WEBVTT - EP 114: DJ BattleCat: Past Present & Future 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:05.760 When I wrote, y'all all across the USC conton Motts 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:10.719 Bay to l A, come on the California around the valley. 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.320 We represent that Kelly County. So if you're keeping it 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.160 real on your side of your town, you tune into 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:22.919 Gangster Chronicles the goals. He's gonna tell you how we go. 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:26.440 If I like my nose, a girl like Pinocchio, We're 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:29.200 gonna tell you to choose and nothing but the Gangster 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:33.760 chronic goals. This is not your average show. You're now 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:37.199 tuned into the real m. C A. Bick, James and 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:52.560 Bi Staires from the streets. Hello, five three two one. 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:55.640 We'd like to welcome you to another episode Against the 0:00:55.680 --> 0:01:01.920 Chronicles podcast now with my homeboys, Jill Man, it's night man. 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:04.640 We have um, I don't want to say special guests. Man, 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.560 we have a legend of them this month. You know, 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.440 DJ battle Cat Man. You know it ain't too many 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.840 people that can say they spanned three decades and some 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:17.200 ship no forth so forth. Do you realize, Dog, that 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.520 you've been making music more than some of our listeners 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.639 been alive longer than some of our listeners been alive. 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.360 I mean, I know now, but I can I definitely haven't. 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.520 I have that thought in mind from time to time. 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:33.679 But I've just been appreciating the fact that that they 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:36.399 they're still passionate about what I do, and they want 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.080 to be involved, and they want me to finish what 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.800 I started. So you know, it gives me gasoline to 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:44.480 keep going, all right, you know, because that's just what 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.480 it is. That's the vibe. Yeah, you know, let me 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:53.000 give this proper introduction, DC Powder. You know what I'm saying, 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.280 BC Powder Official With DJ battle Cat, I would hit 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:01.240 the applause, put the little pause through the little clause 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:14.000 affects me everything. Yeahlause too across the board. That's real ship, though, 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:17.480 And that's one thing about games, the chronicles. We bring 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:20.880 brothers on their positive brothers. I'm talking about for real, 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:24.280 for real, that's doing the thing. You got cats out 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.760 there that say, you know, you come from here, you 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:31.000 come from there, you're never amounted nothing. They get this 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:36.000 table here, that ship, and that's crazy that reality. They 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.800 gotta they gotta wake up because you know, divine order's 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.320 a beautiful thing once you understand what it is and 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:43.560 your purpose, you know. So this is the kind of 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.040 table I'd like to be at. This indeed. You know, 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:49.880 especially you're coming from the area that you come from, 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:52.440 you know, choices are limited. You could easily became a 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.440 victim to your circumstances around the community, but you use 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:58.959 your gifts and talents to elevate. Man, it wasn't even 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.200 so much the darkness. I've seen a lot of light 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:03.680 that could have brung me in. You know, because I've 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:07.400 seen some guys from my from my soulio, our neighborhood, 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:11.200 you want to call it tribe. They was more they 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.400 were there was more like heroes in the sense. And 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:17.160 I see that they still respect that their family, their 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.160 mothers and fathers. So when I've seen that, you know, 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:22.320 and I've seen the fun that they was having through 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.839 the the culture and the lifestyle of of doing their thing. 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.440 It that was the part that drew me in. But 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.799 you know, once you spend some time a little bit 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.320 more in debt with them, when you see the other 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.480 other activities that go on, you know, you you know 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.800 your curiosity. You know, if you ain't schooled right, you know, 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.720 you you could be drawn in and you never know 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:46.880 and you don't you don't know what how you built. 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:48.960 But some of it has been a blessing. I ain't 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.720 gonna lie to some of the glad of you're to school, said, 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:53.960 I haven't seen with how to you don't be a 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.080 stand up guy and don't let no one just walk 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:59.440 over you and stuff like that. You know, I haven't 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:01.320 had a few means on the block that was like, look, 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.280 if you can't keep your own bike, win't gonna keep 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.200 saving you. You know, we're gonna whoop your ass if 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.520 you ain't uh a standing up guy for your bike. 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:09.840 You know what I'm saying. We don't do all the 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.480 captains say we will be a big brother, but we 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:14.360 we can't do this all the time because that ain't 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.160 our get down doing that all the time. We want 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.000 to see some dudes who can stand on their own. 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:21.520 So next time that situation came around, just toughen up 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.720 and just you know, still still still still strong, do 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.479 the battling. He ran off and I was able to 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:31.240 go home with my fucking bike. I was very respected 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:32.800 more that way, and I was like cool, that was 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.880 what iut even being quoted on. But I was quoted 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:37.880 on in their heart because they see that I had 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.960 heart right exactly exactly. It was all I think it 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:46.080 was all the path of of living where we grew 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:52.920 up as young kids, as young adolescence, you know, eleven twelve, um, 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.800 watching the Big Homies was was intriguing to really was 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.800 that was our neighborhood hero so to speak. I mean, 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:03.200 I know you were taught in school, you know, the 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.560 Malcolm's and the Martins and get you a positive role model. 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.880 But you know, I looked at the big Old Jesus 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:13.760 and then they was protecting the neighborhood. You know. Uh, 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.040 some of them would school us and then telling us 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.880 what we should and shouldn't be doing or if we 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:22.280 had since enough to venture off in the music orld, 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.760 do whatever. A lot of the Homies would tell us. 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.320 You know, you should that should be your thing. You 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.120 know what I'm saying. I get it. You want to 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.480 represent the neighborhood. But you got you have choices, you 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:36.040 know that a lot of dudes didn't have. So it's 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:40.640 like you said, it was sort of like a teaching 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:44.120 lesson or those were are heroes so to speak. Kind 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.720 of you You you're basically lucky because in the sixties, seventies, 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:52.680 and the eighties, the Big Homies were totally different than 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.480 the Big Homies. You had today exactly what I'm saying. 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:59.040 Some of them that grew up in the sixties and seventies, 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.080 now you know, they went off to prison or you know, 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.520 the crack every sucked us up and we lost a 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:09.000 lot of good big homies. But back then, like my uncle's, 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.880 they were there to teach the little homies, the little cats. 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.000 They wanted to hang around them. So in the backyard 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.600 did show you how to play basketball? They was they 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:19.480 was teaching you if you if you don't know how 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:23.680 to fight, then we'll go home. You know, my cousins, 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:29.080 the Duffies. If I lost the fight over there, sat Pedro, 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:33.320 the motherfucker's made me dirt. You got the fight, you 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:37.119 know what I'm saying. But but in today, these kids, 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:40.000 some of these dudes ain't never had a fight. They 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.240 never had to get down like that. And then you 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.720 know the majority of them are bullies. You know what 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:48.039 I'm saying. They never had to fighting, didn't here you go, yeah, yeah, 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:51.479 I seen that hands on and and that's one thing 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:56.280 that I didn't wanna h add to my repertoire on 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:00.240 my personality, and you know, and being a young kid 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:02.839 coming coming into a younger del because I really didn't 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:06.720 like the feeling afterwards. You know what I'm saying. It 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:10.200 left an ugly feeling, and you know you will go 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.120 home flashing out on your brother or something you know, 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.480 or family member behind it, you know, because they don't 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:20.400 understand that that outside world, you know, it's like it is, 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:22.520 and so you you don't have no one for me. 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:24.880 For me, I was the oldest, so I still needed 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.280 a big brother even though I was the oldest. So 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:29.720 you know a lot of my big brothers was the 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.119 brothers on the block. So I get what you're saying. 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:38.160 I appreciate that for the fullest exactly. You know, you've 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.160 been making rigors for a long time. Like I said 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:43.720 it before, Right, you come in the studio with Reppert. 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.679 Nowaday you're coming there with a repper Do you already 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:48.720 kind of have in your mind what you want to 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.480 do with that artist when you come in. Uh, that 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:55.320 depends on the relationship. Early on, I didn't have they 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.160 didn't have any records out. You know, I was dealing 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.200 with people who was brought into it like I would us. 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:05.440 So excuse me. All I had was this word of mouth. Uh, 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:10.720 sometimes of that invitation to to to to make music 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:14.680 for some for someone. So when they get there, um, 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:16.240 of course I want to hear where they had, if 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.680 they got some previous work, you know, cassettes or something, 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.760 because that's when when the cassette days was our here's something. 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:23.560 And if they didn't hand the material, they was just 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.600 wrong on this bus, get down acapella, or I'll put 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.840 an instrumental on. Being a DJ, I would put some 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.880 instrumentals on and just just here their skill setting voice, 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:36.800 you know, and um, I would just go from there. 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:40.560 And then one thing about me with words, I was 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:45.440 like to bring the backdrop to words, you know from 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:49.720 watching movies, you know, television and going to certain things 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:52.800 and seeing people speak, or even growing up on records 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.400 like the Last Ports and Ports and the Watts Profits 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.240 and you know, Mom had that plan so that I 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:05.520 got a chance to appreciate word play early on. So 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:09.000 by time this hip hop thing came, we're talking about 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:13.160 eight eight two, you know, I didn't really start getting 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:19.880 down to about maybe I want to say, uh, eight 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:25.280 eight eight. So but yeah, that's that's that's my initial thing. 