WEBVTT - MISSING US SCIENTISTS DEATH TOLL 17, NUCLEAR LAB WORKER FOUND SKELETONIZED 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.720 Tonight, the FBI continues its probe and to space scientists 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:10.120 dead and missing, as the death toll actually rises to seventeen. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:13.960 Good evening, I'mancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:23.959 to thank you for being with us. The toll of 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.360 missing and or dead space scientists has risen. 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:29.960 Well, you have very very greet people who have these 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:33.120 kinds of very strange or suspicious circumstances. 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:38.239 Around anti gravity and jet propulsion, special alloys made for 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:42.839 high intensity heat, ideas and theories that most of us 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:49.640 have never imagined until they go missing or are found dead. 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.560 Number of them have gone missing with the same circumstances. 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:56.320 How can these not be connected? 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:00.720 This is highly alarming and ought to be investedated thoroughly 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:01.480 by the FBI. 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:07.240 Joining us tonight Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Matt What 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:07.760 about it? 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:13.560 Dave Matt Nancy in a shocking update to the scientist's story. 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:18.280 You know, we've been covering missing and dead scientists, and 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:23.920 now the body, the skeletonized remains of Melissa Cassias has 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:28.920 been found. She was working in New Mexico in Los 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:33.280 Alamos and went missing June of last year. June twenty 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:37.600 twenty five, she takes her daughter lunch. She is seen 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:40.800 walking down the road the last time she was seen 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:44.760 and when she went missing. The investigation began right at 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:49.360 her house where investigators found two cell phones of Melissa 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:55.360 Cassias at home and were a factory reset and by 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.560 the way, not factory reset at the exact same time, 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:04.120 but factory reset at different times when she went missing. 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.360 It was one of those remarkable things where there was 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:11.400 nothing out of the ordinary. She's just doing normal things 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.960 throughout the day, going so far as to actually drive 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:18.120 her husband to work, which was quite a distance, but 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:22.639 then forgot her lab her identification and had to go 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:25.280 back home to get it. At that point, we think 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.519 maybe she just decided to work from home that day. 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:33.000 But something went squarely and Melissica Seas was seen walking 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:37.359 down the road in Taos County, New Mexico. Then poof, 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:42.120 she's gone. As Melissica Cias went missing and became part 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:46.360 of this list of scientists. You know, we've had several 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:50.480 from New Mexico and California and in the Northeast. It's 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:55.519 amazing how there's these clusters of scientists and people associated 0:02:55.600 --> 0:03:02.120 with labs dealing with UFOs dealing with nuclear power and 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:03.800 alternative energy sources. 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:05.239 I mean, it's just amazing. 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.960 And in New Mexico there have been at least four, 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:15.600 maybe more workers associated with Los Alamos and the people 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:20.480 with security clearance that have gone missing. And Melissicaci As 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:25.440 the first found. Her skeletonized remains were found in an 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:29.720 area where her family says I thought we already searched 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:34.760 that area. The description is that Melissicasius was found. Her 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:39.720 skeletonized remains were found propped up against a tree with 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:46.120 a gun sitting next to her remains. This is an 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:50.080 amazing turn of events as we continue to try to 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:54.440 find out what happened to the scientists that are still 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:58.640 missing and how did some come to their end. Nancy, 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:02.400 this is incredible breaking news and we are following it. 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:07.640 Tonight, I'm calling in a death investigator, a renowned death investigator, 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:11.560 Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. He is 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:15.120 the author of Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon and 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.040 he's the star of a hit podcast, Bodybags with Joseph 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.200 Scott Morgan. What more can you tell us? 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:27.760 Well, yeah, I mean, it's not uncommon to find an 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:34.440 attact skeleton, and particularly in an arid environment where you 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.960 have the skeleton or the tissue that connects the skeleton 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:41.880 and it'll be in a desiccated state but still attached. 