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Speaker 1: to the buck Sexton Show. This is Ben wein Garten

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Speaker 1: in for Buck Sexton here on this Monday Martin Muth

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Speaker 1: and Luther King Junior Day. Hope you all had a

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Speaker 1: and probably in your own personal lives as well. As

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Speaker 1: we head into this twenty twenty election cycle, of which

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Speaker 1: the impeachment is inextricably interlinked. I want to start today.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about a few different things. I want to

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Speaker 1: also gonna again look at China, but actually through the

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Speaker 1: And there were recently presidential and broader elections there as well,

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Speaker 1: But the Left has injected politics into everything. So if

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Speaker 1: You and I have no control over that. What we

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Speaker 1: we're losing? And he was not just telling, and he

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Speaker 1: also was testifying. I couldn't get a copy of it.

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Speaker 1: I believe it was behind closed doors to the Homeland

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Speaker 1: Security Committee in twenty fifteen about this issue too, and

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Speaker 1: so he you know, so the Obama people were aware

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Speaker 1: Mike Flynn was making this public to lawmakers on Capitol

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Speaker 1: Hill and also to the press. So they viewed him

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Speaker 1: he really was essentially a whistleblower, and at a very

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Speaker 1: precarious time. So this would have been, you know, around

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Speaker 1: twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, the surge was over,

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Speaker 1: they were bringing troops home, the situation was deteriorating. Joe

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Speaker 1: like a success, but it was not, and for many reasons.

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Speaker 1: And so now we know it's, you know, in worse

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Speaker 1: condition than when Obama and Biden left it, and another

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Speaker 1: mess for Donald Trump to try to clean up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it bears emphasizing the point that you made about General

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Speaker 1: Flynn being a true, true whistleblower, and you wrote a

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Speaker 1: column about this, which is what drew my attention to

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Speaker 1: Flynn's interview. I wasn't even aware that it was in

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Speaker 1: those archives in the first place. He was a whistleblower,

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Speaker 1: and he paid the real price for it, first in

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Speaker 1: the Obama administration and then subsequently for a short lived

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Speaker 1: time in the Trump administration. So he should be the

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Speaker 1: one that's really held up as the blower, not the

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Speaker 1: so called whistleblower that's at the core of a you know,

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Speaker 1: a sham of an impeachment process who will probably never testify.

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Speaker 1: It seems no, no, he won't. He's been protected and

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Speaker 1: heralded as a hero and a martyr, and so we

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Speaker 1: never have to hear from him. Meanwhile, Mike Flynn's life

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Speaker 1: is destroyed. Obama's FBI under Jim Callmey, as we know

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Speaker 1: know opened up an investigation into Mike Flynn. The targeting

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Speaker 1: started in twenty fourteen. So now you know, we see

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Speaker 1: the unequal fates of two whistleblowers. Well, why aren't the

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Speaker 1: Afghanistan papers in your view, given that it's living history,

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Speaker 1: it remains relevant and there has never been a lessons learned,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a few reasons. One, the Washington Poet

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Speaker 1: Horrowitz report advisor abuse. So I think that that was

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Speaker 1: part of it. And obviously, you know, official Washington does

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Speaker 1: I think that that's part of this distraction. Now with

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Speaker 1: what Donald Trump allegedly said to military officials in twenty

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Speaker 1: seventeen about the war, and these were excerpts from a

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Speaker 1: book that were published in The Washington Post, the same

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Speaker 1: paper that's published the Afghanistan Papers. So this almost seems

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Speaker 1: you know, these officials are now being exposed as having done.

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Speaker 1: There's not one person to blame as far as the

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Speaker 1: Afghanistan War. I mean, this runs over three administrations and

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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of officials, so there's not one person

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Speaker 1: to really target here. Although I do have a piece

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Speaker 1: bit about that. He's now trying to rewrite history. Big

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Speaker 1: two thousand and one, you know, up to the present date.

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Speaker 1: And so it's unfortunate, and that's why we are trying

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Speaker 1: to cover the papers a little bit more to bring

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Speaker 1: more attention, because it really has been buried since you've

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Speaker 1: given us that little tease about Joe Biden. We'll pick

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Speaker 1: it up on the other side of a short break.

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Speaker 1: This has Ben Weegarden in for Buck Sex and on

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Speaker 1: The Buck Sexton Show more with Julia Kelly. Just after this,

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Speaker 1: you're in the Freedom Hunt. This is the Buck Sexton

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Speaker 1: Show podcast. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. This

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Speaker 1: is Ben Weegarden in for Buck Sexton, and we've been

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Speaker 1: talking with Julie Kelly, a senior contributor to American Greatness

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Speaker 1: about the Afghanistan papers. I think Julia just made an

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Speaker 1: excellent point that bears repeating, which is that there is

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Speaker 1: no one person to whom we should point a finger

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Speaker 1: at with respect to the morass. And frankly, the failure

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Speaker 1: called a success repeatedly for almost two decades of Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: The fact that it has transcended administrations, secretaries of defense,

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Speaker 1: and in the military as well, and that we've ended

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Speaker 1: up in this situation. I think if anything speaks to

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Speaker 1: a much more pervasive problem, it would be even better.

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Speaker 1: It would be a much better situation if you could

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Speaker 1: actually point fingers and there would be lessons learned that

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Speaker 1: only implicated a few people, and we could make corrective

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Speaker 1: action going forward. But the fact is that it transcends

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Speaker 1: party year generation. That speaks to a serious failure that

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Speaker 1: we have currently in our government and in our ability

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Speaker 1: to execute wars to the extent we should be executing

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Speaker 1: the wars that we're entering in the first place. But

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Speaker 1: I want to bring back Julie specifically to talk about

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Speaker 1: something that is coming in a fourth coming calm, I believe.

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Speaker 1: And that is how Joe Biden is implicated in all

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Speaker 1: things Afghanistan. So Julie, take it away. So Ben, You'd

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Speaker 1: be hard pressed to find a politician in Washington who

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Speaker 1: has his fingerprints more on the Afghanistan War than Joe Biden. Right. So,

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Speaker 1: he has been a Senator since the nineteen seventies. He

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Speaker 1: He voted to approve the authorization for the war in

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Speaker 1: helped co author legislation that authorized this rebuilding effort that

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Speaker 1: now has cost over one hundred and thirty billion dollars

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Speaker 1: more than the Marshall Plan, if you can believe in

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Speaker 1: current dollars. And interestingly, in two thousand and seven, when

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Speaker 1: he was running against Barack Obama, Joe Biden wanted a

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Speaker 1: new surge of troops, a new influx of troops. He

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Speaker 1: called it a surge into Afghanistan, redirecting troops from Iraq

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Speaker 1: into Afghanistan. Now he's on a campaign trail claiming that

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Speaker 1: that he's kind of right but mostly wrong, because he

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Speaker 1: did he did support a search, just not to the

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Speaker 1: degree that the generals wanted and that Obama eventually settled on.

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Speaker 1: So again we're getting half truths from Joe Biden. And

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Speaker 1: I detailed this in a column tomorrow from Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: might qualify as successful. And when you consider his whole

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Speaker 1: record and foreign policy and national security, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think it's almost safe to say that his only success

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Speaker 1: when it come with any implications for foreign policy, is

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Speaker 1: enriching his family members. Is that accurate? I think that

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Speaker 1: that's probably true, and I think that that was his interest.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it would be interesting for somebody to

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Speaker 1: go back in detail how anyone profited off of his

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Speaker 1: continued support of reconstruction efforts in Afghanistan, because he was

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Speaker 1: there's I'm sure there's some Biden family members who have

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Speaker 1: profited off of that too. But look now he's promising

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Speaker 1: to end the warren Afghanistan. Think about this, then, if

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Speaker 1: of our troops home. If Joe Biden is sworn in,

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Speaker 1: he will inherit a war that he helped start two

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Speaker 1: decades ago that he has perpetuated, that he has approved.

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Speaker 1: His fingerprints are on every aspect of the Afghanistan War

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Speaker 1: since the beginning. But now he's allowed to, of course,

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Speaker 1: rewrite history and back away from his involvement. And he

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be, especially in light of these reports that we have.

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Speaker 1: You know, it would be great for someone to challenge

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden on the Mike Flynn interview and what he

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Speaker 1: knew about intelligence. I mean, he brags all the time

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Speaker 1: how he is, you know, Barack Obama's foreign policy whisper. Well,

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Speaker 1: what did he Oh? I'm sure that he would challenge

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Speaker 1: the person asking that question to a push up contest

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Speaker 1: and that would be the end of it. He'd say, Hey, look, Jack,

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Speaker 1: you know that's not true. Jack, come on, man, talk

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Speaker 1: about the facts. His favorite pivot. We've got about under

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Speaker 1: a minute left. I did want to touch on one

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Speaker 1: more piece that you wrote recently related to this, and

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Speaker 1: that concerns ice IG corruption. That is, the Intelligence Community

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Speaker 1: Inspector General who's implicated in the whistleblower that the quote

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Speaker 1: unquote whistleblower that we talked about before and bringing his

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Speaker 1: case forth tell us a little about that. So here's

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Speaker 1: the guy at the center. This is the one transcript

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Speaker 1: that Adam Schiff won't release, and this is the transcript

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Speaker 1: closed or testimony of Michael Atkinson, who's the Intelligence Community

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Speaker 1: inspector general who kind of helped launch this latest impeachment crusade.

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Speaker 1: He handled the complaint the whistleblower I use scare quotes

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Speaker 1: whistleblower complaint. He told Congress that it was a matter

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Speaker 1: of urging concern, tried to go over his body, his

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Speaker 1: head and bring attention to this. Michael Atkinson is closely

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Speaker 1: tied to many of the key figures in the Russia

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Speaker 1: National Security Division, which was in charge of handling Carter

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Speaker 1: Page's FAIZA. He was the chief counsel for Mary McCord,

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Speaker 1: the Russian collusion bogus Russia collusion investigation, and he worked

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Speaker 1: for her for months. He stayed in that agency until

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Speaker 1: he was inexplicably approved by the Republican Senate to serve

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Speaker 1: as the watchdog for an intelligence community that's been trying

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Speaker 1: to destroy Donald Trump from the beginning. Anyway, my point,

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Speaker 1: and it's in my piece, is that Senate Republicans are smart.

