1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O day covering the Didy trial. Okay, 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: so let's go there. Let's talk about two things. One, 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: you said you're not sure that they really want to 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: get him. I'm looking at it right now, like I 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: think there's going to be a hung count on the RICO. 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: I think the possession of people is going to be proved. 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: Sex trafficking maybe, But every day I switch and go 8 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: back and forth. Every day I have questions as to 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: why the prosecutors do what they do. The witness on 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: the stand now, is Puffy's paying her lawyer bills? That 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: shit is ridiculous to me. I don't even find I 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to find anything credible in that. But 13 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: with all that being said, you've made comments about Puffy 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: needs to take the stand and tell people what it 15 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: really is, and I agreed with that. I actually said 16 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: it might be his only saving grace at certain points 17 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: where I thought he was really in trouble during this trial. 18 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: And what I want to ask you is you've said 19 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: kind of similar things, and so if he were to 20 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: take the stand first, do you think he'll take to 21 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: stand second? What's the truth that you think he could 22 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: tell the jury that would make them not convict him. 23 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I think he got great attorneys, 24 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: So I think he can hung up with his attorney 25 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 2: and say, look, I'll pick the stand, but by me 26 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: taking a stand, he could take a deer for five 27 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 2: or kam. I think he gotta be a great thing 28 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: for the Puffy to do five or team getting out 29 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 2: the way number one, to say the fact that it's 30 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: all about the kids, to say the fact that if 31 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 2: kids don't go through what they got to go through 32 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: and hear. And I think about one thing. If Puffy 33 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: didn't have any children and I saw Puffy somewhere, he'd 34 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: be a whole different story. Since the fact Puffy had kids. 35 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: I really don't want to see Puffy somewhere because I 36 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: don't want to do it. I probably would do to 37 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: him because I got too much love and respectful. 38 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: What could Puffy say on the stand that you know 39 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: is true about him? They could convince the jury that 40 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: the way he treated these women and the things that 41 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: he's been accused of is not criminal. What could he 42 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: tell them on the stand that would convince them regard to. 43 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 2: His criminal n if profect governments stand to what he 44 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 2: really been through, he would have those people in tears. 45 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: What's he really what could he say that would have 46 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: them in tears? Give me one thing? 47 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: Should a sexual appetite? What he's doing those other people 48 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: we've done to him? 49 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: Hurt people, hurt people, correct and puppetin. 50 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: We could one day and say, guess what I want 51 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: to piss on people. I want to piss on people 52 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: and let them let another man that's with my First 53 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 2: of all, we are proud black man, period. So you're 54 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: trying to tell me a proud black man, a lett 55 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: a white prostitute come all over or pee all over 56 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: or come all over his woman and then revert on 57 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: hisself or ruben on his own profect part to have 58 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: text with in life. 59 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: Shug, Is it possible? Is it possible the man that 60 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: you met had a sexual appetite that you just weren't 61 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: aware of, Because they do, say with cuck holding a 62 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: lot of those men sometimes the psychology behind it is 63 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: they want to see men having sex and it's a 64 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: it's a way to get around it. And in the nineties, 65 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: is it true that you could not be a hip 66 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: hop mogul in the nineties and I'm a black man 67 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: and also be gay. Is that true? 68 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: So let's let's talk the facts. Let's not talk about 69 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 2: what people say, what people tell you. 70 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: Tell me the facts because you were there and you 71 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 1: know better. 72 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a thing. I will be shocked if Puffy 73 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: woke up on his own one day and say, hey, 74 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: I want people to pee on me. I want to 75 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: take it. What. First of all, I'm not gonna me 76 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: and Puffy we not friends, but were not enemies. Is 77 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: he not my enemy? 78 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: So when you were around him, you never felt he 79 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: was gay? 80 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: First of all, definitely not because he gonna do he do. 81 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: I know he hung with the guys was gay, and 82 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: I didn't. I'm the only of those guys who parting 83 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: with Puffy. They can say what they want to say. 84 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: Ain't those guys a party with Puffy? They were partying 85 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: with Puffy and I wasn't one of them. But now 86 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: let's get to the point. The point of the matter 87 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: is this. You can't say Puffy's not a proud black man. 88 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: Puffy was cocky, was a proud black man. He's not 89 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: gonna let a slave worker or prostitute rub his come 90 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: all over him and do certain things. He didn't that 91 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: had come from Harlem, that had come from New York, 92 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 2: that came from the industry, are people who's involved in 93 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: sexual crime, of sexual activities. But what I'm trying to 94 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: say is it's not about putting Puffy down or putting 95 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: the next person down. The fix this shit. Any wanted 96 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 2: to fix this ship, get his man a deal where 97 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 2: you don't have to want to make him dying prison. 