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.159 What is kind of intriguing though, is the fact that 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:50.160 her remains had not seen any kind of scavenging. And 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:53.240 this is very wild land out there. They are coyotes 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:57.480 in all manner of other animals that are out there 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:04.080 that would in fact gavage on human remains. The fact 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:09.000 that she's in a seated upright position slumped forward, if 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:13.120 we are to believe that we've heard thus far, again 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:18.520 not uncommon. I think in order to completely assess the scene, 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:23.200 I would I'd probably need to know more about the 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:29.240 immediate area around her and also kind of, if you will, 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.279 the surrounding area at the base. Because they're saying a tree. 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.679 I've also heard a wall too. I don't know where 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:37.599 that information came from, but it sounds like a tree. 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.160 It's in a wooded area, which is kind of curious, 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.360 you know, in this particular region of the country, right, 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.760 And so the position that she's in it does draw 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.720 my attention as a forensic investigator. I'd want to know more, though, 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:55.680 about the surrounding area. I want to know if there's 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.800 any signs of struggle in the dirt around that area, 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.680 and by this point time would there still be any 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.120 evidence of that. I think that that's very important as 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.880 well as a matter of fact. You know work countless 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.279 cases where the individual is still holding the weapon, you 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.279 do find them that they fall away. What's more compelling 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:18.400 about a gunshot wound is, first off, we don't know 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.320 the nature of the gunshot wound. Is this they're saying 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:26.200 gunshot wound of the head, Well, that's very generalized anatomically, 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:30.080 where is this round position the entrance round or the 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:36.799 entrance entrance wound? And also is it an intra oral 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.760 gunshot wound which means the muscle has been placed in 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:44.480 the mouth, or is it lateral which is kind of typical, 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:46.760 or is it more of an atypical thing where maybe 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:50.440 you'll have it on the posterier aspect, or you can 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:55.920 also have beneath or inferior to the chin as well. 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.479 So those are the areas you're looking at. The other 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:02.719 piece to this that's very very important. I have to say, 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.360 if this is not an intra oral gunshot, woman, that 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:13.360 means placement is here, here or here. Range of fire 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:17.360 is very very important because most of the time, when 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:20.440 you have self inflicted you're going to have what's referred 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:24.800 to as a press contact or tight contact, okay, in 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:29.000 order to facilitate this. This is just something people naturally 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:33.920 do when they're you know, doing self harm, fatal self 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:39.040 harm like this. If it the further the entrance women 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:44.120 migrates around posteriorly, the bigger the question mark gets. Okay, 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:48.640 And because it's contrary we see on television and those 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:52.160 sorts of things. If you've got some level of distance 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.400 between the end of the muzzle and the actual contact space, 0:07:55.560 --> 0:08:01.080 the further and further it moves away, the probably that 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:05.440 it is self inflicted decreases substantially. So range of fire 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:07.760 is going to be very important. And with skeletal remains 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.920 that can be be very very difficult to determine. If 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:15.560 there is no soft tissue or even the desiccated tissue, 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:19.440 we can actually you know, begin to begin to suss 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.080 that out as well. You know, we've heard that term before. 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:27.600 The sin you will still be intact, particularly in an 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:31.080 arid climate like in New Mexico. Okay, but yeah, the 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:35.040 clothing facilitates that the type of clothing, right, some of 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.880 these synthetics that tightly fit to the body like this, 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.200 some of the things that you would lose perhaps would 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.880 be some of the digits, some of the elements of 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:48.120 the hand, tinier bones. But again, if she's fully clothed, 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:53.960 you have containment right from a skeletal standpoint. And yes, yes, 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:55.960 I mean I think people are surprised to find out 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.400 that the head would still be president of the skull, 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:02.280 and yes, that does happen. Had countless, countless numbers of these. 