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Speaker 1: Been welcome.

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Speaker 2: Inn Lake Kick is live Thursday, March second, The over

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Speaker 2: Lord twenty twenty three. We are live high a top,

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Speaker 2: kind of high a top downtown Indianapolis, Nashville, about four

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Speaker 1: We'll be back there Sunday night. I'm at Combine.

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Speaker 2: We've got a lot to talk about, a lot that

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Speaker 2: I have not.

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Speaker 1: Spoken about publicly.

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Speaker 2: That boy you have asked me about, and that is

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Speaker 2: Jalen Carter, And there's reason why.

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Speaker 1: I haven't said a word.

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Speaker 2: The first is because we have a show we can

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Speaker 2: talk about it on, which we're doing right now. And

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Speaker 2: the second I'll get into that in just a second.

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Speaker 2: We got pressure on head coaches. I got a ton

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Speaker 2: from the mail bag that I still have to get into.

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Speaker 2: We've got coaches position to win in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: I got someone hating on Shane Beemer over here, so

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Speaker 2: I got a step to his defense because I quite

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Speaker 2: frankly think he's too nice to do it himself, and so.

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Speaker 1: We're going to shoulder that burden for him.

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Speaker 2: All that, plus, I just want to ask you a

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Speaker 2: question here. As Big Game Dan takes a seat immediately

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Speaker 2: stage left, I want to ask you What do you

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Speaker 2: think constitutes help for college football? When is the sport healthy?

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Speaker 2: Is it when people you'll never meet are making a

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about all that.

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Speaker 2: They're watching us in Irvine, California, Traverse City, Michigan, Boois Creek,

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Speaker 2: North Carolina. They're tuned in everywhere. We really really appreciate

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Speaker 2: it as always. You know, it's the only time I'll

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Speaker 2: ever be able to do the card toss. So we'll

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Speaker 2: toss the car and we'll.

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Speaker 1: Get into this show. All right.

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Speaker 2: I have to try and strike a serious tone here.

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Speaker 2: The Jalen Carter news broke yesterday. We're sitting here at

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Speaker 2: the Combine. It's Thursday, and so Jalen Carter, a lot

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Speaker 2: of the defensive linemen they come through yesterday and they're

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Speaker 2: as you well know or should know by now, the

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Speaker 2: in Athens post National Championship game that claimed two lives,

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Speaker 1: And Chandler Lacroix.

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Speaker 2: He may have been involved in indirectly or directly.

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Kind of you know, there was a lot still unknown

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Speaker 2: about the reporting. So that surfaces we're asking ourselves, is

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Speaker 1: He didn't.

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Speaker 2: It turns out he came back here today and met

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Speaker 2: And there are two reasons I didn't, kind of three reasons.

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Speaker 2: to know what I think about something. The second of

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Speaker 2: those three reasons is we always take a twenty four

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Speaker 1: And so what that twenty four hour rule.

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Speaker 2: Looks like is this, you see the news break, and

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Speaker 2: It's the same reason that I was telling our guys

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to really traffic in either of those things,

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Speaker 2: But I'm perfectly willing to talk about it now because

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Speaker 2: When Todd mcshaye said there were character concerns around this guy,

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Speaker 2: Mcshae wasn't being fair towards Jalen Carter. So what do

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Speaker 1: Well, I got a question for you. I'm trying not

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Speaker 2: Because I will start on the back end and tell

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Speaker 2: If you want to go as far as to call

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Speaker 2: I just happened to believe there could be true. Two

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Speaker 1: What's he like in the locker room?

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Speaker 2: He said, there are going to be things He's going

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Speaker 1: Or I'm just preparing you for that.

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Speaker 2: If you're not going to go any further than just say, oh,

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Speaker 2: when you comment on him, there better be a certain

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Speaker 1: Now you may look at me and say.

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Speaker 2: Josh, I can't burn my sources, I can't share certain details.

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Speaker 2: right now, regardless of whether he suffers anymore punitively, two

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Speaker 2: I think are good, who have made bad decisions. Good

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Speaker 2: If what he's accused of doing he did, I do

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Speaker 2: that the guys won more games than anyone expected him

440
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 2: to two years in a row. He's only been there

441
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 2: two years, so that's the simple answer. But I'm not

442
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,440
Speaker 2: really in the business to do a forty five second segment.

