WEBVTT - Take a Zester To That Lemon

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, Armstrong.

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<v Speaker 2>And Getty, and he Armstrong and Yetty.

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<v Speaker 1>President Zelensky Ukraine, including taunts and his request to meet

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<v Speaker 1>with Vladimir Putin, hoping that I guess that that would

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<v Speaker 1>get under his skin and make him want to meet

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<v Speaker 1>face to face. But he wants a face to face meeting.

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<v Speaker 1>That got more on the whole Ukraine Russia war a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit later this hour, plus Hitler loving Maine lobsterman.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess he's not a lobsterman. He's an oysterman.

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<v Speaker 3>Allegedly he's a trust fund brat, rude to women, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>Graham Platner is now done.

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<v Speaker 3>This is an official announcement, an official announcement.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very drunk.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, he's been ahead solidly of Susan Collins, the

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<v Speaker 3>very moderate Republican woman who's the Senator, and so Democrats.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if he was Hitler's.

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<v Speaker 3>Grandson and had vowed in his diaries to carry out

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<v Speaker 3>the old man's work, they'd stick with him if he

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<v Speaker 3>was going to win. But there's a new pull out

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<v Speaker 3>that shows Collins has pulled into a tie with him,

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<v Speaker 3>and so if that tide truly is turned, they will

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<v Speaker 3>abandon him.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know last week's left over.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that argument Democrats have been making, some Democrats about it.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to stop the tide of maga craziness and

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<v Speaker 1>everything like that by eliminating Susan Collins, one of only

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<v Speaker 1>seven senators in US history to a vote to remove

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<v Speaker 1>a president of their own party, right right, a moderate woman. Yes, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how dedicated they are to women's rights. Anyway, they'd

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<v Speaker 1>rather have a guy who's tough on women or mean

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<v Speaker 1>to women or whatever. Anyway, enough of that, I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to move to this story is Mike Tobin. You remember

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<v Speaker 1>the frankis in the church in Minneapolis that's starting to

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<v Speaker 1>during the craziness the immigration.

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<v Speaker 2>Rights with Don Lemon.

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<v Speaker 3>Don Lemon did feature the bitter bitter taste of Don

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<v Speaker 3>Lemon is lingering around this story.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get to that in a moment. This week.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll take a zest to the Don Lemon angle. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>actually like to do that to Don Lemon. But here's

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Tobin.

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<v Speaker 4>The city of Saint Paul, Minnesota will not charge the

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<v Speaker 4>anti ICE protesters who stormed the church last January. That

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<v Speaker 4>happened of the peak of Operation Metro Surge, the enhanced

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<v Speaker 4>immigration enforcement in Minneapolis.

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<v Speaker 2>The demonstrators learned that.

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<v Speaker 4>A pastor with the city's church was affiliated with ICE.

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<v Speaker 5>All these pretend Christians, all these comfortable white people who

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<v Speaker 5>are living lavish, comfortable lives while children are dragged in

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<v Speaker 5>a concentration camp.

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<v Speaker 4>The protests halting Sunday services.

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<v Speaker 3>The safety and the peace and the joy that we

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<v Speaker 3>were feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>In the church in our worship of Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 6>Going out and seeing people who are like spewing hatred

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<v Speaker 6>towards us, it made me feel sad for them.

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<v Speaker 2>God.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the fact that you can use comfortable white people

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<v Speaker 1>as a pejorative, as it so often is, is disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's the voice of revolutionaries. Yeah. So I could

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<v Speaker 2>make a.

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<v Speaker 3>Legal argument that the charges that ought to be brought

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<v Speaker 3>are federal civil rights charges, but the city not bringing

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<v Speaker 3>any charges. Listen to the reasoning in this next chunk

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<v Speaker 3>of the report.

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<v Speaker 4>But the city attorney says protesters didn't break any property

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<v Speaker 4>and there's not enough evidence for a conviction. Irene cow writes,

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<v Speaker 4>the right to peacefully protest is protected, as is the

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<v Speaker 4>right to one's religious beliefs. Reverend Jonathan Parnell responding, According

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<v Speaker 4>to the city attorney's logic, it is perfectly fine for

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<v Speaker 4>agitators to invade a mosque, a cathedral, or a temple,

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<v Speaker 4>shout in people's faces, terrorize their children, and shut down

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<v Speaker 4>their religious gathering.

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<v Speaker 2>Just call it a protest.

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<v Speaker 4>And Parnell question, Minnesota leadership, do.

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<v Speaker 2>You only care about those you agree with?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Reverend Parnell, First of all, two excellent points there.

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<v Speaker 3>The idea that we can, with impunity, get a mob

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<v Speaker 3>together and interrupt the church service of whatever faith and

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<v Speaker 3>frighten the people into leaving and make it impossible to

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<v Speaker 3>conduct that service, and civic leaders just look on and say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't break anything.

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<v Speaker 2>That's disgusting, and obviously you open the door to that.

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<v Speaker 2>You could. You can always come up with something to protest.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like the new raising the price of stamps,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna bust into the mosque and interrupt their praying.