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:06.080 So again we have to back up from the fantastical 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:08.079 things that we see in movies and those sorts of 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.440 things and look at the real science behind this and 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:15.120 again until we get more information. And really, the big 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:16.760 thing guys, I got to tell you got to look 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.240 out for in this case is when you see those 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.440 reports and they start talking about a range of fire, 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.000 that's going to be your key. That's what you want 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.480 to look to because that in that the tale will 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:29.360 be told. 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:39.960 I'm gonna be remiss if I did not mention physicist 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:45.120 brilliant physicist, doctor Ning Lee. She had been awarded four 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:49.360 hundred and fifty thousand dollars from the DoD and she 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:56.320 disappeared briefly. Then she was mowed down in a crosswalk. 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.040 Nobody else went out in the crosswalk, but she was 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:04.760 suddenly thrust into the crosswalk. She got mowed down. Her 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:10.600 husband immediately had a heart attack and later died. She 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:16.400 was brain dad and then later died. To Stephanie Harlow 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:21.959 joining us COOS Crime Weekly podcast, what can you tell 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.640 me about her? I know she's Chinese American, and I 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:29.400 know that she was brilliant, and I know nobody but 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:33.040 her ended up in that crosswalk when she got mowed down. 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:38.920 Doctor Ningley worked at the University of Alabama in Huntsville 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.600 and she was doing anti gravity work and research there. 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.360 She then left the university after a significant amount of 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.400 time there and she started her own business. And then 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.800 the government came calling and they gave her that grant 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:55.439 to work on continued anti gravity research, because this is Huntsville, 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:59.000 they do that stuff there as well as advanced propulsion research. 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:03.600 And then she started working with the government, and at 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.440 that point she kind of went dark, and there was 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.000 a big thing online for a while because people thought 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:09.800 she disappeared. 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.800 She was off the map for quite a bit. And 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:13.280 there was a. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.440 Journalist who was trying to find her to talk to 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.880 her about her research, and he couldn't find her, and 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:24.160 he reached out to another anti gravity researcher, Eugene Polannach, 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:27.080 and Eugene said, oh, she's working for the government. She 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.600 just can't talk to anybody about what she's doing right now. 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.200 But Eugene also said, I haven't been able to reach 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:39.040 her either. And it was several years later when this 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:43.760 same journalist finally tracked down doctor Ningli's son, and the 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.079 son said she had been a hit. She had been 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.800 in a terrible car accident which had left her with 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.600 permanent brain damage. She developed dementia, and then he took 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.760 care of her for several years until she finally passed 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:58.960 away from this. But she was never the same obviously, 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:00.120 she never went back to work. 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:05.560 You know what's interesting, Stephanie, is that doctor Lee has 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:11.680 been compared to Amelia Earhart. She is the Amelia Earhart 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:16.959 of physics, the scientists that many people say quote discovered 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:25.320 anti gravity. That's the significance of who is doctor ning Lee. 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:31.520 She is was brilliant, very quickly. I want to go 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:38.400 to John Nance, former Supervisory Special Agent FBI assigned to 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:43.280 DC and Miami. Got a question for you, John Nance, 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:50.040 explain the significance of anti gravity research as a lay person. 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:56.000 The best way I can describe it is, we obey 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:01.840 the laws of gravity. We understand them. Anti gravity research 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.360 as it relates to aircraft of any type, means that 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:11.599 an aircraft could go up down to the side tangential 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:18.000 any way it wished, and at speeds unlike anything we understand. 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:22.600 So how valuable is it? Did I capsualize it correctly? 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:28.760 Well, when you're talking about anti gravity or field propulsion systems, 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:33.280 you're not really talking about pushing a craft through space. 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:38.480 You're talking about actually moving space and time around a craft. 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.240 So a bubble is created. 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:42.960 And I don't know exactly how that. 