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Speaker 1: dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have an

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Speaker 1: amazing show for everybody today. What do we have Crystal?

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Speaker 1: Its great to have you back.

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Speaker 3: Nice to be back in the studio here.

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Speaker 4: Lots of talk about of course, Wednesday is Liberation Day,

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Speaker 4: elderbas I'm personally calling it, but well.

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Speaker 1: It will be for a lot of hedge funds, yes.

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Speaker 2: At anyone who has anything in the stock market most likely.

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Speaker 2: So we're taking a look at what the plan is

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Speaker 2: even likely to be with regard to additional tariffs and

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Speaker 2: how the markets are reacting and all of that good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Also some new poll numbers with regards to how people

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Speaker 2: feel about Trump and Trump's handling of the economy. We're

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Speaker 2: looking at the very latest, of course, from the signal

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Speaker 2: Gate fallout, which just continues.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Waltz is apparently on thinner ice, so we'll see what's

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Speaker 2: going on there. Trump says that he's going to run

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Speaker 2: for another term that is blatantly unconstitutional, but he says

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Speaker 2: he's going to figure it out and he's going to try,

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Speaker 2: so we'll see how that's going to work out. I'm

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Speaker 2: taking a look at how Zionism has been used to

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Speaker 2: usher in an authoritarian crackdown. Jonathan Allen and Amy Parns

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Speaker 2: are joining us to talk about their new book. I'm

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Speaker 2: very excited about this. So they've got all the inside

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Speaker 2: scoop about Biden dropping out, about Kamala switching in, about

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Speaker 2: Obama's role, about Trump's campaign, all of the things. So

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Speaker 2: they're going to be spilling the tea from their new book.

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Speaker 2: We also have Ben Wickler, who is the chair of

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Speaker 2: the Wisconsin Democratic Party, big Supreme Court race in that state.

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk was there last night trying to gen up

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Speaker 2: support for his preferred candidates. So we're going to get

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Speaker 2: a look from Ben Wickler there in the state and

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Speaker 2: what that all means.

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Speaker 3: So lots to get to this mark.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exciting, and Emily's actually down in Wisconsin right now.

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Speaker 1: You'll have some on the ground reporting for that on

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Speaker 3: Wisconsin native, Yeah, Wisconsin native.

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Speaker 1: I've never I still am wrapping my head around the

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Speaker 1: like almost one hundred million dollars or so that I

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Speaker 1: can spend on a Wisconsin Supreme Court race. It's completely

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Speaker 3: Put in twenty million dollars.

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Speaker 1: To this Supreme He personally put in twenty million, and

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Speaker 1: then on the Democratic site it's like twenty six million.

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Speaker 2: Real sort of referendum moment, bell Weather of where things

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Speaker 1: R Let's start with the tariffs, as Crystal said, Liberation

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Speaker 1: I think people are going to get very upset. Don't forget,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot to unpack here. I mean,

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Speaker 2: first of all, obviously this is not how the teriff

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Speaker 2: not running around going like, your prices are going to increase. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, he was pledging inflation. We all know it

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Speaker 2: but they tried to pretend like, oh no, that's not

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Speaker 3: It works, blah blah blah. Obviously that was a lie.

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Speaker 2: And now we're getting the truth from Trump here with

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Speaker 2: regard to how this is going to be put into place.

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Speaker 2: The auto tariffs are the sort of thing, if you're

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Speaker 2: just focused in on that that I could theoretically support

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Speaker 2: not what's happening here. That's not happening with cars. At

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Speaker 2: the same time that they're instituting these tariffs, they're of

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Speaker 2: course taking hatchet to the federal government. They're going the

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Speaker 2: opposite direction of having any sort of industrial policy. They're

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Speaker 2: going back to austerity to deregulation, all those sorts of things.

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Speaker 2: And then of course we're not just talking about auto tariffs.

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Speaker 2: Actually we don't really even know what the tariff regime,

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Speaker 2: nor does anyone else in the administration. Apparently that's going

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Speaker 3: So this is going to be if.

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Speaker 2: He moves forward and actually implements these tariffs and actually

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Speaker 2: Jeff made a good point about how you know, this

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Speaker 2: coming to a head this week because one theory from

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Speaker 2: negotiating tactic. Okay, So oh, he threatened Mexico with tariffs

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Speaker 2: just using them as a negotiating tactic. Okay, that's one theory.

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Speaker 2: Another theory is, no, he's using these to totally upend

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Speaker 2: this morning, you know, if you look at about eight

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Speaker 1: Well, there's no question about it. On the strategy front.

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Speaker 1: I still don't think we can really read anything into it,

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Speaker 1: because originally we were doing Canada tariffs with Mexico, then

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Speaker 1: And then even on the reciprocal tariffs, the way that

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Speaker 1: we're going to do a reciprocal tariff with every other country. Again.

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Speaker 1: I actually think reciprocal tariffs is not a terrible idea.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it doesn't seem so unreasonable. But

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Speaker 1: then he was like, well, actually, what we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: is narrow the tariffs to ten or fifteen countries. They're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: latest is actually we're going back to a twenty percent

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Speaker 1: all right. So my point is not only can I

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Speaker 4: You heard Lucas's reporting there where the President says he

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Speaker 1: Who is more responsible for today's inflation? Thirty eight percent

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Speaker 2: I mean think about it, like, he makes it impossible

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Speaker 2: the fact that that seat is in question at all

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Speaker 2: is crazy, at least defonic having to be pulled. How

436
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Speaker 2: much did she win her that's like a plus twenty

437
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Speaker 2: Republican district again, should be a layup, should be no

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Speaker 2: problem for Republicans, And they had to pull her un

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Speaker 2: ambassador nomination because they were worried that they could lose

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Speaker 2: that seat. So we already know now listen, caveat. These

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Speaker 2: are low turn on elections. Democrats are very fired up.

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Speaker 2: The Democratic base now is filled with high propensity voters,

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Speaker 2: a shift that's part of the realignment. As you know,

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Speaker 2: the voting coalitions have moved around, and Democrats have more

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Speaker 2: college educated voters tend to be higher propensity voters. But

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Speaker 2: when you're talking about a midterm election, you're still talking

447
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Speaker 2: about it being important that you have those high propensity

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Speaker 2: voters and who is really super motivated and also who

449
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Speaker 2: is depressed. So if you have a creatoring economy, you know,

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Speaker 2: a stock market that has fallen, economy that is either

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Speaker 2: in recession or teetering on the brink of recession, prices

452
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Speaker 2: that have skyrocketed, stagflation, and all of it is late

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Speaker 2: at the feet of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Even people who are like more or less.

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Speaker 2: His supporters, they're not going to be super psyched about

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Speaker 2: coming out to vote for more of this agenda. At

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Speaker 2: the same time, just in terms of you know, additional

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Speaker 2: economic news, you continue to see consumer sentiment falling off

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Speaker 2: a cliff. You also continue to see things like delinquencies

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Speaker 2: on mortgage payments, delinquencies on car payments going up and up.

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Speaker 2: So the indications are pretty dire. It's not like the

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Speaker 2: economy is on really firm footing here for people to

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Speaker 2: be able to absorb the type of shock that Trump

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Speaker 2: is planning to put into plays. That is a landscape

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Speaker 2: here and it is going to be a wild ride.

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Speaker 1: I guess the only thing that you can say is

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Speaker 1: because he's not actually he's never been committed, like officially

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Speaker 1: to any of this stuff. He's always been willing to

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Speaker 1: pull back. Is you should all hope for that. Let's

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Speaker 1: say there's a twenty to thirty percent correction and you

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Speaker 1: get into a full blown panic on Wall Street, which, look,

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't downplay any of this stuff, because this is

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Speaker 1: real shit. That is a result. Oh yeah, not only

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Speaker 1: is four oh one k. I mean that's just a

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Speaker 1: personal level for everybody who is out there. That means,

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Speaker 1: think about it. Whenever your market cap and your stock

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff goes down, what do people usually do?

