1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: They came in and grabbed him to make it look 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: like he was one of the guys as well. 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: But that was like the end of his job. If 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: you will, Hey, you did what you needed to do. 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: We got the guy nowt I never saw him again, 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: never heard his name again, never knew nothing at all. 7 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 2: As I know is that I was told that he 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: was an undercovered PDA. 9 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 3: Agent, and I'm damn near shit my pants, honestly, And 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 3: when they ripped me out, I saw them rip him out, 11 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 3: but it was a fake rip out because at this 12 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 3: point I don't know Jason undercover PA agent. So when 13 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 3: they pulled him out, you could almost see him like 14 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 3: just push him over to the left. I can actually 15 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: remember seeing that, and then I'm like, this fucking guy. 16 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 3: But anyhow, they threw me down, foot on my throat, 17 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 3: gun on my head and basically said you're in for 18 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 3: a long night, buddy from iHeartRadio. 19 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 4: In doghouse pictures. This is shock incarceration. I'm Jeff Key. 20 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 4: Mark was rolled over, handcuffed, and brought to the local 21 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 4: State Trooper barracks, where he sat there and waited for 22 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 4: a DA specialist coming in from Westchester County. Here's a 23 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 4: retired Special Agent in charge of the Drug Enforcement Agency 24 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 4: Tim Foley, discussing how task forces might originate. 25 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 5: I believe the investigation started based on local media reporting 26 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 5: in twenty eleven, where the Township of Woodbury, New York, 27 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 5: Police Department identified the Woodbury Commons Outlet Mall as being 28 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 5: a hub for or drug trafficking organizations. And the reason 29 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 5: I believe they determined that was that they had a 30 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 5: commercial retail public mall that's accessible off the highway, so 31 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 5: it's easy for drug traffic organizations throughout the state of 32 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 5: New York or New Jersey, let's say, use the interstate 33 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 5: highways to find something that's rhetorically available to do their 34 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 5: deliveries of drugs or sales there. The operation only comes 35 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 5: from several sources. It could come from an informant, somebody 36 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 5: who's providing information about that particular area. It could result 37 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 5: from arrests that the police department make in those areas. 38 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 5: It could result from cases that occur in other cities 39 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 5: that kind of overlap into those jurisdictions, and it kind 40 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 5: of culminates into an operation where it becomes multi leveled, 41 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 5: with state, federal, and local police departments working together to 42 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 5: address a public safety issue. 43 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 4: Mark realized that Jay was a DEA undercover agent who'd 44 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 4: been plotting this bust for several months. More than likely, 45 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 4: one of Mark's mini buyers had been recently arrested and 46 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 4: led agents to the Naughty Monkey and Mark, the self 47 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 4: described man with the blow. Mark was now kicking himself 48 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 4: as he thought back to how he first met Jay. 49 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 2: I didn't clear Jay, and that was mistake on my part. 50 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: Shame on me. 51 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 3: I mean, that's the golden rule, right, Who are you? 52 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: How do I know who you are? I don't know 53 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 3: And I didn't do that. And you know, but that's 54 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: because he was in our circle for a couple of weeks. 55 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 3: He seemed like a good guy. You're just going with 56 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 3: your gut. My gut said a what the hell? 57 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: Why not? The guy just wants to, you know, a 58 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: little bit of party. He wants to have a little 59 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: bit of fun. 60 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: So there was no vouching for him, and that was 61 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 3: the the should have been the biggest red flag for 62 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: me of all time when the guy asked me for 63 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 3: an ounce. Quite honestly, I do see it that he 64 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: was just doing his job. I should be mad at 65 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: myself and myself only that's what he gets paid to do. 66 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: He's an undercovered DEA agent and he did his job 67 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 3: pretty well. 68 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: Shame on me. 69 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 4: When the new DEA agent arrived at the Woodbury Police Department, 70 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 4: Mark was surprised at the first thing the agent wanted 71 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 4: to do. 72 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 3: And when the dagent got there, he was starving and 73 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 3: he said, we're gonna have to get some sandwiches and 74 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 3: was talking to the other cops and he said, do 75 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: you recommend anything, and I said, oh, you got to 76 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 3: go to Big Mics. I told him Big Mikes says 77 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 3: they got the best chicken partment. I said, I'll buy 78 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: for everybody. That's because I'm a wise ass. But they 79 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: kind of chuckled about it. They ordered sandwiches and I didn't. 80 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: Pay for it. We did our paperwork. 