98 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,559 Speaker 1: Well, did he name names if he got on the stand, 99 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: would he name names if he were able to get 100 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: a lesser prison time to come forward and tell the 101 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: truth where he could really change the industry for better? 102 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: Is does he Is he going to name name or 103 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: is he going to Let's say, you know, when Jeffrey 104 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: Epstein went to jail, he ended up. 105 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: Gone absolutely gonna name names. He might be stupid sometimes, 106 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: but he's not dumb. He's not a dummy at all. 107 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 2: He went to college. 108 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's very smart. 109 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 2: That's not that's not I'm not I'm not gonna be 110 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: one of these people who try to kick somebody when 111 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: they're down or change history and make him look bad 112 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 2: like all the loop you always get nobody's trying to 113 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: make somebody look dumb. 114 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: We're not gonna do that. 115 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: Yes, deal with the facts. He's not a dummy. If 116 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: they give a puff to the opportunity, if you understand 117 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: and humanize himself, it'll be the best thing for the 118 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 2: culture of hip hop. It'll be one of the biggest 119 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 2: power moves for the United States. I know that can do. 120 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: They shouldn't let him get washed up. Now, Honestly, do 121 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: we learn do he deserve to get something? They canna 122 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: get something? 123 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: You're in prison, you know how it is? Could did 124 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: he handle it? 125 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: I think like this, I don't think then should give 126 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: him a lot of time, because let's let's be honest, right, 127 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: a man who's somebody and a man who come to 128 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: money and a man who has a name has it 129 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 2: harder than a regular person who did nobody come to prison. 130 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: If you take Tory Lane come to prison, look what 131 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: they try to do to him. That dude should not 132 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: be in prison, because a pracon shouldn't have to go 133 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: to prison and destroy their life and should get punished 134 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: and continued lived their life. So I don't think it's 135 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: fair at all. That's why I fought so hard and 136 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: I would have been anything in the world to make 137 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 2: sure Slip didn't go to prison, and I would do 138 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: it all over again because that's what we're goosed to do. 139 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: I did everything that I had to do to get 140 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: Tupac out of prison. That what we're supposed to do. 141 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: I'm standing firm that I feel that couldn't pussing in 142 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 2: prison when all that time it's like killing him. I 143 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 2: don't think person die for some of the crimes activity do. 144 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: You do you believe what he's doing is sex trafficking 145 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: because to me, a lot of men get escorts and 146 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: bring them across state lines and are abusive toward them 147 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: and make them have crazy freak offs and threesomes. A 148 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: lot of people that are famous in today's culture do that. 149 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: Like this is not just a diddy thing. 150 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: Well, I look at it like this, if Cassie were 151 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: doing all that stuff with Puppy and she was living 152 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: in a studio and she was going to fucking eating 153 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: that Denny's and McDonald's and getting seven eleven hot dogs 154 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: and wearing swap meet ten shoes and you know, cheap clothes, 155 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,239 Speaker 2: you know, shopping at every she had a forever twenty 156 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: one perse dollar tree. Yeah, oh man, out of I like, yeah, 157 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 2: look at her. She got a flipfoll like I'll be 158 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: having for a different reasons. She got a flipball and 159 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: you know she can't get it. You can. You can 160 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: see the knapper rooms of her hair, and you know 161 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: she got little pities like a boy steal right. But 162 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: now if she going and getting I ain't saying it's 163 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: a case of if she getting no jobs and change 164 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,239 Speaker 2: her kiddies like a motherfucker, changed their shoes and shopping 165 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: in from Louie to everything else, and the ziralis and 166 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: her family's benefiting Offso that's part of her job. Now 167 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: I wouldn't do that. But at the same time, I 168 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: ain't never did this. This This is a woman I'm 169 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: with and I love this bitch. This this is me. 170 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 2: She didn't have a she didn't have a job, she 171 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: didn't want for nothing, she won't catching the bus, and 172 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: she had a nice car. So we both As a man, 173 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: if you're a woman out there, I don't care if 174 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: you're a doctor, a lawyer, or whatever you want to 175 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 2: call yourself to be. And you got a man and 176 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: you're still working, you got the wrong one. So back 177 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: to this, when I'm basically saying, is this everybody getnifited. 