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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Buck Brief. Everybody. Our friend David Harsanyi

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Speaker 1: back in action here. He is a senior commis at

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Speaker 1: the Federalists. Got an awesome new book coming out, Rise

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Speaker 1: of Blue Anon. How the Democrat Party became all about

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, which I think is very troubling and an

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Speaker 1: important development in American politics. But I want to start

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Speaker 1: with this because you detailed this recently. We went into this.

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Speaker 1: They did it. They did it to Jade Evans. This thing.

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Speaker 1: Explain this tactic of the Democrat media where they like,

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Speaker 1: something random appears somewhere on the Internet that is obviously

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Speaker 1: slanderous or deeply undermining and destructive to a Republican And

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Speaker 1: then it's like, well, we need to bring on the

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Speaker 1: experts to go into detail about whether this crazy thing

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Speaker 1: that no one actually believes or should believe is true

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Speaker 1: is true? You know what I mean to be like

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Speaker 1: if I said he I'm like, hey, some people are

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Speaker 1: saying David Harsanyi is actually a lizard person. You take

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Speaker 1: off his face and he's a lizard and he eats puppies.

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Speaker 1: Let's just let's bring on some experts, some zoologists to decide,

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Speaker 1: Like they do that for real though with Republicans, how

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Speaker 1: does this work.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you a famous example, which is the Trump

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Speaker 3: Key tape. Right, So there's no evidence for that. They

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Speaker 3: could find no evidence for that, so they talk about

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Speaker 3: it in a way.

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Speaker 2: They'll talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Like, you know, people are saying this, but it's not

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Speaker 3: true or whatever. They what they're doing is letting those

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Speaker 3: who had never heard the conspiracy know that it exists,

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Speaker 3: what their appetite for it in a way, so either

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Speaker 3: they give conspiracy there's essentially no conspiracy theory on the

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Speaker 3: left that isn't given some kind of hearing on the right.

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Speaker 3: On the in the main major media, you know, either

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Speaker 3: they're going to talk to someone who's who's spreading it,

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Speaker 3: or they're going to fact check it and debunk it.

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Speaker 3: But let you know about it. And that's one of

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Speaker 3: the many tactics they use to let people know all

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Speaker 3: the conspiracies that are going on out there.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: There's the old thing, and I guess in politics or

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Speaker 1: maybe just life, in general, you know, when did you

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Speaker 1: stop beating your wife? The point of course being they're

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Speaker 1: just trying to assert that you are a wife beater,

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Speaker 1: and even when you deny it. They've injected this with

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Speaker 1: I feel like with conspiracy theory about Republicans in particular.

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Speaker 1: From the Democrat mindset, this stuff is a constant where

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Speaker 1: and they'll do really in like CNN will do in

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Speaker 1: the whole point of the Russia collusion is the whole

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Speaker 1: just one big indulgence of a conspiracy that was flimsy

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Speaker 1: and absurd, but by talking about it, they were undermining

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Speaker 1: a political opponent. Right, So it just feels like they

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Speaker 1: play this double game all the time. Oh, we're journalists,

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Speaker 1: but like, let's talk about this crazy stuff for a while,

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Speaker 1: but we're doing it as serious journalists.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that's what my book's about. It lays

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Speaker 1: When do you think a log like tell me about this, like,

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Speaker 1: when when did the blue and non conspiracy stuff? Is

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Speaker 1: it really a Trump era thing or do you go

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Speaker 2: Trump sort of blew it up. But I go all

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Speaker 3: I start with Hillary going on Good Morning Americans saying,

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Speaker 3: So I put it like this. They've been doing this

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Speaker 3: Let's not pretend that right wingers don't get caught up

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Speaker 3: far more plausibility and far more you know power. When

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Speaker 1: That's what I would expect a lizard person who eats

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Speaker 1: it's amazing that you can sit here and go back

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Speaker 1: And there were let's just say, excessive liberties taken with

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Speaker 1: but they have a feeling for But it's not crazy,

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Speaker 1: like to think that Donald Trump was on a tape

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Speaker 1: just be on that. That is what, you know, the

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Speaker 1: to launder that through CNN and the intelligence community to

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Speaker 1: of the guy Christopher Steele, who did. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: stuff is insane, Like this is just there's just no

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's like for years and years there's

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Speaker 3: they're Hitler.

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Speaker 2: There's no more debating, there's just accusations. So when you prime.

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Speaker 3: People up in that way, you're going to start to

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Speaker 3: Russia thing, I think, really infiltrated the mindset of a

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Speaker 3: You know, I remember that poll there were like sixty

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Speaker 1: I know there was a packing of the voting machines

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Speaker 1: by the Russians, to change votes. Wild stuff, right, yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean there were When you go back and read about

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Chait wrote an eight thousand word piece in New

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Speaker 3: it's because they're paranoid about their political opponents. And if

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Speaker 1: It is some of the stuff where you know, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Trump is Hitler, but Ron DeSantis is worse than Trump.

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Speaker 1: Therefore Ronda Santis for a few months there worse than Hitler.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty amixing. I was like, how do you go?

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Speaker 1: What is the worst than Hitler? On the dial? Like

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Speaker 1: where where is that? Even? How does that happen?

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Speaker 3: It was wild, Like, yeah, I just would say that

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Speaker 3: you made a point about how sometimes you can believe conspiracies.

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Speaker 3: I think because there's a lack of transparency or people

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Speaker 3: are kind of egging you on to believe it, like

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Speaker 3: the Birther thing in my opinion, but the Secret Service stuff,

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying there is, but I don't blame them.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean this is when people, I mean, on

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Speaker 1: the on the Epstein stuff for example, I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know all the answers about who ran the conspiracy

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Speaker 1: some of the Epstein stuff goes. Whether it's the FBI

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Speaker 1: not taking evidence when they're actually searching his house. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff there, But I have a theory.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. If I haven't read the book yet,

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Speaker 1: that conspiracies are just inherently more interesting to people, and

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Speaker 1: therefore it is just clickbait all the time. Any conspiracy

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Speaker 1: put my reputation in some jeopardy. I guess no one

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know my lizard per If I went

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Speaker 3: And that happens a lot now, especially on Twitter or

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Speaker 2: So the more like create, the crazier you are, the

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Speaker 2: more people are going to click on your stuff. I think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's a I think people who

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Speaker 3: or you know, they want to have some explanation for it.

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Speaker 3: people have all these these theories, but like, why wouldn't

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Speaker 1: It's secret Currency twenty twenty four dot com. David, I

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Speaker 1: But appreciate it, of course. But Rise of bluing on

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Speaker 3: Anyone could go to Amazon, Barnes and anywhere they sell

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Speaker 1: List and fantastic. We're gonna do what we can. Team

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Speaker 1: Buck is on it. David Harsanyi one of our originals.

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Speaker 1: Great to see you, man, Thanks and congrats on the book.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, Thanks, as always,