81 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 3: They asked me other questions, and quite honestly, I didn't 82 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 3: tell them where I got it from. I didn't mention 83 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 3: a name. I knew I was in trouble and I 84 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: knew I had consequences to pay. I didn't know exactly 85 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 3: what they would be, but I knew it wasn't good. 86 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 4: Given his situation, Mark reached out to the one person 87 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 4: he knew would have his back, Rob canepl Well. 88 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 3: First of all, this man has been unbelievable to me 89 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 3: as a friend, has a good advice, and I knew 90 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: I could count on him. That's why I called Rob. 91 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 3: I knew I was in a bad position. I knew 92 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: I fucked up, but I also knew at the end 93 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: of the day, it doesn't matter if it was two 94 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning, five o'clock in the afternoon, he 95 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: would drop what he's doing and he'd be there. That's 96 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: the kind of guy he is. I called him to 97 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 3: tell him what happened. He didn't bail me out that 98 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: night because I went. They took me to jail and 99 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 3: they were going to process me, keep me overnight and 100 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 3: then I would be eligible for release the next day. 101 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: So I had to go down to Orange County and 102 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 3: get fingerprinted and get checked in, and they put me 103 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 3: in a cell for the night, which ironically was cell 104 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 3: blocked d B seven. 105 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 6: Right. 106 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 3: I talked about my grandfather, Donald Boyd, and his birthday 107 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 3: was May seventh, So d B tell me my grandfather 108 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 3: wasn't there watching me? 109 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: Right, Honestly, I mean, you can't make that shit up. 110 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 3: But Rob came the next morning I think after they 111 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 3: processed me in paperwork and personal stuff back. 112 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 2: It was right around lunchtime. 113 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 7: I got him out the next day, picked them up 114 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 7: and I took him to eat, and I took him 115 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 7: to Kelly Jeans in Goshen, and he was a straw 116 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 7: and I bought him some food to settle down, and 117 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 7: I think you wanted to buy the people that were 118 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 7: there a drink. 119 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 3: I was absolutely shocked that I was in that position. 120 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 3: I knew I did not belong in that position, although 121 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 3: I did because of what I did, But that's not me. 122 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: It's not me. 123 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 3: And ultimately, really what I was thinking about the most 124 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 3: was what the hell am I going to tell my family? 125 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 3: What am I going to tell my mother and father? 126 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: How am I going to explain this to them? How 127 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 3: the fuck am I gonna explain this to my job 128 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: that I'm going to lose? That was going through my head. 129 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: I didn't care about an attorney at that time. I 130 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 3: knew I was in trouble and knew I was going 131 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: to get consequences, but more importantly, how am I going 132 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 3: to tell my family? 133 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 4: But before Mark dealt with his family, he needed to 134 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 4: get a lawyer to defend him and quickly. 135 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: The way I found Alan, my attorney, was through Rob. 136 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: Rob is a very well known guy in Orange County, 137 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 3: from political contacts, judges, attorneys, you name it. Rob has attorney. 138 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: That's his only client has Rob. And told him the 139 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 3: situation and he said, do me a favorite. Give Alan 140 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 3: to a call. I know him, you can use my name. 141 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 3: I feel that he'll do the best that he can 142 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 3: for you. We called Alan. I explained my situation to him, 143 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: and he said, can you be here? You know today, 144 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: I'm in the office. I have some time, so we'll 145 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: come right now. We went, We sat, we talked to him. 146 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 3: I felt confident. 