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Speaker 1: They pull back, not only pull backsmen, and they fire

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Speaker 1: a bunch of people. So there's real there's real jobs,

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Speaker 1: millions of jobs that are on the line here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So you know, I can't sit here and just be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: let's all just hope for a correction and all that plasts.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget. You know, depression goes up the suicide rate.

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Speaker 1: If you really want to see something depressing, go check

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Speaker 1: it foraight oh nine. It's a disaster every single time.

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Speaker 1: Every major US depression from the Great Depression forward. In fact,

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Speaker 1: the highest one of some of the highest suicide rates

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Speaker 1: the United States ever had was during the Great Depression.

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Speaker 1: So you can go and see it for yourself. There's

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Speaker 1: really human consequences to a lot of this, and you know,

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Speaker 1: you can't screw with people's lives generally, And you know,

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Speaker 1: even on the tariff point. This is the last thing

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Speaker 1: I'll make is you know, as you said, even with

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Speaker 1: the China stuff, it's not all that popular. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's around like the fiftieth or sixtieth percent. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to sit here and pretend it's like ninety percent.

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Speaker 1: I think the immigration stuff is way more popular than

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Speaker 1: anything on tariffs. The problem that I always come back

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Speaker 1: to is we have sitting on fifty some years of

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Speaker 1: a policy and of an agenda that has been sold

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Speaker 1: to people. Now, think about the amount of deprogramming that

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Speaker 1: it takes to say no, TVs being cheap is not

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Speaker 1: the most important thing. Buying a new car every five

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Speaker 1: years is not only financially responsible, but is also something

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Speaker 1: that you know, the new bills and whistles and all

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Speaker 1: that from China, that's not the be all end all

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Speaker 1: of what your entire life is just supposed to be

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Speaker 1: about same with the new consumer goods. The American dream

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Speaker 1: is not built on cheap you know, MacBooks like this

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Speaker 1: from China that you buy every two years, or an

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Speaker 1: iPhone which is basically the same over the last ten

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Speaker 1: years that you just renew all the time. It's about

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Speaker 1: being able to have children, if you want to, staying

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Speaker 1: in place, if you want to moving, if you want to,

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Speaker 1: being able to buy a house and to pursue whatever

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Speaker 1: it is that you want to do, and not all

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Speaker 1: of the accoutrement that's in your house. But that's been

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Speaker 1: the standard of living now for fifty years. That's two

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Speaker 1: generations that effectively that have been brought up on this.

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Speaker 1: So you would need not a massive cultural project like

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Speaker 1: something from the White House, which is disciplined, which is different.

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Speaker 1: You would need like an entire apparatus that is united

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Speaker 1: in this discussion. And you can't just sell it within

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Speaker 1: all the bounds of chaos, because if you do, what

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Speaker 1: you risk is actually getting in totally affirmed of people

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Speaker 1: saying like no, no, no, no, this is not only what

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Speaker 1: I know, but this is what I want, and then

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Speaker 1: we're never going to get back. This will be look

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Speaker 1: as an aberration. Yeah, not as something else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's that's right.

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Speaker 2: I mean you also you have to sell people on

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Speaker 2: a new and different bargain that is better than the

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Speaker 2: one they have. And instead, what is being promised is

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Speaker 2: just like we're going to hike the prices of the

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Speaker 2: things that have remained to be you know, relatively inexpensive,

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Speaker 2: and we're not going to help you on healthcare, We're

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Speaker 2: not going to help you afford a house. In fact,

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Speaker 2: the terrors are going to make housing even more expensive

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Speaker 2: because many of the construction materials are you coming in

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Speaker 2: from abroad and are going to be more expensive. So

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Speaker 2: you're not offering people like, Okay, we're ending this bargain

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Speaker 2: of cheap consumer goods. We're China basically like exported deflation

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Speaker 2: on these cheap consumer goods.

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Speaker 4: We're ending that bargain. But here's the new bargain. Here's

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Speaker 4: what you get.

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Speaker 2: You're going to be able to afford home, You're going

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Speaker 2: to be able to send your kids to college is

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Speaker 2: going to be more affordable, you're gonna be able to

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Speaker 2: get help. None of that is being offered. So it's

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Speaker 2: just we're going to hype prices and you're going to

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Speaker 2: suffer for what nobody could really say. I mean, there's

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Speaker 2: just no narrative that is being offered here that makes

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Speaker 2: sense to people whatsoever. And so, yes, I actually am

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Speaker 2: for a new economic you know, grand bargain.

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Speaker 1: So to speak.

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Speaker 3: Here I am in favor of that. That's not what's

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Speaker 3: on the table.

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Speaker 2: What's just being offered to most people at a time

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Speaker 2: when they already are really stretched thin because of the

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Speaker 2: inflationary effects, because also because of decades of wage stagnation,

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Speaker 2: because of decades of union busting, destroying worker power, because

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Speaker 2: of decades of yes, well, those consumer goods were cheap,

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Speaker 2: all of the building blocks of a middle class life. Housing, education,

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Speaker 2: healthcare have skyrocketed in price so that it is so

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Speaker 2: difficult to afford on one or two incomes. It's almost

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Speaker 2: impossible for many people to be able to afford those

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Speaker 2: things on two income households working full time. So you know,

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Speaker 2: that's the landscape into which they're saying. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: suck it up and pay more for your car, Suck

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Speaker 2: it up and pay more for these consumer goods clothing, food.

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Speaker 3: Et cetera.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, it's not a good deal that's being offered.

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Speaker 2: That's on the table right now.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not, and you actually need to offer something

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Speaker 1: very very different, as I said, Otherwise you basically think

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Speaker 1: about it. With Trump's chaotic strategy, which is constantly pulling

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Speaker 1: back and going saying something and then pulling back, then

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Speaker 1: you will not only inflict damage in the interim, you

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Speaker 1: won't get the end result that you were trying to do,

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Speaker 1: and you will turn the public that is against you.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's really what they're flirting with right

582
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Speaker 1: now and America really, I mean, let's think about it.

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Speaker 1: When's the last time they had a full blown COVID

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Speaker 1: is a little bit different because COVID was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was a pandemic, et cetera, and the economy, the

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Speaker 1: stock market drop and all that was like relatively short lived.

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Speaker 1: We have not had prolonged stagnation for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Even twenty twenty two I think was the last year

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Speaker 1: that there was a drop in the overall S and P.

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Speaker 1: But then you had two rip roaring years after that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we have not had, you know, a couple

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Speaker 1: of years of like actual decline in a long time

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Speaker 1: in this country. And if you remember what things were

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Speaker 1: like in eight nine, it's not a surprise that that

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Speaker 1: is where so many, not only the populist movements come from,

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Speaker 1: but that is where the millennial generation and all of

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Speaker 1: that really became disconnected from the overall American dream. And

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Speaker 1: then the split that has happened since then has been devastating. Anyway, Look,

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Speaker 1: they're long standing social consequences. You don't need to be

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Speaker 1: a historian or any of that to see multiple times

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Speaker 1: in the past when things like this have happened. And

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Speaker 1: so they want to save not only their political future,

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Speaker 1: but really I think that the contract that they're trying

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Speaker 1: to sell to the country, they're going to have to

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Speaker 1: do something different. But there is no indication of that whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Turning now to Signal Gait. Okay, so the idiocy continues

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Speaker 1: in the White House. Remember if we'll recall the signal

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Speaker 1: chats leak. Mike Waltz says that Jeffrey Goldberg, the neo

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Speaker 1: kon journalist over at the Atlantic, that his number got

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Speaker 1: sucked into his phone. Obviously it was preposterous. He says

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Speaker 1: he never met him there, and the photo came out

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Speaker 1: showing the two of them together at an event over

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Speaker 1: at the French Embassy. He says I didn't ever have

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Speaker 1: talked to him before. Well, Goldberg is basically saying that's

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Speaker 1: bullshit to basically every single claim that Mike Walts has made.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. This isn't the matrix.

