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Speaker 1: Everybody said that that's fascinating. I think the rules are

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Speaker 1: Amazing? Like you have not experienced that someone's going to

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Speaker 3: Right, we don't have any rules, and I don't think

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Speaker 3: Now, I listened to a bunch of your podcasts and

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Speaker 3: No, I agree. I think you're hitting the nail on

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