1 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: And were welcome you into the dog Bowl in Baria. 2 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: It is episode two of the best podcast available. I'm 3 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: Jason Gibbs to the left of meet Andrew Gribble, and 4 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: we are one week closer to the two thousand and 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: twenty NFL Draft from Las Vegas, the Vata Gribbs. A 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: busy day here in Barria, the announcement of Andrew Berry 7 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: as the general manager of your Cleveland Browns, and the 8 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: staffs are starting to come together, the personnel are starting 9 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: to come together, finally have the makings here of what 10 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: this Browns team will look like from a hierarchy standpoint. Yeah, 11 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: and today it was more of a formal announcement namedre 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: Barry has been on the job for about nine or 13 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: ten days now, so he's he's kind of gotten hit 14 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: the ground running. I think Jimmy has m said, he's 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: already made his mark, uh in the first ten days, 16 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: so kind of getting Really his job right now is 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: getting everything in line, getting everything ready, getting everyone on 18 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: the same page, going into the combine, going into free agency. 19 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: But it was just a significant moment, especially when when 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: Jimmy has them closes his opening remarks, the youngest general 21 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: manager in NFL history. On top of that, you throw 22 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: in I think he's the just the second active, uh 23 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: minority general manager in the NFL right now. Uh So, 24 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: just a lot of significance behind today's announcement. That's why 25 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: you bring the entire family here. I was joking with 26 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: people earlier his two kids were way more quiet than 27 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: my two would have ever been during that press conference. 28 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: I was impressed. Angels, Yeah they are, but thirty minutes 29 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: is a big asque and they and they were troopers 30 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: throughout that press conference. But it was just it was 31 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: a good moment to see and and I think it was. 32 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it was a different Andrewburry because I 33 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: think he's been this impressive guy from the moment. Uh. 34 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: You know, he started here in thousands sixteen, but he's 35 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: in a different position now, and it's a position of 36 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: immense responsibility and power, and I think he's kind of 37 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: embraced that. And I think that that that showed through 38 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: in a few of his answers today. It was a 39 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: quiet confidence. Yeah, a much more confident general manager, uh 40 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: than you know, pro player personnel guy you know under 41 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: Sashi Brown a few years ago. I think, uh, and 42 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: that goes back to the day that he met the 43 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: staff inside this building, you know, when when we found 44 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: out that he was going to be the GM, he 45 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: met with the staff, and from the moment he started talking, 46 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: it was one of those things that I was like, 47 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: this is a different guy. Yeah, he's he's he's a 48 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: much different person than he was of few years ago. Yeah, 49 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: And I think that that's why it's obviously significant that 50 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: he's the youngest general manager in NFL history at thirty 51 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: two years old, but clearly doesn't carry himself that way. 52 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: I mean that this guy is is kind of a 53 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: wise beyond his years. Obviously, you go to Harvard, that 54 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: makes you wise behind your years to begin with. UH. 55 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: And just the way he's been able to learn and 56 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: grow in the NFL, with all the experience he's accumulated 57 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: already in a short amount of time. UH, he's ready 58 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: for this job. And I think that he's in a 59 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: situation that he feels very with the coach he really likes, 60 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: UH and Kevin Stefanski and Paul de Podesta, who he 61 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: worked with before, so he knew what he was getting into. UH. 62 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: And really, when now, when you talk about in the 63 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: short term what he needs to get on on page with. 64 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of players on this roster 65 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: maybe that he isn't as familiar with, but most of 66 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: them he is because he was here just a year ago. 67 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: People forget that he was in the room when the 68 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: Brown's drafted Baker Mayfield, Nick Chubb, Denzel Ward. I mean 69 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: that he was around for that, and he was around 70 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: for the evaluations. He was also doing evaluations for this 71 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: upcoming draft class with the Philadelphia Eagles. So he is 72 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: in a in a pretty good position where you're not 73 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: just getting him uh coming in cold. I mean, he 74 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: he knows, he knows this roster, but again it's gonna 75 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: his evaluations are gonna have to mesh with the coaching 76 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: staff how they want to operate this football team. So 77 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: a lot that needs to get done here and kind 78 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: of his first six weeks on the job. Yeah, we 79 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: will hear from the new head coach of the Cleveland Browns, 80 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski, coming up a little bit later in the podcast. 81 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: We've also got some new mock drafts, some overachievers on 82 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: the mox this week. A seven We are a seven 83 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: round mock from Matt Miller, A three round mock from 84 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: Cher Reuter from NFL dot Com, and of course Todd 85 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: McShay with his mock draft two point oh coming up. 86 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: Also again, Kevin Stefanski will join us to give us 87 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: his thoughts on Andrew Barry. Those two have a good 88 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: relationship that goes back a lot further than maybe people realize. Yeah, 89 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: they met through Leslie Fraser at the Senior Bowl ten 90 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: years ago, but more importantly, it's all about how they 91 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: connected at the first time Stefanski interviewed to be the 92 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: bronze head coach back in two thousand nineteen. And uh, 93 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: it's interesting to hear from Stefanski's perspective what those interviews 94 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: were like, both when he was on one side of 95 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: the table then the other side of the table with 96 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: with Andrew Berry. And I think the uh we heard 97 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: from uh Kevin Stansky earlier to day as press conference, 98 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: and I think that he really wanted to drive this 99 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: point home. And you know, he was asked a lot 100 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: of questions about George Payton back at the Cleveland Sports 101 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: Awards a few weeks ago, and I think a lot 102 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: of people made some conclusions that, you know, he worked 103 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: with this guy, he's going to be his PA for 104 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: the job. But I think that he made it pretty 105 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: clear today. I mean, this is this went beyond friendships, 106 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: which has a great friendship with George Peyton. I mean, 107 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: it's it's about a working relationship. And the more we 108 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: hear about this, the more it became clear through the 109 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: process that that Andrew Berry emerged as as kind of 110 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: the top choice for everyone to kind of be on 111 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: the same page and be on board with where this 112 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: franchise wants to head. Some takeaways from Andrew Berry's press 113 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: conference earlier. Uh, the philosophy on players that he wants smart, tough, 114 