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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Are you moonwalking right now? Well, it's Saturday,

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Speaker 1: so you know I'm moonwalking and this is my Saturday

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Speaker 1: select PI from July one, two thousand sixteen. How the

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Speaker 1: Moonwalk Works. Give it a listen right now. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Stuff you should know, a production of I Heart Radios.

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Speaker 1: How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Josh Clark. There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, and Jerry. So

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Speaker 1: it's just moonwalk right in this joint. Can you moonwalk? Now?

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Speaker 1: I think everybody at the Bellhouse on June knows I

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Speaker 1: can moonwalk. Okaynot I didn't moonwalk, but I think you

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Speaker 1: could just based based on my moves, you could. You

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Speaker 1: could make the assumption that I'm an awesome moonwalker. I've

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Speaker 1: seen your moonwalk. It's you know, herky jerky, you know.

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Speaker 1: It's that kind of moonwalk that guys like us do.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand, you know, he kind of it kind

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Speaker 1: of simulates the moonwalk. I see, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's an echo of a moonwalk. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: call it smooth and floaty, oh I would. Yeah, now

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Speaker 1: I know, And it's not a great moonwalk. It's right.

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Speaker 1: I never learned the moonwalk because I didn't try to

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Speaker 1: practice the moonwalk more than like once, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: I can't do that. Oh yeah, I just bailed on

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Speaker 1: it like my brother practiced and got okay at it.

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised he didn't, like, Yes, teach it as a

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Speaker 1: class for free to children in need. No, he got uh,

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Speaker 1: he got okay at it. Um. But I just I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I think I bail on things that

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Speaker 1: aren't easy for me. Well, that's definitely a candidate for that. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a trait I have. I don't like

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Speaker 1: to spend a lot of time on something that I

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Speaker 1: don't think i'm good at. I'm not one of those like, no, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try the moonwalk until I learned it. I see.

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Speaker 1: I was like, maybe I just im not a moonwalker.

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Speaker 1: Didn't you? Didn't you say you bail on books too

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Speaker 1: that don't like capture your attention at this point in

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Speaker 1: your life? Was that you? I don't think I said that,

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Speaker 1: but I I didn't say that. Okay, but will you

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Speaker 1: work your way through a book? Well, I'll give it

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Speaker 1: a fair shot. It's been a while since I bailed

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Speaker 1: on a book though, because I usually just pick good

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Speaker 1: books like that. I know we're really good. Uh. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how long I give a book. How long

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Speaker 1: do you give a book? I will give a book

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Speaker 1: two pages, yeah, but like three or four times? Right? Like,

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Speaker 1: what am I missing? Let me try that again. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's fair. I just write a book called Headful of Ghosts,

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Speaker 1: which is pretty neat. It's like a psychological thriller. Huh.

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Speaker 1: I haven't read a fiction booking forever, and then right

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Speaker 1: now either I'm reading the right stuff, the classic and

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Speaker 1: it's so that I think Tom Wolf might be the

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Speaker 1: greatest reporter of all time. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's anybody better our buddy Joe Randazzoh oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: Of at midnight Fame people are like, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: I thought he was at the Onion. Now he's at

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Speaker 1: at midnight. He used to work at the Onion. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He just recommended a book which I'm really interested in

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Speaker 1: that I wanted to tell you about because it sounds

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Speaker 1: like it's right up your alley, called Sapiens, A Brief

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Speaker 1: History of Humankind by you've all Noah Harari and the

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Speaker 1: it has has a pretty remarkable thesis, which is that

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Speaker 1: humans can Humans didn't kill each other off because they

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Speaker 1: can cooperate in large numbers because we have an ability,

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Speaker 1: that exist only in our imagination, huh, like government and

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Speaker 1: money episode, it's like money has that paper has no value.

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Speaker 1: We just all agreed. So it's essentially fiction, the cold

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Speaker 1: And he said, is it's this cooperation by believing in

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Speaker 1: these fictional things that is the only reason that humans

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Speaker 1: didn't kill each other off like you know, any other

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Speaker 1: weird species. Yeah, I've got to check that out. They said,

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Speaker 1: it sounds super interesting, and he said it was amazing,

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Speaker 1: So and thank you for relating that. Yeah, I want to.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you should read it and just tell me about it,

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Speaker 1: because I'm still have never read four Man. I'm a

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Speaker 1: I got one of those huge books that's supposed to

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Speaker 1: And um it worked. It was like it had an

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Speaker 1: effect on me. What was that? What was it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What was it about? It was about a girl who

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Speaker 1: may or may not be possessed and like how our

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Speaker 1: Kountz and oh no, no it was. It was a

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Speaker 1: Let's guys know what they are. Oh, Dean Kontz Man,

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Speaker 1: that guy's imagination is fantastic. Jan I always assumed that

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Speaker 1: he was better than Stephen King because he could finish

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Speaker 1: I don't read a lot of that stuff. Okay. I

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Speaker 1: I mean, really differently. The guy's got a great imagination.

