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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday, and more importantly, happy comedy takeover. Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Great to see you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, all right, we got it.

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Speaker 2: How you doing doing good? Lots to get to this morning.

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Speaker 2: We've got theoretically anyway, diplomacy happening in Geneva on the

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Speaker 2: Aran front, so we'll dig into that. We've got some

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Speaker 2: weird things developing with regard to Cuba. I'm hoping you

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Speaker 2: can explain that to me. We have AI pushing for

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Speaker 2: nuclear war, so definitely keeping our eye on that one

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Speaker 2: as well. Hillary Clinton is testifying with regards to the

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Speaker 2: Epstein files today, and there have been some there's been

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Speaker 2: some new fallout there, Bill Gates admitting to two affairs

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Speaker 2: with Russian women, Larry Summers out at Harvard completely. Ryan

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Speaker 2: and I are also going to do a deep dive

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Speaker 2: hard and look at the Maha moms who are abandoning

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Speaker 2: the Trump Mega movement and feeling betrayed. This comes as

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Speaker 2: Casey Means testified she's trying to win support to become

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Speaker 2: Surgeon General of the United States. And then Ryan's going

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Speaker 2: to be doing some heavy lifting. He's going to talk

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Speaker 2: to David Hogg and David Dan We've got dueling. David's

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Speaker 2: coming in to talk about some Democratic Party interesting fights

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Speaker 2: and dark money that's moving around there as well. And

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Speaker 2: he also recorded an interview with Nita Alum, who is

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Speaker 2: part of that dark money you know situation. She's having

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Speaker 2: a bunch of money spent against her. Ryan, just give

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Speaker 2: a little preview of that one and what's going on

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Speaker 2: why her race in particular is so interesting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, her election is this coming Tuesday in North Carolina

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Speaker 4: and it's a rematch from twenty twenty two where she

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Speaker 4: lost by about nine points to this candidate, Valerie Fushi,

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Speaker 4: who's now the incumbent, but APAC had to spend more

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Speaker 4: than two million dollars beating her. Then she's now a

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Speaker 4: her fairly easily going into this rematch because she's out,

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Speaker 4: she's outraised Fushi, and the district was redrawn a little

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Speaker 4: bit to make it even more progressive. Fushi had even

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Speaker 4: though she got all this a PAC money, she started

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Speaker 4: what we can report today is a PAC money is

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Speaker 3: Any a PAC money.

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Speaker 4: But they found they found a new kind of secret

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Speaker 4: we'll keep that as a teaser. You got to stick

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you definitely will want to know because it's

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Speaker 2: very consequential how they are doing this, and says a

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Speaker 2: You know, when we're covering war, when we're covering the

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Speaker 2: Epstein files, all of these things can be very tricky

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Speaker 2: of the great support you guys have shown. All Right,

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Speaker 2: with that, let's go ahead and get into questions of

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Speaker 5: Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. If they try to

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Speaker 3: They have tried to do exactly that.

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Speaker 5: So the President sending those negotiators to try to address

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Speaker 5: has other options as well.

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Speaker 2: Ryan, anything significant that you glean from those comments.

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Speaker 4: Just that they've kind of lost even the pretense of

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Speaker 3: It's like, and now.

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Speaker 4: Jade Vance is saying, well, Okay, yes we obliterated it,

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Speaker 4: and yes there's no instead they're doing any enrichment or

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Speaker 4: thinking about it. It's like, what like stop, but but

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Speaker 4: now here I am being a hypocrite because I had

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Speaker 4: now they're trying to lie us into war. So yes,

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Speaker 2: At least it's a low bar. It's a pretty low bar're.

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Speaker 4: At least lying to us. Finally, before they were just like,

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Speaker 4: we're going to do it.

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Speaker 2: About we don't really care what you think, Like, we're

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Speaker 2: not even we're going to make up a variety. We

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Speaker 2: really care about the Iranian protesters, Okay, sure, yeah, and

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Speaker 2: real great beacons of human rights here from this administration,

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Speaker 2: deep concern for those sorts of principles and values. Marco

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Speaker 2: Rubio kind of sounding similar notes about, you know, how

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Speaker 2: Iran represents some grave threat to the American public. No

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Speaker 2: one serious would agree with that whatsoever. But in any case,

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Speaker 2: here's the Secretary of State, who's supposed to be a

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Speaker 6: I think tomorrow Steve and Jarrett will be there. I

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Speaker 6: President was very clear last night that he always prefers

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Speaker 6: to plumbing. After their nuclear program was obliterated, they were

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Speaker 6: You can see them always trying to rebuild elements of it.

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Speaker 6: They're not enriching right now, but they're trying to get

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Speaker 6: I would point you to, however, is that Iran possesses

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Speaker 6: a very large number of ballistic missiles, particularly short range

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Speaker 6: ballistic missiles that threaten the United States and our bases

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Speaker 6: And they also possess naval assets that threaten shipping and

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Speaker 6: be understand that. And beyond just a nuclear program, they

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Speaker 6: possess these conventional weapons that are solely designed to attack

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Speaker 2: And that language right there, Ryan is really terrible because

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Speaker 2: now he's using not only you know, okay, So if

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Speaker 2: if the focus was really on nuclear weapons, there's a

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Speaker 2: deal that could be done. We know that because there

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Speaker 2: already was a deal that was done previously that we

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Speaker 2: walked away from, So that would be extremely doable. But

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Speaker 2: when you start throwing these other things into the mix.

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Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, they have ballistic missiles. This

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Speaker 2: they have naval assets of ships. What they're they're not

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Speaker 4: It's like they have these magical devices that float on

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Speaker 4: top of water and we just can't. We can't allow this,

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Speaker 4: We can't can't have this. They're threatening shit, they're threatening ships.

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Speaker 4: Now the irony there is that clearly he understands the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, our partners in the region that's Israel.

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Speaker 3: But then he doesn't go there.

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Speaker 4: He says, right, he leads with our bases, our American bases. Well,

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Speaker 4: a couple of things. One, why do we have American

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Speaker 2: But they probably think about it that way.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, but the restrictions that it particularly Israel is

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Speaker 2: I do want to say I was listening to John

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Speaker 2: the screen. Somebody is leaking to Politico that they believe

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Speaker 2: the politics are better if Israel strikes iron first. And

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Speaker 2: here's the logic, which is the most cynical thing you

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Speaker 2: and then maybe the American people can be more cajoled

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Speaker 5: Shop, and briefed on that for Americans were killed in intervening. Yeah,

435
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Speaker 5: so on the second thing, heishi Marco briefly about fifteen

436
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Speaker 5: minutes ago on it. But we don't know a whole

437
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Speaker 5: lot of details, and so I'll defer to the White

438
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Speaker 5: House to provide more updates as we get them. Certainly,

439
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 5: you know a situation that we're monitoring. Hopefully it's not

440
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Speaker 5: as bad as we fear it could be. But I

441
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Speaker 5: can't say more because I just don't know more.

442
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Speaker 4: And so Crystal all ten of the men on the

443
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Speaker 4: speedboat were Cuban nationals who living in the United States.

444
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Speaker 4: We don't know yet if any had become American citizens

445
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Speaker 4: or not, but we do know that they were. You know,

446
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 4: they were armed and within within a mile of the

447
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 4: Cuban coast and according to the Cubans fired on the

448
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 4: coast guard. They fired first. So we don't have video

449
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 4: yet of this. It would be I think it would

450
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Speaker 4: be unusual. For the reason I credit the Cuban government

451
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 4: account here is that it would just be unusual for

452
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Speaker 4: the Cuban coast guard to just open fire on a

453
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 4: ship like that, right they have, They wouldn't basically never

454
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Speaker 4: done that.