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Speaker 6: Phone numbers don't just get sucked into other phones. I

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Speaker 6: don't know what he's talking about there. You know, very

619
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Speaker 6: frequently in journalism, the most obvious explanation is the explanation

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Speaker 6: my phone number was in his phone. Because my phone

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Speaker 6: number is in his phone. He's telling everyone that he's

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Speaker 6: never met me or spoken to me. That's simply not true.

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Speaker 6: I understand why he's doing it, but you know, this

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Speaker 6: has become a somewhat farcical situation.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's parse some language, shall we. My phone number

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Speaker 1: is in his phone because my phone number is in

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Speaker 1: his phone. My theory behind all of this, and I'm

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Speaker 1: curious what you think. Yeah, Ryan basically said this as well,

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Speaker 1: is it's obvious Waltz has been leaking to Goldberg now

630
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Speaker 1: for quite some time. Yeah, screw up here was so

631
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Speaker 1: big that Goldberg had to burn him. But he had

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Speaker 1: to burn him in such a way that he can't

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Speaker 1: fully cast the blame. So he can't come out and

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Speaker 1: just be like, look, this is ridiculous. He's been leaking

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Speaker 1: to me for X, Y and Z number of months,

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Speaker 1: so he's to say careful things. My phone number is

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Speaker 1: in his phone because my phone number is and his

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Speaker 1: phone not, because it's like he's had my phone number

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Speaker 1: for a number of years, and obviously we've been in communication.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the meeting thing, this is the other thing

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Speaker 1: about Goldberg. He puts it in the story, but he's

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Speaker 1: very sly. He's like, yes, we have met, you know, once,

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Speaker 1: but he didn't talk about some of the actual circumstances.

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Speaker 1: And then the photo comes out from twenty twenty one

645
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Speaker 1: literally of the two of them standing right next to

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Speaker 1: each other, right, and then you add Mike Waltz's sketchy

647
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Speaker 1: behavior on top of all of this. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: so preposterous for everything that is happening right now inside

649
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Speaker 1: and unfortunately, I think it's starting to fade away, Like

650
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: I think that Maga and Trump are basically getting away

651
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: with it. They're like, We're gonna weather the storm, no

652
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: scalps for the enemy. And I'm like, do you guys

653
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: not understand like how this is going to land to people?

654
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, it's weird to say the signal

655
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: story is the biggest story of the Trump administration. All

656
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: the data shows us that. I mean, and I think

657
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: because it's funny, like there's an element of hilarity to

658
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: it about texting the wrong person or whatever, and everyone

659
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: can like somewhat relate to it, and everybody likes to

660
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: see people in power just be like them. But that's

661
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: not the point. The point is not about all of that.

662
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: It's really about the lies, about the sheer idiocy behind

663
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: the scenes, and how they insult our intelligence, like to

664
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: take to the national airwaves and say that somebody's phone

665
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: number got sucked into my phone. I'm just sitting here

666
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: being like, I am I taking I feel like I'm

667
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: a Zoolander, Like I'm like, am I taking crazy pills?

668
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: And the craziest part about it is, you know, I

669
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: think you originally made this comparison with making fun of

670
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: joy Read and be like, oh, it's just like those

671
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: Russian hackers who hacked her old blog posts. I'm like,

672
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: they genuinely think, not only are you so stupid that

673
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: you're just going to sit there and take it, but

674
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: this is an indictment of the entire like MAGA ecosystem,

675
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: which is either silent on it and or just backing

676
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: Trump upping. Actually it's Goldberg's fault. I saw somebody saying, like,

677
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: he's a he should have left the chat immediately, Like what, yeah, yeah, exactly.

678
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: It's like, no, guys, the point is he's a CIA

679
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: cut out because he left the chat. You don't leave

680
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: the chat. You stay forever and then you leak some

681
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: stuff to your colleagues or whatever. I just, I really,

682
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: I'm so stunned by how they're trying to give them

683
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,239
Speaker 1: a pass and they're like no scalps or whatever, and

684
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: it's like, well, hold on a second, Like I thought

685
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: that they were supposed to have merit or whatever. But

686
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: you know, similarly, I personally know several federal employees who

687
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: have been screwed by either work you know, coming back

688
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: chaotic procedure, no office space, which even though they were

689
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: called back sheer stupidity. I know several people who have

690
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: either taken the buyout off or et cetera. So you're

691
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: firing tens of thousands of people, including park rangers and

692
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: the nuclear scientists, who are then rehiring on the theory

693
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: that all these people are dead weight, and then that

694
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: you have this guy, the most basic screw up of

695
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: all time, for the top national security advisor, and he

696
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: gets a pass. You don't think that people aren't going

697
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: to see this, yea, you know, at a very that's

698
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: my thing about fairness as well. If you're going to

699
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: fire all of these people, then you should actually be

700
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: even more ruthless with the people in yourself. But no,

701
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: they're setting a different standard, and it's like, Okay, I

702
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: think America should really pay attention that the sheer idiocy,

703
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: the stupidity, the lying, the expecting you to you know,

704
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: if you're a maga out there and they're genuinely they

705
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: think you're a fucking idiot like that. I want you

706
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: to be clear, like that's what they think of you.

707
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: They think you're so dumb, and you know, to be honest,

708
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: many of them are right that you'll just just serve

709
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: as some sentinel and be like, actually, it's the left

710
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: that's the problem here, that's demanding a scale. We don't

711
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: play by their rules. I'm just like, okay, then, you know,

712
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: just have them at the top of your national security advisor.

713
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure the entire country will be better off for it.

714
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: I can't believe it.

715
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really can't. Tribalism right ros brain, it really does.

716
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean I think the reason that so,

717
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: first of all, that interview Mike Waltz gave to Laura Ingram,

718
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: it felt like, I guess he didn't think he would

719
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 2: be pressed at all by her, and so even the

720
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: basic question of like yeah, but how like why was

721
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: this number on your phone? He had to come up

722
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: on the fly with this like oh, Willy and maybe

723
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 2: God like sucked into my phone. And then I loved

724
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: when he was like, we're going to get the best minds, like.

725
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 3: We already know what happened.

726
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 1: Elon's technical experts right are looking like we.

727
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: We all know what happened here. It's you and Jeffrey

728
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: Goldberg have the same ideology, like your allies. You may

729
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: be on different political teams technically, but in all of

730
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: this you are allies. So it's very obvious what happened here,

731
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: you know. I think with regard to he feels like

732
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 2: he has to lie about it because he feels like

733
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: the biggest sin for Trump, in particular Goldberg's would be

734
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: being friendly with Goldberg, somebody that he hates.

735
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: It does say something though, doesn't it about the whole

736
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: relationship with him in Goldberg where that is, like you

737
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: just said, you do have the same uniparty ideology, and

738
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: all the reporting from behind the scenes is that Waltz

739
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: quote annoys his colleagues because he's constantly talking about bombing

740
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: Iran and or you know, it's like or he's like, oh,

741
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: actually you even saw in the chats right, like he's

742
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: like a brain dead idiot being like the muh actually

743
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: muff freedom of navigation please, you know, sitting in there,

744
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: anybody from the Atlantic Council could have written something like that.