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Speaker 1: That's a big if. Their very first witness, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: should be Michael Atkinson asked him about his role in

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Speaker 1: Russia Gate from the beginning from July twenty sixteen, when

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Speaker 1: all of this really started happening, until he left at

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Speaker 1: the end of twenty seventeen. Here and we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to leave it right there. Joy, Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for coming on the program. This Ben one Garden in

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Speaker 1: for Buck Sex and on the Buck Sexton Show back

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Speaker 1: just after this. Thanks for listening to the bus Sex

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Speaker 1: Show podcast. Remember to subscribe on Apple Podcast, the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. This is Ben Weegarten in for Bucks Sexton.

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Speaker 1: And although I hate talking about this topic impeachment, obviously

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Speaker 1: we're rolling right into it. This week is where it

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Speaker 1: really takes off in the Senate, and there was some

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Speaker 1: substantial developments over the weekend with the Democrats putting out

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Speaker 1: a brief explaining making their case for why Trump must

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Speaker 1: be removed from office, even though they know they can't

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Speaker 1: get the two thirds in the Senate. It's pretty funny actually,

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Speaker 1: if you look at some of what they discuss in

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Speaker 1: their brief. They say, they tell other senators follow the

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Speaker 1: constitution and rise above partisan differences. As you hear the case,

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Speaker 1: president Trump abused the power of his office to solicit

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Speaker 1: foreign interference in our elections for his own personal political gain,

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Speaker 1: thereby jeopardizing our national security, the integrity of our elections,

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Speaker 1: and our democracy. The impeachment manager said in a statement, So,

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Speaker 1: you want senators to rise above partisan differences and follow

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Speaker 1: the constitution, but you are putting forth an entirely partisan

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Speaker 1: of staying or switch parties altogether. But you want senators

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Speaker 1: to rise above what does that mean? They want senators

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Speaker 1: to turn their backs and stab stab their voters in

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Speaker 1: the back, basically is what they're asking for senators to do. Really,

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Speaker 1: of course, you know this is just a charade to

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Speaker 1: as possible while taking those going against for example, Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden off the campaign trail in the Senate as a

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Speaker 1: means of trying to inflict maximum political punishment rolling into

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election. So then the White House put

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Speaker 1: out a short concise, I think, pretty strong defense, and

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Speaker 1: they say the articles of impeachment violate the Constitution. They

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Speaker 1: are defective in their entirety. They're the product of invalid

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Speaker 1: proceedings that flagrantly denied the president any due process rights.

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Speaker 1: They rest on dangerous distortions of the Constitution that would

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Speaker 1: do lasting damage to our structure of government. And then

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Speaker 1: it goes on to say that in the first article

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Speaker 1: of the House attempts to seize the president's power on

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Speaker 1: Article two of the Constitution to determine foreign policy. This

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Speaker 1: is the abuse of power quote article. In the second article,

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Speaker 1: this is the obstruction of Congress. None of these are

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Speaker 1: high crimes defined as high crimes and misdemeanors, or any

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Speaker 1: of the other actual crimes stated in the impeachment quause

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Speaker 1: of the Constitution. Of course, in the second article, the

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Speaker 1: House attempts to control and penalize the assertion of the

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Speaker 1: executive branches constitutional privileges while simultaneously seeking to destroy the

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Speaker 1: Framers system of checks and balances. By approving the article,

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Speaker 1: is the House violate our constitutional order, legally abused its

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Speaker 1: power of impeachment and attempted to obstruct President Trump's ability

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Speaker 1: to faithfully execute the duties of his office. They sell

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Speaker 1: to undermine his authority under Article two of the Constitution,

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Speaker 1: presume and I think this is, by the way, the

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Speaker 1: most important paragraph and the whole thing, in order to

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Speaker 1: preserve our constitutional structure of government, to reject the poisonous

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Speaker 1: partisanship that the Framers warned against, and by the way,

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Speaker 1: many of the House Democrats who were there during the

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Speaker 1: Quinton impeachment warned against. To ensure one party political impeachment

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Speaker 1: vendettas did not become the new normal, and to vindicate

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Speaker 1: the will of the American people, the Senate must reject

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Speaker 1: both articles of impeachment. In the end, this entire process

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Speaker 1: is nothing more than a dangerous attack on the American

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Speaker 1: people themselves and their fundamental right to vote. And that's true.

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Speaker 1: And again, what drives me nuts about this whole thing

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Speaker 1: is that this even has to be written. There shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have to be a brief because the whole process is illegitimate.

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Speaker 1: The process is illegitimate, the substance is illegitimate. It's a joke.

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Speaker 1: And it pains me that Republicans are being forced to

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Speaker 1: play defense by Democrats rules when Democrats don't control the Presidency,

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Speaker 1: and they don't control the Senate either, And that is why,

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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell and the other Republicans step up and fight

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Speaker 1: the Democrats just as hard as the Democrats are fighting them,

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Speaker 1: whether they realize it's an attack on themselves or not.

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Speaker 1: If for no other reason, then protect the institutions, whatever

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Speaker 1: reason you have to find to muster the defense that

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Speaker 1: the President deserves, the American people deserve, the Constitution deserves

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Speaker 1: against an anti constitutional, poetical adversary. So there was news

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Speaker 1: that Mitch McConnell has built in a kill switch in

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Speaker 1: the rules governing the impeachment, and you always, the devil

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Speaker 1: is always in the details in a process like this,

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Speaker 1: And as I've said, McConnell knows all the different kind

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Speaker 1: of parliamentary procedures, how you can phrase the language properly

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Speaker 1: to fight the Democrats with the same fervor that they're

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Speaker 1: fighting the President and the Republicans. So he supposedly inserted

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Speaker 1: this kill switch. What does that mean? There's a measure.

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Speaker 1: According to Senator Josh Holly, Republican from Missouri who has

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Speaker 1: been very good on impeachment and many other issues for

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Speaker 1: that matter, a freshman senator who emerged as a top

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Speaker 1: eye of the president, had previously drafted a measure dismissing

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Speaker 1: the charges if the House did not formally transmit them

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Speaker 1: by changing Senate rules to do so. He said that

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Speaker 1: the rules package for the impeachment trial includes a measure

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Speaker 1: that allows for the president's legal team to quickly push

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Speaker 1: for a summary judgment or dismissal at any time should

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Speaker 1: things get wild. The way Hally describes it himself is

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Speaker 1: my understandings that the resolution will give the president's team

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Speaker 1: the option to either move to judgment or to move

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Speaker 1: to dismiss at a meaningful time. And it's sad that

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Speaker 1: it's come to this because we couldn't get enough Republicans

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Speaker 1: to dismiss the thing general. Now instead we have to

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Speaker 1: in some sense legitimize a charade, and that is what

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Speaker 1: really sticks in My craw about this whole issue is

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Speaker 1: that if it's illegitimate, the fact that we put all

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Speaker 1: these constitutional niceties on it, these bells and whistles, and

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Speaker 1: we're treating some we're treating an adversary who wants to

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Speaker 1: kill us, as if they're operating in some form of

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Speaker 1: good faith. And that's why it's not just about dismissing

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Speaker 1: or acquitting. It should be about punishing Democrats for putting

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Speaker 1: this thing forth in the first place. And again, sort

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Speaker 1: of like with Hillary Clinton, how she was never actually

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Speaker 1: brought to real justice. The only justice was her losing

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Speaker 1: the American people putting Donald Trump in the Oval office.

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Speaker 1: It's the same thing in twenty twenty. I have a

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Speaker 1: feeling that we're going to be the only ones that

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Speaker 1: have a say in terms of whether Democrats really pay

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Speaker 1: a price for this fraud that they've been foisting on

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Speaker 1: the American people. Another illustration of the fraudulent, the whole

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Speaker 1: fraudulent tenor of this quote unquote impeachment non impeachment, and

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Speaker 1: this is from Jonathan Turley, again a civil libertarian on

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Speaker 1: the left. He wrote a little post on Gerald Nadwer,

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Speaker 1: House Judiciary Chair. Complete phony in this by the way.

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Speaker 1: I wrote about this right after the mid term elections

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Speaker 1: when he was on a train ride back from New

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Speaker 1: York and Molly hamming Away, of my colleague at the Federalists,

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Speaker 1: reported that she just happened to be sitting in the

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Speaker 1: train car behind him where he announced basically that they

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Speaker 1: were going to be doing impeachment, and a bunch of

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Speaker 1: calls to supposedly private cause should have been private cause,

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Speaker 1: no discretion, I guess from nadwer were he telegraphed that

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Speaker 1: this is the way that we were going into impeachment.

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Speaker 1: And I wrote after that about some video that if

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Speaker 1: anyone go on c SPAN, take a look at the

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Speaker 1: impeachment proceedings during Quentin nat were made the most rigorous

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Speaker 1: defense you could ever have for President Donald Trump. Never

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Speaker 1: have it. You should never have a partisan impeachment. It

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Speaker 1: should never be one sided. It's a disaster for the

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Speaker 1: American people, it's a disaster for the constitution, it's a

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Speaker 1: disaster for liberty. Showing himself to be a complete hypocrite

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Speaker 1: now and so Turley talks about the fact that Nader

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Speaker 1: doesn't want Hunter Biden to be called as a witness.

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Speaker 1: He says there will be no trades of witnesses. Well,

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Speaker 1: here's what Turley says, if true, that nadver will not

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Speaker 1: do this trade of witnesses if Hunter Biden is a

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Speaker 1: part of the deal, witnesses to be called during the

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Speaker 1: Senate trial. So if Democrats get to call John Bolton,

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Speaker 1: Republicans get to call Hunter Biden. If true, is the

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Speaker 1: House prepared to give up on proving its case to

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Speaker 1: protect the Bidens from the ignoble moment of answering questions

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Speaker 1: about the Ukraine contract. That is a considerable price to

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Speaker 1: pay to protect Joe Biden. It's also another reason why

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Speaker 1: the decision to rushed impeachment vote was such a historic

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Speaker 1: blunder by Speaker Pelosi. They waited a couple of months,

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Speaker 1: They could have called these witnesses and not handed over

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Speaker 1: control of the Senate. Instead, they impeached by Christmas and

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Speaker 1: then waited a month. So why would they do that?

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Speaker 1: Was that a blunder a tactical blunder by Pelosi and

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Speaker 1: her colleagues. Well, again, I think it points to a

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Speaker 1: motive potentially for or pretext a justification for taking off

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Speaker 1: the fields Joe Biden's competitors. If you looked at impeachment

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Speaker 1: purely through a Biden prism, his competition has been taken

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Speaker 1: off the playing field. If this trial goes for weeks

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Speaker 1: and weeks number one and then number two, Biden unethical behavior,

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Speaker 1: real quid pro quo, real bribery is at the heart

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Speaker 1: of the whole impeachment sham. So is the impeachment sham,

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Speaker 1: like the more Special Council, in effect, another cover up

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Speaker 1: more special council tied up a bunch of loose ends

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Speaker 1: with respect to misconduct on the government side in pursuing Trump.