455
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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be in their interest remotely right now to

456
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 2: provoke the US, you know, I mean this perfect pretet

457
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Speaker 2: like if you kill some American citizens, we don't like

458
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 2: you said, know if these are American citizens are not?

459
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Speaker 2: Again we learned from the Iran block where they're like

460
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Speaker 2: looking for pretext, Oh my god, you killed an American,

461
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Speaker 2: Now we're going to bomb the shit on of you.

462
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Speaker 2: Like they would love some sort of pretext to mess

463
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Speaker 2: with Cuba. I don't know what do you read in

464
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: terms of the tea leaves here o or whether these

465
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: were just some like Miami Cubans freelancing, or whether this

466
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: was some sort of you know, U s c I

467
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Speaker 2: A backed attempt to get on the island and cause

468
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Speaker 2: some sort of mischief.

469
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Speaker 3: You know.

470
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Speaker 4: On the one hand, it feels like the camouflage, you know, scopes,

471
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 4: like assault weapons, like it feels like it has some

472
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 4: you know, sophistication behind it. On the other hand, this

473
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 4: is the United States.

474
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 2: You know, you can not hard to access those things.

475
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 4: You can get all that stuff, you know, with a

476
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 4: credit card. You know, We're not We're not a place

477
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 4: that makes it difficult, particularly in Florida, to to arm

478
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 4: up that boat in the way that they did.

479
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Speaker 3: Uh. There there are you know, there is a you know, there.

480
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Speaker 4: Is a Cuban exile community there that is extraordinarily radical

481
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 4: and there's a militant wing of it that you know,

482
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 4: this is this has shades of this scandal from many.

483
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Speaker 3: Years ago called they called Brothers to the Rescue.

484
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Speaker 4: Where Miami exiles were flying over Cuba repeatedly and the

485
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 4: Cubans kept warning them stop and then eventually shot the

486
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Speaker 4: plane down. I believe it was a member of Congress

487
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 4: or somebody else was recently pushing Trump to indict and

488
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 4: then go capture Raul Castro for the murder of these

489
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Speaker 4: four men in the in what's called this Brothers to

490
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 4: the Rescue, you know, plane downing, So it has echoes

491
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 4: of that. What what what links are there to American intelligence?

492
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Speaker 4: You know, maybe we'll find out sooner rather than later.

493
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Speaker 4: But it's plausible that you know, there is enough of

494
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 4: a militant, you know, easily armed community in Miami that

495
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 4: would just that would do this and believe that they're

496
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Speaker 4: helping to spark some type of uprising on the island

497
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 4: that would then lead to some significant American intervention. So

498
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Speaker 4: could go either way. What what what? What do you think?

499
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Speaker 2: I mean? I think knowing a little bit more about

500
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 2: the background of these individuals would be helpful. You know,

501
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: certainly if one I was like, oh, former Delta Force

502
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 2: or whatever. Really okay, you know, a former Navy cl

503
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Speaker 2: We've okay, we've seen this before. So you know, for me,

504
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 2: it's still a question mark. I find both explanations plausible,

505
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: but you know, maybe give us an update. One of

506
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 2: the things that we were hopeful about when the Supreme

507
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: Court struck down Trump's tariffs and you brought this up immediately.

508
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: Ryan was, well, they've been using those terrorifts to threaten

509
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Speaker 2: Mexico and say you can't send the oil that Cuba

510
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 2: has already purchased. You can't send it to Cuba or

511
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: else we're going to tear if the shit on if

512
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: you Well, that tool has been taken out of their arsenal.

513
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Speaker 2: But when we talked to Jose of Dropside News that

514
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Speaker 2: you're ahead of your Latin America desk, he was pretty

515
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 2: doubtful that it would really change the calculation because his

516
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: sense was that Claudia Scheinbaum had told, had been told

517
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 2: in no uncertain terms like no, this is really a

518
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: problem for us, and you know, and that she would

519
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 2: be likely to listen and you know, not violate the

520
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Speaker 2: illegal oil embargo that we put on the island.

521
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, because there are other tariffs that Trump can you know,

522
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 4: put on Mexican goods up to think fifty percent. You know,

523
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 4: you can challenge them and they will be challenged, no doubt.

524
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: Well, and she, I mean Trump made the point. He's like, well,

525
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,479
Speaker 2: it's kind of ridiculous that I can destroy a country,

526
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 2: but I can't levey tariffs. And I mean in a sense,

527
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: he's correct, Like there's all kinds of ways that he

528
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: could screw with Mexico that don't have to do with tariffs.

529
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Speaker 3: Right right, So.

530
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Speaker 4: It's a real question for Shinbaum of how much she

531
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 4: wants to, you know, how important is it to her,

532
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 4: you know, to show solidarity with the Cubans and also

533
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 4: show her sovereignty. When she was asked about it at

534
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 4: her press conference I believe it was yesterday, she did say, like,

535
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 4: the tariffs that were preventing us from sending the Cuba

536
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 4: have been ruled unconstitutional in the United States, so stay

537
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 4: tuned as to what that means. So she did open

538
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 4: the door to the possibility that this Supreme Court ruling

539
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 4: will actually, you know, is having her rethink that maybe

540
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 4: she's just using that for leverage to get something else

541
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 4: out of Trump behind the scenes. But it's still a

542
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 4: jump ball, like it's back and play otherwise.

543
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:19,719
Speaker 2: In other words, all right, let's move on to this

544
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: AI fight. And I want to start here, guys with

545
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: a seven, which is the latest in this feud between

546
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: the Pentagon and Anthropic. Pentagon has taking the first step,

547
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: according to Axios, toward blacklisting Anthropic, and I really want

548
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: everyone to take all of this very seriously, because Anthropic

549
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: has positioned itself as the most safety conscious large AI

550
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: like Frontier AI lab, and I think they've especially with

551
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: this fight with the Pentagon, I think they've earned that

552
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: reputation at this point. That's not to say, and we'll

553
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: get to some of the problems a little bit later

554
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: that you know, it's all great because they are also

555
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: very much acceding to the market logic of we got

556
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: to throw safety to the side and just build, build, build,

557
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: But they put down two pretty reasonable red lines with

558
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: regard to the Pentagon's use of Claude their AI, which

559
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: was number one, we don't want it used for mass

560
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: surveillance of Americans. Okay, that seems pretty reasonable. And number two,

561
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: we don't want it to be used for autonomous killer

562
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: robots where there is no human being involved whatsoever. Those

563
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: seem like, you know, really a low bar to meat.

564
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: And yet the Pentagon has thrown a complete fit over this,

565
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: and Pete Hegseth in particular, and so this showdown has

566
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: been ongoing. I believe the deadline that heg Seth arbitrarily

567
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 2: set for Anthropic to completely capitulate to their demands is tomorrow.

