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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today, I have Desuza

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Speaker 1: with me. He is a political commentator, author and filmmaker

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Speaker 1: who just released his newest film and accompanying book called

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Speaker 1: Vindicating Trump. Denesh, thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 2: It's a pleasure. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I was just saying, I watched the film, and I

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Speaker 1: think anybody who is in this political climate right now,

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Speaker 1: all of the people are sort of like focused on

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Speaker 1: what's happening. But if you've been watching Trump, and not

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Speaker 1: just in the political world, but if you've been watching

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Speaker 1: Trump for years, way back to when we all said,

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Speaker 1: oh my goodness, Donald Trump is in home alone, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like, for years we saw him as this figure

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Speaker 1: that was the American Dream, and you point that out

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Speaker 1: in the film. If that is your life, you got

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Speaker 1: to watch this. You got to see this because it's

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Speaker 1: so neat how it starts, and you see how I

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Speaker 1: mean almost the vilification of the American dream because you

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Speaker 1: remind us who he was.

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Speaker 2: And I appreciate that, you know, I think, Tutor, at

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Speaker 2: the very beginning of this film, there is that iconic

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Speaker 2: scene which everybody remembers, Trump coming down the escalator at

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Speaker 2: Trump Tower. That was a very faithful moment because this

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Speaker 2: is how I interpreted. At the top of the escalator,

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Speaker 2: you have all the cultural elites like Oprah's there, Ellen

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Speaker 2: de Generes, all the Hollywood people. They all love Trump,

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Speaker 2: they want to be seen with Trump. But then Trump

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Speaker 2: does something very interesting. He gets on the escalator, he descends,

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Speaker 2: he goes down. Now where does he go down to?

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Speaker 2: In my view, I kind of envision at the bottom

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Speaker 2: of the escalator like a lot of ordinary people who

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Speaker 2: have been kind of shunted aside by politics. You know,

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Speaker 2: they've been neglected by both parties, their jobs have been

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Speaker 2: traded away, they feel a little screwed over. And so

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Speaker 2: these are people who look up the escalator and they go, wait,

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Speaker 2: who's this guy. He's not one of us, but he's

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Speaker 2: kind of taken up our cause. And so you can

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Speaker 2: see right there why there's this fierce attachment to Trump

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Speaker 2: on the part of people who have been neglected and

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Speaker 2: see him as having come over to their side. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: from the point of view of the cultural elite at

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Speaker 2: the top of the escalator, they're like, where are you going.

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Speaker 2: You're betraying us. Why are you joining all these pitchfork

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Speaker 2: people and taking up their cause against us. So in

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Speaker 2: a glimpse you get an idea of why the same

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Speaker 2: people who adored him at one time sort of ruthlessly

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Speaker 1: The symbolism there, I've never really thought about that. The

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Speaker 1: symbolism of him going down the escalator was very important

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Speaker 1: because he was at the top. He was at the top,

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Speaker 1: with the elites at the top, with Hollywood at the

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Speaker 1: top in business, and yet we aren't there, the people

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Speaker 1: aren't there, We don't experience that every day. What the

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Speaker 1: private jets, that lifestyle. They want us to worship that lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: And so when he came down the escalator, people were like, whoa, whoa,

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Speaker 1: we don't do that. We make them look up, we

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Speaker 1: make them look up. But he said, no, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to the people. And I think this is something that

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Speaker 1: really we need to think about and look at your state,

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Speaker 1: look at your local politics. It is very hard to

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Speaker 1: get executives to step out of their role and serve,

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Speaker 1: and I really mean serve. You know, people look at

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Speaker 1: this and not oh he just wanted power. No, he

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Speaker 1: wanted to serve. And that is very different than what

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Speaker 1: it is to be the executive of a company and

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Speaker 1: that's a challenge and on both sides. But the Democrats,

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Speaker 1: I think, build up people and then they create power.

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Speaker 1: They don't actually have any experience, they don't have any

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Speaker 1: business experience. They come from a place of knowing nothing

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Speaker 1: and are created by the powerful elites. This was someone

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Speaker 1: stepping out of an executive role and going into serve

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Speaker 1: and it was like, this does not compute.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's in some ways it still doesn't compute

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Speaker 2: because think about it this way, dude, or if you

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Speaker 2: or I were billionaires. We were in our seventies with

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Speaker 2: criminal charges, you know, two assassination attempts. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: normal person would just go, I don't need any of this.