178 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 2: Everybody signed the contract. They knew. It's not like Puffy 179 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 2: went to them and said, hey, guess what, I'm freaky. 180 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: So if you want to do this, do it. If 181 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: you don't, somebody else will do. 182 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: You believe that there is a dynamic of power, and 183 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,599 Speaker 1: there is a power imbalance, and that there was a 184 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: dynamic of not understanding fully how much damage that all 185 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: of this would do to them. That exists though, Sugar, well, 186 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: you know you got to. 187 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: Limber one thing. A lot of people be blind by 188 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: the fame, bind by the money, and blind by the drugs. 189 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: If anything, it's a it's a drug situation, because let's 190 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 2: be fair. You got this little white guy, I don't 191 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: know who he is, but he was the MW He 192 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: carrying drugs, cocaine, all kinds of drugs around from state 193 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: to state. He didn't get charged. You got crazy getting 194 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: guns and file a seral. No, it's filed a serandom 195 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: off of them if you gotta. If you public can 196 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: go to the public could went to the regular gun 197 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: store and say give me these guns, and they would 198 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 2: they let it buy them there the game is id 199 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 2: and got the stuff, but instead they got guns and 200 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: took the seral number off of them. There's no charges 201 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: of that. But more importantly, why is no charges for 202 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: the drugs? Because all the women, all the women, the 203 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: sex workers and everybody, the whole authorize all answered with 204 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: the team drugs and alcohol. 205 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: The one consistent thing in every single person's testimony that's 206 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: taking the stand is the drugs. 207 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 2: So why is that a drug case. 208 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: It should be a drug case. 209 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 2: It's not a drug case because there was a drug case. 210 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: There have been. All these people would have got convicted already. 211 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: Well, they're getting a lot of them are getting immunity 212 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: to take the stand because prostitution is also illegal. 213 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: But once again we're gonna start again. It's only illegal 214 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 2: to the poor people. It's not illegal to the rich people. 215 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: Well, it's illegal to the rich people. Now look at 216 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: how they're getting puffed. 217 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: No, they only getting puffed because puff to soft throws 218 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: one who. Okay, I'm gonna answer that question. First of all, 219 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 2: you get to the liquor company. They come from the 220 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: old school. The Kennedy started off as bootleggers. Most of 221 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 2: the people, the politicians and the presidents of bootleggers. Right, 222 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: So the alcohol business being around forever. These guys do 223 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 2: him are stolid and said, hey, we gonna let you 224 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: put up one thousand dollars. Apparently he didn't put no money, 225 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: but when he did put sharrock, he got sharrock everywhere 226 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 2: he got there. He danced, he talked, he did everything, and. 227 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: No one knew. 228 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: He didn't know that he tapped dance off the top. 229 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: You know, hey, hey, he's so black, he don't got 230 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: to put no black faceball. So he go up there 231 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: and tap dance and and say Mammy and daddy to 232 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: all of them. He probably this some things for a 233 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: little change we don't know about. But at the end 234 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 2: of the day, he did a incredible job. He did. 235 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 2: He did then he turned around, and then a horrible 236 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: job to come after him. And then they say, hey, 237 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: you live in the class house. You better not start. No, 238 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 2: why fight. The only mistake Puffy Mane was. I don't 239 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: care how many times he spent the night at those 240 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 2: white executive's house. I don't care how many times he 241 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: danced for him. 242 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: You can't file a lawsuit and call them racist. 243 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: But what you can't do, you can't think you're not 244 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 2: gonna get that black man call. You know, that black 245 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 2: man call is different. Michael Jordan got won all the grace, 246 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 2: got a black man. 247 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: Called, tell me what the black man call is? 248 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 2: Should The word that nobody got to say is that 249 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 2: nigga call. So if you Michael Jordan, you the best 250 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 2: basketball player in the world, Hey, nigga, you gambling? All 251 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: this happened? What we Brian got one stud Knight got 252 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of something. But I already they didn't. 253 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: They didn't worry about making the call on me because 254 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: I already I never gave a my mother fucking black 255 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: man past. You know, I always I stayed black. I 256 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 2: never said that was nothing but black. I was born black, 257 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 2: I'm ana die black. So when anyone thinks that they don't, 258 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: they don't get that black man called, they do. Mike 259 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 2: Tyson is one of my best friends in the world. 