568
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: And the two threats that he had made were either

569
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 2: we're going to actually just use the Defense Production Act

570
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: to seize your technology and give however we want. You're

571
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: not going to get a say in it whatsoever, or

572
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: and that one had a little bit more of potential

573
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: legal issues with it. Or the other direction, which they

574
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 2: look like they're going in at this point, Ryan, is

575
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: we're going to declare your product a supply chain risk

576
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: because again, you won't completely capitulate to our demands for

577
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: killer robots and mass surveillance of Americans. Apparently, and that

578
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: means not only are we going to end our two

579
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: hundred million dollar contract with you, but all of our

580
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: everyone we work with at the Pentagon, all the you know,

581
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: prime contractors, any of our suppliers, We're going to tell

582
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: them they can't work with you either because you're a

583
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: quote unquote supply chain risk. It looks like they're moving

584
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: in that direction, and the only thing that's really preventing

585
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: them is that Claude is actually, you know, the best

586
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: of these models, I think in general at this point,

587
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: but specifically for whatever the Pentagon is using it for,

588
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: Claude apparently performs better than the other models, and so

589
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: it's going to be kind of a mess for them

590
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: to disentangle this. And actually there's a quote here from

591
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: some senior military official that's like, yeah, if we have

592
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: to stop using Anthropic, if we have to stop using Claude,

593
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: that's going to be a mess. And we're going to

594
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: make them pay for the trouble that they've cost us.

595
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: Of course, Elon and x AI have stepped up and said, hey,

596
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: we don't have any problem. We'll do your autonomous killer

597
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: robot swarms. No no issue here, So you know, x

598
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: is raising their hand and say, hey, count us in.

599
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: But and and the Pentagon is going to reportedly give

600
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: them access to their classified systems, et cetera. But apparently

601
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: the you know, the product is is not as good

602
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: at this point coming from Elon than it is from Anthropics.

603
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: So that's kind of where things stand at this point.

604
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 4: Ryan, Yeah, shocked that GROC is not not up to

605
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 4: the task of uh that the Pentagon wants wants or two.

606
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: But yes, they're they're they're using the language that.

607
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 4: You know that and they are walking back the safety

608
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,479
Speaker 4: pledge like that's you know, this this that was reported

609
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 4: yesterday that this.

610
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: Was you're talking about. Anthropic is walking back the safety pledge.

611
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 4: And the quote from Jared Kaplan, who is the chief

612
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 4: Science officer who gave the time, he said, we didn't

613
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 4: feel with the rapid advance of AI that it made

614
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 4: sense for us to make unilateral commitments if competitors are

615
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 4: blazing ahead. We felt that it wouldn't actually help anyone

616
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 4: for us to stop training AI models. So the argument

617
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 4: that Musk and Altman and all of the others have

618
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 4: been making from the beginning is that we can't be

619
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 4: ethical because nobody else will be. We'd we'd like to be,

620
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 4: but nobody else is, so we can't be, So we

621
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 4: have to march forward.

622
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

623
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 4: Anthropic was the only one really that was saying no,

624
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 4: that we don't believe in that. We we believe that

625
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 4: we can do this separately. And now they're capitulating, you know,

626
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 4: to this under these under this combination of pressures.

627
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, in their message would basically be like, what

628
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: you think it's going to be better if Elon wins

629
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: the AI war and ends up with AGI or super

630
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: intelligence first, do you think that's going to be better?

631
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's their thinking and that logic is

632
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: not just the competition between these companies, but then it's

633
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: also the competition, you know, this geopolitical competition between the

634
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: US and China and all this fear mongering about like,

635
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: oh my god, if China achieves AGI or super intelligence first,

636
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: then we're done for et cetera. And so the safety

637
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: pledge that you're talking about, you know, their previous model

638
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: had basically been like, Okay, if we develop a model

639
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: and we can't feel comfortable like certifying that this is

640
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: completely safe, we're not going to release it and we're

641
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: going to stop. We're going to pause and figure out

642
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: what's going on. And now they're like, well, yeah, we're

643
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: not going to do that anymore, and we're going to

644
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: we have these other safety guidelines in place, so don't worry.

645
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: But you know, that particular model of actually stopping development

646
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: and figuring out what the hell is going on before

647
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: moving forward, yeah, we can't really. We can't really do

648
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: that because we're going to fall behind, and the market

649
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: logic dictates that we have to keep going. And you know,

650
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: in a sense, Ryan, I sort of empathize with them

651
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: because I think in the system that exists now with

652
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: government completely I mean, you can't even say hands off.

653
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: Like they're actively pushing all of this forward as fast

654
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: as they possibly can. You are not going to be

655
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: able to resist those pressures. I mean, this is really

656
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: an issue from you know, from our politicians where they

657
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 2: need to come in and regulate, because as long as

658
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: you have one company that's willing to say, you know,

659
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: to hell with all the safeguards, I'm going to bolt,

660
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm going to go ahead and race

661
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: ahead as fast as i can, then it means the

662
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: most irresponsible actor is the one that is most likely

663
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: to achieve artificial general intelligence or super intelligence the first

664
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: and that is a terrible, terrible set of circumstances. So

665
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: you know, it's really it's really a genuine failure and

666
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: a terrifying one of the political class, as evidenced now

667
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: by this, you know, this fight with the Pentagon and

668
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: the fact that they've decided to draw this hard line

669
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: of like, no, we demand that we use your product

670
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: for both surveillance and you know, killer robot purposes. I

671
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: wanted to play the CEO of Anthropic Dario amide Uh

672
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: responded to, you know, explaining his thinking of why this

673
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: was a hard line for them and listen. I. Like

674
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 2: I said, it's a low bar. I do want to

675
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 2: give them credit though, because at least they're standing up

676
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 2: against something in all of this. None of the other

677
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: companies seems to be doing that. This is a eight.

678
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to him laying

679
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 2: out his concerns.

680
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 8: That's one reason why I'm you know, I'm worried about

681
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 8: the you know, the the the autonomous drone swarm. Right, So,

682
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 8: you know, the constitutional protections in our military structures depend

683
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 8: on the idea that there are humans who would we hope,

684
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 8: dis bay illegal orders with fully autonomous weapons. We don't

685
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 8: necessarily have those protections, but I actually think this whole

686
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 8: idea of constitutional rights and liberty along many different dimensions

687
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 8: you know, can be undermined by AI if we don't

688
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 8: update these these protections appropriately. So, you know, think about

689
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 8: the Fourth Amendment. It is not illegal to you know,

690
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 8: put cameras around everywhere in public space and you know,

691
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 8: record every conversation. It's a public space. You don't have

692
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 8: a right to privacy in a public space. But today

693
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 8: the government couldn't record that all and make sense of it.

694
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 8: With AI, the ability to transcribe speech to look through it,

695
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 8: correlate it all You could say, oh, there's this, you know,

696
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 8: this person is a member of the opposition, this person

697
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 8: is expressing this view, and make a map of all

698
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 8: you know, one hundred million and so are you going

699
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 8: to make a mockery of the Fourth Amendment by the

700
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 8: technology finding kind of technical ways around it? And and

701
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 8: and so you know, again, if we if we had

702
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 8: the time, and we should do this. We should try

703
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 8: to do this even even if we don't have the time.

704
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 8: Is there some way of reconceptualizing constitutional rights and liberties

705
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 8: in the age of AI, Like, you know, we don't

706
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 8: need to write a new constitutional but you.

707
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 7: Know, does you have to do this?

708
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: Do we expand the meaning of the Fourth Amendment? Do

709
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: we expand the meaning of the First Amendment?

710
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: What do you think about those comments? Ryan and the

711
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 2: kind of like moral and ethical landscape that is being

712
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: trod right now.