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:27.240 You know, it's just handing a voice, and then I 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:30.559 just go from mind. Either they're coming with a specification 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.720 if they're really good with hearing music, you know, knowing 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.640 what they want. Yeah, got this sample. That's that's what 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.040 the hip hop game was when they first started, you know. Um, 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:44.520 so they were bringing their little twelve inches or forty 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:47.880 fives or concessing. I played, and you want you want 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.200 to chop up? You want this part right here, chop it, 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:54.920 loop it and just arrange it. So they sung that 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.280 that song structure to their lyrics and then next thing, 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:00.480 you know, week we're rocking and rolling. Yeah, because one 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:04.760 thing I noticed that you do really really well is like, 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:08.120 let's say you're making the track for eight M. You're 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.840 specifying it to him, but you still got your signature 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.120 battle Cat sound. You can still tell that's a battle 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.199 Cat track. That's a BC Pounder track, you know what 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:19.040 I mean? That's about. And to get to it and 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:23.320 for those who are polished I do and already have 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:27.000 a track record a good material out there. Of course 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.280 I listened to it because the thing is just supposed 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.840 topos to bringing things to the table where it feels 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:36.640 like it's relevant but it's still new and it's and 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:40.080 it's and you're putting their sound and your sound together. 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:45.760 So what I would do was incorporate uh certain instrumentations 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:52.359 uh uh, meaning from their previous records. I would incorporate 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.000 some of it. I know that like with eight, he 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.480 like jazz, she's like hip hop, he like R and B, 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.240 and he like funk. So and you know, to work 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.560 with him, I'll just make sure that I got maybe 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:08.000 two or three of every genre, so I won't I 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.880 won't miss you know what I'm saying. To cover the 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:14.640 different temples and moves swing, it could be laid back 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:19.240 and don't want uh our energy jazz track. You might 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.360 want to lay back jazz track. So I would do 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.520 one mid temple smooth and one kind of up temple, 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.320 because that's what you're supposed to do. You gotta go 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:31.040 outside the box. If he never been on something in 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:34.360 another style in the vein that he likes, that's that's 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.400 what a producer needs to do to challenge so on 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:41.880 and show diversity in their in their creativity. That's what 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:47.240 really creates a longevity relationship with producers and writers in 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:51.640 this thing called you know, entertainment. I think it's producers 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:57.880 who are crafted and know they work. Basically, you get 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.520 producers sometimes who just throw you in anything. But then 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:05.120 there are producers who know the artists, like like like 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:09.720 like he said, I know what dog raps two, know 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.680 what they eight wraps too. So it ain't like you 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:16.160 gotta like to build a bear bullshit, like let me 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.320 try to figure out what he likes, or I'm gonna 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.679 come to the studio with this all kind of ship. 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.840 He already know the direction. So that's a good producer 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:25.640 to me because I don't have to sit up and 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:29.680 tell him motherfucker life, Well, uh, you should listen to this, 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.040 or you should listen to this, or you should listen 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.680 to that. Then you're kind of get my flavor. Good 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:38.320 producers already know the artists. Stay working with so off 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.120 the gate. Or if I'm working with this cat, already 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:43.320 know what type of beat to make him, you give 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.800 me because that's his track record. So just say you're 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:51.000 walking into the door, you would have expectations of battle Cat. 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.560 You already know what I would have expectations of. He 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:56.800 already know what I like, So he ain't gonna come 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.400 with no ship that I'd be like, Oh, that's some 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.360 ship that so and so will wrap two or that's 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:06.040 something that that cat would wrap two and everything he 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.679 probably wore. And and then it's like he said, it's 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:12.200 good to be diverse. Let you try something different. See 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.920 if he liked that. You get me. You know, I 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:19.199 ain't just want to mention I'm coming with my bag 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:24.480 because if his past relationships or anyone, you know, he 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.480 still got his his relationship with us with his jeez, 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.520 are you know whoever he's getting down with. But sometimes 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:34.760 when you live life, sometimes different things happened to you 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:38.080 in the inside about your taste of music, and you 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:42.080 be needing a sound that that is transparent with what 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.920 you're feeling. So you know, you mentioned a couple of 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.320 things that was key now with me being successful, I 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:53.880 have had these talks with certain artists who really know 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.880 music without composing it and challenged me and said, hey, 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.040 can't you should get back in your bag or let 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.080 me give you this. If they'll say this is what 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:05.040 what else I've been listening to? And I like that 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.800 because they know I'm gonna know about it once I 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.640 hear it. Because of my instrumentation, I'm gonna musician first 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:16.160 before the title of a beatmaker. My my first passion's 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:21.200 drums and percussion, then keys, so I understand rhythm all 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.360 away across. Plus I used to pop blocks, so I 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.800 understand rhythm and dancing. And you know, when you're making 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:28.920 music and you be and as you being a DJ, 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.560 you know, you really know how to captivate a crowd 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.400 and the audience. And you must be open minded. Because 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.160 when I wasn't open minded, I see where that got me. 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.640 But when I start opening my mind about the different audience, 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:46.360 I think, I think, uh, Greg mckin uh and Roger 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:49.440 Clayton from Minchael James on me and k they by 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:53.000 them being up on the both of those entities, it 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.880 showed me a lot about how to not lose your crowd, 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:01.640 your audience, you know. And so m once I start 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:07.080 understanding people as a young kid, they move swings, where 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.560 they come from and what they're looking to do once 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.760 they're getting in a place like a club or or 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:17.000 house party. Your thing is is to build the momentum 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.800 of of a good time, and so you must listen 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:24.840 to records that can really captivate and and really move 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:29.320 the crowd. You have a responsibility to command the audience 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:33.000 and take them someplace where it feels like an adventure. 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.440 So when they go back home. They're not really thinking 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:40.360 about their problems. They really more motivated to do something about, 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:44.000 you know, the situation at hand, and music does that. 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:47.800 They really bring a lot of you know, different views 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:52.000 and perspective where you you know you you're you have 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.520 a better chance in life. You know, we heard let 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.680 the Curtis Mayfields. You know when those who say they 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:01.400 live with this type of music, it's also a lifestyle 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:05.520 that goes with the music. So you have a responsibility 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.240 to be that. You know, if this if this music 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.280 is your it's the soundtrack to your day. And whether 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.240 you're going to pay a bill or going to see 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.600 a girl or see a family member. You know that 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.400 music and the message in it can set the tone. 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:23.480 And that's what I always understood early owners as a 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:27.240 kid being a musician to a world were now producer 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.120 and he was a DJ too, because I noticed all 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:33.480 the great producers are DJs as well, even the ones 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.480 that don't got DJ in front of the you know, 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.600 in front of the in front of their name, or 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:40.600 you go back to the day and you find out 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:43.040 that they did have a DJ at one time, like 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.920 like when I got an invitation to see Jimmy Jammy 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.360 Terry Lewis. Come to find out Jimmy jam was a 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:53.520 DJ first before he was a full fledged music musician, 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:56.600 and and and and uh it made so much sense 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:00.400 abhout his rhythms. It's like it was like they work. 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.840 You know, that's the West Bend, you know, Alexander O'Neil 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:08.800 sarell or even with the rap uh Homie from Long 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:12.600 Beach Bad Times that yeah, you know he that's Jimmy 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.560 jam and Terry Lewis early on with hip hop and 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:19.600 R and B. So you're right. And all the DJs 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.399 that was in the late seventies that I knew that 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:27.359 was producers. Dre is one of them, uh, Greg Royals 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:32.439 rest in Peace, Uh, Sidney Thomas, d J. Redge, you know, 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:36.960 Egypts and Love and Roger dam guys uh and then 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:38.919 the rest of our crew, you know, the rest of 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.960 my Kady Mixed Masters are end up being producers as well, 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:48.200 Joe Cooley, uh, Ralph M. Trasky, Romeo, Jam and James. 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.159 There's something in the name, you know. And and and 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.560 it pays It paid off for us doing that. You know, 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:59.080 we had a sense of responsibility of getting into the 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.640 production world. You know what I'm saying, because we we 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.720 was it was in the man. We needed music that 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:09.800 was relevant to where we from because we didn't have that. 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.920 My music was kind of all over the place before 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:17.040 we found an yea and purpose. Yeah, let's pay some 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:21.960 bills real quick and checking in with our sponsors. Do 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:23.280 you know what I want to go back to. I 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:27.199 want to go back to the eighties. Oh okay, we 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.960 can go back to the eighties kind of right. Yes, 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:33.520 you remember the California Kick. Yes, I was a kid 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:37.920 they mixed Master as well as um uh California Cat 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:42.080 Crew remember. And what it was for me is because 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:43.760 I always always wanted to be a part of a 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.760 crew because, like I said, I was the oldest. So 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:50.640 if I was blessed not have the hood like E was, say, 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.360 take me under. They really encouraged me to get out 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.040 and do my thing. You know. I was already DJ 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.719 and the host parties and and black tie affairs and 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:04.440 all of that type of stuff and birthdays, but being 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:07.160 in the California Cat Crew was gonna I thought would 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:12.399 be the next best thing to earn Roger Clayton of 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.000 uncle Jim ormaner one of the finals. I would be 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:18.280 able to earn his trust and respect with a reputation 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:22.280 because he wasn't really letting people in and he knew 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.600 that certain backgrounds of the neighborhoods we was found to 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:29.080 come with consequences. And so that's one thing he tried 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:32.879 to do was not alienate people who come from you know, 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:36.560 the different parts of the neighborhood. But you know, sometimes 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:40.840 it's it's a given if they're uh cheerleading your your 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:44.400 your your craft and your reputation, you know, of course 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:47.280 they want to come and support, you know, and uh 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:52.720 having people's skills. But that California Cat crew was me, Bobcat, 0:19:53.640 --> 0:20:02.000 uh kid cat Um scratch Cat, and uh of course 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:05.000 Bob himself, you know, so you got you know, Pooky 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:09.480 Pooky uh and Bob was definitely not right down the 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:11.240 street from me. You know, it was a skip in 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.119 the hop, you know, traveling from the sixties to the fifties, 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:16.520 you know, we got the ben g s they blood, 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.439 you know, and I used to walk from my hood 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:21.639 through their hood