745
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: It's just the way that this has all gone down

746
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: just demonstrates also the stupidity. Why did Trump? You know,

747
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: Michael Tracy me a good point because I was like, oh,

748
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: this is a person who's out of step with the

749
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: Trump admin. And he was like, you know, that's not

750
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: even true because Trump picked him. I go, you know what,

751
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: You're completely right, Yeah, Trump picked him for this job.

752
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: So what are we all supposed to sit here and think?

753
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: And the person who supposedly was you know, is closest

754
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: to Trump, Stephen Miller, who sort of like was speaking

755
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: for Trump, in coming in and say, okay, well this

756
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: is you know, sorry JD about your concerns, but this

757
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: is what the boss actually wants.

758
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: Is Stephen Miller and.

759
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: Steven Miller is there backing up the Yeah, no, we're

760
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: going to bomb them.

761
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 3: We're going to bomb this apartment building.

762
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 2: Yay to you know, the death and destruction and great

763
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: job everybody, even though you know, not a word is

764
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: said about the fact that this policy, which by the way,

765
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 2: they've continued to bomb and has continued to not work.

766
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: This policy was trying the Biden administration. It was a failure.

767
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:34,479
Speaker 3: There is no.

768
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 2: Even expectation that it's going to be successful this time around.

769
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: It's just like bombing for the sake of bombing, and

770
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 2: because Israel wants us to.

771
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 3: So the whole thing is.

772
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 4: Getting a look at those chats, it shows you how

773
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 4: incredibly like idiotic and facile and borderline insane the foreign policy,

774
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 4: the standard foreign policy thinking is in this administration and

775
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 4: carryover this particular policy carryover from the last administration as well.

776
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: And it also really gives you a window. This is

777
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: something I was talking to Ryan and Emily about on Friday.

778
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: It gives you a window into like Okay.

779
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: JD does his.

780
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: Little like, well, you know, this is really like kind

781
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: of Europe's problem. He's shot down by everyone who cares

782
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: away in in that thrust. There should have been like,

783
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 2: it's not just Mike Waltz. There should have been theoretically,

784
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: Pete heagsth has had this come to Jesus moment and

785
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: now he's Magan, he's America first, and he's against the wars.

786
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.

787
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: He's not backing him up. There's no one in that chain.

788
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: Chelsea Gabbard's on that chain act, she's not backing them up.

789
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 2: Steve Wikoff is in there, he's, you know, running around

790
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: Moscow at the time. He's not that Nobody in there

791
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: has anything to say other than yes, go team, bomb

792
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: the apartment building.

793
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 3: Get the bad guys way to go.

794
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: Not a mention of the fact that the policy will

795
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: accomplish literally nothing other than complete and utter, you know,

796
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: other than death and destruction and.

797
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 3: Linger Israel is a very Israel's bidding.

798
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: What was the easiest to do. The lowest common denominator

799
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: opinion in Washington is bomb the hoo thies and or

800
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: let's stick it to Iran. Even JD if we're all

801
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: being honest, the Europe thing is probably just I have

802
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: no inside knowledge. I'm just telling you from what I

803
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: think is very obviously it's like one of these like, yeah,

804
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: but my Europe. You know, Europe is bad and that's

805
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: why we shouldn't do it, which is like obviously something

806
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: that you use because you know it's a framework that

807
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: everybody has to be built into. It's fine, you know,

808
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: you don't hate the player, you hate the game, but

809
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, as you said, it's the one voice. And

810
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: then Miller comes in shuts it down. Mike Waltz comes

811
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: in again with some literal copy pasta from chat GPT

812
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: about freedom of navigation, about why we got to do it.

813
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: Pete hex Set's like, we're gonna go. We should go

814
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: right now. And we've been bombing Yemen now for multiple days.

815
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: That's you know, nobody just sits there and go, hey,

816
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: did it work? You know what happened? How much we

817
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: spend on this operation mulhunt, you know, tens of millions

818
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: of dollars. We have now spent and discharged more missiles

819
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: against the hoo Thies than in all the previous thirty

820
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: years of combat from the United States in America. We

821
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: don't sit there and just take any stock of any

822
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: of that. It's like, it's so ridiculous. And it shows

823
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: you too that the hardest thing to do is to

824
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: even use some fake argument about like maybe we shouldn't

825
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: do this'. That is the difficulty. That's the difficulty in

826
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: Washington today, is to actually preach restraint, even couched in

827
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: political rhetoric. Yes, that is actually the sickness at the heart.

828
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: And it also shows you all. Going to war it's easy.

829
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: You know. Every time I've read about the decision to

830
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: go to war in Iraq, you would think that it

831
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: would be difficult. No, no, no, no, it was the

832
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: easy decision to make. Not only was the psyopped American

833
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: people in on it, the media was bloodthirsty. Congress wanted

834
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: to do something. It took lone voices of courage to

835
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: say no, we should not do this. And even they

836
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: failed or didn't prevail or were compromised, you know, in

837
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: their own way. Yes, sure, it's great to be vindicated

838
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: years later. It doesn't matter if you don't say anything

839
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: at the time. It's just you're done. Yeah, and well

840
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: we're going to end up in a disaster. I really

841
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: fear that's where we're next Tomorrow, we're going to cover

842
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: this Iran situation. Things are not good right now, you know,

843
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: the rejection of negotiations and all that. I know what

844
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: the solution is. We all do. We know where things

845
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: are going to end up. It's the easiest path of

846
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: least resistance for them, but definitely not for us.

847
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: And all done so casually.

848
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's what like the emojis, that's why everybody

849
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 2: is sort of sticking on that understandably, because yeah, it

850
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: feels like, you know, a group chat you'd be in

851
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: with your your buddies or your family or you know,

852
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: I said on Friday, like your kid's soccer team coordinating

853
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 2: snacks for the next game or whatever. Like it feels

854
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: so casual, and yet fifty some people were killed in

855
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: this strike, like you know, fift pound emoji fire, American flag.

856
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: There's not a care or consideration over is, like who

857
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: is this target?

858
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 3: Is this? What's the club?

859
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 2: We're talking about a civilian apartment building here that we're collapsing.

860
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: We're all just like celebrating, like that's fine, And you know,

861
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: I know that our foreign policy has killed many civilians, but.

862
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 3: They always tell us, oh, we take all the care.

863
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 2: And consideration, and you know, at least in the past,

864
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: now it's not even it's not even contemplated. So to

865
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: have these decisions that are both life and death for

866
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 2: the people that are being bombed and also can have

867
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 2: extraordinary consequences in terms of, you know, pulling our nation

868
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: into potential war with Iran, to be taken so casually

869
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: and with so a total lack of regard for what

870
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: the policy is even going to accomplish. That to me

871
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: is what is so unsettling here. And then you know,

872
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 2: the use of signal itself, I feel like hasn't gotten

873
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: commented enough that Pam Bondi went on and was like, yeah.

874
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: We're going to keep using signal.

875
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: Basically, it's ying used intentionally to avoid FOIA requests.

876
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 3: I mean they are this is a way.

877
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: To try to subvert the legally acquired records keeping that

878
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: you know is congressionally mandated, and I think it is

879
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: standard protocol, And no one on that chain is like, wait,

880
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 2: why are we using signal for that?

881
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 4: This?

882
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 2: Shouldn't we be using more secure channels. Also, it was

883
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: weird how many people were on the chain like why

884
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: is the Treasury secretary on the chain, you know, like, okay,

885
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: it has to do with freedom of navigation. So for

886
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: him to understand the overall plant, fine, does he really

887
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: need to know like what time and where and what

888
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: type of military hardware is being Floyd, et cetera.