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Speaker 2: Let me just flee into my private life. All of

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Speaker 2: this would then go away. And so Trump nevertheless persists,

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Speaker 2: and I think it has to be. I can only

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Speaker 2: think of one explanation, namely that he thinks that the

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Speaker 2: country is in a dire strait and he thinks that

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Speaker 2: he forges ahead in a very abnormal way. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, any other Republican facing like three

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Speaker 2: unused ual man in a manner that I think I'm

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Speaker 2: not even sure that some of his supporters fully recognized.

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Speaker 2: Now his enemies recognize his power, and that's really why

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Speaker 2: they're after him and him alone. Like you might have

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Speaker 2: to ask, like, here's a guy who goes seventy five

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Speaker 2: be president the second time, ninety one criminal charges. I mean,

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Speaker 2: on the face of it, that is suspect, and it

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Speaker 2: shows that he's Trump is sort of like the guy

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Speaker 2: who comes over the mountain in the Western movie and

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Speaker 2: the gangsters recognized right away, you know what, that's our

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Speaker 2: problem right there. That's the guy we got to get.

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Speaker 2: We don't have to worry about the old sheriff for

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Speaker 2: the old guy who runs the saloon, but the outsider,

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Speaker 1: You have that in the movie, and I think that

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Speaker 1: was so powerful because part of what you say, is

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Speaker 1: he has the option to join the gang, and yet

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Speaker 1: he doesn't. He fixes things and he leaves. And you

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Speaker 1: said something just now, he said, I don't think his

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Speaker 1: all of these convictions. But his enemies do. And that

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Speaker 1: to me is incredibly powerful, because you know, when you're

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Speaker 1: and I think that they don't realize the machine. And

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Speaker 1: there's corruption on both sides of the political machine, and

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Speaker 1: is why even on the you point out at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the movie that even on the Republican side,

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Speaker 1: they're like, oh no, no, no, no, this guy can't be serious,

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Speaker 1: Like he's not coming into this realm. And you see

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Speaker 1: kind of the consultant class and all these people that

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Speaker 1: are like, we're not going we choose, we choose. And

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Speaker 1: I found this running for office myself. It's like, you

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Speaker 1: don't step into this race. You're not welcomed to step

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Speaker 1: that it's not easy. It's not that I had this

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody knew it, and like you said it,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that people fully understand it now. But

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Speaker 1: there was a I've seen Don Junior speak a few

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Speaker 1: different times, and one of the things he says is

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Speaker 1: we had all these friends. Everybody loved us, and we

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Speaker 1: knew the minute he stepped onto that escalator that would

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Speaker 1: all change. But no one could have imagined how significant

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Speaker 1: take a risk of losing people. I had a friend

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Speaker 1: She didn't like my policies.

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Speaker 2: I think What it is is you realize after a

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Speaker 2: while that the if you're a threat to consolidating an

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Speaker 2: And then you have two ways to go. You can

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Speaker 2: either crumble, which happens to a lot of people, or

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Speaker 2: basically go, all right, it's like all bets are off.

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Speaker 2: It's now like a free fight in the open battlefield.

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Speaker 2: I'm just kind of have to go like braveheart on

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Speaker 2: these guys, you know. And I think that's what's happened

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Speaker 2: to Trump. This is the only way to explain his

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Speaker 2: utterly abnormal reaction to the two assassination attempts. I mean,

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Speaker 2: no normal person says things like, you know, I'm a

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Speaker 2: little annoyed that I was pulled off the golf course.

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Speaker 2: I was about to make an a shot. You know,

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Speaker 2: So Trump, I think, has experienced this sense of freedom

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Speaker 2: by which I mean he's a guy who knows how

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Speaker 2: to bully the bully. Now, I noticed that Trump never

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Speaker 2: bullies people who are beneath him. He'll never see him

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Speaker 2: He doesn't bully people who are waiting on him. He's

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Speaker 2: very kind to those people. And in fact, even though

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Speaker 2: I've actually seen Trump and he expresses very particular interest

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Speaker 2: in people like, hey, tutor, I notice that your son

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: In other words, he is in private, he's quite self deprecating,

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Speaker 2: to be. Now in public, he is this kind of

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Speaker 2: bombastic salesman. I mean, his rallies aren't just big, they're

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Speaker 2: like the biggest rallies ever assembled. His burgers at Marlaga

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a kind of a cartoon element to

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Speaker 2: all that. But I think if you see Trump in

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Speaker 2: that almost comedic light. You can look at it. The

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Speaker 2: he's going to be dictator for a day. Look, he

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Speaker 2: admitted it. That kind of nonsense when Trump clearly is

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Speaker 1: I mean you even note that in the documentary about

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Speaker 1: the guys watching his speech and on saying, this isn't scripted.

