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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Welcome Together Everything, so don't right? Hello friends, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the Worst Year Ever? Goodbye friends? Yeah wa

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Speaker 1: neutral ship people, I mean, do you want me to

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Speaker 1: read I know that wasn't a good intro? Do you

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Speaker 1: want me to redo it? No? No, we never redo

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Speaker 1: the intros, Katie. We just accept our incompetence and celebrate it.

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Speaker 1: That's another way of saying we yes and each other.

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Speaker 1: The news is pretty news. The news is pretty news.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of um news in the news. The news, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: although technically less news during the time the news is happening.

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Speaker 1: Let's access to the news. Let's access to the news

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Speaker 1: because Facebook just just took a big, old, big old ship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, let's just, uh have a moment of appreciation

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Speaker 1: for face being down. It's very funny. I did, of course,

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Speaker 1: with everybody else, have a moment of may this be permanent,

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Speaker 1: may this be maybe, may this be irrevocable? But here

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Speaker 1: we are. It's been. It was funny. It was funny.

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Speaker 1: What's not funny is uh the large scale impact of uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, the world relying on Facebook and UH and

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Speaker 1: Facebook's acquisition of literally every other social media so that

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Speaker 1: they all went down in place that which greatly affects

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Speaker 1: people in certain areas of the world that rely on

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Speaker 1: these services to communicate. So that part's not funny. But

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Speaker 1: the but the part we were just talking about is funny. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they still in clear like why it happened exactly and

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Speaker 1: what happened. Um, but it's I mean the series of

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Speaker 1: events of it disappearing and then people making jokes and

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Speaker 1: then people doing like, no, it's like, gone, you can't

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Speaker 1: of them trying to get into their building that was

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Speaker 1: very funny. Apparently use a fucking uh angle grinder to

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Speaker 1: get in. That's extremely funny. I gotta yeah, step out

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Speaker 1: of the digital world and uh, you can't even access

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Speaker 1: Facebook emails for the company the entire Yeah, they're using

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Speaker 1: like and stuff. Yeah, it's extremely funny. It's not really

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Speaker 1: a big deal. It's just like people fucked somebody, you know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we know the exact cause, but some

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Speaker 1: somebody fucked up. The timing of it is strange though,

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Speaker 1: So this on the heels and right before that, I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying this in a conspiracy theory sense, but the

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Speaker 1: timing of it is unfortunate, um or fortunate. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you see, here's the thing, because people are talking about

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Speaker 1: like there was just this big TV like interview thing

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Speaker 1: that was you know, showed a bunch of wrong but

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Speaker 1: a bunch of reporting around wrongdoing. Well there's a there's

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Speaker 1: a whistle blowowers and stuff. Speaking to Congress today, I think,

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Speaker 1: can you think of a month when there hasn't been

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Speaker 1: a big Facebook scandal recently? Well, this is really big

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Speaker 1: in terms of her testifying in front of Congress today

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Speaker 1: and I'm providing like a lot of internal research and stuff. Um,

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Speaker 1: you are, you are right, and that every single month

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Speaker 1: someone's like, by the way, Facebook is garbage, you guys,

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Speaker 1: it's a real thing that happened. Yeah, But this is

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Speaker 1: I would say, a case where like she is putting

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Speaker 1: been available in the public that Facebook has has kept

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Speaker 1: I understand why the conspiracy theories are are are being

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Speaker 1: thrown around. Um, it is unfortunate timing. UM. Hopefully the

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Speaker 1: revealing as opposed to the hilarity, the unequivocally hilarious events

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Speaker 1: because there's so many different versions of this, this conspiracy,

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Speaker 1: from like a post from like a week or so ago,

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Speaker 1: So like it makes no sense that like and then

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Speaker 1: a week later Facebook went down. Um, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are suggesting that, like and that leak wasn't really

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Speaker 1: just Facebook is generally very bad and being hacked. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a shitty company that does bad things. Um.

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Speaker 1: so like that doesn't add up. The only like, the

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Speaker 1: oh fucking well, fucking shutdown we're on Facebook so that

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Speaker 1: may never know what happened. Well, we may never know.

