WEBVTT - MLK and Liberty versus Tyranny 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.920 This is the buck Sexton Show where the mission where 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:08.080 mission is to decode what really matters with passionable intelligence, 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:14.280 magnor mistake America, You're a great American. Again the buck 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:22.920 Sexton Show begins. Remember he's a great guy. No, welcome 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.240 to the buck Sexton Show. This is Ben wein Garten 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:29.760 in for Buck Sexton here on this Monday Martin Muth 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:32.559 and Luther King Junior Day. Hope you all had a 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.800 great weekend, maybe enjoyed some football, some time with the family. 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.760 Nice relaxation, a break from the craziness in the world 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:43.880 and probably in your own personal lives as well. As 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:46.360 we head into this twenty twenty election cycle, of which 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:51.920 the impeachment is inextricably interlinked. I want to start today. 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:53.560 We'll talk about a few different things. I want to 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:55.920 pick up on some threads that we talked about on 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.320 Thursday and Friday. In particular, we're going to talk about 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:03.560 the Afghanistan Papers, maybe the most overlooked critical story that 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:07.840 has emerged about not only American national security and foreign policy, 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.240 but also what kind of government we have and whether 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:16.000 we're really represented ultimately when they're trillions of dollars in 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:19.000 treasure and all this blood sacrificed and what have we 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:21.320 gotten for it? And I talked about the link between 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.440 General Michael Flynn and those Afghani standpapers last week. We'll 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:26.680 pick up on that thread today as well with Julie 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:28.920 Kelly just a little bit later in the hour. We're 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:31.840 also gonna again look at China, but actually through the 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:35.360 lens of Taiwan, a country we don't talk about a lot, 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.720 but which is actually the front line in the Chinese 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:43.399 Communist Party's march first for regional hegemony and then for 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.759 global dominance. And why should we as Americans care about that? 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.640 And what should the US relationship with Taiwana look like. 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:53.120 And there were recently presidential and broader elections there as well, 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.640 which have not gotten a lot of press in the US, 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:59.440 but are actually quite significant and a good news out 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.400 of that part of the world. So we'll talk with 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:03.960 Steve Yates about that a little bit later in the show, 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:07.720 and then also talk with Margot Cleveland of The Federalist, 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.720 a senior contributor there, colleague of mine, who is doing 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:14.880 some exceptional work parsing going through page by page of 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:17.360 the four hundred and seventy eight pages or whatever it 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:21.800 is of the IG report on FISA abuse and also 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:26.399 looking at potential corruption in the FISA court itself, huge 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:30.320 vital matters that are not being addressed. People are not 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.440 going in and doing the journalistic homework that they ought 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:36.040 to do. And Margo has a very extensive legal background 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.160 looks at this or the eyes of our eyes the 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.520 way that we look at these issues and doing some 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.560 vital work on this. We'll talk about that in our three, 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.200 but I want to start with this being Martin Luther 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:53.280 King Junior Day. A little bit about the politics of this, 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:57.040 and I don't believe that national holidays should be politicized. 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.679 I think that politics should be taken out of all 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:04.400 of these major cultural benchmarks, these celebrations that we have. 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:07.720 But the Left has injected politics into everything. So if 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.359 we're going to talk about the political aspect of a 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.560 day like Martin Luther King Day, I would suggest that 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:17.920 this should be an anti identity politics holiday, because that 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:22.400 is actually what Martin Luther King Jr. Espoused, certainly in 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:26.040 the most famous speech he ever delivered. He talked about colorblindness, 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:32.440 content of character mattering more than color of skin, skin pigmentation. 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.960 You and I have no control over that. What we 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.600 do have control over is what we contribute society, to 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:43.000 our families, to our communities, what we bring to the 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.240 table based upon our individual merit, and that truly is 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.200 the basis by which we should be judged, not things 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:53.160 that are completely out of our control, arbitrary by nature. 