category. Now, 412 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: to explain sort of how this works is with these 413 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: separate categories from from what's sort of the the regular 414 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: modern era induction process, which is how Leroy got in 415 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: Charles Woodson, Brett farve Um. The Senior Committee looks at 416 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: players who um who did not make it in through 417 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: the normal modern error process and sort of re revisits 418 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: uh certain candidates and then is able to nominate individuals 419 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: to then get a full vote in front of the 420 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: full selection committee. The coach Contributor category is a fairly 421 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: recent one that's been that's been created. They get to 422 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: do the same thing. Fore, the Senior Committee is going 423 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: to get to put forward three players. Usually it's only 424 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: one or two. They'll get to put forward three players 425 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: for a full vote in front of the committee. They 426 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: have a list of twelve finalists right now, it will 427 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: be whittled to three the coach Contributor category as a 428 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: dozen final if that'll be whittled down to just one. 429 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: So Sharp and Isabel are in the senior category, Homegrown 430 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: is in the coach contributor category. Going to be interesting 431 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: to see how this falls. I think the best chance 432 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: at this point because the Senior Committee is actually going 433 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: to have three nominees for the next three years each 434 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: of the next three years that that they can put 435 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: forward for a vote to the full committee. I think 436 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: the door is open for Sterling Sharp. If it's not 437 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: this next year, maybe within the next couple of years. 438 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: I think the door is open for Sterling Sharp to 439 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: to maybe get the nod here. What do you think? Yeah, 440 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: I agree. I mean the momentum is certainly there, and 441 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: its momentum that we haven't felt for a number of 442 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: years with Sharp in his candidacy. And you know, I 443 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 1: keep going back to what his brother said, you know, 444 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: and it's one of probably the most impassioned lines I 445 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: can ever recall from Hall of Fame speeches when he's 446 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: talking about going in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, 447 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: but you know, probably not even being the best football 448 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: player in his own family. Yeah, it was was something 449 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: that really hit home. And I know how close those 450 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: two are as brothers. I never covered, you know, Sterling. 451 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: I just caught the tail end of it in terms 452 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: of when I remember as a child. But that the 453 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: story I always tell people is that if you would 454 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: tell me that in this guy's last NFL game, he 455 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: had nine catches for a hundred and thirty two yards 456 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,959 Speaker 1: and two in three touchdowns. I mean, I don't know 457 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: about you. When you look at the rest of the resume, 458 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: that's a Hall of Famer. And I think when you 459 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: look at Megatron getting in when he did, I really 460 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: honestly feel like Terrell. I understand the playoff implications of it, 461 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: but I really felt like Terrell Davis getting in with 462 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: something where it's like, Okay, we're starting to break down 463 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: the wall here a little bit of guys that maybe 464 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: didn't play ten twelve years, And I thought that helped him. 465 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: And then also from the standpoint of you look at 466 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: you really do take a look at the numbers he 467 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: was putting up with the players that he was putting 468 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: those and he didn't play seven years with Brett Farve. 469 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: I mean, he he went through different quarterbacks and yet 470 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: he always was an impact player. Yeah, I agree with you. 471 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: And we've talked about this, you know, amongst ourselves, even 472 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,239 Speaker 1: on this show. We've written about an insider inbox with 473 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: regard to this idea of the you know, the players 474 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: with the shorter careers, as you say, not the guys 475 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: who played ten, twelve or fourteen years. The guys with 476 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: the shorter careers getting into the Hall of Fame, Terrell 477 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: Davis broke down a bit of a barrier there. But 478 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: with him, you know, there was the caveat that he 479 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: was he not only was you know, did what he 480 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: did in a shortened career, but in the postseason with 481 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: the Super Bowls with the Broncos, I mean and what 482 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 1: Terrell davis Is postseason numbers were were like off the charts. 483 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: That that that that was always something extra that was 484 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: carried along with his shorter career. But then as you said, Megatron, 485 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: Megatron got in, Calvin Johnson from the Lions didn't have 486 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: the longest career, and now we've also seen Tony BASSELLI considered, 487 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, the premier left tackle in this game for 488 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: a handful of years, but didn't have a very long 489 00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: career because of health concerns and injuries. And now Stirling 490 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: Sharp here coming along as a as a very strong 491 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: senior committee candidate, not having um not having even gotten 492 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: to the finalist stage in in the modern era process 493 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: at all. The thing the thing that I'll always remember 494 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: about Sterling, and partly because partly because I was actually 495 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: at the game. Um. I was at the game at 496 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: the Metrodome against the Vikings when when Sterling broke Art 497 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: Monks single season receptions record when he got a hundred 498 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: and eight receptions in one season, and that I don't 499 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: remember exactly when Monks at that record, but I want 500 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: to say it had stood for about ten years give 501 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: or take. Then Sterling broke that record with a hundred 502 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: and eight receptions in one year, and then the following 503 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: year he broke it again and got a hundred and 504 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: twelve UM. And I mean he he was the best 505 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: at his position for even though what he didn't play 506 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: as long as Jerry Rice, he didn't play as long 507 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: as Terrell Owens who came later. And so I I 508 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: commend I commend the Senior Committee and the full Hall 509 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: of Fame Selection Committee that has looked harder at the 510 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: Tony Basselli's of the world that these guys who were 511 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: the best of the best, even if they didn't have 512 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: the super long