to get to Bob. You know what 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:27.480 I'm saying. Because his professional approach and hunger and passion 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.400 for Dejing was at an all time high. I mean, 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:34.800 and and uh that that was the closest guy I 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:39.080 could get to to to, you know, to to be 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:43.600 able to hand this message over to egyps and Lover 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:45.439 and Roger said, Hey, I got a little you know, 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:49.760 a little homie. You know, he's on time, he dressed right, 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.800 his records is up to date, and he knew how 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:56.439 to play. I put him on. I gave him a 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:59.920 platform to play, and he didn't run the audience you know, 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:01.959 on the fan, you know, or what not, you know, 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:04.160 off the floor. He kept him on the dance floor 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:07.920 his transition and time and was superb because that's one 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:11.639 thing about the art of DJ, and you still had 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:15.240 had to represent in a way where you look like business, 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:17.359 you look like a DJ, and you look like you 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:22.480 come to captivate, you know, uh, invitation to a club 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.760 or a concert. So that that helped me tremendously to 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:28.880 be up under his his his crew, and it gave 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:31.560 me so much game because we end up going I 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:33.760 end up going to the same high school that he 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.720 went to. Well, I could see him hands on and 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.120 when I seen him play with the Gypsy and Love 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.719 and Roger, it was it was it was incredible, you know, 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:47.480 because we got principles grown adults there, Jona Church, you 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:51.119 know that new vibe. So I'm watching the whole demographic 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:55.120 and demonstration of how they had to take another look 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:56.800 at Bob and go, you know what, it's not just 0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:01.280 the food for mother, the photos, cripping and acting. Then asshole, 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:05.639 he really have a skill set that doesn't exist in 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:08.000 the school because we didn't have that kind of academic 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.920 or whatever in our class, you know, far as DJ. 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:16.840 But you know, it was something to appreciate, and uh yeah, 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:20.240 I just followed his footsteps. I filed shout out to 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:26.280 my big brother, DJ Bob, Big Bob, I'm on you. 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:29.920 I want to stay during this time period because this 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:32.679 is important. What was the streets of l a Like? 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:35.040 Because because one thing about Los Ange, there's one thing 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:39.200 about music. Period of music pretty much mirrors the community. 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:41.600 What's going on in the community at that time. What 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:43.480 was the streets of l a Like during that time? 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:45.159 We can all y'all can all the left right on 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:52.879 that um Man during the head during that for years 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:56.840 we're talking about like you know, eighty nine, I'm talking 0:22:56.880 --> 0:23:05.359 about five through like that. That's understand. The streets was vicious, 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:10.840 um gang Dangan was vicious. Uh drive by New drive 0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:13.840 By was that? I mean, Ship Niggas was getting smoked 0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:17.919 like every every day. I mean especially in content. I 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:21.240 know Niggas was shoot crazy. So the music to me, 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:28.240 um and it was all Parliament and George Clinton and 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:32.080 and you know the wrap Wrap for us was kind 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:35.160 of off, man, I mean, hood Niggas was used listening 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:38.439 to or Bounce and motherfucking I heard it through the 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:41.639 grape vine. Well that was the Gamester rep that was 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:43.919 there before Rep. That was kind of like the music 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:46.920 that was. And then you know, you had like you said, 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:50.639 we had Egyptian Lover, We had l a dream team 0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:54.240 Bobby Jimmy and the Critters and ship like that. Are 0:23:54.359 --> 0:24:00.560 wrapp didn't show neighborhood substance until Todd in Space came 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:03.880 with the t v K takes and they started they 0:24:03.920 --> 0:24:07.359 started doing the parodies off of like you know, where 0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:10.479 the Al Yankovic would do. He would take motherfucker's music 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:13.240 and make his own songs. So thus we had the 0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:16.960 battle Ram off the Wrapping Duke. We had motherfucking the 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:19.800 Clucks come Out at Night off of Whodini's Freaks Come 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:24.800 Out at Night. You know, we had motherfucking you know, 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:28.520 just say no and Spade with the Compton posse and 0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:34.080 rapping off the genius of love and um. That was 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:40.600 our introduction to the neighborhood rap, introduction to nigga selling dope, 0:24:40.880 --> 0:24:43.960 you know in the neighborhoods Our introduction to the battle 0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:46.520 Ram and Darryl Gates and the fund Up l ap 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:49.960 D and Mayor Tom Bradley and all that ship. That's 0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:52.480 where I learned about all that ship listening to time 0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:55.840 tapes because they talked about all that ship. Ship that 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:59.920 wasn't being broadcasted or seen. They was giving you the 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:03.439 information about what was going on in the neighborhood. So 0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:07.520 that was my introduction to ship. You need to bring 0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:14.520 your ass up your another another. That's then that's with 0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:17.960 that transition, we started getting the banging on wax, battle 0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:20.439 Cat and them came along with my nigga Domino and 0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:25.600 all hips. That's what that was. That's that was our 0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:29.840 era of music. It started to transition. I loved I 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:33.720 like how you put that because all I could do 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:36.720 is just give you the West side of South Central perspective. 0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:41.520 It was that and then something because uh, the record 0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:46.919 stores and the DJs UH existed existed a lot in 0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:49.159 a lot of the South central areas. We had to 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:52.440 sloss in the Western DJO down the street right across 0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:56.720 the street from the Slash and Swape met um we had. 0:25:57.119 --> 0:26:00.800 Even in Guardina. It was a couple of other locations 0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:04.159 where we were a lot of the DJs are homies 0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:06.439 from the streets will actually go to these v I 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:11.040 P and record stores to go get they uh the 0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:14.280 go get their music. But then the mix tape game 0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:17.479 for us UH paid off because I was able to 0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:23.600 start hearing other different neighborhoods uh farther from me, you 0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:27.640 know what I'm saying, like Compton, Long Beach and and Guarden. 0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:35.280 I started hearing people's uh expressions of their experiences of 0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:37.320 life through music. I was all of them tapes was 0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:40.879 coming across. And you know which kind of prepared me 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:43.679 forebanging on wax, you know, because you had Quick making 0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:46.879 his mix tapes and and and and it was Crypts 0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:49.520 actually playing his tapes. I didn't hear from a blood. 0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:54.120 That was another thing they ignored what you know, wasn't 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:56.600 the customed to they is because of the where they 0:26:56.720 --> 0:27:01.120 was from. But they saw his gift beyond at and 0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:06.320 so well, now I just incorporated all what was happening 0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:08.560 in the streets and it just groomed me. So when 0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:12.280 Teddy not Teddy, but the homio tweety Bird from Compton 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:16.960 and U my other boy Red Rum, you know from 0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.919 from Inglewood. You know, when them two came together with 0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:25.960 their unique idea to start voicing, uh, the big homies 0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:30.639 who was more in depth what the real things that 0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:35.680 was happening without given too much uh you know insight. 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:40.159 You know, they was very good. We're talking about the layers, 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:44.000 light layers or the first layers of the greedy, the 0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:49.119 greediness of cripping and blood and and and uh tribes 0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:52.760 and tripulations and adversities are broken homes and the police 0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:55.440 in the whole nine yards. So it groomed me and 0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:59.520 it prepared me for that. And I think Leon Heywood 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:03.240 and a couple of other individuals for that opportunity because 0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:06.480 I didn't see that coming. That was like a shock, 0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:10.240 a shock value to my to my craft and what 0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:12.680 I'm gonna do better before you doing it? Because you 0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:14.600 want to hold another subject now, because I was gonna 0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:17.880 speak on banging on wax. It's connected to all that 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:22.080 when he when he said eight, it got close and 0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:24.359 got real super close. That's the only reason why I 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:26.680 gave you that gym. Yeah, And what I'm gonna do 0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:28.280 is I'm gonna tell y'all a lot there for you'all 0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:30.880 youngsters to go do your research and for the ogs 0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:34.280 to know to know when Banging on Wax hit, it 0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:37.919 was like atomic bomb in the streets that hit because 0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:41.280 you for the first time you had every card that 0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:44.160 you heard go by, whether there was a blood or 0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:47.320 a crypt, it was playing the same music and it 0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:50.200 kind of brought something. And um, that album wouldn't go 0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:56.560 a lot of people radio play. And you know, you 0:28:56.600 --> 0:29:00.000 know how Scandler Ship was back then. If it wind't 0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:02.000 go here to the United States, you know they probably 0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:05.360 sold West Coast music, especially back then at that time. 0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:08.440 Anything West Coast. You go to Japan, it was on. 0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:11.680 We was out there getting We took as Big eight, 0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:13.920 We took we took dads out there. We took me 0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:16.600 and Coke. He took dads and glasses out there they 0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:19.560 first time in Japan. And we was out there setting 0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:22.880 CDs four hundred and fifty dollars dog and in fifty 0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:24.920 dollars so ain't no telling what they sold out there. 0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:27.320 But not to cut you off, I want to get 0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:29.520 back to it. I just wanted to drop the significance 0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:38.000 of that that CD carry. Um excuse but um, you 0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:42.760 know when that happened, you know, it was some question 0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:47.400 marks definitely going across my head because I know these 0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:52.040 it's a it's a g code and how much information 0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:56.040 is going to be you know, expressed over this music. Yeah, 0:29:56.960 --> 0:30:00.640 the thing about it was if we could change the narrative, 0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:04.520 we had to do it first about keeping it raw 0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:09.760 and express why this attitude, why this language, why this 0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:14.960 lifestyle and cultures like it is? Uh? And definitely it 0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:19.880 comes from poverty, stricken in those situations or father not 0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:23.560 there or mother not there and and the block hugging 0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:28.200 you and this is what they're you know, adolescent or 0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:33.600 rules or lifestyle is going to be. So. But if 0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:37.840 the thing was is that that's just embrace it. So 0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:43.000 it felt weird to to perpetuate the genocide aspect of it, 0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:46.960 meaning what we've seen, what we're talking, what we lived 0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:51.320 on the streets, it's now, but to be amplified ten 0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:55.200 times more because it's another thing, you know, how it 0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:57.360 is you take a song, you put your own spin 0:30:57.440 --> 0:31:01.520 on it. But now we're do in the video and 0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:05.680 now we're putting it on cassette for distribution and the 0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:11.320 corporation behind this culture, it's gonna be looked at all 0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:14.320 kind of ways. So I had to find a name 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:19.840 for myself, and it was Sea Rider. I'm more of 0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:23.680 a rider than a banger. I knew better, you know, 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:28.840 And I really wanted to be that for numerous of 0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:33.320 reasons because I didn't want