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Speaker 1: Is this again Democrat attempt to obstruct misconduct on their

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Speaker 1: side with Biden because qui quid pro quo and bribery

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Speaker 1: which Democrats would no longer apply to President Trump because

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Speaker 1: they know that it's not there and they know that

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Speaker 1: it doesn't fit their impeachment article. Is when they pull tests,

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Speaker 1: you know, what are the words that work? Could it

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Speaker 1: once again be that they engaged in the very behavior

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Speaker 1: that they accused Trump and Republicans of? And could it

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Speaker 1: be once again that they are trying to cover up

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Speaker 1: that malfeasance by claiming malfeasance on the other side. Urge

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Speaker 1: you to read by the way Peter Schweitzer's column on

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Speaker 1: how five Biden family members have all profited handsomely during

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Speaker 1: his time in office, sometimes directly and other times indirectly

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Speaker 1: related to the positions senior level positions that he's held

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Speaker 1: for decades and decades, and then I'll leave it with this.

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Speaker 1: On the impeachment subject, Byron York also wrote a great

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Speaker 1: column where he talks about two of the deceptions at

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Speaker 1: the heart of the brief that the Democrats put forth

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Speaker 1: explaining why it is imperative that we must remove the

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Speaker 1: president today even though they have no case, and they

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Speaker 1: say for protecting the integrity of the current presidential race

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Speaker 1: since last time he got help from Russia and he

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Speaker 1: accepted it. Read York's column, I urge you to read it.

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Speaker 1: He talks about these two deceptions, one of them being

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Speaker 1: that Trump wanted Ukraine to investigate quote unquote a debunked

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theory that Russia did not interfere in the twenty

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Speaker 1: sixteen presidential election to aid President Trump, but instead of

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Speaker 1: Ukraine interfered in that election to aid President Trumps opponent

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. Okay, I would question that assertion York gives

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Speaker 1: them concedes the fact that effectively Russia was solely trying

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Speaker 1: to aid President Trump. I mean it doesn't say solely

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Speaker 1: in their quote, but trying to aid President Trump, when

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Speaker 1: in reality, Russia was trying to sow discord. And if

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Speaker 1: you look at it, they paid for ads for a

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Speaker 1: bunch of candidates, not just President Trump, including Democrats. But

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Speaker 1: weave that aside for the sake of argument. There's never

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Speaker 1: been an argument that Ukraine interfered to help Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 1: and not know Russia involvement. That's a flat out lie.

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Speaker 1: So that's York's first points, which was a very good point,

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Speaker 1: and it's very clear that there's absolutely evidence out there

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Speaker 1: of Ukrainian officials who did not want Trump to win

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Speaker 1: and put out words to records to that effect, including

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Speaker 1: I believe the New York Times reporting on this thrown

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Speaker 1: under the rug now shoved under the rug. And then

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Speaker 1: the other part is about asking Russia for help when obviously,

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Speaker 1: as you know, Trump welcomed Russian election interference. Was not

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Speaker 1: what Trump did, he said release the emails. It was

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Speaker 1: obviously in jest in a context of a much broader narrative.

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Speaker 1: So what York argues that it's totally misleading to say

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Speaker 1: that that was genuinely asking for Russian help and Russian

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Speaker 1: interference in the election. As he writes, Trump did in

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Speaker 1: fact welcome Russia based weeks, but grossly out of context.

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Speaker 1: The context is this Trump welcome Russia based weeks about

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Speaker 1: the Quinton campaign because the media were enthusiastically embracing and

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Speaker 1: repeating Russian based weeks about the Quintin campaign print, Internet TV.

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Speaker 1: Everyone was accepting, repeating and amplifying the material release by

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Speaker 1: wiki weeks from the Russian hack of top Quinton campaign

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Speaker 1: official John Podesta, and then he runs through a bunch

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Speaker 1: of articles talking about this as well. It's just representative

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Speaker 1: the fact that these two assertions would be at the

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Speaker 1: heart of the Democrats brief It's just so representative of

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Speaker 1: the fact that this whole thing is a sham. It's

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Speaker 1: a joke, and that's why it should be treated as such.

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Speaker 1: It should be taken seriously from the perspective Democrats are

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Speaker 1: going to fight tooth and nail and claw and do

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Speaker 1: everything they possibly can to extract as much blood as

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Speaker 1: they possibly can from this process. But it is a

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Speaker 1: joke on the merits and it should be treated as

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Speaker 1: such by us certain way. It's a serious attack on us,

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party, the president, representative of the forgotten man

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Speaker 1: in this country. But the way that it's being handled

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Speaker 1: exposes the nature of our opponent and they cannot be

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Speaker 1: dealt with is if we're fighting on an even playing

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Speaker 1: fielder here for them, it's always the ends justify the means.

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Speaker 1: We need to take that deathly seriously. This has been

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Speaker 1: one going in for Buck Sexon on the Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: This has Ben Weingarten in for Buck Sexton. I want

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Speaker 1: to turn from domestic developments to international developments, and on

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Speaker 1: this show, I like to talk about China as the

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Speaker 1: main focus on the national security and foreign policy side,

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Speaker 1: because we should never lose track of it. Number one,

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Speaker 1: number two. Much of the main news stories that the

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Speaker 1: mainstream media is going to focus on are only seeing

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Speaker 1: through the Trump focus prism. Number one and number two

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Speaker 1: missed the context of just how substantial this reorientation in

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Speaker 1: US national security and foreign policy is towards viewing China

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Speaker 1: as the number one international threat to our liberty. That

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Speaker 1: is the essential story. It shouldn't be lost in the

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Speaker 1: fog of a disinformation war that the left has created

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Speaker 1: and propagated through their communications arm in the media. And

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Speaker 1: in just a couple of minutes we're going to bring

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Speaker 1: on someone who is, in my view, one of the

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Speaker 1: best China experts and very focused on Taiwan in particular.

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Speaker 1: But I do think again it pays to level set

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Speaker 1: always with what is the nature of this regime? And

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Speaker 1: last week I talked about some of the brutal human

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Speaker 1: rights abuses, the tyrannical totalitarian nature of the Chinese Communist

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Speaker 1: Party that controls every entity in China and then seeks

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Speaker 1: to control dissenters abroad and suppress them as well. There's

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Speaker 1: an article I really I urge you to read it

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Speaker 1: in its entirety because it is chilling and it should

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Speaker 1: underscore just how serious this threat is emerging and coming

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Speaker 1: on fast. There's an article in The Diplomat titled Exporting

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Speaker 1: China's Social Credit System to Central Asia and the subtitle

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Speaker 1: is Beijing building a cross border social engineering system, one

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Speaker 1: software solution at a time. Now, you know, this social

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Speaker 1: credit system is basically where China collects intelligence, monitors, tracks

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Speaker 1: all of their citizens and assigns them a score based

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Speaker 1: upon effectively how closely do they adhere to the Chinese

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Speaker 1: Communist Party line and the aims of the states. And

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Speaker 1: if you don't, you pay all sorts of penalties, including

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Speaker 1: not being able to take flights outside the country. It

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Speaker 1: could impact your actual credit score, your ability to get

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Speaker 1: a mortgage. There every aspect of your life under a

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Speaker 1: microscope of the Chinese Communist Party. So here are a

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Speaker 1: couple of the anecdotes about that. By September twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: fourteen point six million untrustworthy Chinese nationalists were banned from

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Speaker 1: buying plane tickets. By December twenty eighteen, three and a

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Speaker 1: half million Chinese nationals have reversed their untrustworthy status through

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Speaker 1: various forms of community service, so they came in line

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Speaker 1: with the party. Many Chinese nationals have quickly adapted to

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Speaker 1: this new way of discipline. It works, and now China's

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Speaker 1: handing out a system to its neighbors, and that's the problem,

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Speaker 1: by the way, for us and the rest of the world.

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Speaker 1: So this article goes into all these other countries that

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Speaker 1: have been consulting with China in its near and further

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Speaker 1: abroad about implementing this sort of system. Theirself to judge

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Speaker 1: their own citizens. And who runs those systems operates four

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Speaker 1: of them. Where's the software coming from in the hardware, Oh,

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Speaker 1: comes from China. Can you imagine what China can do

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Speaker 1: with that information, that power, and that control. When they

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Speaker 1: say you are the product and China's offering this free

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Speaker 1: in many instances, you really are the product. Here take

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Speaker 1: a short break. This has been one for Buck Sex

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Speaker 1: on the Buck Sex and Show. More on China just

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Speaker 1: after this. Thanks for listening to the bus Sex and

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Speaker 1: Show podcasts. Remember to subscribe on Apple podcasts, the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: Buck Sex and Show. This is Ben Weingarten in for

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton, and before the break, I was talking a

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Speaker 1: little bit about China's social credit system, one of the

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Speaker 1: most Orwellian advents that we've seen in the twenty first century,

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Speaker 1: and they're exporting of that system abroad. And it speaks

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Speaker 1: to a more fundamental issue, which is at China does

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Speaker 1: not and the Chinese Communist Party itself does not just

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Speaker 1: desire to obviously dominate its own mainland, but it has expansionist,

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Speaker 1: you could argue imperialist ambitions as well, and one of

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Speaker 1: those imperialist ambitions concerns Taiwan. Here to join me to

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about recent developments in Taiwan and

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Speaker 1: this theme that I just mentioned is former Deputy National

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Speaker 1: Security Advisor to the Vice President, Dick Cheney and CEO

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Speaker 1: of consulting firm DC International Advisory, Steve. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for coming on the program. My pleasure. Happy to join. So, Steve,

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Speaker 1: you were recently in Taiwan for their elections, which was

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Speaker 1: resulted and I believe a resounding victory for the DPP

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Speaker 1: Democratic Progressive Party. First of all, why should Americans care

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Speaker 1: about what just went down in Taiwan. Well, Americans should

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Speaker 1: care because, first and foremost, this is the only democracy

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Speaker 1: on the planet that the establishment deep state folks in Washington,

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Speaker 1: DC have convinced the US government to help isolate and ignore,

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Speaker 1: so we don't give them diplomatic relations. We've sent former

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Speaker 1: Secretaries and State when they were in office to negotiate

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Speaker 1: with the likes of the Iranians. We've established diplomatic relations

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Speaker 1: with Cuba, but somehow this self governing, free and democratic

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Speaker 1: island we've been complicit in isolating. So first and foremost,

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Speaker 1: I think as Americans, we should want to fix this mistake.