889
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: The whole thing is just total.

890
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: Amateur hour, you know, I said on Friday, it gives

891
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 2: like children playing war games.

892
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 3: And I think.

893
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: That's also a sober why it has so broken through

894
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: with the American public and so captured people's attention, because

895
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 2: it does like there's a when you're on the outside,

896
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: you have this idea that serious people are making serious

897
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 2: decisions with a lot of thought and you know, a

898
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 2: lot of intelligent argument about how exactly to do these things,

899
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: and then we see the reality of it, You're like,

900
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: holy shit, these people are nothing. They're nothing special and

901
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: this is being done incredibly casual.

902
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: If there is one thing that I could take away,

903
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: it's that, guys, Washington, this is how it all works.

904
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: I want you all to know that this America has

905
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: been too siopped from all of these movies into thinking

906
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: that we have like great men at the top. We

907
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: once did, but that's been a long time coming, and

908
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: everyone sits in the situation room and very seriously sits

909
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: there and deliberates. It's like, no, this stupidity is actually

910
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: how our entire government is run and has been for

911
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: a long time. Put B two up there on the screen.

912
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: It's possible that Mike Walts could not be long for

913
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: this world. Nobody really knows it, says in private meeting,

914
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: Vance and top advisors suggest Trump oust Waltz. So the

915
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: tell that JD actually did tell him to fire walt

916
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: is that quote. Vance's office did not respond to comment

917
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: on this. So if he had said it, then he

918
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: would have denied it right, or he hadn't said it,

919
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: then he would have denied it. Here was buried down

920
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: at the bottom. But that's a classic little Washington way

921
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: and whether you can tell if something is actually true

922
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: or not. Inside Apparently both JD, Susie Wiles, and who

923
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: else in here said that they wanted to fire. So

924
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: basically the top advisors for Donald oh Sergiogre, who is

925
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: the top personnel official at the White House PPO director,

926
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: all of them said, sir, you should fire him. He

927
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: clearly is leaking, he's lying, and he has committed like

928
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: a very basic act of appearing like an idiot. It's

929
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: just incompetence. It's not something we want. And Trump is like, yeah,

930
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: but I don't want to give Jeffrey Goldberg a scalp.

931
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: It's like that is the priority, you know, in his mind.

932
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 1: And it's not the foreign policy view, it's not anything else.

933
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: It's just the fact is is that he doesn't want

934
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: to appear as if he's giving too much away, you know,

935
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: to the liberal media and its calls for.

936
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 4: He specifically hates Goldberg over the the.

937
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: Suckers and loser story. That's right, right, yeah, I mean

938
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: I read an article this morning. Actually, let's go and

939
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: put that one up there on the screen B five please,

940
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: just so you guys can see from B here, Mike

941
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: Wallace is losing support inside the White House. What they

942
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 1: point out is that, you know, his position is tenuous.

943
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: Trump has apparently been furious with him. But and this

944
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: was my big takeaway, is that he's like on the

945
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: phone with his advisors. Trump says that he does not

946
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: want to recreate the stories of his first term and

947
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, willing miillery, firing people and having personnel issues

948
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: and so in this way though, this is where the

949
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: stupidity of it comes in. You are actively keeping someone

950
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: in place who absolutely deserves to be fired just to avoid,

951
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, the story of somebody leaving, and they think

952
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: that it would have been a cascading effect. I couldn't

953
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: disagree more. The fact is is that Waltz is lies,

954
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: and then the insistence that no classified information was shared

955
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: is actually what made the story ten times worse if

956
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: they had just come out the day afterwards. And like

957
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: National Security Advisor Walts offered his resignation this morning to

958
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: the President. The President has accepted it and he wishes

959
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: him well. It was obviously mistake. The National Security Advisor

960
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: takes full responsible. I genuinely think the story would have

961
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: gone away, but all the stupidity of it. They can't.

962
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: They really believe that by going on the offense constantly

963
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: that they can just survive these things. But my point

964
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: is about survive to what end? To keep a neo

965
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: con leaker in his job just so that you don't

966
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: own the Atlantic. It's like, but you know the other

967
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: irony here, nobody's getting owned more than anybody who doesn't

968
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: want to go to war with Iran, like Jeffrey Goldberg,

969
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: is actually succeeding in keeping somebody like Mike Waltz in

970
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: his job if you decide to own him by not

971
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: firing him. Okay, good luck to you. Yeah.

972
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: And I don't think this is going to put Mike

973
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: Waltz off of leaking future things to.

974
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 3: Jeffrey all either.

975
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: Ideological.

976
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 3: Goldberg has gone out of his way to try to

977
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: protect Waaltz.

978
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely, the fact that he hasn't already pulled up like

979
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: here's the picture, another picture and be with here's our chats,

980
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: here's the other things that he sent me. Oh you

981
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 2: want to say, buddy, that you don't know who I am.

982
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 3: Here are the receipts, here is THEO.

983
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: Like, the fact he hasn't done that is a incredible

984
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: kindness to Mike Waltz, because that actually would pull the

985
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: pin on him if it was shown and Trump believed

986
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: that they were in regular or semi regular communication, Like

987
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: I think that would pull the pin on Mike Waltz

988
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: in terms of his you know, future within the Trump administration.

989
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: But he's not doing that. He's just saying, like, it's

990
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: not true. We do know each other. My phone number

991
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 2: is in his phone, because my number is in his phone,

992
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: even with regard to how he handled the release of

993
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: this getting out of the chat to begin with, then

994
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 2: he initially doesn't want to actually release the details which

995
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: proved that this was clearly classified information.

996
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 3: That's the other thing that is so dishonest.

997
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: Pretending like these war plans or attack plans, as they

998
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 2: want to say, like this isn't classified information. Is also

999
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 2: so insulting to anyone who has a brain and knows

1000
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: even the first thing about how Washington works and how

1001
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: much of this information is classified. But you know, Goldberg

1002
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: did his best to try to protect these guys, and

1003
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: they just forced his hand at every single turn. So

1004
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: I was gonna mention, you know, there was your point, Zachera,

1005
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: about how they're handling this so differently than the treatment

1006
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: of you know, any other lower level federal government employee.

1007
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 2: There was a DHS staffer that accidentally included a reporter

1008
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: on some details of forthcoming ice rates, and it was

1009
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 2: a much lower level screw up in terms of like

1010
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: the consequences, and that DHS staffer was immediately put on

1011
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: leave and had their their classification threatened, Like they're yeah, good,

1012
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: that's you know it was, Look, you messed up, and

1013
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: now you're going to be out of the job and

1014
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: you are not going to have access to the sort

1015
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: of classified intelligence again. But for Mike Waltz, because he

1016
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 2: doesn't you know, because Trump don't like Jeffrey Goldberg, He's

1017
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: hanging in there now. I will say, I think, you know,

1018
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: maybe if down the line, if he screws up again

1019
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 2: and there's some other excuse to get rid of him.

1020
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: I do think that he's a little tenuous at this point.

1021
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: I think that's that's what you could say. But no,

1022
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 2: the handling of this has been incredible, and it is

1023
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: also crazy to me that it is kind of the

1024
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: biggest like Trump, given everything that has happened in the

1025
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: Foreign Alien Enemies Act and the you know, the economic

1026
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: crashes and all of these, the roundups on college campus.

1027
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 2: Is everything that's been done, and this is the thing

1028
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 2: that has really broken through because it's a clown show.