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Speaker 1: He's just saying whatever he wants. And I think he

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Speaker 1: And you see that real clear divide right now. You

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Speaker 1: see Harris going out and she never deviates from the script.

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Speaker 1: He says whatever he wants, and sometimes that does get

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Speaker 1: I think he also brings us back to a time

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Speaker 1: when there was this masculinity around. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: show that it is painful. I'm sure it is. I'm

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Speaker 1: earth did Republicans start saying exactly what you just said,

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Speaker 1: because I've been the same, Oh i'll vote on election date.

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Speaker 1: There's systems in place. We don't have that problem anymore.

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Speaker 2: And I think we've also reached a point now where

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Speaker 2: we're facing a little bit of a different problem. Namely,

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Speaker 2: we have these Democrats, and this applies to the fifty

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Speaker 2: one intelligence officers with the Hunter Biden laptop, It applies

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Speaker 2: to the regimes of censorship. By and large, their view

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Speaker 2: is that is that they can do it to us

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Speaker 2: because they know we will never do it to them,

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Speaker 2: because there are so many Republicans who say things like, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, we have to be principal. They want to

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Speaker 2: stack the court. We won't stack the court. They want

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Speaker 2: to weaponize the government against us, But we can't weaponize

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Speaker 2: the government against them because we're too principled, we're too decent.

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Speaker 2: And so as a result, our decency and passivity and

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Speaker 2: turn the other cheek encourages their aggression because then they go, well,

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Speaker 2: there are no consequences for us will never be held accountable.

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Speaker 2: We will try to stack the court, but then those

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Speaker 2: guys will come in and they are wedded to nine.

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Speaker 2: They want nine justices. So then we get to try

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Speaker 2: again the next time, and we never have to face

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Speaker 2: the risk they will turn, if you will, the same

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Speaker 2: weaponry against us. So the Republicans, in that sense, I think,

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Speaker 2: are viewed by the Democrats as being the party of

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Speaker 2: the namby pambies.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but to a certain extent, it's true. We

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Speaker 1: wouldn't do that stuff. It's wrong. And you heard, I

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Speaker 1: mean even you when you interviewed Donald Trump in the documentary,

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Speaker 1: you said you could have gone after Hillary Clinton. He's yeah,

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Speaker 1: I could have. I didn't think it was right, and

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it. And there's nobody on the other

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Speaker 1: side who's coming out and saying that, because it's exactly

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Speaker 1: the opposite. They have gone after him every which way

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Speaker 1: they've campaigned. They've openly said it. It's not even a question.

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Speaker 1: It's not like we're wondering did they do something nefarious.

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Speaker 1: They've campaigned on doing something nefarious. You bring up the

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Speaker 1: fact that Hillary Clinton was busted for paying for the

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Speaker 1: dossier for asking for the dossier. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: a whole plan. This was election interference at its finest.

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Speaker 1: This was someone who who threw out false stories about

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Speaker 1: a presidential candidate and tried to win and she got

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Speaker 1: what an eight thousand dollars Fine, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And not just false stories. I mean think about what

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Speaker 2: she was saying. I mean, one thing, if she said, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: you know Trump, you know he had an affair with

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Speaker 2: a playboy model a long time ago, No, she was

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Speaker 2: basically saying, I have proof that Trump is a Russian asset.

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Speaker 2: In other words, Trump is a pawn of a foreign power.

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Speaker 2: And this not only has an impact on whether you

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Speaker 2: vote for him, but it has an impact about whether

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Speaker 2: we treat him as a normal and legitimate president once

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Speaker 2: he has been legitimately elected. So this was an effort

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Speaker 2: to discredit not just an election in a way, but

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Speaker 2: a presidency, and to a large degree it worked. Trump

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Speaker 2: the whole first term was plagued by these ongoing investigations NonStop,

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Speaker 2: and yet it is pretty remarkable that he accomplished quite

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Speaker 2: a lot. One of the things I pointed out in

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Speaker 2: the film was even though people say about Trump, you

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Speaker 2: know and I just saw George Conway on a recent show.

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Speaker 2: He's like, Trump only cares about himself. He's never shown

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Speaker 2: that he will ever care about anything other than himself

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Speaker 2: feel you know, not the country, not even his own supporters.