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Speaker 1: But second, the Communist Party of China has taken on

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Speaker 1: a very aggressive kind of all options on the table

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Speaker 1: approach to influence operations, in other words, trying to shape

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Speaker 1: politics and national security decision making in many parts around

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Speaker 1: the world to their favor. Their right to try, but

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Speaker 1: we have been slow in the free world to wake

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Speaker 1: up to this challenge. Taiwan is by far per but

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Speaker 1: of the most attacked territory on the planet by the

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Speaker 1: Communist Party of China in these ways, and so watching

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Speaker 1: the democracy of Taiwan and action is a good lesson

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Speaker 1: for us to basically be smarter about what we do

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Speaker 1: here in the United States and how to bolster our

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Speaker 1: allies to keep the pressure on the Chinese Communist Party

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Speaker 1: in Asia so they can't place so much on our

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Speaker 1: own turf. And I mentioned the Democratic Progressive Party their

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Speaker 1: president remaining in power and it being really a resounding

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Speaker 1: victory in contrast to the party that is viewed as

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Speaker 1: more aligned with the Chinese Communist Party and open amenable

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Speaker 1: to some form of a reunification. What were your takeaways

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Speaker 1: from the recent election. Well, I think the Communist Party

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Speaker 1: of China was on the ballot in this Taiwan election.

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Speaker 1: I take nothing away from President taining One, who did

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Speaker 1: indeed win a resounding reelection, but there are a couple

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Speaker 1: of unusual well things that happened. In most developed democracies,

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Speaker 1: we have polling that shows the youth vote going strongly

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Speaker 1: one way or another when it comes to their candidate

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Speaker 1: preference or party preference, but then they don't tend to

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Speaker 1: turn out to vote as well. Well. The developments of

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Speaker 1: Hong Kong changed that profoundly for the younger demographic in Taiwan.

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Speaker 1: They saw the youth of Hong Kong being willing to

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Speaker 1: risk everything and frankly continue to get arrested to stand

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Speaker 1: up for their fundamental rights against the Communist Party's encroachment,

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Speaker 1: and the youth of Taiwan felt even more committed to

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Speaker 1: turning out. There were a lot of people from Hong

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Speaker 1: Kong that were in Taiwan for the election. It was

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Speaker 1: really moving commentary to hear them tell Taiwan audiences about

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Speaker 1: why they need to protect the democracy that they have,

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Speaker 1: don't let themselves become the next Hong Kong. So I

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Speaker 1: think really Hijingping, the leader of the Communist Party, of

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Speaker 1: China and the party itself the ballot and overwhelmingly lost

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Speaker 1: in Taiwan, which represents the second popular massive rebuke of

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Speaker 1: the Communist Party if you count the local elections in

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Speaker 1: Hong Kong. Not that long ago. You mentioned real genuine

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Speaker 1: foreign interference in Taiwan's democratic election system and government. What

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Speaker 1: are some of the lessons for Americans based upon Taiwan's

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Speaker 1: experience dealing with in effect attacks, information warfare attacks, at

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Speaker 1: the very least from the Chinese Communist Party there? Well.

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Speaker 1: Number one, we have to stop playing sort of junior

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Speaker 1: high school games about the twenty sixteen election and whatever

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Speaker 1: was done by way of Facebook adds. What the Chinese

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Speaker 1: Communist Party is doing is much larger in scale in

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Speaker 1: terms of geographical reach, but also in terms of money

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Speaker 1: and assets involved. And they don't limit their information operations

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Speaker 1: or influence operations to just some online postings of fake news.

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Speaker 1: They have ways of trying to put pressure on our

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Speaker 1: academic institutions, putting pressure on our media organizations. And this

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Speaker 1: is what you learn when you watch things in Taiwan

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Speaker 1: up close and personal. They have learned that they have

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Speaker 1: to track what they call red capital money that comes

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Speaker 1: from the mainland directly or indirectly to control or shape

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Speaker 1: the information environment they operate in. And so they have

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01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: the classical spy versus spy stuff where former military officers

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Speaker 1: get induced to come to the mainland to sell out

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Speaker 1: their country. We have to watch out for that. But

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Speaker 1: they also have these modern techniques that are quite successful

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Speaker 1: in some ways, where they throw money at universities, and

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Speaker 1: the universities become less open to free speech and free thought,

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Speaker 1: and they basically conform to what their donors do. And

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Speaker 1: it's one thing if those donors are from free market,

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Speaker 1: free world. It's another thing if they're basically taking their

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Speaker 1: marching orders from the Communist Party of China. And that's

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Speaker 1: happened in American universities. But the Taiwanese have more educated

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Speaker 1: and engage population now taking it seriously. We can learn

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Speaker 1: from what they're doing to resist. I think it's worth

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Speaker 1: reiterating the point that's sort of implicit in all of this,

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Speaker 1: which is that information warfare is really a fight to

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Speaker 1: win a war of ideas, so that you can ultimately

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Speaker 1: triumph in the way of getting other nations to bend

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Speaker 1: to your will or even worse, without ever having to

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Speaker 1: fire a shot at the core isn't really what China

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Speaker 1: is attempting to do, to exert their power wherever they

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Speaker 1: see fit, whenever they see fit. At the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, I think it is. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: much more complicated than that, and they have every right

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Speaker 1: to try. But we just need to remember that this

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Speaker 1: is not just two average athletes taking the field. We

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Speaker 1: have a force that is fundamental evil and taking free

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Speaker 1: will away from the people that governs, and another force

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Speaker 1: that sacrifices every single day preserve that freedom to choose.

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Speaker 1: It's not just for ourselves but others around the world,

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Speaker 1: and the Communist Party of China has been at this

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Speaker 1: for a long time. We have chosen, I think unwisely

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Speaker 1: to invest in ways that have made them more modern,

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Speaker 1: more capable, and more powerful to our disadvantage. And I

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Speaker 1: think we've sobered up a bit. But the challenge is

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Speaker 1: very real and we're at the front end of figuring

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Speaker 1: out how to meet it. And you're quite right to note,

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Speaker 1: if we're smart about this, we have a lot of

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Speaker 1: means at our disposal where this doesn't have to end

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Speaker 1: up in a classical military clash. We can and should

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Speaker 1: be doing more to make things more complicated for them

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Speaker 1: at home. After all, they're failing their people too, not

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Speaker 1: just challenging ours. Yea. And to that end, there were reports,

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Speaker 1: for example, of a directive from the National Security Council

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Speaker 1: that would have authorize the US engaging more an offensive

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Speaker 1: cyber warfare, which clearly would implicate China. What would you

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Speaker 1: advocate that the US government to do in terms of

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Speaker 1: going on the offensive as opposed to being reactive or,

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Speaker 1: as we've been in the past, wilfully ignorant or willfully

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Speaker 1: blind to it. Well, sadly, you're right, you have been

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Speaker 1: willfully ignorant and too passive. And I do support offensive

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Speaker 1: cyber operations, after all, our enemies are going to do

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Speaker 1: that to us. I just don't believe in the false

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Speaker 1: distinction between offensive versus defensive capabilities. If I have a

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Speaker 1: gun in my hand and the barrel is pounded outward,

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Speaker 1: it's defensive to me and it's offensive to somebody else.

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Speaker 1: And it's nearly no different with a lot of the

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Speaker 1: tools that are in the cyber world. But fundamentally, what

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Speaker 1: we're talking about is trying to break down the great

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Speaker 1: firewall of China that is keeping people in and under

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Speaker 1: control and basically turn some of these tools that were

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Speaker 1: men to promote freedom and empowerment and prosperity into really

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Speaker 1: meeting those ends. In other words, within China, the internet

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Speaker 1: and social media have really been used to create an

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Speaker 1: Orwellian surveillance and control state. But we have been complicit

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Speaker 1: and being passive about pushing information, choices and the truth

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Speaker 1: in the China so that the leaders would have to

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Speaker 1: be accountable to that truth. We're very behind that. On

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Speaker 1: the other hand, we've allowed our freedom in some ways

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Speaker 1: to be our vulnerability. We want people to like us,

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Speaker 1: we want them to have a taste of what we have.

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Speaker 1: We think it will influence them, and that works some

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Speaker 1: of the time. It just doesn't work as well when

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Speaker 1: you have a determined, basically ideologically committed enemy that's operating

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Speaker 1: against you. How one of the things, just to level

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Speaker 1: set a bit on Taiwan specifically, that our listeners may

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Speaker 1: not be aware of, is that China basically undertook a

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Speaker 1: campaign to other nations to a test you're either with

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Speaker 1: us or you're with Taiwan, and most people sided with

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Speaker 1: the People's Republic of China so called not Taiwan, and

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Speaker 1: thus Taiwan sort of is in diplomatic limbo in some ways,

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Speaker 1: in terms of not being recognized by many nations that

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Speaker 1: we see an official basis, including being in a sort

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Speaker 1: of fluid position with respect to the US. How much

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Speaker 1: of a propaganda coup would it be against the Chinese

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Speaker 1: Communist Party if nations started to recognize Taiwan one Domino

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Speaker 1: foul and then several foul, Well, it would be a

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Speaker 1: diplomatic cool of sorts. But I'm afraid it really would

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Speaker 1: just be a reclamation of common sense and truth. And so,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not something that you would do out

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Speaker 1: of any sense of malice towards China. It's something we

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Speaker 1: should do out of self respect and sort of looking

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Speaker 1: at this island nation of Taiwan as never having been

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Speaker 1: under the sovereign control the People's Republic of China. The

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Speaker 1: Communist Party of China declared revolution on the Chinese people

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Speaker 1: back in the nineteen forties. They did, in fact when

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Speaker 1: that civil war and took control of the mainland. They

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Speaker 1: never took control of Taiwan. And I think it's been

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Speaker 1: weak minds, an appeasement mindset that has granted them the

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Speaker 1: latitude to control our language and our thought for the

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Speaker 1: better part of the last fifty years in trying to

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Speaker 1: say there is one China in the world and the

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Speaker 1: Taiwan is a part of it. What all you have

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Speaker 1: to do is look at a map and you'll see

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Speaker 1: that the island is significantly offshore. And if you just

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Speaker 1: read a little bit of history, you'll realize the Communist

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Speaker 1: Party has never controlled it. If they want to unify

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Speaker 1: with Taiwan, it's their business, but we should be there

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Speaker 1: to help insist that it be peaceful and with the

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Speaker 1: consent of the Taiwan people. I don't think that they'll

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Speaker 1: win that consent, but really that is where we need

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Speaker 1: to be. And I think the US government under the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration has made a significant shift in the right direction,

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Speaker 1: at least initially in pressuring Taiwan's remaining allies to stay

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Speaker 1: firm and not get bought off by Chinese inducements. But

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Speaker 1: we would do right by ourselves, not just as a

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Speaker 1: favorite of Taiwan, to say we're going to increase levels

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Speaker 1: of diplomatic recognition for Taiwan. And it's really only after

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Speaker 1: the United States leads the way that others will have

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Speaker 1: the courage and common sense to do so as well.

