WEBVTT - Ep: 5: Turd Flies and Codfish Gravy 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:06.800 Slaying fish, drinking vodka big for hat. Imagine a toddler's 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:09.440 crayon drawing of a caterpillar with a hook hanging out 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:12.000 of the ass. And generally speaking, when you're fishing alone, 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:14.280 do you shake it hard or medium or just a 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:23.840 little bit? Good morning, degenerate anglers, and welcome back to 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:26.079 Ben the Fishing podcast for people who are sick of 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.280 listening to fishing podcast that lie to you by telling 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:31.840 you they will actually help you catch more fish. I'm 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:35.480 Joe Surmelie. I'm Miles Nulty, and thankfully, I've actually given 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.760 up all hope of anything helping me catch more fish, except, 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:43.319 you know, spending more time fishing. That's what I That's 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.000 what I recommend all this stuff we we write and 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:48.559 read about helping people catch more fish. Isn't that like 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.479 the key to the city answer? Like, whatever your question is, 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:53.400 how do I catch ten pound? Best? Spend more time 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.240 fishing you'll catch eventually, Yeah, how do I catch you 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.640 giant brown trout? Get out there more than once a month? Anyway? 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.440 The fall season is coming, uh, and that's the time 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:05.320 when the beaches and shore is returned back to their 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:10.039 rightful steward striper fisherman and duck hunters. We're getting into September, 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:12.720 which is crazy. I can't believe in September already. But 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.800 that means that the frat boys have had to abandon 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:19.760 the covid orgies on their parents bayliners and get back 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.560 to doing whatever the hell it is that entitled college 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:27.320 kids are doing these days. What is that zooming into class? 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:30.800 That's that's what the kids are doing, which is like, 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.320 if you think about it, zooming into class is the 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:38.960 actual literal definition of phoning it in. They don't even 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.080 You're right, I didn't even think about that. They don't 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:45.360 even have to pretend anymore. Um. And speaking of phoning 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:47.560 it in, it's we're on that topic. I think it's 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:51.720 time for original fishing Report. Yeah, man, and I'm pumped 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:53.920 on this one. This is a special one. It comes 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.680 to us from none other than internationally renowned fly fishing 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:02.480 guide influencer podcast hosting celebrity Hank freaking Patterson. And I 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.360 gotta say, man, I am, I am flabbergasted that you 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.320 arrange this. Good for you all those years of sitting 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:10.639 in your car like a creeper in the parking lot 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:14.080 at orbus headquarters hoping to awkwardly flag him down. Have 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:22.360 finally paid off. Good on you, Miles. Check one check one. 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.800 Mike is hot hot Mike check one to to check 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:29.000 to check to Hey, Terry, how does that sound? One? 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.520 Check one check one Terry? You listening to that? How 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:33.440 does that sound? I don't want to sound like one 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.400 of those freaking little rent bait fishing guys calling in 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:38.480 their fish and report from a pay phone outside of 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.639 backwood gas station, toilet or something. All right, you want 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.560 to make this sound real pro alright, so let's listen up. 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.600 Check chack jacks. That good, check that good, that check 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:52.440 good good, okay, and three to one. Hey, I'm Hank Patterson, 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:56.239 pro staffer, World Around fly fishing expert and guide. Hey, 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.560 I'm here today with a fishing report for anybody planning 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:03.600 a trip in the next week or so too Alphonse 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:07.639 Island in the say Shells. I'm heading to the say Sells. 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:10.360 I'm sure you're all pretty excited about that. But before 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.120 I get into all that, I just wanted to brag 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.120 that I just tell you about the fact that I 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:18.560 was in Russia last week on the cam Chuka cam 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:25.359 Chewy Cambuucha River, the Cambucha River, fishing, giant rainbows, slaying fish, 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:29.880 drinking vodka, big fur hat, amazing trip. Let me tell you, 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.440 if you are ever planning a trip to Russia, give 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.920 me a shout. I'll put together a hosted trip and 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.240 so that way I can go on the trip for free. 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:41.440 I mean, well, it's not not not free for you, 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.240 you understand, It's just what it hosted trip is is. 