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Speaker 1: know he is. He's he's so unfairly I was actually

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Speaker 1: He's just a he's a great storyteller, aside from the

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Speaker 1: ending part. So what's the Shining is probably the one

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Speaker 1: Kubrick's shining and it's just so radically that's the big one, right,

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Speaker 1: can finish. It's the largest what do you mean not finish?

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Speaker 1: Like just amazing build up, and then the resolutions, like,

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Speaker 1: talk with Josh and Chuck or patting the episode you

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Speaker 1: want to talk a moonwalk? Yeah, we needed a little something.

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Speaker 1: This is a short one. Well, you were saying that

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Speaker 1: a little black pants. Yeah, that's how my moon walked.

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Speaker 1: I was still not that great at it. You were,

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Speaker 1: he was always around and he was like, you're twelve

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Rhythm section back the Doobie Brothers, like heck yeah.

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Speaker 1: digest ing some of that stuff. But I was never

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Speaker 1: sweet that your mom did that. I think so too.

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Speaker 1: It was a very sweet gesture. Um. But I think

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Speaker 1: and I didn't realize it until researching this article chuck

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Speaker 1: that I was also super into break dancing at the time,

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Speaker 1: and the moonwalk is actually not a breaking move. It's

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Speaker 1: so smooth and buttery. Well, so locking is herky jerky? Right, Well, no,

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Speaker 1: there's such a basis of it in the Moonwalk, or

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Speaker 1: Moonwalk goes even further back then popping and locking, which

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Speaker 1: way back to the thirties. Should we take a break?

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Speaker 1: Oh man? Yes, you know, stop all right. Josh just

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Speaker 1: taught me how a moonwalking. Now I'm great at it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And this I can't remember what that's called. The wave

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Speaker 1: So what is this? I don't know. I mean, people

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Speaker 1: probably frustrated. But it's that you know that move you

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Speaker 1: about a year later, almost exactly a year later, UM

419
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Speaker 1: NBC broadcast this special called Motown Big Retrospective, and it

420
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: was a huge, huge thing. Um Diana Ross did her

421
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: first appearance with the Supreme since nineteen sixty nine. Marvin

422
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: Gaye played um that there was a battle of the

423
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: bands between the Temptations and the Four Tops Stevie Wonder, Um,

424
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody wanted like a soccer game. Um, And

425
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson comes out right, and people like, who's he?

426
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he was pretty big at the time. Of

427
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,959
Speaker 1: course he was. He was huge, but so was Marvin

428
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: Gaye and the Four Tops and Stevie Wonder. Right, Michael

429
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: Jackson comes out and brings the house down. And one

430
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: of the reasons he brought the house down was because

431
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: he was doing Billy Jean, which when the thing came out,

432
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: was the number one song in America. But during the

433
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: dance he did the moonwalk, and it was the first

434
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: time basically anybody who had seen uh had ever seen

435
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: the moonwalk. Yeah, like, like no one in America watching

436
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: this NBC special had been watching Top of the Pops.

437
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: They made a scene stuff on solid gold here and there,

438
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: But it was definitely like a mind blower for because

439
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: it was such a widely watched special for sure. Um, well,

440
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: here's the deal. He was taught the moonwalk depends on

441
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: who you asked. Some people say he sought out Daniel

442
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: said you teach me. Other people say no, it was

443
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: Casper Candidate or Coolie Jackson. But from what I gather it,

444
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: it sounds like all those guys eventually worked with him

445
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: over the years as like either choreographers or choreographer slash

446
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: backup dancers. So he he learned it from some or

447
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: all of those people. Yeah, Like um Daniel choreographed like

448
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: his Smooth Criminal video, and Coolie and Casper are the

449
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: dudes who like lean with him on other that very

450
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: famous like crazy side lean that did in the video.