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:44.760 I'm sure there are other people that could address that 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.960 up in much more technical terms than I can, but essentially, 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.960 a space time bubble is created around the craft if 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:56.960 such technology is actually available, and so you're actually moving 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:03.040 warping base and time around the craft. That's why they 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:07.120 appear to move in ways that are completely alien to 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:13.320 our understanding of physics, or at least material science. Anyway, 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.480 I think our physics can explain it, But our material 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.680 science is in no way capable at this point of 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:26.400 producing those that kind of performance. So I think, generally speaking, yes, 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:32.360 you're correct, but it's not the normal way of thinking about. 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.840 Like a jet engine works by sucking in air, producing 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.640 thrust and blowing that out the back of an engine. 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.359 That is not what we're talking about exactly. 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:48.040 Anti gravity craft is, I understand it, highly advanced aerospace 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:56.480 vehicles designed and they manipulate gravity fields for propulsion. The 0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:01.360 most cited example is the t R thirty eight Black Manta. 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:09.160 It's rumored to be a triangular nuclear powered spyplane using 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:15.480 accelerated pressurized mercury, and it creates a plasma based anti 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:21.480 gravity field around it. Just as John Nance was describing, 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:27.480 it's beyond what US regular trial lawyers are used to discussing. 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:32.440 But needless to say, back to Stephanie Harlow, co hostar 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:39.200 of Crime Weekly, it's incredibly valuable not just to our 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:45.960 defense but financially to our government, to whatever private entity 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:52.040 or corporation ultimately develops it. And there's high interest in 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:58.120 foreign entities regarding US research and anti gravity now. But 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.880 after being mowed down in a crosswall, and I keep 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:06.320 going back John Nance joining me, former supervisory special agent 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:10.800 with the FBI, to the fact that, for instance, in Manhattan, 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:13.640 everybody walks out into the street when they think that 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.240 they're not going to get run over. They don't look 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.880 at the walk don't walk signs okay. In this case 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:24.680 in Huntsville, nobody else stepped out in the crosswalk. Nobody 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:30.080 stepped out but her, and she got mode down, immediate 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:36.320 forever brain damage. She could never work as a physicist 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.240 again after that. 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.680 There are simply too many data points to think that 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:48.920 this is, you know, explainable by a coincidence. The the 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:52.640 the all these events that are surrounding especially these what 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:58.280 we're calling the anti grab technology, is us simply the 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:03.720 the the correlation is simply too strong to ignore. And 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.160 it kind of reminds me of some of the things 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.560 that the Bureau used to do back during the Cold War. 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:15.359 In fact, agents assigned to counterintelligence functions would often tail 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:20.720 KGB agents into the New York subway systems and quote 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.880 unquote give them a bump, so to speak, as an 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:28.439 intimidation tactic, kind of pushing them toward the. 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:30.800 Subway. 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:36.280 So what happened to her sounds, you know, hauntingly familiar 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:39.320 to that type of thing. Obviously, FBI agents weren't trying 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:44.399 to to to kill KGB agents, but you know, not 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:49.679 something that is certainly unheard of within intelligence or or 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:57.280 counterintelligence communities. So obviously incredibly suspicious. And we keep going 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:01.879 back to people who are involved in the UAP spear 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:07.160 or you know, more commonly known as the UFO sphere. 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.480 I think we've had three congressional hearings on this so far, 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:17.040 and Matthew Sullivan's case is extremely disturbing. You have an 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.640 individual that was getting ready to come forward and testify 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:26.639 before Congress about matters of incredibly sensitive intelligence value. So 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:31.639 I think that the FBI has has every cause to 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:36.320 be highly concerned. And also Representative birch Ed and Luna 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:40.880 have also been leading the charge on these matters as 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.959 well as Burls, and so you have incredibly credible people 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:49.000 who are very very concerned about all these matters. So 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.119 this isn't something to be taken lightly or to be 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:58.000 dismissed as crazy UFO talk. This implicates very very real 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:02.879 technologies and programs that have been a tested to you know, 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.720 crash retrieval programs that have been attested to under oath 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.760 for Congress. 