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.760 I basically make a couple of phone calls and then 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:48.960 I mooch off of you paying full price so that 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.080 I get to go uh to Russia without paying any money. 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.440 It's a win win, trust me. Uh. Anyway, this week, 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.360 I'm gonna be in the Sayshells, and well before I 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:00.480 get to that next week, I'm gonna be an Iceland. 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:04.000 And I know what you're thinking, Oh my god, Iceland, Hank, 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.880 would you please post a collection of hero shots of 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:13.160 yourself with big Fish in Iceland, hashtagged busy day at 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.279 the office and would you Oh and would you please 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:20.159 post pictures of all the helicopters that you ride in 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:27.200 while in Iceland and hashtag those Iceland uber or hashtag 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:31.000 make everyday count. Anyway, if you're headed to the Sayshells. 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:34.680 I should say, remember, take some flies and and and 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:36.680 a rod or whatever. Make sure to get yourself on 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:40.080 a on a pro staff or whatever. Anyway, bring seven 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.719 go pros, four drones, UH six K black magic video 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:45.920 camera on a gimbal, and a smartphone so that you 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.599 can keep up on all of your socials while you're there. 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.520 And hey, if you're planning a trip to Cuba in 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:57.719 the fall, I'll see you there. You know. Not to 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:59.920 sound like a dick, but I didn't even realize Hank 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.760 is still around, man. I kind of thought he faded away, 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:07.680 like with Tankara and fly fishing fly fishing for carp um. 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:09.400 But I must just be out of the Hank loop 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.600 or something. Though he never went anywhere. I think I 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.839 think there's a little more to the story. Actually, I'm 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.280 I'm pretty sure, at least from sources I've got, I'm 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:20.839 pretty sure Hank has to stay in international waters so 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:26.440 you can avoid extradition for for something. Anyway, if if 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.040 any of you out there want to get on one 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:31.320 of Hank's hosted trips and get the honor of paying 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.240 for him to stay out of prison wall fishing for free, 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:37.400 and say Shells, check him out at Hank Patterson dot com. 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:42.240 Just make sure to watch out for spywear before before 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.359 you go and do that. We've reached the part of 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:49.599 the show where we beg, implore, and guilt trip you 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:54.080 into putting down your phones and your computers and reading 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.520 an actual book once in a while. Listen up, you 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:02.279 freaking philistines. I got a book recommendation for you. What's 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.640 a fasting? It's a guy who doesn't care about books 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:11.280 or interesting films and things. Time on the Water by 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:15.159 Bill Gardner chronicles a two d day muskie season that 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.760 alone makes it worthy of a read. I mean, how 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.080 many recreational anglers do you know who put in that 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:24.120 kind of time? Very few, very few casual anglers have 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:28.159 the drive or disciplined to fish virtually every day from 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:33.160 May three to November, and Gardner is most definitely a 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.720 casual angler. Part of the appeal of this story is 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.440 Gardener's willingness to expose his own ignorance. He doesn't pretend 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:43.200 to be an expert. He's a musky fanboy with an 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.919 obsessive personality who had an epiphany while sitting in Gridlock 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.479 l a traffic one day and decided to move his 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.560 family to northern Wisconsin and spend seven months trying to 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:54.880 catch one of the top ten biggest muskies of the 0:06:54.960 --> 0:07:00.040 year in Violas County. Spoiler alert, He doesn't act, so 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.600 that's not much of a spoiler. It's pretty clear from 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.719 page one that this guy isn't going to crack the 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.080 top ten list. But that's not why you read the book. 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:10.840 You read the book because it captures the beautiful futility 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.240 of a fishing obsession. Time on the water also shows 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.400 how much better muskie fishing is now than it was 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:21.720 forty years ago. Although published in all the action took 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:25.160 place in the season of night. We follow Gardner as 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:28.200 he digs it out day after day after day, casting 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:32.360 bucktails and jerk baits, trolling crank bits, soaking suckers, and 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:36.080 hardly catching any fish. At one point, he goes nearly 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:40.000 two months straight without landing a single muskie, and his 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.400 big goal for the entire season is to catch one 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:48.360 fish approaching fifty In these days, fifty inches are almost 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:52.600 expected in certain places, and a real trophy goes fifty pounds. 