451
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: Does he do one of those the lean move? Yes,

452
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: the crazy side lean, I think is what it's called.

453
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: Can I say what happened to me yesterday? What did

454
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: you do a lean? Well? I was looking at videos

455
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: on how to moonwalk tutorials, uh to see if I

456
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: could get it, And when you watch it slowed down

457
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: and broken down, it's like, oh, well, I get it.

458
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: It's not that complex, but it's hard to master. And

459
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: we'll get to all that coming up. Like I'm sure

460
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna bumble our way through a description about a moonwalk.

461
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: We always do, but we're gonna try. But then I

462
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: started following into that local YouTube vortex of videos, and

463
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: I saw this guy saying, here's how you do the lean,

464
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to know how to

465
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: do that because it's cool. It is it's like an illusion.

466
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: It is like at the obviously, well it's not. It's

467
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: real strong ankles, right, And there's a guy that well,

468
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't And there's a guy named Robert Hoffman who

469
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: it turns out this guy is great. He does He's

470
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: day It's tutorials, and he's kind of funny and and

471
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: does it in such a way that it's interesting to watch.

472
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 1: And so I encourage everyone to go watch Robert Hoffman's

473
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: tutorial on how to do the lean, and he kind

474
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: of explains, He fully explains the illusion and how to

475
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: how to do it well, and I look at it

476
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh man, you're about to fall over.

477
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: And then he pulls it back, and I thought, I'm

478
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: gonna practice the lean because that'll be like I've always

479
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: wanted to know how to dance, but I'm just not

480
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: good at it. But I want to get like the

481
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: lean down at least so I can bust that out

482
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: at the party. Just like standing in place. Yeah, but

483
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: you know you shouldn't even do it on a dance

484
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: floors while you're having a conversation with somebody, like slowly, slowly,

485
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: just start to leave, so they you're about to go over,

486
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: snap back into place and be like, what if You're

487
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: totally right? Because I don't go to dance parties anymore anyway,

488
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: what am I talking about? Yeah, I would be in

489
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: the office one day in the kitchen and I'll just

490
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: do my lean. He's gonna go, oh my god, you

491
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: didn't go over? He stood back up. Oh man, um,

492
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: all right, So where are we? So we were talking

493
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: about how there's a there's a discrepancy over who taught

494
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson the moonwalk. Correct. The thing is is Michael

495
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: Jackson never claimed to have invented the moonwalk. People just

496
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: assumed he had because he was huge at the time.

497
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: And he also later said that he didn't know what

498
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: he what his dance routine was going to be for

499
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: Billy Jean for this Motown special. I don't know if

500
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: I buy that. So a lot of people say, well,

501
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: obviously he just did the spur of the moment or whatever. No,

502
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: totally untrue. He employed choreographers and including those three guys,

503
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: like you said, all three of them worked with him

504
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: as choreographers. And he also, as far as his sister

505
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,479
Speaker 1: Janet I think, says, they went to see Shalamar at

506
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: Disneyland before this and saw um Jeffrey Daniel doing the

507
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: backslide and said, dude, you gotta teach me that. Here's

508
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: some money. Teach me the moonwalk. Oh wait, it's not

509
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: called the moonwalk yet. And he also said that he

510
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: he called it the moonwalk, that it was actually the

511
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: media that came up with that, but he adopted name.

512
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: Surely some I mean obviously someone named it some Yeah,

513
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: some ap reporters. Yeah, there's me, uh, for what it's worth,

514
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: Daniel said, besides she Shields and Yard now that the

515
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: the Electric Boogaloos, yes, is who inspired him as well.

516
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: And I looked up those guys. They're the ones who

517
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: originated body popping. Yeah, And they were a dance group

518
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: and I was looking at one of them and I

519
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: was like, let's rerun. Okay, you're talking about locking, Yes,

520
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: it is rerun. Yes, he was huge. He was a

521
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: member of the Lockers, which was at one point the

522
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: Electric boogaloos. No, those are two different well, no, at

523
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: one point they were. They were merged, okay, and then

524
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: then that's where popping and locking came from, because popping

525
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: and lock and are two different types of day. Originally

526
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: they were the electric boogaloo lockers and then I guess

527
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: they diverged at one point. Okay, maybe they were like

528
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: I want to lock, I want to pop. Well they

529
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: dude who invented locking. It was good Friends with Rerun

530
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: and like, if you think of Rerun dancing, like those

531
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: wrist twists and the jumps and the suspender stuff, that's

532
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: lock and it totally and they were on that dance squad,

533
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: the Lockers. It was Don Campbell who invented locking Rerun

534
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: and then Tony Basil, the girl who sang Mickey. So

535
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: if you don't know who rerun as, you're like, what

536
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: in the world are you guys talking about? What? You oldsters? Um?

