1 00:00:09,919 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: If you're listening to a ten or foot TV podcast. 2 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 2: Or girls, what's up Crook County fans, it's been a while, Frankly, 3 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: I missed you. I just got back from Crime Con 4 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: and it was such a great experience to meet fans 5 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: face to face. I've never really done anything like that before. 6 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,679 Speaker 2: It really actually may be quite emotional. You know, you 7 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: build this stuff and you create these stories, these podcasts 8 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 2: in a box by yourself for the most part, and. 9 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: Then they go out into the world. 10 00:00:45,839 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 2: Then, yeah, you get comments, and I've wanted people to 11 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: send me voicemails, and that's cool. 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: Been really great listening to those. 13 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: But to in person talk to people face to face 14 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: about a story that has meant so much to them 15 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: and that story just happens to be my story. 16 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: It's a very surreal experience. 17 00:01:06,199 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 2: And I'm extremely grateful for those interactions and to meet 18 00:01:10,479 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: so many people and to talk about it and to 19 00:01:13,479 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 2: connect with them and to relate with them with their 20 00:01:17,359 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 2: own issues and their own struggles that they're trying to overcome, 21 00:01:22,479 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 2: and to hear that, you know, my story can help 22 00:01:25,479 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: them in some way very powerful stuff. So, yeah, it's 23 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 2: been it's been a really interesting week. And I'm just 24 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,199 Speaker 2: very humbled and grateful. And it reminded me about those 25 00:01:36,359 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: voicemails that I told you guys to said during the season, 26 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: and I hadn't listened to them in a long time, 27 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,359 Speaker 2: and so when I got home, I opened them up 28 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: and I said, you know what, I'm going to answer these. 29 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: I need to answer these. It's about damn time. So yeah, 30 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: let's get into it. This is Crook County Voicemails. 31 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 3: Here we go. 32 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, you got a lot of fucking questions. 33 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,719 Speaker 5: Fuck yeah, let's fucking go. 34 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,799 Speaker 6: When I heard your podcast in the radio, like number 35 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 6: one podcast, Mafia Guy, whatever, firefighter, but it's a fucking. 36 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 1: Banger, a fucking banger, no fucking joke. Yeah, well that's 37 00:02:28,679 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: a good way to start this, I guess. 38 00:02:30,679 --> 00:02:30,879 Speaker 7: Yeah. 39 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 2: I don't know if there was a question in there, buddy, 40 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: but you sound like you're a fun guy, sound like 41 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 2: you're having a good time. 42 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I appreciate that you listen to this, 43 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,159 Speaker 1: and I appreciate that you liked it. I'll just leave 44 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: it at that, all right, Let's uh, let's try the 45 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: next one. This one is from David from Indiana. What 46 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: do we got? Good morning, Kyle. 47 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 8: This is Dave Heckel, morning producer for JED in the 48 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 8: region on AM twelve thirty w j olb out of Ham, Indiana. 49 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,279 Speaker 8: We do a morning show and our on air personality, 50 00:03:12,359 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 8: Jim did Low and I had both listened to your 51 00:03:15,359 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 8: podcast and we're very intrigued and would like to discuss 52 00:03:19,079 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 8: it with you on air if possible, and if you're interested, 53 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 8: we'd like to sit down and chat with you on air. 54 00:03:24,959 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 8: If it sounds like something you're interested in, give me 55 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 8: a call and we'll get something. Schedule something that's conducive 56 00:03:30,519 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 8: to your schedule. 57 00:03:31,359 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: We'll work around it. Oh yeah, I remember this one. 58 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: I opened this one up when they sent it like 59 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,879 Speaker 2: eight months ago and I responded. So apparently they didn't 60 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: want to interview me that bad because I heard nothing back. 61 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: So David with the morning show in Indiana, Sorry, buddy, 62 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: you missed the boat. All right, who's next? 63 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: Kayla? 64 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 9: Hi, my name is Kayla. 65 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 10: I just finished listening to the second episode. 66 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,559 Speaker 9: Man, it's really hard to hear this stuff. I come 67 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 9: from a family of first respect as well. All four 68 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 9: were officers and putting my step parents and I have 69 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 9: a brother who died of a heroin overdose, and just 70 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 9: we have a lot of you know, rough drug use 71 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 9: in the family, and then like that juxtaposition of first 72 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 9: responders and you know, addicts, and and. 73 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 7: I'm just so sorry for your brother and what he 74 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 7: went through and just all the things that I witnessed 75 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 7: in my own life of you know, the violence and 76 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 7: the chaos that comes with people who can't stop using 77 00:04:44,840 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 7: drugs and inflict it all over their families. 