WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: How The Moonwalk Works 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:05.320 Hi, everybody, Are you moonwalking right now? Well, it's Saturday, 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:08.280 so you know I'm moonwalking and this is my Saturday 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:12.039 select PI from July one, two thousand sixteen. How the 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:18.720 Moonwalk Works. Give it a listen right now. Welcome to 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.400 Stuff you should know, a production of I Heart Radios. 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:29.640 How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.159 Josh Clark. There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, and Jerry. So 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:39.440 it's just moonwalk right in this joint. Can you moonwalk? Now? 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.600 I think everybody at the Bellhouse on June knows I 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:48.400 can moonwalk. Okaynot I didn't moonwalk, but I think you 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.400 could just based based on my moves, you could. You 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.080 could make the assumption that I'm an awesome moonwalker. I've 0:00:54.080 --> 0:01:00.200 seen your moonwalk. It's you know, herky jerky, you know. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:02.640 It's that kind of moonwalk that guys like us do. 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:05.479 I don't understand, you know, he kind of it kind 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:08.080 of simulates the moonwalk. I see, you know what I mean. 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.120 It's a it's an echo of a moonwalk. I wouldn't 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:15.720 call it smooth and floaty, oh I would. Yeah, now 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.080 I know, And it's not a great moonwalk. It's right. 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:22.000 I never learned the moonwalk because I didn't try to 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:26.440 practice the moonwalk more than like once, and I was like, 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:30.280 I can't do that. Oh yeah, I just bailed on 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.840 it like my brother practiced and got okay at it. 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:35.840 I'm surprised he didn't, like, Yes, teach it as a 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:39.440 class for free to children in need. No, he got uh, 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.880 he got okay at it. Um. But I just I 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.040 don't know if I think I bail on things that 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:51.920 aren't easy for me. Well, that's definitely a candidate for that. Um. Yeah, 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:53.680 I think that's a trait I have. I don't like 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:55.840 to spend a lot of time on something that I 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.360 don't think i'm good at. I'm not one of those like, no, man, 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.680 I'm gonna try the moonwalk until I learned it. I see. 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:02.800 I was like, maybe I just im not a moonwalker. 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:05.360 Didn't you? Didn't you say you bail on books too 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:07.920 that don't like capture your attention at this point in 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:10.840 your life? Was that you? I don't think I said that, 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:14.360 but I I didn't say that. Okay, but will you 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.800 work your way through a book? Well, I'll give it 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:21.480 a fair shot. It's been a while since I bailed 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.240 on a book though, because I usually just pick good 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:29.240 books like that. I know we're really good. Uh. I 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:30.840 don't know how long I give a book. How long 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:34.840 do you give a book? I will give a book 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:41.760 two pages, yeah, but like three or four times? Right? Like, 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.240 what am I missing? Let me try that again. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.160 that's fair. I just write a book called Headful of Ghosts, 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:51.120 which is pretty neat. It's like a psychological thriller. Huh. 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:55.160 I haven't read a fiction booking forever, and then right 0:02:55.160 --> 0:03:00.120 now either I'm reading the right stuff, the classic and 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.600 it's so that I think Tom Wolf might be the 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:08.480 greatest reporter of all time. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:13.760 don't think there's anybody better our buddy Joe Randazzoh oh yeah. 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.560 Of at midnight Fame people are like, wait a minute, 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:19.680 I thought he was at the Onion. Now he's at 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:23.200 at midnight. He used to work at the Onion. Uh. 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.680 He just recommended a book which I'm really interested in 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:28.680 that I wanted to tell you about because it sounds 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:34.800 like it's right up your alley, called Sapiens, A Brief 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:40.680 History of Humankind by you've all Noah Harari and the 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:47.800 it has has a pretty remarkable thesis, which is that 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:53.800 humans can Humans didn't kill each other off because they 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:58.480 can cooperate in large numbers because we have an ability, 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:04.840 a unique ability animals don't have two believe in things 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:09.880 that exist only in our imagination, huh, like government and 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.160 money and god. And he said, all of these things 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:15.480 allow us to cooperate. Like we talked about in our 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.479 money episode, it's like money has that paper has no value. 