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<v Speaker 3>Right right, Don Lemon still does face federal charges for

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<v Speaker 3>interfering with these douche to exercise their free right. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>in short, yeah, as it's colloquially known.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's not the last one.

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<v Speaker 3>Douche iss so the highest level, oh my god, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever the highest level is, he's guilty of it. A

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<v Speaker 3>completely different topic, although there's a common thread that runs

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<v Speaker 3>through it. We haven't really talked about the case of

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<v Speaker 3>Henry Noak in Britain. It's getting a lot of attention

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<v Speaker 3>in the blogisphere and online and that sort of Thing's

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<v Speaker 3>huge on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Elon Musk is huge on it.

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<v Speaker 3>He tweeted the other day that The New York Times

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<v Speaker 3>has had zero stories on Henry Noak, while they've had

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<v Speaker 3>sixty four hundred on George Floyd.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa sixty four hundred different George Floyd stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, just and both stories are about a death in

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<v Speaker 3>police custody. And indeed, there is no evidence, there has

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<v Speaker 3>never been any evidence that George Floyd's death, unfortunate as

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<v Speaker 3>it was and mostly I believe caused by his drug abuse,

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<v Speaker 3>had anything to do with race whatsoever. There's never been

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<v Speaker 3>any evidence of that. Henry Noak, white young man eighteen

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<v Speaker 3>years old, attacked and stabbed by a couple of seek

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<v Speaker 3>youngsters or young adults. Actually they're all over twenty one

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<v Speaker 3>two of them in Britain, and one of the guys

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<v Speaker 3>took out a ceremonial knife and stabbed him right through

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<v Speaker 3>the chest. The cops get there. The bodycam footage is

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<v Speaker 3>very hard to watch. Henry is saying I've been stabbed,

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<v Speaker 3>and the cops says, I don't think you have mate,

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<v Speaker 3>and Henry says.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't breathe, I can't breathe. You remember that phrase.

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<v Speaker 3>The New York Times probably wrote three thousand and eight

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<v Speaker 3>hundred articles about that phrase, zero about Henry Noak. And

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<v Speaker 3>the cops said, yeah, you're fine, shut up and immediately

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<v Speaker 3>assumed because the minority fellows had called the cops and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>we just got attacked by a white guy, and so

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<v Speaker 3>they showed up.

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<v Speaker 2>They believed it.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't do any investigation of who was the victim

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<v Speaker 3>and who was the perpetrator, and just let this guy

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<v Speaker 3>bleed out while handcuffed. They handcuffed him as he was

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<v Speaker 3>saying I've been stabbed. I can't breathe, I can't that's rough,

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<v Speaker 3>and let them sit there and bleed out. Then immediately said, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>to the other guys, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Got injuries, what do you do to you? What happened here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, not to mention that as a as a cop,

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<v Speaker 1>you're supposed to help the person, even if they were

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<v Speaker 1>even if they're horrible people, even if they're they instigated

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<v Speaker 1>it or whatever, you're not supposed to.

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<v Speaker 2>Let them die on the street.

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<v Speaker 3>You might be a person of good conscience and you're

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<v Speaker 3>thinking now as we speak, well, okay, so there is

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<v Speaker 3>kind of an ethnic curacial component to this, but maybe

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<v Speaker 3>it was just one bad, stupid cop wasn't very good

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<v Speaker 3>at assessing the situation, and it's incredibly unfortunate. But you

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<v Speaker 3>have to understand, and I don't like, you know, playing

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<v Speaker 3>the victim card unnecessarily as a conservative or a white

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<v Speaker 3>person or whatever. I think it's pathetic, But you have

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<v Speaker 3>to understand the atmosphere in Britain. There's already widespread, huge

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<v Speaker 3>demonstrations going on against their two tiered policing system where

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<v Speaker 3>and most of this has to do with Muslims, and

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<v Speaker 3>Seeks are not Muslims aware of that. But the most

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<v Speaker 3>infamous case was a fellow said he was going to

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<v Speaker 3>burn a Koran and started to and he was stabbed

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<v Speaker 3>by an offended Muslim and the burning got a more

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<v Speaker 3>stiff penalty than the stabbing, and there is a terrified, woke,

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<v Speaker 3>self hating two tiered policing going on Britain. You may

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<v Speaker 3>recall the absolutely horrific this should be one of the

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<v Speaker 3>most famous stories in the world over the last twenty years,

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<v Speaker 3>where the British police, the authorities state, local, and federal,

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever they call them, they're covered up the Pakistani

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<v Speaker 3>rape gangs who were grooming and raping young white girls

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<v Speaker 3>because they really didn't want to anger the Muslim community

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<v Speaker 3>or look like racists, and so they let young girls

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<v Speaker 3>get victimized over and over and over again out of

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<v Speaker 3>gosh what used to be called political correctness, I guess

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely nightmares. So that's the ground that the seed of

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<v Speaker 3>the Henry Noak killing was planted in and the cops

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<v Speaker 3>utter disregard for poor mister Noak, who is entirely a victim.