78 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 10: And those of us that love them and just want 79 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 10: them to be better. And I'm just so sorry to 80 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 10: you guys, because it really is just like a very 81 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 10: special situation. And I don't mean specially in a good way, 82 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 10: but once you've. 83 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 9: Been through it, you're really the only one who can 84 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 9: understand it. So anyway, this podcast is incredible. 85 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 7: I'm going to be listening further, and I just I 86 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 7: just my heart goes out to you guys, and I'm 87 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 7: just so sorry that this is what you guys have 88 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 7: had to go through. 89 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow, Hey, Kayla, thank you so much for 90 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: calling in and for just being so open and honest. 91 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: I could feel your pain. I could feel, you know, 92 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: the trauma that you've been through with your own experiences 93 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 2: with drug abuse. And you know family that just refuses to, 94 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: I don't know, live a productive life, a cohesive family life. 95 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of selfishness that goes with 96 00:05:55,280 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: drug addiction. There's a lot of pain and emotional stunted 97 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: behaviors that come with it, and everyone is affected. It's 98 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: not just a single person. It's not just the addict 99 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: to is suffering. It's the whole family. It's not a 100 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: victimless crime. And it's just so hard to deal with it. 101 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: What do you do? 102 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 2: Do you drain your finances and your emotional capital trying 103 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: to help this person or people over and over again. 104 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 2: When do you stop? Should you stop? You know, like, 105 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: at what point do you say enough is enough? At 106 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: what point do you say, I won't let you drag 107 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: me down with you? At what point do you say 108 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 2: that's it, I'm done. 109 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. 110 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: I don't have the answers to those questions, and I 111 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 2: don't think anybody really does. It's a really tough situation, 112 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: and I guess my only advice is to remember that 113 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: this isn't your fault. You had nothing to do with 114 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: these people choosing a life that is counter to yours, 115 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: that is at odds with yours that is destructive to yours. 116 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: You shouldn't feel guilt, You shouldn't feel like you are 117 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 2: responsible to fix these people. They have made these choices 118 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 2: themselves at the end of the day. Yes, of course 119 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: they are external factors, but they have made these choices themselves, 120 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: and it's completely up to them at the end of 121 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: the day whether or not they're going to remedy their issue, 122 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: whether they're going to try and get help, whether they're 123 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: going to try to clean up, whether they're going to 124 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: try to redeem themselves. In your eyes, you can't put 125 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: that pressure and responsibility on yourself. If you have your 126 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: own family, kids, a significant other, just focus on them, 127 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: focus on being the person that you wish these other 128 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: people would be for you. 129 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: I wish you the best, Kala, I really do. Thank 130 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: you so much for sharing with me. 131 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 11: Hey, I had a quick question. I don't know if 132 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 11: your dad ever mentioned this, but my father off and 133 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 11: on had mentioned different ways that the outfit had done 134 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 11: some different embuzzling and little money laundering through business at all, 135 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 11: so I wanted to see if your father had ever 136 00:08:56,199 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 11: mentioned how the object laundered money. 137 00:09:00,839 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: Really interesting question. I mean, of course, the outfit had 138 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 2: strangleholds over dozens and if not hundreds of legitimate businesses 139 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: across the Chicagoland area, running money through them, running drugs, 140 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: or utilizing them in some way that could help push 141 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: their agendas and assist in the running of their operation. 142 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: But you know, my dad, as we know, he had 143 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: his sort of little niches that he was in charge of, 144 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 2: the whorehouse being one of them. Now he was around, 145 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 2: he did a lot of stuff. He saw a lot 146 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: of things. I just don't think he can speak on 147 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 2: a high level about exactly the kind of intricacies that 148 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: are going on other than just simple observations. But I 149 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 2: do remember a conversation during the interviews where he started 150 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: to kind of dabble into a couple examples, and I 151 00:09:53,959 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 2: just didn't really find, I guess a place in the 152 00:09:56,439 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 2: show to put it, so I didn't put it anywhere. 153 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: But you've reminded me of this, So why don't we 154 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 2: just hear from the man himself? 155 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 12: Here's ken anyway, I did anything and everything in the outfit. 