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Speaker 1: It's all because five friends went to lunch. Today, I've

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Speaker 1: case of Missy Beavers in mid Lothian, Texas. This little

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Speaker 1: town in twenty twenty had just over thirty five thousand people.

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Speaker 1: crime occurred is the Creek Side Church of Christ. This

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Speaker 1: Now Missy Beavers enters the church to set up for

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Speaker 1: Crystal and Renee, Welcome to Zone seven.

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding? Listen? Not only is the case we're

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Speaker 2: Well, Renee and I met in the Facebook groups for

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Speaker 1: It is one of the most bizarre cases ever for me,

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Speaker 3: Is Rene and I live about five minutes from the church.

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Speaker 3: Tell them to Waksahachi, which is just bordering to Midlothian.

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Speaker 3: Me and Missy worked together back in twenty fourteen for

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Speaker 3: Tell me about her, Missy was she was very, very humble.

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Speaker 1: A mom living in a small town, trying to make

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Speaker 2: Now. She had three daughters at the time of the murder.

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Speaker 2: gladiator classes real early in the morning, and then she

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Speaker 1: So when y'all decided, okay, we're going to take this

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Speaker 2: For everybody, Missy showed up to teach her camp gladiator

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Speaker 1: And they're just kind of walking. So if you go

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Speaker 4: Yeah, anything not in any hurry now, and it doesn't

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Speaker 4: have been collected on Sunday and they can't deposit it

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Speaker 1: Of value there historically? Right, none of that seems to

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Speaker 2: Right because they're wandering around.

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Speaker 1: What do y'all think about the church? Why that location?

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Speaker 2: You know, that's where Missy taught her camp gladiator classes

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Speaker 2: and she posted those very publicly. She had her Facebook

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Speaker 2: so and having successful classes. Those were intentionally posted where

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Speaker 2: everybody could see them. So she would say, hey, we're

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's what law enforcement was doing, thinking this person

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Speaker 3: Okay, so the billboard began in October of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. We were amazed at how quickly our listeners pitched

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Speaker 2: Quite a few. There's never any posts about the Missy

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Speaker 2: right now, that'd be great.

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Speaker 3: Twenty three thousand, What twenty.

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Speaker 2: Three thousand, I've got twenty thousand of those joined since

435
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Speaker 2: the Missy Beaverers case.

436
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Speaker 1: I can guarantee it. And that's where I was going.

437
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Speaker 1: And my next question was, do you know how many

438
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Speaker 1: download y'all had or fan y'all had just give me

439
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Speaker 1: a number if you know it.

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Speaker 2: We have about two hundred and sixty thousand downloads at

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Speaker 2: this point.

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Speaker 1: So my point, and I try to make this all

443
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Speaker 1: the time with new investigators rookie csis the media, which

444
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: is what y'all are, can reach more people than the

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Speaker 1: police could ever dream. So when you're talking about twenty

446
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: three thousand people that may see a post, if they

447
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: were to say, hey, y'all, does anybody recognize this car?

448
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: Does anybody recognize whatever they may come up with that

449
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: they want general information, y'all can reach over two hundred

450
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: thousand people. And if y'all say, hey, we want to

451
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: ask this friend and that friend and these other friends,

452
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: y'all could reach half a million people in a day,

453
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 1: whereas the local police couldn't dream of that number. Media,

454
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: whether it's a podcast or somebody for the New York

455
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: Times or dateline, is the best tool for law enforcement

456
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Speaker 1: if they know how to use it so they can

457
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: keep things close to the vest. That's great. But here's

458
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Speaker 1: the bottom line. For me, I would not know about

459
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Speaker 1: this case at all if it weren't for y'all, and

460
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Speaker 1: I ain't the only one, so y'all, to me, are

461
00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: single handedly keeping this case alive, and that to me

462
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: is so critical because somebody out their notes, they have.

463
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Speaker 2: To Why do you think that law enforcement local law enforcement,

464
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Speaker 2: but Lothian Police has chosen to step away from the media.

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Speaker 2: They haven't updated the media in how long? Four years?

466
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Speaker 4: Three years?

467
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Speaker 3: Well?

468
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Speaker 2: Years, yeah, nothing, just not a peep on this case.

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Speaker 1: There could be a lot of reasons. One they may

470
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Speaker 1: have a real idea of who it is and can't

471
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Speaker 1: prove it yet. The other reason could be, if we

472
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Speaker 1: don't have anything new to report, we are gonna get railed.

473
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna be called incompetent, We're gonna be called lazy.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna say we're corrupt, We're hiding somebody because they're

475
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Speaker 1: our confidential informant. They don't want that, because they don't

476
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Speaker 1: want anything to muddy what they are trying to do.