147 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: I did. I have to tell you. 148 00:07:55,320 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: I felt he was extremely well educated and spoken human being. Clearly, 149 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 3: his credentials are posted all over his walls, been established 150 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: in Orange County for twenty five plus years. Told us 151 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: straight up, oh, I know all the prosecutors, I know 152 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 3: all the judd Now anybody can say that, but he did. 153 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: He did, played golf with them, you know all that stuff. 154 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 3: And I gave him a thousand dollars deposit that day. 155 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, I had to get it 156 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: from Rob because he had it on him, you know. 157 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: And he wanted ten thousand. That's what he wanted. Ten 158 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 3: thousand was the fee. And you know, he made a 159 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 3: few phone calls and he got all the facts from 160 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 3: the police departments of what had gone on. And I 161 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 3: was under the impression he was going to work for me. 162 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 3: He was going to touch base with the prosecutor and 163 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 3: touch base with everybody else that had some insight in this, 164 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 3: and try to work out something to keep me out 165 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 3: of jail. 166 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 4: Mark was consumed with thoughts about what he would tell 167 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 4: his family and friends, and he'd already missed a day 168 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 4: of work with no explanation so far. 169 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 2: Tony was my boss. So that next day I didn't 170 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: go to work and I made up some bullshit. 171 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I didn't answer the phone. I wasn't feeling good. 172 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 3: I'll be in tomorrow, and I was. I was in 173 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 3: the next day. I never said a word to him. 174 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 3: I didn't tell him anything that happened. I beat myself 175 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,479 Speaker 3: up and my brain was going a thousand miles a minute. 176 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 3: It's gonna be in the paper, and it was they're 177 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 3: gonna find out, and they did. They didn't find out 178 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 3: from me, they found out from the paper. That's ultimately 179 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: how my job found out that I got arrested for 180 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 3: selling coke. 181 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: I never told my boss. 182 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 4: Once the newspaper article was published, Mark began to face 183 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 4: the repercussions of his arrest. 184 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 3: It's a horrible feeling, an absolute horrible feeling. And you 185 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 3: don't know where to go, you know, sometimes because you're embarrassed, right, 186 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: and you don't want to bring a family member, and 187 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 3: you don't even want to bring sometimes your best friend. 188 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 2: And you know, how am I going to tell him that? 189 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 2: How am I going to tell him what I just did? 190 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 3: You know, when I lost my job, that was a bottom, 191 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: right I was let go from BMW. I was, you know, 192 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 3: making a six figured position, single guy company cor benefits 193 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 3: four oh one k. That's a bottom that was just 194 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 3: taken from you. That What are you gonna do? All right, 195 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 3: I gotta go get drunk. I gotta go get coke. 196 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 3: You know, I have to go do something to make 197 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 3: me feel better. There was a lot of bottoms. I 198 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 3: think that was a major bottom, losing a position, you know, 199 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 3: losing your job. 200 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 4: After Mark had lost his job at BMW, it was 201 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 4: just a matter of time before his parents found out 202 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 4: about his arrest. Mark knew he had to tell them 203 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 4: the news quickly so they would hear it from him first. 204 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 3: So I wanted to find out or get a good 205 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: understanding of what may happen before I told my parents. 206 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: I didn't want to have to tell them. 207 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 3: If there was no reason to tell them, I was 208 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 3: going to hide it from They wouldn't have seen the paper. 209 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 3: It was a local paper and Orange County. My parents 210 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 3: are in Jersey and they don't read the papers. Would 211 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 3: they found out eventually, I'm sure at some point, But 212 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 3: that was the least of my worries. My main thing 213 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: was what was gonna happen to me? So after we 214 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 3: spoke to the attorney, who was absolutely no help, he 215 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 3: told me Mark, it's your first offense. It's a larger amount. 216 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 3: In the state of New York, anything over fourteen grams 217 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 3: is considered an a one felony, So that I had 218 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: going against me. The things that I had going with 219 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 3: me was that it was a first time offense. I 220 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 3: had no priors. I have no criminal record, no history. 