156 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 12: I did muscle work, I repossessed furniture for a company 157 00:10:20,319 --> 00:10:24,359 Speaker 12: called Swingles, who was directly involved in the outfits. I 158 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,119 Speaker 12: don't know if anybody out there knows that, but they 159 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 12: were Swingles furniture rental to delivering paper checks from Chicago 160 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 12: to Wall Street in New York a couple of banks 161 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 12: that were involved and taking the hard paper check time 162 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 12: stamping them for interest. 163 00:10:53,439 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 3: But back then you did everything by hand. 164 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 13: You actually took the checks on an airplane in a 165 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 13: big bag, would a gun, got picked up at either 166 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 13: La Guardia or Kennedy and Drew, and you would take 167 00:11:06,319 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 13: a helicopter to a bank on Wall Street. I just 168 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 13: remember flying around the Statue of Liberty with my two 169 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 13: big bags paper checks that no one was allowed to 170 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 13: touch except me, and delivering it to a bank. So 171 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 13: I believe back then the interest from the time the 172 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 13: check was deposited at the particular establishment or personal to 173 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 13: the time it got to that particular company, central bank 174 00:11:40,439 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 13: or somebody central I don't know a bank on Wall Street, 175 00:11:45,839 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 13: money was made. 176 00:11:46,959 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 3: Interest was made on every one of those checks. 177 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 14: And there was thousands of them, thousands and thousands of them. 178 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 14: And I don't know if the outfit got all the 179 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 14: money for that already got a piece of it. 180 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 3: I'm not sure, but I know my. 181 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 13: Job was to protect that money from Chicago to Wall 182 00:12:09,439 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 13: Street Boom. 183 00:12:13,079 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 2: It's been a while since I've heard that. I kind 184 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: of forgot the details of it, but yet Swingles Furniture. 185 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: How funny is that. 186 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: I just did like a business search, and it looks 187 00:12:21,439 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 2: like this thing went out of business a long time ago. 188 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 2: There may have been a version of it that ended 189 00:12:26,599 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: up in Florida. I don't know if it's connected in 190 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,599 Speaker 2: any way, but that is also out of business. 191 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: A furniture store, furniture rental. 192 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 3: You know. 193 00:12:37,079 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 2: Just how innocent and random is that. I think it's 194 00:12:39,839 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: actually a perfect example of the kind of influence the 195 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: outfit had on everyday regular folk who were just trying 196 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 2: to make a living, and they use them to their advantage. 197 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:53,599 Speaker 1: And then the helicopter stuff. 198 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: I mean, geez, that sounds like something straight out of 199 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 2: a movie. I know everything is electronic these days, but 200 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 2: with the checks, I mean, I know carried interest is 201 00:13:02,199 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 2: a real thing. So yeah, I mean, someone much smarter 202 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 2: than me should answer this question and dig into it. 203 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Who's next. 204 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:18,119 Speaker 15: My name is Kyle Murray, and I grew up in 205 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 15: the Takla household for probably four years. Corey and I 206 00:13:25,719 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 15: were we met through a mutual friend and him and 207 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 15: I hit it off, and so myself, him and Frankie. 208 00:13:38,839 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 15: You know, we were in separa bowl for you know, 209 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 15: a few years, and it was nice there. It was 210 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 15: I loved going there. You know, Hollie I would see 211 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 15: quite a bit, you know, she was always home, but 212 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 15: I didn't see Ken until morning time and he would 213 00:14:01,719 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 15: come down to the basement, you know, after we were 214 00:14:04,959 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 15: down there whatever, smoking weed, playing music, being you know, 215 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 15: stupid fucking kids. But he he never scared me. He 216 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 15: came off as a person that you don't want to 217 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 15: fuck with, but he was never mean. He was never 218 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 15: an asshole. He was just like, hey, if you guys 219 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 15: are fucking doing this and fucking do it right, And 220 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,999 Speaker 15: I appreciate that about him. And to find out, you know, 221 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 15: what he was doing while we're smoking weed in his 222 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 15: basement is pretty fucking crazy. 223 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 2: Kyle, what's up, buddy? Oh man, I haven't heard from 224 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 2: that guy in a long time. There were so many people, 225 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: so many friends over at the house growing up. It 226 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 2: was we kind of did have the house like it 227 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,239 Speaker 2: was the spot to hang out where everyone would come 228 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 2: and so many sleepovers, just huge gatherings of people. We 229 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: had a little pool, above ground pool. It just felt 230 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: like we were a clubhouse. It felt like people. The 231 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 2: kids felt comfortable at our place, and man, so many 232 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: incredible memories. My brother's friends, we were three years apart, 233 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: so by the time we got into high school, we 234 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: were all kind of hanging out together and it was 235 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 2: a really great time. And yeah, I've talked to quite 236 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: a few of the old crew and very similar you know, 237 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,999 Speaker 2: take as you man is like, what the hell are 238 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 2: you talking about? Like, how is that even possible? We 239 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 2: never could have guessed that in million years kind of thing. 