260 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 2: I love Mike Tyson. Tyson got a black man called, 261 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 2: this is the heavyweight champion of the world. 262 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: Got a black man called that's fucking crazy and just 263 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: the thing. 264 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 2: What you gotta understand. O. J. Simpson got a black 265 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 2: man called, how. 266 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: Do we fix that? 267 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: How do you fix that? 268 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: How do we fix that? In the industry? How do 269 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: we stop it. 270 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: Fix it. This is how you fix it. You start 271 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: off with sug Knight and Tuffy. I should be free. 272 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: There's no way that somebody trying to kill me with 273 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: guns and I'm in Prinson. I'm doing more time than 274 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: the dude who did a mass shooting. The man as 275 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: brothers who killed they paying for money, get better stuff 276 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: in prison than me, not only just me. Let's now 277 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: go to Puffy. Puffy is not getting a fair shake. Now, Okay, 278 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: we know he did a lot of things. But what's 279 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 2: the difference between Puffy than all the other whitest negatives? 280 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 2: Who's not even a witness, They're not a dependent. It's 281 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: like they don't exist. They gave the checks, they one 282 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: gave him the power. They didn't. One made him think 283 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: that he can constantly get away with it. But it's 284 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: two things you don't understand. If they can't take the 285 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: money from me, they take you for the money. 286 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: Do you think Puff will name them if he goes 287 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: under for everything do you think he will get He'll 288 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: be so pissed that he'll be like I was the 289 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: wrong one to fuck with. Like now it's really on. 290 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, you gotta remember one. 291 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: So he has that type of energy. 292 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: Huffy getting his way how you want to get his way. 293 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: I bet they getting Puffy pills. He might can't have drugs, 294 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: but I bet he's getting peeled to make him rest 295 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: and make him sleep, make him feel better. You think 296 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: the fact that Puffy they're not naming none of the 297 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: people who's involved with him at one time, everybody was 298 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 2: involved with it. Okay, I'm just gonna say it. I'm 299 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: gonna tell you, like this, what I like about Puffy. 300 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: Puffy loved his mother. What I love about Sugar Night. 301 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: I love my mother even though she passed away. 302 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: Right, I'm sorry. 303 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 2: I'm saying Puffy is not gonna treat Ken Porter the 304 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: way he's gonna treat that mixed girl, Cassie, or that 305 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: not black girl, the aiding girl, fifty cent baby Mama, 306 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: whatever his name is. Yeah, Jane, Yeah, he's not gonna 307 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: treat her like he's gonna treat a black girl. Okay. 308 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: A lot of people gets into it with their wife, 309 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 2: their girlfriends, with their lover, whatever you wanna call it, 310 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: with a person. I'm not saying it's not far affected. 311 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: Tuffy didn't what Ken asked. 312 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: He didn't He's a black woman, but he had respect 313 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: for her that he doesn't have for everybody else. 314 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 2: He had triful. He would respectful black women because it's 315 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 2: mama black woman. He only treated the women who wasn't 316 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 2: black that way. One of the things should be this. 317 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 2: They should walk in there right now and tell Pluffy nothing. 318 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: You gotta do something, you know what I mean, You 319 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 2: gotta get some time. You're gonna give the stuff you need. 320 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 2: We're gonna put you where you want to go. But 321 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 2: for you, for you, for you getting this deal, get 322 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 2: your ass on that stand. Not only do you need 323 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 2: the name names, you need to explain the situation that 324 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: the world. But we're gonna have the situation happen again. 325 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: Puffy's a smart man. He's very knowledgeable. You know where 326 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: the body is buried at dig those motherfuckers up. I'm 327 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 2: not saying going there and this on people to do 328 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: geminal people. I'm saying going there to fix the situation. 329 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: Don't you think he already tried fixing the situation with 330 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: his lawyers prior to trial, Like, go talk to this person, 331 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: go talk to that person. Let them know I got X, 332 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: Y and Z that I'm going to say, Like, don't 333 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: you think he already tried doing that. 334 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 2: No, I don't think he tried doing I think he 335 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 2: did a great job doing it because most of the 336 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 2: most of the people they want to know, they want 337 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,959 Speaker 2: to talk to, they're not there. And the ones they 338 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 2: do have to put him on a stand, they haven't 339 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: really did nothing to really hurt him. 340 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: Tell me who takes the stand for him? Who's going 341 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: to take the stand for him? Do you think you 342 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: know so crazy? 