0:03:56.520 --> 0:04:01.960 Thomas soul the great economist who grew up at Harlem Back, 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.600 I believe in the thirties or forties, came up through 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:11.880 the ranks of basically militant black nationalism leftism, had an 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:15.640 epiphany and switched and became one of this nation's leading 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.960 free market economists, written some of the finest books there 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:22.480 are on these subjects. And he wrote something back in 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:26.359 twenty thirteen on the fiftieth anniversary of Kings, I have 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.960 a dream speech. Then I think it is worth reading 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:37.840 at some length, because it puts in context how distorted Americans, 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.160 particularly on the left, have got in on issues of race, 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:44.600 how far away they have traveled from Martin Luther King's 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:48.000 ideal where color blindness used to be the highest ideal, 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:51.880 the virtue that we sought, the principle that we sought. 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.440 And now what is the most virtuous is the opposite. 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.800 It is, let's judge everything explicitly on the basis of 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:03.000 what the races of one person versus another person. That's 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:06.240 really identity politics and multiculturalism. What, at the end of 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.400 the day, is it really about. Yes, they've come up 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:14.000 with this academic veneer to try to rationalize the views 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.120 that have pervaded our law schools and all of our 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.400 schools and now all of our cultural institutions since the 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:24.240 Civil rights era. It's actually about dividing us. It's about 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:31.200 dividing us and then conquering us, rubbing the wounds, old wounds, 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:36.159 historical wounds for political gain, playing one group and I 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.039 hate the term group because we're individuals and we should 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:44.680 be judged individually. Pitting groups against each other and that 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:48.200 is totally antithetical to what King argued in that speech. 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:51.680 I want to read a little what soul Is said 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.000 back in twenty thirteen, because it's just as relevant today, 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.280 and it's going to remain just as relevant until in 0:05:56.360 --> 0:06:01.719 athless we thwart the identity politics obsessed multiculturalist focus march 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.159 and get back to judging people by who they are 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.920 caring most about. The smallest minority, the minority of one 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:14.680 the individual under assault by this group ideology of identity politics, 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.680 which of course is just a ruse a guys to 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:22.160 cover their leftism. It's using the veneer of being virtuous 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:26.960 because you're supporting the oppressed, as a means of justifying 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:32.960 tyrannical collectivism, where the individual is destroyed, the smallest minority 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:38.080 is destroyed. Here's a widow of what Soul wrote, Judging 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.279 individuals by their individual character is that the opposite poll 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:46.160 from judging how groups are statistically represented among employees, college students, 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:49.200 or political figures. Yet many, if not most, of those 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.360 who celebrate the I have a Dream speech today promote 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:56.559 the directly opposite approach of group preferences, especially those based 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:01.960 on skin color. He goes on, what was historic about 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.080 King's speech was not only what was said, but how 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.880 powerfully its message resonated among Americans of that time across 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:11.760 the spectrum of race, ideology, and politics. A higher percentage 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.640 of Republicans than Democrats voted in Congress for both the 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.760 Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four and the Voting 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.640 Rights Act of nineteen sixty five. To say that was 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.160 a hopeful time would be an understatement. To say that 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.200 many of those hopes have since been disappointed. Would also 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:29.600 be an understatement. There's been much documented racial progress since 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:33.760 nineteen sixty three, but there's also been much retroaggression, of 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.560 which the disintegration of the black family has been central, 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.760 especially among those at the bottom of the social pyramid. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:45.000 Many people, especially politicians and activists, want to take credit 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.800 for the economic and other advancement of blacks, even though 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.360 a larger proportion of Blacks rose out of poverty in 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:54.280 the twenty years before nineteen sixty than the twenty years afterwards. 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:56.920 We should add to that these trends have only gotten worse, 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.400 and that the great society itself, when measure in terms 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.600 of the racial progress, has really been a flop. But 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.320 no one wants to take responsibility for the policies and 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.720 ideologies that led to the breakup of the black family, 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:12.120 which had survived centuries of slavery and generations of discrimination. 