537
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a It was a TV show called

538
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: What's Happening About These Three Friends in South Central l

539
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: A In the seventies, great show, very funny, uh and

540
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: Rerun was one of the characters played by the Great

541
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: Fred Barry, who was in the lockers in the electric

542
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: googlue lockers and just go watch go type rerun dancing.

543
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: What's happening and uh, what you're watching is pure locking

544
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: one of the great TV theme songs of all time too.

545
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: Now if you throw what he's really is what instrument

546
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: was that like a klesmer or something? I have no idea,

547
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: So it's weird, but it's a great one. Um. The

548
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: if you throw in that that our movement, that wave

549
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: and the worm, you've got popping locking and breaking. Yeah,

550
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: what people think of as breakdancing, that's right. Like we've

551
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: I was thinking the other day about how how in

552
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: our lifetime is people our age and there's a range,

553
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: but we've seen like a complete like two complete at

554
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: least two new complete art forms created in hip hop

555
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: music and that and breakdancing created out of whole cloth.

556
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: It's amazing. And the new sports like what like you

557
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: know X games and snowboarding and skateboarding, Like we've like

558
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: seen these new things created and you always think that, well,

559
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: music is what else can you do well under this time?

560
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: I guess techno and all that stuff that was created

561
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: as well, Um, jazz, well that was before us a

562
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: little but no it's true. I just think it's pretty

563
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: neat to look around. No, I know what you're talking about.

564
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: Two you you're like, well, there's grunge. Well grunge is

565
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: an offshoot of like rock and roll or whatever. But yeah, no,

566
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: I mean these were completely new art forms that some

567
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: people still think are a fad, which is funny. Really well,

568
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: you know, you hear like older mudgeons like rap is

569
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: going to be a fad. No, wrap is a brand

570
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: new art form and he's here forever, and it changes

571
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: in morphs and is you know, it's amazing, it's neat.

572
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: So we did a hip hop episode. You mentioned that, Yeah,

573
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: it was good. I thought for you know, a couple

574
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: of shamos like us. I think we did a pretty

575
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: decent job. Agreed. Um, all right, so do we need

576
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: to explain how to break dance? I want to hear

577
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: you explain it? No, I can't you mean moonwalk? Yea,

578
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: I want to say break dance break? Yeah, yeah, we

579
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: need to say how to moonwalk? Okay, so go ahead

580
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: take it away. Well you're the one who does it

581
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: so well. Alright, alright, are you ready? So you start?

582
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: First of all, you want to take off your shoes

583
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 1: and put on some socks on a nice slick floor.

584
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: Don't try to do it on like um uh pine bark. No.

585
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: Maybe pour yourself a vodka gimlet. Yeah, well that's the

586
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: that's the drink of the moonwalker. So um. You you

587
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: are on a slick floor, wearing socks, and you stand

588
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: straight up and down right, and you take your right

589
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: foot and you put it out in front of you

590
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 1: with your foot flat on the floor. Okay, bend your

591
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: left knee and go up on the ball of your

592
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: left foot. Okay, now holding yourself in place with just

593
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: your the ball of your foot. All of everything is

594
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: on whatever foot you have up, the ball of whatever

595
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: foot you have up. Take a sip of that gimlet, right,

596
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: maybe another one too, I need one now, And then

597
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 1: you drag your foot back the foot that's on the floor.

598
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: And as you drag your right foot back past your left,

599
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: you drop your left and you drop your left heel

600
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: and raise your right that's right, and then you repeat

601
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: the same process and you're floating. There's the moonwalk, a

602
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: k the backslide. You're pretty square if you call it

603
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: the moonwalk. These days, we had to title this episode

604
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: moonwalk because we wanted everybody to know what we were

605
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: talking about. But it's called the backslide. Okay, that is correct.

606
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: And I watched the tutorial which the guy who did

607
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: the tutorial actually wasn't great at it. Um, like he

608
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: he had it down like how to teach you. But

609
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: when he did it, I was going, yeah, it's not great.