443
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:33,439
Speaker 2: So outside of that, people questioned his antics whatever in

444
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 2: the world.

445
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:34,160
Speaker 1: That means.

446
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 2: People questioned his demeanor. People don't like the raw, raw mentality.

447
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 1: So here's what I would say.

448
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 2: Shane Beemer's probably I don't know, actually Beemer probably would respond,

449
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,440
Speaker 2: but I'll respond for him, so you can sit this

450
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 2: one out, Shane, how would you like.

451
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 1: Him to act.

452
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,920
Speaker 2: You're the head coach of South Carolina, a program that's

453
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 2: been in the ditch for a little while, a program

454
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 2: that had fallen not just behind, but far behind in

455
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 2: their own state. A program that also resides in the

456
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 2: same division as the two time defending national champion.

457
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 1: You've got to jumpstart your program.

458
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 2: The entire the entire ethos, the entire methodology that I guess,

459
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 2: judging by the comment you're wanting Shane Biemer to have,

460
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 2: is what got the last guy fired. So there is

461
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 2: no motivation to come in and do it the same

462
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 2: way it had been being done. That's how you end

463
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 2: up in the unemployment line. That's how you end up

464
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 2: making thirty five K a year for someone because you

465
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:30,440
Speaker 2: live in the buyout life.

466
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Speaker 1: And while the buyout.

467
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 2: Life is nice, that is not professionally what you aspire

468
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 2: to live. So I look at Shane Biemer and look,

469
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 2: he doesn't rub me.

470
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Speaker 1: The wrong way.

471
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 2: Even if he did rub me the wrong way, I'd say, man,

472
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 2: I can't stand that guy. Good for him, though, I'd

473
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 2: follow it up with a good for him. Now for

474
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 2: those of you who he does rub the wrong way.

475
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 2: If it's a personal thing, it's a personal thing. If

476
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 2: you're a Clemson fan, I do not expect you to

477
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 2: like the guy. But if you're an agnostic fan, if

478
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Speaker 2: you're just a Colorado State fan, and welcome in viewers from.

479
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 1: Fort Collins tonight.

480
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 2: But if you're a Colorado State fan and I'm not

481
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 2: sure the rooting interest of the person who submitted the question,

482
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 2: But if you're just out there somewhere and you don't

483
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 2: like the way Shane Bemer goes about it, what do

484
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 2: you want him to do? Do you want him to

485
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 2: fake it? It's clearly his authentic self. Do you want

486
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 2: him to fake it? Also clearly the way he's doing

487
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,360
Speaker 2: it his work the first two years, there's no guarantee

488
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 2: with the future holes. But I think if we really

489
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 2: got down to it, a lot of what rubbed Shane

490
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Speaker 2: Beemer the wrong way is you probably doubted him when

491
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 2: he got the job, and he's probably proven you wrong

492
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 2: so far, and he may have made you look a

493
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 2: little foolish, and you don't like this. None of us

494
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 2: like looking like fools, but some of us fail to

495
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 2: look in the mirror when we make an incorrect prediction.

496
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 2: Here's how it looks. Shane Beemer's gonna fail. Shane Beemer succeeds.

497
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: I hate that guy. He's a clown. That's how it

498
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 2: looks a lot of times. Here's how it should look.

499
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 2: Shane Beemer's gonna fail. Shane Beemer succeeds.

500
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Speaker 1: Shame on me for.

501
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: Doubting that guy.

502
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 1: I'm the idiot.

503
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: That's how it should look. NFL combine right now. For example,

504
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a lot of maid There's gonna be

505
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: a lot made as is usually the case of guys

506
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 2: running in their underwear across the street at Lucas Oil Stadium.

