1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: This episode contains content that may be disturbing to some listeners. 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Please check the show notes for more information. Disgraceland is 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: a production of Double Elvis. The story about Ian Watkins 4 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: from Lost Prophets. It might be the most disturbing story 5 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: that I've come across in all of my music history research. 6 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: It involves the sexual abuse of children and at its core, 7 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: a monstrous abuse of power and fame. But as is 8 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,279 Speaker 1: the case with a lot of great stories, an unlikely 9 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: hero emerges in this one one who authorities ignored in 10 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: favor of protecting their own, one who authorities laughed off 11 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: in order to preserve some hometown pride, and one who 12 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: may have saved countless children from the designs of a monster. 13 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: A monster, Ian Watkins from a band Lost Prophets, who 14 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: made music not particularly interesting music by my ears, and 15 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: certainly not great music, similar in its lack of greatness 16 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: to the music that I played for you at the 17 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: top of this show. That wasn't great music either. That 18 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: was a preset loop for my melotron called Richard Burton's 19 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,839 Speaker 1: Monster Mash MK two. I played you that loop because 20 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: I can't afford the rights to we are never ever 21 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: getting back together, And why would I play you that 22 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: specific slice of pre Travis Cheese? Could I afford it? 23 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: Because that was the number one song in America on 24 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: September twenty one, twenty twelve, and that was the day 25 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: that Ian Watkins was arrested, an event that revealed to 26 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: everyone the depths of this rock stars depravity depraved behavior 27 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: so dark and so extreme that to this day it's 28 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: still hard to understand Ian Watkins's life is a rock 29 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: star wound up with him doing time in one of 30 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: the world's most notorious prisons, a place that housed serial killers, 31 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: a place that suited Ian Watkins because it was a 32 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: place that they called the Monster Mansion. On this episode 33 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: Depravity Abuse, the Monster Mansion, an unlikely hero and a 34 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: new metal monster, Ian Watkins from Lost Prophets. I'm Jake 35 00:02:27,680 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: Brennan and this is disgrace Land. It's hard to know 36 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,119 Speaker 1: what Ian Watkins, singer of the Welsh new metal band 37 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: Lost Prophets, knew or understood about the effects of giving 38 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 1: cocaine to an infant baby. There was, and understandably is, 39 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: little information to be found on the subject. You can 40 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: find plenty of data about the effects of babies who 41 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 1: were born addicted to cocaine from prenatal use of the 42 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: drug by their mothers. These effects include lower birth rate, 43 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: smaller head circumference, neurological impairment, and congenital heart defects. But, 44 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: like I said, little can be found on what kind 45 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: of effects infants demonstrate when given cocaine after birth, because 46 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: who would do such a thing Only a monster. Ian 47 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: Watkins was this exact type of monster, and he was 48 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: hell bent on doing this exact type of atrocious thing. 49 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: The question of whether or not cocaine would cause the 50 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: infant to behave in a way that would enhance the 51 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: sex was what Ian was determined to find out that 52 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: he needed to know, and to find out he needed 53 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: a baby. Finding a baby would not be a problem, 54 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: not for Ian Watkins, because for Ian Watkins there were women, 55 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: lots of women, fans of lost prophets, many of them 56 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: young mothers who would do anything for the black clad 57 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: front man with the shock of angular email bangs that 58 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: they all soooned over, and for some this meant agreeing 59 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: to give up their children for unspeakable acts of depravity. 60 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: These women agreed to do so in the letters that 61 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: they wrote to Ian Watkins in their emails and in 62 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: their DMS discussions with one woman in particular, detailed the 63 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: various ways in which she and the front man were 64 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: going to sexually abuse her ten month old son. These 65 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: messages are too disturbing to repeat, but just imagine the 66 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: literal worst harm a sexual predator can unleash upon an infant, 67 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: and you'll be in the ballpark. And if you absolutely 68 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: need to know, you can search the text of case 69 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: number sixty two CAA, linked from the show notes page 70 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: on our website. But I wouldn't advise that explaining this 71 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: behavior is nearly impossible, but at least some of it 72 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: can be chalked up to the twisted fascination that some 73 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: women had with Ian Watkins, who was a bonafide rock 74 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: star and during the early and mid odds, Lost Prophets 75 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: won a slew of UK music awards, including Best Band 76 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: from Kerrang and Best Metal Act from NME. The band 77 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: had four top ten albums on the UK album charts, 78 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: and it crossed over onto the alternative American charts with 79 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: their two thousand and four hit Last Trained Home. By 80 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: twenty eleven, Lost Profits had sold nearly four million albums 81 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: and Ian Watkins's vocals, stage presence and dark and mysterious 82 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: persona were big reasons why. Picture big chunky, corn like 83 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: metal rips and high energy UK punk paste energy and 84 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: emo vocals sung and screamed by a front man with 85 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: looks that many women considered handsome, dressed in low slung 86 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: girl jeans, white belt, in tight black T shirt and 87 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: an even tighter skull choker clinched around his neck. That 88 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: was Ian Watkins that was lost profits at the moment 89 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: sometime around two thousand and eight, that dude Ian Watkins 90 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: wasn't on stage. Instead, he was in a dark drug 91 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: den of his own making, littered with the paraphernalia needed 92 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: to ingest the wide array of drugs Watkins indulged in 93 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: on a regular basis. The spoon and syringe for the 94 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: heroine that he not only injected into himself, but injected 95 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: into lovers as a manifestation of his sexual aggression. For 96 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: the cocaine, there were the bendles and the dirty dollar 97 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: bills strewn about to snort the stimulant which fueled the 98 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: singer's craving to push his sexual boundaries. And there was 99 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: the puki, the bubble oil burner, whatever you wanted to 100 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: call it. It was used to smoke crystal mess. And 101 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: then there were the grimy cups with their insides poked 102 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: with hardened crystals from mostly dissolved GHB, the drug that 103 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: Walkins used to fuel his near constant quest for euphoria. 104 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: All of it defined how Ian Walkins spent his days 105 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: in between gigs, high or chasing a high that would 106 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: supercharge his depraved sexual fantasies. At the moment, he had 107 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: a month's long plan to use cocaine to ply an 108 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: infant sexually so that he could Okay, so this is 109 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: uncharted territory for me as a storyteller. I'm not sure 110 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: how to spell out in the style of this podcast. Anyways, 111 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: the depths of Ian Watkins's crimes. So you're gonna have 112 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: to bear with me on the telling of this tale 113 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: as I proceed with caution. The truth of this particularly 114 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: disturbing part of the story, which is crucial to understanding 115 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: what Ian Watkins did and how he was eventually brought 116 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: to justice, is that, incredibly, the Lost Profits singer was 117 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: putting together a plan to rape an infant, and he 118 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: was going to use cocaine for reasons that I still 119 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: don't fully understand to help him do this, and the 120 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: cocaine wasn't just for him again, it was for the 121 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: infant to infants, actually two babies that belonged to two 122 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: different women, both fans of the Lost Profits singer, both 123 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: complicit in this crime. As for the more normal fans 124 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: of Lost Profits, in their defense, aside from a couple 125 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: shady interviews with the band in which Ian Watkins coyly 126 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: alludes to a darker side, there was little in the 127 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: band's history, both on and off record, that would point 128 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,599 Speaker 1: to this type of behavior from the band's frontman. So 129 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: we can't point fingers at Ian Walkins's bandmates, and most don't. 130 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: Members of Lost Profits have gone on to continue their 131 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: careers in the music industry. One bass player, Stuart Richardson, 132 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: toured with Thursday last year, and Elon Rubin, who for 133 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: Lost Profits at one point, now plays in the Foo Fighters. 134 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: On stage, Lost Profits promoted a concept Ian called Megalles 135 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: lolls as in all the laugh out louds. It was 136 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: as stupid as it sounds, but yes, it took off. 137 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: By twenty ten, the Megalles catchphrase was synonymous with the 138 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: band itself. It meant I gathered to take nothing seriously, 139 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: a sort of millennial manifestation of new metal indifference, drug sex, 140 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: rock and roll and not giving a fuck. Lost Profits 141 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: performed in front of a giant Megalles banner at their 142 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: main stage appearances at the Retting and Leeds festivals in 143 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: twenty ten. They emblazoned T shirts with the catchphrase and 144 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: hawked them to their fans and giggle the phrase out 145 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: of their shit eating grins and interviews with the rock press. 