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: accountable on and off the field, and he repeated that 115 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: a couple of times throughout the throughout the day, and 116 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: is meeting with the press at the press conference, is 117 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: meeting with the media, is one on one on Cleveland 118 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: Brown's daily Uh. They clearly have traits that these guys 119 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: are gonna be looking for in the coming months, not 120 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: just from the current players on the roster, but from 121 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: future Browns as well. Yeah, and I think that that's 122 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: probably clear throughout the NFL. It's just that different gams 123 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: approach it a little bit different, and something you know, 124 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: you might take risks somewhere here. Some might not, but 125 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: it'll just be interesting to see how that is kind 126 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: of implemented with this roster. And you just want to 127 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: see the players buy into that as well. And I 128 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: think you can have this philosophy and now it's about 129 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: going out and getting guys that match that. And I 130 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: think that it was an interesting question that it was 131 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: asked to Fancy earlier to day, is like, what do 132 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: you does this match the roster you have? And he 133 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: really couldn't he could answer it, but he believes so. 134 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: But it's more about once you get these guys in 135 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: the building in April six that's when you're gonna have 136 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: a better idea. So, uh, I don't expect a major 137 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: roster turnover. I don't think any of us do. I 138 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: think that the key points that that Andrew Berry made 139 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: was there's a young foundation here with core players and 140 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: more most importantly, there's a quarterback in place in Baker Mayfield. 141 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: So you're already in a way different position than when 142 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: he started here in two thousand and sixteen. So now 143 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: it's just kind of building off that foundation and fitting 144 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: the pieces together that give you. And one of my 145 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: takeaways was he talked about one of the things he 146 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: learned in Philadelphia was putting together the right fifty three 147 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: and not just assembling the most possible talent at that 148 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: goes into fitting the right pieces in where they need 149 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: to be different personality types, different position types. I think 150 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: that that was a key I would say just philosophy 151 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,559 Speaker 1: indicator that I think was was pretty clear from Andrew 152 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: Berry during today's press conference. Yeah, he also said from 153 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: his time in Philadelphia, pedal to the floor on finding 154 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: any competitive advantage and also getting to know players more 155 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: on a personal level. And we'll we'll talk to the 156 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: head coach of the Brown's, Kevin Stefanski, coming up in 157 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: a little bit as to his philosophy when it comes 158 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: to that. But what else did you take away? I mean, 159 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: he Barry talked for almost thirty five minutes today and 160 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: he got asked just about everything under the sun and 161 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: answered it, well, well, yeah, a couple of news the 162 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: items I guess at first off, it doesn't sound like 163 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: the Browns are gonna be replacing three of the front 164 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: office executives that left the day after Barry was hired 165 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: in Alonso hi Smith, Elliott Wolf and Steve Maylan. So 166 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: that that to me goes he might had he been 167 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: never here before, Andrew Berry probably would have maybe had 168 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: to replace those guys right away. But I think it's 169 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: his knowledge of the other guys in this building and 170 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: the confidence he has and some other of of these 171 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: front office player personnel guys that makes him feel confident 172 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: that they can get the job done before the draft, 173 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: before filling those positions are potentially elevating some people into 174 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: those positions after the draft. So I thought that was newsworthy. Secondly, 175 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: Uh asked about a lot of the free agents that 176 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: the Browns have looming. I agree that it's probably too 177 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: early to make any decisions on these guys, but I 178 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: think the key the key thing that was mentioned by 179 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: him Uh was that just because he was around to 180 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: draft some of these guys doesn't mean that they're going 181 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: to get preferential treatment. I think a lot of people 182 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: have drawn some conclusions about a Joe Schobert, who was 183 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: around for Andrew Berry's first draft, easily the most successful 184 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: member of that two thousand and sixteen draft class. But 185 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: it's gonna go about how does Joe Schobert fit in 186 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: this Browns defense? How does he fit with what you 187 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: want to spend at that position. That's gonna play more 188 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: into it than the fact that Andrew Berry was just 189 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: here to draft that player. Other key takeaway that I 190 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: had down, if there's anything I want to be defined by, 191 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: its aggression being aggressed of whether it's in free agency, 192 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: whether it's in the draft, figuring out where you want 193 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: to be aggressive and going after it. I thought that 194 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: was I'd like to hear that we're not gonna sit 195 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: back and look at the roster and go, oh, we 196 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: just gotta fill a couple of needs. We're gonna be 197 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 1: aggressive in building this team well. And I would think 198 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: that that's like a signature trademark of the last three 199 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: g ms he's worked for. I mean, you go with 200 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: how your Roseman in Philadelphia is known to be very 201 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: aggressive in a lot of different avenues. Obviously was very 202 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: aggressive in trading up to the number two pick in 203 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: the two thousand and sixteen draft with the Browns. With 204 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,599 Speaker 1: Sashy Brown on the other side, being aggressive and accumulating 205 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: assets in a lot of different traditional and non traditional ways. 206 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: I would say Sashy Brown fit the the aggressive mindset. 207 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: And then clearly John Dorsey with the way he was 208 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: able to trade, uh, make a number of trades to 209 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: get players, get talent on this roster. Certainly aggressive. So 210 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: I think that maybe is something he's learned in a 211 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: big way from the g ms he's worked under along 212 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: with maybe a Ryan Griggson in Indianapolis, he's worked along 213 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: with Bill Polian as well. I mean, I think that that' 214 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: that's something that a lot of good gms do, but 215 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: it's aggression in the right places, and I think that 216 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: that's where Andrew Berry can kind of have that measured 217 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: approach as well. All Right, So Andrew Berry addressed the 218 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: media after that, owner Jimmy Hazelm addressed the media, and 219 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: coming Stefanski addressed the media. Any big takeaways We touched 220 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: on a few from Stefanski, but anything from from our owner, Yeah, 221 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: I think the one A couple of things. I think one, 222 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: it was pretty clear his vote of confidence for Baker Mayfield. 