507
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: And guys are gonna get over hyped in some cases,

508
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 2: and then they're not going to live up to the

509
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: hype that people who work in the media sphere build

510
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 2: for them. And guess what those players are going to

511
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 2: be called. They're gonna be called busts. No one in

512
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 2: our profession is gonna say I'm the idiot who hyped

513
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: him up. We will just blindly accept that the market

514
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 2: rate for where he should go in the draft is

515
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 2: where he should go in the draft, and then when

516
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 2: he doesn't fulfill on those expectations, he's a bust. Something

517
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 2: was wrong with him couldn't be something wrong with me.

518
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 2: Same thing with coaches. When you predict one not to

519
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 2: pan out, sometimes you just default too well.

520
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 1: I don't like him.

521
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,959
Speaker 2: He's either cheating, which every winning coach until the end

522
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 2: of time will do. That'll always be the accitation, or

523
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,479
Speaker 2: he's a clown. Oh ethically, he's cutting corners. It couldn't

524
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 2: just be I was wrong about the guy. Some of

525
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 2: you were wrong about Shane Beemer and you don't want

526
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Speaker 2: to admit it. And I'm just here to tell you

527
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 2: as someone who has been wrong before, and I bet

528
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: if we do this show long enough, I'll be wrong

529
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,719
Speaker 2: about something again. Sometimes you just you gotta bite the bullet.

530
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 2: You gotta admit when you were wrong. Remember I'm the

531
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: guy who said Texas A and M had a disaster

532
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 2: proof roster coming into twenty twenty two. Texas A and

533
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 2: M sat at home in bowl season because of how

534
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: disastrous the team was, regardless about talented the roster was.

535
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: It's okay, guys, to air is human, and so to

536
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 2: have doubted Shane Beemer in some cases is human.

537
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: It's okay.

538
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 2: You don't have to call the guy clown just because

539
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 2: he doesn't carry himself in the stoic fashion that every

540
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: coach in the nineteen thirties carried himself. Doesn't necessarily mean

541
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: he's a clown. Here's the way you know you've got

542
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: the right approach doesn't resonate with your locker room. Shane

543
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 2: Biemer's approach resonates with the locker room. You don't really

544
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: hear a whole lot out of South Carolina. Of h

545
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 2: doesn't strike the right tone with guys. It just falls

546
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: on deaf ears. They may not win every game. They

547
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: won't this year, at least I wouldn't think they would.

548
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: There I go doubt in them. But that make the

549
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 2: guy clown so and furthermore, the question to reiterate was

550
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 2: why do you talk about him so much? Number One,

551
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: we got a lot of South Carolina fans who watched

552
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 2: the show. Number two, our data indicates that there are

553
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 2: people who are not Carolina fans or Clemson fans who

554
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: kind of have an interest in Shane Beemer. So the

555
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 2: way he's acting in some shape, form or fashion has

556
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 2: elicited a reaction or an emotion and enough people to

557
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 2: where I'll talk about it, especially if you ask me

558
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: the question that just gives me a free lead in

559
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 2: to discuss it. Speaking of coaches, you guys wanted to

560
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: talk about coaches a lot today, so we'll talk about it.

561
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: We had another question in the elate kick in box,

562
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: and that was the old standby, the old go to

563
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 2: this time of year, and that is which coaches are

564
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 2: under the most pressure in twenty twenty three. Now, in

565
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 2: our world, we define.

566
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: Pressure two different ways.

567
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 2: What a unique to hold this pen by the way,

568
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: I'm just holding it up so I can freeze frame

569
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 2: it later. You got competitive pressure and you got job

570
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 2: security pressure. Now I've got a name written down on

571
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,239
Speaker 2: this list that has a very large buyout that I

572
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: think is still under job security pressure, and that would

573
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: be Jimbo Fisher. There's another name on here, like Ryan Day,

574
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: who I do not think is under job security pressure,

575
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: but I still think is feeling immense amounts of pressure

576
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: this year. It's just competitive pressure. So let's talk about him.

577
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: So Jimbo, Jimbo Fisher. I am going to probably end

578
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: up making myself sort of a hot button opinion maker

579
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: on over the summer because I'm teetering dangerously close to

580
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: making another irresponsible prediction about Texas A and M this year.

581
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 2: So I've got time. We're only in March right now.