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Speaker 1: I think it would be an investment in ultimately peace

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Speaker 1: and prosperity and put the pressure on the mainland to

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Speaker 1: improve itself if it really wants the acceptance of the

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Speaker 1: Taiwan people and US. Lastly, looking just to our north, today,

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Speaker 1: March the beginning of the extradition trial of Huawei's CFO,

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Speaker 1: who is being held effectively under house arrest in Canada

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Speaker 1: based upon US brought charges involving both bank fraud and

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Speaker 1: then dealings with Iran that Huawei allegedly lied about. What

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Speaker 1: do you make of this trial and what is its significance? Well,

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Speaker 1: there are a couple of things that play in it.

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Speaker 1: Number One, we have the relatives of high ranking communist

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Speaker 1: leaders that get posh exceedingly well paid jobs to go

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Speaker 1: around the world pretending as if they're not affront for

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Speaker 1: the Communist Party of China and their commercial enterprise. That's

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Speaker 1: an important wake up call for people to look at.

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Speaker 1: The second, this company, Huawei, was actively engaged in avoiding

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Speaker 1: sanctions against the Iran. So we have the dublicity of

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Speaker 1: the Chinese government at the United Nations occasionally going along

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Speaker 1: with a broad based vote on sanctions related to counter

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Speaker 1: proliferation or otherwise, but then commercially actively working to undermine

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Speaker 1: those sanctions. And then the other thing I think is

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Speaker 1: really really important not to forget this high ranking Huawei

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01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: officer was, in fact looks pretty guilty of doing these

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01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: things that undermine our national security. But the Chinese, in

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01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: retaliation against the Canadian government took a couple of Canadian

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Speaker 1: NGO workers who haven't been seen since. And so we

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01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: have this dichotomy of Chinese commercial slash party person on

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Speaker 1: trial in Canada but living in Martha Stewart luxury prison accommodations.

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Speaker 1: And then we have these two poor NGO workers that

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Speaker 1: have been put into what I'm sure is a much

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Speaker 1: less humane environment in China and have been taken off

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Speaker 1: the grid. So that's what that stake in that trial.

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Speaker 1: Are we going to have rule of law and a

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Speaker 1: China that honors obligations and put outward. Are these companies

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Speaker 1: for real commercial or are they political and strategic? And

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01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: then we have this whole issue of retaliation that really

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Speaker 1: hasn't got the international attention to deserve. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to leave it right there. Steve, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: coming on the program. Always appreciate it my pleasure to

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Speaker 1: take care of And this is Ben Wegarden in for

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexon on the buck Sexton Show. Back just after

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Speaker 1: this you're in the Freedom Hud. This is the buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back to the buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: This is Ben wein Garden in four Buck Sexton. I

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Speaker 1: want to transition from Asia to the Middle East. And

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Speaker 1: there was a story out of the Middle East that well,

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Speaker 1: someone was brought to justice who should have been brought

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Speaker 1: to justice. Let's put it that way. The headline on

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Speaker 1: American Greatness was Islamic State heavyweight nabed in Iraq so

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Speaker 1: fat he had to be loaded onto flatbed truck. The

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Speaker 1: Iraqi military have bagged a biggin the five hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty pound Islamic state Mufti, known as Job of the

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Speaker 1: Hut or Job of the Jihad. I believe is the

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Speaker 1: way the New York Post wrote it up. It's so

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Speaker 1: enormously fat. After he was captured, Iraqi forces had to

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Speaker 1: load him on into a flatbed truck because he couldn't

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Speaker 1: fit in a police car. The ices heavyweight at Abu Abdullabari,

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Speaker 1: also known as Shifa Alima, put the fat in Fatua.

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Speaker 1: According to The New York Post, he was napped Thursday

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Speaker 1: by an AID swat team of the Ninevah Regiment in

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Speaker 1: the city of Mosul. Stars and Stripes reported on Friday.

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Speaker 1: Despite his more bid obesity, the Islamic state official was

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Speaker 1: known to be a cruel monster who raped and murdered civilians.

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Speaker 1: So I think this is a good representative of who

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Speaker 1: these Islamic supremacists are because this guy could not move

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Speaker 1: and he was a coward sending out people to commit

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Speaker 1: the most heinous of acts in the name of his religion.

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Speaker 1: This Islamic supremacist monster. We're gonna talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: more about some Islamic supremacist monsters right after this quick break.

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Speaker 1: This has been wager in for Buck sexon on the

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Speaker 1: Buck Second Show. Back just after this. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: to the bus Sex Show podcast. Remember to subscribe on

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Speaker 1: Apple Podcast, the iHeart Radio app, or wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. This

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Speaker 1: is Ben Weingarten in four Bucks Sexton and before the

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Speaker 1: break we were talking a little bit about this transition

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Speaker 1: from Asia to the Middle East, and in particular in

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Speaker 1: this case a little bit north to Iran, and there

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Speaker 1: was a video making the rounds over the weekend, being propagated,

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Speaker 1: of course, by the Islamic supremacist regime in Tehran's minions.

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Speaker 1: Let's call them Solomani because them Solomani holding his grandson

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Speaker 1: and cooing and coddling him. And so one commenter on

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Speaker 1: this was noting, Iran carefully shaped his image in life

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Speaker 1: and continues to do so in depth. And all I

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Speaker 1: could think to myself looking at these images and there

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Speaker 1: it's revolting to see them try to portray this man

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Speaker 1: as some kind of humanitarian. Remember, Solomani had the blood

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Speaker 1: of hundreds of Americans on his hand, Dad Americans from

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Speaker 1: roadside bombs that he was responsible for perfecting, thousands of

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Speaker 1: other Americans injured, maimed, not to mention thousands of other

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Speaker 1: civilians around the world. It's hundreds of thousands of people

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Speaker 1: in Syria, all of the Europeans who have had to

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Speaker 1: deal with the Syrian refugee crises themselves. This man has

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Speaker 1: done incalculable damage as a human being, as the leader,

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Speaker 1: the orchestrator of Iran's imperialist ambitions, growing them around the world.

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Speaker 1: And they put out this picture and all I can

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Speaker 1: think to myself is this man is a monster. And

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Speaker 1: you should read the comments because the comments in this case,

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Speaker 1: read the comments because those other people have hit the

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Speaker 1: nail on the head with respect to this sort of

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Speaker 1: jihadas propaganda coming out of Iran. And you know, the

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Speaker 1: sickening thing really when you think about it, is how

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Speaker 1: much different is this image being portrayed of him holding

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Speaker 1: his grandson. Well, first of all, again, how many people

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Speaker 1: will never be able to hold their child or their

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Speaker 1: grandchild because of what this man did in his life.

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Speaker 1: This monster did in his life. That's my real takeaway.

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Speaker 1: This man has destroyed an incalculable number of families and

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Speaker 1: nations for that matter. But also this is sort of

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Speaker 1: the way that our media portrayed him as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not an austere religious scholar per se, but whatever is

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Speaker 1: analogous to that when it comes to being the architect,

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Speaker 1: the mastermind of Iran's imperialist global ambitions exporting it's Islamist

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Speaker 1: revolution around the world. There was other news out of

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Speaker 1: Iran as well, though that was overshadowed by some of

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Speaker 1: these other headlines, but is husually significant. So here's a

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Speaker 1: headline from the Daily mail exclusive secret document that proves

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Speaker 1: Iran was voting a nuclear weapon as far back as

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Speaker 1: two thousand and two, even while they claimed the technology

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Speaker 1: was only for peaceful purposes. Document was seized as part

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Speaker 1: of a raid by Israeli intelligence agents on a compound

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Speaker 1: in Tehran in twenty eighteen from an Iranian official. This

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Speaker 1: document requesting the parameters of a warhead fitted on a

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Speaker 1: missile in November two thousand and two, and scribbled in

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Speaker 1: the top life corners a note from its nuclear chief

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Speaker 1: who signs off on the plans. And this document is

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Speaker 1: apparently the centerpiece of an as yet unreleased report highlighting

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Speaker 1: Iran's quandestine nuclear activities. Once again, how could you have

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Speaker 1: a deal with a regime that's lied about and concealed

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Speaker 1: and obviouscated and deceived on every aspect of its nuclear

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Speaker 1: effort going back a couple of decades. It's the same

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Speaker 1: guys in power, and it is the supreme leader Kamane

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Speaker 1: running the whole regime. Yeah, when the Obama aministration tried

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Speaker 1: to create this moderates hardliners split within leadership, what they

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Speaker 1: failed to address is the fact that the elected leaders

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Speaker 1: quote unquote are only eligible to achieve those positions if

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Speaker 1: the malocracy controlled by Commander and others around him approve

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Speaker 1: of them. It's a rubber stamped regime. It's a puppet regime.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, it's a puppet regime.