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Speaker 1: Ultimately that does not matter so much as some of

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Speaker 1: the things that this UH exposes or brings forth that

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Speaker 1: sure this AOC tweet is good. It's almost as if

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Speaker 1: Facebook's monopolistic mission to either own, copy, or destroy any

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Speaker 1: and democracy. Um. If Facebook's monopolistic behavior was checked back

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Speaker 1: commerce with be fine, right now break them up? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And to me, yeah, and that's the responsive people are like,

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Speaker 1: And no, yeah, I can celebrate Facebook going down, because

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Speaker 1: part of why their situation is desperate is that Facebook

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Speaker 1: So like the fact, I'm not celebrating that some poor

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Speaker 1: ethnic cleansing. I'm celebrating that a bunch of Facebook employees

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Speaker 1: reading that I was like, oh, you skipped one, Oh

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Speaker 1: you skipped one, because we all skipped it as a society.

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Speaker 1: love to. Let's break out with our seeing us say

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Speaker 1: snakes out, Yeah, something like that, Cody, something like that,

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Speaker 1: are snake steaks, yeah, snake out with our breaks out?

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Speaker 1: We really got there together. Everything we're bad. Put your

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Speaker 1: steaks back in, folks, Time for some morees. But that's

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Speaker 1: not the name of this show. It's time for the

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Speaker 1: worst year ever, some even more worst year ever confusing. Well,

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Speaker 1: about the year? Yeah, ever, get a probably get a

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Speaker 1: Star Wars, right, we will get a Star War and

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Speaker 1: um some Culture Wars. Probably maybe we'll get a Fantastic four.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that would be fun, because you know what,

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Speaker 1: what happens. I can't wait even after he dies, because

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Speaker 1: we can like yeah, maybe like there's some reanimation sort

425
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Speaker 1: of thing. Um, will the Western animator, Cody, You remember

426
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: that movie Herbert Wester re Animator Animator. Yeah, pretty good movie.

427
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: That's my real election is watched watch Herbert West Reanimator

428
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: this month. It will do more for you than thinking

429
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: about I don't know anything about that movie, but it's

430
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: it's great. It's a really good movie, very fun. Um

431
00:26:54,040 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: is it about undead presidents? It's about undead stuff. For sure.

432
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: I my best Halloween costume one year, was it a

433
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: freshman or sophomore in college? Me and my best girl

434
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: went as the undead founding Fathers. We just really good.

435
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: Got some white wigs and where George Washington, Thomas Jefferson

436
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: that with zombie makeup. Oh it's news. Well, speaking of

437
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: we don't know how the election will go, or who

438
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: will run, or how the midterms will go, and a

439
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: lot of that depends on what the Democrats do. Maybe

440
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: we talk about our favorite Democrat, Kirsten Cinema, her wonderful

441
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: Kirsten k Then the case in what do we call

442
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: Kristen cinema fans, the Cinnamons, Cinnamons, cinematophiles, cinephiles, cinephiles, pretty

443
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: good cinophiles. That's what. That's all right, We got it,

444
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: locked it down. You know what we're done for the day.

445
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: That's it. By um, she's been doing great, she saying

446
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: like it it's weird, uh watching all of this go

447
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: down and being like, damn, Joe Mangin is better than

448
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: Cirston's cinema. He really he really is wightless, Like yeah,

449
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: because he actually when they accosted him on hit. Well

450
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: not I think it was rad that they act up

451
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: to his boat, but like he did engage with them.

452
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: Like if you actually watched the video, he doesn't come

453
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: across badly in it, like he's well the thing about talking, Yeah,

454
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: he talks to them, and he like engaged, Like I

455
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: agree with that. There's an element of his approach that

456
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: is at least clear. Um, I haven't. I mean I've

457
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: an issue with both of them for many reasons, like

458
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: I have no, No, this is not like praise. It's

459
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: just to say that, like you compare him getting accosted

460
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: on his yacht and how he handled it to Christen

461
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: Cinema in the bathroom. Should clarify before we talk about

462
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: all these things that we're discussing protesters approaching senators and

463
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: confronting them about during their day, during their day out,