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:16.040 And we cannot downplay enough by the way, the disintegration 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.960 of the black family is a trend that has accelerated 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.440 across Americans of all races, and the disintegration of family 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:27.200 ultimately means the disintegration of communities, society, and a nation. Altogether, 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:36.760 because absent that family structure, everything else collapses. He goes on, 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.000 many hopes were disappointed because those were unrealistic hopes to 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:42.880 begin with. Economic and other disparities between groups have been 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.800 common for centuries and countries around the world, and many 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.720 of those disparities have been and still are larger than 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.760 the disparities between blacks and whites in America. Even when 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.160 those who lagged behind have advanced, they have not always 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.800 caught up, even after centuries, because others were advancing at 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.200 the same time. But when blacks did not catch up 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.160 with whites in America within a matter of decades, that 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.200 was treated as strange or even a sinister sign of 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:08.640 crafty and covert racism. Civil rights were necessary, but far 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:12.320 from sufficient. Education and job skills are crucial, and the 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.800 government cannot give you these things. All it can do 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.600 is make them available. Race hustlers who blame all lags 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.560 on the racism of others are among the obstacles to 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:26.560 taking the fullest advantage of education and other opportunities. What 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:33.040 does that say about the content of their character? Soul 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.960 goes on a little bit to talk about the passage 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.360 of the Civil Rights Act and how high hopes were 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:43.200 following that act, He says, the bitter anti climax that 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.680 did follow provoke no rethinking. Instead, it provoked all sorts 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:49.400 of new demands. Judging everybody by the same standards came 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:52.240 to be regarded in some quarters as racist because it 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.680 precluded preferences and quotas. That is, we should judge everyone 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.360 by different standards, and that's supposed to be anti racist. 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.240 It's absurd on its face. Soul goes on. There are 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.560 people today to talk justice when they really mean payback, 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:08.920 including payback against people who were not even born when 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:12.600 historic injustices were committed. By the way, this applies to 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.199 a criminal justice system, for example, in New York, where 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.760 I mentioned, we now have this no bail reform where 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:22.240 criminals get protected under the guise of justice, but innocent 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.680 victims walking the streets have to deal with these repeat 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.640 offenders going out and committing all sorts of crimes through 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.839 no fault of their own, and the criminal is treated 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:35.400 as the aggrieved. So it pervades a lot of things. 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:42.199 It's not just the racial relations in this country, Soul concludes. 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:47.840 And this was talking back in twenty thirteen. Remember, so 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:55.800 this was the Trayvon whole hullo below Trayvon Martin case transpiring. 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.320 The nation has just been through a sensationalized murder trial 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.120 and fard on which many people took fear positions before 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.520 a speck of evidence was introduced based on nothing more 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.280 than judging those involved by the color of their skin. 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.120 President Obama did that himself, by the way, in the 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:15.120 case of the Trayvon Martin Travails tragedy. We have a 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:16.600 long way to go to catch up to what Martin 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.679 Luther King said fifty years ago, and we are moving 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.640 in the opposite direction. And I think the record absolutely 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.480 proves what Thomas soul was saying. Take for example, something 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.240 we've talked about in the show before, the sixteen nineteen project. 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.280 It is a project by the New York Times to 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:35.520 reframe history as if American history really begins when slavery 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:37.679 was introduced to the shores of at the time Virginia, 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:41.440 and slavery actually had existed here decades, if not a 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.959 century or more prior to that point. But that is 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.600 the point at which The New York Times traces our history. 