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Speaker 2: And I'm thinking to myself, all right, well, let's test

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Speaker 2: that idea. You know, because when COVID first came along,

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Speaker 2: Trump had this roaring economy. It was carrying him on

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Speaker 2: his surfboard to reelection almost inevitably. And yet when Fauci

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Speaker 2: and all the guys and the white coats came to

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Speaker 2: Trump and said, listen, there's a pandemic. You need to

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Speaker 2: shut down the economy at least temporarily, Trump was like,

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Speaker 2: you know what, let's do it. In other words, Trump

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Speaker 2: jeopardized his own election knowingly, and obviously the only motive

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Speaker 2: for that was that he cared about the lives and

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Speaker 2: health of the American people, and he said, my election

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Speaker 2: and reelection chances, well, we'll worry about that later. So

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Speaker 2: that is not the mark of somebody who only cares

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Speaker 2: about themselves, because that person would have reacted very differently.

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Speaker 1: If he only cared about himself, he would have never

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Speaker 1: stepped on that escalator. He would never have taken this

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Speaker 1: journey because it is not an easy journey. It is

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Speaker 1: not a journey for people who want to be praised

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Speaker 1: and loved, because you get more hate than you get love.

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Speaker 1: I assure you, it is a hard journey. It is

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Speaker 1: a humbling journey. It is not not for the meek

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Speaker 1: and mild. It is not for someone who is a

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Speaker 1: narcissist and just can't get past themselves. And I think

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Speaker 1: he's proven that it's not it's not that. And he's

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Speaker 1: continued to fight through all of these indictments and these

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Speaker 1: convictions and everything else that they say, oh, now he's

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Speaker 1: a convict, he's a felon, he's this that, and yet

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Speaker 1: he's none of those things. And he continues to fight

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Speaker 1: against all of that narrative. And it's not. It's certainly

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Speaker 1: not easy. It's certainly not easy when you are Trump.

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Speaker 1: But let me ask you this, do you think it continues?

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Speaker 1: Because here you have Jadie Vance who comes on the

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Speaker 1: scene and the only thing that people really knew about

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Speaker 1: Jadie Vance was hillbilly elogy, and they loved it. Again,

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Speaker 1: another person who was loved by Hollywood and the elites,

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Speaker 1: and they wanted to play They wanted to play him,

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Speaker 1: They wanted to play his mother, his grandmother. Some of

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Speaker 1: the greatest actresses in the world were like, I want

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Speaker 1: to be in this film. This is a role for

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Speaker 1: me and one awards. And yet once he comes out

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Speaker 1: as a Republican, as someone running for office, someone who

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Speaker 1: has come from the depths of poverty and truly lived

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Speaker 1: the American dream. I mean more so, I would say,

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Speaker 1: even than Trump, because he went from absolutely nothing to

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Speaker 1: becoming a Yale graduate and a successful businessman. And they

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Speaker 1: have gone after him and said, you know, don't you

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Speaker 1: didn't deserve to go to Yale, that wasn't your role,

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Speaker 1: and openly said that people that come from that level

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Speaker 1: of poverty should not be able to achieve the American dream.

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Speaker 1: They're openly saying not even hiding it. They're openly saying it,

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Speaker 1: and the American people are being brainwashed by this and saying, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't like him. Now, So when does it end?

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Speaker 1: Do the Republicans ever run again where they don't have

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Speaker 1: this propaganda media demonizing them, destroying their families, destroying their

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Speaker 1: life story, picking them apart peace by piece.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think this is this is how I think

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Speaker 2: about it. Think of the swamp as this kind of

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Speaker 2: drinking hole, you know, on the Nature Channel, And the

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Speaker 2: Democrats have all the best spots at the drinking hole.

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Speaker 2: And however they have cleared a few spaces for Republicans.

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Speaker 2: And so that is the way they want it to be.