582
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: There's still time for you to talk me off of

583
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: this ledge. But I happen to think that he did

584
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 2: make the right moves, especially in hiring Bobby Petrino. Not

585
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: a miracle worker. They don't need a miracle. I just

586
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: think that for how ignorant it was for me to

587
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 2: say they had a disaster proof roster, they are really talented.

588
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: They're really good.

589
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: And so when you're really good, when you've got the

590
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: right ingredients, I always use the kitchen metaphor. When you

591
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: got the right ingredients and the meal tastes terrible, it

592
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: just means your recipe was bad. It doesn't mean you

593
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: lack the ingredients. It's another thing. You just if you

594
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 2: have vienna sausages and napkins and that's all you got

595
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 2: in the kitchen, there's not really much you can do

596
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: with vienna sausages and napkins, and trust me, I tried.

597
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: There's not much you can do. That's not their problem.

598
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: They don't lack for the ingredients there. So with Jimbo Fisher,

599
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: I'm saying all that to basically entrap him into saying

600
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: they got to get it done.

601
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,719
Speaker 1: This year, and I don't know what it means.

602
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 2: I just I don't even think resurrecting things to eight

603
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: wins works for them. Now, there'll be a lot of

604
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: time to talk about that. We'll have sec media days

605
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 2: talk about it. So we'll round into the form of

606
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: getting a set number. How many games does Jimbo Fisher

607
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: have to win or is it one of those things

608
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: where there are certain benchmarks he has to hit, beating

609
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: Alabama or something like that.

610
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: But the other part of this is I don't have

611
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: a problem with the high expectation out there.

612
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 2: If it'd be one thing, if you had high expectation,

613
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: but then when I turn on your games, that place

614
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: is half full. Or when it's time to raise money,

615
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 2: when it's time to work that collective, it's bone dry.

616
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: That's not the case at Texas A and M and

617
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 2: so as long as that's how you roll on the

618
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: front end, as long as you do what they ask

619
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 2: you to do, I don't have any problem with you

620
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: having skyhigh expectations for your head coach. And listen, win

621
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: in nine games is not the highest ask for a

622
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: guy who's been given everything.

623
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: There's really not a no for Jimbo Fisher.

624
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: I will say this, though. It's easy to sit here

625
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: in March and say, boy, he's got to win.

626
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: He's got to win. He's got a win. It's another

627
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: thing when you have.

628
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: To pay that large a buyout in the eighty million

629
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: plus dollar range. It's another thing to actually pull that trigger.

630
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: So we'll see how that works out.

631
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: Ryan Day.

632
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: Not job security pressure. I think it's very fair to

633
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: call that competitive pressure. I think we're already there. So

634
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: this past year, when we went into the Michigan game,

635
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: I said it then, I said, this is the most

636
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: important game of his career because of how uncomfortable, how

637
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: radically uncomfortable, it was about to get afterwards. If he lost,

638
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: well he lost. I don't think I've ever told this story.

639
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: So Gelby and I are standing right out on the

640
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: field after the game stadium is emptied. There were Ohio

641
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 2: State players who had come back out of the locker

642
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: room after the stadium had emptied, and they were right

643
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: behind our camera. So we're having Dennis Dodd and I

644
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: are having to do postgame live reaction on CBS Sports HQ,

645
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: and just in the background there are Ohio State players

646
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: with their heads just buried in their hands. Been balling

647
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: their eyes out for like twenty minutes. They knew because

648
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: that's how big that game is. But also that coaching

649
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: staff knew because they fully expected that they had rectified

650
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: the situation. Everything that went wrong in the snow in

651
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: ann Arbory year prior, they had rectified the situation. Truthfully,

652
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: I thought they had too, and my belief stemmed from

653
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: how confident I knew they were internally.

654
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: And it happened again.

655
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: And the thing about it is if you're worried about

656
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: your team and then they get drug that's one thing,

657
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: But I don't really think people can fully appreciate how

658
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: much a shock to the senses it is, how much

659
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: a bucket of cold water it is over your program's head.

660
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: When you're just totally convinced that you've put your team

661
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,239
Speaker 2: in the best position to win. You're totally convinced you're

662
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: the better team, You've recruited better athletes, and everything is

663
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: sky high confidence wise, and you just get hit in

664
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: the mouth with a baseball bat. Is it is so demoralizing,

665
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: And then they make the playoff, think they played their

666
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: best football still lost to Georgia. That's almost an afterthought.