343 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: But an artists pony poison probably kept that food with me. 344 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: All dudes who party with him, all those dudes who 345 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 2: did this weird stuff with him, is never going to 346 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: take the stand. It's sad because all these guys who 347 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: got Buffy's party, the white Party. Yeah I'm not the 348 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 2: BP Awards. But now one person not all that stand 349 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: free Puffy. Now one of the people God understanding and said, Puffy, 350 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: keep your head up. Now one of people came out 351 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 2: to dance. 352 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: The one and so is that why you feel the 353 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: need right now? Is that why you feel the need 354 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: right now to come forward and really like speak up 355 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: for him? Because you've been disenfranchised in the same way 356 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: in which you understand the system, you under how understand 357 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: how it could potentially be suppressing certain people in a 358 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: specific way, and you feel like, in his moment of need, 359 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: he needs somebody to do that for him, and you're 360 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: the one brave enough to do it. Is that what's 361 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: going on a little bit? 362 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: Well, well, what was going on? Is this? You right? 363 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 2: I am brave enough to du number one? Number two 364 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: is this? Well, first and foremost we all mean of God. 365 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 2: If God can forgive, why should Night can't forgive? 366 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, but God is not in the courtroom and in 367 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: the law. It's not going to be discussed when they 368 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: have to go through the papers to convict him. 369 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: Listen, God is in the courtroom. God is everywhere. God 370 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 2: ain't some timing. I look at you know what, and 371 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say about myself, and I'm gonna get back 372 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: to that question. Most people looked at this situation that 373 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: I'm in prison and mister Orris didn't can happen to me? 374 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 2: In reality, I did enough time. It's time for me 375 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 2: ton home. But it did great things for me. Who 376 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: loved me, who care about me, Who trying to use me, 377 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 2: who got an angle on this, trying to I don't 378 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: care if it's who it is most people trying to 379 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: just get over on me. It's someone that really care 380 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: about it to your own kids might not really care, 381 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 2: and you can have something to take. There's nothing like 382 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 2: my father. Are weak in breathing and be the man 383 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be as a young man because of my 384 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 2: father that I love my kids. Right, But back to Puffy, right, 385 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 2: it's not right at the end of the day, Let's 386 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 2: go about right. If Puffy's gonna be on that stand, 387 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 2: if Puffy gonna be punished, what about the people he 388 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 2: made all the money for who tell him that type 389 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 2: of stuff? What about the women who got over and 390 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 2: act like they didn't get over. 391 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: They're all gonna get away and the system's gonna continue 392 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: on exactly as it is. That's why I'm pissed about 393 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: all of this, is that nothing's gonna change. 394 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 2: That's how it's gonna be. So what they want to 395 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 2: do is they want to to see I'm not saying 396 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: all puffies lawyers, but I'm quite some of a puffy 397 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 2: lawyers probably says the last thing you want to do, 398 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 2: don't get understand. But God said before it says, how 399 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 2: you gonna listen to Suld Knights, Suld Knight's in prison. 400 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 2: Well you in prison in your own home property. 401 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: Well, by the way, you're in prison, I'm sitting here 402 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: in my home. I think he should take the stand too. 403 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: Nobody could tell Puff better than Puff. Nobody. 404 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so Puffs should get up there and get on 405 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 2: that stand. But Puffy, if you're listening, I'm quite sure 406 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: you are. But at the end of the day, cut 407 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: the deal. First, get a situation where they don't whatever 408 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 2: you say on that fan you against you get on 409 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 2: that stand, Well, you get on that stand. Fix hip hop. 410 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 2: Fix the culture of our people. It's not abroad us 411 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 2: no more. We had our turn. It's about the younger generations. 412 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 2: The only way we don't have to do younger generations 413 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: about teaching by the mistakes we made, or they won't 414 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: be able to make the mistakes we made and they 415 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 2: will not allow the high up to take advantage of them. 416 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: Sure is the biggest mistake, not remaining the owners of 417 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: every idea and everything that you did possible and allowing 418 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: other people. Like Puff said, I'm not scared of the 419 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: white men I can see. I'm scared of the ones 420 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: I don't see. Like, is it not allowing those type 421 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: people that you see or don't see, not allowing them 422 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: to ever be involved in your business, your money, and 423 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: making sure that you always own everything that you create. 424 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: Is that the answer? 