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Speaker 1: So how can you have a deal with them? What

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Speaker 1: is the deal? The deal isn't worth the paper that

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Speaker 1: it's printed on. The deal is Iran continues to advance

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Speaker 1: his program more quandestine way, with one hundreds of billions

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Speaker 1: of dollars more, and then gets it legitimated at the

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Speaker 1: end because of the Sunset provisions that allow Iran to

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Speaker 1: be treated as a legitimate nuclear power to continue its

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Speaker 1: ballistic missile proliferation. And meanwhile, our media, of course headline

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Speaker 1: from the Atlantic this is pretty good. And this is

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Speaker 1: in context of the unraveling of the so called i

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Speaker 1: Ran nuclear deal, as even our European partners start to

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Speaker 1: suddenly realize, hey, maybe this isn't a regime that would

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Speaker 1: actually honor the garbage JCPOA. This is a tweet from

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Speaker 1: Mike Duran and the headline is from the Atlantic, which

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Speaker 1: grudgingly admit that the killing of Solomoni was a masterstroke,

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Speaker 1: but it can't bring itself to give Trump credit for

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Speaker 1: knowing what he was doing. So here's the headline, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump stumbles into a foreign policy triumph that when you

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Speaker 1: have to resort to that, you know we must have

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Speaker 1: done something right. And the article is actually, I think

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Speaker 1: pretty revealing. This is from a European correspondent for The Atlantic,

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Speaker 1: and he writes, well, it's clearly too early to judge

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Speaker 1: the long term ramifications of the president's decision to order

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Speaker 1: the killing. The initial assessment among many in the foreign

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Speaker 1: policy establishment here in London is not quite what you

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Speaker 1: might expect. The attack, in the view of Anos and

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Speaker 1: British officials I spoke with the letter of whom requested

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Speaker 1: and inimitated discuss government discussions, has at a stroke reasserted

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Speaker 1: American military dominance and revealed the constraints of Iranian power.

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Speaker 1: Although Trump's foreign policy strategy, if one even accepts that

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Speaker 1: there is such a thing, of course, they have to

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Speaker 1: be snarky like this and question everything, legitimacy of everything,

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Speaker 1: has many limits. His unpredictability, and most crucially is willingness

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Speaker 1: to escavate a crisis. Okay, that's one way to portrait.

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Speaker 1: Another way is diffuse a crisis by using overwhelming force

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Speaker 1: such that Iran will think twice about doing anything hostile

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Speaker 1: to the US willingness to escavate a crisis using the

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Speaker 1: US military and economic strength have turned the table as

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Speaker 1: on Iran in away few thought possible. What is more,

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Speaker 1: the strike has exposed the gaping irrelevance of Europe's leading

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Speaker 1: powers Britain, France and Germany in this whole crisis. The

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Speaker 1: E three, which were the main parties to the deal,

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Speaker 1: along with the United States and Iran, which have long

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Speaker 1: sought to keep the Iranian nuclear deal alive by undermining

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Speaker 1: the US policy of maximum pressure in Iran, have so

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Speaker 1: far failed to do so. This week, they were finally

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Speaker 1: forced to admit the apparently terminal collapse of the Obama

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Speaker 1: era a nuclear deal, releasing a joint statement to announce

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Speaker 1: that they were triggering its dispute resolution clause because of

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Speaker 1: Tehran's failure to abide by the terms of the agreement.

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Speaker 1: The reality of the situation is startling. Europe's attempts to

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Speaker 1: keep the deal alive have achieved little in Tehran because

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Speaker 1: of the continent's powerlessness. In European opposition to Trump's Iran

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Speaker 1: policy has achieved even less in Washington. In an interview,

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Speaker 1: Boris Johnson all but admitted defeat in keeping the nuclear

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Speaker 1: deal alive, calling instead for a new Trump deal. In

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Speaker 1: other words, Trump exposed reality there was no deal to

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Speaker 1: be had. And as I've written in a couple of

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Speaker 1: articles recently at the Federalists and I'll share them, they

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Speaker 1: were cheating on the deal the whole time. We have

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Speaker 1: documentary evidence of it. But beyond that, we couldn't even

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Speaker 1: have visibility into any of the military sites where likely

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Speaker 1: the nuclear weapon work took place. So okay, they could

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Speaker 1: argue that they may be complied with some of the

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Speaker 1: terms of a deal, but we only saw the places

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Speaker 1: that they wanted us to see. Iran wouldn't let internationally

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Speaker 1: recognized inspectors certified under the deal to verify and do

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Speaker 1: actual checks at the sites where their malign activities actually

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Speaker 1: took place likely take place. So my friend Omri Seran,

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Speaker 1: who's the National security advisor for Senator Ted Cruz and

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Speaker 1: must read it on all things I ran, tweets out

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Speaker 1: news out of Iran. The regime is threatening to decrease

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Speaker 1: cooperation on nuclear issues if the Europeans pressure them over

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Speaker 1: their checks. Notes confirms yep. If the Europeans pressure them

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Speaker 1: over their lack of cooperation on nuclear issues, and that

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Speaker 1: was in response to an article I may review cooperation

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Speaker 1: with IAEA. That's the inspector body. If EU pressure mounts

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Speaker 1: so they didn't abide by the deal, they wouldn't let

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Speaker 1: us check if they were abiding by the deal. And

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Speaker 1: now now if we pressure them over lack of cooperation,

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Speaker 1: they might really get angry. There's no deal to be

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Speaker 1: had with Iran at the end of the day. The

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Speaker 1: only deal ultimately is either this momocratic regime stays in

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Speaker 1: power and advances towards nuclear weaponry, and ultimately we're probably

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Speaker 1: forced to engage in a military response, massive military response,

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Speaker 1: or and the Trump's policies, whether by design or as

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Speaker 1: part of a way to get towards forcing a surrender

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Speaker 1: of this regime, has destabilized this regime to an unprecedented degree.

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Speaker 1: And while a destabilized regime may lash out, at the

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Speaker 1: same time, Iran has been exposed to have major problems,

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Speaker 1: and the incompetence was on foe display. Tragic incompetence was

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Speaker 1: on fot display when they shot down a passenger plan

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Speaker 1: and killed dozens of their own people. As well as

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Speaker 1: people from all over the world, from Canada elsewhere. It's

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Speaker 1: a big deal that even for the European countries, Iran

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Speaker 1: has breached too many of the steps in the deal,

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Speaker 1: too many of the constraints, the strictures and the deal

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Speaker 1: at this point that even they can't stand by IDOI anymore.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, this dispute resolution mechanism that was

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Speaker 1: discussed in that Atlantic article I mentioned, ultimately it could

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Speaker 1: get towards the UN reimposing sanctions on Iran, crippling sanctions

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Speaker 1: which in a country that is already they lost Solamani,

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Speaker 1: They're overstretched abroad, dealing with protesters in all of the

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Speaker 1: different countries that they count as their proxies, Chaos in Iraq,

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Speaker 1: streets of Lebanon, on their own streets, having to resort

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Speaker 1: to murdering, persecuting thousands of their own people. Right now,

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Speaker 1: their coffers going dry, shut out of the international oil markets,

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Speaker 1: main source of revenue. They could be on the ropes

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Speaker 1: and worth it pointing out one more thing while we're

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Speaker 1: sticking on the Iran topic, this was a good piece,

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Speaker 1: a good reminder. Urge you to check out this article

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Speaker 1: on power Line Bernie's history with Iran. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: the left historically in our last episode always stands with

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Speaker 1: these horrible totalitarian regimes. This is in the Daily Beast

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Speaker 1: on April nineteen seventy nine. This is Powerline, quoting that article.

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Speaker 1: April nineteen seventy nine, the theocratic Islamic Republic of Iran

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Speaker 1: was proclaimed Aetola Rojola Commani, who had returned to Iran

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Speaker 1: from exile to assume command of the revolt, became supreme

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Speaker 1: leader in December of that year. His rise was accelerated

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Speaker 1: by the seizure on November four of fifty two American

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Speaker 1: diplomats and citizens and citizens of other countries at the

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Speaker 1: usmbassy in Tehran. Then we have the hostage crisis. Virtually

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Speaker 1: all American Democrats, Republicans and independence united and support of

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Speaker 1: the hostages and the international call for their freedom. One

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Speaker 1: prominent political figure on the twenty twenty stage, then almost

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Speaker 1: completely unknown, stood apart by joining a Marxist Leninist party

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Speaker 1: that not only pledged support for the Iranian theocracy but

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Speaker 1: also justified the hostage taking by insisting the hostages were

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Speaker 1: all likely CIA agents. Who was that person? It was

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders, member of a Trotsky eight party,

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Speaker 1: stood with the Iranian moocracy. By the way, he's not

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Speaker 1: alone in that romance of those sort of regimes, none

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Speaker 1: other than Elizabeth Warren. And this this was unveiled previously,

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Speaker 1: revealed previously, but brought up again recently in an article

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Speaker 1: at front Page called on the Obama administration to clear

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Speaker 1: Ethel Rosenberg's record. Who is Ethel Rosenberg. Well, you'll recall

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Speaker 1: she was tried for treason essential in helping the Soviet

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Speaker 1: Union develop nuclear capabilities the Adam bomb. Rather, as the

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Speaker 1: article states, she could be the next commander in chief.

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Speaker 1: Caught on the Obama administration to formally exonerate Soviet atomic spy.

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Speaker 1: Ethel Rosenberg sent a letter data January ten, twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 1: on behalf of one of her sons, constituent request that

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Speaker 1: you provide a thorough review of their request that you

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Speaker 1: issue a proclamation exonerating his mother. Ethel Rosenberg, executed by

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Speaker 1: the US for conspiracy to commit espionage in nineteen fifty three,

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Speaker 1: effectively a treason this act. She wasn't alone, by the way,

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Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party. But that goes to show you

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Speaker 1: the nature of who we're dealing with on the other side.

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Speaker 1: Right now, once again there has been one going in

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Speaker 1: for buck Sex and on the buck Secon Show back

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Speaker 1: just after this, you're in the Freedom Art. This is

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Speaker 1: the buck Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back to the buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show. This is Ben Weiningerten in four bucks Sexton

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Speaker 1: and let's transition. We just talked about a little bit

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Speaker 1: at the Middle East, Iran's malevolence, the left embrace of

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Speaker 1: that those totalitarian regimes, be it Iran or elsewhere around

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Speaker 1: the globe, and there's another similarity in terms of their ideology.

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Speaker 1: And I'll get there by waye First of talking about

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Speaker 1: the fact that this week President Trump is scheduled to

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Speaker 1: be at Davos. What is the main topic at Davos

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Speaker 1: this year? Naturally climate change? The head of the World

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Speaker 1: Economic Forum, it's founder, Klass Schwab said, we do not

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Speaker 1: want to reach the tipping point of irreversibility on climate change.

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Speaker 1: We do not want the next generations to inherit a

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Speaker 1: world which becomes evermore hostile and ever less habitable. Just

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Speaker 1: think of the wildfires in Australia and we'll get to

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Speaker 1: that in a second. An annual risk survey published by

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Speaker 1: his organization, put climate and other environmental threats ahead of

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Speaker 1: risks posed by geopolitical tensions and cyber attacks the first time.

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Speaker 1: The survey found the top five long term risks were

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Speaker 1: all environmental. Talk about groupthink, from extreme weather events to

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Speaker 1: businesses and governments failing to mitigate and adapt to climate change.