667
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: It's the Michigan game that people go back to. It's

668
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: the Michigan game I go to because that's what we

669
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: got to.

670
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: Talk about again this year.

671
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: Everything about Ohio State's twenty twenty three will it'll revolve

672
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: around what.

673
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: They do at the end of the season. That's normally

674
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: the way it is for the Buckeyes.

675
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: But with Ryan Day, you could ask me what happens

676
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: if they lose a third game in a Rodo Michigan. Well,

677
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: my answer is they lost a third game in a

678
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: Rodo Michigan. That's what will have happened. If they win,

679
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: there are other games. He's not getting fired. You can

680
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: talk about that all you want to. They're not firing

681
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: a guy going eleven and one. They're just not or

682
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: if they do, we have entered into a total bizarro world.

683
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: So that is not job security pressure, but it's competitive

684
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: pressure because if you drop a third straight, if once

685
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 2: again you're not winning the Big Ten championship, because you're

686
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: not even playing for a Big Ten championship at that point,

687
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: you may start doubting yourself internally, and I would hope

688
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: you're not already at that point. I'm not just talking

689
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: about Ryan Day, he's the face of the program. I'm

690
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: talking about the entire internal structure of the program. You've

691
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: done it as hard as you can't. Three years in

692
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 2: a row, you will have lost to a team that

693
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: you fully believe you out man, You fully believe you

694
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: got a better staff, You fully believe you put your

695
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: guys in better position, and you haven't gotten done. That's

696
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,239
Speaker 2: called competitive pressure. No one needs to tell you your

697
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: jobs on the line to feel that kind of pressure.

698
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: What about Texas in year three under Start? I was

699
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: talking to someone earlier today about Mike Norvell. You've heard

700
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: me make this comparison a lot, and I'll continue to

701
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 2: do it because we got several months until fall camp opens.

702
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: This time last year, we were going into spring and

703
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: people were talking hot seat with Mike Norvel. Remember that

704
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: Florida State talking about hot seat. No one wants to

705
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: admit it now, but a lot of people trafficked in

706
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: that credit to Florida State. They gave him time, and

707
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: it turns out it was going to take three years

708
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: for Mike Norvel to get things right, and lo and behold,

709
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: third year happened. He got it right, and now Florida

710
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: State's off to the races. They're like a co favorite

711
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: to win the ACC This year, they are a co

712
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: favorite out of that conference to have the highest odds

713
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: to win the national championship.

714
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: Where'd that come from?

715
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: It came from patients, It came from giving a guy time.

716
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: The reason I'm mentioning the Norvelle is because year one

717
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: in year two were not good. Year one in year

718
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: two for Sark have not been all that great. Now

719
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: we enter year three, this is the money maker year.

720
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: Literally figuratively, I think there's legitimate I think you could

721
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: legitimately circle Sark as having job security pressure. We don't

722
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: really do that on this show much, but I'm saying

723
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: you could do that. But with Sark, he cannot complain

724
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: about his quarterback situation. He can't complain about recruiting. And

725
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: I'm saying this complimentary. They have acquired the talent they needed.

726
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: I think one of the biggest misnomers is he inherited

727
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: a loaded cupboard.

728
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: He did not.

729
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: He inherited guys who had some stars next to the

730
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: him in high school. A lot of them were at

731
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: the wrong position. And by that I mean he did

732
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: not have line of scrimmage talent. And so they've gone

733
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: about rectifying that year three. Now, this is when it

734
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: should happen. This is when you should look at Texas

735
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: the same way in what twelve months that we're talking

736
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: about FSU right now, that's pressure. That's the kind of

737
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: pressure that's on Sark this year. And Neil Brown at

738
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: West Virginia's other one I just kind of tacked onto

739
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: the list. There's a lot of surprise in the college

740
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: football industry that Neil Brown still has his job at

741
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: West Virginia. I remind you again, I don't really enjoy

742
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: doing a show about hot seat talk.

743
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: We rarely do it.