464
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: and about in their lives. Um, about their refusal to

465
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: support the Build Back Better bill. Um. Yeah, as a context, Yeah,

466
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: there's uh, they're they're the two holdouts currently um for

467
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: this uh, this series of legislation that is uh supported

468
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: by the President and like most of the party. Um,

469
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: it is it is a compromisire, It's it's a big

470
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: time compromise. But this is like his legislative agenda. This

471
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: is the thing that you want to point to with

472
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: these mid term elections. And it's like bare minimum stuff

473
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases, but it is something and

474
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: the idea of like whittling it down even more, especially

475
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: when those two people try to do that or Democrats

476
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: especially the party agrees. Yeah, and the president was voted

477
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: for under the understand and there's an there, well, there's

478
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: an element of um of mansion and cinema that uh,

479
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: it's it's there's no necessarily like principle beyond like whatever

480
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: it is, but lower um. If this was a one

481
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: point five trillion dollar bill, uh, mansion, would we need

482
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: a trillion? We need to bring it down to a trillion.

483
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: If it was a trillion, he'd want to bring it

484
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: down under a trillion UM. It's arbitrary in a lot

485
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: of these cases. He just wants to say a lower number. UM.

486
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: It's very frustrating to see and like corporate tax rate stuff.

487
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: He his suggestion now uh to bring it down is like, uh,

488
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: he requested a higher number years ago when the proposal

489
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: was higher than that. So it is just a game

490
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: of like that. But lower, just so I can say

491
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: that I'm being reasonable, so I can say that I

492
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: did a thing. He like he's doing all of this

493
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: so that he has like so that he has uh

494
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: something to run on, like he's doing I look at

495
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: the book at the power I X like, yeah, that's

496
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: the only reason he's doing this. Yeah, it's very transparent.

497
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: Uh and uh it's but at the at the very least,

498
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 1: uh he says what it is that he wants from it. Uh.

499
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: In all these uh cinema anti cinema videos, Uh, they're

500
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: very clear like asks and like, UM, like you, what

501
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: do you want to get rid of you want to

502
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: get rid of this? What we're gonna get rid of this? Um,

503
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: if you get rid of this, this will happen to

504
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: me and my family and all all these sort of things.

505
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: And she will not ever say anything concrete. Maybe she

506
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: says it behind closed doors with the president and her donors,

507
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: but she doesn't like make yourself available or explain what

508
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: she's going for beyond getting all of the attention. Um.

509
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: And that's it's like extra frustrating that there's no open

510
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: conversation Arizona. It's also just so cowardly Arizona is of

511
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: course very divided, narrowly went for Biden, and uh yeah,

512
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: it's polarized there and she's making absolutely no choices. Well,

513
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: she's making a choice, yeah, and it's not good for her.

514
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things that's interesting to me

515
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: is like mansion, and I think there's there's people who

516
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: have talked about like his his the money he gets

517
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: from the coal industry. I'm sure he has a financial

518
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: interest that's driving some of this, but I think probably

519
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: the number one reason he's doing what he's doing is

520
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: because it will be good for his um his reelection,

521
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: campus it will make it easier for him to to

522
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: run again and win. I don't think Cinema wants to

523
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: win again. Um, I am not sure. Maybe she's like

524
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's just it's very simple corruption where

525
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: she's going to get herself a nice cushy job after this.

526
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: But like her approval ratings of Tank, this is not

527
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: good for her in any way. Well right, and well,

528
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: it's not good for her in terms of getting real,

529
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: In terms of getting real, like, you know, I don't

530
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: think she cares about that. It's good for her in

531
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: terms of maybe being a pundent on Fox news. Well,

532
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Getting a consultant job at one of

533
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: the firm her campaign lobbying. She will get at least

534
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, she'll have a book out about it all.

535
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: She's gonna like she's getting the attention at attention in

536
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: addition to actual currency is currency. And she's uh, you know,

537
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: breaking the bank with this, um, but not breaking up

538
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: the banks because that would be that would be appalling,

539
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: that'd be something that she'd want to do ten years ago. Um.