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Speaker 1: Part of this is sustainability, the theme at this year's

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Speaker 1: Davos meeting to deal with grapple with global warming becoming

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Speaker 1: worse because of growing divisions among nations and businesses on

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Speaker 1: how to tackle it. The meetings, which will see over

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Speaker 1: fifty heads of state and government, including German Chance or

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Speaker 1: Angolo Miracle and Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte, descend on

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Speaker 1: the Alpine resort, seeking to give concrete meaning to stakeholder capitalism,

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Speaker 1: a concept that businesses should serve the interests of all

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Speaker 1: society rather than simply their shareholders. Remember I talked about

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Speaker 1: woke chroning capitalism last week when it came to Blackrock.

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Speaker 1: That's the agenda on the table for all of the leaders,

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Speaker 1: the business heads, the politicians around the world meeting at Davos,

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Speaker 1: and I cannot wait for Trump to smash them. Into

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Speaker 1: smithereens during this meeting. Over this fifty three heads of

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Speaker 1: stayed at Davos, seventeen hundred business leaders, including CEOs from

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Speaker 1: eight of the ten most valuable companies in the world.

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Speaker 1: Eighty percent of the cars used by the World Economic

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Speaker 1: Forum are electric or hybrid. Climate is the excuse for

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Speaker 1: the totalitarian, anti capitalist system that they all they're all

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Speaker 1: like minded, all the globalist leaders, they're are like minded

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Speaker 1: on this. Why do they care about the environmental stuff

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Speaker 1: because it means power and control. It's a way to

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Speaker 1: use science to justify control over your life. And they

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Speaker 1: will profit, of course from it, because they're the ones

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Speaker 1: in charge of all of these green initiatives, invested in

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Speaker 1: the green companies. It's a wealth redistribution scheme to them.

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Speaker 1: In the process it impoverishes all of us. So I

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Speaker 1: was happy to see on this topic the Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 1: and as well AOC Alexander Acazio Quartez came out and

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Speaker 1: panned the USMCA that the Trump administration just was able

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Speaker 1: to push through in the Senate. Here's Bernie, not a

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Speaker 1: single damn mention of climate change in his tweets. Seems

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Speaker 1: like a happy guy and the Sanders suggested on the

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Speaker 1: campaign trail that fossil fuel executives are probably criminally liable

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Speaker 1: for climate change, and he's expressed interests in potentially prosecuting them.

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Speaker 1: That's totalitarianism. That's if you have wrong think, you should

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Speaker 1: be shut up stifled. So urge you to read this

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Speaker 1: article from Rupert Darwall in The Hill, and I've interviewed

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Speaker 1: him separately as well. Look it up on YouTube and

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Speaker 1: I can share it as well. Climate religion is fueling

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Speaker 1: Australia's wildfires. Getting back to that, and what he shows

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Speaker 1: is that the wildfires in Australia that have been husually

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Speaker 1: destructive to their environment are largely the consequence of environmentalist policies.

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Speaker 1: It's not because of climate change, quote unquote, it's because

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Speaker 1: they haven't been able to control the brush that has

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Speaker 1: led to these massive wildfires. They're not allowing people to

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Speaker 1: burn the brush which would prevent them there for being

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Speaker 1: these massive conflagrations. So environmentalism has real consequences. It is irrational,

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Speaker 1: is what Darwa argues in this article. It is a religion,

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Speaker 1: but it's a religion that the true believers truly believe

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Speaker 1: in science is infallible and that the science is settled

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Speaker 1: on this issue, which is not. But it's also a

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Speaker 1: religion that totalitarians use for control over all of us.

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Speaker 1: This Benegart in for Buck sex And on the Buck

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Speaker 1: Sex and Show. Back just after this. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: your podcasts. Welcome back to the Buck Sex and Show.

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Speaker 1: This is Ben weine Garden in for Buck Sexton, and

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Speaker 1: we were just talking about totalitarianism of one kind, which

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Speaker 1: is the use of infallible science in furtherance of an

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01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 1: anti capitalist agenda that ultimately is about power and can

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Speaker 1: troll over you and for the people loarding those policies

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01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:07,679
Speaker 1: over us and imposing them upon us to our great detriment,

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Speaker 1: impoverishing us while they benefit. We'll shift to a different

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Speaker 1: kind of creeping sort of totalitarianism, which is an assault

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Speaker 1: on our individual civil liberties under the guise of national

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01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 1: security while the bad guys actually remand get off scott

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Speaker 1: free and there's no justice. And that concerns the recent

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Speaker 1: Inspector General report on FIZO abuses, which comes of course

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Speaker 1: in the broader sort of mosaic around Spygate and what

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Speaker 1: we've been dealing with laboring under for the last three

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Speaker 1: plus years, and I fear we're going to continue dealing

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Speaker 1: with for many more years to come, unfortunately. So we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk with senior contributor to the federalistic colleague

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Speaker 1: of mine, Margot Cleveland, who spent nearly twenty five years

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Speaker 1: as a permanent lawkwork for a Federal Appellet judge on

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Speaker 1: the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals and as a former

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Speaker 1: full time faculty member and current adjunct instructor for the

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Speaker 1: College of Business at the University of Notre Dame. Margo,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us. Thanks so much, Ben.

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Speaker 1: So let's start by level setting a little bit the

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Speaker 1: IG report on FISA abuse with respect to carter Page.

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Speaker 1: So it's seventeen significant and accuracies and omissions and the

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Speaker 1: bureaus applications for warrants to surveil carter page under FISA,

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Speaker 1: starting I believe back in twenty sixteen. What is the

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01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 1: most underreported element of the IG report that you've discovered

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01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:38,640
Speaker 1: thus far in parsing it in great depth. So I

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01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 1: would say there's actually a tie for two. One is

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01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:51,759
Speaker 1: that the IG completely missed that the DOJ FBI had

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01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:57,640
Speaker 1: told the FISA Court that Steele has this network of

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Speaker 1: sources because he used to work as a spy for

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Speaker 1: the British government. And the reason that is such a

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01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 1: huge revelation is the five The court didn't really do

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01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:14,879
Speaker 1: much here. They did pretty much a rubber stamp except

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Speaker 1: for the first goal round. And on the first goal

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Speaker 1: round they presented what they present a copy to get

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Speaker 1: some feedback, so they presented what they call a read

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Speaker 1: copy to a liaison at the court. The recopy gives

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01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,479
Speaker 1: them a chance to go through and see if there

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01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 1: are any issues. And one of the issues that was

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01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:42,679
Speaker 1: raised was how does your source, Christopher Steele have this

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01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:46,920
Speaker 1: network of sources that he was able to get this

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Speaker 1: information from. And the response that was given is because

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01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 1: he used to work and it's redactive, but everyone knows

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01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 1: what it is. He used to work for m I

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01:34:57,479 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 1: six and the liaison, the lawyer working for the FISI

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01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 1: court told of the government to change and put that

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01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:11,719
Speaker 1: detail in there. I'll swear though in the IG report

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01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 1: is a finding that Steel was not using those sources,

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01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:22,160
Speaker 1: None of those sources that he used for his dossier

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01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 1: had the connection of being from his former work with

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01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:33,799
Speaker 1: the UK British intelligence and significant because the court cared

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01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 1: about that, they asked about it, and all the government

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01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 1: said was, oh, yeah, he has this network of sources

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01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 1: because he used to be an intelligence for our British colleagues.

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Speaker 1: Think about that as a judge, You're looking at and saying, well,

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Speaker 1: this subsource, this is going to be a legit because

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Speaker 1: British intelligence relies on the same people. But the truth

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Speaker 1: is no, they don't. They did not. Steel did not

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Speaker 1: use the same sources. So I would say that is

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Speaker 1: one underreported story that it should be huge. I think

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Speaker 1: that he should have called that out as an eighteenth mistake.

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Speaker 1: I think that was significant and maybe even more so

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Speaker 1: than other ones because the five courts specifically asked for it.

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Speaker 1: And then I would say the second mistake or second

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Speaker 1: underreported comment here was that in the IG report there

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Speaker 1: was this just little passage exchange where it said that

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Speaker 1: or Bruce Orr, who was one of the DOJ deputy

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Speaker 1: assistant Deputy Attorney generals, he was the one who was

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01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 1: kind of feeding stuff from Steel to the FBI. It

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Speaker 1: said that he had called a meeting an interagency meeting,

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Speaker 1: And the only reason we know about this is after

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01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:02,679
Speaker 1: the meeting, one of his colleagues asked, Or, why would

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01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:07,320
Speaker 1: we work with this Russian oligarch? And it was Olga

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01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:09,599
Speaker 1: and I'm not even sure how to pronounce his name.

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Speaker 1: Ar Yes, thank you. So the colleague asked after the meeting,

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01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:21,080
Speaker 1: why would the US work with him? And Or said

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01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:26,600
Speaker 1: that the reason why was because there was corruption in

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Speaker 1: the Trump campaign. The question was all the way to

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Speaker 1: the president and he said yes. So there's a couple

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01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:36,680
Speaker 1: of things here that no one's really picked up on.

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01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 1: Was he Or called this inter agency meeting? So who

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01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:46,599
Speaker 1: was at this meeting? What other agencies were involved? And

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Speaker 1: it seems to tie back to Or's official role, which

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01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:56,719
Speaker 1: was in charge of this interagency group. But Or said, oh,

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Speaker 1: I didn't talk to my bosses about Christopher Steele because

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Speaker 1: it had nothing to do with my real job. So

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Speaker 1: that's one component of it. But two, it looks like

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01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 1: Or was trying to push cutting a deal with the

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Speaker 1: oliguard in order to get Trump, because he told his

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Speaker 1: colleague that afterwards. The other part of the is the

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Speaker 1: timing of this. This came after Or had met with

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Speaker 1: a couple I think there were three other folks that

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01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 1: were looking at the charges against Paul Maniford and it

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01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with them. Yet they were trying

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01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:37,679
Speaker 1: to figure out how to get this pushed. And Andrew

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01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:40,640
Speaker 1: Wiseman was one of the individuals, And one of the

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Speaker 1: things that the IG report said is they were trying

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Speaker 1: to come up with strategies of how to move that

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Speaker 1: case along. So one of the questions I have was

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Speaker 1: this reach out to these other agencies part of the strategy.