240 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean he fooled everybody, right, he really did. 241 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,239 Speaker 2: And to his credit, you know, he really created him 242 00:15:55,280 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 2: and my mom really created a welcoming, friendly, fun environment 243 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: to grow up in. And I'll never forget those times, 244 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 2: and I'll always remember them fondly and be grateful for 245 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: those times, for the good times. 246 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: While they were there. Great to hear from you, Kyle. 247 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for calling me. 248 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 5: Hey, Kyle, I just wanted to share my message. Hearing 249 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 5: your father's story makes me think of my own. I 250 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 5: grew up in a rough, a rough neighborhood, and purely 251 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 5: for survival, I joined a gain, and I did a 252 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 5: lot of stuff. I'm not proud of a lot of 253 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 5: stuff I've never told nobody. 254 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: I am married. 255 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 5: My wife only knows extremely surface level stuff. She knows 256 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 5: not depressed. I know not to overshare, and it's not 257 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 5: something I'm ever going to tell my kids because it's 258 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 5: not something they ever need to know. You know, my 259 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 5: story was all about survival. I did what I had 260 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 5: to do to survive. It was either I joined again 261 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 5: and did what I did, or I could have been 262 00:17:14,879 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 5: dead by twenty no problem. I couldn't, you know. And 263 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 5: that sounds silly, you know, in hindsight, is I put 264 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 5: myself in more danger to survive, But it was really 265 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 5: my only option, my only option out of the situation 266 00:17:30,159 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 5: I was in. So thanks for sharing your dad's story, 267 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 5: and thanks for sharing your view of it. Makes me 268 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 5: think of how my kids might react if they ever 269 00:17:41,399 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 5: found out they wouldn't. 270 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: Ay Stan, Thanks for sharing. 271 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 3: Man. 272 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, throughout this process, I've had quite a 273 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 2: few people reach out to be kind of. 274 00:17:54,399 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: Similar ish stories. 275 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 2: You know, they had their own you know, CD past, 276 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: I guess you could say, and you know they're they've 277 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 2: straightened out in their family people now and they're just 278 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: to live a decent life and move on, and I 279 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 2: think that's great. 280 00:18:13,639 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: I'm glad that you found your way. 281 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 7: You know. 282 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 2: Look, I mean, obviously everyone knows my story because I 283 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 2: put it out there into the world, and I don't 284 00:18:24,159 --> 00:18:27,239 Speaker 2: think I ever would have known anything if my dad 285 00:18:27,399 --> 00:18:32,479 Speaker 2: hadn't basically been on the edge of death from heroin 286 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 2: and alcohol addiction and reached out to me in total 287 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:40,479 Speaker 2: desperation asking for my help. I think that if he 288 00:18:41,639 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: didn't have that addiction, that crutch, I think he probably 289 00:18:46,639 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 2: would have taken this to his grave and none of 290 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 2: us ever would have known. So, you know, I'm just 291 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 2: trying to put myself in your shoes, and also in 292 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 2: your kid's shoes, your wife. You know, just because you've 293 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 2: had a life that you don't want to share it 294 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 2: doesn't mean you need to share it with them. Everyone 295 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 2: reacts to things differently. If my dad was a normal 296 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 2: guy and lived a normal life and we had a 297 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,719 Speaker 2: normal relationship and I never knew about this stuff, that 298 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 2: would be great. 299 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: I would prefer that. 300 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,999 Speaker 2: I would much prefer to have a loving, normal, healthy 301 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: relationship with with my dad. And you know that that 302 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 2: goes from my mom too. You know, the whole family 303 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 2: would be completely different if this went a different way. 304 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 2: And so if you have a great relationship with your 305 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 2: kids and your wife and you feel like telling them 306 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 2: this stuff would blow the whole thing up, then don't 307 00:19:42,159 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 2: do it. 308 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 3: Man. 309 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: If you feel like. 310 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 2: You need to tell them and it's destroying you and 311 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 2: you're going to do something stupid, or you're you're doing 312 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 