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:15.399 Joining US. Tonight Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Matt. Dave Matt, 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.480 what more can you tell us, Nancy? 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:24.840 The body of nuclear lab worker Melissicasius found nearly eleven 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:29.240 months after she was reported missing with an apparent gunshot 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:34.480 wound to the head. Her decaying body is how it's described, 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:38.920 skeletonized remains found propped up against a tree in an 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:40.639 area that families say, hey. 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:41.400 We already looked there. 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.399 Melissica see us fifty four years old when she was 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:48.600 last seen, reported missing June twenty sixth of last year. 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:57.560 The remains discovered in McCaffrey Ridge area of the Carson 0:19:57.640 --> 0:19:58.399 National Forest. 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.080 Handgun found near the remains. 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:06.240 Investigators not publicly announcing a lot of information about the find, 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:10.520 but an investigator hired by the family believes foul play 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:16.520 involved in Melissicacia's death. And something to really pay attention 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:21.080 to here is that while her skeletonized remains are found 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:26.280 outside in the woods, propped up against a tree, but 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:31.240 there doesn't appear to be any type of animal scavenging 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:35.720 of her remains. This is not something that we hear 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:38.800 a lot of. I'm sure it's not as uncommon as 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:43.920 we think, but still skeletonized remains. Melissica Sea's body found 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:48.480 in the Carson National Forests in New Mexico. 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:56.520 As you all know by now, brilliant brilliant scientists. Frank 0:20:56.560 --> 0:21:00.680 Millburn joining us former British intelligence officer who knew Amy 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:04.520 very well and he spoke with Amy just hours before 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:08.119 her death. First of all, thank you for joining us tonight. 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:09.840 What more can you tell us? 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:13.400 Well, I think it's extremely concerning. I mean you had 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:17.359 a very mysterious circumstances around her previously, you know, leaving 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:22.440 her phone, leaving her documents behind, which is extremely worrying. 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:24.040 And if you're going on a hike, for example, and 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:25.600 you'd want to have that kit with you in case 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:27.280 something happened to you and you got her, you want 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:29.760 to be able to communicate with somebody. The fact that 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:33.320 she had financial problems is actually very very intriguing. It's 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:35.879 been speculated that maybe, okay, she didn't have access to 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:41.000 you high level information, but I'm just speculating here, going 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.879 out on a branch. If you were an adversarial intelligence service, 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.280 often people who have financial problems, even if they're what 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:51.040 you might call low hanging fruit, especially administrative positions. They 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:53.200 could give you low level information, but that it leads 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:55.240 to you know, who's coming in out of the lab, 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:58.119 who's working there, and all these types of things, so 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:00.720 that as an adversarial intelligence office, you can build up 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:02.560 these kind of pictures. Well, I mean that would be 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:05.040 a prime interest to for example, the Department of Energies 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:08.199 offices intelligence and count intelligence because you would be worried that, 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:12.120 you know, somebody has effectively a lever that hostile intelligence 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:15.320 service where they're all hostile, but an adversarial intelligence service 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:17.760 could actually use to try and gain access, to gain 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:20.479 further access, And that's a very common thing that comes up. 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:23.160 I mean, when you do your vetting, it's about your reliability, 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:25.919 your loyalty, and also you know, do you have drug problems, 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:28.080 do you have marital problems? Have you stepped out on 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:30.760 your husband or your spouse, do you have financial problems? 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:34.920 All these kind of things are exactly what account intelligence 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:38.040 investigator would take into account. I think Joseph was bang 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:41.400 on especially about Oh, he's obviously got expertise in the area, 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:43.679 but the ingress and egress roots that want to know 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:46.679 more about those with the terrain like you know, easy, 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:51.360 go slow, go hard go. If how did she get 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:54.760 in and if it wasn't her who actually put herself there, 0:22:55.440 --> 0:22:57.600 was there access for you know, like a quad bike 0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:00.280 or a horse or you know, where's the nearest that 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:03.399 you could park a vehicle effectively to get into those areas? 