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01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:57,879
Speaker 1: So I have two separate pieces over at the Federalists

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01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 1: there a couple maybe a week or so old. There's

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01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 1: been so much on the IG report that has gone unreported,

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01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:08,759
Speaker 1: but those two really should be blockbusters and people should

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01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 1: be focusing on this, and I hope that bar and

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01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:17,400
Speaker 1: Gurham are because those are a huge missing components to it.

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Speaker 1: How culpable is the fiz Accort itself? And I think

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01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:25,200
Speaker 1: you have identified them as being culpable in some of

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01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 1: the abuses with respect to the case of Carter Page, which,

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Speaker 1: of course that invites the question of how many other

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Speaker 1: cases has the fiz Coort effectively botched or not held

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Speaker 1: to the proper standard that such important cases should be

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01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 1: held to how culpable is the court and what would

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Speaker 1: be the proper way for their culpability to be remedied

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Speaker 1: or for there to be justice for the FISI court

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01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:53,960
Speaker 1: individuals personnel involved with this themselves. Right, So on the

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01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:58,600
Speaker 1: latter point is, judges make mistakes. Lawyers who work for

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Speaker 1: judges make mistakes. There really is no culpability other than

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Speaker 1: that it's a black eye on them, and it should be.

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Speaker 1: But it's unfortunate because it doesn't seem as if they're

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Speaker 1: recognizing that they're pointing all the fingers at the DOJ

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01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:18,280
Speaker 1: and the FBI, and their fingers should be pointed there.

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Speaker 1: The PHIZE Court trusted the lawyers, and they should have

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Speaker 1: been able to trust the lawyers. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: someone should have caught that there was no established reliability

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Speaker 1: for these subsources. That Steele was the only one who

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Speaker 1: supposedly had reliability, and that's where it's the DOJ and

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01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:49,920
Speaker 1: FBI's fault for misrepresenting that. But he cannot build up

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01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:53,799
Speaker 1: the subsources and the sub subsources, and yet the phiz

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Speaker 1: A Court allowed what the subsources said happened to be

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01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:02,280
Speaker 1: the basis for probable cause, even though the fires of

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01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:08,080
Speaker 1: warrant or fies that applications were clear that neither neither

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01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:13,400
Speaker 1: Steal nor his primary subsource had the direct knowledge of this,

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01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:16,400
Speaker 1: and that actually ties back to the point I just

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01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:21,559
Speaker 1: made about They likely thought that these subsources were ones

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01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 1: that the British intelligence information and intelligence, and because of that,

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01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:30,680
Speaker 1: assumed that they were reliable and didn't go that next

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01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 1: step and say where in the application doesn't see that,

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01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:36,800
Speaker 1: So there is culpability. I don't think it's nearly as

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01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 1: great as the DOJ's and the FBI because they made

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01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:45,000
Speaker 1: so many mistakes, but they should learn from this and

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01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:49,360
Speaker 1: hopefully look at things more closely. The other part of

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01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 1: it that I found in reading the IG report and

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01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 1: some of the kind of the text messages that were

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01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:58,760
Speaker 1: going back and forth between the parties is it looks

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01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:01,520
Speaker 1: like there was a little bit too They were concerned

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01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:06,480
Speaker 1: about how one of the individuals involved in the process

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01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:10,479
Speaker 1: would kind of lead the talk to the liaison. So

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01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:15,520
Speaker 1: apparently someone from the group that handles the FISA applications

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01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 1: talks to the laison and they were concerned. Peter Struck

1653
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:22,800
Speaker 1: was concerned with how is he going to set it up?

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01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:26,080
Speaker 1: Is he going to make it iffy or is he

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01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:28,280
Speaker 1: going to make it sound like a done deal, which

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01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:31,360
Speaker 1: to me indicates that there's a little bit too much

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01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:36,760
Speaker 1: reliance on the DOJ's presentation and that they should be

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01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:39,960
Speaker 1: looking at it a little bit more objectively. So I

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01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:43,400
Speaker 1: think that again it's much more on the DOJ and FBI,

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01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:48,759
Speaker 1: but the FISA Court definitely has some culpability for it.

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01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:52,160
Speaker 1: Looking at the remedy is that the FBI proposed when

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01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:54,400
Speaker 1: the fifth pointed the finger, as you said, back at

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01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 1: them and said what will you do basically to ensure

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01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:00,360
Speaker 1: that the court isn't missweat again in the future. It

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01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:03,320
Speaker 1: as a wayman, and your eyes can easily gaze over

1666
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:05,880
Speaker 1: looking at the sort of language that's used to explain

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01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 1: what the FBI is going to do down the road

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01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 1: to reform themselves. Is that they were basically toothless reforms.

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01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:17,000
Speaker 1: Is that a fair assessment? You know? Then I'll have

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01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:19,519
Speaker 1: to be frank, I have not looked at what they

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01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 1: suggested doing. I'm still so buried in what they did

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01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 1: in the past. And I also kind of look at

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01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:28,599
Speaker 1: it as you're always going to say the nice stuff.

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01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:31,479
Speaker 1: That's when the rubber meets the road. That I really

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01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:33,680
Speaker 1: am going to care about it, and I think that

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01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:37,759
Speaker 1: there's the more significant change would be that the FISA

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01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:41,799
Speaker 1: court requires that you have and amycus someone who's arguing

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01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:46,519
Speaker 1: on behalf of the person who's going to be tapped.

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01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:49,600
Speaker 1: So I really have no idea if it's going to

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01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:54,080
Speaker 1: be toothless or not. But there's there's so much that

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01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:57,200
Speaker 1: went wrong, and until we know everything that went wrong,

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01:43:57,320 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 1: it's hard to say how do you reform it. One

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01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:02,519
Speaker 1: more point that I think is worth thinking is that

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01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:06,840
Speaker 1: before this FIZO abuse report came out, there was another

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01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:09,800
Speaker 1: IG report that didn't get nearly as much focus by

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01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:12,760
Speaker 1: the media, which was on confidential human sources i e.

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01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:17,360
Speaker 1: Informants i e. Spies. How significant is that report in

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01:44:17,479 --> 01:44:21,800
Speaker 1: context of the FIZO abuse report. It was so key

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01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:23,559
Speaker 1: And I guess now I'm going to have to say

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01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:26,559
Speaker 1: it's a three way tie. What's the most underreported stories.

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01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:30,000
Speaker 1: So the IG report that came out, I want to

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01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:34,880
Speaker 1: say two weeks before the Carter page one made clear

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01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:41,760
Speaker 1: that the FBI was not putting derogatory information in the

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01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:48,600
Speaker 1: confidential human source files because it was harming the prosecutors

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01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:53,280
Speaker 1: the US Attorney's ability to use them. Because they would

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01:44:53,320 --> 01:44:55,720
Speaker 1: have to turn it over in discovery to the defendants,

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01:44:56,479 --> 01:45:00,439
Speaker 1: and then it would make them not seem as credible.

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01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:05,400
Speaker 1: That should be huge. We're not talking about one guy

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01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:09,720
Speaker 1: who accidentally made a mistake or one guy who purposely

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01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:14,599
Speaker 1: deleted or changed an email. The IG report made it

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01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:20,479
Speaker 1: clear that this was a fairly prevalent approach, a very

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Speaker 1: prevalent opinion that the FBI recognize that they don't want

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Speaker 1: certain things put in these files, which means, how in

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Speaker 1: the world can the FBI say that this individual is credible,

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Speaker 1: that there is nothing derogatory when they don't put it

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Speaker 1: in the file. And to me, you read those two

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Speaker 1: things in conjunction, it makes the second report even more damning.

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Speaker 1: But everyone was so focused on what the Page report

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Speaker 1: was going to say and looking forward to that they

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Speaker 1: missed what the IG admitted the FBI was doing. So

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Speaker 1: there's so much that has gone unreported, and part of

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Speaker 1: it's just amusing to me that for two years, every

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Speaker 1: little thing that happened that maybe looked like Russia collusion

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Speaker 1: was blown up and just read into so much and reported.

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Speaker 1: The IG Report's been out from what two three weeks,

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Speaker 1: and it's old news and there's so much buried in it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you've done it, just an exceptional job reporting on it.

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Speaker 1: I urge all of our listeners and viewers to check

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Speaker 1: out Margot's work at The Federalist. We're going to have

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Speaker 1: to leave it right there, but Margot, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for coming around the program today. Thanks so much. Bennett

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Speaker 1: was nice to talk with you. And this has been

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Speaker 1: one in for Buck sex on on the Buck Sex

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Speaker 1: and show back with some closing thoughts just after this.

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Speaker 1: You're in the Freedom mund This is the Buck Sexton

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Speaker 1: Show podcast. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. This

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Speaker 1: is Ben Weingarten in for Buck Sexton. And during the

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Speaker 1: break it was just thinking about what is sort of

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Speaker 1: the unifying theme that ties today together, and that is

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Speaker 1: really one of liberty versus tyranny, the tyranny of an

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Speaker 1: all powerful government that uses science as an excuse to

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Speaker 1: stifle our rights and profit personally from it. Whether it's

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Speaker 1: our adversaries, be they the Chinese Communist Party or the

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Speaker 1: Iranian molocracy and their malign imperialist expansionist efforts, or whether

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Speaker 1: it be our leftists at home not only in the

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Speaker 1: realm of under climate change, turning us into an anti

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Speaker 1: capitalist bastion, but as well seeking to divide us as

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Speaker 1: a means of conquering us through poisonous identity politics. And again,

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Speaker 1: what Martin Luther King Junior argued for was the antipthesis

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Speaker 1: of that. It was about freedom, individual liberty, respecting the

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Speaker 1: dignity of the smallest minority, the individual, consistent with what

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Speaker 1: our founders advocated for in those founding documents. And one

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Speaker 1: of these enemies of what unifying Americanism, which is the

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Speaker 1: strongest bulwark against all of this, is ilhan Omar. And

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Speaker 1: I tease this last week and I'll reveal the title

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Speaker 1: of my book now forthcoming next month is American ingrit

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Speaker 1: ilhan Omar and the Progressive Islamist Takeover of the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 1: And I'll be talking more about the book in the

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Speaker 1: be abreast when the book comes out. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you for taking the time to listen or watch

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Speaker 1: us over the last few days, as I've had the

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Speaker 1: privilege to fill in for Buck. Want to thank Buck

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Speaker 1: for giving me the opportunity to fill his big shoes.

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Speaker 1: This has been ben wingaren in for Buck Sex and

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Speaker 1: on the Buck Sex and Show. Give me a follow

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Speaker 1: at BH Winegarden. Look forward to talking next time. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much