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.640 We really are living in the golden age of muskie fishing. 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.520 This book is not great literature. It's a folksy account 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:03.160 of a long and mostly unproductive fishing season, more a 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:07.960 fishing diary than an actual narrative. Here's the taste. Trying 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.720 a very shallow bay with thick weeds. Keep getting my 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.200 bucktail fouled with weeds. So I'm going to try a 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.800 big surface bait. For some reason, most muskie fishermen don't 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.400 use surface lures. I love them sometimes, these big surface 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:25.200 lures just driving muskies nuts. Cheeh, here comes one like 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:30.320 a locomotive. Ten ft behind the lure, five ft smash. Hey, 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.680 this is a fish set that hook. Give him line. 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.320 He's a brute. No, not under the boat. Get back 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.200 out here. Hold it right there while I get my 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.600 glove on. Okay, into the boat. Nice fish measures about 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.199 thirty nine inches. Well, I don't feel like quitting, so 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.560 I guess you're going back in by guy, two years 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.560 and you'll be a lunker. I can't believe it. I 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.320 just released the biggest fish I ever caught. Makes me 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.079 feel like a real pro. How did you do today? Oh? 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.400 All right, I caught a thirty nine incher but turned 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.760 him loosed a lot of emphasis on releasing muskies these days, 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.120 but It's one of those things easier said than done. 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.040 I mean, Christ, how many days have I spent on 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.160 the water trying to get a decent muski and now 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:13.240 he's back in the water. So yeah, some turns of 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:17.640 phrase are painfully cheesy, and the term lunker appears far 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.760 too often. But still I have a sauce spot for 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.480 this book, and it turns out I'm not alone. It's 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.360 developed a bit of a cult following. The book was 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:31.760 never reprinted after and while the original paperbacks say on 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:36.079 the cover, they now go for over a hundred bucks online. Luckily, 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.480 Gardner sold the digital rights to Muski Hunter Magazine in 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.160 two thousand three and they re released it, so you 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:48.200 can still get the e book for cheap. You know, 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:51.440 I am not like a crazed musky angler, but I 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.240 do like fishing books, and I have no idea how 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:57.600 I miss that one man. That book sounds like it's 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:00.000 squarely in my lane. It's like it's like the fish 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:07.319 book version of the band The Descendants, you know, speeky, underappreciated, 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:12.040 and mostly mostly forgotten. That's that's spot on, Joe, because 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.640 both The Descendants and that book reached the height of 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.520 whatever their popularity was in the early eighties, so so 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.920 good call, good call on that one. Uh. And they're 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:24.960 both classics. Since we're on the subject of classics, I think, uh, 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.320 I think we should switch over to That's My Bar. 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.600 And remember, yeah, remember all of you out there, We 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.880 we actually really need your help to make this segment work. 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:36.400 We want to shout out all the best, dirty, dingy 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.000 and divy fishing bars out there. So shoot us an email. 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.400 Tell us about your favorite place to drink after a 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:48.120 day of fishing. Best God damn bartender from tim Buck 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:52.280 to to Portland, Maine, the Portland argument for that matter. 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:58.360 At first, I was embarrassed, I must admit. Listener Glenn 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.920 crane Felt offered up St. George's Pub in Brigantine, New 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:04.440 Jersey for That's My Bar, and as a pure bred 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.400 Jersey boy, I read Glenn's pitch and thought, how the 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:11.359 hell do I not know about this bar? I practically 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.760 grew up in Brigantine. Our family boat was docked down 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.679 there for years. But it turns out, at least according 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:21.400 to the interwebs, St. George's wasn't established until the early 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.679 two thousand's, which would have been a few years after 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:27.480 I stopped hanging out down there and the old family 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.280 boat was sold, So that explains that. Nor would I 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:33.160 have been of legal drinking age during those years anyway. 