to uh tarnish a real 0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:38.280 name that I earned, uh through some heroes and in 0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:41.240 the in the music industry, and that was battle Cat. 0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:44.440 I didn't want to be battle Cat from sixties. I 0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:48.040 wanted to be Sea Riders from sixties. So when people 0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.560 see that, they're gonna have their own spending perspective. Oh, 0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:52.720 kid from out of the sixties are over there from 0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:56.480 the sixties. It's okay. Because one thing I wanted to 0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:59.320 do was make sure that my own identity personally and 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:03.200 professional it was was embraced. Like That's one thing I 0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:06.760 did level about I still do about the g from 0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:11.360 my hood day. They they let me be me, and uh, 0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:13.760 that was a beautiful thing to have that so I 0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:17.760 could uh bring that into making the record. But at 0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:20.000 first you know and you know how it is in 0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:24.920 the pind if you going to take uh a name 0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:27.960 that is not on the platform of music and not 0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:30.760 appreciate it at at all, and you and you and 0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:34.520 you say rolling sixty r SC who is this dude 0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:38.000 that's representing us? And when would he win? So it 0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:41.560 got to the top that and this this is it's 0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:44.680 a nigger perpetrating us. And then when they found out 0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:46.800 I was off to a g C and it was 0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:50.320 actually me and my reasons it's because I wasn't the 0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:53.520 one from my hood really rapping. But we had a 0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:55.960 big hooman from my hood who had a brother named 0:32:57.560 --> 0:33:03.080 Banded uh uh. He was He was real good and 0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:06.160 the auto rapping, but he went and did time. So 0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:07.920 I didn't have no one from my hood to be 0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:12.040 a voice. So that's when I became that artist for 0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:15.320 that movement, and the success of it was to really 0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:18.960 like like when it got to ghetto boy, I mean 0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:20.880 not ghetto boy, but I would say that the ghetto 0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:25.240 boys are what the chronic was. I was looking for 0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:28.840 the maturity of cripping and blood and to go to 0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:32.080 another level where We're now not talking about knocking each 0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:36.480 other's all off, because we already got cousins, brothers, sister's 0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:41.360 wife's husband from you know, from that perspective going into it. 0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:44.040 So and then I was looking at it being another 0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:49.400 opportunity to introduce different other barrels or ghettos or tribes 0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:53.360 to another neighborhood. You know what I'm saying, Because in 0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:56.000 the art of Dijon, that's I always had to dress 0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:58.720 neutral and make sure that whoever I was bringing with 0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:03.080 me had an open mind and and didn't bring fear 0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:05.760 to the table by going with me to these different neighborhoods. 0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:09.359 So that was my contribution. They wanted to do this 0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:13.440 thing called banging on wax so we can re educate 0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:17.480 people and uh and get people to know who's who, 0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:21.440 because if you ever go back going across Compton, you 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:25.120 know you I didn't have no one until I actually 0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:27.279 did banging on banging the wax. It was I was 0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:29.640 able to get someone to help me identify what was 0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:33.000 the lochest dollar or the language or culture of of 0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:37.600 of Compton. And so that helped me tremendously. I thought 0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:41.040 banging on wax when I listened to it it was 0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:47.000 us banging against them and the crips doing them. But 0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:51.240 the way you putting it is like trying to change 0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:55.440 it through music. Um to get to put a different 0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:58.839 spin on it through music. And I didn't look at 0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:02.840 it by listening to uh yeah when yeah. I didn't 0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.240 look at it like that like they're trying to change 0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:07.879 something like like but it was just wrong. And let 0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:09.919 me let me I'm glad you jumped in and say that, 0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:13.799 because see, for me, that's why a domino came out 0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:17.560 of it. Feel me. We I don't want I didn't 0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:22.040 want us to be looked at as just that because 0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:25.680 if you take the pillars of it off, you got 0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:30.040 some incredible human beings and we always looked at as 0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:34.080 a fucking animal. So why look at that image as 0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:38.440 a career. See, because a lot of those brothers wasn't 0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:45.040 really active our shot callers from their from their hood. 0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:49.640 They were just being in a sense like what what 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:53.560 what what? What? What? What? What? What? Um uh Cube 0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:58.759 in a sense was a messenger and vood for the 0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:02.399 neighborhood and not really active member like me. I wasn't 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:06.160 an active member. Drake was an active member. You know, 0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:07.920 it's a lot of us in this game. We're not 0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:11.400 active members, but we held a connected understanding the culture 0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:16.480 of the movement. I mean, but listen, I ain't gonna 0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:19.880 say I'm not gonna say that that didn't exist, you know, 0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:24.920 but um, that was my intent. But yeah, that was 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:28.520 my intent, and and and it worked and in more 0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:32.399 ways than one because I wasn't there to change no one, 0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:36.680 but it would have been incredible to hear what if 0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:40.080 the second one had to be that same level of 0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:44.600 you know this and each other. I still wanted the 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:50.160 conversation to open up, to show some maturity from both 0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:53.640 both sides, you know what I'm saying. And so when 0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:55.680 you do that, then people can go and say, Okay, 0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:58.439 that's that's the story, and they really who they are, 0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:02.560 but they really human beings underneath all that. Because we're 0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:05.960 dealing with the mayors, the government, we're dealing with police, 0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:09.040 we're dining with sheriffs, were dealing with judge. You know, 0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:11.520 when they heard that music, they're just like, oh ship, 0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:14.640 they're gone wild. They they not for the become nothing 0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:18.520 out of this. So don't you think, uh another you 0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:21.400 have y'all should do this again, because now and everything 0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:25.600 is different than the eighties the nineties, with with all 0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:29.440 this ship that's going on today and and gang members 0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:32.160 crossing over, you know, able to shoot at the table 0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:34.520 with each other. You know what I'm saying. From all 0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:38.279 walks aside now here we are on some total different ship. 0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:40.920 Now we can speak that. Man if I didn't know 0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:45.120 this brother from from from being from Tragnew have been 0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:47.399 working with him a long time ago. Now we can 0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:49.640 write about that ship. You can get your bloods, you 0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:51.480 can get them on the same page and do it. 0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:54.200 And that would be some cold ship, Big James. I 0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:56.160 think it got a lot to do with you know, 0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:58.600 Like I said, the budget that I've seen in the 0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:01.680 maturity of the Brothers. I've seen early on in the 0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:03.600 eighties that was crippling and blood. And they still have 0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:08.880 some morals and principles. But when you got jeeves that 0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:13.279 are ignorant and on the dark side and changing a 0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:18.160 code or whatever that it is, and the perpetuating something 0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:24.040 that doesn't bring value to the lifestyle of crippling and blood, 0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:27.920 and then you got them going uh in the circle 0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:30.160 that they confused. They're like, come on, become me. I 0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:34.640 see you doing good and I see you providing this 0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:37.600 and this in from you, But why won't you bring 0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:42.000 it all the way out across the board. And it's 0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:44.000 just like putting the laundry on the table that the 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:47.520 ends and the outs of how to will and deal? 0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:51.360 How when when when do I turn this off? You 0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:53.000 know what I'm saying. And and a lot of a 0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:55.120 lot of different neighborhoods, a lot of them didn't want 0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:58.920 to turn it off because they glorified it. You know, 0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:01.480 it wasn't you know, I didn't. I didn't. I wouldn't 0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:04.200 privy to see those meetings. And even if I was, 0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:07.400 I know, for me, I didn't want to be in 0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:10.280 the room and I'm not active and that's not my lifestyle. 0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:12.640 And I hear this, and then when ship go wrong, 0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:16.080 then they're looking at who was the who was all 0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:19.040 in the room when this was being talked about. So 0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:21.600 I knew then early on, I didn't really want that. 0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:26.319 I didn't want to be the the what what you 0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:28.520 know the title that they you didn't want to be 0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:32.320 the pup, Yeah, exactly. And there's a lot of brothers 0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:35.759 who who didn't mean to be there, but they was 0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:38.080 there because of certain things that they saw them made 0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:41.000 them comfortable to be there because they wasn't safe at 0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:43.239 their own crib. They just felt like with them, if 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.400 I'm getting this love and he's giving me attention and 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:47.920 my dad ain't here, on my uncle in here, I 0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:50.319 want to be here. So then you got a lot 0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:55.640 of artists who get inspired to say, funk that I'm 0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:58.200 carpeting the hard rock and you know, on the wall, 0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:02.080 but ain't the one even me enough to value what 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:05.240 I'm thinking about? So if if that all those pieces 0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:07.399 not there, fucking I'm just gonna go all the way 0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:09.160 this way. And then you've got a lot of g's 0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:13.279 that would laugh at that and think it's entertainment and 0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:16.600 think it's the ship, but really you're sucking up someone 0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:22.040 who could be especial or brilliant or successful to to life. 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:25.040 So so when when you when Drey was doing records 0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:28.480 like a little gettle boy, I was so fucking happy 0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:33.440 because he spoke from a perspective that the b g 0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:37.239 S are a little homies always wanted to hear was 0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:41.320 a U O G take accountability for the bully ship 0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:46.040 or the destructive ship. He inspired his homie. So when 0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:49.359 he said, uh, I'm bigger than you. What you want 0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:52.880 to do. Didn't know he had you. I cried like 0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:56.680 a kid because I actually seen those scenarios and that's 0:40:56.719 --> 0:41:00.239 when I knew Dre was You know, this is this 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:02.560 is the type of ship that made even Wonta hug 0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:05.840 him even that much more. You know what I'm saying, 0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:08.560 because that's what was going on, big homies was getting 0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:12.479 out of penitentiary, uh, bullying the little homies in the game, 0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:15.840 taking their little sacks, doing all these different types of 0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:20.279 So when the little homies, I'm here to show you 0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:23.200 I'm with it. I'm here to say I'm I'm keep 0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:25.319 funking on day and this is what you're gonna do 0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:27.640 to me being on me. I ain't trying to fight you, 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:30.200 but to fight back and for everybody else not to 0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:33.399 see you as a punk. Pa pa, Pa pa. That's 0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:36.200 all little ghetto Boys was and and he told it 0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:39.640 the right way and and how this ship actually go down, 0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:42.120 you know what I'm saying. And that's why I say, 0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:45.600 if you did another banging on Wax and and of 0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:49.520 the of the gangsters today, the concept to be way 0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:51.840 wider than what it was at the first time, because 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:55.000 now you've got the older cats and the younger cats 0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:57.880 kind of linking up and they understand each other, you 0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:00.560 know what I'm saying, because the world is really up now. 