2: drugs to deal with it, maybe then I don't know, 313 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 2: maybe you consider it. I don't have the answer here, 314 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 2: but but I am happy that you it seems somewhat 315 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 2: come to peace with your past and our moo forward 316 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 2: in a healthy way. That's bravo. Good on you, Bud. 317 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 2: All right, we got a question from Mike. 318 00:20:16,639 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 16: Dude, where is your Monday episode? I've already quit other 319 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,719 Speaker 16: podcasts because they don't come out weekly, and sometimes they 320 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 16: don't come out at all period, But I respect you 321 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 16: so far. Monday's every day awesome. Hey, carry I'm a man, 322 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 16: but we're looking for today's see you. 323 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: Hey, Mike, I'm glad you like the show. This is 324 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: a little late. 325 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: I probably should have answered this question a long time ago, 326 00:20:41,879 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 2: but the show comes out on Tuesdays every Tuesday. So 327 00:20:48,639 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 2: the reason you're not seeing them on that Monday. It's 328 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 2: because it comes out on Tuesday. 329 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: I hope that helps. Who's next. 330 00:21:03,639 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 6: Hello listener from Wisconsin. 331 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 3: Right on the border Illinois. 332 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: I just wanted to say that. 333 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 6: Your your story has really touched me, and your father's 334 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 6: struggle with drug addiction is one that I also share 335 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 6: and I think it's it's amazing what you did for 336 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 6: him and the progress he's made and that he's opening 337 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 6: up to you. 338 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 3: It's a beautiful thing. And uh, I just want to. 339 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 6: State to all the other addicts out there that you 340 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 6: can get help. There is someone out there to help you. 341 00:21:49,879 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 6: Everyone around you who loves you wants to help, and 342 00:21:53,639 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 6: just you've got a lot of men and and I 343 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 6: think you're doing You're doing a great thing here, so 344 00:22:02,399 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 6: just keep it up and stays over uh bit, Thank 345 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 6: you for everything you're doing. 346 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 2: Hey man, appreciate that. Yeah, this kind of pairs up 347 00:22:16,879 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 2: with what I was saying earlier. It's completely up to 348 00:22:20,879 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 2: the person and having support helps absolutely. 349 00:22:25,159 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 3: You know. 350 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 2: It seems like this guy had a loving family that 351 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 2: really cared for him and helped him get through a 352 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: really tough time. And it seems like, well, at least 353 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: I hope that he's doing okay now and he's he's 354 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: gotten through the worst of it, and if so, I'm 355 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: happy for you. 356 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: And if not, you know, it's a journey. 357 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 2: And I think anyone who's dealing with with this intimately 358 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: knows that there's just huge ups and downs, and sometimes 359 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: it feels like you've got it all figured out, and 360 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 2: sometimes it feels like the whole damn thing is just 361 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 2: falling apart again, and that's frustrating. 362 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: That's hard. It's hard to deal with it. 363 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 2: It is a lifelong journey, and you know, it helps 364 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 2: if it helps when there's love. 365 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: It helps when there's love in the home. 366 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: Sometimes it starts out with love and patience, and then 367 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 2: just through all the trials and tribulations and heartbreaks, that 368 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 2: love can go away, and that's when it gets really, 369 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 2: really hard. 370 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: Again. 371 00:23:29,879 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 2: I don't have an answer for that, but if you 372 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 2: are struggling, or if you do have a family member 373 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: that's struggling, just to your best. Sobriety is a journey 374 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 2: best taken together. 375 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 3: Bill. 376 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: What's up, hey, Kyle, Just wondering about your dad. 377 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 17: If your dad was a firefighter and he got injured 378 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,719 Speaker 17: on the job, why did he not get disability or 379 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 17: what we call three quarter pay, because by the sounds 380 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,479 Speaker 17: of it like he's struggling. And I mean, if he 381 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 17: went off on three quarter pay, which is a disability pay, 382 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 17: he should be okay. 383 00:24:06,639 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's a really interesting question. I know that 384 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 2: when he got injured really badly, he was obviously on 385 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: disability because he was not working for a while. But 386 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 2: then he went back and continued working as a firefighter 387 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 2: paramedic for a few more years before he ended up 388 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 2: leaving the department and he became a life insurance agent, 389 00:24:31,159 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 2: like my senior year in high school, and you know, 390 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: for a few more years in college until the drugs 391 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 2: just took over and he lost that too. 392 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not quite sure how to answer that. 393 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,959 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he had some disability and then he 394 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 2: started working again, so I guess it went away. 395 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 18: Aaron, you're out, Hey, Kyle, I am loving the podcast 396 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 18: so far. I went ahead and purchased the early access 397 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 18: to Tenderfoot so that way I could listen to all 398 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 18: of kirk County ahead of time. I am originally from 399 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 18: the suburbs of Chicago, so I can really a lot 400 00:25:08,399 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 18: to this story. My mother is one hundred percent Italian 401 00:25:11,879 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 18: and went to high school and grew up all in Cicero. 