744
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: I think we do it like two or three times

745
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: a year, and that's just because they tell me it

746
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: clicks sometimes even we have to be beholden to that.

747
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: But I'm not done yet. Oh thank you? Does it

748
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: right though, Yes it does, thank you, sir.

749
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: Neil Brown still got his job at West Virginia, and

750
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,479
Speaker 2: they got a new athletic director up there, a guy

751
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 2: that I think came in probably a little bit too

752
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: late to make some moves, if we're just being candid

753
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: about things. Probably came in a little bit too late

754
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: to make some moves. Yet he got a reprieve. Doesn't

755
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: matter why you got a reprieve. He got a reprieve.

756
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: They have been rough, they've been pretty bad. And last year,

757
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: if I were to circle a super sleeper team, I

758
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: probably would have circled West Virginia. I didn't, and it's

759
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: a good thing because it was a loss to Hit

760
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 2: early in the year. Competitive but a lost to Pitt

761
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: and it was all downhill after that. So Neil Brown

762
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: he could have led this list. I just wanted to

763
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 2: go a different direction. But Neil Brown's probably a guy

764
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 2: that in that hot seat conversation would be at the

765
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 2: top of it. Here's what's interesting, though, if you love

766
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: the hot seat stuff, this time last year, there were

767
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 2: a lot of them. This time two years ago, the

768
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: list was a mile long. I don't know that the

769
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: list is nearly as obviously long now. Granted, Paul Christ

770
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: would not have been on my hot seat list this

771
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 2: time last year, and the guy lost his job before

772
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 2: the season was even over. So this college football crazy

773
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: things happened. I mean, like, yeah, we expected Nebraska may

774
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 2: make a change, but a lot of things are very

775
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: very unpredictable in this sport.

776
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: That's why we so we have to do a show

777
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: so often.

778
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: On the total flip side of that are coaches that

779
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: could be winners in their first year. Now, this time

780
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: last year, this was the most fun segment to do. Colin,

781
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: here's your endpoint for later coaches that have the best

782
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: opportunity Which coach have the best opportunity to just boom

783
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: just click right away? And I'm looking at several of them.

784
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: But I want to remind you this time last year,

785
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: do you remember how many head coaches we had in

786
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: new spots. Sonny Dykes ended up being the guy out

787
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: of all the first year coaches that took his team

788
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: to the playoff, took his team in the National Championship.

789
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: He wouldn't have even been in.

790
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 2: The top five of the candidates that I thought may

791
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 2: be capable of doing that.

792
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: You had Dan Lanning going to Oregon for example.

793
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: You had so many We had a list like a

794
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: mile long on the show and Lincoln Riley for example,

795
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: going to USC So we were we were thinking during

796
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: the bold Prediction segment, one of these guys is going

797
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: to the playoff, right.

798
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: And we were right. It just wasn't the names that

799
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: we circled.

800
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: So the first year head coaches this year that could

801
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: just immediately turn the program around.

802
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: Now.

803
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 2: I want you to remember, as I give you these

804
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: names right quick, turning the program around having more wins.

805
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: That's exactly what it means. If you won three games

806
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 2: last year and you're gonna up it by a couple

807
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: of wins, you don't even have to make a bowl

808
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: game for you to be constituted as an immediate winner.

809
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: Matt Ruhle is an obvious first choice for me. Here

810
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: you see a rule. If you go back and you

811
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: look at his first years at places like Temple or Baylor,

812
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: they were bad.

813
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean they had to take like five steps backward

814
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: before they could go forward.

815
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: And that's just putting in a culture that's overturning a

816
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: program that's in bad need of turnover. I'm not so

817
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 2: sure that that's going to be necessary with Nebraska. Certainly

818
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 2: you have to have the culture turn but I don't

819
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: think they have to sacrifice twenty twenty three to achieve that,

820
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: only because we're in a different era now and if

821
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: you look at they're loaded in terms of the class

822
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: they just signed in recruiting, meaning there are a lot

823
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: of kids in it, and they had the number of

824
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 2: twenty three ranked recruiting class. But they had the number

825
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 2: seventeen portal class too, and I think they had eleven

826
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: transfers as of today in that portal class. And so

827
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: Jeff Simms is one of those guys, the quarterback that

828
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: was out of Georgia Tech, who I don't know why,

829
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: but I've just become irrationally fascinated with. I think he's

830
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 2: gonna end up being their starter. And he's a guy

831
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: that Matt Rules talked up a lot. So I look

832
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: at them the same way I did last year. There

833
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: are there are a lot of winnable games on that schedule,

834
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: a lot of losible games on that schedule. It turns

835
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: out the latter ended up being validated this time last year.