146 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: The goal of Lost Profits was to obtain fame by 147 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 1: not giving a fuck, and the goal of their singer, 148 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: Ian Watkins, was to use that fame to con unspeakable 149 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: acts of sexual abuse against miners and again. Two women, 150 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: two fans, were working with Ian Watkins, the rock star, 151 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: to devise a plan to use cocaine to help him 152 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: rape their infant children. I use the word rock star 153 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: intentionally because Ian Watkins knew that without his rock star status, 154 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: none of the depravity he hoped to achieve would be possible. 155 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: The identities of the two women who conspire tired with 156 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: Ian Watkins are still unknown. Their identities are kept secret, 157 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: primarily to protect the anonymity of their children. Who are 158 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: the victims here? These two mothers, essentially groupies of Ian Watkins, 159 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: are known only as B in p B as in 160 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: Brianna and P as in Phoebe, which is what we're 161 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: going to call them for the purposes of this episode, 162 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: Brianna and Phoebe. Before Brianna and Phoebe and the planned 163 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: sexual abuse of their babies, there were other girls, other groupies, 164 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: other victims, sixteen year olds, one whom the courts called 165 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: t T and another was kJ. T T was just sixteen, 166 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: a vergin. Ian Watkins dressed her up in a schoolgirl uniform. 167 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: Court documents detailed the video he made of himself degrading 168 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: TT after taking her virginity with extreme acts of sexual violence. 169 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: As for kJ, the court docs are not any less graphic. 170 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: kJ All sixteen was plied sexually by Ian Watkins with cocaine. 171 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: As with TT, the act was captured on video. Degrading 172 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: children sexually was a pattern that Ian Watkins evidently established 173 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: back in two thousand and eight. But back to Brianna 174 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: and Phoebe. Ian Watkins met Brianna in twenty eleven, and 175 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: I have to jump ahead here in the story to 176 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: clear something up as this story progresses, you will hear 177 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: how the monster, Ian Watkins was eventually caught, charged, convicted, 178 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: and served justice. Now there is no mystery to how 179 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: this story ends, but it needs to be said now 180 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: that Ian Watkins was officially convicted of conspiring to sexually 181 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: assault children. However, the video detailed in the official court 182 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: documents proves that Ian Watkins absolutely, one hundred percent did 183 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: indeed sexually assault children, including a baby Brianna's baby boy, 184 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: who she brought to the ky West Hotel in London 185 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: on April second, twenty twelve and presented to Ian Watkins 186 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: for the purposes of sex. The horrific abuse that followed 187 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: was discovered on video. As for Phoebe, court documents reveal 188 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: text messages with Phoebe pledging hers and her baby daughter's 189 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: lives to Ian Watkins. After Watkins texted Phoebe, if you 190 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: belong to me, so does your baby. Phoebe responded with understandable. 191 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: A mother daughter slave duo worshiping you. Watkins replied with 192 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: that's all she'll know, a life of filth. The text 193 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: thread then devolves into the rock star and the groupie 194 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: discussing the merits of fallatio with infants, using drugs to 195 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: ease the sexual friction with infants and forcing them into 196 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: acts of best reality. The evidence incredibly extends beyond conspiring 197 00:13:55,040 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: to actual photographic images and Skype video of Phoebe abusing 198 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: her daughter for the pleasure of Ian Watkins. The events 199 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: I just described took place in twenty twelve, but back 200 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, Ian Walkins girlfriend at the time, 201 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: Joanne Magelix, discovered that the rock star she was dating 202 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: was sick in a way that was beyond belief. The 203 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: saga with Joanne started back in two thousand and six 204 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: with the DM you Up. Not only was Joanne up, 205 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: Joanne was down. She was infatuated with Ian Watkins from 206 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: Lost Prophets, so being on the receiving end of a 207 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: direct message from him was just about the most thrilling 208 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: thing that could have happened to the twenty nine year 209 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: old from Doncaster in South Yorkshire back in two thousand 210 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: and six, and Joanne quickly fell for Ian. A relationship began, 211 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: but it wasn't long before her new famous rock star 212 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: boyfriends depravity became clear to her. Sometime around two thousand 213 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: and eight, Ian Walkins told Joanna Maagelix that he was 214 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: going to rape a base be of an obsessed fan, 215 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: saying that his fans would allow him to do this, 216 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: that they would quote do anything for him. It was 217 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: in December of two thousand and eight when Joanne went 218 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: to police in South Wales and reported her famous boyfriend, 219 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: but she didn't leave him and nothing happened. In April 220 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, Joanne went back to South Wales 221 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: authorities to inquire about the investigation. She was told by 222 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: police that any investigation into the local frontman Ian Wontkins 223 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: for sexual assault upon children had been dropped. By twenty ten, 224 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: Ian Watkins had shown Joanne abhorrent videos of children and 225 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: animals being abused sexually. It is believed that it was 226 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: sometime in and around these events when Joanne left Ian 227 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: but maintained some contact in order to gather evidence against him. 228 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: It was Joanne's contention that if Welsh authorities weren't going 229 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: to do anything about the monster fronting lost profits, then 230 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: she would have to do it on her own. In 231 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: twenty eleven, Joanne emailed the Association of Chief Police Officers 232 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: to allege that Watkins was raping a child and Joanne 233 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: also contends that in twenty eleven, she kept up efforts 234 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: to gather evidence from me and Watkins, playing the part 235 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: of the co conspirator with him. In one text to 236 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: Watkins from that year, she wrote, part of me feels 237 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: you get off on showing me stuff you can get 238 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: away with, knowing that is what I've wanted since forever. 239 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: Joanne signed off on another message to Union child Molesters 240 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: till we die again. Joanne Magulix contends that this behavior 241 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: was done in some sort of undercover effort to bring 242 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: forth more evidence against Ian Watkins. It should be noted 243 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: again that prior to these texts, Joanne had already gone 244 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: to the police numerous times and was essentially ignored. Police 245 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: later claimed their indifference towards Joanne's allegations was due to 246 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: the fact that Joanne once made money as a sex worker. 247 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: Police believed that Joanne was a spurn lover and that 248 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: her allegations against the local rock star were fabricated because 249 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: he had upset her. One officer said to Joanne, he 250 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: must really have upset you. But Joanne wouldn't be denied. 251 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: She pressed on. She filmed herself opening images on her 252 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: laptop that Ian Watkins had sent to her graphic images 253 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: of a girl under sixteen being abused, and she brought 254 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: those to the police. Still, incredibly, the police did nothing. 255 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: They claimed the girl in the video was of age. 256 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: How the hell would they know? Why didn't the authorities 257 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: at least investigate the video further to confirm the age 258 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: of the girl in the video. Joanne didn't know the 259 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: answer to that, so she took it a step further. 260 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: In the fall of twenty twelve, Joanne Magelix got wind 261 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: of Ian Watkins's plan with one of the mothers. He 262 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: was conspiring with, either Brianna or Phoebe, and this time 263 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: Joanne called a different set of authorities, Child Services, to 264 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: understand the wall the joym Majelicks repeatedly ran into with 265 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: their efforts to bring attention to Ian Watkins's crimes. You 266 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: have to understand what Ian Watkins's band Lost Profits meant 267 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: to the city of Cardiff into South Wales. Lost Prophets 268 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: were hometown heroes. They were a band on the rise 269 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: and there was no ceiling in sight. They sold millions 270 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: of records and their faces were all over the television 271 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: in the UK videos, interviews, festival appearances and seemingly NonStop 272 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: appearances at music awards shows. Lost Profits were an immense 273 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: source of pride for their hometown. Aside from superfurry animals 274 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: or Budgy. Bands of Consequence didn't really come out of 275 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: South Wales, and unless you were part of a super 276 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: niche subset of nineties britpop, you didn't really care about 277 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: superfurry animals, And unless you were in Metallica or obsessed 278 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: with obscure European metal from the seventies, you had no 279 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: idea who Budgy was. But