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:37.440 But listen to this, Glenn rights. When you pull off 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:39.679 the beach after a night on the jetty, there is 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:44.840 nothing better than the biscuits and cod fish gravy at St. 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.360 George's to warm you up. That and a little Irish 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:53.600 whiskey in your coffee. The place is open and serving seven. 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.880 It also has amount of the world record hybrid striper 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:02.920 caught in saltwater hanging on the wall. Glenn says the 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.920 bar's owner caught that hybrid off the dock where his 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.920 big sport fishing boat is parked. And uh, a little 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:13.199 research confirmed that to be true. Anyway, Holy sh it, man, 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:18.600 biscuits and codfish gravy open, seven mounted stripers, Glenn, It's 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.199 time for me to get back to my roots. Man. 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.040 I guess I need to start fishing and hanging out 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.840 in Brigantine again, just to eat and drink at St. George's, 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:31.679 because that all sounds magical. Side note, I did spend 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:33.400 a lot of time in the rod and Real Tavern 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.160 and Brigantine in my youth. Okay, my dad loved eating 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.840 at that joint. You remember that one, Glenn, right, That 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:42.280 may have been the most badass, blue collar fishing bar 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.360 the Jersey Shore has ever known, but sadly Hurricane Sandy 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.440 took it from you and me and all the other 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:55.319 bunka chunkas on our coast. Godspeed Rod and real tavern. Remember, 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.359 we need you to make us hip to the coolest, dirtiest, nastiest, 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.600 most fun fishing bars all the planet. So email us 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.680 at bent at the meat eater dot com and make 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.720 us believers in your favorite saloon. Tell us everything that 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:12.319 makes it awesome so it and you, of course, can 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:15.560 possibly get shouted out in the next installment of That's 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:21.320 My Bar. Thank you, Glenn for adding to the rapidly 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:25.240 filling reservoir of great fishing bars. Keep coming, everyone, but 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:29.600 enough with the distractions. Let's get serious. It's time for 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:38.320 fish news. Fish news that escalated quickly. Now we'll get 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.520 to the fish news here um, where we tell you 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:45.600 the real news about fishing related and fish related things. 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.760 And as a reminder, this is a competition. Miles and 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.120 I do not know which stories the other dude is 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.960 bringing to the table. And this little new thing we're doing. 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:58.120 Our our engineer, the Mighty Phil Phil Taylor. He now 0:13:58.160 --> 0:13:59.840 gets to weigh in at the end of this Dog 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.120 and Tony show and decide who who brought the pain 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:07.439 more proper me or Miles. Pay attention Phil, So, um, 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.599 listen up. It's always its always benefit to be the 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:14.559 leadoff man. That is that is me this week. And um, Miles, 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:19.120 it's finally happened. I knew this day would come. Switzerland 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:22.560 based food giant Nestle, which we mostly know for their 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:27.040 chocolate here in the States, has launched Sensational Vuna, a 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:32.840 plant based tuna. Oh no, oh, where's Ben O'Brien. We 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:36.840 need to bring Bennett on this story continue. So, so 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.160 this comes to us from Fox Business. Nest Lee, the 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.480 world's largest food company, announced the launch of its plant 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.880 based tuna, becoming the latest company to dive into the 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:50.960 growing seafood alternatives market. The fish free tuna is made 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:56.160 from six plant based ingredients, including P protein and wheat 0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:01.240 wheat gluten and contains of me know acids. Wait, this 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:04.000 gets much better, uh, The company said. The plant based 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:08.640 tuna will join Nestle's portfolio of plant based alternatives to burgers, meatballs, 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:11.440 chicken nuggets, and other items. Now here's where it gets interesting. 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:15.360 Apparently there's like a like like this fake fish race 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.520 is somewhat um like like the space race kind of 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.080 because it goes on to say Nestlee joins a number 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.960 of startups launching more animal free products in the plant 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:29.560 basic food space. For instance, Good Catch sells Foe Tuna, 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:35.840 a foe tuna version of albacore using lagoons, beans and algae, 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:40.680 in addition to plant based crab cakes, which they sound 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.800 just the whole bay on that you're all sat a 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.640 lot of old heavy, a lot heavy on the old bay. 