425 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: Well, all his own everything that created, nobody butting me. 426 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: I know. 427 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: But what do you want to tell the young kids? 428 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: What do the young kids need to know? 429 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 2: Well, I want to tell the young kids is this. 430 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: Know this, you always want to own your stuff. Don't 431 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 2: sell your soul. They can control of your money. Don't 432 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: trust lawyers. Lawyer's is the worst, the worst, the worst 433 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 2: or the worst. Lawyer's gonna lawyers do more cocaine and 434 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 2: drink more alcohol than anybody. You're gonna see you out. 435 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 2: They know a system bet than anyone because the lawyer 436 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 2: is just the guys who grew up not popular. They 437 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 2: want the cool kids. So once they're getting a situation 438 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: to be in the room with the cool kids and 439 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: they got time to help us, they gonna hurt us. 440 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: It's the same with all the owners of the labels. 441 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: I said it the other day. It's the same with 442 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: all the owners. There's all the talented people that get 443 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: together and then some nerdy white guy that went to 444 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: an Ivy League school that nobody ever cared about ends 445 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: up being the one who runs everybody, and he just 446 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: hopes he could get an invite to the party, right, 447 00:22:59,240 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: But a. 448 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 2: Lot of do in the industry, in the tement industry, 449 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 2: it's not guys who even went to college. They was 450 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 2: the losers who they was kept and got patted on 451 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,719 Speaker 2: the ass and did strange things for favors. Okay, how 452 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 2: many kids do bust and rhyme? Has? I have no 453 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 2: idea how many times you see busting Ryan with a 454 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:18,719 Speaker 2: bad bitch? You too? 455 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: Not money? I don't see him with. 456 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm not gonna steal on that. I'm not 457 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 2: gonna stay in that game. But you know why I'm 458 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 2: going with this? Yeah, have you seen any these guys? 459 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 2: It's too many names names, But if you look at 460 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: gangster rappers, who was gangst rappers in the eighties of 461 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 2: the nineties, don't they look real? 462 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: Why are not? 463 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 2: Why are none? 464 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: Why are none of puppies artists in the nineties coming forward? 465 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: Why don't we hear from Mary J. Blige, May Faith Evans. 466 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: Why aren't we hearing from any of the bad boy 467 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: artists in the nineties at all? Not even like an 468 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: opinion of the trial. Why are they all None of 469 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: them are in the documentaries, none of them are taking 470 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: the stand. None of them are even taking his side 471 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: or not taking his side. You can maybe look who 472 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: they follow or don't follow, but other than that, it's silent. 473 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: Why are the nineties so silent on him? That's a 474 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: big question. 475 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: I have the reason why they're so silently did they 476 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 2: are so scared? They are slaves. These people are slaves 477 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: to the point where they scared. These people. They're not 478 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: scared of the gun and the knife. They're not scared 479 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 2: the streets. They scared the people are in the suites. 480 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 2: So they're gonna do this, and they're gonna speak on puppy. 481 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 2: They're gonna mentioned it to them. They don't want to 482 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: be next. 483 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: I called Mace to come do fifties documentary. It was 484 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: you know, his name's attached to it, but it's Netflix. 485 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: And I told Mace, you know a lot of my 486 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: my generation of making the band is doing this documentary. 487 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: And I called him to come do it, and he 488 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,719 Speaker 1: basically told me in so many words through this conversation, 489 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: you're still in that slave mentality of having, like so now, 490 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: fifties owning the story of it all. You're just handing 491 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: over the story and everything that you experienced over to 492 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: another master, Like that's not the way. So if they 493 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: are operating like that, then why wouldn't I call them 494 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: and say, come over? Do is the response? You're operating 495 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: like that still? And I don't like, what is it 496 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: with fifty and Puff that is so deep? 497 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna put j like this. I don't really 498 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: know fifty, you know what I mean? And I think 499 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 2: I think fifty is real good at what he does. 500 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 2: I think performed his ass off as an artist. I 501 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 2: think he grabbed people's stories and he did a lot 502 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 2: of things. And fifty got the microphone, and you can't 503 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 2: beat the man with the microphone if you got If 504 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: I don't, I don't have a problem with fifty, But 505 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 2: I know if I can deal with fifty, I can. 506 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do it. You ain't gonna out talk fifty. 507 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 2: But I think with fifty of them, I think with 508 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: all the guys should do in the coach of and 509 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 2: hip hop and all that stuff, right, I think all 510 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: you guys should stop fright me among yourself. Why not 511 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 2: let the story be told the right way and done 512 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 2: the way it should be. 513 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: How what is the right way? 514 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 2: Just the right way? We gotta do it. It takes 515 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 2: a man like myself to be able to say, you 516 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 2: know what, Snoop, you might have did some things out 517 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 2: of life. I know how you like, you know what 518 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 2: I mean, But I tell you what, Let's do it 519 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 2: for the culture of hip hop. And that goes with anyone. 