223 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: I don't think that was you needed to hear it 224 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: because it's only year three in Baker Mayfield, bas coming 225 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: off a tough year, but to hear kind of a 226 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: universal everyone is backing this guy and believe that two 227 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: thousand nineteen was not reflective of what they project the 228 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: rest of his career to be. I think that that 229 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: is a strong indication of where this organization stands with 230 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: the quarterback, which is the most important position, most important 231 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: player on your team moving forward, with how you build 232 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: around your roster. I think that was significant too. I 233 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: think it was I enjoyed kind of the the clear 234 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: disappointment that Jimmy hasn't showed and the stuff with Kareem 235 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: Hunt from a couple of weeks ago Odell Beckham. I 236 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: think those are two very different situations, but to uh, 237 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: kind of off the field situations that you didn't want 238 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: your first year head coach dealing with right away, but 239 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: clearly it's part of the job. But it's it's it's 240 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: it's good to see that that was kind of laid 241 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: out clear. But basically it's like the team wants cream Hunt, 242 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: they want Odell Beckham on this on this team moving forward, 243 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: but it's it's got to be following the guidelines that 244 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: you're provided and representing this team while on and off 245 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: the field, all right. So that's big takeaways from today. 246 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: A lot of people talking from this organization, especially the 247 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: front office, the coaching staff, and ownership. You got a 248 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: chance to hear from all three types. We had a 249 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: chance to sit down after everything had settled, the dust 250 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: had settled, with new head coach Kevin Stefanski talking about 251 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: his relationship with Andrew Barry, talking about his approach to 252 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: the draft and how the coaching staff will deal with 253 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: the front office people. And it's uh, pretty open conversation 254 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: about expectations going in to April six, when all all 255 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: this starts for real. Have a listen, and we're happy 256 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: to be joined right now on the best podcast available 257 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: by the new head coach of the Cleveland Browns, Kevin 258 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: Stefanski and coach appreciate a few minutes of your time 259 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: on on a busy day that Andrew Berry gets announced 260 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: as the general manager of the Cleveland Browns, and talk 261 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: a little bit about your relationship with Andrew dating back 262 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: to to last year. A man that holds you in 263 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: pretty high regards, as he said earlier today, Yeah, which 264 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: I questioned him on that. I don't think my wife 265 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: is as high on man as he thinks. She may 266 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: be maybe my mother in law, but uh, you know, 267 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: I even go back further with Andrew then last year 268 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: I remember Leslie Fraser introduced Andrew and I to each 269 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: other just outside the Battle House Hotel in Mobile, Alabama 270 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: during the Senior Bowl, and that's probably about ten years ago, 271 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: and Leslie pulled us together and said, you gotta get 272 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: to know this guy. Now. He didn't say he was 273 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: gonna be the GM and I was gonna be the 274 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: head coach of the Browns, you know, shortly thereafter we 275 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: weren't thinking that, but just an impressive guy to be around. 276 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: And so from that moment was somebody that I kind 277 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: of always kept tabs on. And then going through the 278 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 1: process last year, we really got to know Andrew and 279 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: then we just stayed in touch. We just had we 280 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: had a lot of conversations over the season and kind 281 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: of what was going on in his life, going on 282 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: in my life, and really I would say became close 283 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: to Andrew. So as this process was playing out, you know, 284 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: I think we had really good candidates, which is a 285 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: testament to this team, to this organization, and I think 286 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm just thrilled to now start to get to work 287 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: with Andrew. We got a lot of work to do, 288 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: like anybody, and when it's February and draft season, but 289 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: so we're looking forward to getting started on that work. 290 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: What was it like to be on the other side 291 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: of the table in the interview process when you were 292 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: you were the one that was interviewing with him, just 293 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: just y earlier, And what stood out about about his 294 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: interview The tables were turned and I'll tell you Andrew 295 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: asked hard questions in an interview. So it wasn't fun 296 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: to be interviewed by by Andrew, So I made sure 297 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: to fire some at him. Uh. You know, I just 298 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: think anytime you're going through that hiring process and you're 299 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: trying to get to know someone is you want to 300 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: start with the person, get to know the person. Now. 301 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: Unique aspect of Andrew with with this place was he 302 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: had been here before. So while the rest of the 303 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: building didn't have to get that part of it, it 304 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: is important to to to me and to d and 305 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: Jimmy obviously to this whole group. We've got to get 306 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: the right people. And when you're talking about Andrew Barry, 307 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: this is a guy that checks a lot of those boxes. 308 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: And just from the person he is, from the father 309 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: he is, husband, all those things were so important. And 310 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: then just what is this first week on the job 311 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: been like? And what is at this stage of the offseason. 312 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: How how much is the is the GM and coaching 313 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: staff working together to kind of get opinions on guys 314 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: on the roster and maybe in free agency quite a bit. 315 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: There's and when I said there's a lot of work 316 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: to do, Like when I got hired, I wanted to 317 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: watch the entire season, and there's no. It's not the 318 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: matrix where you can plug it into the back of 319 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: your head and get get all that information. So it 320 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: just takes time. So as we hire a coaching staff, 321 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: it's that staff now evaluating our player because we need 322 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: to know the Browns. We need to know the guys 323 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: we have now, which can then inform your decisions as 324 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: you move forward. So I think the good news is 325 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: we got some really good players here, and now it's 326 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: finding out well, which players match our scheme, where where 327 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: does that fall into to place the type of people 328 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: that we're bringing in. But all that collaboration, I know, 329 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: it's something we talked about, but very simply it's just 330 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: our scouts and our coaches getting together and and our 331 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: coaches explaining the skill set the traits that are necessary 332 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: for each position. Are scouts listening to that, and that 333 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: informs them as they go back and try to unearth 334 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: some of these players. What was it like or what 335 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: did you take from your time in Minnesota in terms 336 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: of your interaction with front office with scouting. What you 337 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: took from Coach Zimmer's interaction with the front office and scouting. Well, 338 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: they have a great group out there, and and you 339 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: hit it on the head Coach Zim Rick Spielman, those 340 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: guys they got to you have to work together, and 341 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: there's so much that you do together. And I think 342 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: I've seen it done at a really high level. And 343 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: when you have people that respect each other and understand 344 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: each other and share a vision of what you want 345 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: the football team to look like, I think a lot 346 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: can get done. And I think that's what I learned, 347 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: is just seeing people collaborate, seeing people work together, and 348 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: and it's the famous and I've part brought up this 349 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: quote before, but Harry Truman, you know, it's amazing what 350 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: you can accomplish when no one cares who gets the credit. 