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:53.240 But and then it says and others have swum swam 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:59.240 into sushi grade alternative tuna territory. The brand, the brand 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:03.400 Ocean Hugger says it has quote the world's first plant 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:09.160 based alternative to raw tuna, while San Francisco based startup 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:14.920 kali Ana rolled out a raw tuna with iron, algae, oil, 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:19.680 and various proteins using a proprietary process said to recreate 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:23.080 the taste and texture of raw fish. Now I looked 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:27.000 up this Ocean Hugger raw tuna alternative, and I gotta 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.720 say based on the photos alone, it looks it looks 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.720 pretty convincing. It's a nice piece of sush there on 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.480 the rice with a little with a little rap though 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.520 it is more the color of salmon than tuna, and 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:42.359 um per the company. All it consists of is tomatoes, 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:47.360 gluten free soy sauce, sugar water, and sesame oil. Now, 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.800 before we comment here, to get back to the original story, 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:53.000 we'll close with this fact toid uh. It says, with 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.600 the rapid growth of alternative meat startups, there's certainly a 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:00.760 market for sustainable seafood, particularly in the COVID nine teen era. 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.200 I mean, now, it's a whole era, not just like 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.520 a few months. This is the era which is awful. 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.919 Retail sales for plant based foods in the US have 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:13.199 increased by eleven percent compared to last year, according to 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:17.040 the latest data from Plant Based Food Association and the 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:22.160 nonprofit Good Food Institute. So the vuna looks like tuna salad, 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.080 but it's the raw tuna deals that are wigging me out. Man. 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.200 I mean, look, I'm not going to dive into the 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:32.680 whole fake meat argument discussion thing like that. We We've 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:34.760 already covered that elsewhere in other media programs and we 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:37.120 don't have time to get into it here. And I'll 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:41.600 just say this, my personal perspective is I'm all four 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:45.040 people eating seafood responsibly and trying not to like get 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.879 into bad situations where we're overharvesting fish stocks. Like be 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:51.760 thoughtful about what you choose to consume. But maybe you 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.520 eat your vegetables as vegetables and eat your fish as fish. 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.000 And I know that's a crazy thought, but that's personally 0:17:57.040 --> 0:18:00.760 how I'm gonna go about doing it and avoid processing 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:03.520 one thing and trying to like transmogrify it into a 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:07.000 whole different species or critter that just doesn't make sense. 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.840 Something Well, I like where you went here because I 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.040 think the same thing, right, Like, dude, if you're a vegetarian, 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:14.719 you're a vegan, do your thing. You have no problem 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.919 with that. That's that's totally fine. But I mean I 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.800 even have some friends or or like the wives of 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.480 friends who are vegetarians, Like, Okay, you have a barbecue, 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:27.160 they bring their own veggie burger. I get it, core fine, whatever, 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:31.359 rock and Roll, it's the raw tuna the sushi that 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:35.400 gets me, because to me, that's like something I might 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.040 order out or back in the land before time when 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:39.520 you could eat in a restaurant, like I would go 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.719 to a nice sushi restaurant for sushi. So it's just 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.560 such like a like a niche food to begin with, 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.200 like a special treat. It's not something you eat as 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.080 readily as a burger or a vegan hot dog or 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.200 whatever it is you need to have. So like, who 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.240 is buying that for when? Like are you buying fake 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.000 raw tuna to make sushi? Play adders at home? Are 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.840 you having that on hands so that when all your 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.879 friends want to order sushi out, like you feel like 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:09.600 part of the team. Because if if the ships tomato 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:13.320 based and you're a vegetarian, why not make something out 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:17.320 of some delicious slices of fresh tomato? Yeah, I would 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:19.480 be off. I would far prefer to have fresh tomato 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:23.560 sushi than fake fish sushi. Personally, that's a good I mean, 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.440 I know they I mean, I know the mayo doesn't jive, 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.720 and I'm certainly not a vegetarian, but I eat fresh 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:34.440 tomato sandwiches like every day in the summer. Fels good tomatoes, bread, tomato, mayo, 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:36.440 salt and pepper. Done. But here's here's what I will 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:38.040 say to get back to the point, I'll say one 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:43.120 other thing. I would probably eat the fake veggie sushi 