221 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 3: I don't even think I had a fucking parking ticket, 222 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 3: I'm serious, nothing, And he knew I had a job, 223 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 3: full time job. I was making six figures at the time, 224 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 3: not bad for a single guy, and he was going 225 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 3: to work with me. And I think I can do 226 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: everything I can and keep you out of jail. That's 227 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: all I wanted to hear. Keep you out of jail. 228 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 3: Those were the words I wanted to hear. And he 229 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 3: said that to me. He told me that. So I 230 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 3: did not tell my parents for a while, and I 231 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 3: wanted to wait for that first court case or whatever 232 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 3: the case may be that was going to come up. 233 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 3: I remember the date, which I think happens normal. It's 234 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 3: normal procedures. It gets postponed, and then the next one 235 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 3: gets postponed because they want to talk to the prosecutor. 236 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 3: They want to do this, they want to do that. 237 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 3: And I remember getting a phone call from him. If 238 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 3: I had a guess, it was probably it was in 239 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 3: the summer, June or July, and he said, Mark, I 240 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 3: got news for you. He says, there's a very strong 241 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 3: possibility you're going to jail. And my heart, I mean 242 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: I lost it. I literally just paused. I had to 243 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 3: take it in for a minute. You said I might 244 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 3: go to jail, Allen. Yeah, there's a very strong possibility. 245 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 3: They're looking to make an example at you. I'm a 246 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 3: Jersey guy. Billy was a New York guy. His father 247 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 3: had some local connections this and that. So you're putting 248 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 3: the pieces of the puzzle together. And when I truly 249 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 3: found out that I was going to go is when 250 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 3: I told my parents. And it was probably two months 251 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 3: before I went to jail, so I went in September, 252 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 3: So yeah, it was probably the end of July when 253 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 3: I actually told my parents. I said, hey, I got 254 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 3: to sit down and talk to you, and we did. 255 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 3: My parents are divorced, if you remember, they live in 256 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: the same town. So I actually had asked them, both 257 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 3: of them to meet me at King George Diner. Is 258 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 3: where we we sat at King George Diner, and I said, 259 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 3: I really have to talk to both of you. 260 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: I need both of you to be there. 261 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 3: They knew right away something was wrong, Believe me, they knew. 262 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 3: But I also wanted to do it in a public place. 263 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 3: Not that I was worried about my mother or father 264 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 3: are doing anything to me, but I felt a little 265 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 3: bit more relaxed at an actual diner, sitting there with 266 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 3: my parents versus in their house, believe it or not. 267 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: And I was in shock. I was stunned. And I 268 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 2: said what happened? 269 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 8: And he said I was doing something I shouldn't have 270 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 8: and they pulled me over and they found drugs in 271 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 8: the car. And I'm like, Mark, really, and I was 272 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 8: just so beside myself that the thought of it didn't 273 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 8: sound good. It wasn't like Dave's problem it was, And 274 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 8: so Dave said he would go with him to court. 275 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 4: Mark anxiously awaited facing the judge and hearing his sentence. 276 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 4: But before he went to court, he was able to 277 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 4: have one less dinner with Liz. 278 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 9: I think the night before he went to jail, we 279 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 9: went out to Anthony's col Far Pizza, which was one 280 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 9: of his favorite places, and I have a picture of 281 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 9: us that night, and he ate like it was his 282 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 9: last meal. 283 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: It was sad. 284 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 9: I mean, before he went in he was on blood 285 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 9: pressure medicine. 286 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: He definitely was not healthy. 287 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 10: He was eating chicken pol arms and chicken broccoli every night. 288 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 2: He needed to be healthy. It was kind of depressing. 