351 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: That is the truth. And that's where we are as 352 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: an organization where there's a lot that we want to 353 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: do together, but at the end of the day, we're 354 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: gonna do what's best for the Cleveland Browns. I know 355 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: Coach Childrens took you under his wing and made the 356 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: assistant tag coach in twousand and six, But was there 357 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: ever party that thought about entering this avenue of football 358 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: with the scouting side, or how did that go? In 359 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: the early place? There was you know, my dad really 360 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: by trade as a scout in the NBA, So there's 361 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: definitely an element where I thought maybe that might be 362 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: my path. I knew that I wanted to be in football. 363 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to be close to this game that I love. 364 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: I didn't know at the age of twenty three back then, 365 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: first time in NFL, first time in football, I did 366 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: not know that's that coaching was gonna be my thing. 367 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: I was a student of the game as a player. 368 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: I love the xs and ohs. But then when I 369 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: got around it and Coach Children's was outstanding and allowing 370 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: me to grow as a as a young young coach. 371 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: So I'd go sit in the offensive staff meeting with 372 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: Darryl Bevil and Eric b Enemy and Kevin Rodgers and 373 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: some great football minds. Then I'd sneak over to the 374 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: defensive meeting room and there's Mike Tomlin as our defense coordinator. 375 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: There's Joe Woods is their defensive backs coach. Some great 376 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: people and they're talking football. So I was just so 377 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: fortunate to bounce around and kind of very early on 378 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: understood this is what I want to do now, combines 379 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: coming up here in a few weeks, what's a coaching 380 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: stat's role in that process, and what have you thought 381 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: of the combine over the years that you've been able 382 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: to go through it. It's it's well run. I'll tell 383 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: you that he's very organized. But the thing that's going 384 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: to be crazy this year is them changing the schedule. 385 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: So I can promise you there's a ton of coaches 386 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: like me that are just scared to look at the schedule. 387 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't even want to know 388 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: what's going on. It's it's I want to get there 389 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: and then you tell me where to go, because there's 390 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: gonna be there's gonna be some new learning going on 391 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: with some coaches that are set in our ways in 392 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: terms of schedule. But I think it's a great opportunity, 393 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: number one, to talk to the players. You get to 394 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: go face to face. So there's right now all you 395 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: have is the tape, and the tape is important that 396 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: the tape is the resume, but now to put a 397 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: face with that tape, and albeit you don't have a 398 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: ton of time, there's a lot you can find out 399 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: about a guy and how much he can learn, how 400 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: he retains information, the type of person he is, get 401 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: all the off the field questions answered. So it's that 402 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: time around the player, and there's interview settings that are 403 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: most important. Then of course you have the forty and 404 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: the three cone and the broad jump and all that 405 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: stuff is important, and that all goes into a bucket 406 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: of our evaluation. But just sitting down with with a guy, 407 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: I think you can gain a lot of information that way. Well, 408 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: that goes back to what Andrew said in his press 409 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: conference this morning about getting to know players on a 410 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: personal level, and this organization clearly making an emphasis to 411 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: get to know these guys, not just the guy is 412 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: on the present roster, but future Browns as well on 413 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: a personal level. It's true. And I've been lucky and 414 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: fortunate to have some guys in town that have come 415 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: in while they're here to say hi. And I was 416 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: just sitting with Denzel Ward for a little bit today 417 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: and he needs to get to know me. I gotta 418 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: get to know him. It just doesn't happen. You can't 419 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: just you know, snap your fingers and there it is. 420 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: So I want him to know what I'm all about. 421 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: I certainly laid out what we are, look what our 422 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: vision is going forward for a player like Denzel. But 423 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: at the same time, I want him to get a 424 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 1: feel for who I am, and I'm trying to do 425 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: the same for him, because at the end of the day, 426 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: this is a relationship business in any industry, you know, 427 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: and and certainly in ours. And then you mentioned April 428 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: six earlier day. I know that's the big the big 429 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: date on your calendar. How much preparation goes into just 430 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: getting ready for that moment as a new head go, Yeah, 431 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: quite a bit. And luckily I have some really good 432 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: coaches around me to help me, because that at April six, 433 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: you kind of start there and you start working backwards. 434 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: How many weeks do we have? And there's a certainly 435 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: on the offensive and defensive side, there's work that needs 436 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: to get done schematically so that we can hand them 437 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: and install, hand them a playbook when they get back here. 438 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: But then also while thinking about all that, just this 439 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: is our program, so in April six, when those players 440 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: walk into the building for the first time, they're going 441 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: to get a sense for our program. And that goes 442 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: from how we meet, how we work in the weight room, 443 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: how we treat people, all those things. So it's gonna 444 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: be important on that day that we start to set 445 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: those parameters, set the structure for for what we want 446 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: our Cleveland Browns to look like. What do you like 447 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: most about the staff you've assembled? But we know we've 448 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: officially announced Alex Van Pelta's the offensive coordinator today, what 449 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: do you like most about the staff you've assembled at 450 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: this point? Well, I mentioned it earlier and it's the 451 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: absolute truth. It's a puzzle, and you really as you're 452 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: putting that thing together, there there's pieces that you're trying 453 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: to get and fit this thing to. Just you want 454 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: to make sure you have the right people in the 455 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: right spots. And I think I think we've done a 456 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: nice job as a group five those people, and we're 457 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: not done. There's a few more hires here to make. 458 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: But I feel so strongly that you have to do 459 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: this thing with the right people, people of integrity, and 460 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: that's coaches and players certainly, But as we think of 461 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: this coaching staff. I just think it's a bunch of 462 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: young men, old men, young women. Uh, diversity of thought. 