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.600 over a gas station sushi roll. That's that is the 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:48.600 place where I think I would take the veggie one 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:51.720 over the fish one. I mean, that's that's a place 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:53.520 where I just will not get my sushi is from 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.640 a gas station. Alright, personal pride. I had a few, 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:59.000 I've had a few crunchy tuna rolls from the Circle 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:01.160 K dude, and they were fine. I'm here, I'm here, 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:02.920 I live to talk about it here I am. I'm 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.680 not judging. I'm just saying, like personal opinion, that's that's 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:07.800 where I might That is the one situation where I 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:11.160 might pick the fake option is to check the date. Yeah, 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:13.640 you just gotta check the date. That's all right. So 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:16.119 this is kind of nice. You set me up pretty 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:20.320 well to transition from one questionable seafood product to another. 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.920 And I learned something this week, Joe, have you ever 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:32.360 heard of a loser fish? Now? Now I've never. Now 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:41.639 I'm trying so hard, ah man, I'm just not witty 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:43.879 enough in this moment, and I'm like mad at myself. No, 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.359 I don't know what to lose your fish. I didn't either, 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:52.920 but it's an actual industry term that salmon farms used 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:55.720 to describe up to a quarter of the fish that 0:20:55.800 --> 0:21:01.600 they produce losers. I call all farm ray salmon losers, 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:05.439 Like I don't farm ray. We're gonna get there. Yeah. 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:11.000 So the loserfish are the salmon that, although technically healthy, 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:15.960 acts sluggish, have stunted growth and displayed little interest in food. 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:19.359 And a two thousand and sixteen study from the Royal 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:22.840 Society of Open Science looked at farmed Atlantic salmon brains 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:27.119 and found that these loser fish have constant elevated levels 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:29.919 of cortisol, which is a hormone that vertebrates release when 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.840 they're under stress. Cortisol is a good thing in the 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:36.440 right circumstances, right, Cortisol helps trigger the fight or flight response, 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:39.199 which is important for wild salmon because you know, they 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:41.720 got to outrun orcas and seals and sea lions and 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:46.240 sharks and and although the punish, yeah exactly. The cortisol 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:49.560 response also helps them make the upstream migrations that salmon 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:52.040 are famous for, like you know all those those those 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:55.840 nature videos of salmon majestically leaping up over waterfalls and 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:59.240 getting away from bears. Yeah, it's the cool that helps 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:04.800 them fly. But a constant bombardment of stress hormones, it's 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:06.720 just not good. It's not good for the brain. It 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:08.800 is not over the body. Many of us are experiencing 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:12.840 that right now. The constant level of stress apparently turns 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:17.639 normal farm salmon into depressed losers. They're they're so wigged 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:20.639 out all the time that they don't even respond to 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:24.040 the standard stress test for freaking out of fish, which 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:26.400 I learned is to just pick one up and drop 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:29.640 it into a bucket of water. That's the scientific industry 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:34.800 standard first stressing out of fish. Researchers theorized that these smaller, 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:37.480 weaker fish forced to live in overcrowded pens with bigger, 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:41.080 aggressive fish without the possibility of escape, they just can't. 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:43.880 They just can't handle that light level of negativity. Man, 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:47.520 they give up on life, they stop eating and wait 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:51.480 to die, which they do. In addition to depression, farm 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:55.879 salmon are also prone to deafness, scleiosis, obesity, and licenfestations. 0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:58.280 And all right, listen, even if you don't give a 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:01.840 shit about salmon welfare, and frankly, I can't talk because 0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:05.560 I've personally killed thousands of salmon as part of my job. 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:09.280 But salmon farms are a bad deal. Those massive sea 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:12.600 liight's infestations that they create spread to wild fish populations, 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:15.679 as do the plumes of antibiotics salmon farms have to 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:18.800 use to keep their fish from dying of infections. Salmon 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:22.520 escape from netpens and can wreak havoc on wildfish and 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:25.800 mess up delicate ecosystems like that time in when two 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:29.359 hundred and sixty three thousand Atlantic salmon got free and 0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:34.000 Puget Sound, Washington, you know the Pacific Ocean where Atlantic 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:37.400