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<v Speaker 3>The stabber just got sentenced to life in prison, which

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<v Speaker 3>could be as short as twenty one years in British law,

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<v Speaker 3>and all of the evidence now in the body cam

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<v Speaker 3>footage is out. That's why this is so hot now again.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's it's horrible, and you know, some right wingy

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<v Speaker 3>folks who I don't like their methods or what they say,

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<v Speaker 3>are seizing on this to really whip people up. So

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<v Speaker 3>if you hear the name Henry Noak, that's what's going

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<v Speaker 3>on with him.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of right.

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<v Speaker 1>Wing people, I want to hear what you know about

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<v Speaker 1>Candace and Russia. Candace OANs is in Russia. I hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>caught that. I don't follow her much.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's in Russia to kiss up to Putin and

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<v Speaker 3>appear to conference praising Russia and denigrating the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>Russian security forces are going to be there. It's something.

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<v Speaker 2>Disgusting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she and Tucker are traders to the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>You get to because we have free speech, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I also get to call them traders.

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<v Speaker 1>You would hope that you can't become a gazillionaire being

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<v Speaker 1>a trader to your own country, though, yeah you can

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<v Speaker 1>these days apparently. Do you want to talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>whole war with Ukraine thing? Speaking of Russia? But also

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<v Speaker 1>jobs numbers out kind of interesting?

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<v Speaker 3>What does this mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Lots of jobs, unemployment low. People have a horrible view of.

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<v Speaker 1>The economy though because of inflation any lots of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>on the ways to hear Daro Modi is either going

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<v Speaker 1>to save humankind from the ravages of AI, or he's

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<v Speaker 1>a fraud and.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't actually know which.

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<v Speaker 1>He runs in Tropic, which is emerged recently as the

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<v Speaker 1>top AI power in the world, surpassing Altman's chat GBT.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the one EMODI is the one that's most loudly

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<v Speaker 1>calling for regulations and everything like that. Now, our friend

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Sanderfer would point out that whether you're a moving

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<v Speaker 1>company or a drug maker or maybe an AI company,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're the leader, you always are a regulations because

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<v Speaker 1>it makes it very difficult for your competitors to catch

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<v Speaker 1>up to you or surpass you, or compete against you.

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<v Speaker 2>The more complex and expensive, the better. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>On the other hand, I've watched a lot of interviews

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<v Speaker 1>with the guy, and he seems very very sincere that

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<v Speaker 1>he's worried that AI is going to destroy the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and hey, somebody ought to do something about this. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>he's out again and Tropic urges global pause and AI

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<v Speaker 1>development flags self improvement risk. He says that AI models

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<v Speaker 1>are nearing the capability to start improving on their own

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<v Speaker 1>with human intervention, and what they do when they start

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<v Speaker 1>programming themselves is anybody's guests unless we try to put

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<v Speaker 1>some guidelines in place, which is an open question on

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<v Speaker 1>its own whether that's even possible.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's calling for a pause in AI development.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to pause one?

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<v Speaker 1>Ye're in the lead, so that would be like you're

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<v Speaker 1>the who's currently the Detroit Tigers, I think is the

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<v Speaker 1>best team in the baseball They say, I think we

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<v Speaker 1>should pause the Major League Baseball season and the crown

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<v Speaker 1>and winner. Now, I just say, it'll be good for

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<v Speaker 1>the fans, it'd be good for the game.

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<v Speaker 3>I too, am torn between the more cynical view of

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<v Speaker 3>mister Emodi and and taking him at his word. I

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<v Speaker 3>just want to ask, do I even have to say

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<v Speaker 3>it out loud?

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<v Speaker 2>Dario? What about China? Right? What you can? He said?

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<v Speaker 3>And it's written by several heavyweights in the industry, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants a global pause, which would include shot up.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I want a little.

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<v Speaker 3>To peace, Dario, Seriously, I sincerely want world peace.

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<v Speaker 2>What about China, North Korea, Russia?

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<v Speaker 1>So your belief is you could not make China go

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<v Speaker 1>along with a pause or yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I believe that because it's so obvious I could explain

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<v Speaker 3>it to a dog. But apparently amodi, no offense, Dario.

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<v Speaker 3>You're a fine fellow and very clever. But seriously, dude,

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<v Speaker 3>we believe doers are not going to pause.

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<v Speaker 1>We believe it would be good for the world to

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<v Speaker 1>have the option to slow or temporarily pause frontier AI

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<v Speaker 1>while we're currently in the lead. I slipped that part

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<v Speaker 1>in AI development to enable societal structures and alignment research

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<v Speaker 1>to keep up with the advance of the technology. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that we're in first place, you added that again.

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<v Speaker 2>I caught you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, uh, it proposes a global agreement.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh seriously, are you children?