463 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: I just think there's a great group of of different 464 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,719 Speaker 1: ways of thinking. But at the end of the day, 465 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: there's a foundation of trust and respect and we I 466 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: think we have that will build on that and that 467 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: should allow us to do a bunch of fun things 468 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: as we move forward. Any piece of advice you gave 469 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: Kellie when she started as your chief of staff, you 470 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: know what, I don't even think I need to she 471 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: she's uh, she hit the ground running. She's thank god 472 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: I got her here because she's on this and and 473 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: it's all those little things from my chair, from the 474 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: head coaches chairman. She's on top of the schedule, how 475 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: we're gonna run our meetings. It's just invaluable to me. 476 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: So certainly I'm I hope to show her the way 477 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: a little bit, but I'd say she's more showing me 478 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: the way. How different was it back then without the 479 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: lot I imagine Che's using a lot of technology with 480 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: with doing setting up all these things. What were you 481 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: doing back then? That were too long ago? But man, 482 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: I might have even had a BlackBerry. Yeah, I just 483 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: think it's the job itself. Is uh, you are involved 484 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: in so much so. Is there are there power points 485 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: that we made, Yes, there are, and and is there 486 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: a lot of technical Is there a playbook to be 487 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: drawn on the different programs? Yes, so certainly the younger 488 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: people as they come into this business have a great 489 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: feel for for that element. At the end of the day, though, 490 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: I think the fun part for Cali will be and 491 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: was for me to just be a sponge and taking 492 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: in all the information to sit with Bill Callahan and 493 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: just hear him talk about some of the principles of 494 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: offensive line play. I think it's so valuable for a 495 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: young coach like Kelly. Did you even know that position 496 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: existed when you got offered that job back back then? 497 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: I did because that job. Andy Reid did a nice 498 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: job developing coaches that way. So Sean McDermott's art in 499 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: Philadelphia in that role. James Urban started in Philadelphia in 500 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: that role. He's now the quarterback coach of the Baltimore Ravens. 501 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: He was the wide receiver coach the Cincinnati Bengals, and 502 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: he was the director of football operations at the University 503 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania. When I was playing so James was the 504 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: one who got me an internship with the Philadelphia Eagles, 505 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: where he had then moved. He was ultimately their quarterback coach. 506 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: So so there's a lot of people that have had 507 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: this role and have made their way through coaching, and 508 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: I just have a I love the element of the 509 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: grind of a of that position or quality control. I've 510 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: been around so many great quality control coaches that have 511 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: climbed in. You know, look at Chad O'Shea is our 512 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: wide receiver coach. Drew Petson was was a quality control coach, 513 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: our tight end coach. That guy Doug Peterson in Philadelphia. 514 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: Guess what, Doug, former player was a high school coach, 515 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: decided to take a job in the NFL as a 516 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: quality control coach. And there's no glory in that that 517 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: you're putting books together, you're making copies, But I think 518 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: it's such a great breeding ground for young coaches to 519 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: understand what goes into the thing. Coach. We appreciate at 520 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: the time, we know you're more than busy. Right now, 521 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: it's it's officially draft and quote the off season, which 522 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,719 Speaker 1: is anything but off I'm sure you guys got some 523 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: draft nuggets that you can bring my way and you 524 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,239 Speaker 1: have some guys, and there's some free advice coming out 525 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: of you. Guys. We will try, but I think your 526 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: GM might have things I appreciate. Appreciate the time, continued success, 527 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: you got it, thanks, guys. Thanks to new head coach 528 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: of the Cleveland Browns, Kevin Stefanski for a few minutes. 529 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: He's busy. They started their draft meetings today. He still 530 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: has a coaching staff to to finish putting together. Alex 531 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: Van Pelt, the o C, announced formally today he's got 532 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: to figure out who's gonna call plays. Although I don't 533 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: know if he needs to figure that out right at 534 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: this moment, but at some point, sooner probably rather than later, 535 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: he's got to do that. But a lot going on, 536 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: and we appreciate coaches time. Your takeaways from what coach 537 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: had to say, Yeah, I think it's just more clear 538 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: that he's on the same page with with Andrew Burry 539 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: moving moving forward and kind of just that that the 540 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: cohesive thoughts that they have about building this roster and 541 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: building it the right way. I thought it was interesting 542 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 1: his answer about potentially going down the scouting trajector. I've 543 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: always wondered that because clearly super smart guy, father and 544 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: kind of that that kind of role in the n 545 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: b A. But it just sounds like he fell in 546 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: love with coaching and obviously he made the right decision 547 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: because he's a head coach at the age of thirty seven. Yeah, 548 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: and I think he you know, he's he's put together 549 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: a nice little staff here right now. Um, is there 550 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: a guy, and I know on Cleveland Browns dot com 551 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: you are putting out one on one that you did 552 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: with a lot of these coaches. Is there a guy 553 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: that has stuck out to you? Is there a guy 554 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: that has stood out in terms of things you've learned, uh, 555 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: maybe didn't know, whatever the case might be. Is there 556 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 1: something that's impressed you from these guys? Yeah, I would say, 557 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: with the most recent being chat O'shay, I think that 558 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,239 Speaker 1: was just he's an impressive guy and that he is like, 559 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: has no nonsense as it gets. I mean, if if 560 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: you had to tell me pick the interview, did who's 561 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: the guy that spent ten years with the Patriots? I mean, 562 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 1: that's the clear, clear one. And I thought what's interesting 563 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: about him though, is that you know, he's a former 564 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: college quarterback. But then grinded his way into the NFL, 565 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: and then when he brought up I asked him as 566 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: two mentors and they were obviously Belichick is gonna be 567 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: one of them, and then the other one is Dick 568 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: for Meal. And then I was like, you know, those 569 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: are two of the most opposite personalities in terms of coaches. 