402 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 18: Her family all from that side of the town as well. 403 00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 18: My grandfather grew up on Taylor Street, so we always 404 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 18: would hear a lot of stories, you know, just some 405 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 18: friends and Shenanigans. I guess that he would get into. 406 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 18: Definitely nothing as violent or as crazy as what I'm 407 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 18: hearing in the podcast, but yeah, I just felt like, 408 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 18: in a small little way, your podcast was a little 409 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 18: bit relatable to my family. Anyways, and I'm again, I'm 410 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 18: really enjoying the podcast. I just heard that you went 411 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 18: to SIU Go su Luki's. Yeah, thanks, looking forward to 412 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 18: finishing it. 413 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: Hey Aaron, Yeah I did. 414 00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 2: I went to Southern Illinois University to study film and 415 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 2: dropped out my senior year. But yeah, we were broke 416 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,719 Speaker 2: at that time, completely broke, and my I guess we 417 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 2: just couldn't pay for anymore semester. So I just left 418 00:26:15,159 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 2: in the middle of my senior year and moved to Atlanta, 419 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: and that's where I met my wife and started my career. 420 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 2: And you know, it's just been head down and moving 421 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: forward since. But but yeah, you know, there's there's a 422 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 2: lot of people out there. You know, Chicago is an 423 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 2: outfit town. There's a lot of Italians there, there's a 424 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 2: lot of Irish. You know, there's all sorts of gang 425 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 2: related activity going back one hundred years. Chicago. It's it's 426 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,759 Speaker 2: just one of those story towns, you know, and it 427 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 2: feels like, you know, our our grandparents were just living 428 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,959 Speaker 2: through the wild West sometimes, you know. 429 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: But I'm glad you can relate to the show. I'm 430 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: glad you like it. 431 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 2: And you also bring up another good point, which is 432 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 2: Tenderfoot Plus, which is three ninety nine a month, and 433 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: you get to listen to all these incredible shows that 434 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 2: Tenderfoot puts out ad free. By the way, one of 435 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: the biggest complaints I've had from people on Crook County 436 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,999 Speaker 2: is that there's a ton of ads, and they're not wrong. 437 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 2: There's a shit ton of commercials. I don't know why 438 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 2: there's more on mine than others. I have no control 439 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,759 Speaker 2: over this shit, but yeah, there's quite a few. iHeart 440 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 2: must be doing really well with it, so I guess 441 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 2: good for them. But you know, look, you guys are 442 00:27:34,399 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: rating my show a one star and just ripping me 443 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: a new one in the comments because of fucking commercials. 444 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: Will you grow up? There's a fast forward button, Just 445 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: click it a couple times and move on. Will you 446 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: My God? Who's next? 447 00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 4: Hey, Kyle, My name's Thomas Kennedy's live in West Texas. 448 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 4: I'm a cotton farmer during the long summers. I spend 449 00:27:58,399 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 4: a lot of time on the tractor and always looking 450 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 4: for interesting podcasts and really enjoyed yours. Question I have 451 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 4: that I never really understood was when your dad from 452 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,719 Speaker 4: the time he started getting bed into the drugs to 453 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:20,239 Speaker 4: getting clean, it sounded like his jobs with the mafia 454 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,959 Speaker 4: or the outfit kind of disappeared, and it seemed like 455 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 4: he could never actually get away from that. So was 456 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 4: there a specific time he was able to just cut 457 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 4: ties with them, or did he go to rehab and 458 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 4: they just all kind of disappeared, or do you know 459 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 4: exactly what happened? 460 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: Thanks, keep up the good work. 461 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 2: That is a great question. First, let me say thank 462 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 2: you for listening. I'm so glad you found this show. 463 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 2: I bet it's a really interesting kind of contrast to 464 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 2: be riding around on a tractor in a cotton field 465 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 2: in Texas listening to a mob story from Chicago. 466 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: That's pretty cool man. That's pretty cool. 467 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have a real answer for this, because 468 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 2: there have been all sorts of weird happenings around my father. 