289 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: So the day I went to court with my attorney, 290 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 3: I didn't know exactly was gonna happen. I knew I 291 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 3: was going to go to jail. They told me I 292 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: was going to jail, and he said we're looking at 293 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 3: probably three years. So we went into court and it 294 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 3: was a courtroom filled with other people. It wasn't just myself, 295 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 3: the judge and my attorney. There was case after case 296 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: after case after case, you know, and they called somebody up. 297 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 3: They do their thing, Mark Lombardo, So they called me up. 298 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 3: I went up, and my twin brother and my brother 299 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 3: in law came for support, just to see what was 300 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 3: going on. You know, your palms are sweat and you 301 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: don't know exactly what's going to happen. You're looking back 302 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 3: at your brother, your brother in law, you know, they're 303 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 3: giving you the thumbs up type kind of thing. And 304 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 3: I went and the one thing I specifically remember is 305 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 3: when the judge said, all right, we sentence you to 306 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 3: three years in New York State prison. And the bailiff 307 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: came over and he took me here, and I looked 308 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: back at my brother and I do remember crying. I mean, 309 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 3: I had a tier coming down, and it was a 310 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 3: horrible moment. It was a horrible moment in my life, 311 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 3: and that to me was bottom. I was fucking bottom 312 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 3: right there. And I actually saw my brother in law cry, 313 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 3: and I've never seen that before. So they took me 314 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 3: into another room and I had a suit on, so 315 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 3: they gave me the Orange County jumper and I said, 316 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 3: can I give my brother my wallet and my keys 317 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 3: and my clothes and he said, yeah, absolutely, So I 318 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 3: put her roll in a bag and they walked me 319 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 3: out and I said, here, take this. Just tell mom, 320 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 3: I'll see you're in three years. And that was fucking 321 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 3: bad because within a couple of minutes, I'm already thinking, 322 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 3: who's going to die when I'm in prison? Who might 323 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 3: pass away? Am I not going to be able to 324 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 3: go to a funeral? Am I not going to be 325 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 3: able to see a family member ever? Again? These were 326 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 3: thoughts that went through my head within the first ten 327 00:16:54,560 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: minutes of being escorted out, and that's not a good feeling. 328 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 3: The judge says, okay, we're going to sentence you to 329 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 3: three years, and I was literally handcuffed right there and 330 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 3: I was brought to Orange County Jail. 331 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 4: Some of his family, like his older brother Don, didn't 332 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 4: really know what Mark was facing until that court date. 333 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 10: Nobody had said anything to me about it, Like, nobody 334 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 10: was like, what's going on here? How is it that 335 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 10: I didn't know anything about this? And I find out 336 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 10: that they took him away, and then he was inside 337 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 10: and I was like, oh my God, like, now my 338 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 10: little brother's in jail. 339 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. 340 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 4: Mark's mother, Linda, was nervous as she waited for any 341 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 4: news about where he was being taken. 342 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 8: They took him, I took his clothes, took everything, you know. 343 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 8: So now where do I get. 344 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: In touch with them? 345 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 8: What can I do? How can I talk to him? 346 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 8: I knew nothing, nothing, had to wait for a phone 347 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 8: call from Mark. He was in Orange County, New York State. 348 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: I was there for eight days. 349 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 3: I was transported to Downstate facility in Fishkill, New York, 350 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 3: which is a very overwhelming facility for somebody who's never 351 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 3: been in prison. This place, it's a max prison. You 352 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 3: have people in there, you know, twenty thirty forty years 353 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 3: to life, arson, murder, rape. 354 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 6: It is. 355 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 3: The craziest place I've ever been in my life. 356 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 2: Old, cold, rusted. 357 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 3: It's something that you could see like a fifties movie 358 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 3: where you see the old bars, you know, and just 359 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 3: come out and concrete little cell with a thirty inch 360 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 3: metal bed and a mattress about that deck. You know, 361 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 3: your toy it's right in the center of the room, 362 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 3: you know, through your bars, people walking through you seeing 363 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 3: you're taking a shit. 364 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 4: When Mark first arrived at Downstate, Mark was given a 365 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 4: nickname by an inmate in the cell next to his. 366 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 3: The gentleman that was in the cell next to me, 367 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 3: it was a Latin king, and he asked me to 368 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 3: come to the bars. He said, hey, come to the bar, 369 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 3: I mean, walk up. I want to see you. So 370 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 3: I walked up here. He said what's your name? And 371 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 3: I said Lombardo. And he said what I said, Lombardo 372 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 3: And he said, I can't say that that's Italian. I said, yeah, 373 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 3: he says, your name's Linguini, and it's stuck from there. 