570 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: But you know, he he brought it back together that 571 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: they both embodied that they both have the same work ethic. 572 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: And that was the one thing that Stefanski told me 573 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: about Chadowha is that this guy is like a gym 574 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: rat in terms of coaching, watching film. So that's that's 575 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: the mindset that was necessary, and I think he really 576 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: I don't think he was taking speaking about the Browns 577 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: as a whole, but it was more of the kind 578 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: of the Patriot way mindset that the wide receivers can't 579 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: care about their stats. They're part of this team like 580 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: they they there. It is the team concept and he 581 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: he can both embrace that in that New England Patriots 582 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: went through a ton of wide receivers during his time 583 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: and a lot of different guys were successful, and I 584 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: think he has a really good track record at the position. 585 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: Now has a year under his belt, uh call and 586 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 1: plays with the Miami Dolphins. They had a pretty strong 587 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: finish to the year offensively with with Ryan Pittzpatrick and really, 588 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, a lot of roster constraints. I think 589 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: he might have done as good as he could have 590 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: with with zero running game and Ryan Fitzpatrick at quarterback. 591 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: But uh, he's an interesting and I think he was impressive. 592 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: Higher for the staff. You could talk for days about 593 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: Bill Callahan. I think that was a huge higher for 594 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: for for this organization. And it's just gonna be now 595 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting to see what does the defensive 596 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: side of the ball come together, because obviously we know 597 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: Stefanski's background is mainly on offense. I mean that's that's 598 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: why this staff was able to come together a little quicker. 599 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: But uh, the defense side of the ball is gonna 600 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: be huge because this is I think you're gonna build 601 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: around the personnel you have, but it's it's going to 602 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: be a different look this year. Alex van Pelt to 603 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: you know, we we had robbed himofsky on for um 604 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: ESPN in Green Bay, and he said it was one 605 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: of the things that ultimately lead to Aaron Rodgers and 606 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's breakup and that's when Van Pelt was removed 607 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,479 Speaker 1: as the quarterback coach. And uh, he and Rogers had 608 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: a very tight relationship and a good bond. And you know, 609 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: if if Van Pel can have that kind of relationship 610 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: with Baker Mayfield, one would think that we would be 611 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: in pretty good ship. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see 612 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: what the Brown is doing a couple of different ways, 613 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: because not only is there a decision to make with 614 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: play calling, uh, there's a decision to make on whether 615 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: or not you add also a quarterbacks coach on top 616 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: of Van Pell. I mean you don't really have to 617 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: because I think he has a background in quarterback, so 618 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: do as your head coach, uh in coaching quarterbacks. But 619 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: it really is interesting to look at his resume. He 620 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: also has one year of play calling experience. It was 621 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: almost a meteoric rise to get to that. His first 622 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: coordinat job. He was a quality control guy in two 623 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: thousand and six and offensive coordina in two thousand nine. 624 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: I mean that was maybe a lot at a really 625 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: stage in his career, but he's kind of grinded his 626 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: way back up to the to to get this job. 627 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: I mean he spent a good five or six years 628 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: in Green Bay, and then I think that's some you 629 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: hear from people in Cincinnati. They were not happy to 630 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: see him go. People to cover the team, people to 631 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: follow the team, because I think that there are a 632 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: lot of things he did to help Andy Dalton, but 633 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: it came during times where their offensive line just was 634 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: blown to smith A Reams. And then last year was 635 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: not exactly built to win. So I mean, but there's 636 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: no doubting his ability as a quarterbacks coach. Not it'll 637 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: just be a cee. How does that change as an 638 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: offense quarter in whether or not in year one he 639 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: will be calling places for this offense. All right, let's 640 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: get to it. Our final piece of this week's best 641 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: podcast available. Uh, it's the Overachiever version in our mock 642 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: drafts Matt Miller from the Bleacher Report, a seven round mock. 643 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: We haven't even had the Combine yet, Gribble. We've had 644 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: we've had the East West, the Shrine Game, we've had 645 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. We've had all this stuff, but we 646 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: haven't even had the big things. We haven't had Pro Days, 647 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: we haven't had anything. This guy's got a seven round 648 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: mock out yeah, I'm gonna go back and at the 649 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: end of the draft and kind of not not just 650 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: it's impossible to fact check based on uh guys getting 651 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: matching with right teams still almost impossible. But I'm just 652 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: curious how many of these in his January seven round 653 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: mock actually get drafted. I mean, obviously the majority probably will. 654 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: But that's what separates the elite seven round mocks from 655 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: the actual mock, because I think there's just so many guys, 656 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: even at this stage of the draft process that even 657 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: the hardcore draft analysts don't realize on the radars of 658 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: NFL teams. Kind of the the seth to Valves of 659 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: the world, you know, are not on the radar of 660 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,479 Speaker 1: some of these of these draft guys. So I I 661 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: when I look at these, especially when I look at 662 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: who's mocked to the Browns over seven rounds, I'm like, 663 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: too many big schools in this list. I think you're 664 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: you're almost like you're you're inclined to be picking a 665 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: lot of big school guys when really, these these teams 666 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: have have film on guys at these D two schools, 667 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: at these Ivy League schools that are just not on 668 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: the radar of the analysts. Well, so let's take a 669 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: look at here. I'm not gonna We're not gonna go 670 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: through names. I think it's more just the positions that 671 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: that he has us addressing in this uh in the 672 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: first couple of rounds. Tristan Worth, the offensive tackle from Iowa. 673 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: We've already talked extensively about him. He's been mocked to 674 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: us by a few other people, notable draft gurus. I 675 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: will say with with Miller what he his analysis of 676 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: of Wharfs, which is interesting to me because he's someone 677 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: that could make a lot of sense for the Browns, 678 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: because the Browns have multiple needs on the offensive line, 679 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: and it looks like Worfs projects best he can be 680 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: a tackle in the NFL. I think there's no disagreement 681 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: on that right now. But he He's Matt Miller is 682 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: not the first to suggest that his best possible position 683 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: could be as a guard and at an all pro level. 