he totally should check out 280 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: the song Guts from their nineteen seventy one self titled 281 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: full length because it absolutely grews. But I digress. The 282 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: point is that Lost Profits, aside from actress Catherine Zeta Jones, 283 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: were the biggest thing to come out of South Wales 284 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: since Elizabeth Taylor's fifth and sixth husband Richard Burton, and 285 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: the authorities weren't especially interested in women making claims of 286 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: sexual abuse against their frontman until the evidence of Ian 287 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: Watkins's drug use became too obvious to ignore and authorities 288 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: were forced to raid his home on September twenty first, 289 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: twenty twelve. Ian Watkins's home in Pontyprid, South Wales, was raided. 290 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: It should be noted that police were acting not solely 291 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: on information, if at all, from Joanne Magleick's. Instead, they're 292 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: acting on a drug warrant. Nonetheless, when they found Ian 293 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: Watkins's laptop inside of his home, the intelligence officers who 294 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: eventually cracked into it did so by typing in the 295 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: password I kids, We'll be right back after this. We're we're, We're. 296 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: The contents of Ian Watkins's laptop confirmed Joanne Maglik's worst fears. 297 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: What authorities found was jarring and beyond belief, twenty seven 298 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: terabytes of data, including the most severe and extreme acts 299 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 1: of sexual abuse, babies and dogs being defiled, young children, fans, 300 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: a fourteen year old being sexually abused by Ian, split 301 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: screen footage of Ian and Phoebe molesting her infant child, 302 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: with Ian referring to them both as his slave duo. 303 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: By the end of twenty twelve, the singer of Lost 304 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: Prophets was arrested behind bars in Cardiff, Wales, an awaiting 305 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: trial on charges of conspiracy to engage in sexual activity 306 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: with a one year old, in possession and or distribution 307 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: of indecent images of children in extreme animal pornography. In 308 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: early twenty thirteen, incredibly, Joanne Majlis was also arrested as 309 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: the investigation into Ian Watkins expanded. With the news of 310 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: their frontman's arrest, Lost Profits issued a statement expressing that 311 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: no one in the band had any clue what Ian 312 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: Watkins was up to and that all were in a 313 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: state of shock over the revelation. Later that year, authorities 314 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: continued their investigation into Joanne, believing that the one time 315 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: girlfriend of Ian Watkins was guilty of similar crimes, when 316 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: in reality it was Joanne who had been trying to 317 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: get the police to investigate walkins. By July of twenty thirteen, 318 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: a trial date was set for Ian Watkins, but there 319 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: would be no time. Ian Watkins pleaded guilty to attempted 320 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: rape and sexual assault of a child under thirteen, but 321 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: not to rain. Authorities accepted the plea, incredibly, ignoring the 322 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: video evidence that literally showed Ian Watkins raping children again 323 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: a one year old. For his plea, Ian Waltkins received 324 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: a lighter sentence and in twenty thirteen was sent away 325 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: for a twenty nine year prison term with parole eligibility. 326 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: After eighteen years. In the year twenty thirty one, Brianna 327 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: and Phoebe were sentenced to fourteen and seventeen years, and 328 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 1: by my count, one of them will be released next year. 329 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty seven. With Ian Watkins behind bars, authorities 330 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: then turned their attention fully to convicting joe An Maglick's who, incredibly, 331 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: up until a year prior, had been the one person 332 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: working hard to stop Ian Watkins's crimes. Joanne, in January 333 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, was formally charged with four counts of possession 334 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: of indecent images, two counts of distributing an indecent image, 335 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: and one count of encouraging another to distribute an indecent image. 336 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: Just before this, lost Prophets formally announced that they would 337 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: no longer continue as a band. Joyanne Maglix fought for 338 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: her freedom in court. She claimed that she kept any 339 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: illicit sexual imagery in her possession for which she was 340 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: being charged only in an attempt to gather evidence against 341 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: Ian Watkins, again for crimes that authorities at the time 342 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: seemed almost entirely disinterested in. In court, the evidence of 343 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: some pretty damning explicit online conversations between Joanne and Ian 344 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: came up and Joanne claimed she spoke that way to 345 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: play along with Ian in an effort to trap him. 346 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: The jury also heard about Joanne first going to authorities 347 