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Speaker 1: They I guarantee you are fully of what y'all are doing.

478
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: They are fully aware of what Crime Stoppers has received.

479
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: Obviously they might have even gotten their own individual notifications

480
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: from the billboard that y'all aren't even aware that y'all

481
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: have generated information. Because here's the thing, law enforcement knows

482
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Speaker 1: what I know, and that's generally people are killed for

483
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Speaker 1: three reasons. That's it, money, sex and revenge. That's it. Well,

484
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Speaker 1: if she wasn't sexually assaulted and nothing was taken, that

485
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: leaves revenge. Well, that means your suspect pool is less

486
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Speaker 1: than five people. This was not a woman that had

487
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Speaker 1: a lot of enemies. She didn't screw people over. So

488
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: now you're looking at the obvious things, and this would

489
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: be any investigation you want to know about affairs, real

490
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Speaker 1: or perceived. Just because somebody flirts with somebody doesn't mean

491
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Speaker 1: they're having an affair. She's obviously in great shape. Somebody

492
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Speaker 1: mad about that. Did she owe somebody or did this

493
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: person think she owed them? And then there's a fourth one.

494
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 1: The fourth reason people are killed is because the killer

495
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: is crazy. Not only is that person difficult to locate

496
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: and identify, they typically have no connection to the victim

497
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: at all. So now you've got somebody that's going to

498
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: order receive and dress up in a Swat uniform drive

499
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: what conceivably is their own vehicle to a church in

500
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: the dark, in the rain. They risk being stopped and

501
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: somebody seeing there in this Swat uniform. They risk having

502
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: a wreck hydroplaning, they risked being seen by Missy before

503
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: the interaction. They risk all that. Are they crazy? I

504
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: mean who brings a hammer and a gun.

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00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 3: And uses both and uses both.

506
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Speaker 1: And both aren't necessary. So now we have a little overkilled,

507
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Speaker 1: We have a little possible even post mortem, who walks

508
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: around for thirty minutes just checking door knobs, knocking a

509
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Speaker 1: few windows out, and just saundering around.

510
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Speaker 2: It wasn't long after Missy walked in, unfortunately that she

511
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: was killed. So they were able to hop into murder

512
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: mode pretty fast. So not only did you come murder ready,

513
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: you committed the murder immediately, and then you just leave.

514
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 3: And barely missed all the people that arrived to be

515
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Speaker 3: in her class.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Cheryl is something we found out later, probably I

517
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: don't know, a couple of years into the case was

518
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 2: that Missy had two women who routinely came in at

519
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: four point thirty. They wanted to get their workout done early,

520
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: and the director of Camp Gladiator was telling me that

521
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: Missy would just kind of spot them and say, hey, yeah,

522
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: just make sure you keep your leg up, you know,

523
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Speaker 2: and stuff. While she was setting up for the regular

524
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Speaker 2: class at five but she would let those two women

525
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Speaker 2: come in at four point thirty. Ironically, that morning, one

526
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Speaker 2: of them saw that it was raining, and she said,

527
00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: forget it and rolled back over.

528
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: I went to bed.

529
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Speaker 2: The other lady that was supposed to be there at

530
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Speaker 2: four thirty got a flat tire, and by the time

531
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Speaker 2: her son came and rescued her and switched the tire,

532
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: she didn't get there till five. So you have to

533
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Speaker 2: wonder the perpetrator must not have known that there was

534
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: normally two women there at four thirty, because that would

535
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: have been cutting it even closer than we already knew

536
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: thought they were, you know, So that's just incredible. I

537
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: don't know how that would have changed things. I don't

538
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: know if the purp would have killed all three of them,

539
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: or if those two somebody out of the group would

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00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: have seen the purp and maybe they could have gotten

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Speaker 2: to safety. I don't know how it would have changed things,

542
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: but I have to believe maybe the purp wasn't quite

543
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: sophisticated enough to know that detail.

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Speaker 1: Well, I tell you, you've got a small town, You've

545
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Speaker 1: got people that are you know, tied to their patterns,

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Speaker 1: and they typically again take their kids to the same place,

547
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: pick them up the same way, socialize the same way,

548
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: go to the same grocery store, go to the same workout,

549
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: go to the same church. Anytime somebody breaks a pattern,

550
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: it should be highlighted. Anytime somebody didn't show up for

551
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: work that morning, or showed up and was acting different,

552
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: all of these things should have been recorded by somebody.