713
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 4: I feel like that if those comments are not just

714
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 4: accepted as common sense and a baseline for how we're

715
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 4: moving forward, but instead are bull dozed over and used

716
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 4: as a rationale to nationalize the company and take its

717
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 4: take its product from it and use it again, Like

718
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 4: we're so ft like, yeah, the like they those to

719
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 4: me seems like such obvious basic principles that as humanity forget.

720
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 4: We do happen to have a constitution that says people

721
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 4: have you know, the right to you know, you know

722
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 4: that have basic protections, including the Fourth Amendment, and also

723
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 4: you can't just kill people for no reason. But even

724
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 4: if you don't have the constitution, like basic human rights

725
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 4: and our basic conception of humanity would suggest that those

726
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 4: are just that's just a that is the starting point,

727
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 4: and you would you would hope that would be the

728
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 4: starting point, and then people would then build on top

729
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 4: of that. Here are some other things that I think

730
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 4: we need to protect and some other things that we

731
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 4: should make sure that we're protecting as we're growing.

732
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: This.

733
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 4: To have that be the radical edge that's going to

734
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 4: be destroyed already instantly instantly is like wow, okay, well.

735
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know there's a lot of like, oh

736
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: I voted for this discourse or like I didn't vote

737
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: for this discourse around you know, Trump voters, but this

738
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 2: was definitely not a central part of the campaignity voting. Yeah,

739
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: we're going to just you know, off to the races

740
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: on Yeah, I mean not to say that that, like

741
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 2: I was paying attention to, that was their orientation for sure,

742
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 2: but the idea of like, yeah, we're just going to

743
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: try to eliminate all white collar work and by the way,

744
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: suck up all the water and electricity and spik your

745
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: rates and create these like you know, super dystopian panopticon surveillance,

746
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: state killer autonomous robots. You know, we're gonna we're going

747
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: to have this massive secret police force that is going

748
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: to be enabled with all of this technology, et cetera.

749
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: And that's going to be a main push. Like that

750
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: is the central and one of the most consequential things

751
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: that this administration is doing. The public is wildly, wildly

752
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 2: against all of this on any variety of fronts, and

753
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: to your point, they're just it looks like from the

754
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: jump they're just going to bulldoze through any of the

755
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: most terrifying concerns that are being offered here and say, Nope,

756
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: we want it all. We will do it all, and

757
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: we will use the whole force of the government, even

758
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: though we do not have a democratic mandate to do this,

759
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 2: in order to compel you to comply. And so let's

760
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 2: take a look at you know, the responsible decision making

761
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 2: nature of these leading AI products. At this point, let's

762
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 2: put a six up on the screen. Some new rather

763
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 2: terrifying research here from someone who tested the leading AI models,

764
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 2: and the headline here for new scientists says, AIS cannot

765
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: stop recommending nuclear strikes in wargame simulations. So they set

766
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: up these wargame simulations where it was like you know,

767
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 2: Claude versus Chat, GPT or whatever, and in ninety five

768
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 2: percent of instances, the AIS in the simulated war would

769
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: recommend using nukes. So that's that's where we're at, and

770
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: these are the products that we want to just like

771
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: let you know, run wild with any sort of human intervention, uh,

772
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: with the most powerful military on the planet that has

773
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: ever existed. So that seems like a really great idea.

774
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, And so when you think about autonomous armed drones,

775
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 4: like the next step would be you know autonomous like

776
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 4: how do you put guardrails around that autonomy that that

777
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 4: stopped short of control.

778
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 3: Of nuclear weapons?

779
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 4: Like if if you have deliberately destroyed all the safety mechanisms,

780
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 4: like don't you don't get a second chance at this

781
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 4: to come back in and be like, oh, you know what,

782
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 4: you were right? We actually, you know, should have made

783
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 4: sure before we rolled out this Pentagon AI that it

784
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 4: wouldn't just nuclear world.

785
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 3: You're right, next are bad. We're going to update it

786
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: and fix this.

787
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: Like you don't get that, yeah, completely. I was trying to.

788
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 2: I was messing around with CHAGBT yesterday and we're having

789
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: to like remodel our bathroom and I was trying to

790
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 2: get it to like move a shower head in the

791
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 2: new shower and it was it would not listen, and

792
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: it kept on like just producing an image that was

793
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: like the shower head in the same place. And I'd

794
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: be like, why are you doing this? And every time

795
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: I'd be like, you're right, I'm sorry, blah blah blah,

796
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: you know, and look when it's a showerhead in a

797
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: you know, fake image, no big deal. But what people

798
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: who are deeply concerned on the safety front point too,

799
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: is it's very possible that the catastrophe that makes everyone

800
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: wake up is an existential Like it's it's such a disaster,

801
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 2: can't yeah that you can't recover from it, or it's

802
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 2: so it's you know, horrifying, or you're talking about millions

803
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: of lives, like you know, there are a lot of

804
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: AI safety types who hope there's some sort of like

805
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: Chernobyl esque disaster that is really bad enough to wake

806
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: people up, but not so bad that you can't recover

807
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: from it, because there is a possibility that you know

808
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: already these models have developed to a point where they're

809
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: very powerful, and they're acting in ways that are extremely unpredictable.

810
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: We've gotten, you know, I've got a new example of

811
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 2: that we can put up here on the screen. A nine.

812
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: This is from Akash Gupta, who and this was reported elsewhere,

813
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: and he writes an AI newsletter. But in any case,

814
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: he says, one person writing the Spanish language prompt spent

815
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: a month talking Claude into acting as a penetration tester.

816
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: Federal Tax Authority, National Electoral Institute for State Governments, Mexico

817
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 2: City Civil Registry, Monore's water utility, one hundred and fifty

818
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: gigabytes out the door, one hundred and ninety five million

819
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 2: taxpayer records. The conversation lugs were publicly accessible the entire time.

820
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 2: What makes us worth paying attention to is the sequence.

821
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: Gambit Security is really firm that found the breach, traces

822
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: the attack to December twenty five through January twenty sixth. Today,

823
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: Anthropic dropped that central pledge of its responsible Scaling Policy

824
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three commitment to never train a model unless

825
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: safety measures were proven adequate first. Also today, Defense Secretary

826
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 2: Hegseth gave Daryu Amidae an ultimatum roll back your AI

827
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 2: state guards or lose a two hundred million dollars Pentagon contract.

828
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: The Pentagon threaten to declare Anthropic a supply chain risk

829
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 2: and invoke the Defense Production Act. Three stories hit the

830
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 2: company on the same day, an AI assisted government breach,

831
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: a gutted safety policy, and a military shakedown, and they're

832
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 2: all connected by the same underlying tension, and so you

833
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: know you already have Claude. Basically, what this hacker was

834
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: able to do was to jail break claud meaning that

835
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: the sort of restrictions that are put in place about

836
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: don't do bad things. They're able to sort of break

837
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 2: it out of that, which is a well known vulnerability

838
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 2: for these models. You can sort of like cajole them like, well,

839
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: we don't want to do this, but hypothetically, and if

840
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 2: you talk to them long enough, then they start to

841
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: lose track of the things that they're not supposed to

842
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: do et cetera. And so this person was able over

843
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: you know, a month's time to talk Claude into hacking

844
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: into the Mexican government and stealing all of this data.

845
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: So this is where these models already are. And I

846
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: think ethical one, yeah, and this is the ethical one exactly.