540
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: Is amazing to me to think that at one point

541
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: she showed up in black Block in Seattle at a

542
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: fucking I think it was a w U t O protest,

543
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: like not that long ago, years ago, not that long ago,

544
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: like a decade or so ago. There's changed. Christ, she

545
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: made a million dollars, she became the thing that she

546
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: get elected. I think that has an impact. I want

547
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: to share this old quote from two thousand three, Uh

548
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: kirston Cinema. In two thousand three, Joe Lieberman, at the

549
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: time one of the worst Democratic senators, traveled to Arizona

550
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: the campaign for his party's presidential nomination. It was regularly

551
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: greeted by anti war demonstrators. He's ashamed to Democrats, said

552
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: the organizer of a protest outside of Tusson Hotel, a

553
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: left wing social worker named kirston Cinema. Quote, I don't

554
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: even know why he's running. He seems to want to

555
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: get Republicans voting for him. What kind of strategy is that? Um?

556
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: Truly seven years seven years later, you can find video

557
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: of her complaining about people in Congress having healthcare paid

558
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: for by taxpayers. But you don't have healthcare? Do you

559
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 1: have healthcare? No? Um? And uh it's good, A good point,

560
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: kirston Cinema circuit. Again, not that long ago, so it's

561
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: very transparent. What's sort of going on? And uh she

562
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: on universal health care? We don't know, probably not definitely

563
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 1: not in Arizona. Um, I just uh yeah. So so

564
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: in response to this, in this frustration, she hasn't had

565
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: a town hall in years. She is not making herself

566
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: very available to her constituents um or communicating to the

567
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: public her intentions. Um. It's all the sort of backdoor stuff,

568
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: which is very Congress of her. But um, that is

569
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: why you see people you see like, okay, so you've

570
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: got you got hundreds of thousand dollars from pharmaceutical companies

571
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: and then you uh try to not get these prices

572
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: down for pharmaceuticals. Uh. So it's very transparent what's going on.

573
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: It's very clear how you get her ear, how you

574
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: influence her, how you can get her to do things.

575
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: And it's not vote for her, that's not how you

576
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: do it. You gotta give her a hundred thousands of dollars.

577
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: So in that such ways, apparently not meet her in

578
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: the bathroom either. Well, right, so like in that situation,

579
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: what you're gonna see are people who want to have

580
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: her represent them, like voters, um, who don't see that.

581
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: And well, I don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars

582
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: to give to her. So I'm going to follow her

583
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: and ask your questions and then she's gonna go and

584
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: hide in the bathroom. And so I'm gonna go in

585
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: that bathroom and I'm going to keep asking her these

586
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: questions that she will not answer. Um. And it's just

587
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: a very like I I you know, I understand the

588
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: this sort of argument, even like there are other people

589
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: in that video who had nothing to do with Kirson Cinema,

590
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: who didn't want to be involved, didn't want to be

591
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: recorded in a bathroom, Um, in which case I'd say,

592
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: like blur their faces or something. I understand that sort

593
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: of like there's a there's an element of privacy for

594
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: other people this conversation we had, but the crux of

595
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: the conversation about her specifically, UH is UM. It's just

596
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of like uh pearl club and

597
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: moralizing around Yeah, I mean issue people focusing more on

598
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: that than the reason why people are confronting cinema and

599
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: trying to get her attention. UM are losing sight of

600
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: the fact, losing sight purposefully ignoring what's that stake and

601
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: what it means for so many people to pass this

602
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: bill even if it's not what we really want, UM,

603
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: because she doesn't give a ship. But she doesn't give

604
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: a ship, so why should anybody care that she about

605
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: about her being annoyed that they followed her in the bathroom?