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.800 So seventeen seventy six isn't the start of America sixteen 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.600 nineteen is our original sin of slavery is that's where 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.800 America and history should start. So it suggests from the 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.440 very beginning that we were built on tyranny, not liberty, 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:04.160 and that every evil aspect of America derives from its 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:08.520 this original evil seed of slavery being introduced here, rather 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:12.640 than the fact that America was an experiment in liberty 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:15.240 where slavery was the great exception to it, where the 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:23.120 founding fathers themselves said it was basically intolerable, completely incompatible 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.480 with what our founding principles were, completely incompatible with the 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:29.720 Declaration of Independence with a constitution not referenced in the 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.640 Constitution by name, because they knew that it was a 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:37.160 blight on our nation, and most of the founders, in 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:40.760 particular the abolitionist founders all said basically they found this 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.080 to be an abhorrent system, one that had to be 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.600 tolerated or there would not be a union. And then 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:49.840 they had language specifically in the Constitution to phase out 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:54.320 the slave of trade within twenty five years. The document itself, 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:58.000 of course, could not support slavery on its own merits 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:03.360 on the words in it, But the Times instead wants 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.599 to reframe our history and introduce a curriculum in to 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:09.360 school is consistent with the sixteen nineteen Project, which explicitly 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.120 says that America was basically a country founded on and 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.120 built in tyranny, that capitalism and all of our other 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:20.559 institutions spawn from it, that ultimately it is a deplorable experiment. 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:24.079 And if it's a deplorable, evil experiment, then obviously the 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:25.640 answer is you have to turn it on its head. 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.160 You have to shred the Constitution, you have to repudiate 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:31.400 the Declaration of Independence. These documents aren't viewed as the 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.560 answers to discrimination and to a society that is flourishing 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:39.439 and tolerant and truly pluralistic and judges people on their merits, 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:44.280 like King asked for, and like Douglas identified centuries before, 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.680 over a century before, they'd have us believe. It's the 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:53.160 exact opposite, Totally inconsistent. I would argue the sixteen nineteen 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:59.280 project with what King called for. Robert Woodson wrote a 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:01.480 great editorial on this in the Wall Street Journal recently, 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:05.320 and he talked about sixteen nineteen. He said that today 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.760 the progressive left wants to ignore the achievements and pretend 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:11.120 that Blacks are perpetual victims of white racism sixteen nineteen 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.680 Project essay series. It's the latest salvo in this attack 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.880 on America's founding, claiming anti black racism runs in the 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:20.280 very dna of this country. This statement is an abomination 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.400 of everything doctor King stood for. When come right back, 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.520 we'll talk a little bit more about doctor King sixteen 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.240 nineteen project and context of it and the importance of 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.320 the content of character over the collar of his game. 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:33.520 Right back, this Ben Wangarton in for Buck sex And 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:35.720 on the Buck Sex And Show. Back in just a second. 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.080 You're in the Freedom Hut. This is the Buck Sexton 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:47.200 Show podcast. Welcome back to the Buck Sex And Show. 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:49.760 This is Ben Wangarten in for Buck Sexton. We've been 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:53.000 talking about the ideals and principle as that Martin Luther 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.800 King stood for and the left standing in contradiction to 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:00.840 those principles today sadly, and I was talking about this 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:04.840 Robert Woodson Wall Street Journal editorial and he quotes from 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:10.520 King and juxtaposes it with a sixteen nineteen project says, 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:12.800 in sharp contrast to the claims of sixteen nineteen which 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.040 disparages the American Revolution and Declaration of independence and insists 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:19.080 America's hopelessly racist king believed deeply in the need to 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.360 remain true to the founder's vision, quoting him the Patriot 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.960 Dream that sees beyond the years. To him that that 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.440 was the only evidue toward fulfilling America's promise, As he 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.160 wrote in his nineteen sixty three Letter from a Birmingham jail, 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.640 one day the South will know that when these disinherited 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.040 children of God sat down on lunch counters, they were 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:38.000 in reality standing up for what was best in the 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.840 American dream and for the most sacred values in our 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.240 Judeo Christian heritage, thereby bringing our nation back to those 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.680 great woes of democracy which were dug deep by the 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.480 founding fathers in their formulation of the Constitution and the 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:53.000 Declaration of Independence. Okay, well, our leftists today who would 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:58.440 claim to carry the banner of king say that the 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.960 Constitution and the Declaration are inherently evil documents based upon 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.320 