374 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: I mean. 375 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 3: I wrote that in a letter to my family and said, hey, 376 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 3: you know. 377 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: They're calling me in Laguinian here, you know. 378 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 3: And it was funny because nobody that went was at 379 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 3: Downstate went to Ulster with me. But I told other 380 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 3: people that story about Ulster, and some of the people 381 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 3: that went from Ulster went to Shock with me, you know, 382 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 3: so a couple people continued to call me Laguini all throughout. 383 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 4: The Latin king also had a unique nickname of his own. 384 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 3: His name was maniac. And I asked him, I said, 385 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 3: can I ask you why they call you maniac? And 386 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 3: he said yeah, because I took my sister's cat and 387 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 3: I put it in a microwave and I turned it 388 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 3: on high until the cat exploded. And he said, my 389 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 3: mother called me a maniac. And he said, ever since then, 390 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 3: my family calls me maniac. That was That was the 391 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 3: second night in Downstate. That's how I started my journey. 392 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 4: Mark feared the dangerous felons that prowled in some areas 393 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 4: outside his cell. 394 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: But they had like a big room where there was 395 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: phones to call out, which would ultimately close fights because 396 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: there was like two phones and ninety people in this 397 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: one wing, you know, and of course they after, you know, 398 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: the big guy gets to call, you know. And then 399 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: they had this one little area where you could watch TV. 400 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: It was the place that I stayed away from. So 401 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: I was pretty much in the cell twenty four hours 402 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: a day. You showered three times a week, and that 403 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: was one by one by yourself. 404 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 6: You know. 405 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: You walk to a shower, guard stands outside you shower, 406 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: he walks you back. 407 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 2: I mean, it was a nightmare. 408 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 4: Mark's mother, Linda, was finally able to see your son 409 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 4: for the first time since he'd been taken to the 410 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 4: Orange County Jail from the courthouse. 411 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 8: I wasn't able to see him at Orange County because 412 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 8: they moved him to Downstate. The next time I saw 413 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 8: him was at Downstate, and it was heartbreaking to see 414 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 8: him come out with his head or shaved, and he 415 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 8: was very skinny. He lost a lot of weight. And 416 00:21:55,400 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 8: we were able to hug just once and with him 417 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 8: for I think an hour and Jack and just talk 418 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 8: about what he's been going through. He was nervous for 419 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 8: seeing us the first time, and he looked tired. 420 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 6: Ed. 421 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 4: Revere vividly remembered where he was placed before he entered 422 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 4: the shock incarceration program. 423 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 6: My recrrectional facility is hell on Earth. 424 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 9: When I went in there, you just cannot describe the tension. 425 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 6: Scary. It's pure fear. 426 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 9: As you go through the processing center, you finally get 427 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 9: assigned a cell that could be on Tier three, block 428 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 9: fifty two or something crazy like that. You walk into 429 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 9: your cell, you'll see just a old stained mattress, the 430 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 9: window that has a six pane window where two of 431 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 9: the panes are busted out, and snow's coming in a 432 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 9: toilet that has not been cleaned in five years, to 433 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 9: shit and piss all over it. 434 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 6: It was very intense. 435 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 9: It was you're with rapists, murderers, people doing multi life sentences. 436 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 9: And again, I'm a guy from upstate New York, where 437 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 9: he was from one of the largest high school classes 438 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 9: of eighty two students, So it. 439 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 6: Was just I wish it was bad. It was bad. 440 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 4: Ed describes the moment that he was most fearful. 441 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 9: So when they were in the mess hall or the cafeteria. 442 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 9: Now the cafeteria, maybe two three hundred people could fit. 443 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 6: In there easily. 