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight. He also heard about Joanne 348 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: inquiring into the investigation again with authorities in two thousand 349 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: and nine, About Joanne writing to the Chief Constable of 350 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: the South Wales Police in twenty eleven, and how the 351 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: Chief Constable didn't offer any help, about the officer claiming 352 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: that the evidence that Joanne was then showing them, the 353 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: evidence that she was now being charged with being in 354 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: possession of, which was a video of Ian Watkins having 355 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: sex with a child, About how when she initially brought 356 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: that video to the police, that the police did nothing 357 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: about it because the police then believed that the girl 358 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: Ian Watkins was having sex with on video was of age. 359 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: But now the police were changing their tune. No, she 360 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: was a child, and you, joe Anne Majelix, had video 361 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: of sex with that child, so now we're trying to 362 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: put you in jail for it. Back then, when we 363 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: could have done something about stopping the man conducting the 364 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: rape on the video, we did nothing, and that man 365 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: was allowed to remain free and continue raping children. But 366 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: now we feel bad about all that, so we're saying 367 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: the exact opposite and trying to put you in prison, 368 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: because well, that's how life works sometimes when you're in 369 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: positions of authority and have to cover your ass. I 370 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: guess so sorry, Joanne. The jury was then told how 371 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: Joanne took the incredible step of dragging one of Ian 372 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: Watkins's accomplices, either be or P, Brianna or Phoebe, down 373 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: to the police headquarters herself and explained to the police 374 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: that she and Ian Watkins again be or P, not Joanna, 375 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: that be or P and Ian were planning on raping 376 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: her baby, and the cops essentially laughed the incident off, 377 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: saying to Joanne that Ian Watkins must have really upset you. 378 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: They could have arrested Joanne on the spot for attempted 379 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: murder because she replied, I'll put a bullet in his 380 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: head to stop him from doing it. After that, things 381 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: spiraled for Joanne. She overdosed numerous times. She even tried 382 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: faking her own death to put herself out of reach 383 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: from Ian Watkins. Still, she would not be denied. The 384 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: court heard about how even after all of this. In 385 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 1: twenty twelve, Joe Maagulis called Child Services to report Ian 386 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: Watkins's crimes. On January fourteenth, twenty fifteen, Joyne Magulix was 387 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: acquitted on all charges. She explained to the press that 388 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: the police were four years too late in their. 389 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: Quote, it's been me against the world, really me protecting 390 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 2: the kids when everyone else called me a liar, a psycho? Yea, 391 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 2: how many kids could have been saved if they'd have 392 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: done their job. I please don't want to believe a 393 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 2: local hero could be doing such terrific things. They've got 394 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 2: to think, Oh, it's a disgruntled ex partner, any excuse? 395 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: Lie after lie after lie. 396 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: And Joyne went on to say I shouldn't be here 397 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: just for doing the police's job that they couldn't be 398 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: ours to do. She was right, and she was free, 399 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: and Ian Watkins was behind bars, and not just in 400 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: any old prison, and a prison that was as violent 401 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: and extreme as the images they found on Ian Watkins's laptop, 402 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: and justice, actual justice, the biblical kind, was about to 403 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: be served. The prison is older than most countries. It's 404 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: been housing Britain's worst of the worst since fifteen ninety four. 405 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: It's officially known as HM Prison, Wakefield, but unofficially everyone 406 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: one calls it the Monster Mansion because well, there's no 407 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: better way to describe its prisoners than with the word monster. 408 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: There was Harold Shipman aka Doctor Death, one of England's 409 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: most prolific serial killers. A disgraced doctor who, it's belief 410 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: murdered between two hundred and two hundred and fifty of 411 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: his patients. Shipman killed his unsuspecting patients, mostly little old ladies, 412 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: with lethal injections of heroin. His motives are still unclear, 413 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,479 Speaker 1: but most believe he killed because the women reminded him 414 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: of his own mother. After being found guilty in the 415 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: year two thousand, he was sentenced to life in prison 416 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: and transferred to the Monster Mansion in two thousand and three. 