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:21.920 We just all agreed. So it's essentially fiction, the cold 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.600 concept of money. It's just something we've all agreed on. 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.919 And he said, is it's this cooperation by believing in 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:32.000 these fictional things that is the only reason that humans 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.599 didn't kill each other off like you know, any other 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:38.080 weird species. Yeah, I've got to check that out. They said, 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.080 it sounds super interesting, and he said it was amazing, 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.159 So and thank you for relating that. Yeah, I want to. 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:46.120 Maybe you should read it and just tell me about it, 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.359 because I'm still have never read four Man. I'm a 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.279 fiction reader. I try to. I try to read nonfiction 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:53.800 in it. I don't know, I just like a good 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:58.400 fictional yarn more. I'm I'm quite the opposite. Like I 0:04:58.440 --> 0:04:59.880 told you, I want to be a civil War buff. 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.840 I got one of those huge books that's supposed to 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:08.000 be great and I just can't do it. Like The Moonwalk, 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.480 you don't like fiction. I do like it, it's just 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.600 for the so much of the time I'm reading for 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.640 work that see. I think he would enjoy fiction as 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:23.440 a break. Well, that's why I read Headfellow Ghosts. I 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:25.359 was like, I'm reading a fiction book. I need to 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.400 just like read something different and use my imagination again. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.480 And um it worked. It was like it had an 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.800 effect on me. What was that? What was it? Yeah? 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.720 What was it about? It was about a girl who 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.720 may or may not be possessed and like how our 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:45.560 family unravels around her. Is it like poplit? I don't 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.800 know that. It's you know, like easy to read. Dean 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.560 Kountz and oh no, no it was. It was a 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.960 little more literary than that, and I wish I'm sorry 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.400 to the author who who wrote the book. I don't 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.880 remember the dude's name, but yeah, he does a good job. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.280 I'm sorry to Dean Koons and John Grisham. All of 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:05.800 a sudden, Uh, they know, they know what they are. 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.480 Let's guys know what they are. Oh, Dean Kontz Man, 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:12.240 that guy's imagination is fantastic. Jan I always assumed that 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:16.000 he was better than Stephen King because he could finish 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:21.960 the story. I've never read a Stephen King book, Chuck, what, 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.800 I don't read a lot of that stuff. Okay. I 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.560 read one Dean Kunt's book in my early twenties and 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.880 one night. That's the only time I've ever done that. Well, yeah, 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:33.640 that was a good thing about it. Kuon's bookcase. You 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.159 can go through it like crazy. Started reading it like 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.159 eight or nine and I stopped at like five in 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.480 the morning. But each one is way different than the others, 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.760 I mean, really differently. The guy's got a great imagination. 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.960 You should read some of Stephen King's work, Like I 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:51.799 know he is. He's he's so unfairly I was actually 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.120 talking to Hodgman about this the other day. He's like, 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:59.039 very unfairly criticized as a hack, but he's actually, oh yeah, 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.200 a lot of people are student could sucks. But if 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.480 you just because he's so prolific and because he very 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:11.400 famously has trouble finishing a story, yeah, but he's like 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.480 nobody can get inside the mind, like the dark side 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.920 of a person's the average person's mind better than Stephen King. 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.640 He's just a he's a great storyteller, aside from the 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.080 ending part. So what's the Shining is probably the one 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:28.440 I should read? Probably not because you're so used to 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:32.640 Kubrick's shining and it's just so radically that's the big one, right, 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:34.680 that's a big one. I've never read the stand I 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:38.400 would start with the short stories. They're fantastic. Those he 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:42.360 can finish. It's the largest what do you mean not finish? 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.520 Like just amazing build up, and then the resolutions, like, 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.400 so he finishes, you just mean it's okay, right, it's 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:52.000 it's not left unfinished. It's the resolution is um the 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:56.040 payoff is not so great. Yeah, interesting, and it's still fine, 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:59.120 but it's he's so good at building things up that 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.840 it's almost it would be almost impossible to finish it. 