606
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: And yes, I also agree that I understand that it

607
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: made the other people in that video uncomfortable that there

608
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: are some privacy conversations. Absolutely, but you know, you shoot

609
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: your shot, doctor. It's the kind of thing that also

610
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 1: then there are these other other videos of people doing

611
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: this sort of similar thing. UM, But like in other locations,

612
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: and it's all being sort of conflated, and now any

613
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: time she is like you know someone uh went up

614
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: to her on a plane uh and then the air

615
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: at the airport and stuff, and like yeah, exactly, um,

616
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: and also pretty calmly, like reasonable stuff. It's not like

617
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: they're not threatening her. They're not like screaming in her

618
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: face there. Uh, you know, sternly asking questions in some

619
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: case softly asking questions. Um. But it's not like they're

620
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: not physically accosting her or anything like that. And so

621
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: you get these other videos and then that is conflated

622
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: and packaged together with like they went to the bathroom,

623
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: that's an invasion of this, And so now it's like, well,

624
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: then what do you want to happen? Um, what do

625
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: you want people to do? I will say there is

626
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: a scenario where if she like, let's say, next time

627
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: she goes into the bathroom, uh, if you wait outside

628
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: and record her. Uh, that's also a pretty good video

629
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: of her going into the bathroom and not coming out

630
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: for an hour. Even she's she's just gonna hide. I

631
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: could see you just waiting. Yeah, just wait, She'll come out.

632
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: A fundamental level, it's the same question that you have.

633
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: You know, this was a lot this happened, didn't start

634
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Speaker 1: last year, but you have a lot with protest where

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Speaker 1: it's like, well, they're blocking the road for this protest

636
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: and that's stopping like normal people from getting to work.

637
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, and that that sucks for them.

638
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Speaker 1: And I I've been in that situation and it is frustrating,

639
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: and you're not wrong to be frustrated. But like they

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Speaker 1: don't know, there's no other option the case of the protests,

641
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: the state has given us no other option. People have

642
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Speaker 1: to disrupt things. In the case of christin Cinema, she

643
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Speaker 1: will not. She's she has provided no other way for

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Speaker 1: people to interface with her, for her her constituents to

645
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: question her right, So what else? What else is there

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00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: to do? Um? And also a lot of these people

647
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: who were like, don't do that this are the same

648
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: people who said getting Mitch McConnell's face three years Um,

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Speaker 1: So pick a lane, I guess um. And also, uh,

650
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: it's kind of thing that like the reaction is just

651
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: gonna be like, well, we should have legislation that makes

652
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: it illegal to to go up to Congress people. Um,

653
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure that won't actually happen, but I do suspect

654
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: somebody will try to draft that up before it will

655
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Speaker 1: happen again. All of this stuff keep going. I'm proud

656
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Speaker 1: of you for all you, all you cinophiles and synophobes

657
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: out there. Oh there's no here beyond saying it's time

658
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Speaker 1: to take a quick break. Ah. You know what, Kristen

659
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: Cinema loves and together everything don't You're back. And it's

660
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: it's worth noting that even Joe Biden was like, well, Kristin,

661
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: that's just what happens in politics, and sometimes you're constituents

662
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: like find you in the world and ask you questions. Um,

663
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: it's so funny when that happened because there's like an

664
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: element like the the original person who like tweeted it

665
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: is like some like right wing weirdo. Uh. And he

666
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: cut off the phrase because like what Biden says, like

667
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: I don't approve of that behavior, but that's what happens.

668
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: That is the process. Uh. And so like you get

669
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: all these people like sharing it like ha, this is

670
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: very hilarious to look at Joe Biden doing this. Then

671
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: you get other people who are like, well, actually said

672
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Speaker 1: he doesn't approve, So like you're misleading, and then you

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00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 1: get other people who like, I can't believe uh just

674
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: the words uh I I don't approve, but are justifying.

675
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: It's okay for him to say this, like like everybody's

676
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: wires are crossed. It's really really funny to watch. It's

677
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: really stupid, and the actual reasonable take is that like yeah,

678
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: like it's his opinion is that they were being rude,

679
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: but he's also accurate when he's staying like, this is

680
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: just what happens. Like if you you don't have any

681
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: right to complain about this sort of thing, it's just politics,

682
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: Like suck it up, Kristen. It's really funny because like

683
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: there is. It's just that there's something about Joe Biden specifically,

684
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: I think, where he's able to do that. Like he's

685
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: been in politics for so long and people have this

686
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: sort of like the weird like just sort of trust

687
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: for him. Uh and like he's just he's so old

688
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: and like done with stuff, and it's like that's what happens,

689
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, come on, come on, man, what are you

690
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: gonna do? It was spoken like a real ground can

691
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: It can be used for evil, for sure, but it

692
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: is funny when he uses it for something like this, Yeah,

693
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: it is. Should we talk about other things? You still

694
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: think to talk about your world? Are things on the planets?