520 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 2: If if if prop from I was out right now 521 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 2: and I thought that me being shaking his hand is 522 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 2: going to save a lot of lives and help a 523 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 2: lot of people for the culture of hip hop, I 524 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: would do it because I don't think one person is 525 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 2: bigger than the culture of hip hop. So bressed and lucky, 526 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 2: be able to take care of our families and our 527 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 2: kids and the woman we love, and that's it. I'm 528 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 2: not gonna have a woman my woman. Is he working 529 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 2: to it? 530 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: Should Let me end us there, because I want to 531 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: say this to you. This is what makes you that 532 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: good godfather of hip hop, the one that you want 533 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: to go visit, that you don't feel weird about, the 534 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: one that can learn from the past, that can bridge 535 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: the gaps, that can take acknowledgment, take credit, understand learn, grow, 536 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: become a man of God, understand all the growth that 537 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: the position that you're in right now was there to 538 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: give you, and now your your soul thinking and thought 539 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: is all kind of encompassed by wanting to make the 540 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: system better for the people that come after us, which 541 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: is where I'm at with it as well when I 542 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: report on this trial. And that is the number one 543 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: reason why you were the first person that I wanted 544 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: to speak to on this podcast. It took me a 545 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: few guests to get to you, but that's why I 546 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: really love your voice. 547 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 2: Should no, well the good time. I'm glad you got 548 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 2: m but you got into one thing. He was talking 549 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 2: to the wrong people. So everybody, everybody looking for something 550 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 2: and trying to bring they people in it for something. 551 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 2: Who those people don't have nothing to do with nothing. 552 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 2: But once again it's like this, I mean, you know, 553 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 2: I think you're incredible and I had studio time for you, 554 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 2: I have some records for you. Not because I'm trying 555 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 2: to compete with Puffy or anybody else. One person I 556 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 2: compete with is me, But I knew your energy is great. 557 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 2: I know you're a wonderful woman. I know you're a 558 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 2: beautiful woman, and your talent speak for itself. I had 559 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: the studio time set for you, I had writers, I 560 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: had everybody, and anybody said, oh man, she incredible. I said, 561 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: I can tell. I said, I could tell her when 562 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 2: she talks, she gonna kill it in the studio. And 563 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to put you on depth ro I 564 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: wann't trying to do no label. I just want to 565 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: give you some love and show how great you are. 566 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 2: Let the world know you incredible. Let's go back to 567 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 2: the real city stuff. 568 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: Right Exactly what I want you to do is I 569 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: want you to end it on something that you feel 570 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: as powerful as the most powerful mess that you can 571 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: relate to the people right now. I want you to 572 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: end it for us. 573 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 2: That's what I would like to say. First of all, 574 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 2: I'm gonna take accountability of a lot of things I 575 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 2: did wrong in the industry, all the streets, our society 576 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: because no one taught me. I have to learn on 577 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 2: my own. And I think it's very important that we 578 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 2: always give when they figures respect women, love women, and 579 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,719 Speaker 2: treat women how they both speak as queen. And if 580 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 2: you're a man out there, don't live off the woman. 581 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 2: Get killed in woman. But the most important thing what 582 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 2: I would like for you is you so talented, You're 583 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 2: so smart, and I got real, real love for you. 584 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: I think you should get the people in the industry, 585 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 2: and I have a lot of stuffs already done. Actually 586 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 2: a person who has a real, real talented person, you 587 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,239 Speaker 2: speak to her lady at some point. Okay, we need 588 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 2: to have our own series. We need to have this 589 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 2: stuff that really happened in the industry that we know firsthand. 