469 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 2: Now that I know what I know, and looking back, 470 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 2: there's all sorts of weird stuff. You know, there's gunshot 471 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: wounds that I mentioned in the show. There's you know, 472 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 2: there's other injuries that seem a little fishy, other disappearances 473 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 2: that are short but somewhat unexplained. Then there's one huge 474 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 2: incident that happened about fourteen fifteen years ago before I 475 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:42,239 Speaker 2: brought him out to California to get help, where I 476 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 2: was living in Los Angeles with my wife, and I 477 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 2: got a call from my mom that Ken had fallen. 478 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: It was the winter time and he had fallen while 479 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 2: taking off the trash and his leg was completely broken, 480 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 2: like in half almost and he had crawled from the 481 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 2: curb all the way up into the house screaming saying, 482 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 2: you know, call nine one one, call nine one one. 483 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 2: And he maintained throughout this whole time that he had 484 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: fallen and gotten his you know, slipped on some ice 485 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 2: and his leg was caught under the garbage can and 486 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 2: it just snapped when he fell. I mean, I guess 487 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,959 Speaker 2: that's a reasonable story. He was also doing drugs at 488 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: this time, so maybe he was high. 489 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: We don't know. 490 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 2: But it's just one of those things where you're like, 491 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 2: what really happened? And I had a chance to ask 492 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 2: my dad about that incident, and what he told me 493 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 2: it shocked me. It absolutely shocked me. It just when 494 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 2: I thought I couldn't be shocked anymore. Here's what he said. 495 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 3: I was out of the business completely. I haven't really. 496 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 13: Heard anything or experienced anything, except for one time. I 497 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 13: was taking out the garbage, pushing it to the curb, 498 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 13: and we had those large containers that there was a 499 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 13: handle that are about waste time, maybe a little bit higher, 500 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 13: two wheels on the back, pull them towards you, and 501 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 13: you push them out to the curb. Well it was 502 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,239 Speaker 13: a little slippery, but you know, not that bad. But 503 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 13: that was good for my story. Three guys pulled up. 504 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 13: I didn't recognize them. I don't know how they were, 505 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 13: but man, they were. 506 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 3: Many. They had me targeted. Baby. I had no idea 507 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 3: what the hell was going on, but that I was targeted. 508 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 13: I'm thinking to myself, holy shit, I know these guys 509 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 13: are coming at me and I'm. 510 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 3: Racking my brains here. 511 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,999 Speaker 13: Come to find out they were Nefuser I don't know, 512 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 13: associated with what was left of the Italian, not the Italian, 513 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 13: the Irish mob in Chicago. And it was a payback 514 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 13: and I don't know how the hell they found me, 515 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 13: but it was a payback for something I did. I 516 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 13: think I remember what I did do. But it was 517 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 13: simple and it was fast. It probably lasted fifteen seconds. 518 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 13: They bum rushed me, put my right foot under the container. 519 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 3: And then. 520 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,479 Speaker 13: Left it under there, actually forced it under there with 521 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 13: their feet or feet, and then they pushed me back 522 00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 13: and my tibia phibia snacked. Something was gonna give and 523 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 13: it wasn't the garbage container. It was my tib and 524 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:12,719 Speaker 13: fib and I'll crash those bones right through my skin. 525 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 13: And the snapping sound and the way it echoed back 526 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 13: was more terrifying than the actual fracture. These guys were 527 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 13: going on a heartbeat. I can't even remember what car 528 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 13: they were in. So there I am open fracture right 529 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 13: tip fib. No one home. I am pushing myself on 530 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 13: my ass from the sidewalk all the way up the 531 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 13: driveway into the garage and then pulling myself on my 532 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 13: ass still into the kitchen, but managed to get ahold 533 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 13: of Holly, my wife and in the hospital got everything 534 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 13: all patched up. Now, the reason for this was, I believe, 535 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 13: in a sense the remnants of the Irish mob we 536 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 13: took out morel was part of myself and another guy 537 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 13: took out a relative of one of the Irish heavies. 538 00:34:34,759 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 13: And I thought it was clean. Man, at least I 539 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 13: thought it was clean and they could ever travel us, 540 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 13: you know. But you know, things have a way to 541 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 13: catch up to you sometimes when you at least suspect it. 542 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 13: But I was told as they were leaving payback, which 543 00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 13: meant which made me understand that it was probably an 544 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 13: Irish mob thing. And I knew I wasn't going to 545 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 13: get killed because and that was the payback. They fractured 546 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 13: me up really good, you know what. I'll take their 547 00:35:14,279 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 13: payback anytime over over a murder. 