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:06.280 Also as well, i'd want to know, you know, that 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:08.600 you have to know more about the circumstances death. Is 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:11.600 it a suicide or is it a murder that staged 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:13.439 to look like a suicide. I think that's, you know, 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:15.720 that's a big question that we'd want to know. The 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:17.639 other thing I want to know as well about the 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:21.719 weapon is if it were if it Weren't'm speculating here, 0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:24.800 an extraneous weapon, are not one that was associated with 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:27.159 her or her family, or something that she could have 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:29.320 got her hands on easily, or that somebody could have 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:32.640 got their hands on and staged with the body. I'd 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:35.360 want to know if the barrel had been cleaned before firing, 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:38.200 if there were, say, excessive oil residue on the body, 0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:42.800 because and again I'm speculating here, but professional operators, former 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:45.200 military people, and military people they always tend to clean 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:48.040 the barrel before firing. It's just like a habit, because 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:50.000 you don't want to have smoke, excess smoke come out 0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:52.080 of the barrel, which could give your position away. Okay, 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:55.040 that's like a professional point. So that's what i'd want 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:57.720 to know. But I find obviously I don't have access 0:23:57.720 --> 0:23:59.840 to the forensics, and I don't have access to you 0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:02.480 know what the FBI and the Department of Energy count 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:05.600 intelligence people are saying about the wider picture surrounding her, 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:08.199 so that those are all key things. So beyond that, 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:09.520 it's really speculation for me. 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:19.720 Back to lou Alessando joining US former US Army counter 0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:26.360 intelligence special agent, former director Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. 0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:31.360 You have refused in the past to give me the 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:38.280 name Kevin Childress, but I found it elsewhere. Kevin Childress, 0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:41.840 and correct me if I am wrong. Was set to 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:50.960 have a meeting describing very very sensitive scientific information. He 0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:54.439 was going to Congress and talking about what was in 0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:59.800 the UAP files, and then suddenly he's found dead on 0:24:59.840 --> 0:25:06.600 a sofa and there was never an autopsy. What can 0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:11.480 you tell me about Kevin Childress other than he was brilliant. 0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:12.520 That much I already know. 0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:15.600 Sure, Well, Nancy, thank you very much for having me 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:20.360 certainly an honor and privilege. You're absolutely correct. Kevin Childress 0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:23.919 was a senior special Agent with the Department of Energy, 0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:26.040 and as you continue to look at some of these 0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:28.840 other cases, there are definitely ties. When you're talking about 0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:32.920 a national laboratory, they're always tied with the Department of Energy, 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:36.640 and so in this particular case, Special Agent Kevin Childress 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:39.560 was a special Agent in charge. He was there at 0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:42.320 headquarters with the Department of Energy, and he had reached 0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:44.600 out to me. This is right after I left the Pentagon, 0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.040 and he was very concerned. He said, Look, the Department 0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:50.480 of Energy has a significant role in the UAP business, 0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:54.439 and I'm pretty upset by what I have access to. 0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:57.080 And now that I've raised it through my chain of command, 0:25:57.520 --> 0:26:00.960 I feel that the Department of Energy is is trying 0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:04.280 to keep me quiet. So I'm worried about that. But 0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:06.600 there is there's a lot of information, this is what 0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:08.639 he's saying, that I have access to, and I would 0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:12.639 love a chance to talk to somebody in Congress about it. 0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:15.040 So I was in the process of arranging a meeting 0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:20.120 between Special Agent Kevin Childres and some members of Congress 0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:25.560 back in the twenty twenty twenty one time frame, and 0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:29.000 to spare the you know, the family there that I 0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:32.360 want to be cognizant of their privacy. Let's just say 0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:35.760 his spouse is extremely well trained in the medical field. 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:40.000 And I think it was a surprise to everybody. He 0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:43.280 had left. She had left for work that morning, he 0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:46.520 seemed fine. She came home that evening and he was 0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:51.320 dead on the sofa. And clearly I would had some 0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:54.720 some surprise as well when I heard this news. But 0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:57.560