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:06.160 I don't know if we should call this beginning book 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:11.120 talk with Josh and Chuck or patting the episode you 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.920 want to talk a moonwalk? Yeah, we needed a little something. 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.760 This is a short one. Well, you were saying that 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.160 you were like you just couldn't do it because this 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:22.400 is Let me let me tell you how I approached 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:27.320 the moonwalk. All right, my left hand was covered in 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.920 a white glove was sequence sewn on that my mom 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.120 made for me. Did you really wearing the thriller jacket 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.280 a little black pants. Yeah, that's how my moon walked. 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.120 I was still not that great at it. You were, 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.719 you were in man, this is so in my wheelhouse. Yeah, yeah, 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:47.440 I wasn't. I mean I listened to pop music, but 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:51.480 I was also the influenced by my well he's now 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.480 my brother in law, but the General. The General started 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.960 dating my sister when I was twelve, okay, so like 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.600 he was always around and he was like, you're twelve 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:01.280 years old old. You need to listen to the Almond 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:04.960 Brothers and Leonard Skinnered and Molly Hatchett and Blackfoot in 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:09.960 the Atlanta Rhythm section back the Doobie Brothers, like heck yeah. 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.400 But I also listened to the American Top forty every week. So, 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.120 I mean I was an MTV. I was glued to 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.400 So you can't be glued to MTV and not like 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:22.080 digest ing some of that stuff. But I was never 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:27.880 never owned parachute pants or anything. But so that was 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.760 the only sequence thing I ever owned. But that's very 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:32.680 sweet that your mom did that. I think so too. 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.280 It was a very sweet gesture. Um. But I think 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.440 one of the other reasons the moonwalk spoke to me 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.760 and I didn't realize it until researching this article chuck 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:47.240 that I was also super into break dancing at the time, 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.160 and the moonwalk is actually not a breaking move. It's 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:56.520 a popping move. But for all but actual breaking and 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.880 popping dancers, it was the same thing. Yeah, I don't 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:02.040 I don't see how it's a popping move. I saw 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:03.920 that in the article and I couldn't put it together. 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.320 Becoming is so herky jerky, and a good moonwalk is 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:13.760 so smooth and buttery. Well, so locking is herky jerky? Right, Well, no, 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:17.560 popping is too popping? Is that? Like? Yeah, but it's 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:21.160 also I wish this is really not good for audio, 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:23.120 but it's also so you know, the one where you 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.720 hold out one hand and make a wave the wave 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.080 goes through your body to the other hand. The class 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.960 of popping is it? Yeah? And I was like, okay, 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:34.440 all but the worms popping wrong? The worms are breaking move. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:38.320 I clearly don't know, but the average person who's who's 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:43.120 doing these dances is probably popping, locking and breaking. Yeah, 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.400 it all kind of worked out at the same time. Yeah. 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.400 And and I know we covered breakdancing some in the 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:52.480 hip hop episode, but we should do it total breakdance, 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.920 like give it its full do okay, and we're gonna 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.560 call it the total Breakdance episode. But we I mean, 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:01.839 we gotta cover some of it here because there's there's 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.439 there's such a basis of it in the Moonwalk, or 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:08.800 the Moonwalk cast such a basis in it. But the 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.960 Moonwalk goes even further back then popping and locking, which 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.240 we'll talk about in a minute. It goes all the 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.880 way back to the thirties. Should we take a break? 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:37.199 Oh man? Yes, you know, stop all right. Josh just 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:39.280 taught me how a moonwalking. Now I'm great at it. Yeah. 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:43.080 And this I can't remember what that's called. The wave 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:45.920 the waves where you stand up at a baseball game. 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.520 So what is this? I don't know. I mean, people 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.640 that don't know what Josh is doing right now are 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.800 probably frustrated. But it's that you know that move you 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.319 do where you wave the one arm and it goes 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.520 to your body and the other arm waves and then 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:03.920 you to your friend. Yes, that's a popping move. Is 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:08.160 it body popping? Clearly doesn't. I don't know what popping means. 