590 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 2: Like I know the most society being about what happened 591 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 2: at Ruthless and the reason you got Some people say, oh, 592 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 2: this happened you wasn't there our death all bad boy 593 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 2: or fifty cent IRV Gotti. Come on, nobody gives rg 594 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: got a died And I'm not out there, but I 595 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 2: feel gating salute or the right way and giving cigars 596 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: the right way. 597 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: Had j Rhoda was always so nice to me and 598 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: he never hit on me. 599 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, he deserved to go out the right way with 600 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 2: his cigars. But I think it's so important that we 601 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 2: are the people who really started hip hop, who really 602 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 2: made a difference for hip hop, all of us. There's 603 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 2: not one person more important than others, but we should 604 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 2: be the we should be the one telling these stories, 605 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: putting on these shows, and that it be if not 606 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 2: only is it entertaining, also teaching moments. Yeah, that's we 607 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 2: should be doing enough enough, And. 608 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: I completely agree with it, and I think the only 609 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: I think, the only reason that it wouldn't end up 610 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: ever happening is if the people who run the system 611 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: decide that that's not who they want to tell the story. 612 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: And that's one thing I want to always remind the 613 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: audience of when they listen to any episode, there's always 614 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: just like you said today, it's such a powerful, uh 615 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: potential alleged quote that did he said, I know the 616 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: people that I could see, I'm worried about the ones 617 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: I can't see. And the ones that you can't see 618 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: are the ones that make for very big decisions, and 619 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: they decide things so and even when you think you know, 620 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: and you think you have some control, and you think 621 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: you're running shit, you'll learn quickly that you're not. If 622 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: you slip up. 623 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 2: But if we stick together. But once again, if we 624 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 2: don't have to love each other, we should be able 625 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 2: to accept each other. And once we learn how to 626 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 2: do that, once we except each other, Puffy wouldn't be 627 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 2: getting life in prison. That saying he should. He shouldn't, 628 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 2: but he shouldn't be getting in life. He should's no 629 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,719 Speaker 2: way he did it. I feel like this Puffy did 630 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 2: more good than bad. I know I did more good 631 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 2: than bad. I know you did way more good than bad. 632 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 2: You didn't deserve how they came there too. 633 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: I haven't done any bad, but I'm starting to realize 634 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: I could have been a little more freaky than I am. 635 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 2: No. Look, for first of all, what she was getting 636 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 2: was a vagina they wanted. They didn't want the vagina, 637 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 2: They really wanted something else. It's not your fault. But 638 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 2: that's the crazy thing about it. But the thing is 639 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 2: back to back to the facts, right. I think the 640 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 2: most important thing we need to do for this this 641 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 2: point on, everybody should just ship their egos and leave 642 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 2: that shit at home. I think the people should make 643 00:32:54,280 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: sure that Buffy kill on that stan a fair shake. Yeah, 644 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 2: I think that people should learn from that. I think 645 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 2: they the people who did wrong in the industry, who's 646 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 2: always hide behind the doors, they should be put on 647 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 2: the front page to be exposed. I think for all 648 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 2: us out there who got so much more to give, 649 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 2: they help the people. Let's do it. Let's stop talking 650 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 2: about each other. That don't take me. There's nothing to 651 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 2: say something good about somebody. 652 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: Yeah right, there's plenty of people I don't like, and 653 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: I could tell you something great. 654 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 2: About them, right and as a man, right, as a man, 655 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 2: don't be a bitch. If you can't say nothing to 656 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 2: a man's face, don't say at all. And if that 657 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 2: man is in if that man is dead, passed away, 658 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 2: you don't got to say nothing bad about it. He's 659 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 2: outdy dead, he's in heaven. If that man in prison, 660 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 2: you don't got to try and talk about him all 661 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 2: of a sudden you have a shug nice story. Because 662 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 2: I'm in prison. You can't walk up to me and 663 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 2: explain to me what you want to say to me 664 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 2: face face. Don't talk about it, being about it. Y'll 665 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 2: gotta go. And you on a podcast and being your feelings, 666 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,439 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So all that is enough said. 667 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 2: At the end of the day, we need to be done. 668 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 2: They need to make sure Puffy gets on the stand. 669 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: I agree. 670 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 2: At the end of the day, we need a union. 671 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 2: We need a union right now for hip hop. All 672 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 2: these people in hip hop, you know it hurts me 673 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 2: to see now. I love the Isaac Brothers. I love 674 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 2: all all those cool guys right me too. 675 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: Brothers are my favorite. You know, Footsteps in the Dark 676 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite songs in the world. 677 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 2: Ah cool, that's my favorite. I gotta go. You gotta 678 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 2: go at the end of the day and enjoy your day, 679 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 2: have a blessed day, and remember one thing. Because I'm 680 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 2: in prison that I don't mean I'm not busy and 681 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 2: have things to do. I'm sure not sign out. 682 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: Love you, sug right, thank you for listening. That is 683 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: my favorite human sug Our Heart Radio presented by Amy 684 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: and TJ. We are covering the trial. Thank y'all for listening.