417 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: Six months later, he killed himself. And there was Ian Huntley, 418 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,239 Speaker 1: one of the UK's most despised killers. He murdered two 419 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: ten year old girls and then tried burning their bodies 420 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: to hide the evidence. The search for the two missing 421 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: girls was national news. Ian's arrest made him infamous. Immediately 422 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: upon arriving at the Monster Mansion to serve his forty 423 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: year sentence, he became a target of other prisoners, prisoners 424 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: who couldn't truck with a criminal, a famous one, especially 425 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: who abused young kids. They grabbed Ian Huntley in the 426 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: hospital wing of the prison, held him down, and doused 427 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: him with scalding hot, boiling water. You could hear a 428 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: quick blast of burning, curdling flesh. Huntley was badly injured, 429 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: but he survived. He also survived another attack afterward, this 430 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: one a quick slash to the neck with a shive 431 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: made out of a razor and a toothbrush. Huntley's attacker 432 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: was a man named Damien Folks, a prisoner who had 433 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: already killed another child murderer in a separate prison attack. 434 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: Ian Huntley survived that attack too, but eventually his number 435 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: came due in the Monster Mansion. On February twenty six, 436 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,239 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, while at work in the recycling wing 437 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: of the prison, Ian Huntley felt his brain bashing in 438 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: from the blunt force trauma of a three foot spiked 439 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: metal pole being swung violently from behind by fellow inmate 440 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: Anthony Russell. He bashed and bashed and bashed away at 441 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: Ian Humley's skull until he and Humtley were surrounded by blood. 442 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: When he was done, he screamed out, I've done it. 443 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: His exclamation met with a round of cheers from the 444 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: other inmates. Then there was Robert Maudsley aka Hannibal the Cannibal, 445 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: England's very own Hannibal Lecter. Maudsley is falsely said to 446 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: have eaten the brains of his victims, thus the Hannibal 447 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: Lecter comparison, but this is untrue. All Maudsley did was 448 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: bludgeon one of his victims to death and left his 449 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: body with a spoon sticking out of his crushed skull. 450 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: He did this after being sentenced to the Monster Mansion 451 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: to a fellow prisoner and for his crime and for 452 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: the explosive violence that this prisoner was known for. Robert 453 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: Maudsley was placed in solitary confinement in a cell made 454 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: of plexiglass that looks eerily similar to the one Anthony 455 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: Hopkins's character in Silence of the Lambs occupies. But that's 456 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: where the similarities between Robert Maudsley and Hannibal Lecter end. 457 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: Maudsley killed four men on the outside for different reasons 458 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: than the actual Hannibal the Cannibal killed. Maudsley did it 459 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: out of a sense of vengeance. The men he was 460 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: convicted of murdering were pedophiles, and the too many murdered 461 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: in prison, including the one he left with a spoon 462 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: sticking out of his skull, were convicted child abusers. Robert 463 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: Maudsley remains locked up in the Monster Mansion in solitary 464 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: confinement for fear of what he'll do to his fellow prisoners, 465 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: particularly the child molesters. The Monster Mansion has another nickname, 466 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: Peto Palace due to the maximum security prison's high concentration 467 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: of sex offenders. Nearly two thirds of its population are 468 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: there for sex crimes. The prisoners who aren't sex offenders 469 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: are keenly aware of the prisoners who are, and most 470 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: are hell bent on executing violent vengeance, especially in the 471 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,959 Speaker 1: past few years. Since twenty twenty five, there has been 472 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: a seventy two percent rise in violence at the Monster Mansion. 473 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: As in most prisons, there is a hierarchy. At the 474 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: Monster Mansion. Pedophiles are considered the scum of the earth, 475 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: the lowest of the low. Many of the convicted sex 476 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: offenders are held in what are called vulnerable prison units 477 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: for their own protection, separated from the rest of the 478 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: criminal population. It is believed that if held in standard 479 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: wings with other prisoners that within time they'll be murdered. 