695
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Speaker 1: How about that oil spill in Orange County? Pretty bad?

696
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Speaker 1: What There's been a huge oil spill in Orange County.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a hundred and seventy thousands of

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Speaker 1: Huntington's Beach and the beach there's the governor just declared

699
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Speaker 1: a state of an emergency, state of an emergency state

700
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: of emergency. Um. Um, it's pretty awful. Uh. They've already

701
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: removed three thousand whatever's of oil from the whatever, but

702
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: like I said, a whole lot more. Yeah, it's a

703
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: shipload of oil. It's going to kill a bunch of stuff,

704
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: nine thousand shiploads of oil. Yeah, it's bad. It's it's

705
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: it's another bad interesting um in the context of the

706
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: like the monthly Facebook to vocals um and them knowing

707
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: it's a fucking mess. And then this thing that this

708
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: type of thing that's happened for for decades as well. Um,

709
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm sure it'll be fine, right you know,

710
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Speaker 1: Oh oh, oh oh. I thought I was hoping it

711
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: would be fine. Do you think people will see consequences

712
00:43:55,080 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: for this? I think it's fine. I think everything so dumb, dumb, dumb,

713
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: the dumb. Yeah, it's how could how could one more

714
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: oil spill matter? I'm not trying to be a dick

715
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Speaker 1: about this. How could it possibly matter? Like in in

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00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,959
Speaker 1: a sense of like changing anything? For sure? It's another

717
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: term to obviously it's it's killing the ocean, okay, damage,

718
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: but like, how could it matter? People? An I well, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm pitching one. Okay, Okay. Huntington Beach largely conservative Orange County.

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Speaker 1: This oil spill is going to close their beaches for

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Speaker 1: months and months and months. Yeah, so there is a

722
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: world where this does change some opinions in Huntington's Beach specifically,

723
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Speaker 1: at least for this time period. Is that answer? That's

724
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: something that's that's n beach maybe changing some of their minds. Yeah.

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00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: But also in Oregon, you know, when we had our

726
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 1: historic wildfires last year, before the historic wildfires this year,

727
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: rather than being like, oh boy, maybe climate changes the problem,

728
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: the conservatives set up armed patrols to attack the Antifa

729
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: they thought were lighting forest fires. So I don't know,

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00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Maybe I'm in a bad mood today,

731
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: So I am I'm I'm just not like, Yeah, I

732
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: mean it should like every time something like this happens,

733
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 1: it should be people being like, you know what, let's

734
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: let's arrest a bunch of fossil fuel industry executives and

735
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: take their money and destroy the ability of their companies

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00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: to function because they're they're criminals, um, who are are

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00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: endangering all of our ability to live. But that hasn't

738
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: never happened before? Why start now? Why are we start now?

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00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it would be rad if we did. But yeah,

740
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of answers to

741
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: the y start now question, Yeah, but not a lot

742
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: of not a lot of powerful starters answers. Do we

743
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: have any good news to share? Um? I mean, oh

744
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: so in in Portland, Alan's Whinny, who was the guy

745
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: I famously had a standoff with at a giant street fight.

746
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: Last year, I got convicted on a left and out

747
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: of twelve charges repeatedly assaulting people and threatening them with

748
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: a handgun. Of this lawsuit, I was no, no, this

749
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: was this was these were criminal charges. No. One of

750
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: the articles that I helped write, uh did make it

751
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: I being told did make it into the jury deliberations.