684 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: This team has one really good guard, some some people 685 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: in the pipeline to be a right guard in the future. 686 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: But that's where you project this guy to be an 687 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,239 Speaker 1: all pro I mean, that's that's where he becomes an 688 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: interesting kind of peace. If you're if you're trying to 689 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: split hairs with all these offensive tackles. He's someone that 690 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: you might have to think of. I just worry that 691 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: you're you're leaving it too broad and you're gonna play 692 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: a guy too much at one spot and then try 693 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: him in another spot, and then try him in another spot, 694 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: and we're never gonna find a spot for him. Past 695 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: regimes have done that, And that's my big concern on that, Like, 696 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: if he's gonna be a guard, and you're gonna draft 697 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: him to be a guard, then play him a guard, 698 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: don't try him to tackle. Play m a guard Easier 699 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: said than done. What the heck do I know? But 700 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: that's that's my big hesitancy on that. But if he 701 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: projects at a guard and he's as good as Joel Matone, 702 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: you know, we'll take it all day long. Yeah. So, 703 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: uh so, he's got worse an offensive tackle in the 704 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: second round, Ashton Davis, the safety from cal Uh. In 705 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: the third round, he's got an edge Curtis Weaver from 706 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: Boise State. He also has is taking a tight end 707 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: out of Missouri that I'm not even going to attempt 708 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: to try to pronounce. In terms of the last name. 709 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna call him Albert Oh as uh Doug Deacon 710 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: would do on the preseason radio broadcast unless you have 711 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: an idea. Okay, good. Uh. The rest of the draft 712 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: is inside linebacker, edge linebacker, so a lot of defense. 713 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: Surprised only one offensive lineman. Yeah, but you know, it's 714 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: it's tough because I think that we these guys are 715 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: mocking for thirty two teams. We obviously know the needs 716 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: of this team more than than, uh than some of 717 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: the analysts do. I will say this is that a 718 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: lot of this is going to be dictated by what 719 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: you do the month earlier in free agency, if you 720 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: feel like you have to draft a multiple offensive linemen 721 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: or not. But obviously, you know, if we're getting into 722 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: our three biggest needs, which this exercise kind of leads into, 723 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: I think offensive tackle tackle specifically is your number one 724 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: need going into this draft. I think that's a unanimous 725 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: feeling around with draft analysts, insiders, everyone under the sun, 726 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 1: especially if you don't resign Greg Robinson, especially if Chris 727 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: Hubberd is not back next season. It's it's a huge 728 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: need and this is the perfect year to need it 729 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of good players at that position, 730 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: So that would be my number one, uh need for 731 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: for this team. I think. Secondly, I think safety is 732 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: another one, especially if Mrs Damarius Randall's not back. You 733 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: don't know what you're gonna get out of Morgan Burnett 734 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: at the early part of the season because the Achilles 735 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: injury is no joke. Uh. And then some other key players, 736 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,439 Speaker 1: even like a Justin Burrth those guys are free agents. 737 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got you've got a lot of holes 738 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: to fill. Really, your only guaranteed guy back is Shutter Growdwine, 739 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: your fourth drop picked from last year. So a lot 740 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: of area, a lot of a lot of opportunity to 741 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: fill that. I will say there's a lot more avenues 742 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: in free agency to fill those needs than there are 743 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: on the offensive line. So so maybe you can address 744 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: some of those needs and free agency more so than 745 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: the draft. And third, I look at linebacker, and that's 746 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: regardless of if Joe Schobert is back or not. I 747 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: think that you we don't know what kind of defense 748 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: this will be just yet. I don't think we can 749 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: close the door completely on switching to a three or 750 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: four though I don't I don't expect that to be 751 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: in the cards. If you're building around the personnel you 752 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,720 Speaker 1: have on hand, but you just need more from that position. 753 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: I know you addressed it with multiple picks last year 754 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: with Mack Wilson and Siana Taki Taki, but you can't 755 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: just rely on those guys blossoming and filling it. You 756 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: have to hammer away at that position with more bodies. 757 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: And I think that that is an area where I 758 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: could see you adding multiple players in the draft. All right. 759 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: So that's what Matt Miller did. Seven rounds. Chad Ruder 760 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: from NFL dot Com with a three round mock out, 761 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: and he does this every year and he's pretty consistent 762 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: throughout the whole process. Every time you put something out, 763 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: it is a three round mock draft. So his four 764 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: picks for the Browns Javon kind Law defensive tackle, South 765 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: Carolina at number ten, a lone exception in all of 766 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: the mocks, did not have an offense tackle in the 767 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 1: Browns round one. It's very interesting. Is tackle more of 768 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: a need than an edge rusher? It might not be 769 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: a need, but if you're in that position at number ten, 770 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: kin Law might just be the best player available. So 771 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: to play off this podcast name, you might be in 772 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: a position where you have to take the best player available, 773 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: and he could very well be Matt Perked, offensive tackle 774 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: from Connecticut in the second round. Uh Alohi Gilman, safety 775 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: from Notre Dame might have butchered that. And Akeem Davis Gaither, 776 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: the linebacker from Appalachian State. Again, three out of the 777 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: four first picks on the defensive side of the football. 