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<v Speaker 1>Recursive self improvement is the fancy term that they use

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<v Speaker 1>now for what they used to just refer to as

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<v Speaker 1>AGI or ASI. That's when that can start just improving

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<v Speaker 1>itself on its own, and then that will that improved

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<v Speaker 1>thing will improve itself, and it could what Elon always

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<v Speaker 1>talks about. It could start just like exponentially start improving

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<v Speaker 1>itself to where what you have by eight o'clock tonight

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<v Speaker 1>is significantly different than what you had this morning. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it could just exponentially explode like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And that which boggles the mind. It does. It does

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<v Speaker 2>boggle the mind.

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of these guys think We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>reach that day one of these days, and the AI

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<v Speaker 1>from Friday morning is not going to be the AI

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<v Speaker 1>that is doing all kinds of things to the world

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<v Speaker 1>by Monday afternoon, m which it does boggle the mind.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't want to be just knee jerk cynical,

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<v Speaker 3>because Dario and his crew have, like from the beginning

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<v Speaker 3>of their company Anthropic, they've been talking about AI safety

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<v Speaker 3>in a way that they've been real leaders in that.

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<v Speaker 3>I just nobody ever answers the China question, or in short,

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<v Speaker 3>the evildoer's question.

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<v Speaker 1>Others have suggested to the other side of it here.

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<v Speaker 1>Others have suggested that anthropics warnings about the dangerous potential

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<v Speaker 1>of its own tools could be considered a marketing ploy.

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<v Speaker 1>Such skeptics point to anthropics decision to limit release of

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<v Speaker 1>the powerful Mythos cybersecurity model capable of finding buzzing problems,

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<v Speaker 1>as a handy way to tout the capabilities of product.

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<v Speaker 1>Our product is so powerful, we can't release it to

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<v Speaker 1>the public.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that good.

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<v Speaker 3>It reminds me of like those fifties horror movies and

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<v Speaker 3>sci fi movies. Do not view this movie if you

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<v Speaker 3>have a heart condition or are prone to palpitations. This

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<v Speaker 3>movie is too terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought this was pretty good from this professor at

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<v Speaker 1>Wharton's School of Business where Trump got his degree.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where I got my degree. Oh wait, no I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, I'm gonna pad my resume. Yes I did,

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<v Speaker 3>By God.

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<v Speaker 2>He said.

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<v Speaker 1>Anthropic is full of true believers all the way around.

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<v Speaker 1>AI labs are a mix of things, said the expert.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a trillion dollar company, which is hard to

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<v Speaker 1>wrap your head around on its own. There's a trillion

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<v Speaker 1>dollar company with all the normal trillion dollar company stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like marketing teams and lawyers. Then there's a core of

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<v Speaker 1>researchers who are just building the next models. And then

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<v Speaker 1>there's a set of people who are philosopher kings who

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<v Speaker 1>are concerned about the future and what comes next, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're all in confidt with each other at all times,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course is true. Yeah, I'm sure you have

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<v Speaker 1>people in the philosopher king crowd, which is who I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be hanging out with. Who are in there in these

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<v Speaker 1>companies thinking this is just a disaster. It's just a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of when.

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<v Speaker 3>Nuclear weapon anti proliferation efforts are child's play compared to

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<v Speaker 3>software anti proliferation?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 1>Might even be impossible, regardless of any efforts might be yikes, yeah, yikes.

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<v Speaker 1>Is I can get my organ's robot over lords if

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<v Speaker 1>you can use them. They're pretty worn out.

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<v Speaker 2>Always the harvesting organs. It's always where you go.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>Goss despair first.

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<v Speaker 4>Storms, critics.

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<v Speaker 7>Likes the crowd, You like to quiet the critics. Oh,

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<v Speaker 7>I love shut up critics. My beloved Carolina Hurricanes. Gosh,

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<v Speaker 7>I've been a fan for how many years now? One

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<v Speaker 7>equaling the Stanley Cup Finals had won. Hey, Amazon, two

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<v Speaker 7>day Prime, two day Prime.

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<v Speaker 3>It's taking me five days to get my Carolinas Hurricanes taste.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to jump on the bandwagon now.

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<v Speaker 1>If he gets it after the ambastard they win or lose,

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<v Speaker 1>that'll take all the fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of it, I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of sports, Game two of the NBA Finals tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump says he's gonna go to one of the home

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<v Speaker 1>games when the Knicks get to town, because they start

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<v Speaker 1>in San Antonio where they're playing tonight for Game two.

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<v Speaker 2>But that'll be quite the something.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be something if Trump goes to Madison Court Square

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<v Speaker 1>Garden for one of the games.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just gonna say, speaking of the Connector Bockers,

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<v Speaker 3>the journalists got this story. It starts with this, this

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<v Speaker 3>guy who is a celebrity watch consultant for.

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<v Speaker 2>Jay Z's Rock Nation.