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:04.520 The hoods are not the same no more. Once you 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:06.759 change the concept of what it was the first time, 0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:10.600 you see what it is now, it's totally different. It's 0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:15.040 it's and and uh, we're quick can wrap together and 0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:17.719 talk about this ship. Yeah. That that that blew my 0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:21.279 mind because I actually witnessed at Snoopy's function. I think 0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:24.319 it was for his birthday or or his wife. And 0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:29.760 I've seen eight until and quick there, and I cheered 0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:32.640 up a little bit because you know, it's not from 0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:34.799 a soft point of view. It's just like I know 0:42:34.920 --> 0:42:39.040 him both, you know, you know, when we don't do 0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:41.240 nothing about it and we don't look outside the box 0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:44.959 about how to be bigger, bigger than these scenarios and situations, 0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:48.399 then all leaders and ship you know, they never get 0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:52.040 uh get going, they never get off the ground and 0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:56.279 never you know, get past it in the first situation. 0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:58.680 So when I seen that, I was like, damn it. 0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:00.839 Then I seen chill with eight and then I seeing 0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:02.920 how humble see this is what it what it is 0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:05.280 when you can see like my real name is Kevin. 0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:09.800 Battle Cat is a brand. Battle Cat can't be two people. 0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:14.800 And when you try to put human perspective with another 0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:18.480 name that ain't really who you are as a person. 0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:22.240 People really don't know the difference. So when you're trying 0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:26.480 to turn off your brand or your name, industry name, 0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:30.080 it's hard to do that because you didn't really from 0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:34.399 the gate, uh separate the two. And sometimes you know what, 0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:36.279 the public is gonna allow you to separate the two 0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:38.919 because you would have like instance like this, like let's say, 0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:47.680 for example, you have eight You just said James mother 0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:53.239 McDonald for ship. Everybody keeps Mom James a brand and 0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:55.319 who But I'm here to bed I'm here to beg 0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:59.200 the different. I'm James McDonald was born James McDonald. Mom 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:02.440 James was a actor. Mom James, I played a role 0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:05.040 in the neighborhood to be that guy. Ain't that guy 0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:07.880 no more? Because I took myself about the neighborhood. So 0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:11.279 when I why should I continue to be him? If 0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:13.719 I continue to be Mom James, I glorified what I 0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:17.520 did exactly and I can't quit. I'm not there no more. 0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:21.720 So man, you said it, man, You people just people 0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:25.480 just want. It's just sometimes people just don't want to 0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:29.399 get over the fact that you can mature. It's like 0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:34.279 people want to reminisce on on that character. And like 0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:36.560 I said, I hear it every day. Why don't you 0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:39.719 wrap like you did thirty years ago? I come, you 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:43.120 don't talk about the dry byes? And I'm like, dude, 0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:47.080 I'm not on the block, no more selling crack. What 0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:50.279 the dudes due in my pocket? Trying to you know 0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:53.440 what I'm saying, like, I don't do that ship anymore? 0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:58.000 What about this? The things we're doing the neighborhood. I'm 0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:00.520 gonna just say on eight the things that they did 0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:04.000 in the neighborhood and accomplishments that he made from Track. Now, 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:06.480 the little homies from Track now look up to you. 0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:09.880 They don't look at John Wayne and see John Wayne 0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:12.719 as the hero. They're looking at you as being a hero. 0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:16.399 And in the coldest part about the little homies that 0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:21.200 respect us, they don't understand the change, That's all it is. 0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:25.719 They don't understand how can you change? You're supposed to be? 0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:28.480 This is what I what I learned to love, to glorify. 0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:31.640 And then and they don't think you're supposed to grow up. 0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:34.680 But and then at the end of the day, we 0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:37.359 all got to grow up. This man, we gotta grow 0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:39.319 up and we gotta learn how to be man. But 0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:42.239 the little homies and the people in the neighborhood look 0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:45.799 at us as hero The only heroes they know, the 0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:49.600 only real motherfucker's they see, the only fathers that they 0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:51.759 can ever get close to, is the big Homies sitting 0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:53.839 there on the curt would him on the break walk 0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:56.200 telling them the homie, this is how you do this, 0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:58.839 and this is how you do that. But they never 0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:02.920 had that change. Me ask you this, and he mixed 0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:05.960 it earlier that we all go back to this. The 0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:08.640 Big Homie at one point literally took the place of 0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:12.280 the father in the house old huh. Yeah, the homies 0:46:12.320 --> 0:46:16.719 I took. And I can say this from the hood. 0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:20.719 The homies took, not one specific that one individual. The 0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:25.719 homies the hood took pops position. Yeah, you know what 0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:28.719 I'm saying, because once Pops decided to move out of 0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:32.080 the house, now we can do what the funk we 0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:34.120 want to do, how we want to do it. Now 0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:35.920 we can have the homies, and now we can do 0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:38.880 this now that I ain't gotta be questioned or told 0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:41.919 to come home. You know what I'm saying. So once 0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:45.080 Pops was gone, this is the only motherfucker that you're 0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:49.279 supposed to fear. It's Pops, nobody in the streets. But 0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:52.759 once that was gone, these niggas are dude, this is 0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:55.600 just easy right here. I can do the hood. I ain't. 0:46:55.760 --> 0:46:57.640 I've never been a follower that because it's one thing 0:46:57.680 --> 0:47:01.040 I've learned. I'm not gonna follow you just because I 0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:03.319 don't hear that type of ship. We're gonna do it 0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:05.839 this way. And if they don't want to do it 0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:07.560 this way, I learned I know how to go my 0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:11.400 way and do my thing. But without all of that, yeah, 0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:15.920 man uh, the hood became family, especially for a lot 0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:19.360 of young a lot of young brothers who fathers was 0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:21.600 in in the house hall. I'm talking about being deep 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:24.680 in the hood. And and Mama say them boys ain't 0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:28.280 your friends. And I can honestly say this, Mama's listed 0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:31.799 in peace. And since all the way until the day 0:47:31.840 --> 0:47:35.400 she died, I took care of her. And and because 0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:38.880 I felt older, because I used to tell my mom 0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:42.120 shut the funk up. These the homies get the funk 0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:44.839 out of here. I mean, very disrespectful to my mother. 0:47:45.480 --> 0:47:48.120 And it wasn't until I went to prison when a 0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:52.480 man told me, when you know your mama everything, and 0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:55.560 you're gonna learn to appreciate. If you don't appreciate now, 0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:58.799 you're gonna appreciate one day. And I appreciate my mother 0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:01.279 more than anything, Yeah, I ever did, since she's been 0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:07.360 going real ship. So but I was just that ignorant 0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:11.040 into believing that the homies had my back, that the 0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:14.000 homies loved me, that the homies gonna make sure everything 0:48:14.160 --> 0:48:16.560 is good. When I sucked up, They're gonna be there. 0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:19.359 If I get kicked out the house, I'm a I'm 0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:22.160 at the Homie house. I got somewhere to sleep. But 0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:24.600 then at the end of the day, it just blew 0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:26.920 me away when I found that that all of it 0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:30.359 was just a fucking game. It was a joke. Yeah, 0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:34.120 because like you said, when the father left, they put 0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:38.240 their own spin and definition and rules, but didn't understand 0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:43.920 that people that they was putting on, you know, they 0:48:44.000 --> 0:48:46.440 wasn't built for that. They didn't think about the mental 0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:48.960 state of mind. They didn't think about a spirit, that 0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:53.920 there's a spirit in that body. And and when you uh, 0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:58.800 putting your own spin on it, and it's it's cold custody. 0:48:58.920 --> 0:49:04.239 See they caught between seeing glory and successive finances and 0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:08.120 parties and a girl getting sicked on them or giving 0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:12.000 them some some bread. You know, everything is not really 0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:16.799 earned and understood with some sense of rules that that 0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:20.600 that they can use for corporate America, Right you feel me? 0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:24.760 So what happens when that mentality come to a dead 0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:27.200 end and you try to sure this is I've been 0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:31.280 seeing how they burned the streets to the to the sweets. 0:49:31.719 --> 0:49:36.279 It started early on and uh like that's why I 0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:39.879 was asking earlier about when the big homes that never 0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:43.680 teach us when to turn it off and not it 0:49:43.840 --> 0:49:47.560 being looked at, its being soft, like just don't belong 0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:50.920 here because cripping and blood and it is not in 0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:54.040 corporate America, but really it is. When you look at 0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:57.480 the job description they gotta do. That's a lot of 0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:03.960 them that crypton blood had good ass jobs at uh 0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:07.000 something a lot of places, so they knew they had 0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:08.799 to put a suit on. I've seen a few of 0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:11.799 my g's come home with soups and ship on our 0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:15.960 janitorial outfits on some ship. So it was it was. 0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:18.839 It was confusing in the sense and some of it wasn't. 0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:22.359 Some of it was like wow, uh looked at him 0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:25.160 this way, but you didn't know he had a responsibility 0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:30.320 outside that where he was still respected but not soft. 0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:33.279 But he knew when to bring the the g G 0:50:33.560 --> 0:50:36.920 hand to a certain situation. Because we've got a lot 0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:39.760 of people in corporate America who don't have street skills, 0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:44.040 reality skills, and know how to talk and learn how 0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:46.680 to read body language, you know what I'm saying. So 0:50:46.760 --> 0:50:49.840 that's why for me, I was really fortunate and blessed 0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:53.320 to have some gs that wasn't demonic trying to pull 0:50:53.400 --> 0:50:56.480 me in. But it was challenging a lot of times, 0:50:56.640 --> 0:51:02.239 especially seeing certain homies get killed that love that it 0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:05.440 was built like that and something that wasn't built like that. 0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:10.440 You know how that the total package I'm I know 0:51:10.560 --> 0:51:12.400 the streets, I know how to talk with this, I 0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:15.680 know how to talk and then corporate American, I know 0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:17.960 how to talk to you whomever it was in front 0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:19.920 of me, and I know how to talk to the the 0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:23.279 street ship. I know to talk to the package dog. 0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:25.919 All right, Phyllis, let's pay some bills real quick. We'll 0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:32.760 be right back. So when you talk about the artists 0:51:32.800 --> 0:51:37.600 today and when we you know, I mean our gis 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:41.840 that built this ship, when they have to step away 0:51:41.920 --> 0:51:44.560 because that's not what they get down is and the 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:47.320 benefits is not there and none of that. It's still 0:51:47.680 --> 0:51:51.000 being looked at like, oh, you ain't sure your buster. 