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.479 I think the name is a bit of a misnomer. Yeah, 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:18.000 probably all right, And by the way, people, you might 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:19.920 as well get to this. I'm not gonna be able 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:24.280 to gush much about Michael Jackson because I'm one of 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.640 the people who thinks he'd did bad things in his 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.840 private life. So if you don't hear me talking about 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.480 how awesome he is, that's why I have a hard 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.920 time separating the art from the artist. Well you want 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:37.920 to throw it out there, man, if you believe that, 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:42.520 how could you? I'm unconvinced at this point. All right, 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:47.199 But I mean seeing my own a. Yeah, that's a 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:51.000 good one, good one. A bunch of people are like, 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.760 that's what c o am covering my own a. Speaking 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.120 for myself anyway, if you hear a little bit of 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:01.560 like callousness in my voice, that's that's why. So uh, 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:06.600 going back in time, Uh, it was not invented by 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.200 that man. It was like you said, it goes back 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.839 to the nineteen thirties. If you look on the YouTube's 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:15.640 they're like history of the Moonwalk, you will see a 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:20.800 nice video that shows the evolution of this dance, starting 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:24.520 with Cab Callaway in the nineteen thirties doing something called 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:28.240 the Buzz. The Great band Leader Jazz big band Leader. 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:32.520 He remains unaccused of anything. He was also awesome in 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.839 the Blues Brothers. Oh yeah, wow, he was still around 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.160 for that. That's right. I forgot about that about fifty 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:41.120 years on. Yeah. Uh so in the nineteen thirties he 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.080 did something called the Buzz and it was a little 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.839 more herky jerky and not as smooth. Then there was 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:50.240 something that this article mentions called the camel walk, which 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.960 I looked into, or the collegiate walk that like Sammy 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.280 Davis Jr. Did in this video. I don't think it 0:13:56.280 --> 0:14:00.240 looks anything like the moonwalk, not really. I think going 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.640 forward first of all, right, which is a big one, 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:06.280 and it's cool. It's a cool move. Sure, James Brown 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.440 dares Sammy to do it. Sam He's like, all right, 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:12.800 I'll do it and awesome. So, boy, could you imagine 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:16.040 being in that audience, man, Sammy Davis Jr. And James 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:17.560 Brown on the same stage. I know, who do we 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:23.400 have now? Bieber and whoever else? I don't even know 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:32.400 him Bieber and Bieber it's a nightmare group. Yeah, so uh, sorry, man, 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.680 we saw old. You're you're not old because we're trash 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:40.600 and Justin Bieber, you're just saying it's a jerk. You know, 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:42.480 he really has done a lot of stuff to say 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:44.800 to earn that. Yeah, it's not like he's some like 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.920 super nice guy. People are just unfair to like look 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:50.600 at some of the videos and like peeing in a 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.240 bucket in a restaurant. Did you ever see that one? No? 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:56.800 I heard about that one though. That's wrong with Well. 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.280 I think he's just too much wealth and not enough 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:02.440 guidance end and probably too much booze and stuff. I 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.360 think maybe he might be somewhat reformed now, but really 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:07.680 I think he's grown up a little bit. But I 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.560 don't follow it that closely. I see just the p 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.120 and the bucket thing. Yeah, I mean that was enough 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:17.000 to turn me off forever. Win him back, Justin went 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:22.480 him back, good luck. So we're talking about the walk 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.400 or the camel walk, right, so, um, you were saying 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.360 it doesn't look like a moonwalk. In fact, it looks 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.960 kind of like a reverse moonwalk sort of. But the 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:35.119 point is it was it's somebody Sammy Davis Jr. Floating. 