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<v Speaker 1>A celebrity watch consultant, like watching celebrities or the wristwatch,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, the risk watches.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, yeah, that's some gig. But he's got access

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<v Speaker 3>to all sorts of people and sources in New York City,

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<v Speaker 3>and he knows a couple of like high level ticket

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<v Speaker 3>brokers and stuff. And he's a big, big, big Knicks fan,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was looking into tickets and the nosebleeds were

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<v Speaker 3>running eight thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Dollars as of yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>The get ins to get in right exactly, just to

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<v Speaker 3>say you were in the building. You're squinting, you see

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<v Speaker 3>tiny figures running around on the court. You're mostly watching

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<v Speaker 3>the jumbo tron that'll cost you eight thousand dollars, but

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<v Speaker 3>the good seats. You're now competing against Wall Street titans

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<v Speaker 3>and hedge fund guys for whom money is no object,

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<v Speaker 3>right Wall Street, big law, real estate, big wigs, celebrities,

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<v Speaker 3>and nobody knows how high. These tickets are going to go.

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<v Speaker 3>But Jack, you brought us the news the other day

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<v Speaker 3>on the floor seats my co for seven figures.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I had the worst seats you could have.

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<v Speaker 1>When the La Lakers played the Sacramento Kings Game seven

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<v Speaker 1>of the Western Conference Finals many years ago, and after.

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<v Speaker 2>Game six was fixed.

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<v Speaker 1>Never forget it was a Game seven with the Lakers

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<v Speaker 1>and Shack and Kobe and everything I got. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a big and it was awesome, even though they were

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<v Speaker 1>the worst seats you could have in the internet. Being

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<v Speaker 1>there the inner it was it was so freaking cool. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's an advantage to be in there. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>would agree. I would agree.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a warm memory and you tell the story

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<v Speaker 3>for the rest of your life.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that worth? I don't know. It's up to

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<v Speaker 2>the individual.

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<v Speaker 3>But I love this part, getting close to the action

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<v Speaker 3>that such live events confers status. We've been discussing this

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<v Speaker 3>for I mean, you're Tim Shallomey, You're sitting in a

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<v Speaker 3>row behind Tracy Morgan's humiliating.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd put a bag over my head anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>This woman is the founder of a concierge agency, and

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<v Speaker 3>she says these tickets are like Taylor Swift madness for

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<v Speaker 3>finance bros.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, but there's gotta be and nobody explains this.

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<v Speaker 1>There's got to be some sort of mechanism to get

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<v Speaker 1>celebrities in the front rows. Otherwise, if it were just

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<v Speaker 1>who's got the most money, wouldn't it be all hedge

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<v Speaker 1>funds managers sitting in the front two rows, or wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be a celebrity to be seen as opposed to always

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<v Speaker 1>John Stewart and Ben Stiller and Michael J. Fox and

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<v Speaker 1>Timothy Shallomey and Tracy Morgan all in that row.

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<v Speaker 3>Interestingly enough, And this is what really intrigued me. So

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<v Speaker 3>this woman's concierge agency arranges travel and experiences for dozens

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<v Speaker 3>of members, most of them in private equity. Okay with

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<v Speaker 3>networks slow down, with net worths ranging from tens of

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<v Speaker 3>millions of dollars to billions of dollars. And it's the

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<v Speaker 3>lower end of that spectrum that tends to shell out

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<v Speaker 3>more because she says, they have the most to prove

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<v Speaker 3>they care about. If they are seen, you've got billions

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<v Speaker 3>of dollars, you don't care about anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, some of the guys with more money, you're thinking

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if I really cared, I'd buy both teams

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<v Speaker 1>and have them play in my backyard.

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<v Speaker 3>But her team has already booked Nick's tickets as expensive

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<v Speaker 3>as one hundred and seventy six thousand dollars each so far.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's some gaming of the system, which is fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not mad about it, but I don't know why

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<v Speaker 1>they don't admit that. Look, we'd have a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>hedge fune of managers. That's not good for ratings. People

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<v Speaker 1>want to see Chata Bay and Kardashian. That's what gets

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<v Speaker 1>people excited.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout yeah, fair enough, all right, Another consumer story about

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<v Speaker 3>GLP ones and why they're overwhelming retailers.

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<v Speaker 2>It's probably not with what you think. Afterward.

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<v Speaker 3>spam call, every scam text, every sketch email with your

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<v Speaker 3>name starts the same way. Somebody found you on one

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<v Speaker 3>of these data broker sites. All of your information is

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<v Speaker 3>sitting on these sites right now until Incognitate tells them.

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<v Speaker 2>Get rid of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Whole bunch of people got your phone number, your address,

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<v Speaker 1>your email, your age, the names of your kids, all

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of stuff searchable and for sale. But in

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<v Speaker 1>Cogny goes to these companies with the law on their

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<v Speaker 1>side and says, you got to get that stuff off there.

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<v Speaker 1>And they keep going back and keep going back to

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<v Speaker 3>Check it out incogniti dot com slash armstrong. So the

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<v Speaker 3>GLP ones are causing all sorts of shakeups. Of funny,

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<v Speaker 3>you had mentioned that Lizstahnson grocery stores and all sorts

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<v Speaker 3>of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Lizzo's up on the Today Show right now, singing, first

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<v Speaker 1>time I'd seen Lizzo since her big weight loss.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like half the size she used to be. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she is not big old Lizzo.