548 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,999 Speaker 1: So what does that mean? Is that real? 549 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 2: Whether people after him all these years later? Was it 550 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 2: an actual gang mafia related incident if it did happen, 551 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 2: is it a drug related incident? Has nothing to do 552 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 2: with the mafia. 553 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think i'll ever know. 554 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 2: I just, man, it's like I don't even want to 555 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 2: think about it anymore, you know what I mean, Like 556 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 2: I don't even want to know if it's true. At 557 00:35:55,759 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 2: a certain point, I'm just like, I'm just kind of 558 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 2: over the whole thing. You know, it's a lot, it's 559 00:36:01,279 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 2: a lot to deal with, and that being such a 560 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 2: recent event, I mean, it's a bit unsettling. Gonna lie, 561 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 2: it's concerning. So yeah, well it's out there now, and 562 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 2: if it's true, God help us all. 563 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 19: Hello. My name is Aaron. I'm a listener from Minnesota. 564 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 19: I just finished all of that, actually listened to all 565 00:36:30,279 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 19: of it and one day while I was at work, 566 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,959 Speaker 19: and it was fantastic. And one thing I just kind 567 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 19: of wanted to mention is that your dad breaking down 568 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 19: when he was talking about playing God just absolutely ripped 569 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 19: my heart out, because I mean, you see, you know, 570 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 19: like these crime bosses and all this stuff, and you know, 571 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 19: like the Sopranos and the Godfather and all that stuff, 572 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,919 Speaker 19: and it's just your dad is the real thing. And 573 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 19: I don't care how awful the people are that you 574 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 19: have a hand in murdering, you don't ever get over that. 575 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: And he's he's. 576 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 19: Just living proof of that, and the fact that despite 577 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 19: being this badass who runs around punching people in the 578 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 19: face all the time and all those stories that you 579 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 19: had about him being so tough, he was a deeply 580 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,879 Speaker 19: broken person by what he experienced. And there's such humanity 581 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 19: in that story and I did not expect that. 582 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: I was deeply moved. 583 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 19: It's stunning and I will be the first one to 584 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 19: watch it on Netflix or wherever it ends up. And 585 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 19: I've been casting this whole thing in my head and 586 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 19: it was like, Jeffrey Dean Morgan needs to play your 587 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 19: dad and I don't know, but I just wanted to 588 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 19: say thank you very much for being brave enough to 589 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 19: share all of that. 590 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 2: Aaron, thanks a lot for those really kind words. Yeah, 591 00:37:54,759 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 2: you know you're not the only one that's picturing this 592 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 2: in their head as a TV show. I'm not gonna 593 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 2: drop any bombshells yet, but let me just say it's 594 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 2: in the works. 595 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 596 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 2: To be continued, all right, last question, Ryan, what you got. 597 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 3: Hey, Kyle, my name is Ryan. 598 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 20: I just want to say that your story is absolutely unbelievable. 599 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,879 Speaker 20: The way you tell it is just amazing. I really 600 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 20: enjoy listening to it and I've listened to the series 601 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 20: a couple of times, so I just can't wait for 602 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 20: you to publish another podcast. But your story is just 603 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 20: unbelievable and I wish you the best. 604 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 2: Hey, Ryan, thanks so much for that. Glad you love 605 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 2: the show. Yeah, they're in the works. I have several 606 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,240 Speaker 2: more seasons of Crook County deep into production right now, 607 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 2: and a couple other non Chicago related stories that are 608 00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 2: just incredible and I am so excited to tell them. 609 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 2: I think you guys are going to love what I 610 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 2: have in store for you, so just be patient. I 611 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 2: know for a fact there'll be one out sometime midnext year. 612 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 2: In the meantime, I would love to do another one 613 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 2: of these, So if you have any questions for me, 614 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 2: go ahead and leave me a voicemail at speakpipe dot 615 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 2: com slash Crook County Podcast. Speakpipe dot com slash Crook 616 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 2: County Podcast. 617 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: Leave me a voicemail. Can't wait to answer him, talk soon. 618 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, you got a lot of fucking questions. 619 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,240 Speaker 13: Fucking what fucking go go? 620 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,359 Speaker 1: I love this guy. 621 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:46,760 Speaker 3: He's the best. 622 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: I don't know who he is, but he's the best.