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Speaker 2: They want the Republicans to be the junior partner, to

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Speaker 2: participate in the corruption, but recognize that they have an

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Speaker 2: inferior status. And there are a lot of Republicans who

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Speaker 2: are kind of okay with that. It's like, hey, listen,

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Speaker 2: otherwise I'd just be some realtor in Des Moines. But

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Speaker 2: you know what, I've got a nice spot of the

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Speaker 2: drinking hole right here. And so that kind of Republican

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Speaker 2: is like the Democrats favorite. Now, if a Republican comes

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Speaker 2: along like Trump and it's like I'm going to drain

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Speaker 2: that drinking hole. I'm going to drain the swamp. Then

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Speaker 2: it's like all bets are off, and not only are

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Speaker 2: the Democrats, but even the Republicans are like, wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: you're changing the rules of the game because we get

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Speaker 2: some drinking spots too. So it's not that the Democrats

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Speaker 2: won't put up with a Republican. They want to create

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Speaker 2: a certain type of submissive publican, a battered wife, so

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Speaker 2: to speak, and there are Republicans quite willing to play

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Speaker 2: that battered wife role. Now they will never admit it.

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Speaker 2: In fact, they will pose the battered wife Republicans poses

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Speaker 2: as being too principal to fight. So the battered wife

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Speaker 2: Republican basically goes, I'm so decent, I'm so nice that

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Speaker 2: I don't question the swamp. I go along with the

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Speaker 2: rules as is. I never questioned the election. I'm okay

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Speaker 2: with censorship. These are private platforms. Let them do whatever

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Speaker 2: they want. And yeah, they're indicting Trump. Let the legal

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Speaker 2: process play out. Nothing suspicious to see here, folks. There

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Speaker 2: are a lot of Republicans who are like that, and

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Speaker 2: the Democrats want to create a party that is made

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Speaker 2: up of those kinds of Republicans. Now JD. Mance, who

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Speaker 2: was initially kind of a Trump skeptic, almost never Trump Republican,

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Speaker 2: kind of the moment that Jadvans sort of went with Trump,

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Speaker 2: he signaled not that he is another Trump, because he's

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Speaker 2: a very different kind of guy. He's certainly, you know,

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Speaker 2: he's got that kind of he's got an Ivy League

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Speaker 2: sophistication to him. He's more academic in his style. So

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Speaker 2: he's not a carbon copy of Trump by any means.

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Speaker 2: But by showing he has that Trumpian spirit, immediately the

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Speaker 2: message kind of went out, Listen, this is a guy

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Speaker 2: who was like a threat to the establishment. We need

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Speaker 2: to go after him with the same venom. So that's

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Speaker 2: the If the Republicans fold and move away from that

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Speaker 2: kind of Trumpian spirit, the Democrats are going to stop.

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Speaker 2: But they will never stop as long as Republicans continue

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Speaker 2: to pick candidates who have that fighting spirit, who are

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Speaker 2: in a sense, you know, the lone gunman coming over

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Speaker 2: the mountain.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that fighting spirit is what created

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Speaker 1: the United States of America. So I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: going to go away.

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Speaker 2: I certainly hope not. I mean, I'm an immigrant tutor.

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Speaker 2: I came to the country at the age of seventeen,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I discovered a society where you can

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Speaker 2: start at the bottom and if you have some grit

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Speaker 2: and some intelligence and some luck, you can climb the ladder.

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Speaker 2: And so preserving that ladder of opportunity, to me, is

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Speaker 2: what America is all about. And American history, the pioneer spirit,

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Speaker 2: the spirit of resistance to the British, even the great

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Speaker 2: you know, the Civil War and some of the issues

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Speaker 2: and all of that indicates a certain American character, and

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Speaker 2: ultimately America will only be lost when that character itself disappears.

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Speaker 1: Well, I refuse to let that character disappear so and

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Speaker 1: I think you do too. And I think that people

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Speaker 1: really to understand it. If you are on the outside

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Speaker 1: of that, if you haven't run, if you haven't been

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Speaker 1: as close to this, I think to understand it, if

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Speaker 1: you watch this documentary and if you read the book,

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Speaker 1: you really will understand it. So tell people where they

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Speaker 1: can get the book, how they can watch.

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Speaker 2: The book is just out. It's available of course on Amazona,

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Speaker 2: Barnes and Noble. Just called Vindicating Trump the movie website

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Speaker 2: is Vindicating Trump dot com and it's still in some theaters,

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Speaker 2: so if you plug in your city or town, you'll

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Speaker 2: see if it's playing near you. It's going to come

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Speaker 2: very shortly to DVD and stream, and you can pre

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Speaker 2: order the DVD. So vindicating Trump dot Com is the

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Speaker 2: best way to find out more about the movie.