836
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: But Matt Rule is one Luke Fickle is won. These

837
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: guys are going to be compared A to B B

838
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: to A because they, in similar circumstances, went to the

839
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 2: same conference. But Fickle at Wisconsin insanely good coach and

840
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 2: development was the name of the game. It's no accident

841
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 2: you look this time last year they sent nine guys

842
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: to the NFL Draft, which was third most in all

843
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: of college football. Development and placement, though, those are the

844
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: two words I'm really focused on with Wisconsin this year.

845
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: The development part is self explanatory, but placement. He's bringing

846
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: in Phil Longo as his offensive coordinator, and immediately right

847
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: out of the gate, you don't look at Wisconsin and say, yeah, man,

848
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 2: they've recruited several years to throw the ball all over

849
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 2: the place.

850
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: No they haven't.

851
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: Now they brought in several receivers out of the portal,

852
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 2: but phil Longo's even been on a record heading into

853
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: spring is saying, yeah, I have to be an idiot

854
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: not to run the ball with the amount of running

855
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 2: back talent that they have here in Wisconsin's recruited a

856
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: certain way for like a million years. So right off

857
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: the bat, maybe we don't see what the full phil

858
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: Longo offense will look like.

859
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: But they brought in Tanner Mordecai, the quarterback out of

860
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: the portal, to.

861
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 2: Go along with I think like three or four receivers

862
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: out of the portal, So don't think that it's three

863
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: yards and a cloud of dust even immediately up there.

864
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: And more importantly, they were bad enough where they fired

865
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: Christ mid season, like I said last year, So it

866
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: doesn't take winning eleven games for Luke Fickle to rightly

867
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: be on this list. Now, Hugh Freeze is one that's

868
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: going to be a little more controversial, but I'm gonna

869
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: put him on there because yet again, the team he

870
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: just took over missed a bowl game last year. And

871
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 2: also there's a lot around Auburn that just needs a spark,

872
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: Like Auburn is not a poverty program. Auburn does not

873
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: lack for talent. It's not a top five roster, it's

874
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: not a top ten roster, but it's not like a

875
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: bottom twenty five roster either, And there's a lot of

876
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: unrealized potential, untapped potential there. I'm talking about both sides

877
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: of the ball and specifically offense with Auburn. When a

878
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: guy like Hugh Freeze comes in, I just flat out

879
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: think he's someone who could pull something out of a

880
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: quarterback like Robbie Ashford that the previous staff didn't, couldn't

881
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: whatever you want to say. And I also feel that

882
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 2: way about some of the other pieces they have there.

883
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: And Auburn's a team I'll be especially interested in watching

884
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: in the portal post spring. That's the last chance you

885
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: have to cosmetically overhaul that roster. I think they could

886
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 2: be a player there, and I look I just think

887
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: they're going to be a better than five hundred team.

888
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: Auburn is better than that. Auburn is better than what

889
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: you saw from them last year. Just the overall talent

890
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: roster is better than that. There's a standard, there's a number,

891
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: there's a line, much like A and M. They shouldn't

892
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: fall below and they fell below it last year. I'm

893
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: talking about regardless of who the coach is. And lastly,

894
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: let me let me ask you if you've ever heard

895
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: this guy's name, Deon Sanders, there's always a thought one

896
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 2: way or the other when I mentioned his name on

897
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: the show. Well, Deon's going to be a winner in

898
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: year one, and by that I mean he's gonna win

899
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: more than one game, and that's that's all it takes.

900
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: And that's because they went one and eleven last year.