480 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: This is where Ian Watkins was held. However, even though 481 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: he was housed in a vulnerable prison unit, mixing with 482 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: the other prisoners from the general population was inevitable. Ian 483 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: Watkins needed to use the phone. The other prisoners sneered, 484 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: but there was little they could do. The guards were 485 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: on them, eyes like hawks at the phone bank. Most 486 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: of the other prisoners knew Ian Watkins's game. He had 487 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: women calling him regularly, and not just any women, not angry, 488 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: aggrieved xys and girlfriends looking for answers on how to 489 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: make it on the outside. Now, Ian Watkins was an 490 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: ex rock star. He had groupies calling him and blowing 491 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: him up in his ear, promising him all kinds of 492 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: pleasures orally satiating him sexually, and the other prisoners hated 493 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: him for it. They also hated him for what he 494 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: did to those kids. Babies, they said, babies. The women 495 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: on the other end of the phone listened as Ian 496 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: explained that he didn't understand what the big deal was 497 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: this whole thing with the child abuse, that it was 498 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: all just megaloles, something to laugh about Ian Watkins's fellow 499 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: prisoners weren't laughing, not when they learned that Watkins had 500 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: amassed a tranche of love letters in his cell from 501 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: women on the outside, still eager to connect with the 502 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: disgraced front man. They also learned that Watkins had somehow 503 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: gotten his hands on a cell phone and was in 504 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: regular contact with many of these women on the outside. 505 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: This was the action that they wanted in on, or 506 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: so Ian Watkins claimed. When the guards found his phone 507 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: buried in his asshole after a search, Watkins claimed his 508 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: fellow inmates were forcing him to connect them with his groupies. 509 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: This was never proven, but it was one more mark 510 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: against Ian Watkins, the dead man walking. Ian Watkins, not 511 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 1: only because of his crimes, but because of the attention 512 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: from the women on the outside, because of the way 513 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: he carried himself, because of his unrepentant attitude, was despised 514 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:02,240 Speaker 1: as a prisoner. Prisoners, actually those of means like Ian Watkins, 515 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: will often pay for protection on the inside. In Watkins's case, 516 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: the prisoners who could protect him the violent street gangsters, 517 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: the organized crime members, the drug kingpins. They hated Ian 518 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: Walkins so much that they just took his money and 519 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,280 Speaker 1: refused to protect him. And what was he, the wormy 520 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: little ex rock star, going to do about it? He 521 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: was tormented daily. Every interaction with a fellow inmate was 522 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: caused for some sort of verbal abuse. It was only 523 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: a matter of time, they said, and that time came. 524 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three. Ian Watkins lay alone on his 525 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: cot and his cell. Three men entered slowly. Ian Watkins 526 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: wasn't going anywhere they wanted it. All money, Ian was 527 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: rich drugs, Ian was still using women. Ian had a 528 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: lion on groupies. But Ian Watkins, in reality, had none 529 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,280 Speaker 1: of those things. And the men beat him sense listen 530 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: took a toilet brush they'd shaved down into a point 531 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: and stabbed him in the side. They didn't stop there, 532 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,280 Speaker 1: and the beating continued, fists, feet, screams. Then the prison 533 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: siren guards and riot gear shooting stun grenades into the 534 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: cell to break up the beating. Ian Watkins was alive, 535 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: barely treated for his wounds, and quickly released back into 536 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: the pedal wing, but he wouldn't be safe for long. 537 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 1: October eleventh, twenty twenty five. They called it the Monster Mansion, 538 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: but for Ian Watkins, they may as well have dubbed 539 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: it Fear City, because the fear was now all he knew, 540 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: and there was no more fame and no more money, 541 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: and there weren't even any more women to connect with. 542 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: It was just one second after the other, one second 543 00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: after the other of constant fear. When was the next 544 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: attack coming? And from where? Who it came from? Did nothing? 545 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: And there it was justice the final attack. Ian Watkins, 546 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: singer of Lost Prophets, the convicted pedophile, lay dead on 547 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: the floor of the Monster Mansion, stabbed to death in 548 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: a surprise attack by two fellow monsters. Mega lolls, Mega disgrace. 549 00:37:45,200 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: I'm Jake Brennan, and this this Disgrace Land. All right, guys, 550 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: thanks for hanging out for this episode of Disgraceland. This 551 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 1: is a tough one, this Ian Walkins story. And the 552 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: question of the week for this week is does this 553 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: story about Ian Waltkins and all the deprevity? 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