the people that drafted them and what they derived from 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:08.800 Judeo Christian heritage. They'd say, that's code word for white 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:15.160 nationalism and ethnocentric Europeanism and these other assinine concepts that 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.640 they've come up with to try to create an academic 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:23.840 veneer that legitimizes they're just anti Western ideology. At its core, 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:31.760 our sacred American values in the American dream, our understanding 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:35.160 of the American dream as conservative Americans, as traditional Americans, 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.200 is the American nightmare. In the left's reading of things, 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:41.040 King added, we will reach the goal of freedom in 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.280 Birmingham and all over the nation because the goal of 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.360 America's freedom, abuse and scorn, though we may be, our 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.720 destiny is tied up with America's destiny. And then whitson 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.120 goes on. Doctor King, who saw full participation in America, 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.720 would never have indulged today's grievance based on any politics 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.720 whose social justice warriors use race as a battering ram 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:00.440 against the country. In fact, in a letter from Birming M. Jail, 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.880 King is explicitly warned against the type of group think 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:06.840 that characterizes identity politics. Individuals may see the moral light 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:10.600 and voluntarily give up their unjust posture, said King, But 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:14.199 as Ronald niber has reminded us, groups tend to be 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:18.440 more immoral than individuals. I would say to the left, 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:20.439 how can you look at what King said and what 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:24.320 he wrote, and then support an ideology that is inherently 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:28.199 about color of skin, maybe to the total exclusion of 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:31.200 content of character, certainly to some extent to the exclusion 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.920 of content of character. But merit and the individual worth 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.119 and dignity of a person should be all the matters 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:39.480 at the end of the day in America. And we 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:41.520 might not always achieve that ideal, but that should be 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:46.520 the ideal, not the opposite, not the antithesis. We're gonna 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.360 switch gears here and just after the break we're gonna 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:51.359 have Julie Kelly on to talk about something I talked 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.760 about last week, which does deal incidentally without our individual 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:58.560 liberties and civil rights in context of General Michael Flynn certainly, 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.520 and also in context of the government versus the people 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.920 in the Afghanistan papers. This Ben Weegarden in for Buck 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.160 Sex and on the Buck Sexton Show. Back just after this. 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:11.600 Thanks for listening to the bus Sex Show podcasts. Remember 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:15.440 to subscribe on Apple podcast, the iHeartRadio app, or wherever 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.160 you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:23.080 This is Ben Weingarten in for Buck Sexton, and as 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.439 you recall, on Friday, we did a very deep dive 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:31.439 into the plight of General Michael T. Flynn and in 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:35.280 particular went into great depth on what I think is 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.840 a document that in and of itself explains why Flynn 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:43.480 had to be targeted as persona non grata the number 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:47.480 one priority for the deep staters in the Trump administration 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.560 based on this one interview alone, and that interview was 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:54.160 a product of the Afghanistan Papers, one that was flagged 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.800 for me by a great writer, one of the best 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:01.520 trolls certain way on the conservative side, but also someone 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:05.560 who writes just fantastic editorials and does some great journalistic work. 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.440 And that's Julie Kelly, a senior contributor to American Greatness, 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:10.679 and she joins us now, Julie, thanks so much for 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:14.760 coming on the program. Thanks Ben, thanks for having me on. Well, 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.880 it's my pleasure. And I want to start actually with 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:20.719 a news story that I'm sure you saw, you know, 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.399 one of these stories rolled out once or twice a week, 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:29.200 This one about just these bombshew revelations about President Trump 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:33.760 defying the generals and other senior officials in the administration, 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:39.240 in particular leading national security and foreign policy officials. I 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.920 wonder if you put that well, first of all, isn't 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:46.879 that what he was elected to do? Right? He absolutely was, 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:51.960 and you know he was right to question. I mean, 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.480 we all support the military. We know what a hard 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:58.880 job they've all had to past two decades, from Afghanistan 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:02.080 through Iraq and other kind of like. But look, we 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.879 now know, thanks to the expose that's been published in 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:08.440 the Washington Post, what did debacle the Afghanistan war has 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:12.480 been from the beginning. And Trump promised his base and 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:16.800 his voters that he would look to end these perpetual wars. 