778 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: Where you did? You mentioned it? You could address some 779 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: of those in free agency? You can. Yeah, It's just 780 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 1: it'll just that and I think that's going to ultimately 781 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: dictate it. And I think that the one position that 782 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 1: is not being mentioned here in one that I didn't 783 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,399 Speaker 1: really mention as a top three need, and that's based 784 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: off what I heard from Andrew Barrier or today and 785 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 1: on CBD about David Najoku is tight end. This is 786 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: not a great tight end class, but I could see 787 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: you adding a few players at that position as well. 788 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: But to go back on kin Law, I pulled this 789 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: quote from Tom mcshaye about Javon Kimla, who was the 790 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: best player probably overall at the Senior Bowl, probably the 791 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: top ranked prospect. He was quoted as saying, if God 792 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 1: was going to make a defensive lineman. It's this guy. 793 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: It took forty eight hours for him to just show 794 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,959 Speaker 1: every NFL GM, every NFL head coach that I'm the guy. 795 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: Someone was smart enough, probably his agent, to say, you 796 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: did a good enough job, but you can leave the 797 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. He was done in forty eight hours and 798 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 1: probably made twelve to fifteen million dollars. So he had 799 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: a good week. Uh. And he's got a great story. 800 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: He's got a great story. Grew up in extreme poverty 801 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: in d C. Moved to South Carolina, had to go 802 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: to junior college, had to lose a ton of weight, 803 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: and now he's one of the top defensive lineman in 804 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: the draft. So clearly, even though this team has some 805 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: good defensive and on it, not someone you can just 806 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: say that you have to pick a need over this guy. 807 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: So someone of interest, and if you are going to 808 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: go defensive lineman, Matt Pert from Yukon as someone that 809 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: is an interesting prospect, to say the least in the 810 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: second round because he moved from left tackle to right 811 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: tackle during his college career at Yukon, so he's he 812 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: would probably project more as a right tackle in the NFL. 813 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: Been compared to britishaw Ferguson from a physical standpoint from Jamaica, 814 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: didn't play tackle until the senior year of high school, 815 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: and at Yukon he was the only player that stayed 816 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,280 Speaker 1: for five years basically in his entire class, like everyone 817 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: had graduated in since Yukon stinks, everyone graduates and tries 818 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: to transfer to another school to be a graduate transfer. 819 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,439 Speaker 1: Kind of like a Joan and Jackson at Ohio State 820 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: who played at Rutgers and then went to Ohio State. 821 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: He stayed, so he is like known as the guy 822 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: who stayed and he's great leader. Uh, those kind of guys. 823 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: So he's He's an intriguing prospect, but would certainly be 824 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 1: the fit into the and a raw drafting on upside 825 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: kind of tackle might not be a plug in play 826 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: right away kind of guy. All right, interesting to know 827 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: and something the monitor, especially as we get closer to 828 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: the NFL combine with just four weeks away from now. Uh. 829 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: Todd McShay draft guru from ESPN dot com his mock 830 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: draft two point oh is out at number ten Josh Jones, 831 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: the offensive tackle from Houston. It's a name that we 832 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: hadn't really talked about a whole lot last week or 833 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 1: this week. It's offensive line, but it's a different player 834 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: than what we've talked about in the past. Yeah, this 835 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: would be another guy that made a lot of money 836 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,320 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl apparently. I mean he's a smaller 837 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 1: school kind of guy. I mean, Houston is not the 838 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: biggest not the smallest school, but not the biggest school. Uh, 839 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: probably the best offensive tackle that went to Mobile for 840 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. So I would call this the post 841 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl mock bump that some players get. Uh. Well, yeah, 842 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: so we'll see if once you go to the combine 843 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: some some people then remember, oh yeah, all these juniors 844 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: are really good too. So I mean I'm not I'm 845 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: not uh, you know, poo pooing on on mcshay's pick here, 846 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: But it's it's a unique one. He's the only guy 847 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 1: that's kind of gone out on a limb to have 848 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 1: Josh Jones go this high in a draft. But I 849 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: would say that his analysis of Jones is another reflection 850 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: on how deep and good this tackle classes. I mean, 851 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: we're just a couple of years removed from the Browns 852 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: being at the thirty third pick in the draft and 853 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 1: really not having a tackle good enough to pick you know, 854 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 1: that was a situation. But Browns needed a replacement for 855 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: Joe Thomas, needed a true left tackle. There weren't any 856 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 1: defined and I think the only tackle that win in 857 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: that draft before thirty three was McGlinchey. And I don't 858 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,439 Speaker 1: even think he plays does he play on the left side. 859 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 1: I think he's the right tackle. Was there talking about 860 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 1: him even playing guard? Yeah, there was some speculation about that. 861 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: Both came in because him and Quentin Nelson came out 862 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: the same time. So that it's come a long way 863 00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: to thinking that there's no tackles that are ready for 864 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,800 Speaker 1: the NFL all with the way that the league plays. 865 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: It's it's how much adjustments have to be made, And 866 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: clearly there's gonna be some adjustments that have to be 867 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,799 Speaker 1: made for a lot of these guys. But this is 868 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: this is there's a lot of tackles and there there 869 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: could be maybe potentially five or even six go in 870 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: the first round this year. Yeah, something to watch here 871 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,479 Speaker 1: as we get closer to the NFL Draft and free 872 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: agency will tell us I think a lot more as 873 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: to where this team is gonna go. And it goes 874 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: back to Andrew Barry saying he's going to be aggressive 875 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 1: with whatever they decided to do, They're gonna be aggressive 876 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,240 Speaker 1: doing it. So something to watch. There's aggressive, but there's 877 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: very rare aggressive gms out there willing to trade their 878 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,800 Speaker 1: really good left tackles. So that's that's that's the challenge 879 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: that Andrew Berry faces is that or let them go 880 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: in free right. There's just they're they're they're just not around. 881 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: I think maybe it helped the Browns. I don't know 882 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: if it did, but the news this week on Andrew 883 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: Witworth going back to the Rams. So that's that's probably 884 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: one less team that needs a left tackle at least 885 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 1: for this coming season, but still a lot of other 886 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 1: teams out there looking up grade because again, we took 887 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 1: it for granted for eleven seasons here having that position 888 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: all locked up while the rest of the roster was 889 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: a mess. But the Browns had a left tackle for 890 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: all those years, while a lot of teams did not. 891 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 1: And this is what life is like in the NFL, 892 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: were I think fifteen teams are satisfied with their left tackle. 893 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: The other, uh seventeen are out there looking for anyone. 894 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna wrap up episode two for the 895 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: best podcast available. Make sure you log on a Cleveland 896 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 1: Browns dot com or wherever you get your podcast. Subscribe today, 897 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: Like us, give us a comment, rate us. 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