0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:53.399 You just left us and you won't give us no 0:51:53.760 --> 0:51:57.440 next level what it is. You know, it's because a 0:51:57.480 --> 0:52:02.440 lot of the Gez did so much ship without turning 0:52:02.480 --> 0:52:05.960 it around that by the time you do want to 0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:10.160 say something that makes sense because you can see yourself 0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:14.680 in them. They just just got a whole different outlook 0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:18.840 on life and a mentals and spirit and perspective of 0:52:18.960 --> 0:52:22.560 life is com bro so. But the thing is, I'm 0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:25.960 understanding that I see eight everyone is here. They just 0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:28.000 grab a few. You ain't gonna be able to get them. 0:52:28.040 --> 0:52:31.120 All the ones who wanted to get them make a difference, 0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:33.360 and that and and and the rest is gonna do 0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:35.360 what it's gonna do, because that good book is the 0:52:35.400 --> 0:52:38.600 same way. Everybody ain't going. Okay, I can honestly say 0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:41.879 I'm trying like a mug to grab all the ones 0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:45.560 I can and help all the ones I can, and 0:52:45.440 --> 0:52:48.959 I tell you I've been doing it. Uh. I ain't 0:52:48.960 --> 0:52:50.560 even want to bring that up. But I had a 0:52:50.640 --> 0:52:52.600 cat that really felt like he didn't want to be 0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:56.840 here no more. I had to call norm. I be 0:52:57.000 --> 0:52:59.959 in the position I'm in and it's easy to talk 0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:04.120 to somebody, but if I say something fun up down, 0:53:04.160 --> 0:53:08.239 it's on a different level. And I talked to his well, 0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:11.560 his uncle pray from me. Once his uncle said that 0:53:11.640 --> 0:53:15.279 prayer from me. He blessed my words to come out 0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:17.799 of my mouth for this man to receive it. That's 0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:22.640 what I asked for, and it was good, and not 0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:25.560 only him, but quite an other few. I had a 0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:28.640 brother sent me a picture of his son with it 0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:32.240 with a cap and he graduated. And he said, because 0:53:32.280 --> 0:53:35.400 of you, my son graduated. And I didn't bury it 0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:40.239 that I knew. I'm I'm doing good exactly. So just 0:53:40.280 --> 0:53:43.319 like you said, we can't take everybody because everybody don't 0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:47.560 want to go. And now they gotta a calling that's 0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:52.880 beyond our control because of what they feel that's important 0:53:52.920 --> 0:53:55.520 that they want to stand on. They married day day rules, 0:53:55.560 --> 0:53:58.759 they go, they see something totally different. So all you 0:53:58.760 --> 0:54:04.360 can do is, you know, be there for him but 0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:08.239 don't totally alienate yourself from it, because so you'll be 0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:12.720 surprised another over talking of you, James, you'll be surprised 0:54:13.560 --> 0:54:19.680 what your your your influence or another period of time 0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:22.239 in your life where you're gonna play something that you 0:54:22.280 --> 0:54:26.279 can't even imagine or you really you know you have 0:54:26.520 --> 0:54:29.240 something about yourself, but you never know you're gonna play 0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:32.360 this role. So when you start to look at life 0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:35.239 on a whole, another spectrum, a whole, another frequency, a whole, 0:54:35.239 --> 0:54:38.400 another purpose than than than than what you've been doing, 0:54:39.080 --> 0:54:43.719 that's amazing to see. Who are the faces one? This 0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:49.040 miraculous thing happened? Was this miracle thing happened? I hadn't 0:54:49.080 --> 0:54:51.719 been in. I hadn't been in some crazy things like 0:54:55.680 --> 0:55:00.080 I should I say this? I was very instant a 0:55:00.120 --> 0:55:06.400 mental and conveying the message for Mr Harris Harry y'all, 0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:10.440 for me being who I am as a producer and 0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:12.439 the man and the father and the husband. I never 0:55:12.480 --> 0:55:17.480 thought that my input, in my tone of voice and 0:55:17.560 --> 0:55:22.760 everything about me would help someone else take it serious 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:26.720 and do their part to make sure that this message 0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:29.520 got you know, delivered, and and it had an effected 0:55:29.600 --> 0:55:32.839 him coming home a man God is good all the time, 0:55:33.040 --> 0:55:34.520 you know. And let me ask you this because we're 0:55:34.520 --> 0:55:38.040 talking about help from people, right, Yes, you can answer 0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:40.520 this to eight. You can answer this, James. You all 0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:42.440 kind of feel it, you know, being people. Anytimes you 0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:46.200 get in the public eye, how do you tell because 0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:48.960 one thing about the homies, you could tell him yeah 0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:52.200 fifty million times, but one time you say no, they 0:55:52.239 --> 0:55:55.160 forget about the other fifty million times. When do you 0:55:55.200 --> 0:55:59.319 eventually just say? When do you eventually cut it off? 0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:03.160 You know, I think what it is when you for 0:56:03.280 --> 0:56:16.280 me um, if you're support and your contribution to saying 0:56:16.320 --> 0:56:19.319 something to him. I guess when they see it as 0:56:21.280 --> 0:56:26.840 like Dracula, you know he can't stand the light. You 0:56:26.920 --> 0:56:30.920 feel me. So when you see them like wanting to 0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:35.640 be real dark and don't want to value you on 0:56:35.719 --> 0:56:37.799 a whole another level where they're talking to you in 0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:42.600 a very disrespectful way, you know what I'm saying, then, Dan, 0:56:42.760 --> 0:56:45.960 then you just gotta just smile and go Okay, that's 0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:47.960 where he that's where he had ain't gonna make you weak. 0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:50.920 It's you know you're keen. You're a man if you 0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:53.480 can really pay attention to knowing that you know what 0:56:54.480 --> 0:56:57.040 even if he's disrespecting me and from the others that 0:56:57.160 --> 0:57:01.000 respect me, I still know the difference without being looked 0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:04.719 at as a wheenie, you know what I'm saying. So 0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:07.000 I know I know how to walk away and just 0:57:07.120 --> 0:57:09.960 smile about it and go on. But some people feel 0:57:10.000 --> 0:57:12.839 like if they're in front of their peers and you're 0:57:12.880 --> 0:57:19.240 trying to give someone something, you know, and the little 0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:21.120 homie or whatever you know, act like you want to 0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:24.920 get off on you because he don't feel nothing about you. 0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:27.480 He just was for some reason to day you just 0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:30.680 he was the strong that broke the camel's back, you 0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:32.520 know what I'm saying, And you're in front of your 0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:37.040 peers when this is happening. Sometimes you know, some guys 0:57:37.120 --> 0:57:41.000 gotta just go there. But it really don't. It doesn't 0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:44.080 answer the situation, you know what I'm saying. You know, 0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:47.400 it's just I hope, I'm hope I'm getting to it. 0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:49.880 You know, I just know when I've been in situations 0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:51.680 like that, I just know, you know, when I see 0:57:51.680 --> 0:57:54.680 it and it's overbearing and it's gonna take you, it's 0:57:54.720 --> 0:57:56.880 about to take you out of character, and you feel like, 0:57:57.360 --> 0:58:00.720 you know, you gotta just sit back and just small 0:58:00.840 --> 0:58:03.600 sometimes when I smiled, because the first thing the motherfucker 0:58:03.600 --> 0:58:05.560 gonna do is tell you if they really know you 0:58:05.640 --> 0:58:07.640 and know the type of person you are, the first 0:58:07.640 --> 0:58:09.479 thing you do was gonna tell you, man, don't trip 0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:12.440 off that ship. Yeah, I mean, because if you are 0:58:12.480 --> 0:58:15.840 that changed person that the motherfucker has seen, then no, 0:58:16.160 --> 0:58:19.640 because if they know what you come from, they respect 0:58:19.680 --> 0:58:23.240 you more for being that motherfucker. Go just smile and 0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:25.920 be like you know something. It shows that you have 0:58:26.080 --> 0:58:29.120 changed your character and not that motherfucker you give me 0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:31.760 and a lot of maturity comes with that for deeper, 0:58:32.000 --> 0:58:37.080 they respect you more. Hang around just taking my kind 0:58:37.120 --> 0:58:40.280 of weakness. And I'm telling you all right down against chronics, 0:58:40.320 --> 0:58:42.560 I ain't appreciating that ship. And I'm gonna slapping the 0:58:42.560 --> 0:58:44.800 funk out of one of your motherfucker's that keep playing 0:58:44.840 --> 0:58:48.040 with James funck Mom, James. I keep telling you all that, 0:58:48.560 --> 0:58:52.280 but mess with James. James McDonald's gonna slap your ship out, 0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:54.840 you ja. And you know I think that is when 0:58:54.840 --> 0:58:56.560 I hear you reach out like that, you know what 0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:58.600 I'm saying. I'm not going to just laugh and stay 0:58:58.720 --> 0:59:01.240 to the sun like and say that's James. I think 0:59:01.480 --> 0:59:06.120 for me, when I hear you speak like that, it's 0:59:06.120 --> 0:59:09.680 just say just remove yourself, stay in the name that 0:59:09.760 --> 0:59:12.160 you've been in. And because it don't matter if you've 0:59:12.200 --> 0:59:14.600 got a good thing or a bad thing, they're still 0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:20.000 gonna say fuck fuck James because we're seeing that well Park, 0:59:20.080 --> 0:59:23.640 that's not here, Biggie or anyone who's been here, uh, 0:59:23.840 --> 0:59:29.480 Nipsy the whole nine yards, you know. So it's like, um, 0:59:29.600 --> 0:59:31.919 it's almost like giving them a sense you're giving them 0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:36.880 power that it touches you that much and that words 0:59:37.040 --> 0:59:41.640 can affect you, you know. Um, And I ain't gonna 0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:44.000 say that's that makes you soft at all because it 0:59:44.040 --> 0:59:46.560 touched you because see, really you have a heart and 0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:48.640 you really just want them to look at the light 0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:50.600 of what you didn't put out and what it and 0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:53.280 and the benefits that can come with it. So for 0:59:53.400 --> 0:59:57.400 those who is on the opposite, it is what it is. 0:59:57.440 --> 1:00:00.800 It's like them showing you they left from their right. Okay, cool, 1:00:01.080 --> 1:00:03.320 that's where you at. Good. I didn't have to spend 1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:05.000 a lot of time with you to find out that's 1:00:05.000 --> 1:00:07.440 where you're at, and that's that's what you want. Good Now, 1:00:07.520 --> 1:00:09.960 I have the upp a hand and how to move 1:00:10.440 --> 1:00:14.120 for my define order in life, like how you are today. 1:00:14.160 --> 1:00:16.280 I didn't know what it takes for James, Big James 1:00:16.280 --> 1:00:19.560 to get here. But whatever James did, he didn't value 1:00:19.600 --> 1:00:22.480 the opposite. He didn't give him He didn't give light 1:00:22.880 --> 1:00:25.840 life to it at all enough to get here. So 1:00:26.240 --> 1:00:28.840 I salute you for whatever process you had to take 1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:31.520 to get And that's the thing, man, you know what, 1:00:31.640 --> 1:00:34.400 I look at it like this. I don't give my 1:00:34.440 --> 1:00:36.400 emotions to somebody. I don't care about it. If you're 1:00:36.400 --> 1:00:38.640 sitting up there telling me you know you feed me this, 1:00:38.800 --> 1:00:42.440 I'm just go now. If me and this man have 1:00:42.520 --> 1:00:44.920 a disagreement, that's go bother because he's a friend of U. 1:00:45.120 --> 1:00:47.840 Yeah he me and let me have a disagreement and 1:00:47.920 --> 1:00:50.000 you have a disagreement. If I'm in the wrong, I'm 1:00:50.000 --> 1:00:52.600 gonna reach out and apologize about it because somebody that's 1:00:52.600 --> 1:00:54.720 not edifying to me or whatever, it's like, good, I'm 1:00:54.760 --> 1:00:57.160 glad you're shooting your heads now. That way, I don't 1:00:57.160 --> 1:00:59.040 have to mess with you at all. I try to 1:00:59.320 --> 1:01:02.800 show everybody that I am human and there's multiple size 1:01:02.880 --> 1:01:08.000 to all of us. Regardless if I announced mym James H. 1:01:08.160 --> 1:01:11.360 James McDonald still carries some of those traits that dude had. 1:01:11.960 --> 1:01:14.240 You know what I'm saying, which is I can go 1:01:14.320 --> 1:01:17.160 from zero to a huntred and be violent at any 1:01:17.160 --> 1:01:19.840 time because that's something I learned in the hood, in 1:01:19.880 --> 1:01:22.880 the streets. I know how to do that, so and 1:01:23.160 --> 1:01:25.360 I can't throw that away. So that's one of the 1:01:26.600 --> 1:01:31.439 that's very valuable to me. But just being on a 1:01:31.480 --> 1:01:35.840 different level, you know, I thought people should would appreciate 1:01:35.880 --> 1:01:37.600 the fact that I'm not there. I'm not in the 1:01:37.640 --> 1:01:41.640 street being self destruction, self destructive, but I'm I'm sitting 1:01:41.840 --> 1:01:44.960 at a table talking to men, you know, on some 1:01:45.080 --> 1:01:49.040 productive ship, you know, teaching these young cats that we 1:01:49.080 --> 1:01:52.520 don't have to be fools and stupid and ignorant. We 1:01:52.560 --> 1:01:56.439 can We can grow up at fourteen. We can learn 1:01:56.440 --> 1:01:59.439 the difference and know the difference at fourteen fifteen years old. 1:01:59.800 --> 1:02:02.240 We don't have to wait and say if I knew 1:02:02.240 --> 1:02:04.320 what I know now at the age of thirty five, 1:02:05.040 --> 1:02:08.480 if I knew what I knew then at I would 1:02:08.480 --> 1:02:12.360 have been a better person. That's funny that because see, 1:02:13.120 --> 1:02:17.160 if you you we all know the demonstration is in 1:02:17.200 --> 1:02:19.800 front of the world and then and it should be 1:02:19.920 --> 1:02:23.320 enough to see the dudes and the dumps. But because 1:02:23.440 --> 1:02:28.080 they doesn't they I guess they don't see enough for 1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:32.080 them to want to be right and appreciate that that 1:02:32.200 --> 1:02:35.160 they saw that they feel it's it's it's only pure 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:37.960 pressure if you're weak, that's what I'm looking I'm looking 1:02:38.000 --> 1:02:40.680 at it. It's only pure pressure when you don't really 1:02:40.720 --> 1:02:44.920 want to value anything that's gonna take you and yours 1:02:44.960 --> 1:02:48.600 to that next level. So and we've seen that before us. 1:02:48.600 --> 1:02:50.360 It's a choice at the end of the day and 1:02:50.440 --> 1:02:54.520 the beginning of the day, that's where you're at. That's cool. Uh. 1:02:54.560 --> 1:02:56.520 If I come and see you, I see you, but 1:02:56.600 --> 1:02:59.120 don't be mad if I'm not there. But then I 1:02:59.320 --> 1:03:01.440 learned not even tell them that because they're gonna do 1:03:01.480 --> 1:03:04.280 what whatever they want to do regardless. But my thing 1:03:04.360 --> 1:03:07.080 is just learning not to put myself in the situation 1:03:07.080 --> 1:03:10.280 where I have to be approached. You know, if I 1:03:10.320 --> 1:03:14.080 don't want that serenity and peace, I know where not 1:03:14.160 --> 1:03:18.040 to be. And sometimes it's just hard because when you 1:03:18.120 --> 1:03:20.880 come from a place where you love you, it's almost 1:03:20.880 --> 1:03:24.880 like you you become a fucking uh tourist. Now you're 1:03:24.880 --> 1:03:29.479 going to visit where you used to be and and damn, 1:03:29.560 --> 1:03:32.640 I'm motherfucker that's gotta say something about it. But I'm 1:03:32.720 --> 1:03:35.240 learning a lot. Just let it be. If there's nothing 1:03:35.280 --> 1:03:37.320 there and your mom ain't there, you're unto, your brother 1:03:37.320 --> 1:03:41.200 ain't there, don't go. Don't let it be, because you 1:03:41.680 --> 1:03:44.920 the mink should inherit the earth. It's can't be just 1:03:45.520 --> 1:03:48.320 the block of tract. Knew where I started at. If 1:03:48.360 --> 1:03:52.040 I got a passport, if I got folks who I know, 1:03:52.120 --> 1:03:56.680 they got property and in a different life oversees him. 1:03:56.920 --> 1:04:00.640 How is my only uh purpose? It's it's just to 1:04:00.760 --> 1:04:05.600 be right here, right it's crew. Yes, that's being a 1:04:05.640 --> 1:04:09.400 grown man because there's no benefits. We don't know a 1:04:09.400 --> 1:04:11.840 lot of people who are really winning. Yeah, this is 1:04:11.840 --> 1:04:14.440 our in the city where we come from, where people 1:04:14.520 --> 1:04:18.480 really have to understand the other agenda at him, politics, 1:04:18.760 --> 1:04:22.880 everything they want us out, okay, well the ones they 1:04:22.880 --> 1:04:25.400 want to be here and you want to buy up 1:04:25.400 --> 1:04:28.520 the block. It's a certain thing that has to go on, 1:04:28.600 --> 1:04:31.479 and you have to really know yourself and you really 1:04:31.520 --> 1:04:34.320 got to know the people that's in your community and 1:04:34.400 --> 1:04:38.880 really try to help provide something where they are really 1:04:38.960 --> 1:04:42.720 strong mentally, physically, the whole nine yards, so they can 1:04:42.880 --> 1:04:46.680 maintain if we're conceiving kids and bringing them into the earth. 