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:19.000 And I think that that was the crux of his 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:23.679 questioning of these military officials in twenty seventeen. And so anyway, 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:28.919 that questioning, I think perfectly parallels what General Flynn asserted 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:34.320 in his interview with the Aspects Special Inspector General for 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:37.359 the Afghanistan reconstruction efforts, because basically what he was calling 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:41.359 out is, look, we've spent now seven trillion dollars in 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:45.879 treasure and all manner of blood, and you know, at 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:47.520 the end of the day, what did we get for it? 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:50.239 It's or what is the return on the investment of 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:54.840 our nation's resources. I wonder if you would summarize for 0:20:54.920 --> 0:21:00.280 us what you've found in parsing the Afghanistan papers thus far. Well, 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:03.880 just so everyone can understand where these keepers came from. 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:07.280 So this is, as you said, the Special Inspector General 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:11.240 who was tasked in two thousand and eight really to 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:15.040 look at all the reconstruction efforts, what was what's been 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.400 going on in Afghanistan since really two thousand and two 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:23.600 after the invasion. So this Special Inspector General has conducted 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:27.520 hundreds of interviews not just with US officials but LA 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:33.240 forces and Afghan government officials as well, looking into what 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.640 worked and what didn't work. And unfortunately we found out 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.479 that most of what we've been doing there has not worked. 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:46.240 So these interviews give really some insight into what has 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:49.040 been happening for almost two decades. And one of those 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:53.479 interviews was Mike Flynn, who has been an intelligence officer 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:58.520 for decades and served in both Afghanistan and Iraq, and 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:02.480 so he also worked in the Obama administration for James Clapper. 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:05.359 So his interview was very interesting and we can get 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:07.960 into some of the details, but it makes more sense 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:13.400 of why the Obama White House targeted him in twenty fourteen. Yeah, 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:17.479 it's amazing in some ways to my mind that he 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:21.320 rose to be the head of DA the Defense Intelligence Agency, 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:25.720 on the Obama administration. Given his outspoken views. The only 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:28.600 thing to which I can attribute it is really that 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:33.600 he was so competent that that competence overcame the political 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:36.840 correctness that would normally pervade a decision like elevating him 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:38.640 to that role. Do you see it that way as well? 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:43.760 I think that that's true, and his experience really is unmatched. 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:47.160 And so, but he was founding the alarm early on 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:51.440 and how the intelligence was being manipulated and politicized coming 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:55.240 out of Afghanistan, and how it was causing people to 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:58.280 make really bad decisions. And he alerted not just the 0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:02.520 Obama White House, but also CIA officials. I believe it 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:06.240 was probably John Brennan, because I mean they weren't exactly equals, 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:10.680 but pretty close, and questioning why the intelligence was being 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:14.359 manipulated and politicized, and as it got higher up the chain, 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:18.760 meaning to the president, he was not getting the truth. 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:21.840 Therefore he was not telling the American people the truth either, 0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:28.000 And thus far in reviewing those Afghanistan papers, what's been 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:30.679 the most remarkable thing that you've been that you found? 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:35.959 You know? But I have to say, these are a 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:38.199 lot of the same people, and I'm going to have 0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:40.920 a piece on this later in the week as well. 0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:44.240 These are the very same people who have been criticizing 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:47.640 Donald Trump since he first announced he was running for president. 0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:50.439 And I hate to make everything about Trump, but he 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:53.919 is such a good clarifying figure. So a lot of 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:58.000 these same former diplomats and national security officials, state Department 0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:01.919 officials who've been high critical of Donald Trump and his 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:05.800 kind of ad hoc approach to foreign policy and diplomacy. 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:09.800 These are the same people who have been misleading US, 0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:12.919 who now admit they really didn't know what was happening 0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:17.879 in Afghanistan. They really didn't know how to fix the 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:21.640 problems that they had helped perpetuate, and now we're still 0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:24.120