610
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: Was Steve Brule? No, God, that would be great. I

611
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: just think the guy had the wrong shoes on personally,

612
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: but um, I'll bet that's what he blames it onto.

613
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: The thing he stressed for a good moonwalk is a

614
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: long stride, which is where you're lacking. If I can

615
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: be honest. Oh am I doing it to you? Short? Yeah? Okay,

616
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: long stride, Josh, Okay, Um, I didn't realize you've had

617
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: so many formed opinions about my moon wall. Uh. That

618
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: foot that you're keeping flat needs to be so so

619
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: flat to create the illusion. Right, What what am I doing?

620
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about you know your foot was pretty

621
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: good and flat. That's your stride. I pretend like it's dead,

622
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: like my foot is dead when I drag it. Uh.

623
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: And then when you when you go to switch feet,

624
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,479
Speaker 1: he said, you really just snap them both real hard

625
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: to create that illusion like a good completely synchronized simultaneous

626
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: snap up and down with those two feet. You're long stride,

627
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: keep that foot flat, keep that vodka gimlet flowing, and

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Speaker 1: So you can um, you can like add your arms swinging,

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Speaker 1: it right now. Well, I'm not gonna do it now.

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Speaker 1: You don't have a vodka gimlet, Nope, Are you got

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of yeah, but that's it. It is the

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Speaker 1: And since I said gimlet, it's time for listener mail.

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Speaker 1: Before listener mail, this is ah, I'm gonna call this

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Speaker 1: correction time. Okay, we need like a Lila by music.

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Speaker 1: We do so you know, we have corrections on the

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Speaker 1: show from time to time. This was sort of a

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Speaker 1: big one because we really goofed on the Gettysburg Address episode. Um,

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Speaker 1: said I wanted to be a civil war buff. I

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Speaker 1: don't anymore. You know, you had to start to your

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Speaker 1: career as a civil war buff. They're not nice people,

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Speaker 1: as it turns out, no one on the internet it's

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Speaker 1: a nice person. No I was. I was just very

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Speaker 1: surprised if people got angry that we messed something up?

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Speaker 1: Did I just like, so, what did we mess up?

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Speaker 1: We said fifty thou dead. It was fifty total casualties.

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Speaker 1: Is that what it was? So we messed up and

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Speaker 1: said mistaked casualties for dead, when in fact casualties is dead,

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Speaker 1: missing or wounded. Um. And then we also said that

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Speaker 1: little ahead of ourselves. Well, clearly we're the most evil

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Speaker 1: people of the century. Yeah, so very sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: Civil War buffs you know, now, don't have a contact

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Speaker 1: Chuck again. Please all right, listener mail now. Yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read this one. Hey, guys, great podcast,

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Speaker 1: especially like how you pointed out, uh, here's some about

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Speaker 1: the bogus studies, how to do good research, especially like

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Speaker 1: how you guys pointed out the pressure when you're an

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Speaker 1: understudy to do studies that support the current theories of

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Speaker 1: your employer without getting into a ton of detail. I've

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Speaker 1: been there, and I left research altogether because I became

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Speaker 1: pretty disillusioned with it all. One thing you did not

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Speaker 1: mention is that entire industries get erected based on the

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Speaker 1: results of a few initial studies. Uh, the sexiness of

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Speaker 1: the studies aside, which is what you talked about the

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Speaker 1: anything or has a negative study, their funding is often

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Speaker 1: at stake. For my personal experiences, is the largest basis

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Speaker 1: for bias. WHOA, that was a mouthful. It's hard to

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Speaker 1: say when you're missing the tooth um research. Researchers become

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Speaker 1: a c in a monetary perspective. We don't really recognize

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Speaker 1: realize this because the scope of the impact of the

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Speaker 1: studies are usually small. But that researcher who suddenly lost

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Speaker 1: all their grants is a pretty high price to pay

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Speaker 1: for being ethical. I don't really have any answers to

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Speaker 1: how clean it up, but science is contrarian and by

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Speaker 1: nature anti consensus. Instead, we have a system that rewards

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Speaker 1: only rewards reinforcement. Good researchers have to be allowed to

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Speaker 1: say you did this great study and found nothing without

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Speaker 1: the fear of losing grant money. Amen. That's from Trevor.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Trevor. That was very illuminating. Yeah, an enlightening, very

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Speaker 1: very aditt Can you say that, Rudy, really, I don't know. Okay,

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