901
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, you give me the over. If the over

902
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: runners one and a half on Colorado, someone call up

903
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 2: Alan Bell. I'll take that over. If they win three

904
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: games this year, marked improvement. That's on the field stuff, though,

905
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 2: I think more so than any other guy I just mentioned,

906
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: Deon Sanders has already started winning. Because the playbook to

907
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 2: win at Colorado is not the playbook to win it Georgia.

908
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: At Georgia, that branding and that institutionalized knowledge and pageantry

909
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: and tradition that we all know about that program makes

910
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: it so Kirby Smart doesn't really have to sell his

911
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: program to the masses.

912
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: Deon Sanders does. No one knows.

913
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: About Colorado, and if they do, they don't think good

914
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: things about Colorado.

915
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: That's not his fault.

916
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: It's his job to fix and he's already gone about

917
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: doing that.

918
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: Now. He has a unique angle.

919
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: He has by way of what his name is, a

920
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: unique advantage over other folks. And being able to do that,

921
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: that's part of the reason they hired him. Everyone else

922
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 2: had the opportunity to as well. So you can't complain

923
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 2: when he's using the resources at his disposal. But the

924
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: other thing is, you know, they've already sold all the

925
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: thirty thousand tickets to the spring game out there, which

926
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: is more than they've probably had there the past two

927
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: decades combined.

928
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: At the spring game.

929
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: Now you may think to yourself, oh, that doesn't matter, Well, no,

930
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 2: it dutton as to what the record's going to be.

931
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: But when you think about the battle that they're having

932
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: to fight at Colorado, it certainly matters matters a whole lot,

933
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: and so Dion Sanders. Yes, I think he'll win more

934
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 2: games on the field this fall than they did last year.

935
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 2: But even more so than that, man, he's not going

936
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: to lose long term. He's not going to lose.

937
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: For some reason.

938
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 2: I read the comments. There's some folks that pull against him.

939
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 1: Now.

940
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: Granted, if you are pulling against him because you are

941
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: tired of the hype that he gets, I get it.

942
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: I would suggest you pull against people, maybe like me,

943
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: who who are hyping him, because it's really not on him.

944
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: But Deon Sanders is a.

945
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: Very interesting personality. I think if you did a show,

946
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: you would talk about him a lot as well. Dion,

947
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 2: Hugh Freeze, Luke Fickele, Matt Rule. I like all those

948
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 2: guys to be winners in year one. I appreciate you

949
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: guys joining us so much. It wasn't that long ago.

950
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: I forget which city it was in, but it was

951
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: when it was when I was still in Columbus and

952
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: it was the Santa Clara National Championship Game. I'll tell

953
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: you exactly where it was. What a god forsaken city

954
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: to hold a title game in. So anyway, we go

955
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 2: out there, and I take the eye.

956
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: Josh not a fourteen. Didn't have the Ijosh fourteenth.

957
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: At the time, I was working at a local news affiliate.

958
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 2: There was zero dollars and zero cents in the budget.

959
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: Had to pay my own way. I just want you

960
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: to feel sorry for me.

961
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: And we had that phone propped up against a hotel

962
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: room ice bucket to do the live broadcast. And from

963
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: that point we have arrived here where we have a

964
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: crew of seemingly thousands and it's top notch in every direction.

965
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah see that, Look at that. He's kind of snap

966
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: your fingers.

967
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 2: There's Wave Miranda, I'm Miranda, and there's Gelby for good

968
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: measure over there. It's a blessing to be able to

969
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: do this, and it's because of you that we get

970
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 2: to do this.

971
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: It's never lost on me.

972
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 2: In fact, I would encourage you guys, if you want

973
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: a little backstory, go listen to the Tuesday episode of

974
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: the Lake Kick Extra Pod because there was a little

975
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, some stuff I haven't shared with you before.

976
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: There's a lot of college.

977
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: Football on it, but that's a Q and A and

978
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: sometimes people ask off the field related topic.

979
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: So anyway, it's always just a double salute to you

980
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: guys for making this possible.

981
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: We will be back in Nashville same time as always

982
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: live Sunday night. Until then, take care, have a great

983
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 2: start to your weekend

984
00:44:48,840 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: And God bless you.