444 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 9: Those guard towers where they would have rifles sitting there 445 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 9: with the red laser on it and they'd point it 446 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 9: right at you. But one time we're standing there and 447 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 9: as we're approaching to where they start getting in line 448 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 9: to get your food, four inmates jumped over and they 449 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 9: were running. 450 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 6: I felt like straight right at me, and. 451 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 9: I turned around, did not see a single correctional officer, 452 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 9: no correction and probably about three people in front of me. 453 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 9: They grabbed this very scrawny kid, grabbed him, started kidding him, 454 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 9: and next thing you know, I just see blood, blood all, 455 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 9: not just a little bit or I'm saying, it just 456 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 9: saturated the floor. 457 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 6: So other people are backing up. I'm backing up, and 458 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 6: now all of a. 459 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,959 Speaker 9: Sudden it may have been For me, it seemed like eternity. 460 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 9: It seemed like shocking. This kid was dead. They killed 461 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 9: him right in front of me. All of a sudden, O, 462 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 9: correction officers start showing up. They're like, who did it? 463 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 9: And on those guy goes did All the rest are 464 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 9: already now back on the other side, serving food like 465 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 9: nothing happened, you know. A correction officer like, okay, Bob, well 466 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 9: come along with me, you know the routine. But it 467 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 9: was no big deal. And here this person is just 468 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 9: laying there. So apparently this Bob is doing ten life sentences. 469 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 9: But the story goes that the individual that they pulled 470 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 9: out a line killed two children, so he never should 471 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 9: have been There's a lot of stories he never supposed 472 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 9: to be there, but he did, and correction officers kind 473 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 9: of had their breaks at the same time. 474 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 6: I'm like, how would they know? It was exactly that 475 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 6: guy like three in front of me? 476 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 9: So that was and if that can happen so easily, 477 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 9: just no real consequences, like dah, this just happens daily, 478 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 9: no big deal. 479 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 6: This life in prison. 480 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 4: Had quickly learned one way of avoiding being attacked in prison. 481 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 9: So when other inmates would approached and asked for your 482 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 9: paper they wanted to know what you were charged with. 483 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 9: And I was convicted of driving around intoxicated, and as 484 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 9: soon as they saw that they would leave you alone. 485 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 9: If you didn't have your paperwork, they would give you 486 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 9: a day to show your paperwork. And if you didn't 487 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 9: show it, they knew that you were a sexual predator 488 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 9: or some type. 489 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 6: So that wouldn't have been good. 490 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 4: Locked in a cage at a maximum security prison, Mark 491 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 4: received some unexpected news that changed his luck. He was 492 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 4: eligible for the Shock incarceration program, something he had never 493 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 4: heard of. 494 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 3: I was in that cell for twenty seven days, twenty 495 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 3: three hours a day. You showered twice a week during 496 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 3: that time. I was introduced to shock because I believe 497 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 3: in the state of New York, if you have a 498 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 3: three year or under sentence and it's a first time offense, 499 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 3: by the law, you are entitled to complete the show program, 500 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 3: which would help you eliminate your sentence. It was a 501 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 3: counselor that handed out pamphlets that went around to the cells, 502 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 3: gave you literature on different programs, whether. 503 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 2: It was drug related, alcohol related, you. 504 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 3: Know, different programs that you could because fishkill it's a 505 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,479 Speaker 3: holding cell essentially, and then when you get transferred to 506 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 3: whichever prison you're going to go to, they can help 507 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 3: put you into these programs. So I saw the opportunity 508 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 3: to do shock and I said, well this is for me, like, 509 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 3: I want. 510 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 2: This, I need this. 511 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 3: You know, I can get out early, I can save 512 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 3: two years. Am I sentenced by doing this program? Yeah? 513 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 2: Where do I sign? You know? 514 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,239 Speaker 3: And they took anybody that was willing to do that 515 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 3: was willing to want to learn about shock. They put 516 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 3: about thirty of us in a room. We watched the 517 