1029
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: It's just that that's it. That's right. That Look, all

1030
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: of those are substantive stories of which people what's the

1031
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: what's the normal response from somebody who doesn't know a

1032
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: ton about it, I don't know that much about it,

1033
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: you know, or something like that that seems complicated. People

1034
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: inherently have a reversion to to what to controversy or

1035
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: to something that seems like very complicated, but with this, yeah,

1036
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,479
Speaker 1: there's no complication. Finally, here, I just wanted to show

1037
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: you in terms of what this what it looks like

1038
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: for the people who are out there trying to defend this.

1039
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: This is the best that they've got. Some idiotic what

1040
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 1: aboutism that again just deeply insults your intelligence. Here's Greg Gottfeld.

1041
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: Let's take a.

1042
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 7: Listen, and we were all smeared for speaking the truth

1043
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 7: that was clearly on display for years. And now these

1044
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 7: same jackasses are telling us that the signal app story

1045
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 7: is a grave concern when they hid the fact that Biden.

1046
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: Was literally a concern for the grave.

1047
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 7: That a little turnabout in language, all right, I liked it.

1048
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 7: There has to be a penalty for this cover up.

1049
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 7: The scandal isn't that they elected a vegetable. It's that

1050
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 7: journalists knew it and refused to act like journalists even

1051
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 7: as the facts got worse. Not penalty should be a

1052
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 7: complete loss of credibility, not just now but forever. The

1053
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 7: rest of us, from Trump on down to his supporters

1054
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 7: have earned a free punch, meaning every time they shout scandal,

1055
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 7: we get to hit him with ridicule. I mean, you

1056
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 7: expect us to care about some group chat regarding a

1057
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 7: successful strike against terrorists after gaslighting us about a senile

1058
00:50:58,840 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 7: old man for four years.

1059
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: You, yeah, that's the guests that they've got. Oh, you

1060
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: gaslighted us, So now we're going to gaslight you.

1061
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: Right, we get a free punch. Yeah, we get to

1062
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: not care about the scandals.

1063
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: You just know there's a bunch of boomers out there

1064
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: eating that up.

1065
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was getting cheers in the audience. I

1066
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: also love a successful by what measure? How was this

1067
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: a success?

1068
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: Although the bomb went boom?

1069
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: Okay, congratulations, guess what you accomplished? Literally nothing?

1070
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what counts for success in Washington.

1071
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. Opparently, all right, let's.

1072
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: Get to Trump three point zero.

1073
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so apparently.

1074
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: In this interview with NBC News, Trump made it quite

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Speaker 2: clear that he plans on seeking a third term in office.

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Speaker 2: Let's put this up on the screen. Kristen Welker was

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Speaker 2: doing the interview here. She said, are you joking about this?

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Speaker 2: He says, I'm not joking. When asked to clarify, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: It is far too early to think about it. When

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Speaker 2: asked whether he has been presented with plans to allow

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Speaker 2: him to seek a third term, Trump said, there are

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Speaker 2: methods which you could do it. He also was asked

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Speaker 2: whether that could involve running jd Vance and then him

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Speaker 2: basically like sort of taking over for JD Vance and

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Speaker 2: as they said, a possible scenario which Vice President jad

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Speaker 2: Vance would run for office then pass the role to Trump.

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Speaker 2: Trump responded that that's one method, but there are others too.

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Speaker 2: Asked to share another method, Trump simply responded, no. So

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Speaker 2: Steve Bannon has been out there saying similar things, you know,

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Speaker 2: seeming to I mean, he has said quite clearly that

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Speaker 2: they're going to figure out a way to get Trump

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Speaker 2: to run for a third term. The constitutional language is

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Speaker 2: as clear cut as it could possibly be. There is

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Speaker 2: literally no ambiguity there. Did you pull it up, you

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Speaker 2: want to read.

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Speaker 1: It for it? Read it for everybody. I was looking

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Speaker 1: at it this morning just to get the exact text.

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Speaker 1: No person shall be elected to the office of president

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Speaker 1: more than twice. No person who has held the office

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Speaker 1: of president or acted as president for more than two

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Speaker 1: years of a term to which some other person was

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Speaker 1: elected president shall be effected elected to the office of

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Speaker 1: President more than once. This article shall not apply to

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Speaker 1: any person holding the office of President when this article

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Speaker 1: was proposed by Congress. Shall not prevent any person who

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Speaker 1: may be withholding holding the office of President, or acting

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Speaker 1: as President during the term within which this article becomes operative,

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Speaker 1: from holding the office of President or acting as President

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Speaker 1: during the remainder of such terms. So the background is

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Speaker 1: twenty second Amendment was passed Congress in nineteen forty seven,

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Speaker 1: was ratified by the States in nineteen fifty one. Nineteen

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Speaker 1: fifty two is a first presidential election under the new

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Speaker 1: rule under President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who subsequently was elected

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Speaker 1: to two terms. And the background of it, as we

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Speaker 1: have discussed here, the twenty second Amendment was, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: a severe overreaction to FDR seeking the unprecedented third and

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Speaker 1: to fourth terms. The Congress at the time was very

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Speaker 1: upset at how much power FDR had accrued under his

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Speaker 1: what twelve or so years while he was in office.

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Speaker 1: They wanted to make sure that it never happened again,

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Speaker 1: and to try and to ratify the two term norm

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Speaker 1: that was set by George Washington actually into law. But

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Speaker 1: now it is the law of the land. It is

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Speaker 1: the Constitution of the United States. I was thinking, you know,

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Speaker 1: even in terms of how that whole like JD would

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Speaker 1: run and you could hand it off to him, as

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Speaker 1: the Constitution makes clear, no person who has been elected

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Speaker 1: president twice twice can serve again as president, so he

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Speaker 1: would actually not be in the technical line of succession.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so you could not even you know, constitutionally

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Speaker 2: put Trump as like the VP on the ticket and

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Speaker 2: then have JD step down, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Well, even if Trump stepped down today and handed it

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Speaker 1: over to JD, he still would never be elected or

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Speaker 1: eligible because it says no person elect twice elected there

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Speaker 1: the definition is ratified victory by the Electoral College, which

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Speaker 1: has now happened twice.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and listen to some of the ways

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Speaker 2: that Steve Bannon has been talking about this, because I mean,

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Speaker 2: I have been taking seriously this possibility for a while,

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Speaker 2: because Bannon has been pretty consistently talking about it, and

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Speaker 2: you know, there was even at Sea Pack there was

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Speaker 2: a whole booths set up there about we want Trump

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Speaker 2: to be, you know, our red Caesar. We want him

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Speaker 2: to be able to serve a third term, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: And listen, this is a man who, when he did

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Speaker 2: lose the election in twenty twenty, refused to accept defeat,

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Speaker 2: like he did not want to give up power, And

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Speaker 2: so I don't think any of us should expect that

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Speaker 2: he's going to be willingly accept giving up power this

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Speaker 2: time around as well. So I think you have to

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Speaker 2: take seriously now that you have Bannon and you have

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Speaker 2: Trump being quite clear that he intends to seek a

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Speaker 2: third term, you have to take it seriously and start

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Speaker 2: thinking through the scenarios of how he could even theoretically

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Speaker 2: try to accomplish this goal. With all that being said,

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Speaker 2: let's go ahead and take a listen to C three

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Speaker 2: Steve Bannon talking about this possibility.

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Speaker 8: I am a firm believer that President Trump will run

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Speaker 8: and went again in twenty twenty eight. So I've already

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Speaker 8: endorsed President Trump. A man like this comes along once

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Speaker 8: every century. If we're low lucky, we've got him.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 8: He's on fire, and I'm a huge supporter. I want

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Speaker 8: to see him again at twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 9: And obviously, anybody who doesn't like what you say but

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Speaker 9: judges is at a function of a lack of intelligence.