1:04:47.360 --> 1:04:50.560 I don't know, minds all the minds. They love where 1:04:50.560 --> 1:04:52.960 they come from, but they want to get out exactly. 1:04:53.400 --> 1:04:56.600 I love the fact that I've seen that them, you 1:04:56.600 --> 1:04:58.920 know that in them when they turn into television on 1:04:59.000 --> 1:05:02.480 looking at geographic channels, looking at mechanics and the other 1:05:02.520 --> 1:05:06.280 different ships that these networks provided, and then seeing that damn, oh, 1:05:06.360 --> 1:05:09.320 that's just what they they they they they they passion 1:05:09.480 --> 1:05:12.400 is what ship. If this music ship don't go all 1:05:12.440 --> 1:05:14.080 the way, then I'm for to take the best of 1:05:14.120 --> 1:05:16.440 what I do got and put that in there them 1:05:16.520 --> 1:05:20.120 and just live with them and live through them. I'm 1:05:20.120 --> 1:05:22.640 gonna do that then, And that's why my adults who 1:05:23.440 --> 1:05:26.360 step outside the box, you know you no Snoop is 1:05:26.400 --> 1:05:29.080 one of them. I mean I see him creating jobs 1:05:29.080 --> 1:05:33.480 and opportunities from different walks of life. Um. Only only 1:05:33.560 --> 1:05:36.360 I have to say the entertainment aspect of who these 1:05:36.400 --> 1:05:38.400 people are, it is because I hadn't seen them with 1:05:38.440 --> 1:05:41.120 my own eyes, not because I'm friends with them. It's 1:05:41.160 --> 1:05:45.880 just the stuff that come across my radar without even asking, 1:05:46.080 --> 1:05:48.880 and I'm gonna tell you what Snoop man. No, you 1:05:48.920 --> 1:05:51.160 can't come up to Snoop on those Snoop Dogs ship 1:05:51.360 --> 1:05:53.800 or eight on the m C eight ship when they're 1:05:53.880 --> 1:05:56.720 doing the football field with them kids. You're wrong to 1:05:56.760 --> 1:05:59.800 get rolled about that. Motherfucker'xactly that this is this is 1:06:00.040 --> 1:06:02.120 says a man that non this, this is what I'm 1:06:02.160 --> 1:06:05.840 talking about, Jams. Now we're seeing like the platform that 1:06:05.920 --> 1:06:09.040 you have right here. I never heard and never seen 1:06:09.080 --> 1:06:13.400 your voice until the day that that You've decided to 1:06:13.440 --> 1:06:19.160 bring Chames to this platform. It was very very intriguing 1:06:19.680 --> 1:06:25.600 to hear. Jeez from that perspective, right A wrong because 1:06:25.640 --> 1:06:29.120 you hear so much talk. I don't hear no one 1:06:29.280 --> 1:06:33.280 trying to challenge you and say that these things it's 1:06:33.320 --> 1:06:37.200 not solid and not real. I And then it goes 1:06:37.280 --> 1:06:41.160 hand in hand. If your lifestyle, meaning the fruits of 1:06:41.200 --> 1:06:44.560 your labor, is solid and consistent and you're bearing the 1:06:44.600 --> 1:06:47.560 fruits of what you putting into it, now, who in 1:06:47.600 --> 1:06:50.600 the hill is going to doubt that? Now? They don't 1:06:50.640 --> 1:06:53.320 have no weight, you know what I'm saying. So that's 1:06:53.360 --> 1:06:57.240 another thing that made me respect, you know, against the chronicles. 1:06:58.000 --> 1:07:00.600 You know what I'm saying because it's hero is that 1:07:00.600 --> 1:07:04.840 that are gainst us that's been killers, that's been murderous. 1:07:05.320 --> 1:07:10.919 You know what I'm saying, Because I don't condone all 1:07:11.040 --> 1:07:15.080 is the circumstances of it. But it's just amazing because 1:07:15.080 --> 1:07:18.200 when you look at that good book and it's it's 1:07:18.360 --> 1:07:21.560 killing and has been some kind of way rewarded. You 1:07:21.600 --> 1:07:24.440 know what I'm saying, When you're doing it for righteousness, 1:07:25.400 --> 1:07:27.959 you know what I'm saying. So it's not to be glorified. 1:07:28.080 --> 1:07:31.160 But you know, just like when we we when we 1:07:31.240 --> 1:07:35.959 watched certain Italians and they got a bad blood that's 1:07:36.000 --> 1:07:39.200 sucking up the organization and the structure of how it is. 1:07:39.240 --> 1:07:41.720 And then they gotta go grab one of the members 1:07:41.800 --> 1:07:44.160 and send him off and knock him off. You know, 1:07:44.240 --> 1:07:49.760 we kind of embrace that, but it got took him 1:07:49.840 --> 1:07:52.720 the wrong way. It's another way where they can live 1:07:52.760 --> 1:07:55.400 where it's like it's like if we could use that 1:07:55.520 --> 1:07:59.960 power that's so hard and so dark and and dominic demanded, 1:08:00.520 --> 1:08:02.840 and and and and and say, nigga, you're going to 1:08:02.880 --> 1:08:06.360 school today, Nigga you for to learn something? Are you 1:08:06.360 --> 1:08:09.280 for the get beat the funk up? I never had, 1:08:09.600 --> 1:08:12.720 I never seen enough of that perspective, like taking that 1:08:12.920 --> 1:08:16.080 power and saying no, nigga, nigga, you're gonna dress right 1:08:16.120 --> 1:08:18.120 to that nigga or you can't even be from the 1:08:18.200 --> 1:08:23.320 set everything that we did, yes, and now now we're 1:08:23.320 --> 1:08:27.599 talking about some some gritty ship. Now we could do that. 1:08:27.680 --> 1:08:29.320 We could do that. We if we want to bring 1:08:29.360 --> 1:08:32.599 the upper excellence of our hood that we love so much. 1:08:34.479 --> 1:08:36.960 What you know, how what goes with that? You know 1:08:37.080 --> 1:08:39.120 you're gonna be it's gonna be some rebellion us and 1:08:39.160 --> 1:08:42.559 it's gonna be possibly some darkness and something if you'll 1:08:42.600 --> 1:08:44.559 tell you something happy. What are you seeing is powerful 1:08:44.600 --> 1:08:47.640 because what we're doing right here, we ain't supposed to 1:08:47.640 --> 1:08:50.080 be popular. You know what's supposed to be properly, We're 1:08:50.080 --> 1:08:53.800 supposed to be on here this and something some nine 1:08:53.880 --> 1:08:57.080 times bigger than you know what I'm saying, biggest we 1:08:57.080 --> 1:08:59.600 we kind of have the amount of people listening to 1:08:59.640 --> 1:09:02.080 this show wherevery we that we have is actually amazing. 1:09:02.120 --> 1:09:04.120 It shows that people still want to hear real ship. 1:09:04.200 --> 1:09:07.519 Because my thing is this, I have brothers sometimes in 1:09:07.640 --> 1:09:10.080 box met oh man, I know this about such a sex. 1:09:11.360 --> 1:09:13.439 I know this about sex because we're not here to 1:09:13.680 --> 1:09:16.760 put down no other person. Yeah we're not here just 1:09:16.800 --> 1:09:21.080 like what America is doing. But we just one of them. 1:09:21.120 --> 1:09:23.320 We couldn't then, we couldn't say ship. We better not 1:09:23.439 --> 1:09:30.879 have it in our mothers our thing is the uplift 1:09:30.960 --> 1:09:33.240 ningggers who have been through struggle and who have been 1:09:33.240 --> 1:09:38.439 through those those transitions of changing themselves, like like James saying, 1:09:38.479 --> 1:09:42.559 I'm not mile, James, don't warm James McDonald. So respect 1:09:42.680 --> 1:09:45.280 that transition of who I am Now. You just think 1:09:45.320 --> 1:09:50.320 about the last time Snoop seen this man. He was 1:09:50.360 --> 1:09:52.960 at the trial with him. So just imagining that transition 1:09:53.000 --> 1:09:54.840 that somebody would have came in both of their ears 1:09:54.840 --> 1:09:58.439 back then and say, hey man, Snoop James Mark James, 1:09:58.479 --> 1:10:00.439 we have a podcast. One day He'd I'm like, what 1:10:00.520 --> 1:10:03.720 the hell not that you know what I'm saying. Just 1:10:03.720 --> 1:10:06.840 think And you would have told Snoop back then, hey man, 1:10:06.880 --> 1:10:09.639 you can be the biggest rapper, the most recognized rapper 1:10:09.680 --> 1:10:11.880 in the world. One day they both have been like, 1:10:13.880 --> 1:10:16.240 don't do something. Look at it though, mask the way 1:10:16.240 --> 1:10:19.320 the universe work In's funny that you said. And and 1:10:19.479 --> 1:10:21.479 a lot of people have a lot of complaints about 1:10:21.600 --> 1:10:25.080 why artists are magnified and big like they are or whatever. 1:10:25.800 --> 1:10:29.479 It's only temporarily. But one thing I do admire about them, 1:10:30.080 --> 1:10:33.439 they believe in themselves. Even if the ship is off 1:10:34.360 --> 1:10:37.280 and it will make a lot of sense, it's still 1:10:37.360 --> 1:10:42.040 the word integrity, integrity, it's still trust, it's still confidence, 1:10:42.080 --> 1:10:45.760 it's still something. They turned that into something. Now the 1:10:45.840 --> 1:10:49.240 content it's another thing. Like I was remember what Dre 1:10:49.439 --> 1:10:52.000 was saying, like, look, I get it what the content is. 1:10:52.160 --> 1:10:54.640 That's because he lived it two this and't bit just 1:10:54.800 --> 1:10:57.800 orgies the whole nine yards. He didn't done it already, 1:10:57.840 --> 1:11:02.639 but he wants some ship with some substance. And to him, 1:11:02.760 --> 1:11:06.600 that's what longevity is. Because we really ain't doing a 1:11:06.680 --> 1:11:10.840 service to the people we say we preach. We if 1:11:10.920 --> 1:11:13.000 you say you grew up on the al Greens and 1:11:13.040 --> 1:11:15.519 the Curtis Man and the Dotty half the Ways and 1:11:16.960 --> 1:11:19.719 or even the Parliament, I mean, listen, even with the phone, 1:11:20.200 --> 1:11:22.719 at least Roger was saying on so rugh, so tough, 1:11:22.800 --> 1:11:26.160 don't worry about your troubles, just get on down. So 1:11:26.280 --> 1:11:29.240 it's always been a message with the phone. That's why 1:11:29.560 --> 1:11:32.400 I gravitated to the phone. They wasn't talking about no 1:11:32.520 --> 1:11:35.320 genocide and fucking their own home me up and taking 1:11:35.320 --> 1:11:38.599 their own bitches or wives and cousins and nieces and daughters. 1:11:38.640 --> 1:11:42.000 They weren't doing that with the music, so I know 1:11:42.080 --> 1:11:45.400 they had so many challenges and like, damn, letok listen 1:11:45.400 --> 1:11:49.960 to this content. But then we need the money, you know. 1:11:50.240 --> 1:11:53.479 I'm pretty sure Legends has been in those those kind 1:11:53.479 --> 1:11:57.000 of scenarios and had to allow it to go. But 1:11:57.160 --> 1:12:01.160 the ones that didn't clear it, I understand. It's because 1:12:01.200 --> 1:12:03.519 if you're gonna do us as this is our skin, 1:12:03.640 --> 1:12:07.479 this is us So why are we gonna depreciate all 1:12:07.560 --> 1:12:11.360 this great message and music that they did? So once 1:12:11.400 --> 1:12:14.320 you changed to perspective, that's like when when you did 1:12:14.360 --> 1:12:16.639 Growing Up in the Hood over more Box of the Ounds, 1:12:16.640 --> 1:12:21.840 it was, man, we loved it. Everything that you blong 1:12:21.960 --> 1:12:25.160 to the table. Y'all you did was give us a 1:12:25.200 --> 1:12:30.640 perspective from Compton, how women can be, our niggers can be. 1:12:32.240 --> 1:12:36.160 What was challenging and how you got through it. That's 1:12:36.200 --> 1:12:38.840 why I don't like to hear a song where it's 1:12:38.880 --> 1:12:42.120 the first and second third verse. It's like, can we 1:12:42.200 --> 1:12:44.639 get a song where if you if you come from 1:12:44.640 --> 1:12:48.640 a dark place, speak on it now? What was the 1:12:48.640 --> 1:12:52.240 the changing point? That could be the second verse? Okay, 1:12:52.240 --> 1:12:56.320 the third versus another perspective you got, So you don't 1:12:56.320 --> 1:13:00.280 have to continue where you was on the first verse. 1:13:00.479 --> 1:13:02.120 That's what we gotta do it now. Don't do a 1:13:02.160 --> 1:13:07.160 whole song where you just this nigga did me wrong 1:13:07.320 --> 1:13:09.920 and I sucked him over, and this and this and 1:13:09.920 --> 1:13:12.479 that he got to me. You okay, you let your 1:13:12.479 --> 1:13:15.400 guards down? Can you take accountability? Can you say in 1:13:15.479 --> 1:13:19.880 that verse that I understand now why that energy was 1:13:19.960 --> 1:13:23.240 in my circle because I allowed it. My perspective of 1:13:23.400 --> 1:13:27.519 perception about it was was was cloudy. I put my 1:13:27.560 --> 1:13:31.439 own spin on what I thought this relationship was. Yeah, 1:13:31.479 --> 1:13:34.360 he gave me the body language like he was with 1:13:34.520 --> 1:13:37.400 it and he understood me, and then we departed from 1:13:37.400 --> 1:13:39.760 each other. But really he didn't look at it like 1:13:39.800 --> 1:13:42.800 I did. He just got alone to get alone. But 1:13:42.880 --> 1:13:46.040 really he had a hit and agenda. So what is 1:13:46.080 --> 1:13:50.640 that call? You know? And what those those titles you got, conrads, 1:13:50.680 --> 1:13:54.920 you got, uh, you got uh you know, uh, all 1:13:54.960 --> 1:13:59.840 those different titles A confidant, you know, you know, it 1:14:00.200 --> 1:14:02.040 really makes you want to pick up a book and 1:14:02.080 --> 1:14:04.439 go back and look at the true definition of what 1:14:04.520 --> 1:14:07.640 the words is, so you can understand, you can understand 1:14:08.000 --> 1:14:11.080 the body language when you see it without putting your 1:14:11.120 --> 1:14:14.120 emotions all the time on the front line with things. 1:14:14.240 --> 1:14:16.600 But if we're gonna go on our own understanding and 1:14:16.640 --> 1:14:20.800 putting definitions into words that don't really mean anything, then 1:14:20.880 --> 1:14:23.719 you can't be mad at the person on the other 1:14:23.960 --> 1:14:27.320 end that is gonna, you know, not really get where 1:14:27.360 --> 1:14:30.840 you're coming from, because you really the access has got 1:14:30.840 --> 1:14:33.240 to show that they really can can appreciate and they 1:14:33.280 --> 1:14:37.479 understood where you was coming from. Hold that thought, brother, 1:14:37.560 --> 1:14:43.120 We'll be right back, And I got one question, one 1:14:43.160 --> 1:14:46.160 more question for you, bro, And I appreciate you being here. 1:14:46.320 --> 1:14:49.639 It's long. You've been working with Dr Drake for over 1:14:49.680 --> 1:14:53.760 twenty five years, right, that's personally and profession personally, professionally, right, 1:14:54.520 --> 1:14:56.640 what is it about him? I know what it is. 1:14:56.680 --> 1:14:58.320 I got an idea what it is. But what did 1:14:58.320 --> 1:15:02.320 you think about him? It makes him so special? The 1:15:02.560 --> 1:15:06.320 upper extra. I would take the special outum, even though 1:15:06.360 --> 1:15:09.400 I looked at the definition of what it is. I 1:15:09.439 --> 1:15:11.920 think the special part though, if I had to keep 1:15:11.920 --> 1:15:15.000 it in there, knowing what the definition is is when 1:15:15.160 --> 1:15:22.240 he's not thinking for self and he's uh, unpredictable and 1:15:22.320 --> 1:15:26.920 how he wants to give with no intentions. That's the 1:15:27.000 --> 1:15:35.080 special part. Then the other part is he's not I 1:15:35.160 --> 1:15:39.840 wasn't raised with him, so I have to have an 1:15:39.840 --> 1:15:43.639 open mind every time I come across him, and it's 1:15:43.720 --> 1:15:47.600 always positive energy. I think, what it is? What what 1:15:47.760 --> 1:15:51.880 my bro is? If you bring something to the table 1:15:53.360 --> 1:15:56.800 and you put it in you put it in that 1:15:56.880 --> 1:16:01.200 circle into a conversation, you really have to be about it, 1:16:02.240 --> 1:16:06.599 know about it, and bring the history of how relevant 1:16:06.640 --> 1:16:11.160 and powerful it is that you're putting meaning information in 1:16:11.240 --> 1:16:14.360 his in his presence, because if you're saying some ship 1:16:14.920 --> 1:16:18.680 that can't stand the test of time, let alone for 1:16:18.760 --> 1:16:21.720 yourself and it's nothing, it's you know, how could you 1:16:23.439 --> 1:16:27.960 put this into his his presence? Like it holds value? 1:16:28.600 --> 1:16:31.679 You know, So know what you're saying and and live 1:16:31.840 --> 1:16:35.920 what you you know what you know you know, and 1:16:36.000 --> 1:16:44.880 so if you don't, then he's not really enthused. Yeah. Yeah, 1:16:45.439 --> 1:16:47.320 that's why you get a little ghetto boy because he 1:16:47.400 --> 1:16:50.640 was so detailed and so descriptive with it. It's like 1:16:50.640 --> 1:16:52.200 you watch the movie when you listen to some of 1:16:52.280 --> 1:16:57.680 them songs, listen I admire the fact that you know 1:16:57.760 --> 1:17:01.360 your ego and pride can act like I'm with this 1:17:01.600 --> 1:17:05.400 that I don't come from. But once you recognize that 1:17:05.439 --> 1:17:07.559 it's not your cup of tea and that's really not 1:17:07.640 --> 1:17:11.640 how you made up and now you're tired of manifesting 1:17:11.680 --> 1:17:16.000 that personality or vibal whatnot. You know, when you don't 1:17:16.640 --> 1:17:19.600 uh find when you don't find a way, you know, 1:17:19.640 --> 1:17:21.920 I guess with dre like I don't, I'm not he 1:17:21.920 --> 1:17:24.519 He's not going to do a lot of explaining why 1:17:24.560 --> 1:17:27.639 this and why that and why this unless it's something 1:17:27.680 --> 1:17:30.640 about you where he would bring something special to the 1:17:30.680 --> 1:17:34.720 table or something personal from the table, or you know, 1:17:34.760 --> 1:17:38.760 from his perspective, where cat this and this and this 1:17:38.800 --> 1:17:41.280 and this happened And this is why I was inspired, 1:17:41.760 --> 1:17:45.360 This is why I did this. I get those gems 1:17:45.400 --> 1:17:48.440 every once in a while without having a long conversation. 1:17:48.520 --> 1:17:52.080 It's just the right energy and the right situation. Would 1:17:52.120 --> 1:17:54.040 you be surprised how it's going to come out? And 1:17:54.080 --> 1:17:57.519 if he feels in his heart that you trustworthy, I think, 1:17:57.520 --> 1:18:00.360 because you know he's in his own lane. But you know, 1:18:00.960 --> 1:18:02.559 you know how it is like I don't see eight 1:18:02.560 --> 1:18:04.280 all the time. I don't see James all the time. 1:18:04.560 --> 1:18:07.519 But whatever you're doing to not be on the funk 1:18:07.600 --> 1:18:13.599 up radar says a lot about how I could confining 1:18:13.160 --> 1:18:17.800 you and give you a jeweler two. And that's that's 1:18:17.880 --> 1:18:19.920 that's kind of like what I see with him right now. 1:18:19.960 --> 1:18:24.120 He just he's still fine tuning him. That's because you're successful. 1:18:24.160 --> 1:18:27.200 Don't mean you still are you through with learning all 1:18:27.240 --> 1:18:29.280 you threw We're going through ship, And he was. He 1:18:29.360 --> 1:18:32.599 was smart enough to walk away from certain things in 1:18:32.640 --> 1:18:35.920 his life. Like you said, he knew wasn't right. He 1:18:36.920 --> 1:18:40.040 got to that point where he had to think about 1:18:41.400 --> 1:18:45.680 at the beginning, it is all good because this this, this, 1:18:45.680 --> 1:18:49.800 this platform, this just print out that you put in 1:18:49.840 --> 1:18:52.920 front of me sound like we've been making. We're there. 