career, they're starting to get their due 513 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: and I hope, I hope it comes due for sharp 514 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: here with the with the Senior Committee opportunity over the 515 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 1: next few years. The other thing I'll say too, with 516 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: regard to Mike Holmgren, UM, I think Mike Holmgren belongs 517 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. You and I have talked 518 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: about it before that if Bill Kauer and nothing against 519 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: Bill Kauer, but if Bill Kauer with UH with one 520 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: Super Bowl win and one Super Bowl loss as head 521 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: coach of the Steelers, if Mike Bill cowers in the 522 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, Mike Holmegren should be in the Hall 523 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: of Fame, having been to three Super Bowls with two 524 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: different franchises. I even though Homegron only has the one 525 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowl title, I think he's definitely deserving. That. Being said, 526 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: with the coach contributor category right now, only being able 527 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: to push forward one candidate this upcoming year, UM, I'm 528 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: kind of pulling for Don coore Yell. UM. I think 529 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: I think Don coore Yell, the former San Diego Chargers 530 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: head coach, has been overlooked in this process for way 531 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: too long with what his passing offenses with Dan Fouts 532 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: and West Chandler and John Jefferson and Kellen Winzel and 533 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,719 Speaker 1: all those guys like what they did. So I'm kind 534 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: of hoping that Corey Yell gets in and then maybe 535 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: once he's out of the way then, Mike Holmgren, you know, 536 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: starts to starts to rise closer to the top a 537 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: little bit. That's just sort of how I see it 538 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: from a personal stand. Yeah, I'm definitely with you on 539 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: the Korey All front. It was interesting talking to Leroy 540 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: a little bit about Homegren and his candidacy and and 541 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: something else maybe put together later for a story because 542 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: he sort of touched on what you just did there. 543 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: In terms of the three Super Bowl appearances, Mike Holmegren 544 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: basically covers all the all the different variations of what 545 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: you look for in the Hall of Fame type coach. 546 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: A guy that came into a situation where this was 547 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,959 Speaker 1: a downtrodden franchise for twenty nine years and was a 548 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: part of the rebuilding plan of that was a part 549 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: of them getting back to prominence within three four years. 550 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: The other thing, too, is that, Okay, if you want 551 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: to maybe right off some of his successes because of 552 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: Brett Farve and Reggie White and everything and how prolific 553 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: some of that talent was, well, then you also need 554 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: to acknowledge what he did with Seattle and with all 555 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: with no disrespect intended to Mann, Hasselbeck, who was a 556 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: fine NFL starting quarterback. It was a different type of 557 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: quarterback and they had to do things differently with Sean 558 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: Alexander and a lot of those teams of that era, 559 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: he established two basic turnarounds and in shepherded both of 560 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: them in that regard. I think we all need to be, 561 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: you know, need to take stock of that, and in 562 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: my opinion, that's what put his resume higher than Bill Kers, 563 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: especially considering car was coming after Chuck Noll. The other 564 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: thing I just want to touch on very briefly before 565 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: we go is Cecil as Abel because you know, I'm 566 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: a huge Cecil as a Bell fan. It's well documented 567 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: how much I feel about his his candidacy, and I'm 568 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: putting it out there for for Cliff Crystal next year, 569 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: next spring when we end the season, you know, and 570 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: you're getting fitted for a Super Bowl ring. I want 571 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: to be able to actually sit down with Cliff and 572 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: go through Isabel Vern Llewellen in in Lavie Dilwig because 573 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: those are kind of the three that everybody's talking about 574 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: that we're sort of left behind in that pre Canton 575 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: Hall of fame and and I honestly believe It is 576 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: an oversight not not to have Llewllen on this list, 577 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: but he's not there. Isabel is. So that's what we 578 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: have to talk about. If Isabel would get into the 579 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: Pro Football of Fame, would be tied for the second 580 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: fewest games played by a guy in the Hall of Fame. 581 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: But we also need to respect the fact that this 582 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: was a different time in National Football League history. When 583 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: Isabel hung it up, it wasn't because he couldn't play. 584 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: He was at the peak of his power. He had 585 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: just fashioned almost a ninety passer rating in like through 586 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: for yards, had twenty four touchdowns, a record that stood 587 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: for forty years until Lynn Dicky broke it. You just 588 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: have to be able to appreciate that money was different, 589 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: time was different in World War Two. This is a 590 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: guy that then went out of the coaching side of 591 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: things because that's where you could actually make a true living. 592 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: And you go back, just read Don Hudson's book, read 593 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: some of these things on Cecil Isabel, this guy. If 594 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: you're talking about a Pro Football Hall of Fame, it 595 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: is about guys who changed the National Football League and 596 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: in terms of the forward pass. Along with Curly Lambeo 597 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: Isabel was a huge part of that. After the Arnie 598 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: Herbert era, I was gonna say he followed a Hall 599 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: of Famer in Arnie Herbert as a as a offensive 600 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: back slash quarterback, the way they were the way they 601 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,959 Speaker 1: were used back then, and obviously Don Hudson was was 602 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: a big part of of that era as well. Um, well, 603 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: we've gone a little bit over time today, but you're 604 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: heading off for a few days, so so have a 605 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,959 Speaker 1: safe trip, friend. I hope it all goes well for you. 606 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: Say hi to Leroy for me and all of that, 607 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: all right, and with that we'll call it a wrap 608 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers Unscript. To be sure to 609 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: follow all of our coverage on Packers dot com. West 610 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: will have everything from Canton. I will have everything from 611 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: training camp and Family Night and all that coming up 612 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: here in the next few days. So for West, I 613 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: am Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody. We'll see 614 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: you next time.