847
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: And so I think people I just see a lot

848
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: of people still with their heads in the sand because

849
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 2: they'll see stupid stuff like you know, like my situation

850
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: with chat GPT, and they're like, this stuff is this

851
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: is nonsense, Like this is a parlor trick. This is

852
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 2: not going to transform anything. That's not a risk to anyone.

853
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: I wish that was true already. You know, Claud Code

854
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: and Claud Cowork. You can see the way they're upending markets,

855
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 2: destroying software companies. Like to imagine that this isn't going

856
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 2: to have a significant disruptive effect in one way or another.

857
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: I think it's just utterly delusional at this point and

858
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: not a sustainable view.

859
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 4: Well, let's hear Dario himself, Dario Muddy on that. Let's

860
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 4: here's a ten.

861
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 9: About some of the things that are more like in

862
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 9: the you know, in the kind of public awareness and

863
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 9: the actions of wider society. You know, it is surprising

864
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 9: to me that we are, you know, in my view,

865
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 9: so close to these models reaching the level of human intelligence,

866
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 9: and yet there doesn't seem to be a wider recognition

867
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 9: in society of what's about to happen. It's as if

868
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 9: this tsunami is coming at us, and you know, it's

869
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 9: so close we can see it on the horizon, and

870
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 9: yet people are coming up with these explanations, Oh, it's

871
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 9: not actually a tsunami, it's you know that that you know,

872
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 9: that's just a trick of the light, like it's some

873
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 9: you know. And I think along with that, there hasn't

874
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 9: been a public awareness of the risks, and you know,

875
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 9: therefore governments haven't acted to address the risk. There's even

876
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 9: an ideology that, you know, we should just try to

877
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 9: accelerate as fast as possible, which, you know, I understand

878
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 9: the benefits of the technology.

879
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 3: I wrote Machines of Loving Grace, but I.

880
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 9: Think there hasn't been an appropriate realization of the risks

881
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,479
Speaker 9: of the technology, and there certainly hasn't been action.

882
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 3: So I would say that the.

883
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 9: Technical work on controlling the eye systems has gone maybe

884
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 9: a little better than I expected, and kind of the

885
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 9: societal awareness has gone maybe a little worse.

886
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 10: Than I expected. So I'm about where I was a

887
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 10: few years ago. Yeah, okay, well, and you put up

888
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 10: the next almis. This is the one I mentioned earlier

889
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 10: a eleven. This is from yesterday. Anthropic Ditch is its

890
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 10: core safety promise in the middle of an AI redline

891
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 10: fight with the Pentagon. So there we go.

892
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: Great not great. And Dario recently wrote an essay, very

893
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 2: long essay I recommend people read it, laying out his

894
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: concerns in more specificity, and he makes I think an

895
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: insightful point, which is, look, you're always going to have

896
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: technical experts in the world who, if they so desired,

897
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: could unleash, like, you know, some sort of biological or

898
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: chemical warfare, and you're always going to have separate and

899
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: apart from that, you're always going to have people who

900
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: are malevolent or extremist actors who would desire to unleash

901
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: that sort of pain, death and chaos. But it's pretty

902
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 2: rare to find people who are are both expert enough

903
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 2: and either malevolent enough or extreme enough, or radicalized enough

904
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: or crazy enough or whatever. And in fact, the two

905
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: things tend not to go together because it usually is

906
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: like unstable misanthropic losers, you know, school shooter types who

907
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 2: want to do this sort of stuff, who are unlikely

908
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: to be skilled enough to actually pull it off. And

909
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 2: what you have with these ais now is the ability

910
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: to turn anyone into you don't need to be an

911
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: expert anymore. You can you can vibe warfare, you know

912
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: you can. You can just if you can jail break

913
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: one of these things, which is, you know, if the

914
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: claud one can be done, then you can imagine the

915
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: Xai one or whatever other model that's even that's less

916
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 2: responsible than Claude being even more easily jail broken. They're

917
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 2: all pushing ahead without having these safeguards in place. The

918
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 2: politicians are actively encouraging this off to the race's mentality,

919
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: and so now you don't need to have in a

920
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: singular person that level of malevolence and expertise in order

921
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 2: to have some sort of you know, horror perpetrated. So

922
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: that's that's kind of already the landscape that we live in,

923
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 2: and you know, it's it's deeply, deeply disturbing. And with this,

924
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 2: with this government in charge, I have zero hope that

925
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: there's going to be any sort of significant, meaningful reform.

926
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 2: And so I think that's where the data center fights

927
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: come in, where at least if you can slow things

928
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 2: to you know, grind the gears a little bit. We've

929
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: got to slow this timeline down so that there's at

930
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: least a chance for democracy to catch up. So there's

931
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: at least a chance to have this debate in the

932
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight elections, because I have no doubt that

933
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: the public is horrified, you know, to the extent that

934
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 2: they're aware of everything that's going on. They're horrified by

935
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: what is going on here from a variety of levels,

936
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 2: from the resource usage to the you know, job loss,

937
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: to the more existential concerns. But if we don't even

938
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 2: have a chance to weigh in, you know, before this

939
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: thing takes off to to agr to super intelligence, then

940
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, when we're pretty hosed.

941
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 4: Yes, And when the right talks about school shootings, for instance,

942
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 4: they will say, look, we don't it's not a problem

943
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 4: with guns. The guns are not the problem. The problem

944
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 4: is mental health. We have a mental health crisis in

945
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 4: this country, and that is why people lash out. Okay,

946
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 4: you thought school shootings were bad, give those if you

947
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 4: do believe that we have this mental health crisis that

948
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 4: is leading people to want to commit mass, horrific violence

949
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 4: on the way towards suicide. How is that going to

950
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 4: unfold if we have given them the ability to do

951
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 4: cataclysmic levels of damage on their way out?

952
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, dark, very dark.

953
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton heads to Capitol Hill today to give a

954
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 4: position behind hind closed doors. Let's roll through some Epstein

955
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 4: updates for you today. First of all, unearthed audio from

956
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,959
Speaker 4: the from the radio program Howard Stern many years ago

957
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 4: is making the rounds again in the context of these

958
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 4: files that the DOJ appears to have withheld that relate

959
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 4: to char an accusation against President Trump, which we'll get

960
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 4: to in a moment. We'll also talking about Bill Gates,

961
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 4: who has now admitted to a couple of affairs with

962
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 4: some Russian sex workers and apologize for that. We'll talk

963
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 4: about whether there's some blackmail potential involved there when it

964
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 4: comes to Jeffrey Epstein. But let's roll this Trump clip

965
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 4: that is surging around the internet again. This is B three.

966
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 9: What is the best thing about being Donald Trump right now?

967
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 7: Well, the fact I'm married, okay, and I'm very happily

968
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 7: we met I have a great way, but if I

969
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 7: weren't married, I'd be able to get all of the

970
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 7: girls I want, except for possibly Robin. Do you think

971
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 7: you could now be banging twenty four year olds?

972
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 6: Oh?

973
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 7: Absolutely? Would you do it? I have no problem? Yeah.

974
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: Do you have an age limit or would you?

975
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 5: No?

976
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 7: No, I have no age. I mean I have an agent.

977
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 7: I don't want to be with you. Twelve year olds.

978
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 3: Can I make a prediction for you?

979
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 7: Yes?

980
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: I saw you have one more marriage in you.

981
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 7: Well that's nice. I'm sure Millenia will love to hear.