553
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Speaker 1: And I firmly believe that there are people in that

554
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Speaker 1: town that have a gut feeling, have a suspicion, notice something,

555
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: and are waiting for law enforcement to come talk to them. Now,

556
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to urge people, if you saw something, even

557
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: if you don't think it's relevant or you don't know

558
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: how it fits, tell them. Even if you think they're gonna, oh,

559
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: they're just gonna ignore me and think I'm a crazy woman.

560
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: If I tell them that I think I saw that

561
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: car at one o'clock in the morning or at noon

562
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: that afternoon, tell them that may be the thing that

563
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: just breaks this thing wide open. We are talking to

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Speaker 1: two people that did not know each other, that got together,

565
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: that formed a friendship, that formed an alliance, went to

566
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: work on this case, has generated tips and information, has

567
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: put up billboards, has advocated for this woman and her children,

568
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: and they have done so beautifully. Civilians solve crime all

569
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: the time. I tell y'all Zodiac DC Sniper, civilians were

570
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: involved in those cases getting to where they are today.

571
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: Renee and Crystal. I'm a huge fan. I appreciate y'all

572
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: spending some time with me, and I'm going to let

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00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: y'all have any last word that y'all want to say

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00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: about Missy or the case, or what people can do

575
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: and how people can find you.

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Speaker 2: We're just so thankful to be on your show, Cheryl.

577
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: We're huge Zone seven fans ourselves, and we're just thrilled

578
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: that you invited a sign and we're hoping that your listeners,

579
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: hopefully it's a new group of people that we haven't

580
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: been able to reach before. If you'll just follow Missy's

581
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: case True Crime Brid's of course, we're on all the

582
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: social media we're on. We try to put out any

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00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: updates that we hear. We're on Instagram true Crime Brods.

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00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: Our Facebook page is called true Crime Brods. We have

585
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: a discussion group if you want to come into it, called.

586
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 3: Missy Beaver's True Crime Discussion.

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Speaker 2: I always forget the name. Thank you and then we

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00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: also would urge anyone who's local who might have any

589
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: information please call Mid Lothian Police or call crime Stoppers.

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00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: The Middle Lothian numbers nine seven two seven seven fives

591
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 3: three three three three. There is an independent reward of

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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars if you call crime

593
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 3: stoppers and remain anonymous. The reward is up to one thousand,

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Speaker 3: could possibly be more depending on the information. That number

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Speaker 3: is nine seven two nine three seven seven two nine

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Speaker 3: seven pays.

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Speaker 2: Something else interesting that came out of all this is

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Speaker 2: now Renee is on the board of the Ellas County

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00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: Crime Stoppers. It's actually technically called Crime Stoppers of Ellas County.

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00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: And yeah, so she's working closely with them, which is fantastic,

601
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: And we're just appreciate if people would follow Missy's case

602
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: and spread the word. It's possible that her perpetrator is

603
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: no longer in the area. Do you hear anybody talking

604
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: crazy about something they did in Texas, please report it

605
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: because this case is unsolved and it's been a long

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Speaker 2: seven years.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I got to tell when we were

608
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: crime Con together, y'all were leaving crime Con and going

609
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: to the crime scene, and I remember you turned around.

610
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: You were like, hey, come get the car with us.

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Speaker 2: That would have been awesome.

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00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: I was ready to ditch my family, ditch my sisters,

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00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: Tell Walt, I will catch up with y'all. Somehow I

614
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: wanted to go so bad because there is nothing that

615
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: takes the place of seeing it and walking it. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a highway out there, but is it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's not like eighty five cutting through Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: No, it's definitely not Dallas.

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Speaker 3: Actually, you've been there on that highway. It is not

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Speaker 3: even a tiny portion.

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Speaker 1: Of that right, And that's why it's important to walk it,

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00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 1: to see it, to see where the church is, how

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00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: close is the next business or building or home. It

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00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: would be imperative for me. How that person came in,

625
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: and the direction of travel when they left. I want

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Speaker 1: to know all of it. I want to drive that route.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Cheryl, when you finally do you see this church,

628
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna be like we were. We were shocked at

629
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Speaker 2: how small it is. Those cameras up in the corner

630
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: make that place look huge, but it was small.

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Speaker 4: We walked the.

632
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Speaker 2: Whole church in just a few minutes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were shocked. We were like, oh my goodness,

634
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Speaker 3: this is nothing like what we expected.

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Speaker 1: We got to make that happen, and again I appreciate y'all.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to end Zone seven the way that I

637
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: always do with a quote. There is no branch of

638
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: detective science which is so important and so neglected as

639
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: the art of tracing footsteps Arthur Dole. In the case

640
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: of Missy Beavers, they need to trace every step she

641
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: took and where her life intersected with that killer may

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Speaker 1: lay some answers. I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is Zone Heaven.

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Speaker 1: M