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<v Speaker 3>She just kind of like she's like two twenty no

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<v Speaker 3>or what because she was big she is she.

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<v Speaker 2>Looks biggish on TV.

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<v Speaker 1>She's she'd probably look very very average in person, and

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't look used to before.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember, No, No, indeed her torquing haunts my dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>But that whole thing, that controversy is is worth I

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<v Speaker 1>can understand why people are mad about that.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you were giant, you were the whole.

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<v Speaker 1>No, this is beautiful and blah blah blah, bad acceptance,

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<v Speaker 1>bag acceptance then, and why did you spend so much

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<v Speaker 1>money surgeries, drugs, everything like that to get thin and

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<v Speaker 1>now you like fired all your super fat backup dancers,

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<v Speaker 1>so you got people that are closer to your size.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, look that's going on there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, she could say, well, I wanted to save

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<v Speaker 3>my life, but then what the hell were you doing

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<v Speaker 3>preaching the other All right, that's the point, is this whole.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's fantastic to be four hundred pounds. No, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not good on any level fort you at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And you should try really hard not to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Getting back to the GLP one drugs and how they're

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<v Speaker 3>shaking up food and restaurants and now it's retailers, specifically

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<v Speaker 3>apparel companies are fighting a flood of returns and they

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<v Speaker 3>quote this one budget suit retailer Flex Suits, they've seen

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<v Speaker 3>a fifty percent increase in returns in the past year,

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<v Speaker 3>and they say when a customer orders the same suit

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<v Speaker 3>in two or three sizes, it's the red flag and

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<v Speaker 3>he will actually reach out check the measurements and ask

0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:01.080
<v Speaker 3>the client, look, are you losing weight or on one

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:04.080
<v Speaker 3>of those GLP one drugs. If you are, wait till

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<v Speaker 3>you're done, then order a suit. Because what people are

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:10.199
<v Speaker 3>doing is ordering, you know, three of the things so

0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:12.240
<v Speaker 3>they can wear the one for a while, then return it,

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<v Speaker 3>then the other one for a while, then return it.

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<v Speaker 2>Then finally when.

0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:18.120
<v Speaker 3>They get skinny, get that one, return it. Hey, here's

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<v Speaker 3>don't return the other two. You're gonna need them.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, unless you stay on the drug, right right indeed, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which you know, that's that's fine. Like I said the

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<v Speaker 1>other day, people take blood pressure medicine for the rest

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 1>of their lives. Why not the I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be super obese drug for the rest of your life.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know the answer to that question, but so

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<v Speaker 3>far it seems to be at least a possibility for a.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot of people. So yeah, So if there's like a

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<v Speaker 2>ninety day return policy, or even if it was sixty

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:48.240
<v Speaker 2>day return policy, you're gonna shed a lot of weight

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<v Speaker 2>in sixty days on those drugs. So you get.

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<v Speaker 1>The the thirty six, the thirty four, and the thirty two,

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<v Speaker 1>and the share of apparel exchanges where shoppers have sized

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<v Speaker 1>down one has risen each of the last three calendar years,

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<v Speaker 1>hitting a high of about fifteen percent this year.

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<v Speaker 3>So as these drugs get more and more commonplace, these

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:10.560
<v Speaker 3>retailers are I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>They could track it.

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<v Speaker 3>They could practically tell you how many people are taking

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<v Speaker 3>these drugs based on their returns towards the skinny end.

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<v Speaker 1>So just when, for the first time, really in the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of years, a lot of your retailers had

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<v Speaker 1>started having like what store was it as in the

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<v Speaker 1>other day, all of their mannequins. Half their mannequins were

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<v Speaker 1>quite overweight with jeens on or sweatpants on or whatever

0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 1>to fit human beings. Because mannequins have always been the

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<v Speaker 1>super fit like skinny. Well, now they're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to get mannequins to reflect more people. I guess maybe

0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 1>you have to be make them adjustable, inflatable or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 3>As the trends go up and down. Just as a

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<v Speaker 3>quick example of how big a pain this is. If

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<v Speaker 3>you've got a billion dollar company that typically sees around

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<v Speaker 3>twenty percent of its items returned, a five to ten

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:07.040
<v Speaker 3>percent increase in returns can slash gross margins by about

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 3>twenty million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's a huge problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Unless there ends up being some sort of long term

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<v Speaker 1>effect that is horrific. We find out the era of

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<v Speaker 1>people being giant might be over as possible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's a maintenance drug. Now it's like blood

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<v Speaker 3>pressure you mentioned, or cholesterol or whatever. Yeah, this is

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:31.199
<v Speaker 3>something that peak weight loss. Those taking these medications can

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:35.760
<v Speaker 3>drop a clothing size every month. Whoa, yeah, yeah, jeans,

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:38.640
<v Speaker 3>brawls and athleisure where often the first items replaced. Then

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:41.720
<v Speaker 3>come tops and dresses, as well as adjustments to rings,

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 3>bracelets and even shoes.