982
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 4: Okay, so this is a time at Crystal Wilsee he's got.

983
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 2: His lines, Ryan. Yeah, twelve year olds, that's too far.

984
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 4: This is the kind when Mark, the Mark Foley scandal

985
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 4: was going around. I believe this was the two thousand

986
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 4: and six midterms.

987
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 3: Is that right?

988
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 4: This was a Republican congressman who was who was creeping

989
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 4: on interns. Not twelve I don't think twelve year olds,

990
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 4: but maybe maybe it won't.

991
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 2: They're like high school sophomores. I think they are.

992
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 3: Let go on that.

993
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 4: Let have gone pretty low, like the disgusting creature. And

994
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 4: he was forced to resign because the chats came out.

995
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 4: It was like this early internet thing where people realized

996
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 4: that you could catch people in bad behavior because the

997
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 4: Internet was saving what they were doing. So he's that's

998
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 4: his reference to folly there. Even Howard Stern is like,

999
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 4: you're an old man. Twenty four seems a little young

1000
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 4: for you. Trump's absolutely not, but he does draw the

1001
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 4: line at twelve. So yeah, so that's our that's our president.

1002
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 4: I believe this might be the same interview where he

1003
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 4: talked about how the reason he bought Miss teen Universe

1004
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 4: or Miss teen USA, whichever one he purchased, was so

1005
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 4: that he could walk into the locker room while the

1006
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 4: while the young teens were changing and creep on them.

1007
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 4: And his daughter Avonka later was asked about that and

1008
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 4: she said, oh, yeah, that that sounds like that absolutely

1009
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,959
Speaker 4: sounds like something my dad would do. And the teen

1010
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 4: girls also said publicly, yeah, it was creepy and he

1011
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 4: would do that. So it's one of these just in

1012
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 4: your face moments that.

1013
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: Is completely and Lis would be one up on the screen.

1014
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: You've got a bunch about Shout on to Roger Sollenbarger,

1015
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: independent journalists who first unearthed some of these hidden files,

1016
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 2: you've had NPR, New York Times and other outlets now

1017
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 2: who have confirmed it. This latest revelation comes from CNN,

1018
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: where they've built on some of the reporting and identified

1019
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 2: additional missing files. Now, the key ones that people have

1020
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 2: been focused on, to your point, Ryan, are about these

1021
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,439
Speaker 2: allegations from a a woman made them at the TEMP.

1022
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,479
Speaker 2: But she was a girl, a thirteen year old girl,

1023
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 2: when she alleges that she was sexually assaulted by Donald Trump.

1024
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: And this is initially in the files as coming in

1025
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: on the FBI's anonymous tip line, which people kind of

1026
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 2: looked at and like, eah, anyone can just call in

1027
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 2: and make some sort of allegation. But what we have

1028
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 2: now learned is that she was deemed credible enough to

1029
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: have come in for four different interviews, and those interviews

1030
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 2: were not contained in the files that were released. That

1031
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: is a flagrant violation as far as we can tell

1032
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 2: of the of the law here. No specific explanation has

1033
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: been offered as to why they were withheld, and we

1034
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 2: do know that Ghlaine Maxwell was given given access to

1035
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 2: those interviews in context of discovery for her trial. So

1036
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: now you have CNN saying dozens of FBI witness interviews

1037
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: from the investigation of Jeffrey Epstein appear to be missing

1038
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 2: from the massive trove of files released by the Department

1039
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: of Justice last month, according to a CNN review, including

1040
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 2: three interviews related to a woman who accused Trump of

1041
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 2: sexually assaulting her decades ago. An evidence log provided to

1042
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 2: attorneys for Epstein associate Gallaine Maxwell, includes serial numbers for

1043
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 2: about three hundred and twenty five FBI witness interview records,

1044
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 2: but more than ninety of those records, over a quarter

1045
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: of the list, do not appear to be present on

1046
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 2: the DOJ website. Among those missing records are those three

1047
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 2: interviews related to a woman who told agents Epstein had

1048
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: repeatedly abused her starting when she was approximately thirteen, and

1049
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 2: who also accused Trump of sexually assaulted her. So you

1050
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 2: know she was thirteen, she would have made his twelve

1051
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 2: year old cutoff there, Ryan. But in any case, what

1052
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 2: CNN is finding here is it's not only those interviews

1053
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 2: that are missing. There are a lot of other witness

1054
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 2: interviews which have been excluded from the files, and you

1055
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 2: know that is unacceptable. The government has to offer some

1056
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: sort of specific reason, and there's limited exceptions why files

1057
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 2: would be you know, withheld or for reactions. So you know,

1058
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 2: the blatant, brazen nature of this cover up just to

1059
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 2: continues to be exposed.

1060
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so to be fair to Trump here, which

1061
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 4: we always endeavor to do here at breaking points, one

1062
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 4: of these one of these women sued the estate, did

1063
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,439
Speaker 4: not mention Trump when suing the Epstein estate and had

1064
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 4: that suit tossed like it was. And there are a

1065
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,959
Speaker 4: lot of problems that you can cite with people who've

1066
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 4: been able to get a compensation from the from the

1067
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 4: Epstein estate. There are a lot of criticism that you

1068
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 4: know that girls and not girls, but women who were

1069
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 4: adults and were involved in recruiting refashioned themselves as as

1070
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 4: victims and were able to get payoffs from the Epstein

1071
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 4: estate and at the bar was not you know, terribly

1072
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 4: high for you know, proving that you deserved some kind

1073
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 4: of compensation from the Epsteina States. So the fact that

1074
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 4: she was unable to get that from the Epsteina State

1075
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 4: and did not mention Trump, and I believe claims that

1076
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 4: happened in southern California, and there's I don't think there's

1077
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 4: you know, a Mark Epstein is saying that his brother

1078
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 4: never summered or you know what, that wouldn't wouldn't have

1079
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 4: been there. There's there's a lot of and the FBI

1080
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 4: found ultimately found the complaint to be not credible, which

1081
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 4: is probably then why they pulled it. But it's illegal

1082
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 4: to pull it, like you're not, like, that's not what

1083
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 4: the Epstein files are. Consparency Act says that you can't

1084
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 4: just say, well, we don't think that this allegation is credible,

1085
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 4: so we're not going to we're not going to post

1086
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 4: it because it's about the president. No, like that's the

1087
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 4: Act says you have to you have to post it.

1088
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 4: So that so then there's the other one seems to

1089
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 4: be involves mar A Lago and does and that one

1090
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 4: seems to be more credible, So just just putting that

1091
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 4: out there in the interest of tr and the other.

1092
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 2: One being the details there are that she does not

1093
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 2: allege that she was sexually assaulted by Trump, but she

1094
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: alleges that she was, you know, introduced to Trump at

1095
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: a young age and Trump was kind of like leering

1096
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 2: at her, and you know, Epstein said, oh, well, this

1097
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: this is a good one, isn't it. And they sort

1098
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 2: of like laughed, and she was like, what the hell's

1099
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: going on here? So it doesn't you know, again, there's

1100
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: no allegation of wrongdoing by the president outside of knowledge

1101
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 2: of what is going on here and providing some in

1102
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 2: site into you know, just exactly how intimately he was

1103
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 2: involved in the disgusting and depraved and illegal activities of

1104
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein, right.