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Speaker 9: Doesn't know anything about you. I don't make that mistake.

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Speaker 9: You're a smart guy. You know he's term limited. How

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Speaker 9: do you think he gets another term?

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Speaker 1: We're working on.

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Speaker 8: I think we'll have I think we'll have a couple

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Speaker 8: of alternatives.

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Speaker 1: Let's say that. We'll see we'll see what the definition is.

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Speaker 8: We'll say that people, We'll say what the definition of

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Speaker 8: term limit is?

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Speaker 9: All right, Well, so you're talking about litigating this issue

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Speaker 9: because I don't want people to listen to our interview

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Speaker 9: and say Bannon's cooking up an insurrection. Bannon is cooking

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Speaker 9: up you know what I mean? I want I want

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Speaker 9: people to get a straight take on where your head is.

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Speaker 1: What do you see Chris? As you know, I've had

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Speaker 1: I've had.

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Speaker 8: Greater long shots than this, and we supported President Trump.

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Speaker 8: After the election, I realized, you don't believe the election

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Speaker 8: of twenty towrners stolen.

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Speaker 1: We do.

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Speaker 8: We fervently believe that. Not prepared to talk about it publicly,

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Speaker 8: but in a couple of months I think we will be.

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Speaker 9: But you are not suggesting revolution or overthrow or anything

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Speaker 9: that people would condemn.

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Speaker 8: Chris, we just won one of the biggest sweeping victories.

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Speaker 8: We're in the middle of a nineteen thirty two type realignment.

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Speaker 1: If we can continue on and.

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Speaker 8: Continue to have populist policies, populist nationalist policies, we have

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Speaker 8: African amatic analogy coming.

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Speaker 3: To our side.

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Speaker 2: So again, I mean, I guess they're going to try

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Speaker 2: to come up with some sort of like Kakamami legal theory,

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Speaker 2: but even that, because the language is so clear, I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure how they would do it. You know, I

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Speaker 2: have been thinking about this. One of the things that

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Speaker 2: I did consider is that you whether it's Jdie Vance

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Speaker 2: or Don Junior, you run someone who basically is like

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Speaker 2: a puppet figure.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is kind of what Putin did in Russia.

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Speaker 1: Oh, like a Medvedev, like a meddev.

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Speaker 2: And it's like you, Okay, he's technically the president, but

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Speaker 2: Trump is the one who's really pulling the strings. And

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Speaker 2: you know, if you if that's the plan, then it

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Speaker 2: sort of makes sense that he withheld his support from

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Speaker 2: jade Vance as his successor because jade Vance has proved

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Speaker 2: himself that he will be a total, willing, compliant puppet

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Speaker 2: for Trump.

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Speaker 1: Well, if that's the case, you should just go ahead

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Speaker 1: and pick your son Bottle, because no self respecting personal

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Speaker 1: think and.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's maybe that's why he isn't getting behind JD.

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Speaker 3: I considered that possibility.

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Speaker 2: I also thought through, like you know, Trump has been

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Speaker 2: They've been threatening the courts and trying to you know,

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Speaker 2: pressure and bully them and defying I would say, some

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Speaker 2: of the court orders.

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Speaker 3: They have been using the weight.

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Speaker 2: Of the federal government to punish states for doing things

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Speaker 2: that they don't want the states to do, you know,

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Speaker 2: launching investigations with helding federal funding. You see the same

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Speaker 2: playbook with regard to media outlets, with regards to law funds,

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Speaker 2: with regards to universities. You could use some of that

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Speaker 2: pressure to like, you know, let's say, okay, Trump runs

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Speaker 2: a Republican primary, he wins the nomination, and then it

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Speaker 2: comes down to what our state's going to put him

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Speaker 2: on the ballot.

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Speaker 3: You could use some of that.

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Speaker 4: Pressure to try to coerce states to go along with this.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just my mind is not devious, devious enough to

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Speaker 2: come up with the scenario of how this ends up

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Speaker 2: working out for him. But like I said, I think

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Speaker 2: you have to take it seriously, given that this is

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Speaker 2: not a man who willingly gives up power, and he's

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Speaker 2: saying quite openly. And I think one thing we've learned

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Speaker 2: about Trump two point zero is the things that he

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Speaker 2: says he's going to do and many things beyond that,

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Speaker 2: he is entirely serious about it.

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Speaker 1: I think it's possible. I also think that his ego

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Speaker 1: is just so fragile at the idea of having to

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Speaker 1: pass on power, and all presidents who are two terms

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Speaker 1: struggle with this, right like Reagan famously, he's like he

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Speaker 1: didn't particularly love HW and he didn't really want to

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Speaker 1: hand the reins over. His wife wouldn't even give him

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Speaker 1: a tour or whatever. Psychologically, these people are crazy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we really need to think about it. And so that's

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Speaker 1: what it takes to be able to get up to

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Speaker 1: this level. So for Trump, I'm beginning to see now

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Speaker 1: the reason why he doesn't want to endorse JD or

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Speaker 1: Don Junior or anybody is because the idea that you

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Speaker 1: could hand over his life's accomplishment of getting elected president

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Speaker 1: of the United States twice or three times, I guess

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Speaker 1: in his mind over to somebody else. It's just so

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Speaker 1: psychologically wounding because it's a subservient position and it's one

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Speaker 1: that he correctly views as when you do that, you

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Speaker 1: no longer are the king maker. Right, There is a

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Speaker 1: transition there where whoever he endorses then becomes the pre

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Speaker 1: eminent head of the party, and you lose a lot

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Speaker 1: of your control and of your power. That is ultimately

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Speaker 1: what I think drives him. As you've said too, though,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think that Look, if we were going

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Speaker 1: to say realistically the way that this would ever happen,

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Speaker 1: let's put C four up there on the screen, where

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Speaker 1: there's been an amendment to the Amendment that has now

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Speaker 1: been introduced, and it says introduced a House resolution to

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Speaker 1: amend the Constitution to allow a president to be elected

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Speaker 1: for up to, but no more than three terms. The

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Speaker 1: language of the proposed amendment reesis follows. No person shall

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Speaker 1: be elected to the office of president more than three times,

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Speaker 1: nor be elected to any additional term after being elected

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Speaker 1: to two consecutive terms. And no person who has held

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Speaker 1: the office of president or acted as president for more

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Speaker 1: than two years of a term to wish a president

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Speaker 1: was elected president shall be elected to the office of

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Speaker 1: president more than twice, which basically means what it means

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Speaker 1: Obama and Clinton and Bush could not run for a

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Speaker 1: third term. But that Trump.

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Speaker 3: Bombas could there, that's Trump could beat Obama.

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Speaker 1: See, I don't know. I think Obama's hold is gone.

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Speaker 1: I think his twenty years sigh up and the American

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Speaker 1: people has finally ended just because of that Democratic poll

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Speaker 1: where people are people are fought up with him. Michelle's

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Speaker 1: doing her dumb ass podcast about whether you should what

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Speaker 1: was it whether you should recline your seat on a

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Speaker 1: commercial airliner? Lady, you have never been on a commercial

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Speaker 1: airliner for the last twenty years.

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Speaker 2: You know, lecture us just as a digression our guests

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Speaker 2: that we're having on Jock and Allen Amy Parn's great reporters,

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Speaker 2: both of them. One of the tidbits they have in

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Speaker 2: their book is that, you know, when remember when Obama

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Speaker 2: was going to endorse Kamlin, I like took a long

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Speaker 2: time and he did that, like weird scriptive video whatever.

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Speaker 2: Apparently one of the requirements is Michelle did.

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Speaker 3: Not want to be in the video. Wow, that's kind

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Speaker 3: of interesting, right.