1:18:53.840 --> 1:18:57.280 So you drew out the right ship. But then at 1:18:57.320 --> 1:18:59.400 the end of the day, when I see your true colors, 1:18:59.439 --> 1:19:02.280 I see what ship is. Damn it's just really for me, 1:19:03.240 --> 1:19:05.680 it's just kind of ship I want to be. I'm 1:19:05.720 --> 1:19:08.640 going down with you, goddamn ship. I don't want to 1:19:08.680 --> 1:19:11.840 be a part of this ship. And and because he 1:19:11.960 --> 1:19:14.559 wanted to be a human being without saying that the ego, 1:19:14.680 --> 1:19:17.960 the ego and pride, the ego, and pride is thrown 1:19:18.000 --> 1:19:23.240 out the wonder the dumb ship. I can give you 1:19:23.280 --> 1:19:25.600 an example, and I can say that because I'm just 1:19:25.760 --> 1:19:27.519 I'm just saying if I'm a consumer point of view, 1:19:27.840 --> 1:19:31.120 just like when Uh at the Source of Wars, I've 1:19:31.160 --> 1:19:35.360 seen how the audience was of that entourage was responded 1:19:35.400 --> 1:19:38.560 when he said what he had to say. Yeah, a 1:19:38.720 --> 1:19:44.480 few that could and shoot or would spoke their perspective 1:19:44.840 --> 1:19:48.040 about Damn. I didn't understand what it was and why 1:19:48.120 --> 1:19:51.920 it had to be that when I heard the young man. 1:19:52.080 --> 1:19:53.679 I mean, you know the brothers said what he said 1:19:53.720 --> 1:19:55.120 on the stage. You know, they didn't know that was 1:19:55.120 --> 1:19:56.599 gonna come with it. They thought he was gonna get 1:19:56.640 --> 1:19:59.120 his award and go a different route. So when that 1:19:59.240 --> 1:20:01.400 was said, and then I watched the cameras to be 1:20:01.560 --> 1:20:05.760 put on the entourage, I'll sing what that is, and 1:20:05.880 --> 1:20:08.920 it's not me judging. We know what that is. It's pride, 1:20:09.240 --> 1:20:12.600 It's funny, it's it's the same ship what I was 1:20:12.640 --> 1:20:14.439 saying with the gang Bang. You know the same thing. 1:20:14.520 --> 1:20:17.840 When we don't want to point it out, ain't no 1:20:18.000 --> 1:20:22.160 men in the room. Everybody just gonna roll because if 1:20:22.160 --> 1:20:26.920 it's an expression being seen like you you don't you 1:20:26.960 --> 1:20:30.559 don't like that, and you got something to say about it? Dan, 1:20:31.240 --> 1:20:33.479 you you you feel to be done in the way 1:20:33.560 --> 1:20:35.639 you can't even imagine. You know what kind of ship 1:20:35.800 --> 1:20:37.479 is that you know? And and and and in the 1:20:37.560 --> 1:20:41.240 corporate America or just as a people we looked at like, damn, 1:20:42.120 --> 1:20:46.080 where's the values, Who's a man? Who's a stand up guy? 1:20:47.640 --> 1:20:52.760 It isn't as somebody got to be So imagine how 1:20:52.840 --> 1:20:56.040 many years that was, and the and the and the 1:20:56.240 --> 1:20:58.320 and the first man we've seen that needed that had 1:20:58.400 --> 1:21:01.840 to be a man was Andrea Young. And I heard 1:21:01.880 --> 1:21:04.280 he was in an easy situation when he when he 1:21:04.560 --> 1:21:09.680 made this decision, but he survived. And you gotta understand 1:21:09.920 --> 1:21:12.240 that man is a is a big brother to me 1:21:12.400 --> 1:21:15.519 because the O G s of and big brothers of 1:21:15.680 --> 1:21:19.000 this music game and as a producer is the Sleps, 1:21:19.400 --> 1:21:22.519 is the Pools, is the dres is the Egyptian Lover, 1:21:22.920 --> 1:21:25.160 is the Bob Cat and is the l A Posse 1:21:26.760 --> 1:21:30.320 l A Posse, did l L Cool J Ship Muffler, 1:21:30.520 --> 1:21:35.599 Durroll Pool and Bob and name Niggas is still here 1:21:35.640 --> 1:21:38.880 to this day. And they got a better perspective for life. 1:21:40.520 --> 1:21:43.240 So when I could have been encouraged to go the 1:21:43.400 --> 1:21:46.000 same way exactly what Drey was going. When I seen 1:21:46.120 --> 1:21:48.719 him doing all that, I was just like, I couldn't judge, 1:21:48.920 --> 1:21:51.200 and I think got some black a bits talking about 1:21:52.080 --> 1:21:54.960 my perspective or my appreciation that I had for him, 1:21:54.960 --> 1:21:56.960 and then I've seen this and then this ain't him. 1:21:57.240 --> 1:22:00.800 That's one thing I learned is to keep my perspective 1:22:01.040 --> 1:22:05.000 to myself. Now I did have loose lips, but thank 1:22:05.040 --> 1:22:07.880 god it didn't sink sink my boat. You know what 1:22:07.960 --> 1:22:10.120 I'm saying. I have to say that I had to 1:22:10.400 --> 1:22:13.439 look at it a different perspective because someone can take 1:22:13.520 --> 1:22:16.000 what I say and if they got a strong enough 1:22:16.040 --> 1:22:18.960 reputation with the person that I love, that can go 1:22:19.160 --> 1:22:22.640 and turn that turn that ship around, and then next thing, 1:22:22.720 --> 1:22:25.720 you know, he ain't feeling me. But one thing I 1:22:25.800 --> 1:22:28.920 do know, man, No man is my savior. You know 1:22:28.960 --> 1:22:31.960 what I'm saying, You're not my God. You know, if 1:22:32.000 --> 1:22:36.080 I bring something life altering and disrespectful where you feel 1:22:36.120 --> 1:22:37.960 like you gotta take me out and I was the 1:22:38.080 --> 1:22:40.439 cause of it, so be it. But if it's not, 1:22:40.840 --> 1:22:43.200 I'm really ain't gonna feel you fear you for Ship, 1:22:43.760 --> 1:22:46.080 I'm not gonna do that, you know. And that's one 1:22:46.160 --> 1:22:48.519 thing I think it is with Dre. Just to sum 1:22:48.640 --> 1:22:51.120 it up, he can't stand yes or no, sir niggers 1:22:52.080 --> 1:22:53.920 and he and you might get talked to in a 1:22:54.040 --> 1:22:57.439 way if you don't know what you're talking about that way, 1:22:58.080 --> 1:23:01.679 you know what I'm saying, because if you study someone 1:23:02.200 --> 1:23:05.000 outside looking in, it should be enough for you to go. 1:23:05.160 --> 1:23:08.680 You know what. I only need to brain what is 1:23:08.720 --> 1:23:11.120 needed in this in this room. If I get a 1:23:11.160 --> 1:23:14.479 phone call or if I come across the path, you 1:23:14.560 --> 1:23:16.839 know what I'm saying this, do that and keep it pushing. 1:23:16.880 --> 1:23:20.280 Other than that, don't be having a question mark really 1:23:20.320 --> 1:23:23.680 with him like that. It's called the vine order. So 1:23:23.720 --> 1:23:26.160 the only thing I bring to anyone eight y'ard when 1:23:26.160 --> 1:23:28.120 I see y'alls that that's like when I pulled up 1:23:28.160 --> 1:23:31.840 with him, my personality and my vibe was so free spirit. 1:23:31.960 --> 1:23:33.760 That's the first thing I said, Ship, I'm yeah, I 1:23:33.760 --> 1:23:35.560 ain't gonna let you'll put an ap be on me. 1:23:36.439 --> 1:23:39.920 That was an atonement thing or endearing, daring thing to 1:23:40.000 --> 1:23:43.360 say that. I appreciate the time y'all here, and y'all 1:23:43.360 --> 1:23:45.479 were sitting outside. So I'm like, damn, and I'm so 1:23:45.760 --> 1:23:47.719 super late. I knew I wasn't because it was seven 1:23:47.760 --> 1:23:52.120 thirt so so, but I wanted to show that as 1:23:52.200 --> 1:23:55.880 a form of greeting my brothers who are really taking 1:23:56.000 --> 1:23:58.720 time out for the individual's lives to talk with me, 1:23:59.600 --> 1:24:01.880 you know what, saying, We're gonna make sure. I always 1:24:01.920 --> 1:24:04.800 want to make sure that at least one of us 1:24:04.920 --> 1:24:08.320 is here before the guests get here. You know, asked them, 1:24:08.600 --> 1:24:11.200 and I always asked them, do you have any particular 1:24:11.280 --> 1:24:13.840 needs or wants? Do you have anything? Do you want? 1:24:14.120 --> 1:24:16.040 Some people might want water, you know what I'm saying, 1:24:16.040 --> 1:24:18.120 Some people might need you know what I mean. So 1:24:18.360 --> 1:24:21.120 you know that's what I love about now besides the 1:24:21.200 --> 1:24:25.600 title of being gangster. Chronicles, Well, I'm sitting at the 1:24:25.640 --> 1:24:29.519 table with men who are passionate with principles and morals. 1:24:30.479 --> 1:24:34.519 So that should be the new evolution of the gangster 1:24:34.600 --> 1:24:38.719 is to have a chronicle, have chronicle things to share 1:24:39.160 --> 1:24:41.880 with the world. You feeling, That's what it is right there, 1:24:42.000 --> 1:24:44.880 that part right, You hit it right in the head. Man. 1:24:45.320 --> 1:24:47.559 But before we go, we can't leave without you talking 1:24:47.600 --> 1:24:49.680 about this man. The word in the streets seals man 1:24:49.760 --> 1:24:51.599 that you're working on the album right now. Man, it's 1:24:51.640 --> 1:24:56.200 gonna be out towards it one. I heard it everybody 1:24:56.320 --> 1:24:58.639 on their dog. So what's the news, and we break 1:24:58.680 --> 1:25:01.360 some news on this mother, Yes we can. I have 1:25:01.520 --> 1:25:06.680 a song called I'm from Around the Way. And when 1:25:06.720 --> 1:25:08.960 you look at your purpose and your gift is bigger 1:25:09.000 --> 1:25:13.000 than the block. And the fact that I seen early 1:25:13.120 --> 1:25:17.400 on in my career royalty statements from records being distributed 1:25:17.439 --> 1:25:20.560 and sold and played on all different platforms that you 1:25:20.640 --> 1:25:24.080 can never imagine. When I started seeing that I was 1:25:24.200 --> 1:25:29.599 being appreciated from South central California and Japan, Canada, Detroit, 1:25:29.760 --> 1:25:33.040 It's like, Okay, now, this must be a gift that 1:25:33.200 --> 1:25:37.120 guy gave me that my mother and father didn't see coming, 1:25:37.680 --> 1:25:40.799 that I would have the ability to touch the masses 1:25:41.000 --> 1:25:44.400 of the world. Now, how can I continue that? Well, 1:25:44.560 --> 1:25:47.880 first of all, I understood what this thing was, It's 1:25:47.920 --> 1:25:51.400 called hip hop. Then I understood the entertainment business. Then 1:25:51.439 --> 1:25:56.400 I understood that it's life, hardships and good that goes 1:25:56.520 --> 1:25:59.320 with it that can really be appreciated, like in the 1:25:59.439 --> 1:26:01.920 form of a movie or anything. So I said, you 1:26:02.000 --> 1:26:05.439 know what, I gotta tell my story because everyone got 1:26:05.520 --> 1:26:10.160 there um stories about battle Cat, but they really don't 1:26:10.200 --> 1:26:12.680 know how battle Cat came about. So they need to 1:26:12.800 --> 1:26:16.120 introduce to the world through battle Cat who Kevin is 1:26:17.040 --> 1:26:19.640 that helped battle Cat become who he is, which is 1:26:19.720 --> 1:26:24.200 a voice for the on song and heard of life 1:26:24.400 --> 1:26:28.400 not just entertainment. So I got a single call I'm 1:26:28.439 --> 1:26:31.360 from around the way because I'm from everywhere, you know 1:26:31.400 --> 1:26:36.600 what I'm saying. And Uh, I did a EP. I 1:26:36.680 --> 1:26:38.280 have an album and to have, but I got an 1:26:38.320 --> 1:26:41.680 EP where I think everyone is gonna be able to 1:26:41.760 --> 1:26:46.280 appreciate my story. Uh. The song is being mixed now. 1:26:47.479 --> 1:26:50.479 Um the singles should be out maybe U sometime the 1:26:50.600 --> 1:26:56.040 first two weeks uh of July. Um, I get a 1:26:56.120 --> 1:27:00.639 chance to this give the world my perspective as a man, 1:27:00.880 --> 1:27:03.160 as a father, as a husband, as a musician, as 1:27:03.160 --> 1:27:07.479 a producer. Uh and uh and and and someone who's 1:27:07.520 --> 1:27:10.120 who's loved you know, I even speaking on the things 1:27:10.160 --> 1:27:13.080 A little bit of people not appreciate me. But one 1:27:13.120 --> 1:27:16.040 thing I did bring was accountability, so it won't be 1:27:16.160 --> 1:27:18.920 looking like I'm just trying to be bigger than someone 1:27:19.760 --> 1:27:22.360 or you know, my life was just perfect like that. No, 1:27:22.640 --> 1:27:26.040 I took the imperfection and turning into perfection. So I 1:27:26.080 --> 1:27:28.639 ain't here to judge. I'm here to just love. I'm 1:27:28.840 --> 1:27:31.160 here to bring some good music. I'm here to finish 1:27:31.200 --> 1:27:36.160 what I started. You know. Um having my brothers on 1:27:36.240 --> 1:27:39.240 the West Coast that are producers slash artists like Quick 1:27:39.320 --> 1:27:42.920 and Dre, They've both been such an inspiration to us all, 1:27:43.560 --> 1:27:46.600 but they don't have to be the only two remaining 1:27:46.920 --> 1:27:52.479 that could uh fulfill being a voice for their coast 1:27:52.600 --> 1:27:56.519 in the world. So that's what I'm doing. And uh yeah, 1:27:57.320 --> 1:28:00.360 we we can't wait to play some of them records 1:28:00.360 --> 1:28:02.880 because you know, we got the radio show man. You know, 1:28:03.360 --> 1:28:07.160 wake your punk ass up, man, Let's go. Let's gonna 1:28:07.160 --> 1:28:10.400 be on. Let's gonna be on every Friday nights, you know, 1:28:10.560 --> 1:28:14.439 every Friday nights. Luck, every Friday night. On that note, 1:28:14.520 --> 1:28:19.160 I did leave y'all, uh uh, I think about thirty 1:28:19.280 --> 1:28:21.920 to thirty five minutes, not forty five minutes of my 1:28:22.080 --> 1:28:25.719 classic hits. Uh. I just need to get your email 1:28:25.760 --> 1:28:28.040 and forward. That makes I did that before I got here, 1:28:28.360 --> 1:28:30.840 for sure. I got so much ship. Yeah, I'm gonna 1:28:30.880 --> 1:28:33.120 have to do part two, three and four and give 1:28:33.520 --> 1:28:37.880 a whole catalog of records and from artists independent to 1:28:38.000 --> 1:28:40.840 the majors that I ever worked with. I never did 1:28:40.920 --> 1:28:43.639 that for anyone, but gainst the Chronicle seemed like it's 1:28:44.040 --> 1:28:47.840 one of the homes I can plant that seed. And 1:28:47.880 --> 1:28:49.360 I'm gonna tell you, and I'm gonna tell you one 1:28:49.360 --> 1:28:50.920 of the things that we're doing. I promise you wanta 1:28:50.960 --> 1:28:54.360 lect you bouty here. You know, I got the battle 1:28:54.560 --> 1:28:58.560 up in there, so you know I'm spoiler right, Let's 1:28:59.640 --> 1:29:02.200 time is wasted. One thing I'm gonna say is this man, 1:29:02.800 --> 1:29:06.200 we gotta call it wy up for the you know, 1:29:06.560 --> 1:29:08.080 for the thing you know, but it's what your punk 1:29:08.120 --> 1:29:10.040 asked up radio. One of the things we are gonna 1:29:10.040 --> 1:29:13.400 do is you can hear those classic Battlect records, but 1:29:13.479 --> 1:29:17.920 you go hear the new heat the battle Cat. Yeah, 1:29:17.920 --> 1:29:21.000 because my thing is this and I love the other 1:29:21.160 --> 1:29:23.479 radio stations to play the old stuff. My thing is this. 1:29:24.080 --> 1:29:28.000 Eight didn't stop making records. He's still got stuff that 1:29:28.160 --> 1:29:29.639 like to meet. The stuff he putting out the day 1:29:29.640 --> 1:29:31.840 it's killing the stuff he used to put up. Wow, 1:29:32.120 --> 1:29:34.439 you know what I'm saying. He's making that music. Back then, 1:29:34.520 --> 1:29:36.600 we know what that was. It was great music. But 1:29:36.760 --> 1:29:39.080 this new stuff is even more positive than the time 1:29:39.160 --> 1:29:41.360 of where he is right now exactly. So that's what 1:29:41.479 --> 1:29:44.400 I want to show. Yeah, we're playing as far as 1:29:44.439 --> 1:29:46.680 the music person to show that brothers are still out here. 1:29:46.680 --> 1:29:48.800 Actor and if you were on the West Coast and 1:29:48.840 --> 1:29:51.280 you got a home, we're looking off for home first, 1:29:51.360 --> 1:29:54.880 not no, no, officially nobody else, but we been with it. 1:29:54.960 --> 1:29:57.599 I was told that my age is the same around 1:29:57.640 --> 1:30:00.639 the same time when Quenche Jones did the did the Thriller. 1:30:00.680 --> 1:30:02.280 So I feel like when I'm at now, I'm in 1:30:02.360 --> 1:30:04.960 my thriller moment right now exactly. You know what I'm saying. 1:30:05.080 --> 1:30:06.800 So I got something to say. Big shout out to 1:30:06.880 --> 1:30:11.320 stand Shepherd, big shout out to postar Entertainment, big shout 1:30:11.360 --> 1:30:15.840 out to me and wife is get down new shoes entertainment. 1:30:16.600 --> 1:30:18.880 And um, I just got a bunch of beautiful things 1:30:18.960 --> 1:30:22.880 happening that really involved y'all too as well. So don't 1:30:22.920 --> 1:30:25.519 be don't be surprised when I I get to hitting 1:30:25.560 --> 1:30:29.320 y'all doorbell for something that's that's out of your comfort zone. 1:30:29.760 --> 1:30:32.360 But it's gonna be definitely something that I think is 1:30:32.400 --> 1:30:36.400 rewarding to such a platform called against the chronicles, you know, 1:30:36.520 --> 1:30:39.000 And that's one thing when you do these interviews, you 1:30:39.040 --> 1:30:42.080 know a lot of people you know, need they status, 1:30:42.160 --> 1:30:45.040 core rep or you don't need to be validated. I 1:30:45.080 --> 1:30:46.960 don't need none of those in the above. I'm here 1:30:47.040 --> 1:30:50.720 to give. I came with my with my hand uh 1:30:51.040 --> 1:30:54.040 to bear gifts, not when my hands open looking to receive. 1:30:54.840 --> 1:30:58.000 You know. So y'all already did that by creating this platform. 1:30:58.040 --> 1:31:01.960 I think the world it's gonna really appreciate you guys 1:31:02.400 --> 1:31:04.680 twenty thirty years from now from having us because this 1:31:04.760 --> 1:31:07.960 we never had this before and have people for these 1:31:08.160 --> 1:31:11.120 from these authentic walks of life. It's just amazing. So 1:31:11.800 --> 1:31:14.400 you know, um, we ain't tripping to what the numbers is. 1:31:14.479 --> 1:31:16.920 They're gonna climb anyway, because when people get tired of 1:31:17.000 --> 1:31:20.240 the boys shit like preatures behind the pool kit and 1:31:20.280 --> 1:31:22.920 they want something real that's gonna stand the test of time, 1:31:22.960 --> 1:31:26.400 they're gonna they're gonna say, damn, thanks the Chronicles. It 1:31:26.560 --> 1:31:29.719 was this. Damn that was that was something we didn't 1:31:29.720 --> 1:31:32.639 see coming, you know, And so I'm glad we're putting 1:31:32.720 --> 1:31:34.439 y'all putting the work in and having me a part 1:31:34.479 --> 1:31:37.760 of this. Man, Thank you, again a time. Man. It's 1:31:37.800 --> 1:31:43.320 so when they have no fellers another way before we 1:31:43.439 --> 1:31:48.120 go out of here, man, I wanna I want to say, uh, 1:31:48.600 --> 1:31:53.080 I'm you know, share prayer from my uncle Malcolm. But Dad, yes, sir, 1:31:54.320 --> 1:31:57.080 right down, and we're going through it every day. But 1:31:57.200 --> 1:32:01.120 we're there as family. Yes, and uh, we're gonna give 1:32:01.160 --> 1:32:06.640 a shout outs to Monster Cody. Wow, you know, and 1:32:06.840 --> 1:32:09.320 it wouldn't be Gangster Chronicles if you didn't do that right. 1:32:09.360 --> 1:32:11.240 And I gotta give a shout out to my whole girl, 1:32:11.320 --> 1:32:16.320 big Mama Backstreet. You know, she just passed away. She's 1:32:16.360 --> 1:32:18.800 a right to die. And I'm with a big time 1:32:19.360 --> 1:32:23.439 and uh that was my girls show man, love your 1:32:23.439 --> 1:32:25.599 family while they're here, and let's not fight each other 1:32:26.080 --> 1:32:30.600 and let's embraced each other a piece of positivity. We 1:32:30.680 --> 1:32:35.600 gotta here. Well. That concludes another episode of Against the 1:32:35.680 --> 1:32:38.840 Chronicles podcast. 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