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 3: video on what shock is all about, the daily routine, 518 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 3: what goes on, and they kind of lightened that video 519 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 3: up a little bit, you know, they made it look 520 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 3: a little better than it really is. But they said, 521 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 3: if you feel you, I think you can do this 522 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 3: sign at the bottom and we'll get you out of here. 523 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 2: And that's what I did. I signed it. 524 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 3: I remember writing my parents a letter about shock, and 525 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 3: I'm going to go this is what I'm going to do. 526 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 4: Mark got to connect with his childhood friend Jason before 527 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 4: he entered the shock incarceration program. 528 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 11: I remember talking to Mark prior to his shock. We 529 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 11: had a couple of conversations on the phone. He kind 530 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 11: of shared with me a little bit of the background 531 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 11: of what had happened. It gave me a little the why, like, Hey, 532 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 11: this is what was going on. And he said, Hey, 533 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 11: I'm going to enter into this program that's a military 534 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 11: style of corrections and it's going to be really hard, 535 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 11: but I think it's going to one kind of helped 536 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 11: me get back to the person that I want to 537 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 11: be and who I was, and also expedite my sentence 538 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 11: a bit. And I said, wow, it sounds interesting but challenging, right, 539 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 11: I don't think that you've gone through a military experience 540 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 11: and you are you sure that's what you want to do. 541 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 4: Mark spent two weeks at Ulster before leaving for the 542 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 4: Lakeview Correctional Facility in Brockton, New York. 543 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 3: They brought us to Ulster County Prison, which was essentially 544 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 3: a dorm style facility. It's a prison behind a wall, fences, 545 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 3: everything barbedire, but it was another holding pin, if he will, 546 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 3: until we were approved to fill a platoon or fill 547 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 3: a spot in the shock incarceration facility, and I was 548 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 3: there for two weeks before I went. 549 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 4: His mother, Linda, was able to see him one more 550 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 4: time before he was transported to Lakeview. 551 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 8: I can't really say a happy visit, but he was 552 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 8: looking forward to the shock program. He knew he had 553 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 8: to do what he had to do, and he was 554 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 8: very lucky to get that opportunity. And he pointed out 555 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 8: a couple of guys visiting with their family and he 556 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 8: would point out, Oh, he's coming with me. He's coming 557 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 8: with me, and the kind of became friends and looking 558 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 8: forward to whatever this shock program was. And he knew 559 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 8: in a certain amount of months he would be out, 560 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 8: so it was a little bit lighter. The visit was lighter. 561 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 8: He seemed to be a little bit more up. He 562 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 8: wasn't so dragged and down in the first. 563 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 10: Time as we saw him. 564 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 4: And soon after meeting with his mother, Mark began the 565 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 4: long bus ride to begin the shock incarceration program at 566 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 4: Lakeview Correctional Facility in Brockton, New York. 567 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: Maybe it's about thirty backers, he said, pack a batic. 568 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 2: We own your New York State owned nobody. 569 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 3: Don't do anything you're gonna make mistakes and we're gonna 570 00:30:52,560 --> 00:31:01,239 Speaker 3: call you out on everyone. The only time that there 571 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 3: is not a drill shocked around is when you're in 572 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 3: the shower and you have three minutes. And there was 573 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 3: a couple of times where some people threw a couple 574 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 3: of quick shots at somebody. It was just a way 575 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 3: to go in there, whack the guy and basically said, 576 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 3: don't fucking do it again. All right, you threw me 577 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 3: under the boss, you did this, I got you back. 578 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 12: Shock Incarceration is a joint production from iHeartRadio and Doghouse Pictures, 579 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 12: produced and hosted by Jeff Keating. Executive producers are Mark Lombardo, 580 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 12: Tommy James, Noel Brown, and Jeff Keating. Written by Jim Roberts, 581 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 12: Tommy James, Chris Rigazzo and Jeff Keating. Story edit by 582 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 12: Jim Roberts, Edit mix and sound design by Lame Kraus 583 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 12: from Herd's Creek Productions. Music composed by Diamond Street Productions, 584 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 12: accompanied by Tyler Greenwell, Danny Watanis, Sean Thompson and Spencer 585 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 12: garn I Shall. Thanks to Trinity Investigative Group and Mark 586 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 12: Lombardo's family and friends who contributed to the podcast