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Speaker 2: I Mean, there's a lot of rumors swirling about how

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Speaker 2: their marriage is going, et cetera. So I don't know

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Speaker 2: that kind of fuel. It was like made me think

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Speaker 2: about that, but then also made me think about like,

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Speaker 2: I guess she's just.

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Speaker 3: Like, doesn't really like Kamalin maybe too.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's definitely possible. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean to be honest, if you read both of

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Speaker 1: their books, I have no idea how either of them

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Speaker 1: is still in that marriage. It's totally insane. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just one of those where he literally is running

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Speaker 1: for office and she's like I don't want you to

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Speaker 1: do this, and he just does it anyway, and you're

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Speaker 1: like okay. I mean, she's like, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: be first lady. He's like, okay, suck it up. I

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Speaker 1: have no idea. Why would you stick it out?

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Speaker 2: I don't think out in hand like you had to

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Speaker 2: know this was who you were marrying.

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Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I don't know. You know, it's one

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Speaker 1: of those where she's like, okay, then I'm just going

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Speaker 1: to move in my mom and he's like, okay, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's listen. I'm you know, don't judge. I guess whatever.

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Speaker 1: But if you read behind between the lines of but

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Speaker 1: you really should read the chapters of his rise in

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Speaker 1: his book and in her book, and if you read

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Speaker 1: that you're like, this is nuts, this is a total digress.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but anyway to get back to the cool point here,

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Speaker 2: I think Trump is going to try to run for

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Speaker 2: a third term. I don't know how it's good. I

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Speaker 2: don't know how. I don't know what argument he's going

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Speaker 2: to make. I know Republicans will go along with whatever

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Speaker 2: it is that he says and try to make the case.

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Speaker 2: I haven't been able to figure out what exactly strategy

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Speaker 2: they'll deploy. Apparently they haven't figured out what strategy they'll deploy.

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Speaker 2: But I one hundred percent think that he is serious

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Speaker 2: about this. I don't want to give up a power,

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Speaker 2: and he doesn't want to be a lame duck. You know, midterm, right,

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Speaker 2: they're going to get They're going to get schlacked in

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Speaker 2: the midterms, Like they already know it. I mean, they

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Speaker 2: already know they're going to lose the House at the

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Speaker 2: least and it could be a bloodbath.

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Speaker 3: We're going to get a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit of a glimpse of that this week of just

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Speaker 2: like how bad it could end up being for them,

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Speaker 2: and if there's a session, if there's a stock market crash,

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Speaker 2: all of those sorts of things. So midterms are likely

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Speaker 2: to go poorly for them, and then you've got you know,

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Speaker 2: Trump on his way out. This is an old man too,

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Speaker 2: by the way, like we forget he'll be I think,

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Speaker 2: eighty two in twenty twenty eight if he were to

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Speaker 2: try to run again, et cetera. But yeah, you could

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Speaker 2: imagine Republicans starting to agree and maybe create a little

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Speaker 2: bit of space and think about who's going to be next,

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Speaker 2: and start positioning themselves and start trying to make the break,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. I mean, you still see Ron De Santis

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Speaker 2: doing a little bit of this already down in Florida.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't want any of that. He wants to keep

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Speaker 2: a firm grip on power. Bannon has also said he

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Speaker 2: believes Trump will be you know, arrested and imprisoned if

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Speaker 2: once he's out of office, if he doesn't run for

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Speaker 2: a third term again. Trump probably believes that as well,

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Speaker 2: so he'll feel it as like ecxistential too, And so

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Speaker 2: I do think they'll try to pull it off, and

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Speaker 2: they'll use whatever tricks in the bag legal, illegal, constitutional, unconstitutional, moral, ethical, unethical,

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Speaker 2: or you know, otherwise that they can to try to

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Speaker 2: accomplish that goal.

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Speaker 1: It's look I've said before I want the twenty second

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Speaker 1: Amendment to go away. I think it's anti democratic. It's

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Speaker 1: one of those where, yes, as horrific as it may

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Speaker 1: seem for many of our liberal viewers, like, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: make any sense to term limit somebody if that's the

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Speaker 1: person who is being democratically ratified. You also should remember

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Speaker 1: that if Obama had been allowed to run, he almost certainly,

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Speaker 1: at the very least it would not have been Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 1: Would you beat Trump in twenty sixteen, I don't know, Okay,

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Speaker 1: nobody will know for sure, and he probably would have

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Speaker 1: had a better chance, I think, than Hillary Clinton because

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Speaker 1: it was pretty close.

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Speaker 2: So it was close, right, and Hillary was a horrendous candidate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you just think about it, it was

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Speaker 3: still popular.

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Speaker 1: If you just think about it. I mean, there's actually

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Speaker 1: an argument you made that we would be living now

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Speaker 1: in the last term of the Clinton administration if there

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Speaker 1: had been no twenty second Amendment. Maybe not would have

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Speaker 1: you know, it would have been the best, but we

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have been in Iraq, so maybe it would have

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Speaker 1: been Okay, true. No, It's like, listen, the twenty second

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Speaker 1: Amendment has cost us a lot of really stupid presidents

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Speaker 1: or or as actually sorry, given us a lot of

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Speaker 1: very stupid presidents. Bush is almost certainly one a result

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Speaker 1: of that, and the yo yo effect of that is

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Speaker 1: likely due to the twenty second Amendment. I mean, even

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Speaker 1: if you go back to nineteen forty, if FDR had

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Speaker 1: decided not to run for his third term, we could

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Speaker 1: have been in a hole, in a very very bad situation,

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Speaker 1: which was his argument there at the time. Yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 1: I democratically am very against the twenty second Amendment. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't have term limits in Congress. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: term limits for the President's preposterous. It was just obviously

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Speaker 1: done to screw over the legacy of FDR.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean, you know, I have a thoroughly

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Speaker 2: unprincipled position on this, which is I also in theory.

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Speaker 3: Second, but this.

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Speaker 1: Guy didn't beat him.

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Speaker 3: This guy here ago, we gotta be done with this man.

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Speaker 3: You can beat him there one last thing.

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Speaker 2: Put up C five on the screen, so you know,

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Speaker 2: the public, like you got to.

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Speaker 3: Give them credit.

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Speaker 2: At the time when the media was all like, oh, Biden,

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Speaker 2: he's fit as a fiddle and sharp as attack. What

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Speaker 2: they were like come on, and a majority here are

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Speaker 2: also like a very clear majority. I think those who

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Speaker 2: think that Trump is not going to run for a

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Speaker 2: second term, it's like thirty some percent, But in any case,

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Speaker 2: fifty two percent are like, yeah, he's gonna try.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gonna try.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's probably where the smart money is.

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Speaker 2: He's out and noun saying it. So I don't know

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Speaker 2: why we wouldn't take him seriously at this point, given

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Speaker 2: that he's definitely meant many of the things that he

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Speaker 2: has said here.

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Speaker 3: Coming into the second term.

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Speaker 1: Well we'll see. I will enjoy tracking this great. My

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Speaker 1: hope is that they are able to pass a complete

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Speaker 1: that they are able to amend the Constitution and to

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Speaker 1: finally repeal this amendment. In fact, the trade I'll take

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Speaker 1: is that we'll bring back prohibition and then we'll take

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Speaker 1: this one away. So that's I did not that's the

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Speaker 1: biggest mistake, the biggest mistake. We not going to take

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Speaker 1: you prohibition. Yeah, that's right, this country school of drunks.

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Speaker 1: But you know whatever, all right, you guys will get

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Speaker 1: over it, just like they did in Prohibition. Some people

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Speaker 1: will figure it out and the overall drinking rate will

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Speaker 1: go down. It was better for all of you. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: it's true.