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.880 Their feet are floating a little bit. They appear to 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:41.760 be floating while they move. All right, So it's related 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.360 to the moonwalk, right, I'll give you that. The one 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.800 that's like dead on though, is Bill Bailey in nineteen 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.120 fifty five full on moonwalks off the stage. Yeah, in 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.520 nineteen at the Apollo. Yeah. And there's a great video, 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.240 and it's at the very end of the video, but 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.680 I urge you to not just skip to the end, 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:04.440 because you've got two or three minutes of some sweet, 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.840 sweet tap dancing, which I didn't realize how much I 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.400 loved until I saw this guy and he was supposedly 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.800 trained by Mr bo Jangles himself. Really, Ye, that was 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:16.880 a real person. Yeah. I don't remember his name, but 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.720 it was bow Jangles. Yeah. I love tap dancing. I 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:21.320 didn't know it, and I watched this sounds like, Man, 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.640 that's amazing. You should go see Gregory Hines. Is he 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:28.800 still doing it? Probably there's no way. He's just like 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:33.240 I'm done tapping. Yeah, tap was life for that guy. Yeah, 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.520 I mean that stuff is amazing. And what's the guy's name? 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:42.120 I can't remember? Well, I did see that movie. Um, 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:46.800 there was a guy uh savvyon Glover. Oh I know 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.640 you're talking about like much more recent Yeah, like mean 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:53.040 mean tap dancer. Yeah, like he just shouted insults while 0:16:53.080 --> 0:17:02.680 he was He looks stupid. But watch me dance. So 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:08.119 Bill Bailey in nineteen fifty five, like legit moonwalked, and um, 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.719 it's hard to say like he's the guy that invented it, 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:14.639 because dance, like any art form, is just borrowed and 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:18.600 changed and morphs along the years to where I don't 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.560 know that anyone can specifically say, like Bill Bailey might 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.800 have seen it from someone else. I've been like, that's 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:27.680 a hot move. Yeah, he seems like the type of 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.760 um talent that he could have come up within himself. Yeah. Sure. 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:37.399 But what's weird, Chuck, is that that's apparently where it 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:41.240 went and died. Like he created the moonwalk and it's 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.800 stopped with him for a while. Sure. No, if you 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.200 go back in the history of it, the people who 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.119 popularized the moonwalk didn't know that he had done that. 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:52.960 Oh yeah, yeah, I see what you mean. So simultaneously, 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:56.720 there's also some movement that's similar called the air walk, 0:17:56.800 --> 0:18:00.679 but it's mine. Yeah, like Marcel mars I was walking 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.120 against the wind, very famous mime routine where his feet 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:08.120 are floating. It's called air walking, and it's strictly mine, right. Yeah. 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.240 The difference between that and the moonwalk is that they're 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:15.120 stationary and acting like they're walking forward and the wind 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.679 is blowing them, but they're not going backwards. It's but 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:21.439 it's also not part of a dance either, correct, some 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.520 don't dance. This is but this is a weird little 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.879 thing that I didn't realize. There was apparently a mime. 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:32.200 There's a period of the seventies where mimes were cool. 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:35.639 Did you know that? Yeah, I mean that was I 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.359 remember watching Childs and Yarnell as a kid on television 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.159 on major network TV. I was all brainstem at the 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.280 time because I was totally unaware of that. Yeah, miming 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.880 was a big deal and that like I would practice that. Okay, 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:51.320 okay a little bit so not for years, but yeah, 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:55.360 I practice miming. Well, a bizarre period of American pop culture. 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:59.200 Oh yeah, Shields and Yard. Now this mime couple had 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:02.359 a or they two dudes are a man and a woman. 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.840 I think they were married. Um that they they had 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:09.280 their own TV show. Yeah, Shields and Yardell was watched 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:12.320 apparently by a lot of people, including you. It was 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:16.320 also watched by a dude named Jeffrey Daniel. Yeah, man, 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:22.280 Jeffrey Daniel was a great dancer, probably still is he is? Uh. 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.600 Not only was he on Solid Gold, he was in 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:30.400 the band Shalomar with Jody Whatley. Yeah, Jody Whatley and um. 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:33.680 Shalomar was created by the great Don Cornelius of Soul 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:36.560 Train h R I P I believe did he die 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.960 a few years ago? And uh, Gary Mumford was the 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.160 original singer and then on album number two, Gerald Brown 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:47.879 took over, like you said, with Jody Whatley of Shaalomar 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.560 Fame I guess and then later on her own Fame. 