1105
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 4: And because and we know in the two thousand and

1106
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 4: two was it Vanity fair or maybe New York Magazine

1107
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 4: article about Janny Fair Epstein, there's a quote from Trump

1108
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 4: where he says, you know, he likes him young, he

1109
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 4: loves him young, likes him young.

1110
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like and we be mar A Lago is

1111
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 2: known to have been a key hunting ground actually for

1112
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: Glaine in particular, and that's where Virginia Guffray was working

1113
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 2: at sixteen years old when she was you know, recruited

1114
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 2: and groomed and ends up trafficing by.

1115
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 4: Them, and which according to Trump, not according to Trump,

1116
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 4: but like in fairness Trump that he then got upset

1117
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 4: with them for poaching Virginia away from there. Like so

1118
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 4: there was like anyway just going bet and over backwards

1119
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 4: to be fair to Trump here, but yes, did he know, Yeah,

1120
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 4: he knew and actually in the files, according to the

1121
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 4: what Dade County or what county is Palm Beach is

1122
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 4: at Dade County. The sheriff there said that Trump called

1123
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 4: and so glad you got this guy like he's creep.

1124
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 4: So like you can either you can say A that

1125
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 4: is credit to Trump. B it's full knowledge of what

1126
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 4: he was doing. And he maintained a friendship with the

1127
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 4: guy for about twenty years and then before the early

1128
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 4: eighties to two thousands before having.

1129
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 3: A fall falling out over a real estate transaction.

1130
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so all this is all right, you know

1131
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 2: the story we've been giving in anyway, I think it's

1132
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 2: Palm Beach County, isn't.

1133
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 3: It sounds right?

1134
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll go with that. We've also got a

1135
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 2: couple other end let's put B five up on the

1136
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 2: screen here. Actually, so Larry Summers was all over these files,

1137
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 2: you know, asking Epstein for lady advice and all sorts

1138
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 2: of things. And so he has now been completely forced

1139
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 2: down at Harvard University, and he'd already been forced to

1140
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 2: They finally got amount at Center for American Progress. Crazy

1141
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 2: he was still involved over there, but that's another topic

1142
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 2: for another day. In any case, he'd been forced to

1143
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 2: step down from various leadership positions and board now he's

1144
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 2: been forced out of his professorship entirely over his Epstein pies.

1145
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 2: So we're not getting legal repercussions here in the United States,

1146
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 2: but we are getting a little bit of corporate cancel

1147
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 2: culture repercussions. I was telling Sober it makes me a

1148
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 2: little more sympathetic towards cancel culture, since apparently that's the

1149
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 2: only way that we get any lead accountability here in

1150
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 2: the United States. So I guess we'll take what we

1151
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 2: can get with that and then put before up on

1152
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 2: the screen. This is some new revelations about a governor,

1153
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 2: a Democratic governor of the Virgin Islands, who was exchanging

1154
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 2: providing favors to Jeffrey Epstein leading right up until his

1155
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 2: arrest in twenty nineteen for child sex crimes. So, according

1156
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,479
Speaker 2: to media eight just months before his twenty nineteen arrest,

1157
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein was being helped by US Virgin Islands Governor

1158
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 2: Albert Bryan Junior. And Virgin Islands, of course, are like

1159
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: his island is part of the Virgin Islands, so he

1160
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 2: maintained very close relationships with all of the politicians there

1161
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 2: so he could do whatever he needed to do on

1162
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 2: his quote unquote pedophile island Little Saint James. After in

1163
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 2: this original reporting by the Ways from CNN, after Epstein

1164
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 2: was ordered to stop unauthorized construction on Little Saint James

1165
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 2: and Great Saint James in the US Virgin Islands, the

1166
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 2: serial sex offender went to Brian for help. According to

1167
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 2: the Network, text messages from twenty nineteen reviewed by CNN

1168
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 2: show Brian, a Democrat, telling Epstein he had spoken with

1169
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 2: the territory's top environmental official and asked him to pause

1170
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 2: enforcement until they could discuss the matter. As Epstein complained

1171
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 2: about possible mounting fines and negative press coverage. Brian later

1172
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 2: wrote he had asked the commissioner overseeing the case to

1173
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 2: accuse himself and concede on all previous permit requests. In

1174
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 2: one text message to Epstein, the Democratic governor wrote, we

1175
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 2: got you. In another exchange, after Epstein asked Brian whether

1176
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 2: he could spare fifteen minutes, the governor quickly responded, for you. Absolutely.

1177
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 2: It's not a lovely, lovely story of friendship.

1178
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 3: It's so nice, you know.

1179
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 4: It's about the friends that we make along the way

1180
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 4: it truly is. And so meanwhile, speaking of friends people

1181
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 4: made along the way. But Bill Gates, I can put

1182
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 4: up B two here, you know, has apologized to staff

1183
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 4: and said that okay, yes I did have affairs with

1184
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 4: quote two Russian women, and that Epstein later found out

1185
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 4: about these affairs. Epstein paid for one of the women's education,

1186
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 4: which was you go through the files, He's constantly dangling

1187
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 4: and this is what's you know, another layer of darkness

1188
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 4: on top of it. These women wanted, wanted an education,

1189
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 4: wanted to improve their lot in life, and they saw

1190
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 4: their relationship, you know, with Epstein and his network as

1191
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 4: a way of getting that thing that society makes so

1192
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 4: hard for people, which is just to get ahead, get

1193
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 4: an education, get it, get ahead. These constantly dangling that

1194
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 4: and in front of them and oftentimes not delivering on it.

1195
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 4: In this case, he he did pay for one of

1196
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 4: the women's education. Uh, then he had Bill Gates pay

1197
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 4: him back, which I cannot understand this world of billionaires,

1198
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 4: Like are you serious if I'm if I'm out with

1199
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 4: a friend and like Chick fil A', I'm picking up

1200
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 4: there they're Chick fil a. It's fine, like and or

1201
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 4: the friend be like, you know what I got you

1202
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 4: this time? Like that's what you do for friends. So

1203
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 4: he picks up the Bill Gates's uh mistresses education and

1204
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 4: then invoices him for it, like what is going on?

1205
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 4: Like you're he's a they're both billionaires, can't pick up

1206
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 4: each other's mistresses college bills and just say you get

1207
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 4: the next one, like you.

1208
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 2: Need to see that. The text from the you know,

1209
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 2: like from the Virgin Islands governor, I got you, right.

1210
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 4: I got you, I got I got you. Hey, let

1211
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:57,959
Speaker 4: me let me, let me get that table. No, no,

1212
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 4: I got this one. You get you, you get the

1213
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 4: next one, Like for some reason, this one is like

1214
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 4: what's wrong with these people? So it looks like what

1215
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 4: Epstein really had in mind because I'm I'm kidding, like

1216
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 4: this is not in the top ten of their most

1217
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 4: depraved characteristics, but it's.

1218
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 3: One of them.

1219
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 4: I think what Epstein really wanted is some paper trail

1220
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 4: that he could then hold over Bill Gates at.

1221
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 2: Which you're so much better at understanding the criminal mind.

1222
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 2: So I see you're reporting because.

1223
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 4: He been in this for too long. But he so

1224
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 4: he then does try to implicitly use it against Gates

1225
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 4: as Gates suggests here that like, yeah, and because he's

1226
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 4: got the paper trail, he's got them.