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Ran bat feet yeah rings. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll have the you know now or there for

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<v Speaker 1>a while. You look at pictures from back in the

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 1>day and everybody's so thin. I mean it's immediate. You

0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:04.959
<v Speaker 1>look at a picture and you think, wow, everybody's thin

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:07.600
<v Speaker 1>back then then we got the we're all big period,

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:10.360
<v Speaker 1>and then maybe the pictures from here on out everybody

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:15.399
<v Speaker 1>be thinking, Wow, so the statistical bulge in the Boa

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:17.680
<v Speaker 1>will be a bulge in US.

0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>From like the eighties to the twenty twenties, we were

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<v Speaker 1>all giant.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, cool, Wow, this gal shit hundreds of pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>She looks pretty good. Lizzo is uh. I wouldn't have

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:38.240
<v Speaker 2>known that was her unless it said Lizzo underneath her.

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<v Speaker 2>She's still laimed tiny. I feel like she was tinier

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:45.680
<v Speaker 2>a year ago when I first saw that. I wonder

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:47.920
<v Speaker 2>if did she lose a ton of weight on the

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 2>gpl ones? Then go off them? Girls got big bones?

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 2>What are you gonna do that something?

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 5>Though?

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:58.920
<v Speaker 1>And she fired her big backup singers. Yeah, her backup

0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:02.480
<v Speaker 1>band is not near as big as they used to be. Hey,

0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:04.440
<v Speaker 1>you hired me because I was giant. You said that

0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:06.080
<v Speaker 1>was awesome. Now you're firing me.

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, get oof.

0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Zelenski and Putin meeting face to face. I want to

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:17.440
<v Speaker 1>get to that story, among other things. Stay here.

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<v Speaker 6>President Trump has worked to broker piece between Russia and

0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 6>Ukraine since day one of term two, and now Zelensky

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<v Speaker 6>has written to Putin asking for a one on one

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<v Speaker 6>with the Ukrainian and Russian leaders, writing, we see that

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<v Speaker 6>the United States is fully focused on the issue of

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:41.040
<v Speaker 6>Iran and it would be wrong to simply wait until

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 6>the war in Europe returns to the center of its attention.

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<v Speaker 1>So Zelensky, this is the day after they have a

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<v Speaker 1>drone strike outside of Saint Petersburg, sending a cloud of

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<v Speaker 1>black smoke across the very highway that Putin was going

0:29:56.920 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 1>to use this weekend for some conference that he was having,

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 1>which is on candae owens is at, which is all really,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not a coincidence obviously. So the day after

0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 1>that drone strike outside of Saint Petersburg, Zelensky posts an

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:15.880
<v Speaker 1>open letter to Putin asking that they should get together

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>and have a talk about peace terms. The taunting letter

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:24.760
<v Speaker 1>went after all kinds of different things. After twenty six

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 1>years in power, age is beginning to take its toll,

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Zelensky wrote about, Wow, love it so far.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the letter was posted on the Ukrainian President's website,

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:42.320
<v Speaker 1>taunted the Russian leader over wartime setbacks, inflation, and Russia's

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:46.360
<v Speaker 1>dependence on China, and also made note of Putin's advancing age.

0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 1>As I said there, I'll read a little more about

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:53.400
<v Speaker 1>that in a little bit, but nobody's sure if this

0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>will work or not, or to what extent it was

0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 1>a good idea in terms of trying to bring about peace.

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Putin could be, you know, angry and want to engage

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 1>with this, or it could cause him to have more resolve,

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 1>like even if he was getting shakey, think f bat guy,

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 1>you know who knows. It's always a risk when you

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 1>do these sorts of things. But Zelenski said he would

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 1>meet for direct talks outside the Trump administration's negotiating negotiating process,

0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 1>suggesting including European nations have the meeting in Switzerland, Turkey,

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 1>or in Arab state. I can't imagine any location or

0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 1>any situation where they would.

0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 2>Both be safe.

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:41.920
<v Speaker 3>We've talked about like when our president gets together with

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<v Speaker 3>the ahijiin Ping and the incredible security protocols and interactions

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:49.080
<v Speaker 3>and agreements and that sort of thing, and we're at

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 3>least frenemies, I mean, we're not open at war currently adversaries.

0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine what that would.

0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Look like woven into the offer for peace talks were

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<v Speaker 1>Needling remarked, it's about a strong man leader unable to

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<v Speaker 1>defend his own capital, Moscow or Saint Petersburg that one

0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 1>particular passage was after twenty six years in power, age

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 1>is beginning to take its toll.

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Where does it go on?

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<v Speaker 1>After that pointing of the Russian leader's age cast out

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah blah blah.

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 2>There's more to that, but I can't find it. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you just YadA YadA YadA peace talks? I think

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<v Speaker 2>I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we can all see that Russians are finally becoming

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 1>less comfortable with this reality after hitting some of the

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 1>inflation numbers and that sort of stuff, and how they

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:40.960
<v Speaker 1>had to scale down their Victory Day parade because of

0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 1>possible attacks. We have heard that you were promised in

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Alaska when they had that meeting in Alaska and Putin

0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:51.120
<v Speaker 1>and Trump met and they rolled out the red carpet,

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:52.480
<v Speaker 1>and yeah.