752
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: Um and had an impact. But I can't even really

753
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: take credit for that, because the thing that had an

754
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: impact was Alan Swhenney carried around a go pro and

755
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: filmed himself committing crimes and talking about committing crimes, and

756
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: then he dropped it on the ground and lost it

757
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: and somebody found it stupid. When he went before the

758
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: court charged with again repeatedly on videotape illegally assaulting unarmed

759
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: people with a variety of weapons, one of his excuse

760
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: for cocking, pulling, cocking, and pointing a handgun at a

761
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: crowd of people without guns was that he had already

762
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: shot four thousand paintballs at them and emptied two canisters

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00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: of bear mace, so he had no other weapons. So

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00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: of other weapons. Yeah fo yeah, I'm surprised he um.

765
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: That didn't work? It did? It did not. One of

766
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: his other excuses because he shot someone who was not

767
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: armed or wearing safety gear or in any way threatening

768
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: him in the face, and that person, you know it,

769
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 1: pressed charges. That was one of his assault charges, and

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00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: his his his defense was, well, I didn't mean to

771
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: shoot that guy in the face. I was trying to

772
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: shoot a different guy who was wearing a gas mask

773
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: in the face, and I wanted to shoot him in

774
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: the gas masks that he would take it off and

775
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: I could make him just like he said, like he

776
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: said this to a judge in a chair. He's just

777
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: the stupidest fans. So did he represent himself? No, but

778
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: I don't. I think his lawyer because I got to

779
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: one of the real joys earlier this year was when

780
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 1: we put together the article about his videos of him

781
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: committing crimes and talking about the crimes that he was. Yeah.

782
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: I got to reach out to his lawyer and be like,

783
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: do you have any statements on this? And never got

784
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 1: a response, which what what could he possibly have said?

785
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: I mean that sounds like a lawyer, right, Yeah. I

786
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: think the lawyer may just have been like, you know what, Alan,

787
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: take the stand, like I can do here, go do

788
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: your best. I wash my hands. Yeah, yeah, if you

789
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: if you really want to be up in front of

790
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: the I I think part of it is like it

791
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: was live streamed. I think Alan thought this was going

792
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: to be his like Kyle Rittenhouse, become a conservative like

793
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: hero raise a bunch of money moment. If he got

794
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: up and like talked about what a badass he was

795
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: and his his battle with Antifa's. Um, I really do

796
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: think that was like in his head, like why he

797
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: was saying some of the ship he was saying as

798
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: it was all about kind of being uh like this

799
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: image that he's trying to put of himself as like

800
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: a conservative warrior fighting the communists. Um. It turns out

801
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: that's a bad legal defense. And also it turns out

802
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: that like nobody cared because this has gotten no national

803
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: uh coverage, and it won't because nobody, nobody, None of

804
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: the people that Alan like claims are his comrades give

805
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: a shit about him because he's he's just a stupid

806
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: asshole and they don't care. Great news. It's very funny.

807
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: It's extremely funny. It's very funny. Once again, it's just funny. Yeah,

808
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: it's just really funny. Okay, it's okay, it's okay. You

809
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: don't have to like qualify that you don't like the

810
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: car serile state or whatever. It's just fine that it's like, yeah,

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00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: it's funny. He's he's a stupid asshole who sucked his

812
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: own life up for no reason. Um, because he's an

813
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: idiot and fuck him, dummies, it's a fascist dummy who

814
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: wanted to hurt people and he wound up destroying his

815
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 1: own life because he's an idiot. And that's very funny,

816
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: and it's okay to just be like, yeah, it's pretty

817
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: fucking funny. Well, I feel like that's a great note

818
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: to end things on today. Yeah, I couldn't agree more.

819
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Speaker 1: I couldn't, but I just got a cramp in my legs,

820
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: So now I don't know we should end it. It's fine.

821
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Speaker 1: My leg was just giving its agreement. Yeah, it wants

822
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Speaker 1: to get out of here fast. I have strong feelings

823
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Speaker 1: on legs. Not sure we need them anymore, but that's

824
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Speaker 1: a conversation for another day. It's interesting I would say

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Speaker 1: knees or lessening, didn't didn't mean it at all. What

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Speaker 1: if we were just all knees? Oh oops, all knees.

827
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Speaker 1: That sounds pretty sexy. Alright, guys, you could check us

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Speaker 1: out online. That works your pod and we'll be back

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Speaker 1: next week. Ye then clows your eyes and think of

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