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Speaker 1: And it's not just about Trump though. I think that

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Speaker 1: what people need to understand is you're going to learn

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Speaker 1: some history when you watch this movie. You're gonna see

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Speaker 1: and even just the history of the last eight years,

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Speaker 1: of the last nine years, watching from him walking down

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Speaker 1: the escalator to today and seeing those historic clips, I

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Speaker 1: mean they're really fun to watch how people are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this joker, like he's never going to become president, and

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Speaker 1: just going back through that history is like, oh, interesting,

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Speaker 1: how God has a different plan. And then you watch

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Speaker 1: the history. I told you when I watched the history

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Speaker 1: of presidential assassinations. I mean that brings a lot of

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Speaker 1: emotion up. That this film runs the gamut of seeing

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Speaker 1: something that's funny, seeing history, watching something that is really

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Speaker 1: heart wrenching. I mean we go through as you take

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Speaker 1: us on a journey through all of this history and

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Speaker 1: where America stands today. I just think it's incredibly powerful.

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Speaker 1: I think right now, in this season that we're in,

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Speaker 1: we're all wondering what's going to happen in the next

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Speaker 1: thirty days. This is a good film to watch because

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Speaker 1: I think it will help you. Also talk to your friends,

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Speaker 1: talk to people who you want to have, go out

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Speaker 1: and vote. Because the race is tight. People keep saying me,

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Speaker 1: do you think he's going to win them? Like every

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Speaker 1: other day? I do, you know? It's like every other day.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know if America has seen everything that America is supposed

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Speaker 1: to see to wake up. And I do believe that

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Speaker 1: that God has a hand on this nation, and he

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Speaker 1: is sending us a message right now, and so I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Nothing is guaranteed. We are a learning people,

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Speaker 1: and we will learn something in the next thirty days.

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Speaker 1: I certainly hope that it is that Donald Trump will

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Speaker 1: be our next president. But if you want to make

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Speaker 1: sure that you can help spread that message, read the book.

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Speaker 1: It'll teach you something, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Tutor, When John Wilkes boot assassinated Lincoln and he

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Speaker 2: umps onto the stage, he shouts something very interesting. He

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Speaker 2: shouts a Latin phrase, but what it means is, this

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Speaker 2: is what happens to tyrants. This is what happens to tyrants.

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Speaker 2: And think about it. That's what they call Lincoln. They

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Speaker 2: thought he was a tyrant. And that's what they call Trump.

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Speaker 2: He's a tyrant. And in a sense, the character assassination

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Speaker 2: of Trump has created a poisonous atmosphere in which two

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Speaker 2: kooks have now decided, oh, well, you know what, if

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Speaker 2: he's a tyrant, I'll be a hero. I'll be the

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Speaker 2: guy that the tyrant slayer, if you will. So in

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Speaker 2: some ways we're living a kind of an echo of

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Speaker 2: an historical moment. I love doing these films because they're

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Speaker 2: entertaining and engaging, but they also pack a powerful message,

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Speaker 2: and I'm hoping in some ways to get the film out. Also,

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Speaker 2: this is in streaming and DVD more to people who

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Speaker 2: are Trump's skeptics, including some Republicans who are like, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't know about the guy. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I do like his policies. You've got so many people

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Speaker 2: who are kind of wafflers on Trump, and they want

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Speaker 2: to sort of remake Trump in some way. And my

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Speaker 2: point is that look not that Trump is not a

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Speaker 2: flawed man, I mean, we all really are, but rather

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Speaker 2: that his peculiar combination of qualities is quite well suited

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Speaker 2: to the peculiar challenges that we face as a country today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that if you watch this, you'll

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Speaker 1: say to yourself, Okay, those peculiar characteristics of his I

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Speaker 1: think that mine. If it were me, if I were

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Speaker 1: going through all of this, I would take a turn

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Speaker 1: that was a little different because it would bring it

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Speaker 1: brings a darkness into your life when you're under attack

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Speaker 1: like this, when you are under siege. And yet he,

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Speaker 1: like you said, he's still funny and he goes to Grandparents'

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Speaker 1: day and he does all of these things that he

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Speaker 1: just keeps pushing through and living life. And it really

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Speaker 1: is a Donald Trump that I don't think that the

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Speaker 1: average person who said, well, I've just written him off

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Speaker 1: has seen. So I'm glad you did this, and I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of people should go out there and

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Speaker 1: watch it and read the book. Janesh Desusa, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for sharing it with us today. My pleasure,

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Speaker 1: and thank you all for listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.

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Speaker 1: As always for this episode, check out Tutordison podcast dot

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Speaker 1: com or the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts and join us next time. Have a

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Speaker 1: blessed day,