1227
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 2: And apparently so some of what we've gleaned from the

1228
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 2: files is, you know, in the context of like Leon

1229
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 2: Black and what is it Steve Tish, it seems like

1230
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 2: Epstein has these young women in his orbit and you know,

1231
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 2: pays for their you know, their dentistry and dangles a

1232
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 2: modeling career or whatever, and then he like farms them

1233
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 2: out to his rich, depraved quote unquote friends, and so

1234
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 2: they they are trafficked like directly by him. What it

1235
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 2: looks like with Bill Gates is that these women, as

1236
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 2: far as we can tell, did not come directly from

1237
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 2: the Epstein network. But nevertheless Epstein found out about it

1238
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 2: and realize like, oh, this is an angle I can work.

1239
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 2: You know, this is a piece of information that can

1240
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: be useful to me in the future, and you know,

1241
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 2: lo and behold. Years later, when Bill Gates tries to

1242
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 2: is probably under pressure from his wife and tries to

1243
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 2: pull away from his relationship to Epstein, that's when Epstein

1244
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 2: writes this mement to himself of you know, oh, well,

1245
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 2: here's all the things I know about this dude, and

1246
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 2: that he definitely wouldn't want to come out that he

1247
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 2: contracted some sort of STD from one of these Russian

1248
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 2: women and didn't want his wife to find out. So

1249
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 2: it was trying to, you know, use Epstein to procure

1250
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 2: antibiotics to slip surreptitiously to his wife, is what Epstein

1251
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,439
Speaker 2: wrote in the memo to himself anyway. So we haven't

1252
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 2: gotten confirmation specifically from Bill Gates on that particular part,

1253
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,439
Speaker 2: but you know, this would seem to confirm some key

1254
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 2: aspects of what Epstein was memorializing there to himself.

1255
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 4: And what a couple of people who knew Epstein told

1256
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 4: me was that it was very hard to get rid

1257
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 4: of them. And these are not people who had like

1258
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 4: problematic relationships with him, so they were doing some self justification.

1259
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 4: But people who knew knew him and knew his world

1260
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 4: that it wasn't as easy as like he wasn't taking

1261
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 4: the hint. You know what, Jeff, I don't think we're

1262
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 4: going to be buddies anymore. I don't think we're going

1263
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 4: to hang out anymore. It was much more of a

1264
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 4: mafia thing, like oh no, no, no, no, that is

1265
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 4: not that is not how this goes like, no, we

1266
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 4: are still involved. You're not getting rid I mean you

1267
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 4: can see that in the Leon Black emails that the

1268
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 4: New York Times and others reported on that Leon Black

1269
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 4: can't get rid of him and ends up continuing paying

1270
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 4: you know, millions of dollars to them going going forward.

1271
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 4: And so Epstein along the way knows he's going to

1272
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 4: be he's not going to let this person get away.

1273
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 3: And so what do you do along the way.

1274
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 4: You build up enormous amounts of a compromising information so

1275
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 4: you don't even have to use it, although it does

1276
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 4: appear that he used it with Gates, just just them

1277
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,919
Speaker 4: knowing that you have it means that it's it's easier

1278
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 4: than for these men to just continue be like, Okay,

1279
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 4: you know what I can't get out of it's it's

1280
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 4: it's going to it could blow up my entire life

1281
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 4: if if I try too hard to extract myself from

1282
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 4: this relationship that I probably should and that I know

1283
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 4: I should not have gotten in. And then on the

1284
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 4: on the flip side, you're like, I do have a

1285
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 4: lot of fun with him.

1286
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 3: The island's nice and all that.

1287
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 10: The prey things that we do, we do kind of

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Speaker 10: like those things.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and he introduced me to this person and

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Speaker 2: that person. I made this deal with him, you know,

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Speaker 2: and he's helping me with my Nobel Peace Prize aspirations. Apparently,

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Speaker 2: in the context of Bill Gates, that was something that.

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Speaker 4: Which he would be the guy he like knew that

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Speaker 4: he knew the Norwegians and had Yeah, he blew up

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Speaker 4: the entire Norwegian you know, political system.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, if he's going to help you get your.

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Speaker 2: Nobel so incredible. Yeah, and people, you know, some of

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Speaker 2: some of those skeptics will say, like, well, if all

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Speaker 2: these people like knew about this world and you know

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Speaker 2: all this way he was operating, surely one of them

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Speaker 2: would have come forward and blown the whistle. And it's like,

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Speaker 2: when you dig into each of these relationships you understand

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Speaker 2: why no one did because because if you're Bill Gates,

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Speaker 2: you don't want your wife to know that you had

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Speaker 2: these two affairs and that you got an STD and

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Speaker 2: tried to slipper sir reptitious and ibiotics. You're not you know,

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Speaker 2: you're not looking if you're just daily to have the

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Speaker 2: emails revealed where you're saying, hey, I had a great

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Speaker 2: time with snow White and maybe the next is princess

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Speaker 2: I should try on as beauty and the beast. You're

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Speaker 2: not really excited about that stuff coming to light, so

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Speaker 2: it's mutually sure destruction and you keep your mouth shut

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Speaker 2: because that's what's best for you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And and lots of people over the years, whether it's

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Speaker 4: Maria Farmer come cheat the sarn Off or like Tina Brown,

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Speaker 4: like like plenty of people like tried to blow the

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Speaker 4: whistle throughout that's years. And there's there's no mechanism for

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Speaker 4: accountability within elite circle. So if you come out and

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Speaker 4: say like, there's no like calling the police, there's no

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Speaker 4: like I'm going to press charges through this vehicle that

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Speaker 4: we that we have, it would be assumed that you

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Speaker 4: have some you're you're either a gold digger or you

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Speaker 4: had some business deal that went south with Epstein. That

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Speaker 4: isn't our business. So you guys sort this out. There's

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Speaker 4: no way to actually hold people in these elite circles accountable,

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Speaker 4: and so what you and so I've seen a lot

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Speaker 4: of people complaining this is becoming a moral panic, Like.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's say it is.

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Speaker 4: Then then set up a system of accountability for the elites.

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Speaker 4: If you have an elite class that is immune from

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Speaker 4: any accountability, do not complain when the public produces its

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Speaker 4: own mechanisms.

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Speaker 3: Of accountability against them.

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Speaker 4: A saw Grand Platner picking up on making that argument,

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Speaker 4: which is I think exactly the one to take out

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Speaker 4: of this.

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Speaker 3: This class should not exist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's my point about you know that

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Speaker 2: I was kind of jokingly making about cancel culture, which

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Speaker 2: is a form of virgilante justice. Like you don't support

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Speaker 2: mob justice in that way, which you know is definitely

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Speaker 2: not the ideal way to go about things, then you

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Speaker 2: have to support some sort of actual accountability, and not

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Speaker 2: just with regard to the Epstein class, but you know,

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Speaker 2: going back to the Iraq War, lies into the financial

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Speaker 2: crisis and nobody goes to prison, and the just absolute

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Speaker 2: impunity that elite seem to operate with, we just we

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Speaker 2: haven't had that. So you don't be surprised then when

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Speaker 2: people resort to like mob online, cancel culture, and digital

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Speaker 2: vigilante justice, because that's the only chance that they have

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Speaker 2: of seeing any of these people held to account.

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Speaker 4: Democracy or barbarism, no justice, no peace, like these these

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Speaker 4: cliches exist for a reason, and that's right. Some moments,

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Speaker 4: they have more fire behind them than others. Right now,

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Speaker 4: the fire is burning