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Nothing came of that.

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>We've heard that you were promised in Alaska the resolution

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<v Speaker 1>of certain issues concerning Ukraine and Europe. President Lensky said,

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 1>you can see for yourself that Ukrainian European issues are

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:08.800
<v Speaker 1>not going to be decided in Anchorage. Zelenski wrote, in

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:10.960
<v Speaker 1>other words, you've got to deal with me if you

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:15.200
<v Speaker 1>want to get any resolution of this. We'll see if

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:18.280
<v Speaker 1>this works. The letter and the provocative drone strike, might

0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:21.120
<v Speaker 1>Bowie spirits inside Ukraine the New York or the New

0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 1>York Times rights and might also send to an audience

0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:27.640
<v Speaker 1>of won mister Trump a message about mister Putin's declining fortunes,

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:32.120
<v Speaker 1>since Trump seems to like to back the winner in

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:35.320
<v Speaker 1>these things, or it might help stoke domestic discord inside Russia.

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 3>Nobody has any idea. Yeah, I was just trying to

0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 3>find the story. I know the Senate, the Republican Senate

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 3>just voted to give a bunch of money and loans

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 3>to Ukraine in spite of the President's current stance. It's

0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 3>got to go through the House. But they're asserting themselves

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 3>on that topic, defying the president more regularly and openly,

0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 3>which is interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So Ian Bremer's been writing a lot about how Putin,

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<v Speaker 1>for a variety of reasons of age and paranoia and

0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 1>who knows what his health situation is, has got fewer

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 1>and fewer advisors, He's more isolated, all that sort of stuff.

0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 1>So what his view on things are or how far

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 1>he's willing to go to not look like he made

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:22.840
<v Speaker 1>the biggest, one of the biggest blunders in world history.

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Who knows he is a caged beast.

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, the Ukrainian forces have begun using near real time

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 3>satellite imagery from this Colorado based company to improve the

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:40.320
<v Speaker 3>speed and precision of their drone attacks. They've cut down

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 3>the amount of time it takes to locate and strike

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:45.840
<v Speaker 3>Russian assets by ninety percent, so they can see a building,

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 3>get a satellite shot of it, say hey, there's a

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:50.360
<v Speaker 3>bunch of armored vehicles out there, that's the kind the

0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:54.400
<v Speaker 3>Russian officers used. Let's hit it now, and they hit it.

0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:57.480
<v Speaker 3>They're doing terrible damage. So things are not swinging in

0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 3>Russia's direction, not at all. You know, brings us to

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 3>the discussion that's gotten hot recently. Does Putin lash out

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:06.440
<v Speaker 3>at Europe in an effort to make it look like

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:10.160
<v Speaker 3>Russia's being attacked by the West, so he can mobilize

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 3>even more young men and you know, get more sacrifices

0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:16.040
<v Speaker 3>out of the Russian people. Nobody's quite sure what he's

0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 3>going to do. To your point that he's increasingly isolated

0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 3>and paranoid.

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:22.799
<v Speaker 1>Wow, Like, I'm reading part of this letter that Zelenski

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:25.839
<v Speaker 1>sent or posted so anybody could read it.

0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 2>But it's two Putin.

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<v Speaker 1>Yesterday, I received a report on the losses of your

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:33.719
<v Speaker 1>army on the front in Ukraine during May. Once again,

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:37.800
<v Speaker 1>that number exceeded thirty thousand Russian soldiers killed and seriously wounded.

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:40.319
<v Speaker 1>We have been maintaining that level month after month, and

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:42.880
<v Speaker 1>we have video confirmation of every one of your losses.

0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:46.279
<v Speaker 1>These are not empty claims. We know that sixty three

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:49.280
<v Speaker 1>percent of your battlefield losses are killed, while only thirty

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:51.920
<v Speaker 1>seven percent are wounded. And in twenty first century, no

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 1>army can afford such a ratio, and his share of

0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 1>those killed will only continue to grow.

0:35:58.160 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Ho nactually read this? You would think he'd have to

0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:06.200
<v Speaker 1>at least ponder. You know, that's probably true. That doesn't

0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:06.719
<v Speaker 1>sound good.

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:11.799
<v Speaker 3>I've heard that his strategy might be a nuclear standoff,

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 3>not a nuclear attack, but a serious thread of using

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 3>nukes and then, you know, try to make hay during

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 3>the resulting standoff.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:19.160
<v Speaker 4>Well.

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 1>He lays out all sorts of economic stats, inflation stats,

0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:27.359
<v Speaker 1>deaths of soldier stats, ground gained recently, how far their

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:28.880
<v Speaker 1>drones have reached into Russia.

0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:30.920
<v Speaker 2>He makes a pretty good argument. If only we

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 3>Did another hour, I would love to hear those oh

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:34.440
<v Speaker 3>that's right, we do, and you can grab it via

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<v Speaker 3>podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand Armstrong and Getty