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:52.679 Yeah she was. She had her own solo career, right 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:57.399 and uh and this guy Jeffrey Daniel, Right, So Jeffrey 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:01.159 Danielson in the Sheets remember that hit, Yes, this great 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:05.960 Footloose soundtrack song Dancing in the Sheets, dude, dude, and 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:08.560 that that was the eighties. The eighties stuff they you know, 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:10.520 came around in the seventies with more disco. It was 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:15.080 super disco e to start with. Um, but this dude 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:17.560 Jeffrey Daniels, who was in Shelamore, who's also a solid 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:21.960 Gold dancer. He had a pretty awesome move called the backslide, 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:26.119 and when you watch him backslide, uh, he's he's moonwalking. 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:29.960 It's total total moonwalk. It totally is and um. Later 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.359 on he was interviewed like where did you get this? 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:35.560 Where you know where? Where you know where did you 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:37.639 come up with the idea? He's like, I was super 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:42.000 into Shields and Yarnelle at the time, So miming influenced 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:44.639 the backslide, which, as we'll find out in a second, 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.640 directly led to the moonwalk. And we'll get to that 0:20:48.000 --> 0:21:07.919 finally after this. Alright, Chuck, we're back. Yes, Jeffrey daniel 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:10.560 I watched that interview that's on the YouTube. It was 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:14.160 on a British talk show called Soccer a m of 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:17.040 the two thousand seven Things. Yeah, they had him on 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:20.399 Soccer Am. Apparently it's not just about sports, but they 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:25.680 have like comedy bits and pop culture stuff. Uh. So 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:28.520 he was surprised. On that show. They showed the clip 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:33.040 of of Bailey in the in the fifties and he 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:36.040 was like, what's that. He's like, I've never even seen 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:40.040 that he was surprised to see that someone was legit moonwalking, 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:44.480 you know whatever, fifties something years earlier. Yeah, the same move. 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:47.639 It's not like, oh, that's kind of close, like maybe 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:50.800 the camel walk or um, the buzz like Cab calloway. 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:53.120 It was a moonwalk. It was the moonwalk. But that's 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:56.040 what I'm saying, That's what's so bizarre is that this 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:59.280 guy invented the moonwalk in ve and it began and 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:03.840 ended with him. Um, and it took mimes getting a 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:07.960 TV show to create the moonwalk as we understand it today, 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:12.320 different about it. Talk about chaos theory, you know what 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:14.879 I'm saying though, like other people could have influenced the 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.440 mimes that knew about Bill Bailey like it. Guess, I 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:20.680 guess that's entirely possible. But Marcel Marceau was doing the 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:24.000 air walk as far back as the thirties before Bill Bailey. 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:29.080 Was he around in the thirties from what I understand, Okay, 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:31.280 which is weird because well, he was pretty old when 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:33.680 in the seventies when he hit it big. So yeah, 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:35.439 I think then he was doing it in the thirties 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:38.840 because that's what this article says in it. I didn't 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:43.080 find anything. I didn't find any footage of him from 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:44.760 the thirties, like all of it seemed to be from 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:48.280 the seventies or early eighties, well, the heyday of mimes. Also, 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:51.840 I was curious why people hate mimes and did little 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:54.480 research and of course there's no no like definitive thing. 0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:58.240 It's not like a phobia now. But everything I saw 0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:00.159 I came down to a few things. They look like 0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:02.760 clowns in clowns. We did a whole episode on that, 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:08.520 and uh, the silent thing seems to bug people. And 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:12.160 then just the notion that there, you know, they'll get 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:14.880 up all in your face in the park. You're out 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:16.800 just enjoying your day and a mom will come up 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:20.240 and be like, you know, to start doing their like 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:22.960 intruding upon you to do their act, which I don't 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:24.919 even know is I don't even know if that's the 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:29.080 case over there. Oh it is, believe me. Yeah, mine's 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:35.240 very intrusive, like to start static and finish it. Uh 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:38.040 So back to Jeffrey Daniel, He's dancing on Soul Train, 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:40.560 He's dancing on Solid Gold. There's another couple of dancers 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:46.000 name Jeron Casper, candidate Great name and Derek Cooley Jackson 0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:50.119